Pokemon TCG/O General: Being run off the board by S&M news edition

Sure can't wait to go home and play more PTCGO.

And by play I mean waiting for someone to accept my trades for two scizor-ex that aren't absolutely trying to jew me.

Friggin need two more cards for my deck and every person trading scizors is just ridiculously overpricing it.
Tired of my greninja deck and greninja v greninja matches are just 30 minute shitfests.

ToTT: Lusamine, obviously. That's like saying do i want to bang my mates hot young Mom or his frumpy old Aunt.

>>28311157
what are you willing to pay? RA or FA?

>>28311308
I'm trading for regular art.
Been offering 2 packs per regular art which I got one for but that was around two days ago.

For some reason people stopped trading scizor-ex now and are only trading m scizor-ex or trying to trade scizor-ex for greninja breaks and shit.

Scizor is the kind of card that isn't going to have a ton of staying power anyway. It's biggest boon is Gardevoir looking strong after this upcoming set. We'll see if that makes a big difference going forward, but I think it's going to get outclassed and underpowered by the time S&M comes out.

>>28311797
SM1 doesnt come out for another 5 months anon.

Thats AL LEAST 5 months where M-Siczor will be tier 1.

>>28311433
How are we supposed to get scizor-ex's now?

I got 1 Scizor-ex and 3 M scizor-ex's. need 2 ex's.
Giving 4 SS for a scizor-ex. Still no trades :(

>>28312848
You can use a Trading Compnany like Phantom Knight if you are that desperate.

You can get 2 of them for 6 SS packs or 4 RS packs.

>>28312848
I don't think Steam Siege packs are quite the pull they were a few weeks ago. If you don't have the goods from the packs for trade, you aren't going to get much notice.

At least, that's been my experience. Gotten a lot of value trades off of lucky Volcanion pulls.

>>28311282
YOU TAKE THAT BACK. WICKE IS GODTIER. Literally will top Skyla in terms of full art potential. HNNNNNNNNNG

>>28310997
Anyone know why my client keeps closing at 98% loaded? Is the server offline?

>>28313662
Obesity enthusiasts NOT WELCOME

>>28313985
Pedo scum detected. GET OUT

>>28311797
I've found the special energy discard is pretty helpful for M Mewtwo, too. Combined with the special energy discard hammer, I've stopped enough set ups.

>>28312848
4 SS for FA? Just go to a trading company. If you're offering 4 SS for RA, I have one I can trade for that.

>save coins for 10 packs of Roaring Skies for that Shaymin Lottery
>get 2 (TWO) SR VS Seekers

It's better to get total garbage, I think.

>>28311797
>Scizor is the kind of card that isn't going to have a ton of staying power anyway.


You win easily against Mega Mewtwo, Mega Gardevoir, Mega Rayquaza, Darkrai-Giratina, Xerneas BREAK, Greninja BREAK, Yanmega BREAK, waterbox, darkbox

There are only two decks that can beat you and those ar Volcanion-EX - Baby and Flareon-EX - Camerumpt - Baby Volcanion.


With what we´ve seen from Generations so far it wont change the meta at all so Scizor will be the best deck at least till the first set with GXs drop, and thats 5 months from now.

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Just pulled this. How'd I do?

Is it any good?

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Is this just fine right now? This worked earlier with 1 shit pack+FA volc for the SR FA volc.

Do some people just want the non-SR version more?

>>28315455
I can get you 3SS and 1 BreakThrough.
Deal?

Anyone want to trade manectrics fa and m manectrics sr? Just send me a fair offer, I'm not looking specific shit. d_soldier is the user

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How can this card be stopped in Standard? It starts OHKOing every single Pokemon very early in the game. As the attack only costs two energy, it's also nigh-impossible to interrupt with energy removal.

>>28317063
It gets OHKO'd by Despair Ray Mega Gardevoir and Giratina's Renegade Pulse blocks it completely, among other things. It's good, but not completely invincible.

>>28317063
Wait for Mew-EX to get reprinted along with Lunala and to a lesser extent Evolutions baby Mewtwo.

>>28317063
M. Gard 1HKOs it with 2 energy.
Giratina is immune to him.
Scizor discards shrine of memories, removes special and normal energy and is resistant to psychic.
Lugia EX. and Yveltal EX with FFB win against him if you can discard the stadium and they attack first.
M Ray sets up faster and start 1HKO everything in his deck.
Greninja BREAK with max potions wins against it if they can deny the Garbodor.

Anything else pretty much loses against it.

Stadium control is key in the matchup, having things like delinquent and parallel city to win the stadium battle is important.

>>28317545
>Stadium control is key in the matchup, having things like delinquent and parallel city to win the stadium battle is important.
How does this help? They can use Damage Change the moment they play the Shrine, and you can only remove it after the damage is already done.

