/xcg/ - XCOM General

reapers are SHIT

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>>188471675
>im-fucking-plying

I wish they changed the dialogue in the forge since you have skirmishers now. They act so surprised to see the processed Advent.

>>188471675
There's no need to be upset, Betos.

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Shotguns = Really useful

quick, lads

can mutons counterattack bladestorm?

>>188471869
ye

>>188471869
I think so, but not 100% sure, last time i played was a month ago and i don't have WotC yet.

What the fuck is up with the percentages in WotC?
my shotgunner has failed to crit with a 95% crit chance at least 3 times in a row

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>of all the people to target with his grenade, Trooper decides to throw it at a Spark and a Templar
That's just sad.

>>188460601
There's an issue with SPARKS where heavy weapon line of sight seems to be drawn along the ground.

>activate an andromedon and a sectopod pod together
JUST
thank god I brought frost bombs

Best equipment to throw on Mox? Usually using bluescreens at the moment which is working pretty well most of the time.

>>188472460
Fost bomb is only going to stop the andromedon.

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What the fuck

>>188472557
It was enough. I packed bluescreen rounds sharpshooters for this exact situation

>>188472551
talon rounds or nades if you have total combat (you should have total combat)

>>188472459
I haven't used heavy weapons with regular troops for a while now, but that's not an issue for them, is it? Jake really ought to fix his game.

>>188472596
I love those missions

>>188472551

If you can get volatile mix on him a grenade is great for the chosen he counters. Does superb damage and you can often grapple, shoot, then grenade the chosen to death.

>>188472551
Any ammo type really. Just depends what the rest of your squad is doing.

>>188471675
This desu famalams

>>188472691
>I haven't used heavy weapons with regular troops for a while now, but that's not an issue for them, is it?
Not in my experience it isn't, just SPARKS.

>>188472820
Sparks just can't catch a break.

>the Templar and reaper we're cool while I had them, but now they are dead
>it was fun to give my soldiers orders, but now I don't get to do that due to mind control, stun, nano swarm, tail grapple, and panic.
>having leveled up soldiers was cool, before they all got killed
>research is cool, but I don't have any alloys or cores because I can't win missions.
>upgraded weapons were nice, but I lost them when I lost missions and now I can't build them
>multiple enemies with 12+ health who all have always-hit-perma-disables have mean that I can't win missions anymore

I thought this game was good. Haven't found that to be the case. I wish that this game had a tutorial or something that actually explained things.

>>188472909
Play on easy

>>188472909
>letting your best people die
They fought for you - and you've failed them, Commander.

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28th for the most aesthetic camouflage ever devised

>>188473114
I don't see any hexes.

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I've never noticed the Berserker skin runs before

>>188473230
Are those... snek hides? That's rad.

>>188472909
git fucking good

>blacksite mission
>resistance literally tear apart chryssalids and berserkers before I can do much, so I only clean up the scraps
Honestly why do we even hire such shit recruits bradford, we could just have the resistance fight for us

So how's openxcom doing these days? Anything much left to develop for it?

>>188473230
Runs?

>>188473001
I am. The mind control still always hits. I really don't how someone thought that 4+ enemies with those abilities is ok. I can't get through 10 health with rifles, and they only need one turn to kill/control all 4 of my guys.

>>188473071
They didn't fight very well. The reaper was basically useless. 3 damage attacks are ponlintless against 12 health enemies with insta-worse-than-kill-i-would-prefer-dead-than-fighting-against-me abilities.

>>188473334
I only invest time into games that aren't shit.

>>188473456
rugs, on the bottom

>>188473374
Retaliation* whoops

>>188473230
I honestly find the wall rather tasteless, I mean hell, how do the Skirmishers feel about seeing advent heads on pikes there. just imagine how post war aliens will react to that grisly sight

>>188473402
Open Apoc.
They are still adding crazy new shit with the openxcom extender mod and some of the really big overhauls.

>>188473456

Get a load of this uncultured guy who doesn't know what a runner is.

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>try to hack Mec
>30something chance
>wound it
>37%
>throw an EMP grenade it, leave it, leave it with only 1 HP remaining
>39%
>hack it and for the first time the bar goes nearly all the way instead of coming short of 1 bar

>>188473524
>rather tasteless?

Huh? You aren't playing the good guys in this game. You are basically playing ISIS or neo-Nazis. You are a human supremacist terrorist organization that conducts violent guerrilla attacks on against sovereign state armies.

>>188473571
Taking blue screen damage reduces the robot's hacking resistance

>>188473524
>post war aliens

why would there be any of those?

