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Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

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Welcome to the Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread. Talk about new episodes, old episodes, upcoming episodes, anime Pokégirls, sub releases, discuss, speculate, bitch and moan, etc., etc.

>NOT-SHIT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/#PocketMonstersXYSubbed

>Citronic Gear On's music rips:
http://pastebin.com/C2gkFb0g

>Newfag Airing/viewing order guide:
http://pastebin.com/anb9qe55

>****New trailer for upcoming events (Flare Arc)****
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDLz9sHvm5A

>Movie 19: Volcanion and the Ingenious Magearna [Jul 16th]
http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/
Excerpt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMWw5xiwW8

>LET'S GO SEE GEKKOUGA IN THE THEATER! SPECIAL GEKKOUGA VIDEO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj-34tfTiqo

Next episode:
>XY&Z39: Team Flare Attacks! The Zygarde at the Prism Tower!! [Aug 25th]
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pokemon_xyz/trailer/

Upcoming episodes:
>XY&Z40: The Shocking Zygarde VS Zygarde! The Breaking World!! [Sep 1st]
>XY&Z41: Attack on Lumiose Gym! The Citroid Forever!! [Sep 8th]
>XY&Z42&43 1 Hour Special [Sep 15th]

Shit people will ask:
>Is this season good? I haven't watched the anime in [x] years and-
Yes, it's fucking good, just start watching it already.

>Will Serena win da Ash?
It sure looks that way.

>Muh subs when?
[PM] is subbing XY&Z. Their releases can happen any time of the week.

Old thread:
>>27920838
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POKÉMON MOVIE SPECIAL SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_Movie_19_Premiere_Commemoration_Special[H264_720P][212D0552].mkv.torrent

XY&Z17 POKETV SEGMENT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_017_Thunder_and_Onvern!_A_Furious_Strike_of_Lightning!!_PokeTV_segment[H264_720P][08A85A9A].mkv.torrent

XY&Z36 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_036_Fierce_Fighting_at_the_Kalos_League!_Gather,_All_of_My_Passion!![H264_720P][53FB69AD].mkv.torrent

XY&Z37 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=839243

XY&Z38 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=841536

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS XY&Z39: THE FLARE GANG ATTACKS! THE ZYGARDE AT THE PRISM TOWER!! (AUGUST 25TH)
>A Zygarde and lots of enormous plants suddenly appear. And as Satoshi, Pikachu and Alan attempt to get to the bottom of this mystery, the Flare Gang appear before them! And incredibly enough, their target is Satoshi...!

>Summary:
>Miare City is thrown into a huge panic when mysterious enormous plants attack. Satoshi, Pikachu and Alan head for the Prism Tower to find out the cause behind all this. But then the Flare Gang appear before them. Meanwhile, Fleur-de-lis starts telling the entire world about his ambitions...!

>Voice Cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Mayuki Makiguchi: Serena
>Yuki Kaji: Citron
>Mariya Ise: Eureka
>Megumi Sato: Dedenne
>Megumi Hayashibara: Musashi
>Shinichiro Miki: Kojiro
>Inuko Inuyama: Nyarth
>Yuji Ueda: Sonansu
>Kensho Ono: Alan
>Mikako Komatsu: Manon
>Hiroshi Tsuchida: Platane
>Hideaki Tezuka: Fleur-de-lis
>Tsuguo Mogami: Xerosicy
>Fumiko Orikasa: Carne
>Anri Katsu: Tierno
>Minami Fujii: Trova
>Yurie Kobori: Sana
>Akeno Watanabe: Pachira
>Masako Katsuki: Gojika
>Chiemi Ishimatsu: Junsa
>Karin Nanami: Correa
>Rinko Natsuhi: Akebi
>Akane Fujita: Bara
>Kensuke Sato: Lizardon
>Kenta Miyake: Onvern
>Kiyotaka Furushima: Fiarrow
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration
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UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 46 (Aug 21st)
>Trying to Solve Louis Kurihara's Pokémon Quiz (PQ) / In their Battle, Sako, the Strongest Battler in Showbiz, Gets Driven Into a Corner!?

XY&Z40: The Shocking Zygarde VS Zygarde! The Breaking World!! (Sep 1st)
>Clemont and the others decide to split into several groups in order to stop Team Flare's plans. Bonnie follows Squishy as it confronts Z2, which has transformed into its 50% Forme. But then the evil clutches of Team Flare strike! And just like Z2, Squishy also ended up getting controlled by Team Flare.

XY&Z41: Attack on Lumiose Gym! The Citroid Forever!! (Sep 8th)
>As he attempts to retake the Lumiose Gym, Clemont challenges Team Flare scientist Xerosic to a battle, staking their pride as scientists.

XY&Z -MOVIE VER.- (SATOSHI)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6d63pkrvpvcqry3/XY%26Z_MOVIE_VER_%28Both_Sizes%29.zip

THE PIKACHU SONG (PIKACHU)
http://www.megafileupload.com/7hw9/The_Pikachu_Song.m4a

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA SOUNDTRACK
http://www.filedrop
per.com/movie19soundtrack

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA MANGA
CHAPTER 1: http://imgur.com/a/PAdz8
CHAPTER 2: http://imgur.com/a/cGC71
CHAPTER 3: http://imgur.com/a/l6bs1
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Serena best girl
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ohhhhh men so sad
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oh for fuck sake
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Can everyone just start talking about ashe loosing already pl0x i only came here to see that
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ash more like trash hahahah xD
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Long hair Serena best Serena.
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>dub info is removed, threads all keep it that way

>Q&A is changed from biased POV back to the neutral angle it originally had when /padt/ started
>instantly changed back

hmm
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Gary-Stu jobbed hard, and rightfully so.

He never deserved to fucking win.
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YFW Ash lost the finals
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Ash seems to have a thing for catching turtlemons and crabmons.

What are the chances he'll get Turtornator and/or Crabrawler?
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>>27926025
He did. He legitimately fucking did this time.
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>>27925827
Dump the Ash
We Alain now
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At least he isn't the only one who jobbed
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Lmao who is actually watching this shit anymore? Same fornula for 20 fucking years.
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Ash lost the finals when he choosed Goodra over Charizard or all the other mons he captured.
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>>27926103
It's kind of shocking how much worse the reaction to Ash losing was. They both came a bit out of nowhere.
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>>27925827
>>Will Serena win da Ash?
>It sure looks that way.
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Flying to the new thread. Hoping we get the XY&Z37 subs soon. Let's see if the TF arc delivers anything.

Thread song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-yIiu69850
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>Will Serena win da Ash?
>It sure looks that way.
Still at it again? When will you amourfags give up?
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>>27926103
Pottery.
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>>27926139
I used to fucking hate you and your spam, but your optimism brought a smile to my face this time
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The anime is dead.
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>>27926129

No, Serena's loss came out of nowhere.

Ash's loss was very foreseeable. The specials have been building Zard X up to be this special kind of fucking BEAST that only fucking legendaries can even touch, and he delivered in full force.
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>>27926129
It shows who the fanbase cares about really. I'm glad that the reaction as silly as it is. It exists.
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Shitposter here, is there an episode guide for all these contests Serena seems to take part in?
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>>27926188
That just makes it even more shocking
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>>27926203

No, because none of them were actually very good.
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>>27926186
Yes since misty left the show
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>>27926151
Never give up until the end. You need to pay attention to the themes of xy, anon.
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>Ever getting hyped about the league again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_-7tWcr3Y
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>>27926203
The Tripokalons?

XY60
XY80
XY91
XY&Z8
XY&Z16
XY&Z19-20
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Amour is done. It never really progressed past Serena lusting after Ash.
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>>27926103
POTTERY IS SO STRONG IT CAUSED ASH TO LOSE THE LEAGUE

FUCKING LOSERS WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER
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>>27926208
How is that shocking?

>Build up a secondary protagonist / rival as a fucking brick shithouse that requires a fucking legendary to knock him out
>The main protagonist tries to fight him with his magic frog
>SURPRISINGLY, THE FROG LOSES

This doesn't seem shocking in the least.
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Is this the threaD?
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>>27926172
Yes, you must cease and desist.
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>>27926289

this is the butthurt amourfag thread, yes
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>>27926272
Its just confusing why they did it in the first place if they werent actually going to do anything with it? Just to bait people to watch maybe?
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HEY SATOSHI LEAVE KALOS TO ROT! COME HANG OUT WITH ME HERE AT ALOLA!!
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>>27926016
>>27926135
>>27926151

SHUT. UP.
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>Candy girl LITERALLY outlines the events of amour
>people think amour isn't endgame
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>>27926317
>Just to bait people to watch maybe?

Gee, you think?

>>27926324
>implying she wants a loser
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>>27926215
Well I can at least try them.

