Pokemon TCG/O General: "Give 'em The Clamps!" Edition

>>28272297
>Which of the new PCL-on decks annoys you the most?


Greninja for sure.

Every user of that deck I played with gets on my nerves.

They obviously cant win since the deck sucks balls post rotation but they delay the game anyways just to concede before you get the last prize.

They cant even lose with dignity.

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post decks

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>the world champion decks you can buy don't have code for the TCGO
>not tournament legal either
What is even the point then?

>>28272869
hi im anon i like to play the card gam with my friends and famlily flower

>>28272696
Those are very original decks.

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Was it a good deal?

Is it ok to pick a Hex or Lysandre with Trainers' Mail just to discard it with Sycamore right after that?

>>28273518
Considering 4 VS Seeker is standard, yeah.

I'd probably pick Lysandre just so I always have access to it.

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I'm new to the game, but I must be missing something.
Why isn't this card a staple? It's a +1 at minimum, and every consecutive attack is more card advantage.

>>28273539
>+1
>Good

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>>28273554
>Free +1 that can snowball
>Bad
What am I missing here anon?

>>28273539
+1's aren't great in a game that lets you go +13 every turn for no cost except bench space and using your supporter for the turn. Every consecutive attack doesn't exist because the game is centered around OHKOs.

Enjoy that 1 card while your opponent knocks out your Pokemon, goes +2, and then you lose the lucky helmet as a -1, giving you a total of +0 and a dead Pokemon.

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>>28273589
If you ever played other card games, equipping an enchantment or an equip spell onto a monster which draws you a card isn't actually a +1. Especially if those cards can be negated or removed before they even draw you the equip you used back.

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>>28272696

>>28273589
Card advantage is nothing in pokemon tcg

There's a card that lets you draw another 7 and you can pretty much riffle through your deck to find whatever you want anytime

Drawing 2 cards conditionally is fucking garbage in pokemon tcg

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>>28272696
I've been loving Xerneas Break so far

Give it to me straght /vp/, is ptcgo just basically a way to practice for the real card game? That's the only way I can see it right now, with no way to just straight pay for cards on there and most things being trade locked right off.

>>28273845
>no way to just straight pay for cards on there and most things being trade locked right off.
What? A competent player can build any deck within their first week, Shaymin included. Learn2trade.

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This shaymin has been going for quite a bit. I have 4, sold one for 60(highest bidder) and I was gonna sell 2 more. Should I sell them separately? And if I keep one, would the value go up, or would it just go way down once it's out of rotation for tournament play?

How many SS packs should i give for a Sceptile-Ex? The Ancient Origins one.

>>28273974
I would sell it and keep one for my collection.

It's draw ability is just way too op.
Also it is possible that new GX Pokemon will appear with draw ability, if GX brings a Pokemon with Shaymin ability or better it will go down in price.

The only reason it's price is so high is that there is almost no way getting boosters that aren't weighted or OVP sealed boxes that aren't overpriced.

>>28273845
Just buy booster codes for 0.20$ ish and put up trades for in worst case 5-6 boosters for a shaymin ex or 1-2 boosters for a EX. a playset of normal sycamore/lysandre is 1 booster.

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>>28274199
>in worst case 5-6 boosters for a shaymin ex
LOL

>>28274178
Ok thank man

>third day in a row of playing evolution pokémon
>third day in a row of getting games of shit hands where I can't evolve shit, and when I do the opponent disconnects or just quits

Worst challenges.

I just did four 24 ticket tournaments in a row with my Mega Scizor deck.

These are the results:

Fist Place: 2
Second Place: 1 (Lost because of a misplay by me)
Third Place: 1 (Lost because deck bricked HARD)


I got these packs:

Steam Siege: 32
Fates Collide: 4
BreakPoint: 4
Breakthrough: 5
Ancient Origins: 2
Roaring Skies: 5
Primal Clash: 4

Thats 56 packs in 96 tickets. (4,66 packs per 8 Tickets)

WAY more efficient than the 8 ticket tournaments IMO.

>>28274552
mega scizor? Can I get a nice deck list for it?

>>28273651
That's one of the things I dislike about this game. There's no accumulating card advantage or waiting for the right moment to use a supporter. You basically have to just play out every card you can every turn before your hand gets shuffled into your deck again.

>>28274654

These are my decks:
>>28272696


Out of 11 matches I faced in the tournaments:

2 Mega Mewtwos
1 Mega Gardevoir
1 Mega Ray
1 GlaceonEX and Regice

1 Yanmega BREAK
2 Greninja BREAK
1 Xerneas BREAK

1 Ariados and Chesnaught
1 Carbink, Lugia and Machamp-EX


Lost a final against a Mega Mewto because I misplayed a card, wouldve won otherwise.

Lost a semi final against a Greninja BREAK because my deck bricked hard and I couldnt draw any energies.

The rest of the matches were really easy.

>>28274199
Shaymin is worth 24 of the latest pack... I don't know what rock your living under.

>>28274914
You are wrong.

Shaymin is woth 40+ SS packs.

Its worth 20-22 RS packs.

24 RS is the price from Trading Companies which is a bit higher than street value because they make profit from trading them.

Which site is the best to purchase codes from?

>>28274395
Just do them against AI.

>>28275124
Versus or Theme only, otherwise I would.

What is the value of FA Mega Mewtwo, FA Mega Scizor and RA Mega Scizor? I don't think I'll be able to make a deck out of them at the moment, so I may as well fund my Shaymin hunt

I have two codes I found in a drawer. I didn't use them for sure but I don't know if they are still redeemable.

Here you are, I hope you get something nice

BQP-EEPV-SPC-TR3
NSE-BU49-43V-BVA

>>28272297
like 100% decklist requieres shaymin, what should I use instead of shaymin if I'm too poor to have it

>>28275977
You should just get Shaymin. There is no substitute.

>>28275977
Octillery from BREAKthrough, the one with the Abyssal Hand ability. Then upgrade to Shaymin when you're able to.

>>28276145
Well it's like 60 CAD each and I don't have that kinda of money right now.

>>28276170
thanks

>>28275977
Keep diggin brother. You will get your shayamin ex.
Poorfag here aswell

>>28275977
Octillery has a similar skill, is an evolution, and only draws 5.

Talonflame is a decent alternative that basically has a coinflip chance of being useful at the beginning of the game or never useful to you ever, and only if you have a really low basic count in your deck. Like, only 4-5 Pokemon to start out with besides Talonflame, who you actually don't want to start out with (Zubats, Froakies, etc) compared to the usual 8-11.