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>Active Dark Event Alloy Padding
>3 man squad because fuck me
>take Mox, Outrider, and my Templar Scorch because I don't even begin to know how to approach this and they have the greatest variety of abilities
>I have 1 volatile mix grenade, 1 medkit, otherwise base damage weaponry, and a bad attitude
>manage to kill my way through 4 Advanced Troopers, 1 Priest, 1 Shieldbearer, 3 Sectiods, 1 Spectre, and 1 Snek
>At one point I had Scorch mind controlled, Mox snek'd, and Outrider just sitting in stealth wondering how the fuck she was going to kill 2 Sectoids and a Snek like this
I should just quit now, I'm never going to feel this good playing XCOM again.

>>188473470
There are no words for how garbage you are if you can't win on easy. Try mobile gaming.

>>188473470
Not gonna sugarcoat it, you are garbage

>>188473470
Enemies on easy don't have 12 health until you get a few weeks in. Sectoids never get that high.

>>188473663
Or maybe this is a poorly designed game?

>>188471765
There are quite a few dialogue chains that I feel they could have altered, that included.

>>188473746
Really gets my noggin joggin if the only people who complain about "poor design" are shitters who lose on easy

>>188473746
You're the only one having trouble, maybe you're just a poorly designed human

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>>188473746
>the game is bad, not me!

>>188473635
it becomes murky politics when the giant psionic network controlling their every action is pulled down. suddenly questions arise to if individual thralls can be held accountable for their actions when brain chips were the main method of delivering orders.


But I suspect I'm wasting my breath, you want to just categorize it as "Alien=Evil" and go on a big stupid crusade to exterminate all non earthly life

>>188473746
>trying to debate game design when you can't even beat it on easy
Back to Kindergarden with you

>>188473927
>>188473959
Same guy?

>>188473635

There are probably more ADVENT hybrids around than real humans.

It's kind of unclear how many humans are supposed to exist in XCOM2. With the entire regions turned into Lost and millions of people being turned into goo you'd expect it to not be too many but the Spokesman mentions "billions."

>>188473470
Im starting to suspect this is a troll

>Reapers and Templars whine about running a far distance
Legitimate threat to advent my ass

>>188473742
It's the white soldiers who fuck me the most. Them and the snakes and the swarm things.

I was doing ok till I lost three missions in a row due to lol-insta-disable abilities

>>188473838
Really gets my noggin whatever when people waste time on shit games then defend them so they don't have to admit that they waste their life.

>>188473959
>If you can't beat a poorly designed game then you can't call it poorly designed!

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Do not feed the trolls

>>188474004
>There are probably more ADVENT hybrids around than real humans.
Nah. When you consider how they are made, that doesn't even make sense.

>>188473634
I developed those, but I forgot to who I gave them in this mission.

So, do we bother making Psi Ops anymore or just run Templars

>>188474081
Should build a flashbang or two.

>>188473927

i've always just thought that advent were meant as disposable, like even if you unplugged them from the network their genetics probably only give them a decade at best.

>>188474004

always plenty more humans.
even if they killed 3/4s of the planet we would still number in the billions.

>>188474194
They have wildly different uses. Templar is your go-to problem solver, Psi-Ops is more of a safety net.

>>188474004
additionally in the ending loads of post war advent are pretty open the the skirmishers ideas offers of freedom, its not unlikely to imagine them extending that to alien survivors. though luckily they are ruthless enough to cull anything unsalvagable like berserkers or chryssalids or any other loyalist hold outs

>>188474194

I stopped bothering with Psi Ops just because there's too many other facilities I want to build.

>>188474204
To do what? The game doesn't explain what anything does, and I don't have credit to spare because I keep losing contacts on the map.

>Hack advent workstation on a train
>2 turrets
>It takes 4 turns and over 20 shots of 90% to hit the turrets
I'm actually losing my mind.

>>188474194
>>188474251
Psi-ops are better than templars. They are still good even when compared to new vanilla classes, which just shows how broken they were in vanilla.

>>188474176
If you hover over the weapon icon in the bottom right it tells you if there's special ammo equipped along with weapon mods.

How long do you guys figure it'l take for them to add WoTC to LW2?
Another year?

>>188474206
thats not implausible but lacks any evidence, plus earth after freedom still has all of advents cool gene therapy, the shit that casually cured cancer and the common cold, so even if they have that its very possible it could be treated

>>188474194
Psi operatives are still more powerful, just less continuously damage potential

>>188474334
>not using Bluescreens for those delicious oneshots
>not Grenading to instakill them
>not throwing Combat Protocol at them

>>188474410
3-6 months if ever

If we don't get the full mod I'd settle for the perk pack and such

>>188474330
It explains when you select the item in engineering.

>>188473804
like what?

>>188474507
No it doesn't. "Limits offense" doesn't mean shit.

>game has so many voiceovers and reminder lines and alerts
>game doesn't tell you what to do!!!!!
is this what it's like to be a brainlet?

