Post designs to what Littens evolution should've looked like

>>27510764
8/10
Would train

I like it.

>>27510764
Whatever I personally wanted.

>>27510764
I like it. Not sure about the fluffy neck tho

You know, this one gets posted so rarely, but it's probably better than that one that keeps getting posted as WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN vomiting lava with flame spikes coming out of its shoulders.

Basically anything besides that "leak" which is still obviously fake and has no reasonable proof of being real

>>27510764
A million times better than this piece of shit
>>27510803
>>27510808

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>>27510764
should have been more panther-like than that

>>27510803
Get the fuck out you minority piece of shit

>>27510803
>>27510808
>Skipping leg day

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>>27510821

>which is still obviously fake and has no reasonable proof of being real

I'm really going to enjoy the collages this time around.

>>27510764
>generic quadruped tiger with no personality
lol

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Literally anything is better than Baracat

>>27510764
Pretty good though I don't understand the two random things that make the ring of fire. Are they fangs? Claws? porcupine spikes?

>>27510803
>>27510808
seriously, what were they thinking? What's up with it's fucking hands?

>>27510858
this one is perfect.

>>27510858
This one is like OP's pic done a little better. I like the "official" one but I wouldn't mind this one at all.

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>>27510764
This guy.

>>27510850
What is Bara Cat then? Generic bipedal fighter take on quadruped starting fire starter.

>>27510850
>cartoonish furbait that barely even looks like a cat
Is that a better alternative?

>>27510858
Too bland and predictable.
Next...

>>27510823
10/10

Didn't realise how bad I wanted a saber tooth Mon til now

>>27510858
Your image says otherwise.

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>>27510907

>>27510850
Froasties tiger doesnt have personality either and it's ugly

>>27510861
What's wrong with its hands? It's a cartoon tiger. It's handa are actually very well drawn compared to some hands on Pokemon. Its fingers all have volume and are distinct and seperate from each other. Inability to so that is sign of bad hands. Look at Simipour's hands for badly drawn hands

>>27510907
Inb4 raikou and entie
Jus remembered Suicunes little groupies

>>27510891
If you're going to send that monstrosity, atleast have the decency to send the original scan pic and not someone's high quality edit k. No one wants to see that piece of shit in high quality.

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All this time I denied it and told myself it was fake, but I knew in my heart that it must be real because the Litten was the exact opposite of what everyone wanted.

>>27510827
Anything is better than Emboar 2.0

>>27510929
Fuck.. After4

>>27510907
>10/10
That's even worse than BaraLitten
Like sonic oc tier shit

>>27510894
>>27510902
>h-he doesn't like the generic, uninspired shitter in the OP so me MUST be a baracatfag
Well, it's nice to know that anti-baracatfags are all paranoid children now, I guess.

Litten better evolve into a tiger.

>>27510764
>>>27510850
>>cartoonish furbait that barely even looks like a cat

Says the one who thinks a muscular humanoid version of Tony the tiger is better then an actual Tiger with distinct feline features

>>27510936
>giant balloon fingers
>good

>>27510971
>y-your just a kid
ok

>>27511002
Not everything is black and white anon. Maybe you can dislike both

>>27511028
It's a fucking tiger. it's going to have large claws. That's like... a big cat thing. I explained why they were well drawn and provided a coubterexample of actually badly drawn hands.

>>27511002
See >>27510971

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>>27510821
Here's your proof spergberg.

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I need this

>>27511155
>Literally one of the most generic design you could pick
>Named after the Holocaust

>>27510764
You start, OP

>>27511155
I didn't like flame mouth on charizard x but on that it looks good.

>>27511130
Honestly, if I knew something real like that, I would draw her and mix her in with a bunch of fake shit just to fuck with people too.

>>27511155
This one is drawn well but absurdly uninspired

>>27510764
We still have a chance if split evos are real

>>27510764
>>27510823
>>27510858
Any of these would have been better. I like the sabertooth the most, but I just wanted a freakin' beast that could be ridden.

Surprised no one has posted lavapuke yet

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>>27511199
after so many """""""unique""""""" starters.... a simpler idea sounds like a breath of fresh air

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>>27511265

Tiger Mask is pretty simple honestly.

>>27510764
Look too timid and bland.
>>27510803
This looks like the asshole cartoon cat that should be on my team.

I liked the panther that came with balleo. Always found the one that turned out to be the official one pretty unappealing

>>27510823
My mom's Digimon

>>27510948
>Being this rear-flustered over the real design because what you had in your head was just oh so much better

It's Wottergate and NO ES FAKE all over again.

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>not liking bara WWE tiger
All of these are terrible, the leak is the best one.

>>27511265
>Multiquoting
Why argue if you're just going to go out of your way to look like a turbo-nerd?

>>27511292
I think my main problem with that one is its concept isn't obvious enough. Its inspired but it isn't clear. I know some people figured it out but there was really no reason to believe it was supposed to be a cannon or gun beyond the circus theme everyone hiveminded into believing. If he had nailed that a little more somehow it'd have been probably the best quadrupedal design I've seen

>>27511292
its head was small as shit and looking away or something it looked awkward as hell

Wait, did they release the evolutions for the starters? Anyone wanna spoonfeed me?

>>27510858
>>27510764
I think the problem is that this one was way too obvious and predictable if it was real
GF was probably afraid of people guessing and making fake-leak guesses of what would be an obvious final evo
So they just designed something no one could predict beforehand
All went to waste anyway since the chinks leaked it anyway

>>27511070
>Its fingers all have volume and are distinct and seperate from each other. Inability to so that is sign of bad hands.
It's a fucking tiger, it should have paws. Yeah it's fingers are distinct and have "volume" but it still looks ridiculous

This all comes down to the fact that it's bipedal. They just can't pull off paws on some half human half feline abomination without it looking laughably bad. At least on Braixen they were able to give it small, inoffensive hands, but these are so fucking big and stupid that they draw all the attention straight to them

>>27511334
>liking BIPEDAL bara

>>27511265
You an be a creative idea and still look simple. Like, for example, the wrestling tiger.

>>27511290
Now THIS is a starter I'd like.

>>27510764
Minus that guy fire ring and replace his current teeth with the sabretooth like teeth and this would be perfect.

9/10 tho would be my favorite pokemon

>>27511354
It's hands aren't drawn badly drawn is my only point. And I disagree that they failed to make it look good.

>>27511265
>Likes Tylocaust
>Doesn't like Chesnaught
Shit taste con-fucking-firmed

>>27511408
Make the scarf orange and firey

Also what's wrong with Tony the tiger

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>>27511353
>don't want to be predictable
>"I know, how about another bipedal fire type that knows martial arts!"

>>27511484
Yes?
How many fan works called that out?

>>27511484
People keep posting this like its some sort of rebuttal. It doesn't make any logical sense though. A quadrupedal tiger isn't creative because it's just a tiger then. A bipedal tiger that's bipedal because it fights isn't creative. so they're both not creative. It doesn't mean the former is better. Saying one isn't creative unresponsive to someone saying the other isn't creative doesn't immediately make the other one more creative. The logic doesn't flow.

>>27511484
It's pretty unique among all the big cats with sharp teeth and flames coming out of their bodies.