>>28317712
Because the deck uses 2 shrines and once you discard the 2 they cant damage change anymore.

>>28317063
by knocking it out. What are you even asking.

>>28317712
They're more than likely not going to get perfect shrines, they often can be forced to discard one or not draw into one. Giratina puts Mewtwo in a catch 22 where he has to play Ranger to drop a shrine but can't hit Tina or Lysandre anything, or he can Lysandre or Hex but not damage change.

>>28317777
Good Mewtwo decks run 3 at minimum.

>>28317810
How do you knock out something with 210 HP that moves its damage to your Pokemon every turn, particularly when they can OHKO all of your Pokemon?

>>28317820
If they run 3 they dont run parallel city.
If they dont run parallel city they instalose to M Ray.

Good mewtwo decks run 2 shrines and 1 parallel city.


Sure, they can run 3-1 but they are begging to brick by doing that.

>>28317888
hit it for weakness if you're looking to OHKO. Or move a guy into active with damage already on him. It's damage change, not damage removal.

>>28317063
what deck do you play?

>>28317896
Mewtwo is not good in this meta without damage change and should never run less than 3. Ray is massively overrated and often loses to any stadium counter and Garb versus any competent deck. Ray only ever wins consistently if you only play Sky Field and aren't playing RR or your setup is shit.

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>>28318050
I'm currently running an experimental deck revolving around Snorlax (Flashfire 80/Generations 58) and All-Night Battle. The exact setup is shifting heavily as I'm improving the build, but in general it hits for 120 or 130 every turn and heals faster than people deal damage to it. The only way to kill it is to deal 170 damage for a OHKO (Fighting Fury Belt), at which point the next Snorlax switches in. It seems to have a good win rate in versus and TCGO tournament mode despite its suboptimal build, but it has a roughly 0% win rate against M Mewtwo decks. (Part of the problem is that Snorlax's high energy requirement makes it a guaranteed OHKO from M Mewto EX's Psychic Infinity no matter the circumstances.)

>>28319211
>the problem is Snorlax's high energy requirement
there you go. Well that and, this is a pretty terrible deck. I don't mean to shit on your efforts but there's a reason Snorlax decks are untiered.
If you're gonna push on with the idea, you need Lysandre to pull up an awkward guy from the bench. No stadium control except (only) two of your own. Delinquent even would help. You absolutely need three more Vs Seeker and surely better draw support than just Tierno.
Some kind of Plan B would help since Snorlax is so slow to build up energies. My first thought is that Lugia EX can use all the same things you use here, attack for a single attachment, punish things that stack energy, and give you a little more stadium control. Or regular Lugia & Break could be a thing. You're gonna need Shaymin or even Octillery but I assume you don't have them in because you don't have them.

This right now is just, not very good.

Any fun memedecks?

I remember a empolion/volcanion/reshiram deck that some anos post here.

Are there cards with more than 240HP?

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>>28319591
go nuts

What is a good theme deck for electric dailies? I'm 4 games in and nowhere close to finishing either of them.

What's the best theme deck on the market for grinding out ladder right now?

>>28319211
You cant play such a piece of shit and expect to beat tiered decks.

>>28317888
M Ray knocks it out with only 3 energy and 7 benched mons. M Gardevoir knocks it out with just two energy.

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All my non-thematic decks just dissapeared for no reason when I logged in. Is this normal?

>>28319625
Wailord ex is the only one that's Legal with 250 HP

>>28320277
Any of the Basic Blue/Green/Red XY especially Blue. It's crazy how good those 3 decks are.

>>28320605
Yeah I've been grinding out easy wins with Basic Green, so far it's been the fastest, most reliable deck to use. I was just wondering if any of the ones at the store were considerably better, I heard good things about Dark Hammer but it seems I missed out on it.

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>>28319591
>>28319591

here's my meme

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>>28320661
based on Kyurem Deoxys.

>>28320659
The store decks lack a lot of draw power and utility that the basic decks have. Dark hammer was a minor exception to the normal decks you could purchase, but it was still way too easy to run a dead hand.

>>28317063
greninja gg no re ;)

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>>28317063

>go around it with lysandre/escape rope
>stop damage change with a stadium like Faded town
>one hit ko it

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>>28320661
And here's another deck. Use Cobalion for late game because lucario are squishy.

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Have you prayed to the GarboGod today?

>>28320547
shitty devs. just go to the edit screen for one and straight save it (no need to actually edit) and they'll all return to the selection screen.

Hex Maniac and Delinquent full arts when?

>>28321721
Only when I pray to nightmare and distortion world gods

Do uncommon chest have any trade value?

>>28322508
Never. Literally.

>>28322653
I assume dark draconic trash bags doesn't bother throwing out Garbodor against Mega decks, so besides lower tier stuff like Volcanion and Greninja, Garbotoxin isn't that bad

>>28322346
Thank you. For a moment I thoguht I would have to start over.

