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>>28226632
I fucking hate this card.

>no thread title

you dun fucked up

Reposting:

I just won the Shaymin lottery so I have one extra Shamin I can trade away.

Im going to trade it to the person that gives the best offer here in the next 100 minutes.

So far this anon is winning: >>28225439

>current extended challenge is getting prize cards
>all these scrubs conceding after take down 2 or 3 of their mons

reeeeee

>>28226706
I'll give you a hug and a reach around.

>>28226706
that's me

add me on ptcgo my id is dogars

i'll add a bunch of various packs too since i just won a tournament

Does anyone have a code for the Enchanted Echo deck? I got into the game just recently and didn't realize that it as going to disappear.

>>28226796

You don't want that deck.

>>28226832
Yeah it's probably shite, but there are no other fairy theme decks.

>>28226857
>probably shite

You'd be hard pressed to find a worse theme deck.

>>28226784
If you are still winning in 90 minutes the shaymin is yours.

How is Ocean's Core on the theme deck tier list? It's the one I have

What's a good deck to buy irl for fighting type?

>>28226910
for expanded, play donphan

in standard, try zygarde / regirock (make your own list, you really need to know the deck to play it), i used it as a meme deck and I could pick up a few easy wins

>>28226875
Damn. So I just scrape up a Standard deck?

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How can I improve my psychic challenge deck?

>almost about to finish last expanded challenge
>opponents start forfeiting the moment I'm even about to take a single prize.

Fucking hate this challenge.

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It's time.

>>28227073
>someone took the code in 35 seconds it was up

Holy shit dude.
Yeah, I don't know if I give that much of a fuck.

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>>28227073
Moar.

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>>28227102
>>28227098
Sorry.

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>>28227129
Four times the vode.

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>>28227149
5 burns me.

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>>28227129

woo lad

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>>28227179
6 is the finale.

>all claimed within seconds of posting
o-okay

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>>28227206
ty m8

>>28227222
sorry m8

>>28227206
>>28227189
>>28227179
>>28227149
>>28227129
>>28227102
>>28227073


THESE FAGGOTS ARE TO FUCKING FAST HOLLY SHIT

>>28227222
Sorry bud, love you though hugs and kissrs.

>>28227237

>he never took a typing class

you snooze you lose

>Manage to claim a code in one of these threads for the first time ever.

Never thought this moment would come.

>>28227206
Now I got to scan all 150+ codes gonna take me all night.

Is Malamar getting reprinted?

>>28227383
EX? no.

>>28227396
Good. I have terrible luck and this card was pretty annoying

1 hour left to get a Shaymin EX

Best bid so far is a few primes worth 20 packs.

>>28227452
21 packs...

>>28227465
You are the winner so far.

If no one gives a better offer in the next 50 minutes the Shaymin is yours.

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>>28227452
>>28227465

my offer

>>28227574
I'm >>28227465
I don't need it. The other guy can have it, it's just kind of low to sell for 20. But hey, your shaymin.

I pulled a Magearna EX out of SS today. Should I see what I could get at a game store this week or just keep buying packs for garbage?

I already have a Steam box, should I buy a different box? I'd prefer to not open generations packs because collectors.

has anyone seen the snorlax/pikachu bread promos that were released in japan yesterday yet?

scrub here

Kind of wondering what the meta surrounding the muscle band and hard charm is right now. They're kind of useful early on in the match when both players only have 50-100 HP mons out, but they seem pretty useless now that EXs are a thing.

Should I just ditch them?

>>28227804

It's all about hitting damage thresholds. Muscle band is pointless if you're hitting for whatever damage you already need to hit for. But usually it pushes you past a crucial number that you need to hit.

>>28227804
The idea is that your 160HP pokemon now has 200, and your opponent's 180 damage attack now doesn't OHKO you.

>>28227804
They've rotated out of standard

Now that the dust has settled, was BREAK a meme?

>>28227947
Depends on SM1.

If they have BREAK cards they probably will be in the TCG for a long time.

>>28227574
13 Steam Siege
2 Roaring Sky
4 Primal Clash
1 XY Breakthrough
3 Fates Collide

This isn't nearly high enough trade for the Shaymin market price

REEEE STOP FUCKING QUITTING BEFORE I CAN GET THE LAST PRIZE CARD YOU FUCKS

>>28228060
I dont care for the market price.

I just want to make some anon happy.

You are winning btw, 21 minutes to go and its yours.

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To anyone who's bought this, what do you get with it when you redeem the code?
All the other elite trainer boxes give only sleeves and the deck box, but I think this one comes with a coin? Can anyone confirm?

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>>28228065
I know that feel anon, I would always get someone to the point where I was going to win and then they'd forfeit.

I lost potential like 40+ prize cards because of it. This challenge was... Torture. I managed to do it though.

On another note, who wants to critique my mawile deck?
I'm thinking of maybe adding a Hexer or something.

>>28228060
welp rip my shaymin dream (I'm >>28227588)

i'll add a full art wally (3 packs) and a fa pikachu and fa reshiram (1 pack each)

my offer is now ~31 packs

primes (20p total)
6 individual packs
full arts (5p total)

>>28228282
I think I could counter this offer but I'd rather have just done this trade in packs since I'd rather not gut my deck for Shaymin.

I'll get the packs needed for a legit Shaymin sometime in the future.

anybody have team magma cards they're willing to trade?

how low could I get full art Ns for?

Also no one is selling me zoroark + its prevo for 1 ss. Is it really more?

>>28228542
the physical zoroark card is almost 10$

it usually sells for 1.5 packs

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>see everyone is hyping up M-Gardevoir for the next Standard
>the typical Pokemon-base is a 4-4 M-Gardevoir-EX line, 4 Shaymin-EX and one or two Hoopa-EX
>people will STILL argue that Standard isn't just EX spam
>people seriously think Solgaleo-GX won't be a £40 staple people run at least 2 of in every single deck
>people think they aren't ditching BREAKs and Mega Evolutions in S/M for MUH GX SPAM

How can you support this company?

>>28228715
The worst part about all these new players are the weak bait posts
This isn't /v/, stop trying to force memes, no one here cares

>>28228207

Re-plugging my Mawile deck.
Anyone have some serious thoughts and opinions?