>>28274959

Please Respond

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I'm going to a tournament soon, and I don't know what deck to run.

Darkrai or Mewtwo.

I really don't want my ass handed to me again.

>>28276903
you can't win without FA

>make crazy rogue deck
>win a couple of games with it
>drop it before the deck proves that it's shit
>repeat

>Make gym that kills megas slowly
>Make mega that kills gyms fast
Why is this allowed?

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>>28276940
But I don't want to use them

>>28272869
I collect them just for the artwork to be honest so there that.
I would kill for one of the Primal Groudon cards.

>>28277264
>mega that kills gyms fast
Fuck am I reading

>>28275427
Anyone? How many RS packs could I get for them individually, or even SS packs?

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is it even worth it opening this shit?

has all the good stuff rotated out?

>>28278078
XY was never worth opening, before or after rotation.

Yveltal EX's full art is the most valuable thing in the set because it didn't rotate out. But everything else did, or wasn't valuable to begin with.

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How strong can a Volcanion EX deck be when this boy exists?

>>28278523
Fine. Just have to stream Lysandre and knock out the Garbs as fast as possible.

>>28278264

Can I use the Sycamores I've pulled from it? Gotten two so far.

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So random question for you guys, and for your time helping ill be willing to post some steam siege booster codes along with some others.

So basically I'm trying to find some good cards for split damage kind of like the zubat, golbat, and crobat line that's rotating out. Anyone know of something good thats similar? first code for good faith

>>28278683
They're legal. Not really worth anything though

>>28278768

did Raichu get rotated out? I heard he could have some good chemistry with Crobat

>>28278795
Raichu is not rotated out, it got reprinted in Generations (twice actually). It's not worth anything though. Also Crobat rotated out.

>>28278078
>>28278078
>>28278078

wow... not a SINGLE fucking Full Art. I'm done with this shit. I threw everything that wasn't a holo or EX into the fucking trash. Holy fucking shit.

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>>28272696
I've been testing Kyurem. The idea is Kyurem/Deoxys but with White Kyurem (Fates Collide 21 and Empoleon.

Volcanion = Thundrous ex
Empoleon = Deoxys Ex

One frost spear hits for 40 then 20 on two pokemon on the bench.

follow up with a blizzard burn for a ko.

20 from bench damage+150 from boosted blizzard+10 from poison = 180

hELP ME FUCKERS

Ho-Oh EX Decklist

16x PkMn

3x Ho-Oh EX (Purifying Fire/Elemental Feather)
3x Venusaur EX (Poison Powder/Jungle Hammer)
2x Charizard EX (Stoke/Fire Blast)
2x White Kyurem (Burning Icicles/Blizzard Burn)
2x Lugia (Pressure/Intensifying Burn)
2x Gyarados EX (Stormy Seas/Splash Burn)
1x M Gyarados EX (Blast Geyser)
1x Jirachi (Stardust)

31x Trainer

4x Puzzle of Time
3x Professor Letter
3x Prof. Sycamore
2x Pokemon Fan Club
2x Gyarados Spirit Link
2x Fighting Fury Belt
1x Bursting Balloon
1x Muscle Band
1x Xerosic
1x Lysandre
1x Lysandre's Trump Card
1x Shauna
1x Fisherman
1x Delinquent
1x Max Elixir
1x Town Map
1x Ultra Ball
1x Teammates
1x Parallel City
1x Team Rocket's Handiwork
1x Pokemon Center Lady


13x Energy

1x Double Colorless
2x Rainbow Energy
3x Basic Water
3x Basic Grass
3x Basic Electric
2x Basic Fire

>>28278972
Take it apart and start over.

>>28278742
Shave your beard

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>>28278742
Alakazam + Mega Alakazam, perhaps? Zen Force synergizes with both Kinesis and Suppression, and with Devolution Spray and Alakazam Spirit Link you can theoretically evolve several Alakazam with just one Mega Alakazam card several times a turn to maximize Kinesis damage.

>>28278972
Is this a ruse or just deck wizard?
For starters, Lysandre's Trump Card is banned from all formats.

>>28278972
This seems like entirely a mess. Where's your consistency? What's your end goal here? It looks like you just shoved a ton of cards together that don't actually work together. Like, what the fuck is the point of Gyarados and M Gyarados there? Why Charizard EX? Why Venusaur? Those could all be swapped out for things you actually need, like some draw power, anything else really.

>>28278742
Audino is the latest meme piercing deck and Greninja's whole gameplan is tossing damage.

>>28279019
could you be a bit more specific

>>28279071
playing casually, and no I'm new to the game so I'm rather unfamiliar with competitive decklists. And like I said, this is a casual deck to play competitively with friends

>>28279117
I like the ratio of 16:60 when it comes to pokemon, and I was also attempting to go with a generation 1 & 2 theme.

>>28279199
The deck is garbage. It has no focus or purpose. Take it apart and try again.

>anon posts mediocre decklist
>severe autists rage

welp... you guys could work on being a bit more polite when it comes to constructive criticism. Maybe this is why people call us aspies??

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Neat. I've gotten two now.
But I don't even have a deck with Giratina in it.

>>28279228
Casual deck doesn't have to mean bad deck, and having a preferred ratio is fine, but there's absolutely no reason it has to be filled with Pokemon that do absolutely nothing but take up space. Even "running a gen 1/2 theme"(With White Kyurem, Jirachi, and Mega Gyarados, what the fuck) you could just outright not be running those at all and something like 4 Ho-Oh, 4 Lugia, 2 Smeargle, and 2-2 Remoraid>Octillery would make 16 Pokemon, entirely Gen 2, and at least be somewhat coherent

>>28279263
>>28279263
Reddit was actually way more helpful than anything you managed to sperg out of your toaster.

>>28279265

yes "anon" posted that, not you ;)

But I don't see anyone sperging out. I could write a detailed essay about what you could do to fix that deck, but it wouldn't amount to anything, since you wouldn't even recognize it anymore. Like someone else said, the deck has no focus whatsoever. It's just a mishmash of cards.

>>28279265
>dozens of links in the OP for things like advice and deck help, in an easy to follow imgur image nontheless
>some people trying to give constructive criticism like consistency, draw power, and "those cards are literally banned"
>ignore any of that
>lol ur all autists reddit is better
you can go back there if you want. r/pkmntcg is usually dead enough, they could use your activity.