>>28322741
nah that's next weeks bug

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Just pulled one of these, not sure how to use it effectively, but its pretty neat.

>>28323316
>not sure how to use it effectively
There's nothing to it. You just include one in every deck in case someone tries to meme on you with Regice, Vileplume, Greninja, Glaceon EX, Jolteon EX, or (if you're not playing a Mega deck) Giratina EX. And in Expanded it shuts down Seismitoad EX and Trevenant.

>>28323361
>Trevenant

huh?

>>28323398
My bad, not Trevenant. Or Vileplume, while I'm thinking about it. I'm lumping Ranger in with Maniac. But everything else I listed is stopped though.

>>28323361
For the sake of things it also resets negative effects if you happen to be using any. Like flipping tails on Yveltal's Darkness Blade or Magearna's Soul Blaster damage reduction.

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does anyone just collect pokemon cards? or does everyone battle?

>>28323893
Both. I play competitively but also I've been collecting every Mew in the TCG for the last year.

so now the hype has calmed down, what's a Jolteon really worth? I'd normally just check the trades but the offers are all over the place.

I have two Generations packs and I'm tempted to open them and gamble. It's the only card I want in the whole set..

What's your opinion on darkrai and/or Zoroark Break in the current rotation?

I'm thinking about making a deck but I'm not sure how competitive it would be.

>>28324093
Darkrai EX works great with Giratina EX and Garbodor to form a powerful deck that deal big numbers, really quickly, by abusing Fighting Fury Belt and Max Elixir.

Zoroark BREAK is a good tech in Yveltal/Zoroark decks because it can copy a lot of good attacks, like Chaos Wheel, Psychic Infinity, and so forth.

>>28324093

make yveltal/zoroark/umbreon

it's more fun

>>28324014
Hype didn't really calm down much.

>>28324093
Darkrai EX has two variants that are both really good(I prefer the sleep variant, but the meta shift looks like megas are resurging, so Giratina is probably better). Zoroark itself is good, but the break's only real reason for being relevant was its increased HP so it didn't get one-shot by 90-110 attackers, you're better off using it without the break for the consistency, but it's not really bad at all.

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>>28324014

I've seen people using it expanded with mega ray and raindbow force xerneas. lol

>>28324154
well its not the 36 RS it once was. Somewhere between 4 and 7 seems about right?

>>28324185
That is an abysmal RR deck, even for expanded. Holy shit please tell me you beat it.

>>28324348
;-;

No. I couldn't draw and got donked. It was embarrassing loss. The opponent was cocky too.

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>>28322689
Why though? Teammates got FA print, why Delinquent and Hex Maniac definitely won't?

>>28325076
Anon's fucking with you. Plenty of supporters get full arts after an initial regular art print. Although it's unlikely now that we're headed into next generation.

Is this correctly worded?

You may discard a {f} energy attached to Charmeleon. If you do, this attack deals 40 damage plus 30 more.

>>28325363
{f} is a fire energy

>>28325282
Skyla got a FA in breakpoint...

I think its quite possible we will see a FA Hex Maniac given the fact that its in almost every deck.

Doubt we will see delinquent tho.

>>28325363
yes it is.

>>28325407
Ok, thanks. Seems kinda clunky, but oh well.

>>28325405
Skyla is a good example. Sycamore is another good example; we had to wait two whole years but we did get a full art Sycamore.

I don't think TPCi really cares about usability as a factor for whether or not to reprint a card, either as a regular or full art. But I would've never seen a second full art Skyla print in gen 6, so really anything is possible.

I certainly would buy it.

>>28325363
It should be something like this:

>You may discard a {f} energy attached to this Pokemon. If you do, this attack deals 30 more damage.

>>28325523
Ok, thanks. That seems waaaay more streamlined.

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>>28325551

Is Fighting type dead with new standard?
Almost all of my deck is from Furious Fists.

>>28325826
zygarde

>>28325826
carbink is fun but that's kind of it

>>28325826

You can always try Primal Groudon with Carbink BREAK if that fancies you

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hours of amusement

>>28325868
Do you mean Zygarde EX?
Basic Zygardes seem alright but not amazing.

>>28326224
>>28326099
Yeah I've got Carbink BREAK and the Safeguard Carbink which I guess are good against people with lots of EX cards.
Up until the update I was having fun wrecking shop with my Barrage Medicham, but without Machamps and Muscle Band I think that deck is dead.

>>28326930

>Without Machamps

FYI Generations has the FFI Machamp reprint and it is legal for 2016-2017 Standard, but not having Korrina to fish out Machamp + Rare Candy (or Compressor if you go for the Maxie's route) makes getting Machamp out a lot less reliable

>>28326972
Oh that's good to know. Yeah I forgot about Korrina. That was one of the few great cards that I had 4 of. It makes me sad.