>>188474604
>Grouping it with brainlets
Please don't demean brainlets

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>Tfw Psy-Troops are the most fun to use in the game
>Have to delay them even more now because of the update

I didn't get any Psy Trooper until I was at late Tier 2, and even then actually getting one that is usable took until I had tier 3.

>>188474410
>>188474506
I just want the Alien Pack. Enemy variety makes the game really interesting for me. I hope the guy who did the Pathfinders also updates that eventually.

>>188474602
You're right, but it still clearly states that it disorients enemies.

>>188474330
Since everyone is being a Vague Varrick, Flashbang grenades disorient most organic units. When disoriented, a Sectoid cannot maintain mind control (it breaks the mind control), nor can it use other psionic abilities until the disorientation wears off. Can't speak after Spectres (the nanobot clouds), but killing them outright brings your soldier back, so flashbangs might work.

>>188474497
Weird build path put it to me late for foundry, it's worse now since that 80% miss rate is being applied on these last 2 pods that were just jerking off together in the back.

>>188474604
Where is the voiceover to tell you how to not lose your entire squad in one turn to a snake, a swarm, and two white soldiers? I must have fucking missed that one.

>>188474754
Which means fuck all to me.

>>188474779
We already explained all this to it there is no helping anon

>>188474334

if the turrets are on a roof-like surface a grenade will destroy the surface, killing the turret no matter how much hp it has, 1 or a million it still dies.

>>188474334
>Not just straight up ignoring them

Turrets don't count as remaining enemies on missions, so if they're all that's left after you do the objective, you win.1

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>>188474602
illiterate brainlet

>>188474712
Even if they decreased the research time and construction cost for the psi lab, it's still not worth getting over the other rooms. I don't know what they could do besides just starting with it to make it worth doing early on.

>>188474860
Why are you taking on several pods at once and then complaining about getting fucked if you've never played the game before?

>>188474957
>no mind shields
>no lures
What is this casual shit, Commander?

>>188474860
Well shit anon it's a shame that there's no way to experiment with equipment.

>>188474931
But then you don't get to see that sweet full 12/12 or whatever in the victory screen

>>188474779
>Can't speak after Spectres (the nanobot clouds)

Flashbangs do nothing do them.

Interestingly though you can use revival protocol to get the soldier back up and don't actually have to kill the clone/Spectre.

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>>188474957
>>188474602
wow it only says limits offense!

>>188475081
>to get the soldier back up
Uhh, what happens to the clone then?

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>>188475032
>being so casual you need small items to succeed

>>188474587
Well, for instance, the dialogue surrounding the Chosen strongholds was...jank. I had done the second one, and the dialogue from Central et al was the Exact same as the first stronghold. Then there were the other missions where psionics were involved, and the Templars said nothing. Loads of chances for little bits of world building, I felt.

>>188475209

It still exists. I'm not sure if it's an oversight or intended.

>>188474779
FUCKING WHAT.

Jesus fucking christ that could have saved my whole team.

>>188474957
Do you see the part where it says "this item blocks mind control"?

Me ether fuckhead. That would have been nice to know.

>>188475018
The fuck is a pod? They just show up when I'm fighting something else.

>Vip Rescue
>Archon king is there
>somehow I can shoot at him with nearly all my guys without him running there and doing an AoE attack
>runs away, place seems clear now
>run up to the roof
>2 sneks and 1 Muton Aw shit
>Have the spark deliver a bombardament
>it destroys the roof and they all fall down and die
Neat.

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>>188475210
>not doing everything you can to make sure your operatives succeed

>>188475308
Admittedly, yes, the descriptions are vague in some (a lot) of cases, because it's meant not to hand hold you. What some people forget, myself included, is that other people haven't spent hundreds of hours in-game and aren't familiar with some basic meta.

Pods are groups of enemies. "Activating" a pod is just revealing it. Your best bet is to slowly creep along a mission and let the aliens come to you one group at a time.

>>188475257
Yeah you're right, Central and Tygan act surprised at the sarcophagus at the 2nd stronghold. I feel like their budget ran out.

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>>188474712
>Have to delay them even more now because of the update
When generally is late Tier 2 for you, cause I'm about to get my Psi Lab up in early June and I only have tier 2 shotguns and rifles.

>>188475620
He would know what a Flashbang would do if he had played any other XCOM game, he's a moron who begins with the latest installment.

>>188475384
I bet you use repeaters too.
fucking pleb

>>188475696
My issue is, the Third stronghold was different dialogue that acknowledged having seen one before. So why didn't they just have the same dialogue for the Latter two instead of the First two? Budget or no, that's a simple fix at no cost.

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>>188475210
After that last haven assault where resistance fighters almost killed one of my soldiers after he got mind controlled by the Elder's Greatest Champion, I am making sure everyone has protection from mental sodomy before doing that again.