>>28279330
you could be helpful but you're giving vague "advice" at best that does little to serve anything but your already inflated ego

shit nigger what are you doing

>>28278742
Thanks, Lysandre

>>28279379

Man if you're not ready to take criticism then don't ask for criticism. There was no venom in my post, I just joked about the noko in your name. The rest of it was aimed at your deck, which you seem to want to protect as if it's a child of yours. Let it go, friend. Accept what people here are telling you.

>>28279330
have fun smashing 10 year olds at your local books-a-million. Must be a fun life.

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>>28279379
Here's my Ho-Oh EX deck from last format. Some of the cards rotated but if you're just playing casually it shouldn't matter too much.

>>28279443
>>28279379
>>28279265
You know, noko goes into the options field. If it's in your name field, it's considered your name and everyone can see it when you display it as your name.

>>28279438
you might want to check your post again, if you think there was no animosity you're sorely mistaken.

>>28279443

Step away from the computer and get some of your composure back, senpai. You need to calm down a bit.

>>28278965
I'm thinking I should replace one trainer's mail and one hypnotoxic laser with one jirachi ex and one az

>>28279470
did you even consider bait? that deck is pretty silly and he's got you consistently replying

>>28279487

There really wasn't. I'm just telling you your deck lacks focus. If you take that as a personal attack then you need to stop being so sensitive, especially when you're asking for criticism.

>>28279487
>But I don't see anyone sperging out. I could write a detailed essay about what you could do to fix that deck, but it wouldn't amount to anything, since you wouldn't even recognize it anymore. Like someone else said, the deck has no focus whatsoever. It's just a mishmash of cards.
Not even him, literally where?

>>28279487
Are you telling somebody that they're wrong about the intentions of their own post? Is this autism, or bait?

>>28272696
>only 1 parallel city

Enjoy taking that hot fug dick.

>>28279508
I considered it until I found https://www.reddit.com/r/pkmntcg/comments/51aqpt/looking_for_hooh_ex_tips_any_advice_appreciated/ and checked through his post history. Seems like he's a legitimately triggered normie who can't take criticism of his casual Pokemon deck because meanie 4chan said his first attempt at a deck wasn't 100% perfect

>>28279117
>>28279517
There, I guess

>>28279572
I wouldn't consider the base questions of deck construction like "What's your end goal for your deck" and "why are you running this card" as animosity, but I guess it could be taken like that.
lilsprite, if you took it that way, I apologize, but you need to lighten up about it. It's not the end of the world if someone says your beginner level viability at children's card game construction is a mess. People call tournament winning decks terrible sometimes too.

I asked earlier, but got no response. I have a FA Mega Mewtwo EX (Psychic Infinity), FA and RA Mega Scizor EX and RA Scizor EX. How many packs are those worth each? Roaring Skies or Steam Siege, preferably.

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I've made this great deck, but I've been losing a lot recently. Got any tips to make it better?

>>28279289
>Mega Mewtwo probably ignores that too

>>28279293
>>28279293
thanks anon

>>28279657
Oh, no, I'm not him, nor do I think any animosity was in the post towards him, I thought you were asking about what you quoted.

>>28279665
I don't think there's much depand for Scizor or M-Scizor, I couldn't see it as more than like 4-5 packs maximum and maybe 1-2 minimum each.

It just all depends on what offers people are putting out at the time. If you're on a day where everyone's undercutting eachother for some reason, it'll be harder, but if you're jumping in at a time where there's a lack of other Scizor offers then you can go jewing.

I think FA M-Mewtwo EX might be a bit more though, the market is fluctuating a little since standard just came in. It regularly goes for ~6, but you might be able to get rid of it for 7-9 if you're lucky.

>>28279684

I'll never understand why deck wizard loves some cards for some reason. It'll put them in nearly every deck.

>>28279742
Thank you very much, Anon. If that's the case, I'll keep my Scizors and make a deck from them and get some packs for that Mewtwo.

>>28279684
>not maxing out on Sceptile Spirit Links
>no Bianca or Cheren
>6-4-1 energy ratio instead of a more consistent 3-6-12 ratio

Passable at locals but trash otherwise. These changes should help the consistency out a lot though.

>>28279742
Update, searched public trades for curiosity sake, you likely won't be able to get rid of the full art for more than 3ish packs right now.

>>28279684
obviously add a starmie to evolve that staryu. come on anon, it's not rocket science

>>28279780
*you likely won't be able to get rid of the full art scizor for more than 3ish packs

probably should've specified

>>28279684
Need more Spirt links and EX cards

>>28279684
I will still never understand why they printed fresh water and rough seas, completely invalidating fresh water, in the same pack.

>>28272297
>Old
>>>28244708
>New? Start here
>>http://i.imgur.com/HoY1IaG.jpg
>>http://pastebin.com/gPEnw6GW
>How to progress in PTCGO, tl;dr edition:
>>complete all Trainer Challenges for loadsa packs to kickstart your collection
>>play through using basic decks to unlock them for versus play
>>grind prizes/coins on Versus Mode theme ladder
>>enter theme format tournaments whenever possible using coins
>>using your winnings from the last two steps, enter ticket tournaments. You'll get tradable shit from those
>>trade packs/chests for the cards in a deck you actually want to build
>>don't open packs before you have a solid deck, YOU EARNED THOSE, DON'T WASTE THEM ON SOME SHITTY HOLO RARE AND 9X KRABBY
>>public trade is like the GTS, if you want proper results, put up your own offers
>>occasionally the thread isn't entirely anti-social and can get you deals on cards
>To see what your PTCGO stuff is worth right now, look for the PTCGO forums in the trading section.
>>Your old IRL cards are probably fake or not worth caring about. Check TrollandToad, eBay, and TCGplayer instead of asking.
>TotT: Which of the new PCL-on decks annoys you the most?

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why is the Sycamore FA worth so much real money?

is it just husbando faggots?

>>28279836
Everyone at a recorded tournament wants to use FAs for the bluff.

>>28279836
It's a full art of a card you want to run 4 of.

Juniper, Skyla, and N were all pricy for the same reason. Things like Teammates, Winona, Pokemon Fan Club despite great art, only get played at like 1 if at all, so people are more likely to keep their sycamores and sell their winona.

>>28279836
They are? I have two that I pulled recently, but never check the prices of physicals. How much is it going for?

>>28279932
$35-40

>>28279932
Market price is ~35 average, lowest is $32.49 right now

>>28279877
>>28279877

why the fuck does it matter? Can't I just use four standard Sycamores? do people care that much about being fancy?