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I'm somewhat new to the game and looking for some feedback of my deck!

Took a while to make it actually win a couple games. I'm currently on a 8 win streak with this set.

Any tips in general? (Only thing missing in the image are water energies, I have 17)

>>28327437
ew

>>28317063

Imagine how fucked everyone will be when lunala is released.

>>28319211
I much prefer the Snorlax + Hypno deck. It does play with coin flips, and since the rotation that's not too great, but the gimmick seems better than just getting off 120 damage for 4 energy.

>>28327437
I'm not sure what the focus of your deck is. If it's Gyarados EX/M Gyarados EX, add more of him in favour of fewer pokemon variety. Keep Manaphy, and Hoopa if that's the case. Get an Octillery or two, preferably.
If it's the other Gyarados, I can't say I can get behind that in any way. Relying on a hard-hitter that you only have 1 of isn't a very good idea. I feel like you need a feeder for that guy, somebody to waste time on the field while you stack the bench, but it's so easily countered that it probably isn't even worth the effort.

Add in another dive ball, 2 more VS seeker, make sure you only have a spirit link for each Mega you have. As far as I'm aware, the double colourless doesn't benefit either Gyarados, so I don't see its purpose. Probably don't even need Professor's Letter with 17 energy. Might benefit from a single Skylar.
I've been playing for maybe two weeks now, so this could be garbage information, but I did run a very similar deck when I first started, and it was fairly successful but not good. I just learned that it's better to focus on one particular card, and support it as much as I can.

I have a very gimmicky, very stupid deck in mind that I really want to play for some dumb fun. I just need some suggestions. It's focused around things like Bursting Balloon and damage reflection stuff. Chesnaught deals 30 damage when it's hit, with bursting balloon it deals 90. Sigilyph, for one colourless, deals 5, with BB that's 110.
What else has similar effects? Obviously I'd have to recover the balloon with shit like super rods and Eco Arm, and search for them to keep a good supply. I'm just sick of running EX cards and getting the highest damage out fast, it's pretty boring.

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Really excited to open my first irl boosters + this elite box thingy.

>>28329008
Neat, make sure to post all your good pulls, dude.

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>>28329144
Results for 8x steam siege, I really wanted break or EX but no luck. Got all these holos instead, no idea how rare or valuable these are. Gonna open 4 breakpoints now.

>>28329303
Reverse holos look so nice in person, but so ass online.

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>>28329303
Got this from last breakpoint pack. Whew, at least I got one rare. Was kinda disappointing first irl openings tho, I expected a bit more.

>>28329465
It's always a gamble. I tend to avoid singles entirely because my worst luck comes from them, my best luck comes from the boxes with the huge card or the pin.

>>28329465
Get some Generations. It's pretty easy to pull EX and FA from those.

I haven't spent any gold since I started playing and I'm now sitting at around 2k. Should I save gold for something or should I just blow it all on packs?

>>28327437
>>28328856
this is all good advice. you could also lose the Nurses since rough seas.

>>28329303

Yeah packs are very Hit and Miss.

My fates collide only had Omanyte Break and an Ex I can't remember.

My Steam siege I pulled Magearna EX, FA Sycamore and Yvetal Break.

That being said I bought 5 Breakpoints earlier today and pulled Luxray BREAK, Greninja BREAK and FA Darkrai EX.

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>>28310997
Here you faggots go, answering 50% of the posts in any given thread in a single fucking image.

This shit better be in the next thread's OP.

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Hey can someone tell me the price of this Cobalion?
Also whats the Price on Promo Hoopa-EX highest i've seen it for is 3 steam siege packs.
Oh does anyone know the price for Full Art Giovanni's scheme

>>28333252
Sorry im such a nigger for asking but these are so wierd i can't guess / find the correct price

>>28333189

If it wasn't filled with big obnoxious text and some incorrect information I might include it on the OP.

>>28333328
What do you think is incorrect?

>>28333338

It perpetuates the bundle meme, which is particularly what new players shouldn't care about. Why the fuck would they care about some alternate art froakie when they have bigger fish to fry? It then says you'll likely never be able to get them ever again which has proven false, since bundles do repeat. It may or may not be misleading to new players when it talks about the value of the cards in the bundle. They have no value since bundle obtained cards are trade locked, and it should be stated that competitively most of them have no value as well. Gems shouldn't even be mentioned. You might encourage new players to buy and use that garbage. Like I said early, most new players should not care about this stuff because it's mostly a luxury.

Then saying the trainer challenge should be avoided isn't right. It's something you can do with no concentration and get free packs. There's no reason not to do it. If you get a little lucky you'll even be on the fast-track to a deck after it. I got 2 Ho-Oh EXs back when I did it and created a makeshift toolbox deck back when I started. I see no reason why it shouldn't be done. The only possible argument is the idea that your time is better spent on ladder, but that definitely isn't the case after you've gotten 5-6 of the mystery boxes off of it.