>>188475696
Strange thing is, they have different dialogue on the third stronghold so it makes less sense.

>>188475716
Weird. I'm in mid May and already have games weapons with predator armor on the way

>>188475746
>he's a moron who begins with the latest installment.

m8 what? It's a strategy game. It doesn't matter what installment you start with as the narrative is limited and unimportant.

This is like saying you should start with Civ I to play Civ VI.

>>188475746
Or he's just not interested in playing the other game? Step outside the bubble, anon, the air is fresher out there.

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>>188474919
Good to know.

>>188474931
>Advent hack station on a train
I couldn't ignore the turrets unfortunately. Should've just rushed bluescreen faster instead of dicking around with this other stuff.

3/6 squaddies, 2 were half-tired and 1 was normal, god that was awful. Both the tireds broke in combat and made me skip a turn or 2 on them. Fucking spectres are so shit to deal with, why do they get the extra movement on top of shadow boxing you?

>>188475827
>>188475846
I blame Jake for blowing the budget on Star Trek VAs, I really wanted a Templar storyline.

>>188475746
>saying something retarded to argue with a retard
For what purpose?

>>188475869
*magnetic weapons and predator armor built

>>188475716
I usually don't get Psi lab till I'm almost done with the game desu, hell I don't even get them at all anymore since Hero classes replaced the slot for my Psi-ops guy.

>>188475746
A really cool feature in modern, non-shit games is that they come with a tutorial or some other way to learn the rules of the game.

Most non-shit games don't require you have played hundreds of hours of older games to know the fucking rules.

>>188475916
Thank you!

>>188475945
I would have loved more characterization and backstory for the factions. They did feel a bit token by the mid game.

>>188473114
It's pretty good, I was running it on a lot of my squads but after a while the way it's horizontal on a lot of the parts I use got on my nerves.

[s]Now I'm just haunted by my uniforms having black in the pattern but Bub's helmets having no black in the pattern[/s]

>>188476137
I mean they obviously wanted to do more since if you check the Commander archives there's a bunch of story in it, I'm 99% sure they blew their budget.

>>188476238
Oh right! Fuck, I forgot about the archives. Well. Now I'll have to replay WotC, dangit. (Not even remotely upset about that, I beat it in a week and I'm jonesing already)

>>188476385
I reloaded an old save to check the archives. The chosen has a lot of back story in it.

>>188475384

>tfw your hair clips into your fucking eyeball

>haven assault
>resistance soldier shoots a codex
>splits
>teleports into me
>pod activates

FUCK

OFF

God I hate these annoying little cunts, I wish they were never added. They ruin these missions, complete waste of time since they can solo the entire thing.

>>188476793
Just wait until Jake makes resistance fighters activate pods they shoot at instead of them just standing still getting shot in the face

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>Running a templar into a tightly clustered pod to break contact
>watch as they flee in their activation move and trigger bladestorm

>>188475846
Mindshields are wasted slots. Get Solace, collect bitches.

>>188476793
>>188476931
>These people need all the help we can give them
>By the time I land in half the advent assault is dead
How did we lose the ayys again?

>>188476793

Worst is stupid Lost causing the Codex to clone.

>>188476113
Are there any other oh-by-the-way-if-you-don't-do-this-thing-the-game-doesnt-tell-you-to-do-you-will-lose-no-matter-what items I should know about?

And what the hell is a pod. People keep talking about them like they are important.

>>188477198
A pod is a group of enemies.

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>>188472909

>>188476793
Do aliens even attack civilians in Haven Assaults while not activated anymore? It seems the opposite of the old haven defenses where aliens would attack civilians while in FOW. Now the resistance soldiers just get to focus down all the aliens who are in FOW, but I never see the aliens do anything back until I activate them.

>>188477198

Burning prevents most cooldown abilities and prevents smaller enemies from melee attacking

Poison reduces mobility by loads and aim by 30. You would never think that it reduces aim.

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>>188477446
I don't know man, if I was poisoned I'd probably won't be able to aim well.

>>188477198
Grenades are useful

>>188477521

If you were on fire you wouldn't be able to shoot well but you can just as you normally would m8. That's what I mean.

>>188477198
Scanners reveal cloaked and/or hidden enemies
Faceless, Assassin, Spectres after using Vanish

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>It's a Terrorist Mission with Assassin Episode
>It's a special with the Lost World
These turns are gonna take years. At least resistance fighters never miss.

>>188477324

Seems so, I just saw a muton shoot someone to death. They definitely do on the normal haven missions where you have no allies.

>>188477721
Not like Lost World matters much with Blast Shield Chosen

>>188477324
Yes they do, but they are limited to not wipe out the whole resistance camp in 2 turns, since they are all within range.

