Good Memes. Shit Memes. That is only the selfish perception of oldfags and roomfags. Truly skilled Memers should try to force the Memes they love best." - John Showderp
>Mememons:
http://dogars.org/
http://pastebin.com/0bYpM0at
>Art:
http://booru.showderp.com/
>Current champ
kabuto !PUl2Le/af2
first for ugh im gay
>>27824071
Oh shit, its been a fucking year since we had a an inspirational quote thread. Good to see you back, barabro anon :3c
>>27824098
>being gay
>>27824103
>Being straight
Get with the times shitlord
super comfy edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njCDZWTI-xg
Does anyone remember flashybulb?
I kinda miss him
>>27824100
hi
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418013209
>>27824110
>Live
They can see me being a neet from outerspace.
They can also see how much of a turbofaggot you are
>>27824109
>being
>gay
>>27824128
turbofaggot?
>that team
Smogon in a nutshell
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418015387
>>27824158
>complains about suggestions
>complains about opponent's teams
why don't you bitch it out in the battle's chat, little nigga?
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418016166
>>27824184
>triggered ferrothorn user
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418019767
>>27824199
Those Hi Jump Kicks missing
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418021524
>Cupkek subs a status condition
>Opponent forfeits
EVERY TIME
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418022278
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418023746
Noivern @ Assault Vest
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Hurricane
- Boomburst
- Flamethrower
wew/wew2 if ubers or BOOM BOOM V2.5
>that comeback
holy shit guys
ubers team
Specs Dialga with only Roar of Time
assault vest mewtwo with only toxic
heatran
>>27824479
mega mawile
http://dogars.org/set/1993
pdon
Young Thug (Scrafty) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Bulk Up
- Crunch
- Dragon Dance
- Drain Punch
if ubers, hellseed
if OU, Sia
NIDOKING
gg I'm new lol
>>27824482
why would u do this
what's the difference between a piano and a fish?
you can tune a piano, but you can't find a woman who will love you
>my meme wins the match
this is a nice feeling
>>27824479
that was amazing
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418015387
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ubers-418030822
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ubers-418033263
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ubers-418035797
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ubers-418038796
ag team
booboo keys
blood totem
magikarp
assault vest mewtwo with only toxic
PUFFY (Cloyster) (F) @ White Herb
Ability: Overcoat
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Shell Smash
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Electric]
>>27824955
Young Thug (Scrafty) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Bulk Up
- Crunch
- Dragon Dance
- Drain Punch
Mega Glalie
>>27824957
>>27824959
>>27824960
>>27824962
>>27824963
>>27824964
amazing AG team
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-anythinggoes-418047728
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-anythinggoes-418050061
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-anythinggoes-418051727
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-anythinggoes-418054772
autism the tier
one last team in monotypeif weedle is suggested first, it's poison type
life orb chikorita
dragon
mixed mega chomp
ASSAULT VEST SUNKERN WITH ONLY TOXIC XD
shroom of balance
Blood waifu
assvest sunflower toxic only
bayleaf
assault vest shaymin with only toxic
mega penisaur
assault vest bulbasaur with only toxic
assault vest assault vest with only assault vest
toxic vest assault with only assault
>>27825346
Captain Earth (Arceus-Grass) @ Meadow Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Judgment
- Giga Drain
- Fire Blast
- Protect
meme vest with only assault toxic
>>27825349
>>27825355
wow why do you give champ shitmons you pair of cunts
assault vest was a mistake
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-monotype-418061421
toxic was a mistake
toxic was an assault vest
So I think we can all agree that champs don't have to listen to that shit?
>>27825490
Yeah, it's obviously shitposting. The only half decent suggestion was Lilligant and Arceus-grass.
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-monotype-418063518
>>27825490
no, if champ is allowed to skip shitmons that just leads to a slippery slope of what is a shitmon and what not
>>27825514
except, assault vests with only toxic isn't even a strategy, it's intentional sabotage.
shitmons are fine but this isn't fun.
>>27825535
so specs weedle is okay but a strugglemon isn't?
whenever champs skip shitmons it always just leads to shitposting and more shitmon suggestions
>>27825490
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-monotype-418067864
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-monotype-418070993
new champ that was too ez
me
me or Tell Zarel
scarfed parting shot only pangoro
the pokemon which most reminds you of someone you desire who you will never get to touch, named after the first person who broke your heart
something in a low tier with a choice item
Noivern @ Assault Vest
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Hurricane
- Boomburst
- Flamethrower
>>27825842
heatmor
Dan K. Amber (Aerodactyl) @ Aerodactylite / Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
Happiness: 256
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Hone Claws
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Tail
- Fire Fang / Fly / Earthquake / Iron Tail
boomboom
>>27825853
suggester here, this is my cousin Rampardos
>>27825908
Suggester here, it's my niece vileplume
>>27825951
suggester here, this is my uncle rhyperior with only rock wrecker
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418079192
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418085793
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418088798
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418090889
>>27825568
Specs weedle can at least be optimized to do some damage.