>>27511349
No, they revealed a character which apparently was drawn into a leak that's been circulating and everyone claims that it's confirmed. Even though pretty much everything else about it screams fake. For example:
1. Art style looks amateur and doesn't match with the designs of the rest of Alola's Pokemon. I mean, LOOK AT THE FUCKING HANDS.
2. Design of the trio almost completely abandons the circus theme of the first stages. In gen 6, the theme of RPG classes stuck through 100% until the end without any shadow of a doubt. Why people would think they'd just completely abandon that idea is beyond me.
3. Specific design traits to the starters just randomly disappear in the "leaks." For example, Litten is very clearly and explicitly a full on autist. The description is literally "Logical but also passionate, Litten always remains coolheaded and doesn't show its emotions on the surface." The "leak" that everyone believes doesn't retain a single word from that description in the design we've seen. Popplio is all about bouncing on bubbles, and a mermaid/siren doesn't reflect that idea whatsoever.

Plus, it's entirely possible that the dude just knew about the one character and threw her into a bunch of shit that he made up to play a big-ass prank on everyone. Hell, that's what I would do.

>>27511405
Well, I can agree to disagree about it looking good. I don't want to seem like I'm mad about people liking it. We've all got designs that we like and dislike

>>27511539
This post has converted me back to denial

>>27511512
>bipedal angry fire/fighting starter
That's literally the most predictable thing they could have done. The only reason fanart never showed that is because NOBODY FUCKING WANTS IT. We all thought this might finally be the gen where they DIDN'T make it bipedal, or at least didn't make it fire/fighting.

>>27511539
While I would love to believe that anon, that's highly unlikely. The only thing I could see happening are that these were scrapped designs and aren't the official ones

>>27511576
It being done before doesn't make it predictable, ignoring that this exact combination of features and ideas hasn't been done before won any Pokemon much less a starter. That's not how predictable works in context. That's like saying flipping a coin heads three times in a row means you can predict that it will keep coming up heads.

People are forgetting that the chink could've seen the actual girl Mallow but not seen the starter, then drawn his fake starter near the real leak Mallow and just leak both together.
Just because Mallow is real doesn't mean the leak of the starters is real too.

>>27511512
Mostly the joke ones that are just Litten's head pasted onto the top of a tiger bodybuilder. Which is because everyone was sick of that and wanted something different, and yet it's what we got anyway.

>>27511525
Exactly, which is why instead of worrying about being creative, they should have focused on making something cool and different. 'Just a flaming tiger' isn't that big of an issue when we've had 'just a turtle with cannons' or 'just a dragon'. It's still a flaming tiger! That should be awesome enough without trying to make it a wrestler.

>>27511574
There's just SO much little shit that adds up to making me really suspicious and not ready to believe it fully yet. I admit that it LOOKS like it's confirmed, but I'm not going to say that it's confirmed yet.
Also, people are forgetting that there are other things that the leaker who showed us these starter evolutions got wrong. For example, he said that the bracelet you wear uses stones like mega stones to change the form of your pokemon, almost like a fusion or new type of mega. We now know that that is DISCREDITED. The bracelet is used for Z-moves, which do NOT change your pokemon's form.
There was something else in there that was wrong, but I can't remember what it was. Also, people mention how the leaker said there'd be no traditional gym leaders. I don't take that as confirmation because I have seen dozens of people predict that just based off of the map that they showed us when they saw all the little squares and not many buildings that looked like gyms.
ALSO, people point out his "prediction" of a "fire/poison lizard" (technically salandit is poison/fire) as though it's more proof. The problem is that the leak was only ever seen AFTER salandit's announcement, and the only evidence that the leaker made the claims before the announcement is: Absolutely nothing more than some dude saying that it was "leaked" a week prior without a shred of evidence or any proof that anyone could find.

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>>27511155
>Tylocaust

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>>27511539
>denialfags are more desperate than ever coming up with even more outlandish theories and baseless assuptions

>>27511635
No, they shouldn't focus on doing something "different", if only for the dakr of it. They SHOULD focus on making a design that's cool and has a cool idea and they think appeals to whoever they want to appeal to, do whatever that design lends itself to, being bipedal or not. This archetype of character in particular is really popular in Japan. The cat-headed wrestler. Its one that's repeated a lot and you can see it in a lot of media. It's one they probably thought people would think was cool and appealing. They didn't do a quadrupedal design just because they had never sone it before.

>>27511613
Fuck off. This is beyond predictable.

>>27511613
No, it's like saying that just because we had a small normal type rodent early on in the last 6 games means you can expect we'd get one again. And we did.

The fact that everyone wished and hoped that they would do something different means that the bipedal fighter was something people saw as a predictable default.

>>27511539
Anon...you have to stop with the denial. It's getting pretty pathetic at this point. You're severely overlooking the damning evidence of Mallow being in the concept art weeks before her official reveal. How could you possibly still believe the leaks are fake in the face of that fact?

>>27511705
>doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over isn't bad!!!!!

>>27511705
>if only for salt of it
For the sake of it. There has to be a reason tonmake it quadrupedal or bipedal, not just because it's not something they've never done before. This is why they did the bogyms thing in Alola for example. They've said they played with not having gyms as an idea for a long time before. And they finally had a concept an dudes for a world where that makes sense to not have gyma. That didn't just do it anywhere.

>>27511743
But people also bitch when they change stuff.

>>27511694
>baseless assumptions
>long post with lots of clear reasons why it doesn't seem real
>tasteless fags still blindly accepting anything they see

>>27511708
Then why did nobody predict it?

>>27511742
That only confirms that the leaker knew about Mallow. As I've said hundreds of times already, if I knew about a prominent character, I'd slip her into a bunch of shit I made up just to cause this exact thing.

>>27511705
I'd argue they should focus on something different. Not necessarily go out of their way to make something wild, but they should be avoiding doing the same thing over and over again.

>>27511743
Can you quote where I said that? I'd like to see it. Because that would be a really silly thing to say and I would immediately kill myself on webcam if I said that. It would be the honorable thing to do.

>>27511773
Because it was such a boring idea that everyone treated it as a joke.

>>27511193
you'd be a retarded fake leaker then because you'd be running the risk of the actual starters coming out at the same time or well after your halfassed attempt at a redherring. good thing you're not a fake leaker though, because clearly you'd be as bad at that as you are at everything else.

>>27511787
>reaching this much

>>27511757
Yeah, genwunners and Go players. They can kill themselves.
>>27511773
I forgot, you didn't come to 4chan before Go came out. My bad. Everyone has been saying "they'll probably ruin it and make it another bipedal fire/fighting pokemon instead of something interesting" since Litten was revealed. Nobody DREW a bipedal fire/fighting pokemon because nobody WANTS a bipedal fire/fighting pokemon.

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>>27511773

>>27511791
But I mean, to them they aren't doing the same thing over and over again. I'm sure they aren't going in thinking the identifying feature of all previous fire starters was that they were all bipedal. The ideas for the designs lent themselves to that and that's just how they happened to end up. I'm pretty certain they aren't focusing on such a small thing that really doesn't matter. To them, this evolution isn't "humanoid tiger" which is the same as "humanoid chicken, pig, and fox". The idea to them is "the cat headed wrestler combined with the concept of a heel "bad guy" a n wrestling" which of course would be a guy that stands up.