>>188477198
weapons are more important than armor

>>188477198
My main tactic is to always (ALWAYS) bring at least one specialist with Medical protocol and a medkit equipped. Being able to revive and heal soldiers at range, to say nothing of the absolutely crucial Aid Protocol, has saved pretty much every mission I've done. Specialists are my key soldier, and I prefer to have two on a mission in case one goes down/gets stunned.

Otherwise, more damage is better than more health, since enemies can sometimes just oneshot you anyhow. Go for better weaponry First.

Black Market is your friend, sell off some corpses and keep enough to research/build stuff.

Smoke grenades aren't worthless, though they are rather situational since the enemy can use them for increased defense as well.

Grenades (especially base game and WotC) are absolutely brutal, in that they damage And destroy cover, giving you a clean shot at anything.

Flashbangs are integral against the Codex, because they Cannot clone themselves if they are disoriented.

>>188477082
>How did we lose the ayys again?
We didn't want to go full Deus Ex

>>188478463
so we lost because EW was non canon? weak

I got a question actually, how long do you think it will be before modders create their own resistance factions, and what would you make if you could?

>>188477082
Because once Lids show up in Retaliations it becomes pretty apparent they wouldn't survive without XCOM intervention.

>>188478591
>so we lost because EW was non canon? weak
We lost because the governments folded and sold us out

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>bring my C-team and Julian to a Lost mission
>Warlock shows up
S-Should I be worried?

Is there any way to:

>Reduce Psionic research time
>Reduce Psi Lab build time
>Reduce Psi Op training time

In my WotC campaigns rushing psi is no longer viable it seems, and by the time I got them I was ready to end the campaign.

I just want to see how they fare in covert ops, against the Lost, against the Chosen and new enemies

>>188478079
>>188477949
>>188477719
>>188477584
Thanks. This is useful.

Is there any guide for what the different buildings do?

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>low profile sitrep

I should have trained more to sergeant I guess. The dark event is to counter the black market closing forever. I think the muton queen is on this map too ;_;

>>188478738
hope for inspired psi research

>>188478738
Black Market/Inspiration, Engineer, Engineer.
But I'm pretty sure you already knew all that, not really.

>>188478591
>so we lost because EW was non canon
EW was canon. It was a modified training program being run through the commander's brain to be used against XCOM.

Literally every play through is canon. They ran a ton of simulations.

>>188478591
I would love to see/make The Warriors, the group that some soldiers claim to come from in their backgrounds. Except they'd be very tech oriented, possibly a sort of MEC trooper-ish person who can hack via Melee instead (skulljack, but built in) and maybe nanobots? Wounded Warriors, Assemble! I'd use the prosthetics mod too.

>Frost bomb assassin
>Lost 1 action
>Summon enemies, attack me, bending reed
Uhh, Jake?

>>188478852

There's an interesting Resistance Order that makes it so any Rookies you train in the GTS immediately get SGT.

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>>188478591
I'm very interested to see what modders do with the new WOTC stuff. More Chosen weaknesses and strengths, sitreps, and covert actions seem very interesting immediately. If people end up making their own Chosen, Resistance Factions, and maybe even playing with the 3rd faction dynamic introduced by the Lost during battles, it could get really crazy.

>>188479071
Stop spreading this mis-information. XCOM 1 is canon, because it happened, not because of the simulations in XCOM2.

>>188478716
EVAC NOW.

>>188478713
>We lost because the governments folded and sold us out
They actually say at one point that all the world's armies were crushed in weeks.

>>188478793
The Wiki is especially useful. I recommend having that on your phone or on the steam overlay to easily look things up. There are also probably guides on Steam

>>188478852
kill
jestah

>>188479227
Which wiki?

>>188479219
Doesn't change what I said about the council selling xcom out.

>>188479219
It's a mix of both. They said that the Sectopods were deployed to render the armies useless and I guess they just surrendered after that/mind raped to surrendering.

>>188479175
>XCOM 1 is canon, because it happened
Except it didn't unless you lost in weeks and even then that bad ending shows the Council speaker being mind controlled, which he isn't.

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Is the Archon King armor worth it? The Viper King is great for that dodge but I've never once used the Frostbite ability because the accuracy roll never seems to go over 55% and the Berserker Queen armor has a shittier version of a Spark punch and probably one extra health point over the rest of the suits I already have

>>188479415

The archon king armor is probably the best armor in the game m8. It basically turns you into the assassin.

YOU HAVE EXCEEDED MY EXPECTATIONS COMMANDER

>>188479415
> Shittier version

It's a free ability. How is a free ability worse than one that uses an action point?

>>188479362
>Except it didn't unless you lost in weeks
Only in the XCOM 2 universe. XCOM 1 victory is also canon. They are two different things, they aren't the same.

>>188479287
THE Wiki. Search via Google "XCOM Wiki" and it's the first link. Then you can search whatever you desire.