>>28323316
I pulled that same FA Foil Ranger from a SS not six days ago, it looks so awesome in person

>>28333338
I'd suggest people do grind the trainer challenge to complete the basic decks, and also to get free packs for little effort, on top of coins. It's boring as fuck, but why wouldn't you do it?
Also, players should do the tutorial for a bunch of coins, and the reward at the end (a pack and an EX, I think). Also, when I started recently, I bought a couple of theme decks for the trainers, and even went on to win 3 tournaments with Storm Rider, one of those tournaments I only fought XY Basic Blue. Although I think Basic Blue is really fucking good, I don't think it really matters if you're playing like a bit of an amateur. It's worth taking some time out to learn your deck, and good plays within that deck.

>>28333612
>Why the fuck would they care about some alternate art froakie when they have bigger fish to fry?
It's an example of something desirable in a bundle. Do you think new players shouldn't care about Jirachi or Regirock, either?
There's absolutely no need to buy every bundle, and nothing in the image suggests that. Saving tokens in case a worthwhile bundle shows up, however, is still extremely important. What happens if Jirachi repeats for the first time and you just spent all your tokens on packs?

>It then says you'll likely never be able to get them ever again which has proven false, since bundles do repeats
Repeats are few and far between. An overwhelming majority of bundles haven't been and probably won't ever be repeated.

>Then saying the trainer challenge should be avoided isn't right. It's something you can do with no concentration and get free packs.
Which doesn't matter. Look at any post showing off a box opening; opening even 50 random packs will not yield you anything viable, expensive, or worthwhile. You will NOT be on any fast-track off random opening unless the stars align and you magically pull 3-3 Mega lines, which you won't. Realistically, the Trainer Challenge won't get you more than 4-5 out of the 60 cards needed in your deck, all for hours of work, mindless or not. Your anecdote changes nothing.

>>28333756
>Do you think new players shouldn't care about Jirachi or Regirock, either?

Probably not. Regirock hasn't seen play in years and Jirachi is niche tech card.

>Repeats are few and far between.

I haven't seen a new bundle, aside from the one's on SS's release, in more than a month. Repeats happen more than not.

>opening even 50 random packs will not yield you anything viable, expensive, or worthwhile

This is actually just false. It will. The chances of it not is incredibly tiny.

>Realistically, the Trainer Challenge won't get you more than 4-5 out of the 60 cards needed in your deck

Once again, simply not true. You'll get a ton of trainers and a couple of EXs that you can use.

>Your anecdote changes nothing

You matter of fact stating doesn't change anything either, I'm afraid.

>>28326545
Deck list pls

>finished ladder rewards almost a week ago
>itching for the newest rewards so I can fulfill muh grinding reward points

Every friggin time, these kind of things get me.

Even if the rewards were shit like last time. Only thing I think was worth it was the Victinis but Iris FA was mad cute.

Whatcha think they'll be giving this time around?

>>28333901
>I haven't seen a new bundle, aside from the one's on SS's release, in more than a month. Repeats happen more than not.
Not counting SS cards, I see 22 bundles that haven't ever been repeated, vs 4 that have (Xerneas, Yveltal, Blacksmith/Torch, Ditto). Jirachi was given out via Barnes and Noble, and Sableye was a tournament prize a few months back, bringing the total to 22 vs 6. This is off Standard alone, by the way. Did I forget any?

>Once again, simply not true. You'll get a ton of trainers and a couple of EXs that you can use.
There's no easy way to test this, but we CAN see what you're expected to pull from packs off what people dump in these threads. For example, >>28329303 and >>28329465, where 10 packs yielded NOTHING competitively usable, and only a single copy of any of the rares. We see people post box pulls here all the time, and out of 36 packs they still get nothing.

And remember, these are people posting pulls from lots of the SAME pack. Trainer Challenge packs are random, so your chances of getting a playset of a card or line go even lower.

Do you want me to dig through the archives to find physical proof of the grand nothing you get from packs?

>You matter of fact stating doesn't change anything either, I'm afraid.
If neither of us are changing anything, then that means my original point goes unchanged. I think you worded your quip wrong.

>>28333901
Not the person you're arguing with, but

Jirachi is not a niche card, it sees plenty of competitive use, and will be especially useful in DCE/DDE: the format.

And 95% of EX Pokemon are worthless. Another 50% of Trainer cards are worthless. In any given set there are maybe ten cards or so that are actually usable and desirable, not counting aesthetics. These cards are easily traded for, one pack at a time.

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>>28334000
be warned I spent all of three minutes deciding what should go in this meme. It's fun. You can see how it works.