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>>28279778
Sorry, only got 2 sceptile spirit links; bianca and cheren are not standard. I did fix the energy ratio.
>>28279780
No starmie :(
>>28279816
I did what I could

>>28279836
It's the rarest iteration of a card used in literally every single deck.

I started playing last week and I want to buy something to get a good foothold. I was thinking about buying the Steam Siege Elite Trainer's Box, but I don't know how it works on the TCGO.

Anyone knows?

>>28279777
How many packs you want for your scizor-ex?

>>28279995
You can, sure.

Rich people have no reason to though. And in a 60 dollar shaymin format, rich people are likely the majority of the market buying things like full arts right now

>>28280004
Fuck, this deck is OP
>Staryu ban when

>>28280045

weird. I guess I'm in that grey area between collector and player. If I pull a Full Art it's going in a sleeve and a top loader and staying where I can see it.

Also, can I still use babby Yveltals that I pulled in XY?

>>28280077
Yes.

>>28279995
It's shiny. Yes. Yes.
>>28280025
Elite Trainers boxes are a nice place to start for the physical game. You get some storage (the box), 8 boosters, a coin flip dice and some damage dice (essential for tournaments and way more practical than coins and damage counters), some separators and some card sleeves.

For online you get the codes from the packs you receive, some card sleeves and a deckbox (cosmetic only).

>>28280025
You don't get anything special from the steam siege trainer box besides a virtual deck box and sleeves. It's just a standard 8 packs with codes inside, just like if you bought 8 packs without being placed inside a box.

I wouldn't recommend getting packs unless you know what deck you want to make and there are a lot of commons/rares from a set you can use for your deck though. That kind of situation hasn't really happened since Phantom Forces with Night March though. I'd recommend just buying singles.

>>28280077
Yeah, so long as it has the same attacks and other text as one currently in standard or it's an errata'd trainer.

>>28280095
>>28280102

sweeeet... i love using this deck. though I honestly find more use in the Unowns in it than I do the Zoroarks.

>>28279995
Surprisingly, yes. Yes they do.

>>28280004
Bro where the FUCK is your Town Map and Fairy Garden at? It's like you want to lose, that shit's vital for this deck.

>>28279694
By any means anon, don't let us stop you from getting back to your DA delphox requests. We all know that's the only reason you spend time in /vp/

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>>28280184
Done

>>28280270
>my sides

>>28280270
Much better. You should be able to win pretty consistently now.

>>28280270
Stupid fucking EX spamming cunt. You think easy wins are fun? Build a deck that isn't cheap OP EX bullshit for once.

are there any good fairy decks these days?

>>28280373
Dude, I'm the newfag of the steambox question, and even I can deal with EXs most of the time.

Regis carry me home.

>>28280403
M Gardevoir from Steam Siege is great. Rainbow Force Xerneas isn't bad either. The M Gardevoir from Primal Clash is mediocre.

>>28280373
>Complaining about EX Pokémon
>Not noticing the OP as fuck Fletchling into Talonflame BREAK

>>28280403
I play a Despair Ray Mega Gardevoir deck. I'd say it's pretty decent, but I'm just a Shaymin-thirsting scrub so what do I know

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>>28278742
If you just want something to start a damage chain for Kazam of Tyranitar to work off of, pic related from the latest set uses a single colourless, and is a good opener for either of those decks.

Team Magma's Base from the Double Crisis mini-set is standard legal too, and means you're not even wasting your attack.

http://pkmncards.com/card/team-magmas-secret-base-double-crisis-dcr-32/

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>>28280458

Ive actually pulled three of these fucking things through the countless bux Ive blown on SS boxes. however, I only have one Gardevoir EX ;-;

does it matter which Garde I use? what else goes well in the deck. i pulled some Xerns in this box >>28278078

>>28280568
4 Gardevoir from Steam Siege
4 M Gardevoir from Steam Siege
3 Shaymin from Roaring Skies
2 Hoopa from Ancient Origins

The rest of the deck is pretty straightforward. And you can run neat things like Mega Turbo, Fairy Garden, etc.

>>28280644
>>28280644
>>28280644

fuck... is Xerneas EX good at all or total garbage?

>>28280666
Total garbage since the day it was printed. Geomancy Xerneas isn't bad but it's not useful with this M Gardevoir.

>>28280713

that sucks. looks like I may have to invest some more into Ancient Origins and Steam Siege then.

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Does someone else has this error? every time I try to enter I get stuck at 8% at this screen.
It's not internet fault, since my brother who is 2 rooms away and has shitty wi-fi can enter no problem, also if I try entering as a guest it loads no problem, this only happens when I try to log in with my account.
I tried reinstalling the game too, but doesn't work.
Obviously I tried google first but no one has this problem, and I don't know what to do.

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>>28272696
:^)
Still trying to collect the foil ones that I'm missing.
Also I've been wanting for a while to remove the acro bikes to maybe increase the VS seeker or add a N, but they're such a life saver in a lot of occasions. Truth be told, I've never really felt the need of using N in any of my games.
Thoughts on how to improve?

>>28274552
>tfw I haven't lost a single tournament match since 2015 with this deck (even though I edited it a bit when SS came out), both in standard and expanded, and I do tournaments every week
>tfw I finish the versus ladder four days into its reveal every single time

>>28281334
Night march

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>28281378
Hey, it works. I've actually started using different decks like Garchomp+Miltank and M-Alakazam+Bats because of how boring it is to steamroll through everything with Night March.

>>28281334
>2 Vs Seeker
>3 ultra ball
>3 d valley
>0 float stone
>0 t-mail
>4 teammates
>random energy

Wow that's some hot garbage you got there friend

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>>28272696
Now that I have a relatively solid pauper's deck here (>50% winrate in Expanded, been trudging through the prize card challenge), what should my ambitions be for upgrading my Pokemon aside obviously from getting a second Lugia to replace Bouffalant and winning the lottery so I can buy Shaymins?

I'm considering picking up Battle Ruler for Carbink and Ziggydiggy, and the fighting-type Garchomp looks like it could potentially replace Conkadonk and help me further fuck EX decks, but I haven't done a lot of digging.

Any other advice would be welcome; I'm already planning to pick up more VS Seekers and Korrinas as soon as possible, but I'm not sure what to replace with them.

Also just picked up this fag from a booster >>28280519

>>28280288
>>28280328
>>28280373
Just got back, time to test it against real people.