>>27926239
I suppose so, yes.
And thank you.
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>>27926327

Stop lying to people and change the OP.
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>>27926129
Because this is the sixth time this fag ass loses. Serena? it was the first time. People were still butthurt about it tho
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>>27926324

1 -Mallow
+cooks
+is native to Alola
+is a 'gym leader'
+grass type expert, possibly she will get Rowlet
+she's in the concept art with Ash

2 -Lillie
+ is knowledgeable of stuff like moves/abilities
+ isn't a battler so could have be used to show side activities in Alola
+ Alola native (?)
- her ingame plot might mean this is unfeasible
- not a battler so won't be helpful against TR

3 -Lana
+ native of Alola
+ is a 'gym leader'
- don't know much about her yet


4 -FemMC
+ is a female protagonist which increases her chances
+ the status quo
- not present in the games unlike other femMC's
- not a native of Alola
- doesn't have any goals/personality as of yet

5 -Serena
+ crush on Ash
+ cooks
+ small team might be leaving door open for her to catch Alola mons instead
+/- no confirmation of contests in Alola
- companions rarely travel to new regions
- not an Alolan native
- Ash losing the League re-affirms status quo


6 -Bonnie
+ has Squishy, and we know Zygarde has an important role in Alola
- Zygarde's plot seems to be coming to a close
- unlikely to go to Alola without Clemont
- Ash losing the League re-affirms status quo

sorry lunacucks
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>>27926365
I want Lillie but I have a feeling they won't double up on the white women. If we are lucky though, we will get 2 girls again.
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>>27926365
What the hell is with this forced Selene smear campaign today? You realize those are falseflaggers and not real chickenbros right?
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>>27926317
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Amour DID have a purpose. For whatever reason people think that them not getting together means it was "pointless". Amour was mostly to have Serena (and Ash to a lesser extent) grow and develop. Because of Ash Serena realized her potential, and because of her feelings for him she got him out of slumps or when he was dragging his feat. It was also cute, and funny. But it was primarily used for the former. That was it's purpose.
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>>27926441
That entire pasta is just shitposting
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>>27925827

Alain's title will be stripped from him after the Flare arc for his role with Lysandre.

Ash as runner up will be bumped up.

We will then go into the Elite 4 arc.
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>>27926456
t. mad lunacuck
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You know what's sadder than Ash losing the Kalos League?

That this story wasn't continued.
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Can someone actually come up with a legit argument as to why Mallow isn't replacing Serena?
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>>27926453
You're acting like she's been written out already, anon. We have no idea what they're going to do with her in the next couple episodes
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>>27926453
Then why so many worried waifu and confident waifu shots in the storyboard after her dream is already done with? If it was meant to be cute, it wouldn't be treated so straightforward. We would just have more episodes like the crossdressing
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>>27926498
There are two other far more likely candidates for Sun/Moon companions over her. The entire idea of her eing a companion in the first place is just forced by shitposters acting like game artwork is anime artwork
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>>27926539
go die 77

or i'll make you
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>>27926365
>Thinking a brown shit like Mallow can compete with beauties like Serena or Lillie.
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>>27926506
you are absolutely right, but we still have people posting that they are pretty much just dumping her off a fucking cliff at the end.
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>>27926333
How does it outline amour?
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How did we go from this...
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>>27926587
That's idiotic. Subplots get conclusions. Ash losing the league doesn't magically change that
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>>27926542
It's still a part of the Serena's character. It's not going to disappear. But it was largely used to help Serena come into her own.
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>being a 77
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>>27926626
to this
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>>27926489
>implying he won't reject it until he gets proper match
>implying it matters to most fags if it's outside of league and they needed to pull shit to fix it
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>Iku-Z was Ash's victory anthem
>Anime opening is all about how him and Froggo are finally ready to take the gold
>Can't fucking stand the OP anymore because it was a crock of fucking lies
>Pure hype has been completely replaced by bitter betrayal
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>>27926596
It doesn't. It's just retarded head canon from amourfags.
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h-hey we're cool now right?
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>>27926707
No, your battle against Diantha was more impressive.
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>>27926506
I'm not saying it's written out. I mean that even if they don't get together in the end, it still won't have been pointless.
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Who is going to fix his smile?
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>>27926666
>>27926626
Different frames?
Alt battle ending?
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>>27926762
Oh. No, no, of course not.
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>>27926492
Fuck, I need more of this.
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>>27926775
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What do you think about that Ash lost the league again, and did you expect it?

Please vote here
http://www.strawpoll.me/11020292
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>>27926103
At least they have something to talk about
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>>27926642
Yeah but the romantic part is top large at this point to abandon without teasing the fans with something. Certainly not a kiss but something.
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>Greninja did better against his hard counter Sceptile and the Champion's Mega than he did against Charizard
JUST
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>It sure looks that way
I really can't fucking wait. You guys have no idea.
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>>27926895
u2
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>>27926838
I was pretty 50-50 going into the episode, and had even been telling people it was dumb to just assume he'd win.
His loss still hit me really hard, much harder than I would've ever expected.

I love this kid too much
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>pretending we didn't already win the companion owl.

Lel
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>>27926869
I mean, they don't have to do that either. They can easily just end with a simple promise to see each other again, and leave it at that.
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>>27926775
You are still a champion to me, Satoshi
The champion of "my heart" league
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>>27926992
>amourfags will claim this is an amour "win" ending

I mean, didn't he do this with other girls?
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Is there anything in-universe about ties in a Tournament? I personally would have liked them to tie, with either a best 2 outta 3 sort of deal (but gets interrupted by Flare before it happens) or they both become champions (Team Flare interrupts, Ash v Alan, Alan loses and forfeits the trophy cause Ash is the "real winner.")
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>OP is changed to be more neutral
>people go ballistic and post gore and porn and just shitpost
>OP is brought back to normal
>nothing
Amourfags are fucking cancer. You guys deserve all the shit that comes to you.
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>>27926775
Bayleef
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>>27927052
>brought back to normal

I think you mean brought back to biased.
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>alan charizad tanked PGroudon hurhur

it almost die niggers https://youtu.be/wKL59m6nbrE?t=5m7s
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>Because of the loss, no chance of Diantha /ss/
what a tragedy
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>>27927005
>things that Serena wouldn't dare to say.txt
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>>27927023
Basically yes. It's not a victory at all but the fans coping with reality.
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Dunno if this has happened in previous seasons since I have dropped the series for a while, but I do find interesting that the Flare Arc is AFTER the League is done for rather than beforehand.

It actually makes the stakes more focused than in the game where it's "Oh you saved the entire world!...now go and fight the league like always"
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>>27927023
It's amour if ash makes it about returning to her specifically, in a "I realize you have done for me" sense, rather than a "hey we're friends, so we're bound to see each other again" sense

At least to me it is. No amour ending is going to please all the amourfans
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THE FINAL WAS RIGGED
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>>27927213
I really don't think the writers will have Serena full out confessing. I just can't see it happening.
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>>27927111
It's just an Alainfag trying to defend Ash's bullshit loss.

Both of them were overpowered as fuck. All Alain winning accomplishes is to erase Ash's development and deny his last chance to prove himself as a trainer. Charizard's setup was never to make him invincible, just to prove him a worthy opponent for Ash's greatest victory.
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Is anyone even going to drop the anime or still watch it?
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>>27927289
drop it like its hot
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>>27927289
drop
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Reminder chicken-fags, that theres customization in Sun Moon :^)
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If you guys agree that Serena is special, then shouldn't she be taking champion cock over loser Ashy-boy cock? I guess we're all Serena X Alain now, whatever that's called.
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>>27927224
Was the Malva and TR translation about "Greninja's defeat" legitimate?
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>>27927289
If ash isnt going to win the league and amour is dead like people are saying it is, is there actually a reason to watch? Team flare is going to end out as usual.
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>>27927289
I think most will stay till the end of the XY arc to see how the saga wraps up. I doubt I'm sticking around for Sun/Moon.
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>>27927289
Shouldve realized the pattern of the fucking writers earlier. Might still watch it if animation quality is consistent.
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>>27924866
Because now we know the outcome is garbage, everything that built up to it has retroactively been made shit because we can never watch it again without knowing it's all for nought. Tripokalons are shit because the Elle loss was bad writing, and now anything involving Alan or Greninja is also shit. Goodra as well because of how badly it performed in the final.

Sure the standalone episodes like Serena crossdressing are still good, but anything plot-relevant has been ruined by the knowledge that it has a shit ending.
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>>27926974

>>27926365
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>>27927335
She's a runner up just like her Satoshi
They are perfect for each other!
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>>27927335
Why are you so angry Tierno?
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>>27927337
No. Adamant killed that rumor some threads ago.
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>>27927337
Adamant said there was nothing fishy about it.

I still think it's weird for that scene to have been there at all. If they just wanted a character to comment on the match, why not Sycamore, one of the actual commentators?
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>>27927289
Nothing about the Alola anime can get me hyped at the moment. Maybe if Lillie becomes the main girl I will watch it.
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>>27927380
>Shouldve realized the pattern of the fucking writers earlier.

It could have gone either way, though. You have someone who's denied a victory constantly, all that foreshadowing and big statements. Unless you're cynical as hell or gave up beforehand.
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>>27927289
watching till the end of XY. i still want to know how flare arc ends. don't know about anything after that. i'm not expecting much.
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Never ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eAm7XADWAQ
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>>27927249
All I'm saying is something that teases romance is going to happen, just to satisfy on a bare minimum level before ash moves on.
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>>27927289
Flare arc looks cool. I'm pretty bummed about how the league ended, but dropping the show over it is dumb.
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>>27927421
Probably because Malva is the reporter of the League

I still have hope though. I don't think based director would do this without a real reason
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>>27927404
>>27927421
Why is Adamant's judgement relevant? He's only a translator, nothing personnel.
People seem to take his opinion so seriously. He basically said he didn't think her comment could be read as anything other than "Greninja is Ash's last, if he's beaten Alain wins the league"

>>27927421
Well she is a reporter
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>>27927445
Yeah, they gave us so many hints I was pumped. Now, not so sure. Ash besting alain in the flare arc is simply not the same, if they even decide to do that.
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>>27927442
That's actually the real reason for me to. Even if Ash won the league, I can't think of anything new or interesting the Sun/Moon arc can offer.