>>28334144

>Did I forget any?

I'll take your word for it. I don't pay that much attention to the bundles, since the vast majority of them are worthless.

>There's no easy way to test this

There sure is. Open up 50 packs online and see what you get. There will be some good stuff in there.

>For example

If you're not taking my anecdote, I'm not taking yours.

>Trainer Challenge packs are random, so your chances of getting a playset of a card or line go even lower.

This is arguably a good thing. When you open 50 of the same pack often gives you more than 4 locked versions of the same card. You don't need to complete a playset here. You're looking to cut down on the amount of shit you need to trade for in order to complete a deck.

>Do you want me to dig through the archives to find physical proof of the grand nothing you get from packs?

I still have my Roaring Skies pulls recorded from when that set came out. It's more anecdotal shit, but as you can see it was hardly worthless.

>I think you worded your quip wrong.

I meant it doesn't change the truth.

>>28334156

Jirachi is the definition of a niche card. It's a 1-of in a couple of decks.

When you talk about EX cards, you need to clarify what exactly you mean by worthless. Competitively? Absolutely, 95% are useless. Casually? It's more like 50%. Alakazam is useless by the first classification, but certainly not by the second. It can certainly wrack up tournament wins on PTCGO, and shouldn't be considered a useless card.

And the less you need to trade for, the better. That's packs saved or invested elsewhere. This shit is free.

>>28333189
sections 3&4 are solid. Sections 1&2 are subjective as fuck and the fact that people are already arguing the toss was predictable enough that you should have known not to bother making them.

>>28334421
>And the less you need to trade for, the better. That's packs saved or invested elsewhere. This shit is free.

If it takes 50 packs to pull one copy of Alakazam EX, how are you saving packs when you could've just traded one pack for it?

>>28334467

If I hand you 50 packs (that you cannot trade) and you open one alakazam, that is a free alakazam. You're saving one pack.

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>>28334421
>I still have my Roaring Skies pulls recorded from when that set came out. It's more anecdotal shit, but as you can see it was hardly worthless.

Whoops, forgot the image.

These were 5 card packs.

Can I ask how many people here actually play competitively? And by that I mean in large events. I don't think the TCGO really has any legitimate competitive scene, does it? I wouldn't really consider the tournaments a competitive scene, but I could understand if others considered it so.

>>28334567
I asked someone in line while buying some dice for another event I was going to (it looked like yugioh was releasing tins of a new set the same day) and it seems the pokemon company doesn't treat the venues right.

Issues with professors, prizes, and just general lack of support. They seemed like their is some interest within card game players.

>>28334567
There's a reason nobody takes tier lists and shit here seriously.

>>28334421
Anecdotes stop being anecdotes when it happens consistently. There are literally dozens of box opening dumps or code deliveries that simulate exactly what opening 10+ packs will yield, and the answer is virtually nothing and definitely nothing in the correct quantities. You pulling 2 Ho-oh EXs and then going on to collect the 58 other cards needed for a deck changes nothing.

Using your pulls in >>28334520 actually shows exactly what I mean, even if they're 5-card packs. The best you pulled was a 1-1 of either Rayquaza and no Shaymin, I'm genuinely sorry, which isn't enough to build you a deck. And what's even more important is that this is from 65 of the SAME pack. Trainer Challenge isn't that generous. You won't get several of the same pack, and you might not even get a second of the same pack altogether, making the cohesion of what you pull even messier.

>And the less you need to trade for, the better. That's packs saved or invested elsewhere. This shit is free.
This is actually what it boils down to.
Let's say you want to build an Alakazam deck. You'd want, what, 3-3 of Alakzam? My build uses 4-3, but let's be generous.
Using the method in the FAQ I posted, you can find that they're worth about 1 SS each. Instead of gambling for packs and praying you get an Alakazam out of the few FC you get (if any), why not enter two tournaments and trade for it instantly? Other than Shaymin, nothing else in an Alakazam deck is going to be even remotely expensive.

>>28334428
I'll give you 2 since apparently people need to be handheld through promo-buying decision making, but what's controversial about XY Blue being the de-facto best deck in Theme?

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Been playing Mega Tyranitar today, I know it sounds bad, but hear me out. It's fun and effective vs all the mega decks in the format right now. It does lose to stupid stuff like Water Box (Rough Seas is.. well rough), Serperior, and the likes. I haven't lost to single mega deck though, Klefki is pretty crazy.
If someone wants the list I can give it, just a word of warning it's still very much in testing phase and I'm not 100% in any of the numbers.

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>>28334723
>M Tyranitar
I'm you, but stronger.

>>28334567
Yes, I play competitively.