>>27511832
Not a luchador

>>27511817
>running the risk
What risk? You don't go to jail if you get found out. Also, I understand that Game Freak has ALWAYS revealed starter evos around the end of the pre-release season and they reveal important characters earlier. So fuck off with your dumb ass until you know what you're talking about.

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El tigre can hang itself. So sick of this humanlike/muscley/fighting trend with fire starters.

>>27511613
It's a slightly different version of what's already been done

>>27510764
3/10
quadrupedal shit

>>27511876
Neat concept

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this one

>>27511849
If the idea to them is 'fire type that knows a martial art', then did they not see that the identifying feature of half the other fire starters was also that?

Why does Litten even become a heel wrestler? All the info we have on it is about how it's calm, doesn't show much emotion, but saves those it cares about in a pinch.

heel tiger is far more interesting than the billion fan "its a big tiger and its on fire" attempts at a litten evoltuion

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>All these Predictable designs.

El Tigre is a way to go.

>>27511985
This. Tiger Mask is a based design, unlike tiger + fire.

>>27511984
Does a starter have to have a weird gimmick? Why is 'bigger version of the starter' not allowed as a design anymore?

>>27511960
But it ISNT the identifying feature of those other starters. The closest is Blaziken where there isn't any concept to it I'm aware od other than its a very abstract bird that fights or in other words "a humanoid chicken that knows martial arts". I'm sure the base idea of the starters wee rmore like monkey king, chinese warlord pig, and fox wizard, and of course those all just end up walking on two legs naturally and that's just how it ended. It didnt HAVE to be heel wrestler, but it doesn't HAVE to be anything. They used an idea they thought was cool.

>>27511960
There are lots of Pokemon that change their personality as they evolve.

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Not sure if this has been posted yet but it's a badass final form.

>>27511985
>implying tigre wasn't predictable

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>>27511768
>m-muh taste!
That isn't even an argument, but keep reaching, denialfag. Everything you've said is based upon opinions and speculation. It's pure denial, and the evidence here is staring you in the face.

Between Serebii, the Chinese leak, that guy getting blocked on Twitter by Sugimori for posting the art, and Mallow being present next to Litten, the only evidence that they aren't real is "b-but I don't like those designs!"

Pathetic.

>>27512127
Yeah clearly everyone thought it was going to be a heel masked wrestler and not a sabertooth tiger on fire

>>27511960
Exactly. Litten is an aloof, chill fucking housecat. How it becomes yet another martial arts meathead is beyond me. I wanted an elegant lava panther.

And to all the contrarian degenerates who would say "BUT IT JUST GETS BIGGER XD", who fucking cares as long as the design looks good? No one complains about Typhlosion or Swampert.

>>27512044
HOT Topic Pokemon?

>>27512162
I don't see a mask on it.

>>27512176
>elegant lava panther
>elegantfags
I'm glad Litten became a wrestler, if it makes you people mad.

>>27512127
Then why is this thread filled with quadruped fire tigers instead of lucha tigers?

(^:

>>27512176
Actually a lot of people complain about Typhlosion especially. It also implies the design we got isn't "good". We're also missing A) a transitional stage and B) actual description of what this guy is like. Even without that Pokemon change natures all the time. I can tginknof any off the top od my head because it iant. A detail I commit to memory, but I recall for example yungoos being said to do a total 180 into gunships, and that didn't even get a middle transition stage, for the sake of an idea they thought was cool or dun in Contras to the first form being a more realistic description of the animal it's based on

>>27512075
This.
I just wanted a big flaming cat on four legs because EVERY fire starter is on two. EVEN FUCKING TYPHLOSION. At least the owl is dope. Anybody else change their pick?

>>27512090
It's not like starters have a single identifying feature. Just because Infernape was Sun Wukong doesn't make him stop being a bipedal fire martial artist. Just because Emboar is based upon a chinese look doesn't make him stop being one either.

Are you trying to say that they all got amnesia for gens 3-5, because I'm not sure how else they could ignore that.

Again, they don't have to do something different just for the sake of being different, but they also should be able to recognize when they're getting repetitive.

>>27512150
I posted a shitload of evidence why people should be more suspicious of anything that's come from that leaker, because he was wrong about a lot of things.

>>27512203
The tiger head is the mask you dumbo. The cat headed wrestler is to my knowledge a pretty common and actually beloved archetype in Japan.

>>27511705
Why make litten quadrupedal then? Why start with normal cat and not evolve into normal bigger cat, but instead go to "gay humanoid wrestler with cat face"?

>>27512273
Typhlosion has a huge fucking fanbase. I would say that most people really don't care that he just gets bigger. The same people that don't like him are probably the same faggots that actually like luchador garbage

>>27512162
Everyone wanted it to be a sabertooth tiger on fire, so they drew art of it.

Nobody wanted the fire/fighting kickboxer they were expecting, so the only art for that is jokes.

The only way it isn't predictable is that people figured that they would have enough self awareness not to do the same fucking thing again.

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>>27511290
this woulda been great

>>27512319
No you didn't. You posted a ton of opinions and stuff you didn't like.

>>27512279
I'm waiting for the second stage of Litten. If it stays quadrapedal I'm just gonna keep it there. If not, I'm probably gonna go Rowlet.

>>27512347
The same reason Tepig evolves into Emboar. Because everyone loves Emboar right?

>>27512406
Hey, not too bad of an idea there friend

>>27512287
But that's not looking at the big picture. They aren't making designs based on "bipedal fighting Pokemon fire starters" because that isnt what they are to them and not what they should be to you or anybody. I guess you could say it's amnesia to not look at the other starters, buy the difference is they aren't looking for what you are looking for. To them the designs aren't "humanoid fighting animals". That's what they are in a broad sense, but that's what a lot of Pokemon in a broad sense. Pokemon concepts are more than that. Its unfair to look at them in such a broad category like that. I don't think it HAD to be bipedal, but they had an idea they liked and they went with itband it happened to lend itself to being bipedal. If they'd thought of an idea that worked better as a quadruped they would have done it but I guess they just didn't this time.

>all these niggers implying that quadrupedal = uncreative

You're all insufferable dickweeds. Stop with the luchashit apologia. NO ONE asked for another bipedal fighter. Just because it's "surprising" doesn't make it good.

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I knew the fake leaks were too good to be true

>>27511683
>>27511539
Oh yeah, here's another reason why I'm suspicious:
>Images of the three evos were "leaked"
>People started pointing out how there was no "confidential" stamp on them, and how the real concept art all seems to have that printed on it
>people started adding the "confidential" stamp
Why would this happen if it was real?

>>27512347
Why not? Does it matter if it's quadrupedal and then evolves into something that isn't? That ain't a new or strange or unusual thing in Pokemon at all, either four to or vice versa. Litten being quadrupedal wasn't a promise or indication of anything. We also know the starters can be designed separately, so it's possible the idea came after they had already designed Litten.

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All I wanted was a cannon tiger that keeps the fuse tail

>>27512503
And just because it isnt quadrupedal doesn't mean it's bad. It goes both ways.

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I-I'm fine with the real one...