It sounds like a regression for the anime in general with island trials and likely Ash just traveling around with new pokemon.
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>>27927506
She wasn't reporting at the time. It was Flare Malva, not Public Figure Malva.

Team Rocket's reaction bugs me too.
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>>27927541
Yea this might be why they never have him win anything (like the league or serena) because then there is no build up/filler for episodes. He has to start over so they can have episodes to put out I guess.
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>>27927509
Because he actually knows nip and can understand the tone and context a lot better than anyone else here.
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Serena will always be best girl no matter what happens.

XYZ was worth it for Serena crossdressing alone. The fanart that spawned has been godtier.
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I wonder how many people will pretend the anime ended with XY. I remember people used to say that at the end of DP when BW was airing.
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>>27927506
>>27927560
Pathetic delusional thinking
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>>27927488
But what could that be given that we know Ash never looks back or revisits gens, and that we probably will never see Serena again?
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>yfw later is revealed that Alan weakened the giga shuriken with his absorb mega shinka energy shit

HOPE
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>>27927626
Not many, considering Ash's plot was never resolved. At least DP Ash beat Paul and make everyone look bad by beat Darkrai.

DP Story+ XY Skill is perfect, though.
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>>27927289

What >>27927490 says.
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>>27927560
>She wasn't reporting at the time
Yes she was.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r-M0isViaQ

It would be awesome to hear this in the anime during the battle against Diantha
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>>27927690
Stop.
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Why is this thread so slow? Did everyone just stop coming here after the league?
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>>27927560
Whether the theory is right or not, Team Rocket's reaction was cute because it showed that they really were in the Ashb Owl.

>>27927586
Well yeah that makes sense but then again it's not like his word is definitive. There's always hope.
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>>27927784
yes
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>>27927788
>Team Rocket's reaction was cute because it showed that they really were in the Ashb Owl.
Funny since it was their fault that Ash lost his first league
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Fucking ashfags, I swear.
Can't reason with the fuckers, they're far beyond reason.
I've tried to make them understand the anime is decided not by "based writers" but by the high execs who see nothing but a way to make profit.
Also, trying to make them understand Ash is not that good of a trainer.

But the fuckers won't fucking listen
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>>27927626
I just pretend the Anime never existed
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>>27927784
The shitposters have the whole board to fuck up now. That's less time for the thread.
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>>27927784
>146 posts in an hour and a half
>60 individual posters
It's faster than it usually is. The last few days were not standard speed for them.
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>>27927839
You better go yell at a wall then.
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>>27927342

And Goku's only win in a TB was polemical (both of them should've disqualified because Majunia destroyed the stadium with a good portion of Papaya Island... besides, Goku was laying down in the floor), less gloryfied (Goku didn't get neither the prize (it was destroyed) nor the applause and recognition from the spectators (they were both killed or evacuated) despite of him having won his first and only Tenkaichi) and was with the huge plot advantage for the MC, so he had the obligation to win that TB (his life was at stake because of a batshit insane namekian who was in a revenge fit against the MC).

I think Ash either will win a league only if he has the obligation because the rival is a revenge seeker asshole (DB Style), or will win in Kanto when Pokemon finally comes to an end, but it won't be shown on screen (only mentioned as a tidbit with zero relevance in the epilogue. Literally Naruto style).
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>>27927887
There's an interview with Toriyama where he outright says he had Goku lose because it'd be unexpected, actually.
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>>27926762
It's as pointless as Ash trying for 20 years to win something that takes most of his rivals one try.
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I still wonder if Ash is going to Alola at all. Maybe they'll have him enter the Indigo league tournament again for the 20th anniversary and win that one in specials.
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Daily Reminder that GenIII-GenIV ash is the best incarnation of the character; Kalos ash is just a pretender.
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>>27927389
>the only good or satisfying ending is a happy one where the main character gets everything he ever wanted!

I feel like ash should have won this league too but you've got some pretty shitty taste in fiction if you think the only way a story can end well is if the protag walks away into the sunset having accomplished everything they wanted.

I actually cant think of a single good anime/story that ends this way.
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>>27927876
And now the roaches are massing up in their last remaining bastion: amourshipping
But it's doomed, their fortress is the the edge of a cliff. And it's going to fall into the sea of despair.
They expect their ship will float, but it'll drag them to the very bottom of the ocean.

Let's kill these fuckers dreams once and for all
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>>27927389
Well, that's until Zard and Pika absolutely save this show again.
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>>27927984

That was when Toriyama's skills as a mangaka were at its peak. Honestly, the 23rd TB had less quality in the writing, and was kinda shoehorned by his editor and the battle hunger readers (they wanted more exaggerated battles like the ones from Saint Seiya, Bastard and a debutant Jojo).

Adding more salt, in the Naruto-style epilogue Ash will be recognized not as a Pokemon master, but unironically as a "rematch master" (because he won the leagues offscreen in his second wind), maybe his son will be shown downplaying his assets.
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>>27928039
I'd say Hoenn Ash is probably the best one just for the sake of BF and actually using his older pokemon with Oak watching his eventual win against Brandon.
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>>27928134
I still can't get over that winning the BF is Ash's last major accomplishment and that was 10 years ago in 2006.

Aside from increasing his rank in the Sinnoh and then Kalos leagues, Ash still hasn't actually won anything outside of some minor side competitions. No major wins in 10 years. I can't understand it.
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>>27928126
>That was when Toriyama's skills as a mangaka were at its peak.
Oh definitely. You got shit lie that in Dr. Slump all the time (the boxing tournament was won by the referee's non-competing girlfriend because it ended in a double knockout and the referee got to make the call on who won), but you never got stunts like that in late DB
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>>27928033

He'll go to Alola. However, it's obvious he'll win in Kanto when anime comes to an end. However, the execs will find the way to make that achievement a lot less gloryfied (maybe only a short mention downplayed by a smartass comment from his wife/son/friends only to shit on him. "Mr. rematch master")
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>>27928059
Not him, but there are other stories that can make underdogs and vets alike likeable but not perfect, even if the lose/win at the end.

Nevermind you can easily downplay's Ash league result if he did win. Lose against Alain off stage or to the E4, keep his pride in check, etc.

The current issue is that now anyone that's still watching has to wait a week to see where this goes.
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>>27928168
people legitimately feel that sticking one of his older pokemon in would've helped.

hopefully the writers aren't braindead and have ash realize the one thing he did wrong in Kalos.
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>>27928059

What the fuck does Ash being denied his victory accomplish from a plot perspective? It doesn't teach anyone anything, especially the way it was written and accounting for all the prior seasons too. It just makes the whole thing a giant waste of time.

You're an idiot. A character who always loses is just as bad as a character who always wins.
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>>27927839
I tried to mention this to someone in another thread too, its pointless. People honestly think that a bunch of creative animators and writers would want to be the ones to major splash and shake up a franchise with millions of fans. That it could have never occurred to writers who were passionate enough to actually get into the industry, that maybe a 20 year old story should have a new main character.

Surely when an animation studio gets tasked with handling an IP thats decades old, they get complete creative freedom to do whatever they want!
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>>27928203
Sometimes I really wonder if the writers are saving Ash's league win for when he re-enters the Indigo league to bring the anime back to where he started. Since he already has all the badges they can skip the Gyms and just do a league tournament.
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>>27926489
rare potato found
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Will Ash ever fight with his fists again? I'd have more respect for him then
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>>27928238
well Like I said, he isn't winning without the Original Kanto team reuniting. EVEN BUTTERFREE AND PIDGEOT
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>>27926775
his mom, probably
what a loser

t. gary
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Wew. The last thread died without a new link. I thought this was the end of /padt/
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>>27928211

Goku's only win in a TB was enormously downplayed by the situation caused by Piccolo Jr. (a ruined environment, spectators either died or ran away, the prize was destroyed...). Even after that, he had the guts to spare his rival giving him a senzu and go against Kamisama himself.
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>>27926775
>being in cold Ice
Let me lighten you up a little.
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>>27928219
Who ever decides what happens in the show probably believe that if he wins they wont watch anymore, so they keep having him lose so people will tune in next time to see if he "wins".
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>>27925996
Can't spell trash without ash, though.
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>>27926116
>Goodra over Charizard
At least Goodra tied.. Charizard never won a single League battle.
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>>27928341
....Silver Conference, against Gary?
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>>27928327

Right, but that's absolutely backwards and wrong. The way this loss was written is bad.
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>>27928287
Don't worry, anon. Once people emofag a couple days, we'll be up and ready for the Flare arc
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>>27928341
Didn't Charizard KO Gary's Blastoise?
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>>27928275
Ginger hitler is ranting about how he can't have lost
>Ask punches his bitch ass out
post YFW
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Just wait.
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>>27928358
Never said it wasnt bad, its just how it seems to be
I totally agree that its fucking retarded.
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>>27928362
Thats bad cause i really want this threads to die until SM
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>>27928235
This is all your fault Alan. You doomed the region, hurt your friend and Hari San is still a potato.
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>>27928388
Why?
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>>27928341
Charizard BTFO'd an Articuno. and Gary's Blastoise and is Ash's most loyal pokemon just next to Pikachu.
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>>27927289
Im still going to watch. Im actually curious how the Sun/Moon anime will be like, if it has Lillie and/or Chicken-chan as a companion, Im definitely sticking around
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>>27928327
>League win = No interest argument

Even Light Novel writers aren't this stupid when making protags. Sure, a good chunk are Mary-Sue generic males, but even they win major events.
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>>27925827
>Yes, it's fucking good, just start watching it already.
>It sure looks that way.
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Post Kalos league Champion remember?haha
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>>27928219
A character who always wins is always worse. There is no exception.