I only went to one states in the 2015 season (and a couple LC's). But in the 2016 season I went to
>Ft. Wayne Regional
>Indianapolis, IN Cities
>Kettering, OH Cities
>Louisville, KY States
>Columbus, OH US Nationals
And a shit ton of of LC's, pre-releases and local unsanctioned tournaments.

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We talking niche shit cards general now?

>mawile gets a mega
>it's actually really good
>her card mega is really mediocre

Shit is disappointing. I feel like it'd be better if the energy loss was 1 guaranteed and one flip or if it just cost one energy less or something.

I want to love m-mawile but it's so... Mediocre. Still fun as fuck to play though as a makeshift scizor.

>>28334567
I used to in Gen IV, but nothing bigger than Regionals.

>I don't think the TCGO really has any legitimate competitive scene, does it?
Everyone I know who plays competitively also streams PTCGO
But until there's a ranking/Elo system which they confirmed won't ever be added, PTCGO is just random matchmaking with kids, it ends up being harder to lose than win online

>>28334668
>but what's controversial about XY Blue being the de-facto best deck in Theme?
I agree with you. Blue is best by a long shot and no-one should ever be buying any theme decks. Waste of coins.

But the fact that people are argue about it on a thread to thread basis, shows that in some people's opinions they can be worth buying. And that makes it a subjective opinion instead of an objective one.

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>>28334668
>Anecdotes stop being anecdotes when it happens consistently.

That's all speculation. While you speculate that you don't get shit from 50 packs, I speculate that you do. Speculation hardly seems worthy of being a FAQ.

>definitely nothing in the correct quantities

Once again, that does not matter. You aren't looking to complete a deck in 50 packs. You're looking to get cards that you can use for a deck. You do NOT need to complete a deck with the cards from trainer challenge. Trainer challenge does NOT give you all the cards you need to complete a deck. Trainer challenge DOES give you cards that you can use to build a deck. (But not complete a deck)

Okay I'll drop that point now.

>and no Shaymin, I'm genuinely sorry

No need to be. It's an embarrassment of riches at this point.

>which isn't enough to build you a deck

But I got spirit links, a mega turbo, altarias, sky fields, and in all fairness a 2-1 line of mega ray, as the dragon type is often more preferable than the colorless one. Nevermind the other cards that were/are useful in other decks. See my repetitive lines up above if you wanna see how I feel about needing to complete a deck here.

> Instead of gambling for packs and praying you get an Alakazam out of the few FC you get (if any), why not enter two tournaments and trade for it instantly?

A gamble assumes you stand to lose something. Like I said much earlier, after you get a number of the boxes on the mystery wheel, ladder isn't very rewarding. Your time would be better spent grinding out free packs in the trainer challenge.

Tickets are also plentiful for most veteran players, but tickets certainly aren't for new players. On average it takes 10 mystery boxes for scrounge up 4 tickets.

>>28334982
>2-1 line of mega ray, as the dragon type is often more preferable than the colorless one.
u w0t m8

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>>28335031

The dragon type adds 10 health and switches up the weakness. You'll see some mray decks run one.

>>28335156
>one
At most. In the new Standard format, Electric weakness is so few and far between, it's useless. Intensifying Burn is so much better as an actually useful attack. I would never run anything but the Colorless Ray in my Standard M FUG deck.

>>28334723
Gimmie the list, have like 4 mega tyranitar.

>>28335268

True. But it certainly was useful in mega ray before now. It might become useful again before the rotation next year.

>>28335288
It's all over the place, and not having Crobat in the format is the worst. Sometimes you get really clunky hands, but it's a tough deck to streamline.
All the cards are pretty self explanatory, but if you have any questions feel free to ask.

2x Tyranitar EX
2x M Tyranitar EX
3x Yveltal (Oblivion Wing)
1x Yveltal EX
2x Golbat
2x Zubat
1x Absol
2x Shaymin EX
2x Klefki
1x Yveltal (Fright Night)

2x Tyranitar Spirit Link
4x Assault Vest
4x Professor Sycamore
4x N-supporter
2x Lysandre
2x Pokémon Center Lady
4x Ultra Ball
4x VS Seeker
2x Switch
3x Mega Turbo

4x Double Colorless Energy
7x Darkness Energy

>MFW i killed a Night March deck.


Energy removal hurts it so much.

>>28336036
Its 2015 all over again.

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This deck has me cracking up. It's all coin flips, but yet another greninja deck steamrolled by little Torchic.

As an aside, Ranger should kill Greninja's shadow strike right? e.g. he hits me to turn off my abilities but I play Ranger and that should lift the effect of his attack and allow me use abilities again? it didn't.

>>28338266
Ranger should remove that attack effect, yes.

I'm not entirely sure though, this game has a lot of bugs.

For example when I play mega mawile and I get two tails on my flips it still prompts me to remove 2 energy from enemies despite me not having the ability to as I got two tails. It instead should logic that my turn has ended but instead opts me to have to press end as it thinks I have additional actions to do.