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Yveltal? In MY standard format?

R8, h8, appreci8.

>>28281441
>2 Vs Seeker
What's wrong with this? What would you remove to make space for more? As I said in my first post, I've wanted to increase them for a while.

>3 d valley
I only removed the fourth Dimension Valley last week because I consistently ended up having to remove the fourth one from my hand or deck one way or another. I haven't missed it so far, since a lot of other decks use it and Special Charge can recover enough special energies anyway. Keep in mind that I have seven pokemon who can attack with night march with a single DCE, thanks to mew.

>3 ultra ball
Like with Dimension Valley. I never need one after I've pulled the Shaymins in the first two turns.


>float stone
Useless since I have three Mew who can retreat without cost. If anything goes bad and a Shaymin is pulled off the bench I'll just spend one color energy to switch it with a Pumpkaboo and sacrifice it so I can use Teammates. Only case in which a tactic like this would hurt me in the long run of the match would be if the opponent is also a night march, but then again I don't use Shaymin that I can't immediately return to my hand against another night march.

>>28281441
>0 t-mail
Absolutely useless, I'll never understand why so many people use it. It's hot garbage, it just takes space and it's too much of a gamble.

>4 teammates
Teammates are the one thing that always saves my ass, especially when people tend to use N when I only have one prize card left.

>random energy
They're for the Mews, for emergency retreat and also the fire and fight ones save my ass against decks that use Scorched Earth EVERY SINGLE TIME.

>>28281618
I like using trainer's mail. Better than acro bike, fills in 4 spaces, and if it works you can grab a trainer card.

>>28281625
>Fletchling
Honestly they ought to just concede. Victory is already yours.

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>>28281715
Our last man will take this

>>28281694
>if it works
That's my problem with it. While with Acro Bike you can even remove a night march pokemon while picking up a better card, with Trainer's Mail it's all about hoping that you get either Teammates or Sycamore.

Every time I see someone use a night march with a Trainer's Mail I also see that they use Puzzle of Time, another horrible card that relies too much on gamble.

It may be fine if you're against a normal, average deck but I want to win against other night marches too.

>>28281625
>>28281734
I don't understand
>t.Newfag

>>28281776
He made a deck with the built-in Deck Wizard, which is known for creating completely nonsensical decks, and now he's trying it.

>>28281796
Don't forget the help from anon's comments. It would have been able to win something with only the wizard

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New game, but I think I can't win this without my superior fletchling

>>28281796
I wanted to know why fletchling and Staryu were considered good?
Or was that sarcasm?

>>28281908
They're shitty cards in an already terrible deck. Of course it was sarcasm.

>>28281922
I got even shittier cards so that was kinda confusing for me :')
Thanks anyways

>>28281618
VS Seeker is there so you don't have to run 4 Teammates. It's an amazing card that lets you grab any supporter and when combo'd with Compressor it lets you search your deck for any supporter you want.

Having four D Valley means you don't have to worry about prizing them or discarding them early. Since you don't run Puzzle of Time, for some reason.

Same logic for Ultra Ball. Plus it's another discard outlet for the Pokemon.

Float Stone keeps your Joltiks and Pumpkaboos from holding you back if you don't start with Mew. Your opponent will just use the free time to set up while you have to waste an energy to retreat.

Trainer's Mail is better than Acro because it digs deeper for the ever-important trainer cards the deck needs to work; Ultra Ball, Battle Compressor, etc

Four of any supporter not named Sycamore is insane when they're dead in your hand. Running 4 Vs seeker solves this problem.

The fact that your list is so different than good NM lists should be indicative enough.

>>28281618

not the other guy btw

>What's wrong with this? What would you remove to make space for more? As I said in my first post, I've wanted to increase them for a while.

You could easily do without one of those Hex Maniac and 3 of those Teammates. That's a crazy amount of Teammates senpai.

>Like with Dimension Valley. I never need one after I've pulled the Shaymins in the first two turns.

Ultra Ball is almost never a bad card. It improves consistency greatly in the early game and it thins the hand nicely in the late game. It's a no brainer 4 of. It's certifiably insane to run a NM card with less, I think.

>Absolutely useless, I'll never understand why so many people use it. It's hot garbage, it just takes space and it's too much of a gamble.

It's not much of a gamble. When the card first came out I would use it as a filler card and it was always the first card to get cut. Nowadays, if I can't fit 4 trainers' mail in a deck, I consider the deck a failed concept and start over. It's that good. But your issues with it may stem from the above issues I personally have with the decklist. Ultra Ball and VS Seekers are two of the main cards you're looking for with it, along with dimensional valley and battle compressor.

>Teammates are the one thing that always saves my ass, especially when people tend to use N when I only have one prize card left.

You'll hardly need 4 once you have more seekers.

>>28281765

>Puzzle of Time, another horrible card that relies too much on gamble

PoT with Teammates support and a Town Map is braindead and requires almost no gambling. It's bananas in Night March. It would allow you to cut Revives all together and a Megaphone. It practically makes all the room it needs by itself while being far more versatile.

>enter first tournament in a while
>get bugged out on the first round and forced to concede
Just fuck my shit up.

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I think I finally got this

>>28282249
>Inb4 MAGIKARP TURBO BREAK

>>28282340
it was angry gyarados

>>28281334
have you considered becoming world champion with this steaming pile of meme?

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hello

rate my new card

>>28282493
And a ching chong nip nong to you too/10

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I know I can do this

>>28282493
>1st Edition Japanese Crystal Ho-Oh.

Nice job, see if you can get it graded.

>>28282547
Nah, you are fucked.

>>28278929
>expecting value from booster boxes

No one but TPCi/WotC/Konami/etc. win the Booster Box Game in the end.

Least out might be able to get nudes for your pack codes if that grill last general didn't disappear.

>>28282646
i don't grade cards, i keep them double sleeved in my binder. it would be at least a 9 though.

>>28274948
Where are your sources

>>28283246
Check the prices from trading companies and public trades moron.

>working towards 4 different challenges at once with Golurk

Now THIS is grinding.

How many packs am I looking at for a set of 4 Scizor Ex and mEx?

>>28283356
Why do you want 4-4 when the deck uses 3-3?

Price is at 2 SS for each, maybe 3 SS for a duo of scizor+mega if you get lucky.

>>28283430
I'm just playing it by ear at this point.

>>28283462
there is literally no deck that uses a 4-4 line of anything

>>28283512
That's not true at all.