The point, if i had to guess it, is that Ash has gone from needing validation to simply enjoying battles outright. In previous seasons you see him crying like a child when he loses, but in this season he loses the fight with a smile and barely seems effected by it. Let it sink in that the people on this board are saltier than ANY of the characters are.

This moral works perfectly in a franchise that encourages you to battle your friends. "Hey kid, when you lose, try and enjoy the battle and not be a salty little bitch! Entitled cunts rarely make alot of friends! You can't always get what you want, there's always someone better, enjoy what you have!" Any of those themes are pretty decent, pick whichever one you want.

I have TONS of problems with this anime, but if you think that Ash not winning this particular tournament highlights the real issues this shitshow has, you're beyond help.
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>>27928341

What did Greninja really accomplish? Hawlucha wrecked Abomasnow before he could even mega. He could have done the same the second time. Talonflame could have wrecked Sceptile every single time. If Ash didn't drop Goodra it would take shit out too, and wouldn't be underleveled for the league. Any old mon could sub in for a sixth.

Greninja was a mistake.
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>>27928411
The female lead is probably going to be Mallow. Even if you don't believe that sketch, she still seems like a likely and safe choice. She's basically a grass version of Misty/Iris who will explain the island trials to Ash
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>>27928401
>mfw Alan is going to kill himself after this

Is Alan the most pathetic character besides Hari-san?
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>>27928424
>>27928377
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>>27928407
I only got hate here everytime i wanted to talk about Dawn, Paul or DP. You all were cocksucking this show and posting webms all over 4chan saying it was the best shit ever. I'm glad things turned out like this
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>>27928374
it wouldn't redeem the series but it'd be a damn good start
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Remember the end of DP?
>Third-to-last episode: Ash loses to the king of bullshit
>second-to-last episode: His bro decides to leave forever
>last episode: Super emotional episode where we say goodbye to everyone
And even after that, people were actually excited for BW, which looked pretty good from the early promos.
Yeah, BW turned out to be BW, but still.
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>>27928438
not to mention that having Charizard train Greninja would've been common sense. both will benefit from getting more experience, Charizard seeing Allain's X would've had it work double time to be better.
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>>27928431
How about Amour? What was the point in that subplot?
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>>27928458
You are from the future or something? Is that you PK? Are you trying to save this shit show?
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>>27928235
Alain is a fucking traitor and I hope Serena kills him
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>>27928464
But we've had lots of DP discussion here?
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Delusional amourfags will sink to the bottom with their ship

The fall of Amourshipping will be our Constantinople!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQoJvI8XUa0
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>>27928479
>And even after that, people were actually excited for BW
DP had the best ending in any Pokemon Season. What are you trying to imply. People were right to think BW could be as good
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>>27928486
It's still ongoing.
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>>27928479
BW had a sense of freshness for it at the start for a few reasons:

1. Brock finally left after being in the show continuously since Johto.

2. Iris at the start seemed like a breath of fresh air compared to two coordinators in a row

3. Serious/evil Team Rocket with all black uniforms

4. Ash was capturing a lot of pokemon quickly


Sure we noticed the flaws early on like Trip, Ash being regressed, etc.....but there was quite a bit of hype for early BW when it first started
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>>27925827
>Is this season good? I haven't watched the anime in [x] years and-
It all boils down to the quality of the last episodes and the Team Flare Arc. As of now, it'll build up your hopes and then crush your dreams.

>Will Serena win da Ash?
Don't get your hopes up.
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Massive KEK. I've never been so dissapointed with a show before
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>>27928526
It was good, but it was also really fucking depressing.
I nearly cried at the final episode. True story. Watched the livestream.
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>>27928235
>Ash is surrounded by a red energy
>Z2 has turned Red
are they forcing Ash to synchro with Z2?
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>>27928524
>Literally the ISIS theme song

I'm pretty sure Armourshipping is still going to be around.
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>watches the anime in original Japanese
>still calls the main character "Ash"
>still calling any character by their dub name
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>>27928479
The thing with DP is that no one actually thought ash would win once the league started since it pulled the then usual "oh hey look there's this new really strong guy who just showed up to the league" thing. Ash's story arc ended with defeating paul at the league (which it did exceptionally well). This season completely fucked up the entire mini arc about Greninja by making him drop like a bitch, not even giving a good fight and also fucked up at the one point in the last fifteen years that people thought ash had an actual chance of winning.
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>>27928526
AG had the better ending. It ends on a high note, and the only bad thing about it was Gary reminding Ash that there are more things to discover.
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>>27928559
>He's screaming in pain because Squishy is hurting Z2
HOLY SHIT!
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>>27928524
But you are a supporter of Amourshipping, remember, Stale?

You kept spamming that you were worried about Clemont taking over Serena
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>Does nothing to help his friend Satoshi
Wow... Is he supposedly the man that children of Kalos should aspire to be?
Truly disgusting
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>>27928569
>watches the anime in original Japanese
With subs yea, unless we are forced to watch without, also Ash is a better name than satoshi.
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>>27928431

What it teaches is that no matter how hard you work and how much you accomplish, nothing will come of it in the end. They've hammered this in for six seasons, and in this season the most considering how strong he got and that it's the last real league he'll be in.

This particular tournament exemplifies the issues, because this was a culmination of all of Ash's hard work and experience, finally being at the top of the region and even clearly winning the final fight, but being denied the victory ONLY to maintain the status quo. In Kanto he lost because he wasn't prepared, in Sinnoh he went out in a blaze of glory and defeated his rival, but here he lost to his rival every single time AND the league.

He wasn't smiling because he just enjoys fighting, he was smiling because they turned him into a fucking emotionless robot who feels nothing. That is not relatable in any fucking way. We don't see him get over it, we just don't see any reaction at all, so kids learn fucking nothing except why bother trying.
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>>27928584
AG ended really well, but whether it ended better feels more debatable. The Ash/Paul rivalry climax alone made Sinnoh more exciting to me than watching Ash actually take the Battle Frontier and the actually really nice mentor/student thing between Ash and May at the end.
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>>27928431

Summarizing, the moral aesop Ash is trying to show is "no matter how hard you try, you must not have high expectations on your future. Enjoy the things you actually have, because they are the only things you'll get in your life"

I think Pokemon is the cause young children end up becoming pessimistic neets (the same ones who are perpetually assblasted in boards like 2ch) or 3rd class employees with very low expectations on their life.
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>>27928531
>Johto
Kanto
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>>27928584
This. The fact that Ash wins with Oak watching his fights against Brandon made it even better. To me Hoenn Ash is the peak without gimmicks.
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After all of this shit going down in the internet, I'm genuinely curious to see how the anime is like since I haven't watched it. First link in OP gives a list of .torrent files. How in the hell do I watch them?
>inb4 newfag
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>>27928631
He probably turned Ash over to Lysandre
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>>27928569
>Watching the anime since i was 7 and only vaguely knew it was made it Japan. Ash/Brock/Misty is fucking ingrained in my skull.

I watch subs now, so i sometimes say Alain, Eureka, Citron, but Ash has been Ash for too long for me to switch to Satoshi.

You'll have to excuse the people who arent as new as you are.
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>>27928584
Don't know i mean AG was just as good but in DP Ash and CO watched Cynthia fight with Flint with the OP song playing in the background and Ash seeing himself on Flint. Brock finally leaving to follow his true dream. All the Piplup sequence plus fight with TR. The last goodbye in the sunset and Ash saying forever goodbye to Brock while leaving to Pallet Town without a new Region to go was fucking amazing. Plus the friendship song from the second movie playing really sealed the deal. It felt like an ending to the whole Pokemon Anime
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>>27928646
you want to know why people should realize that he wouldn't win in that Episode alone?

It's simple: Ash's league-clinching win won't be a 2-parter battle. It'll be the last movie. Him returning to the Indigo League, with his original Kanto team is going to be the time he wins it.
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>>27928577
>This season completely fucked up the entire mini arc about Greninja by making him drop like a bitch, not even giving a good fight
I can guarantee you that shit is coming in the Flare arc
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>>27928688
Lysandre probably uses Manon as a gambling chip
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>>27928679
bro...
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>>27928706

This league undeniably proved that Ash will never win no matter how good he gets. All the stars aligned for a Kalos victory and it didn't happen.
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>>27928705
Oops forgot pic
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>>27928679
You honestly don't know what a torrent is?
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>>27928524
>The fall of Amourshipping will be our Constantinople!
Whatever you say Mehmed
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>>27928653
I actually really like how May still got episodes even after her Kanto Grand Festival ended. The writers kept May into the focus right up to her last episode pretty much. May/Drew/Harley also got that farewell episode prior as a trio. Actually made me think we'd see some of them in Johto at the time in specials
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>>27928740
>>27928732
I'm being honest. I have never done anything with torrents.
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>>27928679
How did you even find this place?
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>>27928723
He will save the world with a bigger shuriken. Big fucking deal i have seen that already. Plus we have perfect zygarde in that fight too. Doubt they will put all the screentime in the memefrog
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>>27928679
If you really are this new just Watch them in kissanime.
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>>27928757
Stream it. Gogoanime has every episode subbed with good subs.