I've really bee considering adding another Skyla and possibly adding a Hexer.

>>28228715
What are the Standard equivalent of Expanded's Bouffalant and Lugia kebab removal force?

>nobody will trade a yanmega break for my 4x yanmegas

comon now the card isn't even good in standard

>>28228836
I thought lugia was the standard bouffalant. Did it get rotated too?

so for the tournment, do you have to stay for the entire thing?
i lost first round for the standard tourney so i just left
i sure hope i get something cuz that was 24 tickets

>>28228980
You get your prize after the entire tournament finishes.

>>28228961
Okay, yeah, Lugia is standard, my bad. I've been playing my Expanded deck all day, and just got my first Lugia from today's daily reward pack (which, upon retrospect, was Fates Collide), so I got mixed up.

>>28228980
Don't leave the tournament until prizes are given out- once you're knocked out, you can get back to using the rest of the client as normal, including entering other battles, and wait for the prizes to be distributed once the tourney finishes.

>>28226632
Can someone explain me if its true that you cannot use Pokémons cards from older expansions other than ones officially decided? Who say this? Is this a rule? How old must be a card to be considered banned? What do you think about this? Im not a TCG gamer, never played

>>28227694
Those game stores are worse scamers than those weird Yu-Gi-Oh! Players. Sell it on the internet or keep it in your trade binder.

>>28229037
There are different formats.

theme = theme decks only
standard = new cards in rotation
expanded = newish cards
legacy = oldish cards
unlimited = any cards (except a few)

This is done for balancing reasons and to give you a reason to buy new cards. MTG does this too. I'm not sure if YGO does this though but YGO does have an extensive ban list.

>>28229037
Pokemon has been using a rotation system like Magic's since Gen I.
Every year on Sept 1st, the oldest packs in the format become illegal to offset the packs added in throughout the year. Normally 3-5 packs rotate out at a time, and each format has 8-15 legal packs in it. This means any given pack has a shelf life of 2~3 years. You can find this list on the official website and Bulbapedia.

Since physical card games cannot be "patched" easily or constantly, they normally employ some sort of balancing system. A rotation is one such system; other card games use a banlist, like Yugioh to name an example. There are many different systems, but a rotation is the most popular.

Each system has its own pros and cons. The main con of a rotation is that you have to buy a deck every two or so years. The advantage is that the card pool stays concise, allowing for a much more balanced meta and virtually eliminating in-format power creep, and that the card schedule is static, which removes any subjective surprises and gives players an exact idea of what to expect in the coming years.

>4 tickets left
>enter tourney
>disconnect first round

FUCK

what's good to use with raticate break?

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>Just opened this from my weekly pack.

While it is from a locked pack, I already have 4 tradable copies.

So yeah, I'm gonna flip this shit for something.

>>28229204
ariados.

>>28228715
Standard has been EX spam for five years you mongoloid. Last season was the only exception.

When are the first Sun/Moon decks coming out?

Also, I got a Mew, which appears to be the same as MewEX but less so. Is it worth running with only 50hp?

>>28229167
>This means any given pack has a shelf life of 2~3 years.
>The main con of a rotation is that you have to buy a deck every two or so years
>MTG sets barely last a little over a year now
Modern MTG has turned into such a fucking scam

>>28229249
Don't make that one guy start posting pictures of bad EX. Won't you look ridiculous then

>>28229255
December at the earliest

Why are some cards, there's a slight coloring error like one being darker than another. I have two leafeon's and i couldn't tell if one was shiny. Another is a krabby with a much darker red than orange.

>>28229127
>>28229167
Thank you. It seems way more expensive to play this than yugioh. It only seems, i dont know if ptcg Can reach prices like 120 bucks for a card

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>>28229210
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>28229296
Pokemon is actually a very cheap game compared to other TCGs.

The most expensive card in the format is Shaymin at $40-$60 each.
The next most expensive card is $15. Shaymin is an exception.
Your average Tier 1 deck will run you between $150 and $250. By excluding Shaymin, which you'll want to do if you only play locals, you'll more than halve that cost.

>>28229296
Pokemon TCG is pretty cheap compared to YGO or Magic.

YGO is free anyways if you're like me and don't care about IRL cards and just play YGOPRO.

>>28229276
Well, when the <5% of EXs are actually usable are getting btfo in every Standard tournament, it's kind of silly to think they're inherently better.

>>28229449
Standard changed anon.

There is no more Nightmarch, no more Trevenant and Greninja is tier 3 at best thanks to Garbodor.


Now its all about EXs with Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Darkrai, Giratina and Scizor being the best of the best.

>>28229519
Spare some knowledge about scizor?
I don't know why it is in so much demand right now?

>Weavile can't remove Scizor spirit links

Cool devs. Can they program anything properly?

>>28229028
You can leave the tournament as soon as you're knocked out and even join another tournament.

You'll still get your prizes.
I did that a lot for theme tournaments since they were faster.

>>28229519
Well, that old discussion was about EXs on a whole just being better than non-EX decks. Which is still a silly thing to say.

>>28229547
Scizor wrecks everyones shit except for Volcanion.

The meta revolves around stadium control, special energy and EXs

Scizor makes the enemy discard special energy or stadium and 2 shots everything in the game.

Add some hammers and you will be denying the enemy till they ragequit.

>>28229635
I like Scizor/balloons with Weavile better. Your opponent simply can't attack you.

>>28229674
Scizor EX isn't a very good card on its own.

>>28229592
>it works when I try it again in deck test

What the actual fuck happened? I could not remove the spirit link but removing balloons worked fine.

>>28229635
So I have a scizor-ex scizor-ex
is 1-1 pair okay or I should collect more of these?
like 4-4?

>>28229745
3-3

With 2 Shaymin, 1 Hoopa and 2-2 Garbodor

4 Enhanced Hammers
2 Mega Turbos
3 Float Stones
3 Spirit Links

and the staple trainers

>>28229696
You pair it with Weavile and juggle spirit links/float stones/balloons/Klefki. You can also abuse Magearna's ability this way.