You can't optimize struggle no matter what you do.
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418094820
new team :^)
Jirachi @ Expert Belt
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 132 Atk / 160 SpA / 216 Spe
Mild Nature
- Iron Head
- Icy Wind
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ground]
level 100 scarf latias with heal pulse only
Plato (Reuniclus) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Explosion
No attack moves Mega-Metagross
This won't work (Walrein) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Belly Drum
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang/Earthquake/Rock Slide
- Substitute/Earthquake/Rock Slide
Archeops
>>27826566
specs
weedle
tramapoline (Gyarados) @ Leftovers
Ability: Moxie
Happiness: 256
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 164 SpD
Impish Nature
- Bounce
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Taunt
me or that steelix set
>>27826566
Weavile
jews in an oven
if struggle kills a mon, change it to a togekiss named hitler
>>27826577
>>27826572
These stop being funny very quickly
>>27826577
SHIT MEME
>>27826572
SHIT MEME
>>27826572
if this gets 3 replies I'm skipping this
>>27826577
reflect/light screen/toxic/rocks imo
>>27826572
is this the new ebin shitmon?
>>27826570
>>27826572
>>27826574
>>27826577
>>27826578
>>27826583
jesus
>>27826604
>>27826607
At least Metagross gets to do some shit.
>>27826572
>>27826577
SKIPPU
>>27826609
yeah, use specs weedle instead
>>27826609
if you skip that all you get is specs weedle. It's kinda a wash.
Do not skip. Take your shitmons in stride, or I'll join the shitmon suggesters' side.
>>27826661
this
>>27826661
There is one thing like shitmons, then there is actually LE BEIN SO FUNNEH shitmons
The later are shitty forced memes
>not skipping shitmons
hello neoderp. even apt-get had a 1 shitmon clause.
>>27826661
These aren't shitmons>>27826572
>>27826577
They're OU mons but intentionally made to be completely useless.
>>27826664
Champ could also make it as slow as possible and give it an Eject Button
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418101248
>>27826692
>latias
>not a shitmon
>heals the enemies
explain this neoderp
>>27826694
Again, at least that has attacking moves
Lati@s with heal pulse and No moves are just a wasted slot of not funny shit
dyxia a shit
>>27826692
>They're OU mons but intentionally made to be completely useless
alright then let's skip 184 days mons next because they are just useless neverending pp stall lol!
>>27826609
Skip all bad memes, weedle, megagross, latixs
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418102299
>>27826737
fuck off nigger, stop putting words in my mouth.
>>27826694
>Comparing specs Azumarill to Heal Pulse scarf Latias
I wouldn't care if you were a rule nazi, but if this is your example I got bad news for you bud.
new rule: you can only suggest OU viable pokemon with smogon approved sets
>>27826757
Quit while there's still time
>>27826757
>LE EBIN SO FUNNEH MEMES
Cmon retard, is not funny and it gets boring after a fight.
At least choice weedle CAN DO SOMETHING instead of LOL STRUGGLE MON XD
What do you guys think of my new meme? Will champ skip it because it's not good enough?
dat boi harambe (Landorus-Therian) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 8 SpD / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
>>27826799
>Genie
>Actual moveset
SHIT MEME, SKIPPU AND KYS
>it's a "neoderp gets butthurt over shitmons" episode
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418106487
>>27826844
>shitmon=/=worthless mememon
Stuff like dump'd and snips are shitmons, we love shitmons.
Heal pulse scarf latias is not a shitmon, it's lower than that, it's pointless and unfunny.
>>27826844
>Its a "I suggest shitmons to watch a poor soul struggle" episode
>>27826918
>we
speak for yourself, neoderp
>>27826844
haha i got called out by others
gotta pretend i'm merely pretending to have fun watching heal pulse latias lol :-P
haha silly players
>>27826932
you don't like snips? What are you doing here.