>>188479415
You can jump to any tile your squad has visibility on. Its bonkers

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Gods I was operator

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>Beagle made me realize that if I don't need Intel then I can save some fatigue by just sending a lone Reaper to IED the VIP
Additionally I didn't give that Reaper their nickname, they rolled it.

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>>188478716
>throw a Lure on him
>throw a plasma grenade at some Lost
>tactically a Rocket at him
>Lost still won't spawn
WHAT IS THIS
MY GREATEST TACTIC HAS BEEN THWARTED

>>188479078
so marry the prosthetics mod to Power suit wrist fire animations and abilities, with possibly a mini version of a spark's bit, finished off with animations from the skirmisher's ripjack and the skull jack animations

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How do you get more hero soldiers from the factions?

>>188479795
RNG. You can only get them through covert actions

>>188479159
Summoning is a free ability for them.

>>188479167
I'd add other wild factions, Human Raiders [Mad Max Style loonies who just want to raid and pillage while the world burns] maybe feral chrysalid hives [with hive queens, EU chryssalids with zombies, and big retro chryssalids using beserker animations]

I hate how power armor deviates from the rag-tag look the other armors have.

>>188478738
>covert ops
Same as any, their rank counts for requirements so if you're missing a major to unlock a stronghold mission they can be a good substitute
>Lost
Pretty well, rift does a number on hordes (especially with between the eyes), lance is a also handy and inspire can be a godsend
>Chosen
Guaranteed heavy damage, hard to go wrong with that. Solace is a godsend against the warlock and inspire is a lifesaver like always.

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>>188479890
thank

Is there a way to increase solider's stats?

>>188475869
What difficulty?

>>188480156
Covert Ops. Ranking up

>>188480052
I like the clean aesthetic to highlight a sort of xcom from the ashes feel but I agree that more ratty looking cobbled together looks should be an option

I'm surprised that other than the WAR suit, XCOM doesn't do research on the Shieldbearer's shield. Or an actual shield.

Can the Reaper/Skirmisher/Templar units wear the special armor?

Is the special armor even worth it regardless?

Is magus pronounced MAG-US or MAGE-US?

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>>188479682
Well its not actually solo anymore because Double Agent gave us a defective Stun Lancer

>>188480446

Mayjus

>>188480421
I still want that fucking riot shield mod!

>>188479682
I use a spotter/sniper combo, rush to the evac and set up, then get eyes on the VIP and nail them well outside of visual range.

>>188480446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjF5_YGrJug

May-gus

>>188480436
>units wear the special armor
No
>Is the special armor even worth it regardless?
yes

>>188480521
Okay, so the latter then. Thanks.

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>>188478591
>and what would you make if you could?
I like mechagirls, so probably a faction self-upgrading themselves with MEC parts and other alien tech and having a PRAISE THE MACHINE vibre to them.
The other would be some Vahlen aprendice who used alien gene science to uplift gorillas (muton animations) to wage war against the ayys

>>188479786
Aye, that about sums it up. Maybe some custom animations, depending. Could also have high tier ones mimic/adopt Specialist abilities with drones, or even use the drones of the specialists outright in a mission.

>>188479579
>Only in the XCOM 2 universe.
There is a difference between "part of a canon," ie a collection of related works, and "canon to a particular story," ie in continuity.

Generally speaking, outside of discussions of authors, poets, and playwrights, the latter meaning is inferred and you would specify the former if you meant it.

>>188472596
Those missions are way too easy for the reward it gives you.

>>188480458
I'm assuming Double Agent only gives you that soldier for the duration of the mission and doesn't add them to your lineup of squaddies back on the Avenger

>>188479795
also there's a mod to disable some stupid check Firaxis put on it or something so you only get more from one faction

>>188478716
Save Lily's brother RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>>188480723
Correct.

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"Bradford, that mission you undertook in Vahlen's secret lab lasted for a while, what happened to you in th-"

>>188479607
Then you can't choose any of those for the last mission since they'll be tired. I made that mistake, didn't know you can only revitalize one per mission.

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>>188480658
so possibly miniaturized MEC/SPARK animations?

as for the latter I'd instead go for a resurrection of the gene mod troopers, possibly same animations but as bane like brutes rather then apes

>>188480723
yea they're free meat shields
pretty useful against the Lost

>>188480713
XCOM 1 victory and XCOM 2 victory are both canon. I think it's pretty obvious what that means.
You said XCOM 1 was not canon, but that is incorrect.

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FUUUUUUUUUU

>>188480916
>>188481003
Do they count as a soldier killed in the debriefing if you send them to their deaths?

>>188480921
>bardford I know you can kill that thing, why have you not?
>testing my discipline...

Seems dumb to ask but I assume Sparks break stealth if you enter a mission in concealment?