Who cares what the autists here think
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>>27928372
>>27928357
>>27928341
Charizard swept the last 3 pokemon in Gary's team the moment he was sent out. He one shotted Scizor and Golem in that battle. He only lost to Blaziken because he was tired, but he still fucked Blaziken so badly that he proceeded to job in his next match.

>but he lost to Dragonite in the Orange League
One thing that most forget to mention is that he beat Drake's Electabuzz, and he made Dragonite really tired in the Dragon Rage clash. Charizard didn't even job. Another thing to note was that Drake's Dragonite was fucking broken and used 7 moves in that battle.

Unlike Greninja, Charizard never went out like a punk.
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>>27928757
go to the /t/ for the sticky and DONT WATCH ANY STREAMS
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>>27928757
A torrent is a small file that has information about a database that contains small pieces of a certain file. When you open a .torrent file with a client you can download the actual file you want, in this case, videos with anime episodes.

But you'd be better watching them on youtube or some other website that has these episodes uploaded.
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>>27928776

It won't even be the shuriken. We saw all those mega trainers going to the battle. They'll all power up some big mega bullshit spirit bomb and launch it, shuriken and other shit inside. Gundam will be the star.
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>>27928679
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what%20is%20a%20torrent%20file
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>>27928733
not all the stars. the Narrative undercurrent wasn't enough. It's the last ingredient. Ash wasn't flashing back to his previous losses, doesn't have the real veterans of the team, the scenes do not really indicate anything.

At most I was expecting a tie, or inconclusive battle wherein Flare will interfere.

Most of all, the nostalgia spots weren't present.


Ash will most likely win with either Pikachu and Charizard as the last team members.
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>>27928780
>>27928795
>>27928829
>>>/r/eddit
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>>27928859
>am I cool yet guise
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>>27928875
Just leave
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Anyone else think Alan might die in the Flare finale? Like sacrifice himself to save the others?
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>>27928527
Doesn't really seem like it. Seems to have fizzled out a bit.
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>>27928812
>Charizard swept the last 3 pokemon in Gary's team the moment he was sent out

Even if we ignore writer bullshit, this was back in Gen 2, where things were tame compared to Gen 4 and beyond. Charizard would pretty much have to hog a slot the entire series just to be 'Kalos ready', and we see enough fire lizards already.
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>>27928890
Suck my dick
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>>27928795
Good going, thanks.

>>27928826
I don't see the problem.

>>27928829
Eh, seems too much of a hassle. Feels like I need a VPN for this stuff. Thanks anyways.

>>27928859
Nice meme
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>>27928646


Stories protagonists who always win in the end create entitles brats who cant handle losing and only seek validation through grand accomplishments. "If you cant become the CEO your life was meaningless. Fuck all the other things you've enjoyed/accomplished along the way!"

If he got knocked out in the early stages, you'd have a point. But he got second place. It might come down to western exceptionalism but expecting the characters of your fiction to always get the thing they want most is some sad fucking self insertion. Especially because no one on this board will get everything they ever want unless they aspire to very little.

>>27928655
This only works if Ash had a meager goal. Becoming the best/ A pokemon master, is not a meager goal. A better example is an employee who wants to be the head of the company, works hard, and winds up as Vice president. The shows that treach the opposite cause kids to become NEETS. Since, after getting out into the real world they realize that everything they want doesnt always come to them and they break the fuck down in self pity and defeat.
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http://www.chia-anime.tv/pokemon-xyz-episode-37-english-subbed/#
http://www.chia-anime.tv/pokemon-xyz-episode-38-english-subbed/#

Here are good subs of the episodes. But you need to select the player number 2
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>>27928898
Unlikely. That wouldn't preserve Leprechaun's EGAO
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>>27928688
That's probably true since Satoshi was seen running with Alan during the attacks. Since Alan is the only other person with Satoshi at the time, he'll probably turn him in to Fleur-de-lis after he collapses.
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>>27928706

His win in Kanto won't have neither a movie nor an arc. Execs will find the most retarded way to downplay it A LOT (a short mention, a pic of the trophy, a smartass commentary from his family). The rule is... the MC must NOT be gloryfied. If he wins something, execs must find the way to make it the most trivial and unsignificant possible.
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>>27928898
That would be too much for a Pokemon anime, that's why the Citroid is gonna fill that role

To be honest, the logical thing that should happen is Hari-san passing away
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>>27928917
who cares, Having Ash sync with Zard would've been more epic than narutoad.
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>>27928936
Fuck off back wherever you came from
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>>27926966
This.
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>>27928646
>nothing will come of it in the end.
How the FUCK can you guys even say this?
As though he hasn't gotten in the top rankings all the time. As though he didn't do better this time than he's ever done. As though there was no improvement or accomplishment in his part.
Last I fucking checked top 2 wasn't nothing. When was the last time you were top 2 in anything? Top 2 in an entire nation?

Stop downplaying this shit as though he's accomplished nothing. He accomplishes a lot each time

What it teaches is that if you keep working hard you'll keep doing better.
It teaches that hard work does pay off. If anything BW, as much as a failure as it was, and as much as I don't want to count it as canon, is still in line with this. Ash was fucking stupid in BW and as a result he regressed.
He blatantly and clearly worked hard this time and did the best he's ever done.
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Summer didn't leave yet, I see.
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>tfw too depressed to even fap
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I don't get it, what's the point of Alan collecting mega energy?
Lysandre didn't need it to start his plan, and it's obvious that the whole "Chespin needs the energy" it's da biggest ruse of Alan's life
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>>27929070
Chances are we'll find out next episode
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>>27929005
>Stop downplaying this shit as though he's accomplished nothing. He accomplishes a lot each time

Diminishing returns, anon.
It doesn't help that Ash rarely, if ever gets recognition in-universe for his league entries. Hard for people to give a shit when so little carries over. Ash having a reputation alone would a shit ton of people less bitter, since there a sense of continuity.
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>>27929070
Mega Energy+Zygarde cells=Superweapon
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>>27928964
That would be even darker IMO. I still reckon Puni is gonna heal Hari-san somehow.
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>>27928917
He finished his training in Charizard Valley, and he was portrayed as ultra powerful in Unova. Charizard doesn't need training. He overpowered Dragonite's Dragon Rush with fucking Slash and took no damage, so the power spike was massive. He doesn't need training nor additional bonding. Just slap a Mega/Z-Stone on him.

Also, fire lizards, tree geckos, and Goku monkies are more entertaining than Narutoads. Greninja is the least charismatic of all of Ash's aces.
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I'll never forgive the writers for having these lines in the summaries:

"Ash is going up against Alan who he has never won against"

and

"Will Ash win his first league?"

Between that and the title "Kalos league victory!" What fucking bait.
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>>27929005

Then why is Japan having a demographic crisis because of neets and hikki?? It's obviously because kids who grew up watching Pokemon end up deluded with their expectations. They are every week watching Ash working hard for every badge and getting in the generational league, only to watch him lose in a (kind of) questionable way. That make them lose their optimism and end up moving to other anime, as they slowly start to lower their expectations on life because their role model failed to live for his expectations. Finally, when they're in their late 17s, they end up becoming 3rd class employees with a high stress on their minds or give up on life and become NEET or hikkikomori with low hopes of recovering.
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>>27928631
>suddenly Korrina appears
>Alan vs Korrina battle
>She wins and saves Ash

How would /padt/ react?
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>>27929118
This. Ash's Zard might not be the same as Allain's but it's a fucking powerhouse. Slapping a Z-stone on this thing would be insane.
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If Serena leaves, may i have her? i'll take good care of her, i promise
No, im not tierno, im not alan, im just anon
I will help her with her contest, cook with her, watch every performance of her, hug her, hold hands, kiss her, and gentle sex.
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>>27929129
Agreed. The writers/producers had the potential to make this one of the best anime of all time (huge payoff after 20 years), instead they embrace the image of working for one big advertisement for the games.
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>>27929151
What
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>>27929070
Lysandre did need the energy though. That's the whole reason he rused Alan into collecting it for him. Seems like he needed a certain threshold in order to tree the world, or whatever the fuck he's doing, on such a massive scale.
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>>27929139
Uh
I don't think Pokemon is to blame for NEETs and hikikomori.
It's a cartoon man.
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>no archives for Ash vs Diantha
fug
How was the thread reaction?
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>>27929231
sorry, but the Kalos team isn't winning anything. Pika and Zard will have to be present before he wins.
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>>27929231
>The writers had the potential to make this one of the best anime of all time (huge payoff after 20 years), instead they were forced by producers to make one big advertisement for the games.