>>28229787
Scizor EX only does 110 damage with a fair amount of setup and nothing else. When it comes to simply doing damage, there are other better cards for the job. Notice that the problem here isn't your Weavile/Balloon meme combo, it's Scizor specifically that has no inherent synergy or benefit in this matchup.

>>28229774
Thanks.

>>28229623
>You can get a card that needs you to evolve it and three energies to do something
>Or you can get a stronger card that still needs three energies but you can play as a basic pokemon
You don't need to be a genius to see why one card type is better than the rest. Exceptions be damned.

One extra prize doesn't matter when you're cutting the amount of support cards you need to set up by less than half the original amount AND getting a generally stronger pokemon.

>>28229825
What are you talking about?
>120 plus energy discard/stadium discard
>balloon hits for 60, meaning 180
>either they FFB up, use a mega (for which you have Klefki), or kill themselves to hit you
>if they Lysandre they're dead anyway, if they switch and attack the new mon is dead
>Magearna blocks Mewtwo from hurting you with Damage Change

I'm running a similar build with SS Gard, it's surprisingly effective. I wonder how long it'll be before people stop attacking into Klefki.

>>28229878
>You can get a card that needs you to evolve it and three energies to do something
>Or you can get a stronger card that still needs three energies but you can play as a basic pokemon
Well, how do you explain last format where we saw Night March, Trev, Greninja, Vespiquen/Vileplume, Yanmega, and a handful of others destroying EXs? Don't objective tournament results completely invalidate your argument?

It doesn't matter that most of those decks rotated out - the point here is you're saying that EXs are inherently better, but we just left a format where they weren't. Something doesn't add up, right?

And to better explain my point, sure, Rayquaza and Mewtwo and the rest you listed in your last post are strong and arguably the best right now, but imagine if we were to make an overall list ranking every single card/evo line from best to worst. There would be a very fair amount of non-EX Pokemon above virtually every EX Pokemon.

The statement shouldn't be
>EX Pokemon are inherently better
but instead
>Right now is an EX-heavy format
since saying otherwise would be to ignore the 100+ unusable EX Pokemon that make up the overwhelming majority of the mechanic.

>>28229947
There's a misunderstanding is all, I thought he meant he was running Scizor EX without the Mega. My post was in regards to just Scizor.

>>28226632
How do i level up in this game?

I should not open any booster till i level up?

>>28230148
>How do i level up in this game?
Finishing daily quests

>I should not open any booster till i level up?
All leveling up does is
>unlock flip coins/deckboxes/sleeves
>allow you to have more/better daily rewards
>dailies eventually reward tradable packs

>>28230148
Level up by completing challenges.
If the packs are trade-locked, just open them; if they're tradable, save them so you can trade for deckbuilding staples. Roaring Skies packs are worth the most.

>>28230180
>>28230183
Alright, thanks.

>25 packs of steam siege
Should I open them all? Or actually try and build a deck?

>>28230288
If you build a deck, you can win tournaments to win more packs.

>>28230300
Should I go for the shaymin ex build or try with something I have?

>>28229337
Shut up and enjoy your Shaymeme you faggot.

>got gold potion from the BC packs and not computer search

Fuck, that could have been 10 packs.

Is mega rayquaza scummy? I keep getting hate like I'm playing NM

Does Ranger stop Garbotoxin?

>>28230742
no but hex maniac does

>>28230738
It wasn't "scummy" for the past year it's been out.
But surprise surprise, the same people who were calling Night March cancer are sudden going to start calling this format's Tier 1 decks the same thing. Who could have seen that coming?

>>28230787
Thanks for tip

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What did I do to deserve this?

>>28231172
>N
What's wrong?

>>28231189
opening hand
Mulliganed into just shaymin, mega turbo, and energies

>>28230806
Mega Ray is scummy in the same sense night March was. Turns that take forever, completely boring to face and overall bad for the format.

>>28231733
Except no one was saying that a month ago. Or three months ago. Or a year ago. Even when RS was introduced and Shaymin got LTC banned, NO ONE said M Ray was a problem or scummy or cancer.

The only thing that's changed is that M Ray is top tier now. Which is enough for you fucks.

New player here: Is shaymeme going to be reprinted?
Should I just pony up and buy two for $70?

>>28231862
Yeah that's the best thing you can do since paying $35 for a Shaymin is a steal.

>>28231862
It wont be reprinted.

Can someone post a standard dark deck?
Yveltal/Darkrai ish?

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Help me fix this. I want to play it IRL but PTCGO keeps bricking me making it hard to test.
I know it needs another Shaymin, I have 2 but I don't have a second online.

>>28232388
Build it yourself. The deck leaves little to the imagination.

>>28232498
Your ratios are wonky. Four energies is a LOT and you simply don't have a way of actually accelerating them, even considering P Kyogre's trait. This goes double for after you attack; don't forget that moving the energies is mandatory, meaning you need six energies on the field minimum to juggle two Kyogres.

Mega Turbo should be maxed, or there should be more Energy Switch or some way of getting two energies in hand to insure the trait goes off. You don't need Ranger here.

>>28231757
nah it's always been a pain to sit through a long first turn. Especially if the opponent is slow about it. it's just that before NM was prevalent and every noob got recommended it as a cheap starter deck so it was everywhere. MRay isn't that bad yet, but the more I see it the more I start to dread the inevitable five minutes before I get to play.

It's the prevalence rather than the tier that ups the hate-on.

>>28232521
Hi I'm mentally retarded and need hand holding please just post it.

>>28226632

I've seen this card a few times but I've never seen it used effectively, is it actually good and the people I'm against just don't have well-made decks?

>>28232551
Four energies?

just picked up again after a year or so of not playing TCGO.

Running expanded and winning a decent number of my Vs. matches, starting to get a small pile of packs, coins, and tickets.

What should I do now? Enter tournaments? How do I know if I'm ready?

why is everybody all up on Ancient Origins dick now?

>>28232870
Giratina

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>>28232882

>Full Art is going for $30 now

Is this real fucking life??

>>28232882
And Hoopa.

>>28232870
Giratina-EX
Hoopa-EX
Sceptile-EX
M Sceptile-EX
Lugia-EX
SR M Rayquaza-EX

Entei
Vespiquen
Vileplume
Ariados
Regice

Forest of Giant Plants
Hex Maniac
Level Ball
Lysandre
SR Trainers Mail
The chance of getting something useful when opening a pack is WAY higher than any other current standard set that usually only have 1 or 2 useful EXs.