>>188480713
Victory in XCOM: EU/EW and the XCOM 2 timeline are both canon but they're their own separate canons.

>>188481114
No their bits put them into stealth as well.

>>188481114
They start in concealment same as everyone else. Just make sure you keep them behind full cover.

>>188481017

The sabotage is the real cunt move the Chosen do.

>>188478591
I'd repurpse the Spectre animations and particles to make a SIVA faction. I'd make Human/Nano hybrids Alien/Nano Hybrids. Massive fuck off Mecs and shit

>>188481114
Do you doubt Commander's tactical genius?
SPARKS activate some kind of holographic camo and play by the same concealment rules as other soldiers

>>188481114
not instantly, but they are more detectable, you wanna keep them in back

>Lily has an intact ADVENT MEC and wants to reactivate it
>Bradford doesn't want her to touch it
nigga you don't understand
Tygan could have a breakthrough and we can finally have cripple soldiers

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>>188479163
>>188479236

It went okay. He died to a shieldbearer through low cover while everybody was trying to bring down a sectopod prepping a wrath cannon.

>If a Chosen captures or extracts information from Jane Kelly, they will refer to her by name when they taunt you.

Does that work for character pool Jane Kelly in a campaign with disabled tutorial?

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>>188481014
>I think it's pretty obvious what that means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction)
>In fiction, canon is the material accepted as officially part of the story in an individual universe of that story. It is often contrasted with, or used as the basis for, works of fan fiction. The alternative terms mythology, timeline, and continuity are often used
>an individual universe
>continuity
>>188479579
>Only in the XCOM 2 universe.

>>188481127
>Victory in XCOM: EU/EW and the XCOM 2 timeline are both canon but they're their own separate canons.
Everything is canon to itself. You basically said they are things that exist, but they aren't canon to one another.

>>188481464
they do?
jesus, I wonder how long they spent recording lines for those fuckers, must've taken forever with all those lines

>>188480729
This explains why I was only able to get two Reapers and only one each of the other two

>Tygan and Shen open a portal to unknown destination.
>Know thats where the Codex come from
>Dont have any guards, turrets, anything in place in case it leads to a W40K Daemon world and they just created a bridge directly into the Avenger.

Thats what you call smart!

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>>188480986
>so possibly miniaturized MEC/SPARK animations?
More like normal human, that way at least people will be able to use normal armor if somebody wants, giving them flying back would be nice. But nothing of this will happen because I am too lazy to learn how to do this

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You are having a good time sneaking into an alien facility with your buddies when suddenly this guy shows up and slaps your Reaper's ass. What do you do?

>>188481464
Oh shit like what do they say?

>Get Resistance Order that doesn't start turn timers until you break concealment
>Lost World active
>Run around with reaper and watch all the advent die to Lost.

This Muton though is a hero, they're never going to get him.

>>188481753
Tell Volk to eat him

>Faceless can disguise as Lost

Jesus christ how horrifying

>>188481805
Mutons are fucking invincible to the Lost I don't even know why are purifiers a thing

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BEEPED

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>>188480458
And thanks to that noble Stun Lancer we actually captured the VIP instead of blowing him up, the Stun Lancer carried the VIP while the Reaper scouted ahead and ensured his path was clear.
That was also how I found out that while ADVENT have the option to carry a body, they don't have the animation for picking up or carrying someone. They just float about their shoulder.

>>188481450
You know you can just move out of the way of that, right? Like the Archon's Pinion missiles? It's basically a wasted turn on the Sectopod's part.

>>188481887
boop

>>188481910
You can blow up VIPs? Isn't that bad?

>>188481887
>11 health Chosen
What actual difficulty is that even.

First WOC run. I want to save Mox. how hard is that mission? I basically only have Sergeants or one rnax above that tier soldiers with no armor upgrades yet. Should I still proceed?

>>188481986
You just lose bonus intel.

Since fucking WHEN? Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick.

>>188482079
You don't lose the engineer or scientist?

>>188482028
deploy the reaper and it's a guaranteed win

>>188482028
it's hard if you fuck up and put the facility on alert, as each turn they're on alert they get reinforcements. basically, you want to avoid contact until you open the cell mox is being held in. as soon as you open the cell, the facility goes on alert and reinforcements start coming and you'll want to get out of there asap

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>>188482010
That's a Lost, silly meatbag.

>>188482028
It's fairly easy. It just so you dont get 2 Hero class coldiers fromt he start.

>>188482028
You can do it with a single reaper.

>>188482028
When i played it it was basically one solider and a turret.

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>>188481913

Oh. Whoops. RIP.

>>188482139
2 types of VIP. One is a rescue mission, where you indeed need to keep them alive. The second is termination, but if you bring them along, you get intel as well. If you pancake them, you get just supplies.