>>27512584
They easily, easily could have made a bipedal design that WASN'T another fighting theme too.

i'm glad you fucks don't design Pokemon. All of these are just boring it just gets bigger bullshit with no extra traits other than "it's a cat but on fire lol"

all because you have a hard on for keeping a starter quadruped for some reason.

Game Freak HATES being repetitive. Admit this, everyone here knows it. They absolutely REFUSE to retain major features in games, regardless of what people thought of them, and only rarely bring them back. Hell, look at follower pokemon. EVERYONE loves that feature from HGSS, but they will never allow it to happen ever again. The safari zone changes every gen. Transferring pokemon changes WILDLY every gen. Look at the dream world shit. Look at the underground. Look at the changing seasons in gen 5. I'm honestly astounded that we're getting trainer customization and amie back in Gen 6. Why, of all things would they decide to make every single fire starter the exact same shitty design that nobody likes?

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>>27511248
I think you meant pic related, fampai.

What is the theme of starters? I mean they aren't all wrestlers? its not like tank/mage/dps in xy. So what is it?

>>27512684
It WAS circus, but if the "leaks" are real, then there just straight up isn't a theme.

why are fakemon drawers so fucking uninspired?

>ever rowlet evo becomes a big owl with big leaf eye brows and some sort of suit
>every popplio evo becomes a bulky clown
>every litten evo becomes a quadrupedal flaming tiger

>>27512653
Go choke on the dick of your fucking furbait trash heel pokemon

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>>27510803
seriously, who would like this shit?
I mean Im not a fan of >>27510764 either
but this wrestler one just looks so fucking.... generic...
Its like some random side character you see on a saturday morning cartoon.
I cant be the only one who thinks this design is just fucking uninspired.
needless to say that Fire/Fighting is fucking retarded.

>>27512584
No, it being bipedal isn't necessarily bad. It's clearly not what people wanted, but that isn't bad in and of itself.

It also isn't technically objectively bad that they made yet another fighter out of it as well. It is somewhat repetitive though.

The thing is, they could have also done a quadruped, or even a biped, and given it a theme that wasn't so similar to other fire starters. Like the OP pic of a Tiger jumping through flaming rings. Even Delphox being a wizard was at least a change of pace from something that had gotten tiresome by Emboar.

I personally feel that making all the final evolutions of starters too similar will make them blend together and feel less special, which is indeed a bad thing. The leaked version just feels like another Emboar to me, and I wasn't a fan of Emboar the first time either.

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WHY DO ALL THE FIRE STARTERS END UP BEING BIPEDAL

FUCK YOU GAMEFREAK REEEEEEEEE

>>27512653
Except, most people really just wanted an actual cat on fire instead of another fighting humanoid. If you think it has to be a hideous bara to be interesting, you're the retard

>>27512639
They could have, sure, I guess. But they had an idea that was, and because thebother atarter's concepts are not just "bipedal fighting animals" but rather what they actually are (monkey kind, Chinese warlord, etc.), I'm sure it didn't register such a huge issue to them because none of them are even close in feeling to a mean, bad guy wrestler cat. It's as I keep saying, the doing an idea they think is cool should come before soon something " different" for the sake of it. If the cool idea they come up with is similar in such broad strokes as "it's bipedal" and "it learns fighting moves", then I don't feel that's any reason to not do it. Even statewise there still a couple ways for it to be unique.

>>27512684
>>27512712
Brains
Brawn
Beauty

Someone also posted a way they could all be in the circus but I forgot what the Archer's was (Trick something)

>>27512562
same here buddy :c

>>27512653
See >>27510764

Remember how there was supposed to be a circus theme? How big cats are known for jumping through rings of fire at a circus?

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>>27511290
>it pukes lava
>fire/ground starter
jesus fuck kill the guy who designed Barafurbait and take his place

>>27512712
It WASNT circus. It never WAS circus. That was bullshit headcanon. We don't know the theme. I have two in my head it could be (famous characters, brains/brawn/beauty) buy fern if there was no theme starters haven't had 100% word of God confirmed themes until gen V anyway. It would be nothing new or unusual.

Does anyone have that concept art with the one that's half white and half black, and features images of a canon, a ring of fire etc? That one was amazing

>>27512554
No, it doesn't matter. I like slowpoke line, which does the same thing. The problem is that it evolves into something wildly different than its base form. Which I think is stupid. The only recognizable features that baracat has with litten is head and colour scheme.

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Only this, my life for this.

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>>27511334
the issue is the bipedal tiger.
thats just as original as fire/fighting for a fire starter.

If their theme was "generic shit", then yes they did well but just because they did well with that doesnt make it good.
Its clearly not.
Seth and Kevin Owens are the best

>>27512844
Starters often, especially nowadays, are "wildly different" from their base form. That isnt strange or unusual either. Hell, this actually really looks like a huff Litten standing up if you want to be really loose about it. I'd think it's more likely this was related Litten than Empoleon to Piplup or Torchic to Blaziken.

>>27512811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIcGwVX1eu8

Some sketchfag whip this up:

>Litten standard pose
>Litten2 larger, fuller anatomy, the tail has been lit and half the length of it is burning. You can see a silhouette of the rest of the tail shape in the flame. The sulfur marking now includes two red rings around the eyes to make it complete, and the top protrusion is a long, thin tuft of fur trailing off the forehead. Legs are longer, so add another ring of red bands, and place some small red circles on the shoulders and hips like Umbreon. These are abstract target symbols a la circus. Some of his fur details are the grey color inside his ears. No white.
>Litten3 full bodied tiger anatomy, his entire tail is now burning, and the line of fire trails all the way up to the back of his neck, over the top of his head and touching the wavy too of the sulfur symbol, giving it the impression of a thin billowing mane of fire. The sulfur symbol is now shaggy with fur, and smoke is pouring out from behind it creating a ring like the cannon has just fired (tail/wick head/barrel). On either side of his burning mane, the fur is a lighter grey like it's burnt a path through his black fur. Make the targets larger and the rings shaggier.

Lit, burning, blast, 1 2 3

>>27511290
Despite its lack of inspiration I can't say that a big lava-drooling saber-toothed tiger wouldn't be cool as shit.


>>27512562
I really wonder why they went with a luchadore when the first form has a fuse, shoots fire (hair)balls out the other end, and has the symbol for sulfur (a component in OG black powder) on its face. Seems like a waste of heavy theming.

>>27512957
I think it's because Tony is fucking fake

>>27512767
But merlio has no legs

>>27512957
The problem is there was no "theming". There was nothing there. The tail wasn't a fuse, the stripe on its head wasn't the symbol for sulphur. And the spitting thing has been reflected the "Asian mist"technique, where wrestlers spit colors dliquid in the eyes of their opponent which you can see in the litten3 concept art. It's a very well known and signature heel move.

>>27511174
caust is a greek root for fire.

Another fire fighting?

Another bipedal fire starter?

And look at those retarded fucking mongoloid hands.

What a joke, a fucking joke.

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>>27512610
Yeah, me aswell!
Love all 3 final evolutions!!!

>>27513011
Stay mad, quadrupedfag.

>>27512793
I don't follow
How does archer=brains?