>>28233010

I literally have piles and piles of those non-EX cards. Can I make some decent decks out of them?

>>28233046
I can tell you from experience that Ariados is a pain in the dick to go up against without protection against eternal poisoning.

>>28232644
I saw it almost be effective, but it can't do shit to people with nurses or good abilities. My deck is pretty bad, so I guess it's actually bad since I haven't lost to it yet

>>28232581
This.

>>28233046
Ariados goes in the M Sceptile-EX decks.

Vespiquen goes in the Yanmega BREAK decks.

Vileplume doesnt really have a partner right now but will probably see use in the future once we get more sets.

Entei is used in the Flareon-EX decks and Volcanion decks.

Regice is used in the Water decks with Glaceon-EX, Manaphy-EX and Articuno.

>>28232919
>FA Hoopa last AO card I need for a complete set
>one of the few cards that skyrocketed in price and demand

Maybe I'll weigh some more AO, my stores still have them. The EX rate in that set is high, at least it's been for me. I got like 4 FA Rays from it.

>>28233068
Go to bed awost

>>28233103

wait, that stupid fucking kawaii Flareon from Generations is actually useful??

>>28233138
I don't know who that is, I'm just here to see what cards are popular

>>28233161
Yes unlike your brain cells

>>28233135
>being a pack weighing shitter

>>28233135
How does it feel to steal from children

>>28233161
Yes, its the best fire deck atm.

>>28233192
>wasting money
There's no reason to buy single blisters otherwise. On average you save more money than buying singles.
>but muh morality
It happened to you and me when we were kids, and it happens to kids now. If I don't someone else will, I know a ton from league, some even kids.

>>28233236
>other people do it, that makes it okay!

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Any improvements on this?
I'm getting dicked by mewtwo garbador left and right.

Guys how useful is Pokemon Ranger going to be? I need to know before getting one.

>>28233271
Best advice I can give you?

Lube up.

Also stop playing Ninetales in Garbo's junkyard.

>>28233286
Let's you beat giratina with decks that would taken an auto loss to it. Depends on deck.

>>28233286
If your deck is walled by Jolteon-EX, Glaceon-EX, Regice, Giratina-EX, or stardust Jirachi, Ranger is useful.

>>28233255
Yeah, it does, bitch. It's only an issue if you resell hololess packs and don't label them as such. Nobody but self-righteous moralfags care otherwise.

>>28233271
Stop getting decks off youtube.

>>28233333
ayyyy

>>28233340
Don't know what else to do family

>>28233236
YOU WOULDN'T WEIGH A CAR

Are generations packs still approx 1:1 value with STS?

>>28233340
>unironically justifying theft

>>28233340
Nice aggression dude. Your defensive stance just proves you know you're doing something wrong.

>>28233362
Copy decks that kick your ass or go to charizardlounge.

>>28233397
>thinking calculated purchases is theft
Sorry you're retarded. You buy your coffee at starbucks every morning too?

>28233397
bad bait, have half a (you)
>>28233401
These threads don't even truly house collectors anymore. I'm pointing out why you retards are retarded.

>>28233449
>calculated purchases
So that's what the youths are calling it these days.

21 STS and 20 generations.

What combination of these = shaman-ex?

Need one more of the stupid bitch.

>>28233271
M Ray isnt rocket science moron.

You try to make up stuff and you make the deck slower and M Ray is all about speed to set up and hit for 240 turn 1 or 2 at most.

the deck should be something like:

Pokemon:15
3-3 Ray
4 Shaymin (4 IS A MUST)
2 Hoopa
3 Jolteon

Energy: 8
4 DCE
4 Electric Energy

Other: 9
3 Links
2 Float Stones
4 Sky Field

Supporter: 11
4 Sycamore
3 N
2 Lysandre
1 Hex Maniac
1 Ranger

Item: 17
4 Puzzle of Time
4 VS Seeker
4 Ultra Ball
4 Mega Turbo
1 Super Rod
You can remove 1 Jolteon and 1 Mega Turbo to add a 1-1 line of Zoroark but other than that the list shouldnt be touched.

>>28233592
Im running this list except I removed 1 Sycamore 1 N 1 Mega Turbo and 1 VS Seeker to add 4 Trainers Mail btw.

>>28233561
Shaymin is currently around 20-22 RS.

20 SS = 10 RS
20 Gen = 13 RS


Probably 20 Gen and 14-18 SS will get you a Shaymin-EX.

It will be hard though. People usually want to be given just only one type of pack when dealing with high value cards.

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>>28233592
well shit

>>28233592
are puzzle of times actually good, they seem so jank to me

how do I decide which kind of deck to make? (TCGO)

>>28233975
what cards do you like?

>>28233947
Depends on the deck.

On M-Ray is useful since you end up discarding lot of stuff to go through your deck and you might need those things later.

Its also needed to comeback if your opponent throws a parallel city.


I played a lot of M Ray and many times having 2 puzzles of times on my hand let me won the game by playing 2 cards from my discard pile.

Be it a mega Turbo + DCE
or Sky Field + Hoopa
Or a link + m ray
Or a lysandre + VS seeker to kill 2 shaymins in a row.

etc etc

its quite useful

>>28233747
Thank you

How many decent non-ex evolution decks are there in standard right now? I can only think of Greninja, Yanmega and maybe Delphox on a good day.

>>28234119
None.

Greninja and Yanmega get fucked by Garbodor.

>>28234147
Well that sucks, and from the look of things, Sun/Moon is probably going to be pushing GXs.

I hate to sound like an anti-EX fag, but I'd really like some more playable non-EX evolutions. All of my main decks are EX focused, but I'd like to switch it up a little just for fun.

>>28234031
I dunno, I'm using gyarados/milotic/bouffalant/zekrom right now in expanded, it's all the best cards I have basically. Open to anything.

>get tired of basic blue grinding the ladder
>decide to use BW: basic orange
>actually winning

>>28233592
>>28233884
Jolteon isn't that hot from my opinion. Pre-rotation, sure, it was the best option to combat Night March. But now that NM is gone I'd rather use those slots for some non-EX alternative attackers: Zoroark, Regice, maybe Raichu? Helps the prize trade, etc.