Fixed.
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>>27929267
>no Ash x Diantha /ss/ doujin

What the fuck is taking so long?
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>>27929139

That is the single handed stupidest thing I have ever read on this site. I have been here for 12 years too.

I hope you're proud of yourself.
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>>27929217
t. OP
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What are the chances, and I know they're slim, that one of Team Flare's Pokemon blocked Greninja's huge Water Shurinken from a distance? And after reviewing tape the officials noticed that Alan cheated?

I'll walk myself out....
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>>27929217
Shut up Ash
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>>27929217
Are you Ash?
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>>27929268
Strongest team my ass. Kalos ash is a pretender, The real ash is still in stasis after DP.
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>>27929319

I'd say it's more likely Ash and Alan will have a rematch outside of the league that Ash will win.
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>>27929327
>im just anon
Can you read? He said he isnt.
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>>27929319
Literally the only chance we have of a rematch is if Frogger's ultimate Rasenshuriken turns out to be made of Mega Evolution Energy and Alan's bracelet absorbed a decent chunk of it.
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>>27929321
>>27929327
Ash doesn't like Serena that way you autists
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>>27929290
Someday these shitty producers will realize that the anime is becoming worse in views, reputation, and ratings. It's already TV Tokyo's least profitable boy's anime. They'll be forced to do pandering like Digimon Tri.
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>>27929262

Not really, but i think a good bunch of kids start to get more pessimistic and lower their expectations on their future because they watch their role model fail in the end.

At least other kodomo anime show the MC/Main team win and even then, they don't get cocky on their victories. Inazuma 11 characters didn't lose their humility after winning the national tournament.

However, I remember Tyson being an insufferable arrogant jerkass after winning every Beyblade tournament.
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>>27929327
Holy shit i love that serena pic, she looks so lovely
No im not ash, im just anon
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>>27929376
>It's already TV Tokyo's least profitable boy's anime.
Is there proof of this? I keep seeing it both here and on /a/ but I've never seen this outside the fact that Pokemon doesn't get the ratings of shows like Youkai Watch.
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Ash probably would not give a shit if Bonnie proposed to Serena for Clemont right in front of him. He be all for it. And that's pretty sad.
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>>27929268
This.
Greninja dealing the final blow is not a good conclusion to something like Ash winning a league.

>>27929290
Ironically, winning the league with Greninja would be a big advertisement. I mean, Greninja? It's just a flavor of the month pokemon, it's literally a walking advertisement.

They actually did the opposite of what you said and forgoed making the show an advertisement in order to further develop their story that they devoted an entire miniseries to and have been building up for half the season in the main show.
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>>27929376

It's the 3rd most profitable after Yokai and Naruto according to the 2015-2016 fiscal report. However, that same exercise had Pokemon with lower net income than Yokai Watch, Naruto, Yu-Gi-Oh! and Gintama
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>>27929417
bros before hoes you pussy
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>>27929417
Bonnies knows she likes ash and shes not retarded
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>>27929431
>Pokemon has a lower net income than Yu-Gi-Oh
>Even with the floundering anime
how
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>>27929388

It has shit to do with that. At all.

It has to do with the way Japanese businesses are ran and the stress it puts on raising a family.

As well as the non-stop pressure thrown on these people as they grow up and go to school.
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>>27929369
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People need to remove Goodra from "le Ash's all-star" team meme after this week's episode.
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The only way to bring back amourshippers and ashfags it's to constantly bash their heads against reality until they either become a rational person or die
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>>27929462
>he doesn't play Yu-Gi-Oh
What are you, under 18?
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>>27929431
So what, the thing just contradicted itself?
I'd ask for link to see it, but I can't read japanese anyway, unless there's an english version or it's listed in order.
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>>27929417

Honestly, after this, and considering Bleach's rushed ending, I think Misty or Iris will become endgame if a timeskip epilogue is considered. They are daring to put a smartass/bitchy character that downplays Ash's offscreen achievements in Kanto.
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>>27929462
I think he means only the anime. Which means the money they get from ads, which is loosely determined by ratings.
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>>27929487
he was looking at the fokko
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>>27929496

>Tank Pokemon
>hit by a OHKO attack.

Only Smogonbabbies think like that, anon.
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>>27929397
Then no, anon
I want my Ash only!
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>>27929516
I can almost guarantee I play more YGO than you. I just know Arc-V is dying in Japan and I'm surprised it was so profitable considering that fiscal report shouldn't include DSOD revenue.
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In other potentially interesting news, the Snowbelle arc begins in the dub in a little less than nine hours.

This + the League + Flare arc is the holy trinity of "Hmm I really do wonder how they could butcher this the fuck up".

Remember to have your TVs on as muted background noise so we get ratings reports.
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Do you think the froge will get captured along with Ash?

>>27929536
>Rukifags
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>>27929563
>I can almost guarantee I play more YGO than you
Host a game on ygopro right now. I'll play you to see if that's true.
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>>27929460
She certainly hasn't done anything to help push it forward like Millefeui attempted to do. She showed she was aware of it, in what, 1 episode? Was there more?
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>>27929462

TV Tokyo's fiscal reports have a Net income rating and a profit rating. The last one has more to do with the free cash flow (incomings minus total loses minus tax before and after ebitda)
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>>27929585
beating him wouldn't prove anything? I probably play a much YGO as either of you, but stomping my Ghotstrick deck doesnt mean you play more than me it just means you're better than me.
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>>27929431
What I don't get is how is the anime profitable? By whatever commercials plays when it airs? All pokemon merch usually would go to GameFreak or Nintendo, not TVtokyo.

I'm sure the Greninja plushes on sale aren't contributing to the anime's profits, but to Nintendo in general
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>>27929596
In 2 episodes she's shown to be smug about that crush. Actually 3 if you count "...good luck, Satoshi" when Serena dresses like Ash.
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>>27929520
Not that anon, but here's one from ANN.
>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-06-10/tv-tokyo-most-profitable-anime-april-2015-to-march-2016/.102927
Someone in the forums dropped a link for the ones in 2014-2015 but it's in Nip unless you google translate which should be enough to see the rankings.
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>>27929582
Yep, so sad that the dub is this far behind but ill watch this shit anyways senpai.
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>>27929613
Obviously it's ads
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>>27929656

Its only like 20 episodes behind.

Which is a pretty big accomplishment, regardless of quality, since the show used to be over a year behind.
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>>27929663
When I watch pokemon as it aired live the only ads I saw were for Lego's and some other anime. All the other ads were pokemon related products so they don't get money from literally their own adverts
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>>27929611
I'm not talking about beating him, hell he can beat me considering bricking is a thing. I just want to see his main deck choice and the amount of misplays he makes. Also how fast he plays a turn. I've been playing since the game came to the states in 2002 btw, which really doesn't matter much considering how the ban list rotates and basically resets the meta every year.
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>>27929583
Ash will probably have all of his mons on him besides Pikachu.

The trailers shows us that he is alone with Alan as they're escaping that league skyscraper, and the next scene shows Ash lying on the ground. Alan will somehow capture him and take him back to the top of the building where Lysandre is. When Ash wakes up, Kalos will be red.
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>>27929689
Heh, I remember back in 2003 Japan was already 40 episodes into AG and the dub was still at the Johto league.
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>>27929702
There are loads of ads for various things.
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>>27929613

Profit means the free cash flow results. That is the net income minus the outcome minus other losses minus the ebitda minus the tax before and after EBITDA and minus other opperational outcomes.
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>>27929656
>>27929689
The dub was like, only seven or eight episodes behind up until the Olympia gym battle but then they took a huge ass break for XYZ. The only thing that catches it up is whenever the original goes on occasional break.
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>>27929722

The general turn around time for dubs and US releases is impressive in general compared to what it used to be.

Some shows even have dubs that air only a few episodes behind the Japanese release.

I dunno. As someone who has been following anime for a long time it's just kind of impressive how that entire scene has changed.
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>>27929704
>a list of sound points.

Well fuck you're right that would show off how new he is. Carry on. Whats your main deck(s)? I run Stall Ghostricks and a Morphtronic Synchro engine
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>>27929768
It's all thanks to Space Dandy t.bh

Simuldub is the hot new thing.
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>>27929663
Isn't the way ads generally work in Japan that the show or studio also has the advertisement slots as well?
Like whenever I watch it live, the only thing advertised is Pokemon and nintendo products.
Same whenever I watch other anime too, like I remember watching a Kyoani show and most of the stuff was for Kyoani adverts.

Unless the studio is just buying their own slots to advertise their stuff, and that's the money the station gets.
Oh wait, yeah I think that actually makes sense. Never mind everything before this I'm slow.
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How good is the dub right now?
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>>27929711
I like you're thinking. It'd be very interesting to see Alain go full Darth Vader.
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>>27929833
It's in the wishy-washy territory of "they sometimes get it OKAY i guess" and "they fucked up hard"
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>>27929833
does it matter
It's not like it can ever be better than the sub anyway
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Question: which of the following would be scared of a Beedrill flying around in the house?

Would it be Luan, Lori, Luna, Lola, or Lynn?
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>>27929792
Blue-Eyes, been playing them since January maybe December I believe. Before that I had clown Shaddolls even though they were considered a fun deck at that time.