>>27513011
Fire Dark

>>27513030

Cause owls is smart, duh

>>27513030
It wears glasses, owls are often thought of as "wise", and I thought archers/sniper were usually the "smart one" anyway in the five man band

>>27513028
I'm done venting. You on the other hand have shit taste, and probably fap to cartoon animals.

>>27513042
wew

>>27513030
Glasses are often used to signify a character of higher intellect.

>>27513030
Wears glasses and the art suggest he's a smartass like the picture of him lifting one "finger" as if to explain something

>>27510764
the real starters is the blunder of nintendo's fiscal year

killed any hype I had for the game.

>>27512654
>he doesnt want every fire starter to end up as Fire/Fighting
>he probably doesnt want every water starter to end up as a Water/Ice pokemon
>he also isnt in favour of Grass starter staying Grass
>he thinks he liked the follower pokemon feature
Face reality, Fire/Fighting is super cool, Water and ice just fits and nobody likes DUDE WEED. Also a majority of people disliked the following feature. We have ressources that tell us that. Now go hug the official Lucario™-plush and be happy.

...You DO own a Lucario™-plush, right?

>>27513086

Sounds like he's praising Allah

Lit kitten
Tail is a fuse
Hair balls are wee little cannon balls
Has the sulfur symbol on his face
Alchemical for gunpowder
Pals are circus themed
Deal and knife thrower

If the wrestler is real, and it isn't, this would be an insane oversight. This theming isn't not there.

None of the designs posted in this thread are better than Tiger Mask. Just a bunch of generic tigers
>>27510764
>>27510823
>>27510858
>>27511155
>>27511876
>>27512570

And edgy shit
>>27511290
>>27512044

The mega looks decent though
>>27512522

>>27513000
Fuck you
Its name had the word lit in it and the tail was clearly a wick
Also spitting liquid =/= spitting fiery furballs

>go into this thread
>see all the wasted potential

I don't care who designed baracat I want him killed and I want him killed slowly

>>27513128
you have objectively shit taste.

>>27513128
>hates on lavapuke and sabletooth
>supports Barayiffe

end yourself, furry

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>>27513086
>>27513115

>>27513108
>Water/ice Starter

Which one was that again?

>>27513155
me too.

>>27510858
I came.

>>27513169
>Lavapuke is the embodiment of DeviantArt

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>>27512878
It's one of those things like Klefki where nobody outside of Japan gets the reference.

Who in the west have ever heard of Tiger Mask?

>>27511155
I came even more.

>>27513128
Tell that to the rest of the world that's upset with the real life thunder cat

>>27513124
None of that theming was there. Get over yourself. This is becoming "it isn't what my headcanon said it was going to be!!" level criticism and not actual criticism of the design itself. Back when Litten was first revealed there was a collection of cartoon tigers that had the exact same or similar head marking to show that it was just a striped design thing and with any symbolism the thing on its tail is just a fucking thing and absolutely no significance, it's lit + kitten because lit can be related to fire and matches the first syllable of kitten, it's black because it is a black cat and that's it, I can go and on about how none of this shit meant anything, an Dif this is real it just proves that it meant nothing, not that there was a fucking "oversight" and they forgot it was "supposed" to be a fucking cannon cat halfway through. Thr only one related at a to the circus was Popplio who had to distinguish itself from another water type blue seal/sea lion thematically by upping the performer motif

>>27512522
Post the Ballio and Owltair lines

>>27513205
I'd say an Ultimate Muscle reference would've had a better chance but they already did that 20 years ago

>>27513247
The invested fanbase who bitch about stupid shit like a fire starter being bipedal is not representative of "the rest of the world".

>>27513257
You might be the biggest faggot who has ever replied to me on /vp/, my man

Mind if i screencap it?

>>27512728
>implying it's not fire/dark

>>27512878
>liking spoiled 8 year old that hates sharing his toys: the heel
Deanetty >>> Stephanie's bitch >>>>>>>> shit > Big Show >>>> Roman

>>27513309
I'd think the person going "he was supposed to be a circus cannon cat and they forgot that and designed something totally different how could Gamefreak be so stupid!" would be the faggiest and most quintessentially entitled shit ever seen but do what you want

>>27513293
Sorry, rest of the Internet. Better? But seriously while there are some people who love the litten evo, there are A HUGE majority of people who hate it. Even people who aren't litten fans hate it. Let's not even mention everyone who hasn't seen these pictures. I see people going "Litten is so cute! I can't wait till it evolves into a bad ass Tiger! I need the evolutions now!!" Surely they're going to be in for a storm when they see the 4th bipedal fire starter evo based on a certain form of fighting.

>>27513359
Well sure but you think a lot of stupid shit, don't you? Thanks dude

>>27510764
>>27510823
>>27510858
>>27511155
>>27511876
>>27512570
>this tryhard "majestic" shit
Fucking garbage. It doesn't fit the mangy hairball-spitting ally cat it evolves from at all

>>27511290
This one's not too bad. It could use more personality, but it's fine.

>>27510803
>>27510808
Still the best. I'm glad it's likely real. It has a ton of personality to it. It looks like the kind of asshole that'll spit a flaming hairball at you to get the upper hand. I love the wrestling heel motif. It would be heckoff a lot better if it was a quadruped, but everything else makes up for it.

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>>27513293
>>27513371
Well it's definitely what the majority of /vp/ thinks. Pic related, apologists

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>>27510823
Fuck my life.

>>27513373
>It doesn't fit the mangy hairball-spitting ally cat it evolves from at all

And el tigre barashit does? Wow, you're retarded

>>27513373
>tryhard majestic shit

>likes hairballs, assholes, and wrestlers

objectively shit taste

>>27511293
>digimon
nigga that's clearly neopets x kingdom hearts
learn your fucking styles if you're gonna shitpost

>>27513371
See this is a very common misconception. The majority of Pokemon players are NOT the people who go on internet forums and bitch about inconsequential shit like this. You do NOT represent the majority. That's why these games don't have difficulty tailored to these people for example. That's why the story is not tailored to these people. Even on the internet the English speaking forums themselves that we interact with are still only a fraction of internet activity. Do you claim to know how the Japanese fanbase reacted to this Pokemon? How kids wilreact to it?

>>27513373
>It doesn't fit the mangy hairball-spitting ally cat it evolves from at all

And being a heel wrestler doesn't fit the fireball spitting calm and logical cat either.

I'd much rather have a more generic majestic tiger, and based on how much art there is for it, most people seem to agree.

>>27513479
I actually showed the leaked evolutions to my relatively casual coworkers today. They all thought the Litten evo was hideous

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>>27512522
Cannonpard was on a whole another level. The guy who drew le tiger couldn't even draw hands.

>>27513479
>Kids will never be able to dream about riding on the back of a Fire starter again, since after Charizard and Typhlosion they've all been too humanoid

>>27513450
>>27513505
Yes it does. Litten looks like an asshole and it evolves into an even bigger one.

>implying hairballs, assholes, and wrestlers don't make great monsters

>>27513505
If everyone drew fanart of you jumping off a cliff, would you?

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I mean, if they HAD to do fire/fighting, this is leagues better than the barashit.

>>27513511
And that means what? I showed my friends and they thought it looked awesome.