>>28232055
A tin maybe?

>>28234536
Ray deck doesnt need other attackers.

Jolteon is there because of the free retreat cost, in over 100 games I havent attacked even once with Jolteon.

A free retreat cost makes the deck less dependant on float stone.

If you start with shit like Zorua, Regice or Pikachu you need to get a float stone to be able to attack with Rayquaza.

If start with Jolteon you arent so dependant on the float stone.


Besides, Jolteon can be Hoopa´d to fill the bench quickly and the others cant.

>>28234119
Ranging from potentially Tiered this format to borderline unusable:
>Xerneas Break*
>Rainbow Force Xerneas*
>Yveltal/Zoroark*
>Volcanion/Firebox*
>Serperior
>Toxicroak/Ariados
>Magnezone/X
>Carbink/X*
>Vileplume/X
>Excadrill/Eons
>Fossils
>Swampert/Octillery
>Snorlax/Hypno
>Raichu/X
>Typhlosion Donk
>Talonflame Break
>Raticate/Ariados
And this is off the top of my head, there are many more.
The ones with * are the ones most likely to actually have a significant meta presence.
We won't really know for several months since almost all upcoming tournaments are Expanded, iirc.

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Let's all weigh in on this guy.

Game changer, right?

>>28234900
Still not edgy enough.

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>tfw you have 4 shay fa since RS launched

>>28234900
The card's a year old, you know.

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>mfw automating jewery

As an aside, if you can get Generations codes for less than a buck ten or Double Crisis for less than AO (equivalent trade value), take those instead. AO is apparently the most consistently value pack.

>>28235061
>liking FA cards

They look like shit anon, RA cards look 1000x better than their FA counterparts.

>>28235095
Fuck, and only now I realised it's mislabelled. That's adjusted pack value for those people who put value tiers on cards (like many trading companies), not actual packs per $.

>>28235106
>Having shit taste

>>28235148
You are the one with shit taste.

more expensive doesnt always equate to better looking

The vast majority of FA cards look worse than the RA counterparts.

>>28235179
I feel that no answer will satisfy you, so here is your (you)

>>28227987
My yanmega is mememaster

>>28228955
Then why do you *even* want them .

>>28235061
FA art is more fugable

>>28235179
Honestly, the only card that has a worse looking FA, in my opinion, is Hoopa.

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>>28235610

>>28235744
That's good art, though. It's really a shame they gave it to the wrong Articuno.

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Is this a good card?

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>>28235349
It's just too bad that the OTHER Shaymin EX has the most fuggable art of all the Shaymin cards. Just look at that suave fucker.

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>Playing Yanmega Break
>Two out of three opponents so far tonight concede at turn two after I swing for 100-120

Love this fucker. I'm also loving not seeing Garbodor everywhere in Expanded.

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>>28236257
>Just happened a third time

Goddammit. This deck is too much for me.

>>28236257
Post your list, I'm curious.

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>>28236436
It's not perfect, but it works. I was running two Battle Compressors, but just took one out a day or two ago when I picked up the second Shaymin. I'll pobably switch in the second Battle Compressor for a Bursting Balloon or maybe an Unown.

I have a post-rotation Standard variant in which I just took out Az and the Compressor.

In all honesty, those were decently lucky starting hands in which I was able to Shaymin into Sycamore/N on turn one. It's certainly not every match I can pull off the first turn swing, but it is fairly consistent with the amount of draw I have. I know the guy that won Seniors Class at Worlds was running 3 Shaymin, so I imagine his deck was even more consistent.

Since rotation I bumped into:
- several mill decks
- greninja
- primal groundoun
- metal without bronzong
- yveltal ex
I approve this meta.

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>>28235061
shaymin art:
shaymin EX RS > Shaymin EX(the other one) FA > Shaymin EX RS FA

I think the normal one looks way better compared to the FA version. I mean look at these fucking cherrytree foliage all over the card. Even the edges have are not yellow, but in the design of the card.

I will wait until this cards becomes legacy, then I will buy it just because it looks so good.

Pokemon cards are probably the best designed cards and are always worth collecting it, if you like art. Yugioh really needs to step their game up.

>>28237005
I'm planning to build a Scizor deck myself for standard, currently a little strapped pack wise because of buying greninja breaks though.

Waiting to see if Garbodor is as omnipresent as I thought it was going to be post rotation.

So far none.

>>28234206
It's not bad to want that. As a player since base set, the game has been largely shot since Gen 5, and the big basics meme largely contributes to this. It doesn't help that they nerfed rare candy for NO REASON

>>28237109

A lot of people complain about the big basics meme, but in my opinion it has made the game much more interesting. They've made the game faster, which has helped it competitively and casually, and the amount of deck space big basics usually free up make a big difference in deck building, allowing for more meaningful decisions players have to make when constructing their deck, leading to a higher skill ceiling.

>Enter Standard tournament
>Entry cost is 24 tickets
>Lose first match because they paired up against my worst match up

I want my tickets back, sent a report and everything

>>28237135

If that's true, why did pre gen 5 decks contain more complex engines and tech options? The cards themselves were also much more interesting. We're never going to see a Honchkrow type of card again, let alone anything as interesting as the delta species era cards. They chose to just start copying base set era mechanics, which is stupid cuz as anyone who played competitive back then can tell you, they were broken as shit. Juniper/Sycamore is busted. Lysandre? Also busted. Catcher more so, but that was another era.

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>>28235610
Ryota Murayama/ovopack Hoopa is best Hoopa.

>>28237195

You mean before HGSS, not before Gen 5. The game around Platinum release was great, but it was unsustainable. Decks around this time did have a lot of complexity because every card was overloaded compared to anything today. But compare HGSS to now. I'd much, much rather have what we have now with big basics then what came before, excluding that golden period I talked about.

>>28237239
Exactly what I meant. The FA isn't bad looking either, this art is just that much better.

>>28237256
HGSS was still better than gen 5. Yanmega prime, machamp prine Magnezone prime scizor prime etc

>>28237136
git gud

What you posted is actually my greatest fear. I plan to run greninja and I know the first match I'll run into will be a green deck with garbodor. I fucking KNOW it will be.