In real life I'm completing my Blue Eyes deck. Practicing with ABCs so that when they become available in the TCG soon I can use them too.
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I can't think of anything the Sun/Moon saga can do that would increase ratings or sales at this point compared to XY:

- Greninja fusion hype
- Competent Ash with all evolved pokemon
- Serena and a canon ship/crush
- Idol like performances which are popular in Japan
- Alan a shonen edgy anti-hero
- A real villain team subplot
- Bonnie/Clemont are the type of little sister/nerdy brother combo Japan likes

XY literally did all the major stuff Japan would love. So if they screwed this up with the finale, I can't see Sun/Moon doing anything as popular
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>>27929872
They already screwed up. Lets hope here that SM is DP 2.0
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Iku-Z is ruined for me.

I used to get goosebumps. Now I get sad.
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So are E4 Pokemon the only thing that can beat Alain's Charizard? Shouldn't Pikachu be at that point too?
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>>27928511
that "fliying" frog 10/10
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>>27929911
SM is probably going to be Orange island 2.0
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>>27929833
Better than most people say, but it just comes down to personal preference if you like watching english over sub.
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The sub is a Japanese anime.

The dub wants to be a western cartoon, not an english dub of a Japanese anime.

I think what really opened my eyes to that is the fact that TPCi never explicitly refers to the show as an "anime" or even having come from Japan. It's always "the TV animation", "the show" or just "Pokemon".
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>>27929927
Yes it should, but it struggled against Diantha's ace while Greninja didn't. I don't know what to make of Pikachu's power level.
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>>27929805

Pokemon ads don't work that way. It's not a UHF anime or a midnight one where production commitees have to rent the timeslot.
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>>27929872
Lol japan dont like xy, in 2ch always see threads about Serena is a boring character, stop lying xy fanboy
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>>27929927
Normally I'd say no, but but Pikachu really was able to go all out in the league.
I think if Ash kept Pikachu for last he would have won.
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>>27929927
>Implying
Pikachu is E4 level, undeniably.
Full health he would give M-Zard goosebumps.
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>>27929585
But the current format is hot Garbo meant for tournaments rather than fun
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>>27929971
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>>27929971
>Lol
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>>27929918
Same here. I now listen
>Motto Motto Type Wild
The hypest song in Pokemin ever
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>People want Alan to save a falling Manon like he Ash did with Pikachu
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>>27929541
right answer
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>Ash let down all fucking trainers in the Kalos region who couldn't get in the League
Let that sink in
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>>27930067
>Serena worries about Ash with other girls
>Literally wets herself over the thought of dancing with him
>Scoots closer to him in a photo and then daydreams at the photo
>A girl literally tells her to make a move on him

How long till we see this again?
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>>27930067
Will she ever get noticed?
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When does the full version of Serena's Dori Dori release?
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>>27929971
proofs or BTFO!!!!!
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Its amazing how a single character can fucked all over the Anime.
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>>27930156
tfw you just reminded me they didnt dance, what a waste of an episode .
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>>27930236
I doon't understand why they couldn't dance
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>>27930215
XY&Z19 4.0%
XY&Z20 4.0%

XY&Z37 2.0%
XY&Z38 ??%
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In the bright side Greninja will stay in the farm alongside the other jobbers. Pikachu ONCE AGAIN showed who the true boss is.
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>>27929971

He didn't lie about shit. He was right.

This season played it safe using whats popular in Japan. The animation pump gave them fights that people could look forward to, idol pandering, bigbro/lilsis. And Japan still didn't like the show with all that pandering.
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>>27929849
Going from trailers it seems to be.
>Ash and Alan are trying to escape league building.
>Ash falls to the ground and is captured
>Ends up at the top of the League building again
>Wakes up to see Alan and Lysandre (pic related)
>Alan seems to be filled with regret and rage
>Is some how freed and proceeds to battle Lysandre while he has his Doc Ock gear equipped.
>Greninja is then seen slicing off Corrupt Zygarde's tentacles

That seems to be the general order of things going by trailers. It's very likely that Alan will defect, battle Lysandre, and lose. Then Ash will battle Lysandre, win, and proceed to battle Corrupt Zygarde.

The TF arc will probably end in the one hour special. At that point there'll still be a few more episodes to wrap up the series. They could fit another battle between Ash and Alan in XYZ 44 since it's the one where Greninja is on the data broadcast, and Charizard was on the data broadcast for this week's episode I believe. Therefore, it could imply another Ash and Alan battle in which Ash wins. The last episodes can be used to wrap up the amour stuff and send Ash to Alola.

I'm very indifferent to this, and this could've been done regardless of whether or not Ash wins or loses. All it does is imply that Ash is stronger than Alan, but that could have been shown by simply having Ash win the league. They could just go the "Alan was cheating" route, which could explain his expression in this particular scene. What Alan ultimately wanted was a fair and ultimate battle against Ash, and knowing that he had outside help would anger him more than losing.

I'd prefer Ash beating Alan in the league, and Alan beating Ash in the post-league. That way Ash keeps his trophy, Alan is seen as a worthy rival, and Ash would have a reason to go to Alola.
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>>27930228
he need a lot of episodes for this

Learn of the Master
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>>27930284
I doubt Alan will fight Ash. He literally loves the guy as much as Manon. Theres no way he will fight him and if he does which is even more unlikely than Serena going to Alola. He won't fight at his full strenght and i doubt Charizard will want to fight against ash in those conditions
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>>27930179
How did Ash not see her angry with this? She was literally screaming in this scene at one point.

I don't know, why is it always so fun when a girl gets jealous over Ash with another girl? Misty's reaction to Melody kissing Ash, and your pic.
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>>27929872
We make da boy great again. It's that simple. Make Ash fun. Keep him level headed when the situation needs it. Make him spring into action. Then let him have fun. Walk off from TR. He is fucking 10 ffs. Ash just being too stupid for technology is no fun.

Give him a fem rival to spice things off and even hint shipping but not really you know? Like they work off each other. This isn't even hard to do.
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>>27930352
Nah. Its universally agreed that Tobias was better. We knew Ash wouldn't win. But in XY Alan WAS a rival with bad writting
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>>27930274
The anime's been having a drop in ratings since DP and BW. Not to mention that the movies have been doing worse after each installment.

That's actually a good thing.
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Ok, so.... After all that I ask: What was all that for? Why all that stupid hype just to shit on our face in the end?

All characters going "huuur, this frog can surpass all limits" for nothing, he couldn't even defeat a mega.

All the building of a "rival character" just for the most anticlimatic ending of all leagues, even surpassing Ritchie.

Serena and Ash failing their leagues only proving that we'll obviously have Ash in alola and at least 3 years of the same thing, even again.

All that, and WHY? Why throw away the greatest oportunity to close the saga?
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>Always thought of Ash as 14, Serena around the same, Shota as 11, Eureka as 8, and Clemont as 15
>Turns out they're all 10 aside from Eureka

God damn this time stasis is bullshit
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>>27930371
Because he's dense but cute
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>>27930375
BW 2.0 SOON
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>>27930375
Ash is hopeles. The writers obviously don't care much about him since everything about the league and Flare seems to be about Alan's character. I understand this but don't screw up Ash. Just retire him.
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>>27930375
another "canon" shipping is pointless, the fans are gonna write fics and draw pics anyway
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>chicken doesn't join the SM group
>no new trainer
>so no starter for them to pick
>so Ash gets all the starters
>only shit seasons have Ash getting all starters

Hmm..
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>>27930266
The time "ran out"
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>>27930491
DROP
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>>27930427
because team flare is the close of the saga you got invested in the wrong thing
your own problem really
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>>27930284
I wouldn't be surprised if Lysandre keeps stringing him along with the cure for Chespie. That's what I'd do in his place at least. It was what drove him to beat Ash, and I would continue to use it to drive him to work for me, on threat of losing it. We'll see what the writers manage though.
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>>27930491
>Pikachu
>Rowlet
>Litten
>Popplio
>Pikipek
>ONE (1) unique bro that could either be as cool as Hawlucha or as shit as Oshawott unless Ash keeps a team in rotation, something he only really did in BW

J U S T
U
S
T

DROP MY SEASON

UP
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>>27930359
As I said in the previous post, a rematch in XYZ 44 assuming that the Team Flare stuff ends in the one hour special. It would be pointless, but what else could they do in an episode that features a data broadcast with Greninja on it?
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>>27930274

Don't you realize there was a shift in 5 minutes that fucked up the ratings in every midafternoon anime from TV Tokyo?? Even Yokai watch was affected by that.
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>>27930228
Alan was a bad character since the beginning, but we hyped the plot AROUND him because we hoped that something incredible would happen in TF arc. They had NO fucking reason to use him in the league and it was even more retarded that he won it in an anticlimatic ending.

They hyped the frog as "legendary, unbounded, able to defeat everything", they gave him a fucking different forme as if it was "awesome", they made him lose twice to the shitty dragon in hopes that it would surpass his powers in the ending and.... WHY?