>>27513505
>And being a heel wrestler doesn't fit the fireball spitting calm and logical cat either.
>I'd much rather have a more generic majestic tiger, and based on how much art there is for it, most people seem to agree.
You're ignoring that we don't have the middle evolution. What you're doing right now is Skipping from episode 1 of Dragonball to the Cell saga and getting mad that Goku is now a blond alien father with no explanation

>>27513479
While other people might not dislike it or get in arguments about it, it just takes a casual glance at a google image search for litten evolution to see what people were expecting.

>>27513549
That looks like shit

>>27513531
Fuck this is sweet

>>27513534
There are plenty other quadrupedal fire Pokemon to envision riding around on. Why does it have to be a starter? Don't claim to speak for children in general

>>27513549
>>27513592
And it's still barashit. The fat kind of barashit.

>>27513548
Absolute shittiest taste I've ever witnessed

>>27513531
that's dope

>>27513554
>You're ignoring that we don't have the middle evolution.

And saying that a mangy alleycat couldn't possibly become a majestic tiger isn't ignoring the middle evolution?

>>27513610
Well, you have the right to have your own opinion, I guess

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>>27513566
This is what pokemon would look like based off your argument

>>27513597
>Why does it have to be a starter?

Because starters are special. Riding around on a Charizard is cooler because you remember when it was still a charmander

>Don't claim to speak for children in general

You mean like >>27513479 did by trying to imply that everyone would love this?

>>27513549
Still bara, but I'd take this over the lucha trash any day

>>27513554
No, the problem is that anyone who's not a 12 year old WWE fan is not going to want this abomination.

I wanted a badass fire-breathing saber-tooth tiger...not some evil muscular wrestler anthro that shoots fire from his friggin' belt.

>>27513549
>fat worm arms
>tail belt holding bathrobe on
>derp face
jesus fuck I really thought it couldn't get any worse than tony el tigre

>>27513531
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANT THIS

>>27513645
Are these not better than what we got?

>>27513645
And some of those are quite nice designs, some of them even look rather similar to the ones we got.

But that wasn't my point. My point was that many people clearly wanted Litten's final evolution to be a quadraped, and anyone trying to claim that's some minority is delusional. People clearly wanted a tiger.

>>27513645
Top left is pretty fucking boss compared to what we got, I might've had to choose which one looks the best instead of which one is the least shit last gen if that'd happened.

>>27513617
No it totally is, but basing Litten's final stage off his first isn't the way to go
>>27513646
>iding around on a Charizard is cooler because you remember when it was still a charmander
What? Do you just forget when your Arcanine was a Growlithe?

>>27513653
>No, the problem is that anyone who's not a 12 year old
You mean the primary demographic?

>>27513679
Some of them are, yeah. The anon you're talking to is a faggot

>>27513688
>But that wasn't my point. My point was that many people clearly wanted Litten's final evolution to be a quadraped, and anyone trying to claim that's some minority is delusional.
No, people expected a quadruped
>People clearly wanted a tiger.
He's still a tiger

>>27513698
>Do you just forget when your Arcanine was a Growlithe?

Do you start the game with a Growlithe? Again, starters are special.

>>27513717
Human with a tiger head is not a tiger you fucking apologist

>>27513696
>Top left is pretty fucking boss
>>27513699
You're either joking, or have shit taste

>>27513549
That looks OK but I still prefer lucha litten.

>>27513698
>You mean the primary demographic?

Pokemon markets exclusively to WWE fans who are 12? News to me.

>>27513698
>remembering growlithe/arcanine at all
A) Growlithe is not your first pokemon that's been by your side for your entire journey and
B)Why would you give a shit about another fire mon when you already have an excellent one in your party that looks like a fucking dragon no less? Where you never 10?

>>27513745
>sycophants

>>27513720
That doesn't answer the question. Do you forget when your Arcanine was a Growlithe?
>>27513743
It's not a human, it's a bipedal tiger

>>27513717
>No, people expected a quadruped

Expected and wanted are pretty aligned there. People certainly weren't bemoaning it being a quadruped, and people were worried that it'd be another bipedal fighter.

It's clear that people wanted a quadrupedal flaming tiger.

>>27513645
The first one is better than what we got

>>27513688
It IS a tiger, and the delusional one is the one who thinks the invested fanbase on the internet ARE the majority. It's the same in any "fandom". The amount of people with the ability to actually draw and upload the own ideas is an even smaller portion of the even more invested fanbase. That's why those people so often complain about things that don't like that keep happening or trends the don't like. Because the games or media aren't reflective of their opinions. It's the trend towards easier games, or more harem anime, or whatever else.

>>27513745
A faggot who likes baracat is telling other people something about taste
Low brow comedy anon

>>27513748
Yes Pokemon markets to 12 years olds
>>27513750
Anon, there's a difference between "This pokemon is my starter" and "I remember when this pokemon wasn't fully evolved"

>>27513745
Not even slightly. It's clearly the best out of all the designs in that image and far better than what we actually got in any case.The fox and hedgehog could use a bit of cleanup so they read better but still 7.5/10 beats the hell out of the 2/10 Delphox and Chesnaut we got.

>>27513717
>people expected a quadruped
That is boring and stupid.
Bipedal all the way.

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I don't even care that this is edgy, I just hate the fucking nacho libre thing and would take anything over it at this point

>>27513645
Anybody got big wizard hat delphox?

>>27513758
No, it's an anthro tabby cat.

Nothing remotely tigeresque.

>>27513646
I didn't imply everyone would love this. Where did I say that? Can you quote it for me? What I DID say was that the amount of complaining we can visually see is only a vocal minority of opinions in grand scheme.

>>27513758
>That doesn't answer the question.

Because the question misses the point. Remembering when your charizard was a charmander is special, because he was the first pokemon you got, and the only one you had for quite some time.

Remembering when an Arcanine was a Growlithe isn't as special, because you either lucked into finding him or knew where to get him and spent some time hunting.

Don't get me wrong, riding an Arcanine is cool too, but starters are special.

>>27513794
They're pretty closely connected dude. Your starter is your very first pokemon, the one that you have to use for at least a few fights and the one you're most likely to remember each stage because leveling is slow in the beginning and you can't exp. share level mons without using them yet.

>>27513777
>People certainly weren't bemoaning it being a quadruped,
You're right, they were hoping it wasn't a generic tiger, and that's all the fan designs are.
>and people were worried that it'd be another bipedal fighter.
But it's a Fire/Dark
>It's clear that people wanted a quadrupedal flaming tiger.
No, it's clear that they expected it

>>27513779
>Chespin and Fennekin just get bigger
>Froakie becomes cloud lizard
No, just unoriginal garbage

>>27513794
>Yes Pokemon markets to 12 years olds WHO ARE WWE FANS

Ignoring parts of a sentance doesn't make them go away

>>27513807
>implying 4 legs is always uncreative

God, I hate summer. Fucking kids with their edgy opinions.