>>28237327
Honestly why bother? Garbodor will be everywhere, there's three decks that run it and they're all tier 1

>>28237256
>>28237195
They should really drop evolving and make EXs the new standard for regular pokemon. Nobody evolves their pokemon in the middle of battle, they bring in what they are gonna use, evolved or not.

>>28237371
>let's drop the only mechanic that ever made the game stand out from other tcgs

You disgust me anon

>>28237371(You)

>>28237348
Funnily enough I've managed to see no garbodors run in versus except for the ones I use in some of my decks.

But I know tournaments are different from normal games so I kind of expect the garbodors and don't even know if I should bother until I make the scizor deck.

>>28237431
That's a lie now.

I just ran into the FIRST opposing garbodor in several days in expanded and standard within a darkrai deck.

>>28237388
Evolving is just YGO's tribute mechanic. And, like the tribute mechanic, it's bad for the game itself due to the pacing issues it introduces. To put it simply, there is a reason why decks with evos have to put so much support to get their shit in and why so many of them look for ways to completely sidestep the process.

If All pokemon become basic pokemon balanced around the current power curve for EXs, it means that there will be a lot more space for trainer effects to do various things and for the game to properly expand; What, with decks having to devote a lot less space to filler and support cards that do nothing but set up pokemon.

>>28237109
>>28237135
Honestly, I'm pretty butthurt about Stage 2 Pokemon being shit, because the evolution mechanic in PTCG makes no sense and poorly implemented in the first place.

I wish eventually we'll have completely reworked system where everything is basically EX, something like this:
- every Pokemon card besides Megas/BREAKs is Basic
- first stage Pokemon in two-evolution family: 80-100HP, attack costs 1-2, common
- second stage Pokemon in two-evolution family and first stage Pokemon in one-evolution family:100-160HP, attack costs 2-4, uncommon+
- final stage Pokemon and "big basics" like legendaries: 180+ HP, attack costs 5+, rare+

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Anyone wanna give some thoughts/opinions on my current build?

Currently unsure what to add/cut after the removal of bands to make my greninjas hit harder.
I'm considering Hexer/Lysandre maybe?
If bursting balloons XY frog, and bands had all been removed at the same time, I dunno if I'd keep running this deck.

Currently have ultra balls as filler.

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>>28237265
Disregarding that I'm a fan of Ryota Murayama's works in general, the yellow/gold outlines on 5ban Graphics' full art ver. of Unbound Hoopa look really strange to me, and I overall think they make the card look worse. The rainbow background is a bit strange as well, but the reflection details on his rings and shoes are kinda cool I guess.

It's not terrible, but I think I actually prefer both of the regular print versions.

>>28237571
Agreed, more or less. I just don't like your numbers.

>>28237614
Why is there no wally?

>>28237637
I've been experimenting with no Wally deck after seeing the 2nd place Greninja deck ran absolutely no wally in their deck. Plus, I don't always evolve right away into greninja since I sometimes have to delay to set up my water clones.

I've had a pretty decent success with the deck with the current build. Wally might come back in just because ultra balls are probably usually worse.

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>>28237023
I do adore how some Pokemon TCG art, mostly the EXs, break the fourth wall and play around with elements of the card itself. The illustrations are designed around the card, rather than the more conventional method of having the artist make an illustration and framing it within the card.

Is there any other card games that did this shit?

>>28237625
I don't like them too, just tried to scale everything roughly to the current EX level, with no balance in mind.

>>28237614
Do you really need four N? Remember that you can VS Seeker for him as well if you've already used one. Maybe switch two N for two Lysandre?

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first pack of RS I've ever opened /vp/ what do I do now? I don't play Standard and just started playing ptcgo Wednesday

>>28237806
Uh, hold onto it for when you do move up to standard?

That is only one of the (at least two) you'll need to run to be competitive. So, get cracking on those packs.

>>28237801
The N is basically a safety feature I've found for the first three turn or two in case I have some horrible dogshit hand like 3 talonflames and 2 froakies with nothing to help me out.

I think I'd rather throw out the ultra balls to be honest.
Maybe throw away all the ultra balls in exchange for a hexer and 2 lysander?

Also really considering a Skyla as an emergency card for Garbodors/ex immune pokemon so I can force draw the appropriate card.

Speaking of, should I try running 2 pokemon rangers maybe?

>>28237499
>is just

They're similar ideas but have completely different executions

>>28237674
Pokémon TCG card art is definitely pretty sex. And I'm not just talking about Shaymin's ass either.
>>28237806
You should sell your lucky secrets to me, a Shaymin-poor/starved player that has to get by with Octillery.
>>28237899
That might be a good idea. Anything you'd want to get with an Ultra Ball can be gotten with a Dive Ball anyway. Won't be able to selectively discard useless Talonflame cards though.

>>28237806
I was just as lucky as you and opened a FA Shaymin-EX in my first pack too. I was a bit bummed that it was trade-locked but the card is pretty much necessary for building any deck later.

>>28237942
>pretty much

Operative words - Shaymin might as well be a meme to people who've learned how to build a deck that doesn't lack draw power

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How would LEGEND cards fare in today's meta?
Were any of them worth using in the first place?

What are some good decks I could run with Garb? I have Xerneas Break, MGard (both despair and arrow), Yveltal EX, Zoroark Break, Delphox Break, Zygarde EX, and a couple of other things. Nothing great, but I do really enjoy Despair Ray MGard. I was considering that with Florges with move cost reduction, but Garb just appeals to me.

>>28237986
There are so many tutor effects in this game, I don't even know why Shaymin is this important.

My problem since day one has never been getting the cards I need on my hand, just that the cards I've got are weak and my support pokemon few; so I get swept up by stronger cards with better support pokemon.

>>28237674
I think that the Unhinged/Unglued MTG sets did this as well.

>>28238163
unhinged and unglued were really a showcase of how fucking fun a TCG could potentially be if it embraced the fact that it is a TCG.

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>>28237998
>Were any of them worth using in the first place?
Yes, used this gem with Typhlosion and Emboar

>>28238244
I'm all for creative card design but...