>>28333189
>Blue winning over Green

>>28339263
Blue isnt all weak to Grass.

Its weaknesses are distributed.

Gyarados has electric, Walrain and Articuno have metal.

Blue shits over Green.

>>28333189


No thanks. Op's image is 10x better. It just needs a quick update

>>28339263
Blue does win over green assuming you don't get dick draws.

Unlike green which gets assravaged by red to the point that you should forfeit rather than waste your time.

>>28333189

So how do I get XY basic blue?

>>28310997
So, how will Sunsteel Strike work? It does not even require an Energy card to perform this move.

>>28339581

All the relevant stats, costs, and such are either blotted out or omitted. I assume we will eventually find out how expensive (or not) those attacks are when the actual spoilers come out later

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Is the Kyogre&Groudon Bundle worth it?
What are the attacks of the cards, they should let you preview the fucking promo cards.

>>28334668
I honestly don't understand why people say that Blue is the best. I've always done better with green, what exactly makes blue so good?

>>28340424
The only thing I see is that Red fucks over Green, but with Blue you have a chance against Green.
But nobody picks Red anyways, so Green > Blue.

>>28340424

Gyarados is literally the best Pokemon in the format and is fairly easy to find with Blue's engine. If the Blue player plays right, there is virtually nothing a Green player can do except draw better.

>>28340547
The thing about Green is that you can get a heavy hitter on the field rather fast and then put multiple attackers on backup so the other guy just gets drowned the fuck out, at which point most people just can't be bothered with the match anymore so they just concede because hey not like you lose anything by it.

>>28340591
>Gyarados

That's not Chesnaught

>>28340673

Don't meme on me(me).

>>28340611
I'd argue that Blue has Greninja, Walrein, Gyarados and Articuno that can be set up just as fast, if not faster, than Chesnaught. I think Blue is just more versatile, even if I like Green more. Red is dogshit though.

>>28340821
You are forgetting that Green has DCE tho

>>28340673
Chesnaught is the best, his heal together with the heals the deck already has makes people concede really fast. People seem to forget that when grinding ladder there's a morale element to the game. You can make people concede on games they haven't necessarily lost yet many times, sometimes I hold out on putting in evolutions, heals, etc. just so I can throw everything in on the same turn just to add shock value. When you're grinding ladder you want as many points as quickly as possible, so it's nice to make people concede with 4 prizes left rather than fight it out the whole way.

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>spend the past month getting the cards that would dominate the meta post rotation

>they now doubled or tripled in value


NICE

>>28341094
You only have 2 Hoopa-EX, but that's probably the most player card right now.

>>28341256
No deck uses more than 2 Hoopa-EX...

Most run only one, and AFAIK only M-Rayquaza runs two.

>>28341369
despair ray gard may run more than one

>>28341628
Yeah... 2... not 3 not 4

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>night marchers think they can come into expanded and dominate

>>28338266
I don't really get what your deck is doing. You're just discarding a shitload of fire energy to draw cards?

>>28343223
Torchic has a 20 damage attack on a coin flip and the barrage ancient trait. The randomness means you're probably just as well off using baby volcanion's first attack.

>>28343223
not him but torchic can attack twice per turn (on a flip) for 1 energy thanks to ancient trait. base damage of 20. +10 from FFB. Any Volcanion-EX discards +30 to that each. And all of that twice. So potenitally turn 1 hitting for 300. Or rather, 150 twice. That'd overwhelm a lot of decks before they even get set up.

simple but memetastic and relying on flips a whole lot.

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>>28343388
huh. that's really dumb but I wanna try it. I don't have 4 Volcanion EXs but I can fill in the gaps.

>open a Generations Box for fun not knowing anything of what's in it
>pull a holo Japanese man who confuses my Pokemon
Fucking kek I love this set. The art on the FA Sylveon looks so cool too. I'm going to pin it up on my cork board.

>>28343639
undarage fag detected

anyone that has played GB tcg knows Imakuni

>>28343703
rationalfag here

nobody back then knew how to, or had any interest in, playing the game properly, much less the video game when you could buy cards in real life instead

>if Colress ends up being in Sun and Moon it could mean a Colress reprint

yes please

>>28344218
>N and Skyla reprints despite not showing up in XY
>misty's determination got printed as a new card instead of just giving us computer search

>>28314137
Fat fetishist detected

>>28344418
They reprinted Misty's D so we can get a full art Misty's D based off Misty's Tears.

>>28343223
I am that guy and pretty much what the other two said. Coin flips to overwhelm early and get quick ladder wins. Quit by turn three if it's not working out. Dumb but fun.

>playing scizor energy mill deck
>enemies literally can't do shit
>the ones that do basically win due to dead opening draws

Holy shit this shit is braindead, I love it.