>>27513852
>Implying 2 legs is always uncreative

>>27513849
>>27513794
You two are equivocating and fighting over who has control of the goal posts and meanwhile Tony the Tiger is still fucking garbage

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>>27513846
BUT I DONT CARE IF ITS FIRE/DARK.I DONT WANT ANOTHER BIPEDAL STARTER

>>27513872
>implying 2 legs couldn't be anything else other than martial arts themed

>>27513826
Let's not forget all the other pokemon that you can ride on now. Sure we could fly with Charizard, ride on Mudsdale and Surf on Sharpedo, but riding your starters would be beyond cool. Imagine riding a flaming tiger, soaring on a majestic Owl and Surfing on a sea lion. Of course these leaks crush these dreams on riding on your beloved starter. Ain't no body riding on Tony and Robin Hood

>>27513846
They "just get bigger" in the same way as the gen one starters, that is bigger and more menacing with one additional feature (or none in Venusaur's case). Even if they didn't just getting bigger is still better than what we got.

>>27513819
Except for it's head, and the stripes, and the paws, and you know the general tigerness of it.
>>27513826
>Because the question misses the point.
No, the question was straight to the point. "Remembering when X was Y" isn't "This was my first pokemon and we've been through X together since I got him at the start of my journey."

>>27513822
>I didn't imply everyone would love this. Where did I say that?

You didn't say it. You implied it by trying to make it seem like a small fraction of people complaining by pointing out how the vast majority of people haven't said any complaints. You were trying to hint that the majority of people would like it.

>>27513826
This implies something like a kid would only feel a special connection to their starter. I think you know that's false. If a kid wants to envision riding a Pokemon, there are plenty of them for them catch, and it may even become their favorite because of that. I think a kid killing themselves because their car didn't stay on four legs is going to be a relatively small portion of them. And this guy is a huge muscle dude. They can still imagine getting a piggy back ride.

>>27513872
Only after 6 generations of nothing but two legs.

>>27513894
>except for its big foam novelty gloves, goofy mascot mask, and... discount furry buttplug I guess?
literally my mom's fursuit

>>27513887
>Implying any other two legged starter is a mean, heel wrestling tiger
>Also implying the initial post was a complaint about the idea and not about how many legs it stood on

>>27513849
Because that part is irrelevant. The game is marketed to 12 year olds, so yes 12 year olds are going to like designs made for 12 year olds, their other hobbies are just going to further it

>>27513852
Based off the designs in this thread, yes

>>27513893
>They "just get bigger" in the same way as the gen one starters
Charizard went from a Salamander to a dragon, Blastoise gained cannons. Venasaur is the only one where "They just get bigger" applies

>>27513882
I want another bipedal starter.

>>27513846
>But it's a Fire/Dark

A wrestler

>No, it's clear that they expected it

And can you prove that people expecting it means they disliked it? Plenty of people liked Litten. Plenty of people hoped it to become a quadrapedal flaming tiger. Sometimes pokemon are a little generic, and that's fine. People love charizard and he's literally just a generic dragon.

>>27513928
Look anon, if you look at Tiger Mask and see a fursuit, that says more about you than the design

>>27513911
>This implies something like a kid would only feel a special connection to their starter.
No, it outright states that a kid is far more likely to feel a special connection to their starter given its specialness compared to some random common mon they caught in a burned-out building.

>>27513901
No I didn't. I didn't hint that at all. Can you show where I was "hinting" that? I don't think that post you just replied to had any different point or tone or implications than the other one, because I don't claim to speak for anyone but myself. Im just self aware enough that 4chan and deviantart and serebii and wherever else are only a snall drop in the pond of Pokemon players and reference them as "proof" nobody likes this design is futile.

>>27510803
> Imb4 six fire/dark so it cool
I DONT WANT ANOTHER BIPEDAL STARTER.I DONT CARE IF ITS FIRE/DARK

>>27513950
>A wrestler
Yes, a heel. A dirty fighter, we can even see him spitting green mist in the concept art. He's underhanded and based off the art villainous. Hence Fire/Dark.

>>27513950
>And can you prove that people expecting it means they disliked it?
Can you prove expecting means liking?
>Plenty of people hoped it to become a quadrapedal flaming tiger.
And plenty of people hoped it wouldn't become a generic fire cat
>Sometimes pokemon are a little generic, and that's fine
That's great, congrats on Pyroar, now there's an alternative to the generic fire cat

So, here's what we've established so far.

It is undeniable that most people (on the internet) really just wanted a flaming "generic" tiger, because most people happen to believe this is a cool, albeit unoriginal, idea.

Literally no one asked for a wrestler fire starter, because it would have been Emboar 2.0. The only fire/fighting/macho speculation about Litten was done as a joke, because most people thought Gamefreak couldn't POSSIBLY have fucked up like that again.

Now that lucha tigre is all but confirmed, there is now a small band of contrarians that are desperately trying to defend the design and pretending that most people like it. Because the leaks are real, they now have "justification" for having horrible taste and cannot stop apologizing for Gamefreak's idea.

>>27513894
>No, the question was straight to the point

Then you misinterpreted what I was getting at. I'll try and rephrase.

Starters are special because they are your first pokemon and you go through a lot together since you get them at the start of your journey.

Get it? Riding starters is cool, because you remember when they were just their basic form, such as at the start of your journey.

>>27513967
I was being careful with my words in case of backpedaling. The redt of my post explains why that doesn't work or would be the case. Not everyone's favorite Pokmon is their atarter. I'm sure that wasn't the case for most of us when we were kids and probably not the case now.

So with the tiger wrestler abomination. Is its belt just orange or is on fire?

>>27513967
>No, it outright states that a kid is far more likely to feel a special connection to their starter given its specialness compared to some random common mon they caught in a burned-out building.
I'd feel a pretty special connection to a Pokemon I caught in a burned building as opposed to the starter I was guaranteed by the Professor

>>27513949
WE DONT NEED ANOTHER ONE.LITERALLY EVERY FIRE STARTER IS BIPEDAL

>>27513931
>with one additional feature
wings and cannons. you gotta read whole posts before you respond man.

>>27513961
If you look at that goofy-ass face and legit see the visage of the largest, fiercest feline predator in the world I'm more concerned about your mental state than mine.

>>27514009
>A dirty fighter

So we agree then. People were worried that it'd be another bipedal fighter, and it is.

>>27514020
>Starters are special because they are your first pokemon and you go through a lot together since you get them at the start of your journey.
>Get it? Riding starters is cool, because you remember when they were just their basic form, such as at the start of your journey.
Why are you acting like you can't grow connections to non-starters. The way your talking makes it seem like the only Pokemon people have special connections to are starters.

>>27514044
stay mad :^)

>>27514012
Pretty much

>>27514064
No other starter is a dirty fighting tiger. Dark type is the dirty fighting type. Gamefreak thought there was enough differentiation between the two make it it's own type.

>>27514045
>>with one additional feature
>wings and cannons. you gotta read whole posts before you respond man.
But that's not "It just gets bigger", in Charizard's case it changes the design completely, with Blastoise it makes him resemble a tank.
>>27514045
>If you look at that goofy-ass face and legit see the visage of the largest, fiercest feline predator in the world I'm more concerned about your mental state than mine.
Yeah I see a tiger. Honestly from that description and your previous post about fursuits, it seems like you might like tigers a little too much

>>27514040
I mean if the rng of running into it and mild effort of catching it outweighs the gift of an ultra-rare mon unavailable anywhere in the world as your first partner that's with you through your first trials as a trainer that's up to you man.