Those un-sets are kinda shit. Just a bunch of boring, overplayed jokes about ccgs with an elemenary delivery. The cards don't play out in any fun or meaningful way, one of the most shit sets to draft in mtg history.
The un sets are only remembered or vaguely cared about because of the neat basic land they put in every pack.

>>28237986
Do you actually believe you're smarter than competitive players, dude? Think about this for a minute.

>>28238013
You build despair Ray much like ratquaza. Though the only meta decks you should expect to beat are giratina and mewtwo. Will probably fold to everything else.

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When does Generations come for PTCGO?

>>28238732
Nah man, he's learned how to take Greninja break all the way to worlds this year. You just wait.

>>28238771
Greninja break is a special case anon, don't go thinking it means no shaymin is viable for 99% of decks now

>>28238761
Uh...its been out for ages?

>>28238801
Nah man you just don't understand. Tierno is all you need in this post-rollerskate world.

>>28238620
As I said, they are a showcase of what you can do. They are just not functional, like most showcase things.

>>28238823
I'm new to this shit but I saw it was getting reprinted and all, so I know there's cards from generations out there, but I want to know if they will put the actual packs to purchase on the shop.

>>28238732
Most people are smarter than most competitive players. As only a few of them actually came up with the strategies everyone else is copying.

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>>28238124
>I don't even know why Shaymin is this important

By itself it is insanely strong. Drawing up to 6 cards from your deck is a great effect. For instance, this card was played when it was released during the Black and White era. It's Shaymin, but as a supporter card. It was never the preferred method of drawing, but decks would run them in low counts to supplement Juniper. Being a supporter, it's much, much weaker than Shaymin is.

Now think about the synergies that Shaymin has within the current meta. Ultra Ball was already a staple of decks before Shaymin - decks would rarely run less than 3. But add Shaymin into the mix, and Ultra Ball becomes so much more than what it currently is. It adds an insane amount of versatility to the card, allowing you to search for a pokemon or draw up to 6 cards. Now you have decks running 4 Ultra Ball nearly all the time because they've become incredible consistency cards. I don't think any player could count the number of times they would have had a dead hand if it had not been for an Ultra Ball. The end result is much faster decks with much higher consistency, which is the goal of 99% of decks (go fuck yourself wailord).

>>28238754
No idea how you'd build a Rayquaza deck, though. I've followed the advice in the general links, and just made decks of cards that I think could assist each other in a way that I play. Not too fussed about having the ultimate deck, just something that I could at least win a few games with that doesn't rely on a huge gimmick.

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Hey fampai I'm back with some codes for you all, I hope you all have a good day.

>>28239423
>all instantly redeemed
Holy hell guys.

>>28239529
this is the reason you don't post the QR code

>>28239546

I get plenty of them without people hiding the QR code.

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Was there ever a way of making this card viable? The ramp up time is pretty hefty and other than maybe Landorus (which just got rotated out) I don't see a way of getting all that energy up at a reasonable pace.

>>28238761
Buy the generations boxes/collections
:^)

>>28239654
They should have made it dual type so it was able to be fed by carbink break. What a missed opportunity

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>>28237998
>Were any of them worth using in the first place?
Suicune & Entei LEGEND was used in Cawthon's The Truth to take Master's Worlds. Sniping for 100 was pretty significant back then, which is why a lot of people ran Yanmega Prime.

In Unlimited (before Shiftry), pic related was very viable. Set it up with PHF Bronzong, then spam Time Control to mill your opponent and make it impossible for them to win.

Most of the LEGENDs ran into the same problems; you can only run 2 of each half since they have the same name, there was virtually no support for them outside of one Stadium, one Item, and a different Bronzong, and even if you got them out they all had an absurd energy cost compared to the rest of the format. They even came out in that sweet spot between Luxchomp and EXs.

>>28240396
> The Truth
Will we ever have a deck as based that was?

>>28240396
jesus this card sounds broken on paper

>>28240416
audino :^)

How good is that typhlosion meme deck?

>>28235833
No

>>28240605
extremely inconsistent but it'll pick up a win every once in a while

if you're talking about typh / infernape

>make a mega ray deck
>forget to put in spirit links
>win anyway

and here I thought I had a lot of room to tech

>>28240640
typlosion talonflame

>>28240779
never heard of it, it doesn't sound good though.

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mfw you buy 16 talonflame for 1$ during the first week of steam siege

>>28241040
what the fuck how? is it that good outside of greninja? or is it the Worlds effect?

>>28241113
Its hard to say no to a free double search off a turn 1 drop. Even if you draw it later, most decks run ultra balls and can just use it as discard fodder.

>>28241113
We lost compressor and without night march decks running archie/maxie are now viable so theres some use.

>>28241113
not to mention that the pull rate's insanely low

bought a sts booster box a week ago for fun and I only pulled 1

Mega Catcher really isn't bad in standard right now.

>>28241621
There are very few situations where you'd actually want to use it is the problem.
Think about what the standard Lysandre targets are and you'll understand.

>>28237806
I got a Shaymin EX at the end of the tutorial (didn't know it was a most wanted card)

>>28241659

Lysandre targets include your opponents Pokemon which have retreated to the bench after taking a hit or are setting up. Both are great situations for Mega Catcher. It's netted me a knockout in a couple of games already with MRay, both sealing the game for me.

What's the best card?

>>28242143
shaymin ex

>>28242143

Professor Oak from base set

>>28242143
Mega gardevoir EX

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>>28242143
This card

Is a computer search for a jolteon a good trade?

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>>28242143
In my opinion, this.

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>>28242143
Easily this. I can't think of a single deck in any format ever that wouldn't benefit from a 2-2 line of it at the very least.

>>28243181

If your the one getting the computer search it's a steal.

>>28238124
Shaymin just adds consistency and speed. You can run an old draw engine of 4 N, 4 Sycamore but if your set up isn't strong than helping the opponent out with N is going to hurt you.

>>28243181
Its an even trade.
They have the same value.


Keep in mind that Computer Search goes in almost every expanded deck and Jolteon-EX is only useful in M-Rayquaza decks.

If you dont play expanded go for it, if you play expanded dont do the trade.

>>28243275
>>28243433

I wish someone would take this trade then. I have two of them and I need jolteons.