>>28283538
Name 1.

>>28283581
Using only decks that topped Worlds: Greninja, Vespiquen, Genesect/Bronzong, Yanmega, Night March, Trevenant.

>>28283644
we are talking about the current standard format you fucking moron

the mega decks are played with 3-3 or 4-3 at most

>>28283715
>there is
>literally no deck
>that uses a 4-4 line of anything

>>28283715

The current standard format is like 3 days old you autist. Nobody has a fucking clue what's actually good yet.

There's nothing wrong with running a 4-4 mega line-up. I know in at least M Fug I usually end up discarding a mega once or twice with Sycamore and it may be a while before I get it back with PoT or Rod. So it's nice to have the extra copy for maximum consistency.

>>28283715
>there is literally no deck that uses a 4-4 line of anything
>we are talking about the current standard format you fucking moron

>>28283780
>Nobody has a fucking clue what's actually good yet
>implying

The ammount of useful cards in the current format is very limited, its not hard to see what the top decks are.

Anyone that understands the game knows that:
-Mega Scizor
-Mega Mewtwo
-Mega Rayquaza
-Darkrai - Giratina
Are the top decks in the format.

And:
-Mega Gardevoir
-Volcanion
-Flareon
-Yvetal - ZoroarkBREAK
-XerneasBREAK - Giratina
-Zygarde - Carbink - Regirock
-Rainbow Road
Are at least one tier under them.

The rest of the decks are not even worth playing.

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Posting this again, looking for suggestions.

I've only played two games with it so far, winning both. One against Rainbow Road, which this deck obviously counters, and once against Darkrai/Giratina, which was a surprise.

The biggest weakness as far as I can tell is Trevenant's retreat cost, but neither opponent really punished me with it yet, and Energy Switch can bail me out pretty easily.

>>28284056

I was watching someone dominate yesterday with Vespiquen, even after compressor has been rotated. The format is still so fucking young you cannot honestly say any of those decks you have listed as the top decks in the format are actually that great. That Vespiquen decks runs a 4-4 line btw.

>>28284142
Why do you play the Spiritomb?

>>28284183
Thet fact that you think Vespiquen is viable without compressor shows how fucking shit at this game you are.

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>>28284220

Damage Play ends the game.

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Any advice on how to tighten this up. It's been real good to me so far, even when I face Garbodor which should kill it. The random Parallel City is jut for all the RayQ & Rainbow Road decks that are prevalent on the client.

>>28284262

It's not me who made the deck familam, it's a professional player. One of those guys who made it to worlds and all. But I'm sure he's a shitter too. You've got this format figured solved 5 days in, don't you?

>>28284262
Vespiquen is viable you mong. No it doesn't come out swinging turn 1 like it did with compressor, but it's still a very good deck.

>>28284288
Personally I would cut the Elixers for two more Sprays.

>>28284056
>doesn't think Greninja break is as strong/stronger than those spergfilled mega decks

Why do you talk so much and know so little

>>28284183
>The format is still so fucking young you
More like the format is much less restrictive and cancerous than before.
No item lock, and ability lock is much less oppressive and slower. If we get good tool removal, there will be virtually no lock in format, which will be a first in almost a decade.
The three supposed best decks of the format have their weaknesses:
>M Mewtwo's damage can be played around to a degree, needs six (6) energies on board to hit for 190
>M Rayquaza has hard counters in Parallel City and Garbodor to lock out Shaymin/Hoopa
>Darkrai/Giratina struggles to OHKO quickly and Giratina is irrelevant in some matchups
All of this adds up to a format where things are much slower (especially with Megas+Links), much less volatile, and there's no item lock to literally stop certain decks from playing the game.

This is going to be a rogue format until they bring in the CP4 reprints or just give us something objectively nuts in an upcoming pack.

>>28284344
I was thinking about that. Or maybe for one of each Hoopa. They are still in there from an earlier incarnation where no-one could attack for cheaper than 2 attachments.

But they are good too, for those rare times you want to actually use the second attack of basic Hoopa or even the EX.

>>28284353
It actually isn't. It can't get OHKOs anymore, without relying on weakness. But it sure as shit can get OHKO'd back. And it loses a lot of damage to Garbodor. Ranger also shits on Shadow Stitching.

>>28284310
Vespiquen is not viable. While it only concedes one prize and can start racking up damage in the late game, it has no real acceleration outside of Sycamore, Ultra Ball and Unown, no Muscle Band, there are no good decks that are weak to Grass (even Water Box is mostly weak to Metal), and its HP is too low making it easy pickings.

>>28284288

I'd find room for a 4th alakazam. If 1 is prized and another is knocked out, like 1/6 of your deck is comprised of dead cards.

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>>28284263
But why do you play Spiritomb?

This card effect is better, costs less and doesnt make you use Dark energy in the deck.


>>28284353
Greninja BREAK gets nullified by Garbodor.
Same as Yanmega BREAK, not useful at all because of Garbodor.

>>28284545

Because taking up an additional 2 spots in the deck and requiring you to evolve isn't as good as Spiritomb, which has everything in a single card.

Just started playing a few days ago, in the last hour I've beaten three people who just decked themselves out without me even having to play particularly defensively. Two of them even used Sycamore or Shaymin when they were under ten cards, with 4+ prize cards left to take.

I assume there's matchmaking and I'm just being matched up with the elbow-lickers right now?

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>>28284288
Magma Base is really cheeky, I never thought of that.
Not sure if Hoopa is a good choice here. 20 on the bench isn't that much, especially since you have to waste a turn doing it. Isn't Suppression good enough?
You should also consider Absol. It turns Kinesis into 50 damage on the active for a surprise KO.
How do you set up fast enough without Mega Turbo or a Max Elixer engine?

>>28284622
Except for the additional dark energies

>>28284622
If you dont need the dark energies you can remove the 2 spiritombs, and 4 dark energies and add 2-2 meowstik line and 2 psychic energy.

You are not using 2 spots in the deck.

You are preventin bricking by drawing dark energy when you need psychic energy.

>>28284670
>>28284677

The energy split isn't a big deal. Trevenant needs 1 psychic energy to function.

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>when you realize you just won 0-1 with 10 hp left

God bless Lysandre and God bless Landorus.

>>28284142
>>28284622
Don't forget that Spiritomb only affects the bench. Meowstic affects the active as well.
On the other hand, you can stall with Spiritomb's Nightmare, among the other points.