The "unbounded power" couldn't even defeat a mega, how can that be special? Why giving an alternate forme for it? Infernape didn't need it and did better than the frog. Greninja was pathetic in his "normal forme", needed friendship powers and, even then, it lost.
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>>27930509
But, what exactly was the point in not letting them dance? It's not like they are going to get together. Did the writers feel it would have gotten too romantic given how much Serena was anticipating it?
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Is Looker gonna appear at all in the Flare arc?
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>>27930579

And even with a rematch it's obvious Ash will only tie with Alan in the best scenario and hand the trophy back to Diantha. Execs will do all they have in their hands to make the MC still an underdog who only can become an equal to his rival, but never his superior.
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>>27930678
Maybe at the time of writing it they wanted to keep it as just serena blushing at ash, because if she would have danced with ash she probably would have had a fucking orgasm. She cant handle herself at all.
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>>27930464
When BW Ash was called a retard he had a funny expression to react with. If xy Ash was called retarded he would just sit there with a blank stare. Battle bot Ash needs to be stopped. Don't make him Shota bait Keep him slanky and competent. If he needs to be serious let him. Being funny does not mean he can't be competent he can be both.
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>>27930427
Biggest Dissapointment Ever
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>>27930491
>ash gets all starters
>his girl companion is a gym leader

Get ready for the drop.
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Who would be the perfect opponent for Ash to beat in order to win a future pokemon league?

Gary?
His dad?
Red?
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>>27930738
stop
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>>27930738
This. Hell, it's what makes AG/DP Ash work. He's competent but he's nowhere near infallible, and its his setbacks and occasionally poor judgment that makes his overall competence more likable.
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>>27930491
cmon now. kanto and johto weren't that bad.

unova, on the other hand...
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Do you think Ash will be less dense when he grows up? inb4 >implying he will grow up
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>>27930815
Well Johto was pretty bad, but not because of who was with him.
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Will she be this hot in the anime?
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>>27930671
>They hyped the frog as "legendary, unbounded, able to defeat everything", they gave him a fucking different forme as if it was "awesome", they made him lose twice to the shitty dragon in hopes that it would surpass his powers in the ending and.... WHY?
This is probably why I hate Ash losing the most. The hype/build-up for Greninja's synchro form amounted to just about nothing but I guess a decent fight. What makes things worst is I have this feeling they're just going to somehow end up taking that away from Ash and make it so it can't happen after the TF arc.
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You guys think a timeskip would work? Like, make Ash 14-16 yrs old and have him more serious?
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>>27930853
He should become less fucking dense now so he could see that serena goes fucking ga ga every time he looks at her.
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>>27930144
Thank you for the feels...
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>>27930880
It would be interesting depending on how they use it.
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>>27930880
I would be all for this... only if they do it well though.
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>>27930880
Honestly, DP Ash is the kind of Ash I'd envision him being during his mid-teens. He's still got that hotbloodedness and tendency to do stupid shit, but it's tempered by an added calmness to his general disposition and an ability to analyze shit to secure results. Hell, the entire battle of Ash/Paul was over half just pure mindgames and it was great.
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>>27930671
>they made him lose twice to the shitty dragon in hopes that it would surpass his powers in the ending and.... WHY?
The league isn't the ending man.
Jeez it's like you weren't even watching the show.
Greninja's power is tied to a prophecy about saving Kalos, not beating the league.

The only way it'd be a disappointment is if it couldn't save Kalos even with the form. Because that's what they were hyping up, not the league.
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>>27930880
>More serious

How much more serious can you get than in xy?
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>>27930861

Kanto I'd say is fine. It's just a different type of show. It's early stuff is more a fun gag anime, and the later half is a bit bland but it's never out right terrible.
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>>27930733
I mean considering pic related, she probably would have. But it would have been funny. Funnier than her crying in despair at not getting to dance with him IMO.
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>Litten use Flamethrower!
>Popplio use Water Gun!
>Rowlet and Razor Leaf!

DROPPED
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>>27930880
No, the disaster is already made. A "timeskip" showing ash as a champion or whatever wouldn't help much because we wanted to see him win IN A FUCKING ANIME EPISODE.

Even a "rematch" against alan will be anticlimatic and pathetic as fuck because he already lost the big prize and that proves nothing, it's like a soccer team losing the world cup finals and, months after that, winning a friendly match against the same team. Meanwhile, the narrator, with a sad smile, say something in the lines of "the defeat is avenged".
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>>27930880
Dude he's already too serious as fuck
any more serious and he'd be a fucking war veteran with ptsd
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>>27931038
The issue is more about him going down like a complete bitch to charziard without anything akin to a good fight. It makes Greninja look weak and otherwise incompetent.
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>>27931038
Are you trying to deceive me, or yourself? Yeah, go on and have fun.
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I heard they changed one of the movie endings for the dub. Which one was it?
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>>27930880
>>27931116
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>>27931116
Ano probably means him having more complex emotions, he is still very dense, simply minded and transparent
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>>27931097
>Watching the dub

Fag

>MOKURO LEEF CUHTTEER
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didn't watch bw
Why does Ash act shellshocked at the start of XY like he just came out of vietnam?
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>>27931122
They just made Alain and his Charizard OP, because MUH MANON.
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>>27931097
Litten gets flamethrower early on?
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>>27931220
Because he got fucked by a shitmon and he knows it.
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>>27931069
Yea it feels pretty shitty having them just beat around the bush with this shit.
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>>27931313
Honestly, I'm just surprised that a girl as prim and proper as Serena would steam over Ash like she did. It's borderline legit lewd.
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>>27931220
Because the writers had to fix something and they are obviously unsure what it is. Wonder what will happen in the upcoming weeks if the ratings peak at the league then flare arc is a flop.
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>>27931220
Because Alexa fugged him
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I hope the nips keep their work and don't watch the new episode to give TV Tokyo ddem ratings
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>>27931414
Omode wrote that episode, right? Obviously a female writer knows how girls think when they have crushes. I wouldn't be surprised if Omode wrote a little of her own personality into Serena.
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I'm glad we are finally admitting that XU Ash was way too serious. He wasn't to watch. All his personality from Kanto to Sinnoh went out of the window. Its a competent Ash and funny too hard to ask? He was perfect in DP
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Months ago, we used to have charts with the tier of all Ashmons, i guess it's time to do it again.

Charizard was in A Tier of His Own.

Greninja was a failure, weakling in his normal mode and lost half of his battles in "saiyan mode". Also, couldn't accomplish his objective. Maybe he can be placed in the good tier, but it doesn't deserve to be in the "great tier", along with Sceptile and infernape.

Pikachu showed how much of a beast he is and rightfully deserves to be in the hightest tier, together with charizard.
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>>27930723

>>27930723

>>27930723

What the hell is this new meme where people start and migrate to new threads without linking them here, fucks sake
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New bred:
>>27931463
>>27931463
>>27931463
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>>27931478
Team Flare arc looks too hype to skip. I think all the people who disliked the preview and ranted will still watch it. They'll jump ship after XY ends though.
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>>27931414
...Its a teenage girl or atleast I think she is (With the way she looks no way she is fucking 10) So its not so crazy to imagine.

Also serena is not proper in any way, she treats her mom like shit.
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>>27931505
It's a troll thread, look at the OP
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>>27931505
Huh, I thought the shitposters had left for the night. Guess that's where they were
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>>27931515
Yeah, use this one
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I was actually surprised at how civil and nice this thread had been
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>Alain's Char is a girl
>Ash's Charizard shows up to help Pikachu to save Ash from Team Flare since his jobber kalos team will job.
>Alain's Char falls in love with Ash's Alpha Char
>They fug and Ash gets an egg to raise the world's strongest Charizard
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>>27931114

>yfw Ash get replaced in Sun/Moon anime, however the final titles are...

>XY&Z 46: The trainer's final act! Satoshi vs. Serena!!

Satoshi is contemplating his journey and for the first time is questioning himself if being a Pokemon Master is just a childish fantasy. Meanwhile, Serena, with a never seen determination on her, asks him for a battle.

>XY&Z 47: Pokemon Center greatest crisis! Satoshi's important Decision!!

Team Rocket successfully steals a bunch of Pokémon from Miare City's Pokémon Center. However, a quartet of exotic Pokemon from an unknown place set a fire. Satoshi rushes to save the hostages and then he has a realization that will change the path of his life.

>XY&Z 48: Bye Bye childish dreams! Aloha to growing up!!

A strange female from the exotic region of Alola offers Satoshi an offer to become Pokemon Ranger. Team Rocket overhear this and they decide to follow him, no matter if he decides to become a Ranger or not.

With this, they can send off Ash and fulfill Shudo's wishes about the series, with all of the Kanto characters giving up on their childish dreams and taking more grounded roles
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>>27929927
He used up Pikachu for 2 of Alain's pseudos. I'm pretty sure Tyranitar and Metagross wouldn't have died to anything else, so it wasn't a wrong choice in hindsight.
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>>27928643
I only said original Japanese because most people rush to watch the show once it's released instead of waiting for the subtitled version. It seems like a lot of normies have only been watching the anime lately for the Kalos League arc.

Anyway, you like the name Ash better because of your childhood nostalgia. I personally like his original name Satoshi more because I have completely discarded my nostalgia a long time ago and have decided to fully acknowledge and appreciate what things were called originally from the country they were made from (in this case Japan, the anime is from there after all). But you can still call him Ash if you want to. Whatever floats your boat.

>>27928694
Alain's original Japanese name is Alan, but maybe you made a typo. And you don't have to call him Ash anymore if you completely discard your childhood nostalgia of the anime. But you don't have to if you don't want to. It's your choose.

Also, how does calling the main character by his original name make me new?
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>>27928524
I think shipping is for 12 year old girls. I don't need to take that shit seriously when watching a TV show.
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