>>28243468
wew
Not sure why my first post took 3 minutes to show up

>>28243468

hi j3xtrom

>>28243468
Not a lot of people play expanded, thats why those kind of trades usually take long.

The chance of someone that has a Jolteon that they are willing to trade, they need a Computer Search and see your trade is really really low.

You are better off trading the computer search for packs and then using those packs to get a Jolteon EX, it will be faster.

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>>28243556
Hello

>>28243558
>Not a lot of people play expanded

Plenty of people play expanded, especially right after rotation when their decks are rotated. Most tournaments at the beginning of the year are expanded as well, so you have tons of people online testing the format.

is there a benefit to doing the trainer challenges at harder difficulties?

>>28243596
I didnt say no one played expanded.
I said not a lot of people.

There are 10x more standard players than expanded players, only a minority of players play expanded.

>>28243558
Yeah but then I run into the problem of having to wait 24 hours for each trade to avoid getting jewed

>>28243646
More points earned

>>28243468
And there it goes.
Thanks if it was one of you by chance.

>>28233592
you can't talk about making the deck slower and then run stuff like 10+ supporters and a full line of puzzles. those just increase the amount of dead cards you'll see, which nerfs your shaymins. where are the trainer's mails for aking the deck faster? its actually kinda funny you insult the guy but really don't know what you're talking about yourself

some other basic options to consider outside of triple jolt, which is actually kinda awful:
-manaphy ex
-magearna ex

if you really want to be jank and run jolteon, use ninja boy so you can fix up your shaymin or hoopa start. even then, though, that's actually really slow for what this deck is

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Fuck i kinda want to buy Steam siege boosters but i fucking hate Break cards.

>>28243757
There is only one option for filler mons in a M-Rayquaza deck and thats Jolteon-EX.

He is the only card that meets two requirements to make the deck faster, he has no retreat cost and he can be searched with hoopa to fill up the bench fast.


Any other option will make the deck slower because you will either be dependant on float stone / ninja boy if you dont start with Rayquaza or you wont be able to use hoopa to bench them.

Go ahead and play whatever you want, manaphy and magearna are shitty options.

This is the defacto Rayquaza list friends.

Aside from the Mega Catcher which I'm still fucking around with to see how good it is.

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>>28243971

>no list

insert joke here

but seriously here it is

>>28243985
Escape Rope, Special Charge and Mega Catcher are just tech filler.

Also what are the big players that Magearna prevents?

>>28243971
>>28243985

Mine is better.

What the point of removing old boosters in a fucking videogame ?

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>>28244070
also forgot pick

>>28244070
I'm not that anon but link it faggot.

>>28244087
>3 different ultraballs
shit list

>>28244087
Not sure how I feel about 3 Seeker instead of 4. Or Skyla. Or Ranger.

>>28244063
>Escape Rope, Special Charge and Mega Catcher are just tech filler.

You'll have to explain what tech filler is and why it's a bad thing.

It's early to tell what exactly Magearna is going to do, but I've had it be useful against Bubble and Damage Swap so far in the ~10 games I've played with the deck.

>>28244063
magearna cuts off stardust jirachi

>>28244134
They're techs. They're not required by any means because there are plenty of reasons not to run them, especially if you're tight for space.

Damage Change Mewtwo EX is a good example I guess. And Stardust Jirachi.

>>28244087

>not 1 N
>not 4 trainers' mail
>not 4 seeker
>skyla
>3 different kinds of ultra balls

I'm literally puking

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>>28244113
Happy?

>>28244118
Without Ranger you kind of instalose to Giratina, Regice and Glaceon.

Skyla is quite verstaile in a way that lets you search for Ultra Ball, Puzzle of Time, Super Rod, Mega Turbo, Link, Float Stone and Sky Field.


Bein able to seach for them direcly makes your deck much more consistant, specially the Mega Turbo and the Puzzle of Time.


VS Seeker you can play 4 if you want, youd need to remove a Sycamore to do so though...


>>28244196
>not using Skyla in a deck that has Puzzle of Time

shitter

>>28244190

With people running Enhanced Hammer again and decks like Scizor around, I wouldn't make a deck that relied on special energy without including Special Charge.

>>28244239
You have Puzzle of Time for that....

>>28244078
You do know Pokemon is a physical card game, right?
You can buy packs of actual, real life cards in stores.
You understand this, yes?

>>28244264

Yes, but this gives you much, much more flexibility.

>>28244239
You only run one copy, which means having it when you need it is rare, and you have to redraw into it. Puzzle of Time is better.

>>28244234
You already do poorly against Giratina because you can't attack it. Unless you play Maniac. But then you can't use Ranger.

Glaceon and Regice are pretty rare, but those are the only two examples I can think of. You do have to draw into it though since you only run one copy.

Skyla is versatile but giving up your supporter to search an item you should just be drawing into is kind of mediocre.

4 VS Seeker should take priority over techy things like Ranger or Skyla.

>>28244078
probably because a lot of kids play this game and might be confused by what is standard

>>28244275
Of course, I'm talking about TCGO.
I understand the need to change boosters in a real shop, but not for an online game.

>>28244336
Where do you think the cards on PTCGO come from?
What purpose do you think a rotation serves?

>>28244319
>You only run one copy, which means having it when you need it is rare, and you have to redraw into it. Puzzle of Time is better.

The great thing is that it's not an either/or. I can have Puzzle of Time and Special Charge. I can even Puzzle of Time for the Special Charge to shuffle 2 DCE into my deck and then take another card I need.

>>28244319
I played a lot on that list and sometimes using that skyla to find the item you need is much more effective than using something like sycamore and hoping you get the item you need.


Not to mention that having Skyla and 1 Puzzle of Time = having 2 Puzzle of Time.

>>28244336
>>28244078

I don't know why this other guy is being so aggressive with you. The idea is likely that they don't want people getting confused and buying packs that they cannot play in the standard format. I've hoped for a long time that they'd add in a separate section with a large disclosure about the packs within being expanded/unlimited but I don't think it'll ever happen.

The packs are online, though. You just need to compete in legacy tournaments to get them. It's nearly impossible for a new player to do this though, so I wouldn't even bother.