You really should add in at least 1 Float Stone or a Switch or something.
Or speaking of tools, you could consider Bursting Balloon. 60 free damage can help you win faster.
Have you considered actually using the base Trevenant? Hammers so Nervous Seed is more effective, or DCEs since Energy Press can potentially put more damage on board than Silent Fear.

>>28284646
the Hoopa are the reason it doesn't need to be so fast. Hoping to open with him whenever possible. Plus you can pick and choose where to put those 20s and you're not relying on them to drop energy attachments, or the Secret Base (which is reactive and often removed before it can do it's job). Particularly in early game Hoopa is really good. Plus he's only one prize so you can make it a seven prize game that way while you set up your Kazams.

Absol is a nice idea although it's another card I'd hate to open with. idk why I never thought of Mega Turbo. Because I actually use the Hoopas to attack pretty often?

I guess it's not a particularly fast deck. More about spreading out damage all over, so that the opponent is fucked no matter who he brings out to kill the Hoopa.

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This card is a riot.

>>28280758
If you have the same problem as I had it's your firewall that's blocking TCGO's access to your internet. Set allowance for the game in the firewall settings and see if that works.

>>28284820

I know that Spiritomb can't take damage from the active, it's the only real downside I see to using him over Meowstic. Still, most people are benching enough shit so far that I don't see the big deal as of yet. The thing about this Trevenant is that you need to start working towards power up another benched pokemon pretty early, since Nervous Seed is a bitch. And if they play Garbodor, that's just more damage for Spiritomb to play around with.

Float stone is probably what I want to add most. Bursting Balloon is another good idea, I just don't know what's worth cutting for it. One point to note is that Bursting Balloon doesn't have any synergy with Spritomb, though, and doesn't really help my win condition.

What do you mean by base Trevenant? XY? Because that's rotated. Hammers are a good idea. I thought long and hard about DCE, but I'm not sure how much I like the idea with all the special energy hate going around in the format. Trevenant is already a pretty slow card, it can't afford to get slowed down any more.

Is it normal that Bursting Balloon doesn't do anything to pokemon supported by Magearna's effect or immune to attacks from EX pokemon (when used on EX pokemon)?

I've noticed the description of both effects only take into account attacks from the other pokemon, but for some reason bursting the balloon doesn't do anything to my pokemon. Is bursting it officially considered an attack from the opponent pokemon or is the game just broken on that aspect?

>>28285065

I think it's a bug currently. At least that was my impression.

>>28285086
I think so too, especially because I've had my carbink kill many pokemon because people thought the balloon would defend them

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Bretty good.

>>28285121
>>28285065

From their "known issues" page

>Damage counters placed by a retaliation Ability or effect are being incorrectly processed as damage from an attack.

>>28273539
I use it on my bulky guys because I have no EXs yet.

>>28285173
I've won matches with shit luck by attaching lucky helmet to Conkeldurr and stapling all the Fighting energies to him

All of them.

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>>28284961
Did not work, thanks anyways.

>>28285632
Have you tried opening the client as administrator?

>>28285674
Yes, tried all of the things I can think of.
Weird thing is that sometimes It loads and I can enter the game, but like 90% of the time it's just stuck there at 8% loading.

Can someone explain how to figure out the values of different packs/cards for trading? Every tike I try looking it up online I can only find complex looking charts with numbers and letters that I can't figure out how to interpret. I'd appreciate it because I have packs I'd like to trade.

>>28285707
I got the exact same issue. I still got it happen now, it did go better once I forwarded ports and ran the game as admin.

Try forwarding 5222,8181,39389 both in windows and in your router. After doing this only in the router it went down from 90% to 20% of the time.

Where's the best place to buy individual (physical) TCG cards? Toywiz seems like a giant crock of shit.

>>28286125
TCGplayer, TrollAndToad, eBay

>>28286141
TCGPlayer is perfect, thank you

Where's the best place to buy pack codes ?

>>28285820
Didn't work either, I was happy for a moment since it loaded the first time,but after testing a bit it loaded 2 out of 15 times.
Thanks for the help anyways anon.

I can never remember Zorua or Zoroark's name while deck building, so instead I search for Dark Edge. What a hilarious attack name.

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I got the help I wanted from my earlier post so here are my codes, first come first serve and if you wanna post a pic of your pulls or whatever thatd be cool

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got a lot btw

>>28287245
checked that beard yo, also thanks for the pack

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more and more to come

So what was the purpose of printing another Garbodor that is 99% the same as the previous one instead of just reprinting the old one? I wanted to pick up some nice secret rares but noticed last second that they weren't the exact same Garbodor.

Hello.

After trying some things with the few things I have this is the best thing that I could make, not that is very original, but I guess above 50% win ratio is enough... I guess.

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******


##Pokémon - 18


* 4 Ralts BKT 100

* 2 Kirlia AOR 53

* 2 Gardevoir AOR 54
* 3 Gallade BKT 84


* 3 Gible BKP 68

* 1 Gabite BKP 69

* 3 Garchomp BKP 70
##Trainer Cards - 31


* 3 Rare Candy PRC 135

* 2 Switch BCR 135

* 4 Trainers' Mail ROS 92

* 3 Ultra Ball DEX 102

* 2 Level Ball AOR 76

* 2 Super Rod BKT 149

* 3 Scorched Earth FAC 110

* 1 Pokémon Fan Club FLF 94

* 1 Lysandre FLF 90

* 1 Giovanni's Scheme BKT 138

* 1 Teammates PRC 141

* 2 Professor Sycamore PHF 101

* 2 Shauna XY 127

* 4 VS Seeker PHF 109
##Energy - 11


* 2 Strong Energy FFI 104

* 2 Double Colorless Energy XY 130


* 7 Fighting Energy Energy 6


Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******


But regardless of how I play, I struggle a lot against Yveltal EX Decks (they're absurdly fast) or MMewtwo. Any advice to fix it? I know I should had at least a Shaymin EX here but I can't afford it; that's why I'm using Scorched Earth.

Sorry for no picture.