people who want showderp to be an actual attempt to get original teams/sets to work should get their own format without struggle sets etc, either a new thread or champ could request the format
>>27827009
and then the thread immediately dies and neoderp comes crawling back
new team
shit memes not welcome desu
Wewune (Mew) @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- (Special attack of your choice)
- Calm Mind
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
OR
Wewune (Mew) @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- (Physical attack of your choice)
- Bulk Up
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
smogon-approved Unown
(/smogdex unown)
Full hazards Forretress
>>27827055
a shit meme
lombre or nuzleaf
charge birb (Zapdos) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Happiness: 256
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Timid Nature
- Roost
- Charge
- Substitute
- Discharge
My work here is (Hippowdon) (M) @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
-
no other moves
your least favorite pokemon named after someone whose balls you want to fondle or a deceased male relative
>>27827033
the format champ could request looks more doable, depends how mad healing pulse /b/ kids get
>>27827055
Nietzsche (Chatot) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Big Pecks
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Chatter
- Defog
- Encore
- Heat Wave
i don't even care (Staraptor) @ Choice Band
Ability: Reckless
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Double-Edge
- Brave Bird
- Close Combat
- U-turn
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418116105
>>27827203
> if champ is good, she can win with muh epin specs weed lel
edgy
>>27827070
>snips
>a shitmon
where exactly did you hit your head when you were little?
>>27827203
>struggle ditto is the same as snips XDDD
jej
>>27827203
>I misrepresent what you say to suit my purposes, tee hee aren't I clever?
so many meme trash talk its geting realy hard to translate all and understand this board
>>27827203
>heal pulse latias is the same as snips
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418122910
>>27827361
neck yourself
>>27827378
ez game, ez life
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418123392
It's funny how Showderp always acts like a bunch of ironic shitposters but they actually take this pretty seriously.
>>27827446
>He's STILL replying
So your autism triggers when you're not the one ending an argument? Alright, feel free to reply to this if that makes you sleep at night.
>>27827467
shit meme, stop why you aren't ahead
>>27827446
Best meme. Talk to /tv/ to make it official
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418128145
>the same people who suggest healing pulse latias shitpost with pasta
really makes you think uh
We at the Showderp room have devised a way to vastly improve Showderp, which will be implemented starting next thread.
The way we have it now, in this broken mess of a system, there are not qualifications for champing other than first-come first-serve. This means LITERALLY ANYONE can become a champ. This is incredibly problematic.
From now on, the following tiers will take place to disincentivize newfags from champing:
>less than 1 week of history on showderp and/or less than 1100 ELO
Not elligable to champ
>less than 1 month of history on showderp and/or less than 1300 ELO
Must receive 60% approval on strawpoll to champ
>less than 6 months of history on showderp and/or less than 1500 ELO
Must receive 50% approval on strawpoll to champ
Limited to 2 shitmons*
Can use 2 "meme points"** once a week
>less than 1 year of history on showderp and/or less than 1700 ELO
Must receive 40% approval on strawpoll to champ
Limited to 1 shitmon*
Can use 5 "meme points"** once a week
>greater than 1 year of history on showderp and/or 1700+ ELO
Must receive 30% approval on strawpoll to champ
Skip all shitmons*
Can use 5 "meme points"** once per day
*shitmons are defined as follows:
>anything NFE that can't run a good eviolite set
>anything RU or lower
>anything that has 2 or more useless or counterproductive moves
>anything that is crippled beyond reasonable use by item or ability
**"meme points" are used to increase champ's likelihood of success
>2 meme points: change one move of one suggestion
>3 meme points: change the item of a suggestion
>4 meme points: use the final evolved form of a suggestion
>5 meme points: discard a suggestion and use champ's choice of pokemon
>5 meme points: when someone else is champing who got less than 60% approval on strawpoll, take over champ
Any other suggestions for other meme powers/classifications of shitmons?
man I was really wondering why I left this place
thanks for refreshing my memory
>>27827590
stale pasta son
>>27827590
wtf i hate showderp now
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418133979
>>27827590
These are REALLY good ideas
memepoints...omg this is so cool thanks room
limit to shitmons...ok i like this...would help out us new here lol
quailifications...So ignoring that...these are some good ideas!
>>27827747
>implying I was talking about the mons
>>27827668
this is the shit I'm talking about
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418138325
>>27827345
>>27827361
>>27827413
>>27827446
>>27827498
>>27827566
>>27827622
>>27827668
>>27827834
>>27827866
>He's STILL replying
So your autism triggers when you're not the one ending an argument? Alright, feel free to reply to this if that makes you sleep at night.
>>27827842
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
>>27827938
>implying
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
new team
smogon-approved luvdisc
(/smogdex luvdisc)
Donnel Beldum
SPECIAL MEGA WHEN (Gigalith) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
- Power Gem
- Solar Beam
Karaokee (Meloetta) @ Kee Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock / Dazzling Gleam / Shadow Ball
- Snore
- Calm Mind
- Rest
REMOVE THORN
or REMOVE ZARDY
whichever your team hates more
NEW CHAMP
>>27828019
boom boom v2.5
Was I dropped on my head as a child?
what is this bullshit is there no champ?
me champ
>>27828043
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
>>27828046
specs weedle
oh nvm just some kids shitpost where is chimp then
>>27828067
he's building team >>27828019
>>27828020
>>27828021
>>27828023
>>27828024
>>27828025
>>27828027
>>27828063
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
>>27828067
Were you dropped on your head as child?