>>27514081
I WILL unless nightime litten evo quadrupled

>>27510764
>>>27513887
>>Implying any other two legged starter is a mean, heel wrestling tiger

This is about fire starters so let's check some things off the list to avoid further confusion shall we?
-7 gens of bipedal final evos
-4 of the 7 gens revolve around the starter evolving into a fighting type that centers itself around fighting(or in this case a fire dark that centers itself around fighting)
-Heel Litten is not unique, only it's form of fighting is. It's a heel wrestler, big whoop tho, we've already had Blazekin, Infernape, and Emboar that fight, I'll be it in different ways.
-Just because it's said to be fire dark does not mean it's not going to learn fighting type moves. It's a wrestler after all. So even if the screen says "fire/dark" its move set will say otherwise making it even more un-unique compared to the 3 fire fightings

>>27514075
Not the only, but my original post was >>27513534

Non-starters can be special to some people, but starters should be striving to be special to the most people, since everyone is going to get one.

I don't get why you're trying to argue this so hard. Did you pick Venusaur or something?

>>27514119
>it outweighs the gift of an ultra-rare mon unavailable anywhere in the world
But that's not true at all

>>27510936
Are you fucking kidding me? Its left hand looks like a fucking baloon animal

>>27514116
u wat nigga
Charizard's neck gets longer and it grows a horn with each evolution, otherwise it's exactly the same. Blastoise is just a bigger turtle, in fact it traded its tail for cannons.

>>27514012
This is correct

>>27514140
I like when the argument results in "well it still a wrestler so it'll still learn a bunch of fighting moves!". Ignoring that fighting moves often have a lot of distribution due to Rh requirements bring pretty much looking glike something that could fight, this isn't even the case just among fire/fighting starters. Emboat lines learn alike one fighting move by level up, and ita a very shitty one. I don't see any pressing reason this thing has to learn much besides Close Combat and maybe Submission if they didn't want is to forget thst move exists. There are eplenty of dark moves it could be learning that fit it's theme like Sucker Punch and Night Slash and foul play moreso than random fighting moves

>>27514140
Anon, every Pokemon fights, saying that a pokemon is bad because its centered around fighting means all pokemon are bad.
A design is about movesets, stats, fighting style, and typing.
>It's a heel wrestler, big whoop tho, we've already had Blazekin, Infernape, and Emboar that fight, I'll be it in different ways
You even acknowledge it, but if Litten was a quadruped, what would make it different from Rapidash, Growlithe, Pyroar, or Entei?

>>27514154
I forgot about how you could just go out and catch a Squirtle if you didn't like your Charmander. Or are you actually counting trades?

>>27514185
No, it's left hand looks like a cartoon drawing of a hand. And a rather good one in comparison to some hands on non-humans in Pokemon.

>>27514188
>Charizard's neck gets longer and it grows a horn with each evolution, otherwise it's exactly the same
He goes from Salamander to dragon, no Salamander to big Salamander, yes the wings the drastically change his design

>>27512522
Can't believe it took so long for this one to be posted, truly the best possible design. It's such a shame it's fake.

>>27514220
Doesn't not liking your super special starter go against your super special starter bond argument?

>>27514214
Christ, why is everyone being so fucking pedantic about this?

It's a wrestler. It's big and bulky and mean. It knows a martial art. It has the same GENERAL theme as the other fire/fighting starters. No one cares if it's fire/dark because it's still an ugly goddamn humanoid fighter. People just wanted a normal fucking tiger/panther with flames. How hard is this to understand?

You people are so stupid it's exhausting.

>>27514219
>Litten was a quadruped, what would make it different from Rapidash, Growlithe, Pyroar, or Entei?

The same thing that makes Luxray different from Zebstrika, Manectric and Raikou?

>>27514235
>It doesn't have to mesh well with the design or even the other hand because it's cartoony
Okay, there's no way you're serious. I'm writing you off as either a troll or a legitimate mental retard, because nobody with a functioning brain is actually that stupid.

>>27514248
>adding one thing isn't adding one thing! Wings completely change the design!
Bro his body is exactly the same. Other than getting bigger and growing out his finger claws like a big boy he doesn't change at all below the neck from charmander.

>>27514286
>It's a wrestler. It's big and bulky and mean. It knows a martial art. It has the same GENERAL theme as the other fire/fighting starters.
No it doesn't. Blaziken is primarily a kick boxer based off Bruce Lee down to the jumpsuit. Infernape is based off Sun Wukong, and Emboar is something or other, not really sure there. All they share is a type, but their movesets and design are all based off different themes

>>27514284
Nope, not even a little.

>>27514292
Which is?

>>27514331
>Bro his body is exactly the same. Other than getting bigger and growing out his finger claws like a big boy he doesn't change at all below the neck from charmander.
And the wings that turn him into a dragon, real weird that you're ignoring Charizard's defining feature

>>27514344
Punching, kicking, grappling, and martial arts is the same damn theme, even if there inspirations are different.

You might as well try and argue that Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee don't share a theme because they're based off of different martial artists.

>>27514362
No it does, because your super special one of a kind starter that you have this deep connection to, is entirely replaceable.

>>27514374
The wings is his one feature, and as we all know, it's the wings that make him Flying - it takes several gens and a super special magical girl transformation to make him a dragon.

>muh zodiac
I'm glad we got the Hulkster cat.

>>27514344
None of that matters. You are ignoring the big picture and trying to differentiate with relatively small details. The fact is that most people recognize a pattern, it doesn't matter if one is a kickboxer and another is a wrestler. They're two-legged, vaguely humanoid, fighters, and that alone is enough to be repetitive for fire starters. No one would've complained if Popplio ended up being the fighter bara, but because they are doing it for the fire starter AGAIN, it's long been a serious annoyance.

>>27514012
Yes. And for proof see the enormous poll conducted today with over right hundred unique IPs from vp which voted litten not only least favorite by a fat margin, but beaten by "I'd box any of these starters" 2:1
See this: >>27513405

>>27514286
>It shares the same general theme of thebother fire/fighting starters
But it DOESNT save for MAYBE Blaziken and Emboar if you had no clue what it was supposed to be, and Emboar had no business being fighting in the first place. Do you REALLY look at Infernape and go "yeah all this is to me is a bipedal fighting animal"? Once you know Emboar is a Chinese warlord, is all you can see that it's a fighting animal and nothing else? It doesn't even have a fighting style. It's Pokedex description ust says it punches things with fire, and it learns shit dor fighting moves anyway. Do you really look at Pokemon that fucking shallowly? How few Pokemon would be totally original if you thought in that broad of a spectrum? It's not "being pedantic", it's acknowledging what it actually IS. It's like complaining about all the reptile starters that are just the reptile with a plant growing out o fit. No, that's not "just" what they are. Torterra is a world turtle, Sceptile has a tree "false tale", Meganium is an animalized version o that giant flower ts based on. Ee dont looknat thoae designs as shallow as "reptiles with plants". Why do people look at fire starters and go "they're just animals that fight"?

>>27514378
No, Kickboxing and Wrestling are not the same theme. The two are completely different fighting styles which lead to different movesets and designs.

>You might as well try and argue that Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee don't share a theme because they're based off of different martial artists.
Except the entire idea of the Hitmonfamily is that they're based on opposing styles. You can't compare two Pokemon from the same family to 4 different and unrelated pokemon.