>>28287487

jewing

>"Garbodor is going to be everywhere!"
>Run decks that aren't affected by Garbodor that much
>Only Five games out of how many ever I played on the ladder ran it

Why did you guys lie to me

>>28287487
>buying secret rare cards

>>28287563
>Believing literally anything you read on /vp/

I got 20 ss packs from hustling and I was wondering what good rare sleeves or deck boxes should I get

>>28287670

all of the elite trainer sleeves and deckboxes are pretty neat

>it's a run 12 energy and fail a turn 1 max elixir game

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>>28287606
>playing with commons

>>28287670
Personally I think most of the nicer sleeves out there look stupid. Too many fanboy pokemon sleeves out there and not much with basic things like type designs. I personally use the old black sleeves with the red R from the team rocket release back in the day. my box is a personal gift a friend made but id look on etsy for some decent unique deck boxes

>>28287563
Scizor deck runs it.
Darkrai-Giratina deck runs it.
Mewtwo deck runs it.

Those three are the best decks in the current format (not counting Rayquaza).

Sure a lot of tier 2 and tier 3 decks dont use Garbodor, but because of they are used in the tier 1 decks in the format the decks that rely on abilities like Yanmega BREAK and Greninja BREAK are useless since they instalose to Garbodor.

>playing tournament
>it's another greninja mirror match oh boy
>retard fucking puts up rough waters
>literally just a matter of who gets some hexer card or some shit to win
>he uses them like a retard
>I eventually notice he's a slow turn user so I'll time him out because he decided to be a cunt in chat too
>have 3-4 mins left in time
>I fucking get a defeat at the end of the game despite 3-4 mins of time left on MY side

Holy shit does this game make me mad at times. If my timer is actually wrong then actually fix the fucking UI, and even then it should NEVER be a whole fucking 3-4 minutes wrong.
That's just bullshit.

>>28287678

thanks man, didn't get anything neat though

>>28273845
You can always give out your nudes for 20 Cent codes :^)

>>28287766
Did ptcg femanon post her ign?

>>28287780
Stop posting ::( I am in the middle of a game :(

>>28287780

no clue what that second letter/number is

>>28287780
did someone get this? I can't read half of it

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>>28287733
>mfw determined to find a way to shove Garbodor in Rayquaza

>>28287733
My Scizor doesn't run it and so far I don't miss it. I have yet to lose to energy denial Scizor with it too.

>>28273539
>>28273589

Pokemon's different from other TCGs. It's got so much card draw and so much searching, that the biggest issue is doing it all fast enough. A card that doesn't draw you anything until the end of your opponents next turn just isn't good enough for pokemon.

>>28287930
You faggots are fucking fast.

Woah, you guys are fast.

>>28287857
Look at you being a special snowflake. But most lists I've seen discussed have included a 2-2 line because there's no reason not to.

>>28288005
>>28287977

two straight times I've got the checkmark and when I hit claim now it's already been redeemed lmao

Where do you buy your codes?

>>28287836
Its not worth it.

>>28287857
Without Garbodor the deck loses against Greninja BREAK and Giratina-EX

Even if you run Hex you cant 1HKO Giratina-EX and you will end up losing.

Without Garbodor Greninja BREAK has enough damage to beat you easily.


A 3-3 Mega Scizor, 2 Shaymin, 1 Hoopa and 2-2 Garbodor only loses against Volcanion decks right now. Everything else you beat easily.

If you dont play the Garbodor you add Giratina-Darkrai, Yanmega BREAK and Greninja BREAK to the list of decks that can beat you.

>>28288051
Still nothing

>codes being redeemed in under 15 seconds

'kay.

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:)

>>28288085
Its likely all the same autist snatching all the codes.

>>28288105
Fuck that guy.

>>28288105
I'd commend him for his speed.

>>28288105
probably, not one booster screenshot in a dozen codes

>>28288138
>Already claimed
>posted 29 seconds ago.

Woah.

>>28288164

>29 seconds

you literally need to have the code typed out and hit claim in under 7 seconds

>>28287782
Nope she avoided doing that

>Rainbow Force Xerneas is now $10

well fuck me
I don't know what to play now because I sure as fuck don't want to pay $40 for a playset of a situational holo rare

not gonna lie I feel pretty shitty that all these codes im posting are gettting claimed by what I can assume is one solo person who refuses to even post any pics of pulls. kind of fucked

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What do I do with these?

These are fucking used, no way anyone is that fast, literally claimed in 4 seconds

>>28288219
what are these boosters which dont say what pack they come from?

>>28288239
I got the AO one. Pulls later obviously since I want to try more.

>>28288246
give them to me

>>28288237
If $40 was holding you back, this isn't the format for you, buddy.

>>28288239
I got the first few that you put up cause nobody was around for those, same as >>28288256
trying to get more if I could, ill open them but might want to save a few for trades

What are some obscure TCG sites where I can buy things? Like ones that wouldn't keep track of card spikes

>>28288239
I'm not even trying anymore.
What about some kind of contest or anything?

>>28288284
>jewing gift packs

>>28288248
I saw a green tick and then it was claimed.
Its legit trust me.

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>>28288004
Except Magearna blocks your biggest issue aside from Volcanion, non-Mega Mewtwo spreading Damage Change around without a need to use a stadium. Garbodor doesn't stop Volcanion from curbstomping you. So far this has been more consistent than relying solely on ability lock and hammer coin flips.

>>28288060
Greninja is nowhere near as common as it was outside of terrible budget builds.
You're assuming the Giratina player draws perfect DDEs on demand while I don't draw perfect Hex/Ace. Sure it's not the easiest but I'll gladly trade an easier time with the two most common decks around for it.
>Yanmega Break
Still loses to chained Hexs, which you assume I never will get while they get flawless evolutions and hand management. Weavile also forces the 3HKO.

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RS I got from earlier

>>28288278
$40 isn't what's hoding me back
I'll happily pay $15 or more for an FA EX
but not for a fucking holo rare that was $0.99 like 2 weeks ago and will be again after a couple months

>>28288302
aight fuck it ill open all of them, I got the first 7

>>28288329
...I got one...

I'm giddy

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last one I got, thanks for the help guys

>>28288312
That scizor list is fucking awful.

too many energies

FOUR FUCKING MAX ELIXIR IN A DECK WHERE YOUR MAIN ATTACKER IS AN EVOLUTION THAT ATTACKS WITH 2 FUCKING ENERGY

REVERSE FUCKING VALLEY


YOU ARE A SHITTER

>>28288285
Haha good luck. Your best bet is your local game store

>>28288312
>4 max elixir on a mega deck
>no trainers mail
>9 energy
>klefki
>4 balloons
>only 3 sycamore


wew lad


My list is 1000x more consistant: >>28272696

>>28288371

Thanks for the CharEX mate.

>>28288312
where are your crushing hammers?

>>28288382
I'm assuming it is for speeding up the game