>>27828082
i dunno was I? i should stop using trips since im not chimp but im that autistic y'know
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418144782
>>27825568
just how I predicted it
rip bread, shitposters took over, were is janitor anyway?
first one to say "Were you dropped on your head as a child?" gets to stay on my aircraft!
>>27828165
who paid you to drop Dr. Pavel as a child?
>>27828150
i would ageo her medics if you know what i mean
>the one's bitching about shitmons are now turboshitposting
looking at you Lonely_Turret
Reminder that literally only NeoDerp hates shitposting.
>>27828205
>I wasn't bitching about shitmons, I like suggesting shitmons
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418149412
>>27828204
t. neoderp
>>27828280
t. neoderp
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418153635
>he's STILL replying
,':^J
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418158876
MAKE IT STOP
NEW CHAMP FASTO
new champ
wtf I want to champ now
or specially defensive snips
me
Feebas @ Focus Sash
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 88 HP / 244 SpA / 176 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blizzard
- Scald
- Mirror Coat
- Haze
If you can get a kill with it you can evolve it into Milotic.
>>27828759
Frogzombie (Toxicroak) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Drain Punch
- Bulk Up
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Alolan Whiscash (Stunfisk) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Toxic
- Substitute
- Protect
or
Alolan Sliggoo (Magcargo) (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Lava Plume
- Ancient Power
- Clear Smog
- Recover
She should wall standard Talonflame sets and stop Mega Sableye and Clefable CM sweeps.
Rocky Helmet also helps to deal with Scizor and U-Turn too.
Rapidash @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Drill Run
- Poison Jab
- Will-O-Wisp
specs weedle
weedle
>>27828760
oh hey and nothin personnel...kid
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418169121
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418170822
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418177879
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418180166
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418183743
new team
Bronzdong (Bronzong) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Levitate
Happiness: 256
EVs: 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Hypnosis
- Explosion
assault vest limber ditto
>>27829337
Oliver199559 (Spiritomb) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Happiness: 256
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
- Confuse Ray
- Water Pulse
- Dark Pulse
- Smokescreen
>>27829337
scarf wurmple
>>27829337
primal weedle
>>27829337
72 Virgins (Forretress) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 127 HP / 129 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Explosion
>>27829337
boostan passan
Energy Pulse (Victini) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Timid Nature
- Blue Flare
- Glaciate
- Energy Ball
- Focus Blast / Thunderbolt
[6-3-2014 22:46:53] Lil' Lil: Lil' Lil feels your dick in her small hands
>>27829337
the face when
>>27829338
>>27829339
>>27829342
>>27829346
>>27829351
>>27829352
the membres
heh....looks like I didn't get weedle.... I win...
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418189161
>>27829339
>>27829346
>>27829351
oh man I'm dying of laughter lol
that's gonna be so fun aimirite my fellow olderp :)))
>>27829415
you're literally using primal weedle
are you mad?
>>27829433
you sound upset redditor
>>27829433
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
>>27829433
>what is showderp and how do i play
>seriously i don't know i want to be friends with all of you but i'm a bit of a retard you know
>(you)
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418198468
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418200223
>>27828384
>He's STILL replying
So your autism triggers when you're not the one ending an argument? Alright, feel free to reply to this if that makes you sleep at night.
new team
assault vest limber ditto
GOTTA HEAL FAST (Tropius) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Harvest
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sunny Day
- Synthesis
- Roost
- Rest
>>27829879
Frogzombie v2 (Toxicroak) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Drain Punch
- Foul Play
- Bulk Up
- Rest
>>27829879
Sleepy Puppy (Sylveon) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
Happiness: 256
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Hyper Voice
>>27829879
specs weedle
yanmega
magikarp
U.S.A (Blastoise) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Torrent
Happiness: 256
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Counter
- Mirror Coat
- Rest
- Whirlpool
level 5 roselia named kys chump
Dan K. Amber
5 zoroarks
Togekiss
>>27828765
>>27829879
>He's STILL **champing**
So your autism triggers when you're not the one ending an argument? Alright, feel free to reply to this if that makes you sleep at night.
>>27829920
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-ou-418207141
>>27830020
New thread when this one hasn't even reached bump limit? What the fuck?