>>188481986
You can kill Dark VIPs and still complete the mission, the difference in the mission description between saving and capturing/killing is: "Extract VIP" and "Neutralize Target" respectively.
If you kill the Dark VIP you just lose the Intel reward, which we didn't even need right now so I was okay with sending a lone Reaper to kill him and save me some fatigue on my troops. But instead we got a defective Stun Lancer that could carry the bastard instead of the Reaper so we just captured him.
o7 Stun Lancer

>>188482139
No, the mission is to extract or kill the target.

>>188482147
>>188482150
>>188482164
>>188482187
>>188482217
Thanks guys! Going in!

it's so annoying that he gets captured instead of the reaper since Skirmishers seem like the most interesting soldiers to me, I've always wanted an assault class in Xcom 2

You think evac should take a turn to get ready?

>>188482221
Haha, food for thought. I've spent way too much time in the game so I'm familiar with lots of little things like that.

>>188482273
>Mox Holds a small wake for fallen potential recruits the skirmishers will never get to know

>>188482323
>I've always wanted an assault class
Like Rangers?

>>188481753
My Reaper died during a mission where he was present, though I only found him a bit later and he had 12 hp. The Reaper unfortunately died to a pod flanking her from the fog and then shooting the shit out of her.

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>>188481554
Anon please. You are just being a stickler now, ignoring the common usage of word within this context, and I still don't know what this has to do with you saying that XCOM1 only happened in a simulation.
Both games are canon, get over it.
Also you left out this part of the definition conveniently:
>Other times, the word can mean "to be acknowledged by the creator(s)."
Which is what most people mean when discussing "canon," as in the creator acknowledges that the XCOM1 victory happened.

>>188480946
They didn't get tired because I blitzed the mission. Also I went with my A-team anyways

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>spend all day at stupid job waiting to play xcom
>finally get home, boot the game
>crash when I move any soldier
FUCK YOU

>>188482327
I had played LW2 for so long I'd forgotten evac Didn't take X amount of turns. Nice as it is to have an instant out, I don't think it should be on every mission, especially if Central blathers about Firebrand not being close.

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>Kill Chosen assassin
>returning home screen
>try to promote a templar
>game freezes

Your Ironman save shit better be on fucking point devs..

>>188481753
Pin him down and fuck the ever-loving shit out of him until.

>>188481753
>Banish
>Executed!

nothing personnel kid

>>188482394
no, more like the class from Long War 1. Infantry! That's what it was called I believe. You know a shooter type instead of the dash up and shotgun you in the face type of class

>>188482495

I had some crashing problems with one of these 2 mods

>Free Camera rotation
>Rookie Customization Options

Soon as I got rid of both, crashing stopped. The strategic map was also extremely low FPS too.

>>188482495
Are you playing with any mods? I didn't experience any crashes besides one very late game, but I know a fair amount of people have.

Captcha: Science Staff. Fuck off, Tygan, I'll get you scientists when you get me results.

>>188472596

Best missions honestly. Out of the new ones these have to be among my favorite, same with the resistance civilian shit.

Have you guys gotten the mission where the sitrep is there are civilians that give you supplies? Literally get around 90+ supplies for doing nothing but running next to a few civvies.

>Grenadier misses the 2nd shot from chain shot on to a chosen sarcophagus
Didnt even know you could miss that thing

>>188482495
Make sure your drivers are up to date.

>>188482817
You what? Are they giving you high-fives and cupcakes, too? That's appalling.

>>188482413
>Which is what most people mean when discussing "canon,"
No, no it is not, weirdo, which is why it's at the bottom of a massive paragraph of what canon usually means and why I said you should fucking specify if you meant it like that.

And that's not part of the definition. It's an alternative definition. Outside of clusterfuck canons where a bunch of people are making successor works in varying official capacities, a situation where you would even need to consider what the creator or owner acknowledges is canon isn't even likely to arise. Meanwhile alternate continuities are fucking all over the place.

>>188482817
I love those not just for the supplies but to have actually civilians on the level that do more then get in the way or rat out on you

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>>188482680
>>188482709
>>188482859
My drivers are up to date, and I dont have any new mod from my last days of playing, which were flawless.
I verified and none of my mod had been updated today or yesterday.

>>188483049
Psi-ops having a persuasion aura that gets civilians to fight when

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Jesus fucking Christ
Does that mean hes immune to Frost Bombs or is it just damage from Explosions hes immune to?

>>188483107
Just making sure but did you try a new save without any mods activated?

>>188483128
What are they gonna do, punch a Sectopod?

>>188483137
I think my Assassin had that, and it made Flashbangs not work (or they just don't work regardless), so maybe? Experiment and see!

is the expansion worth 40 buckaroos?

>>188483137
>regenerates
>immune to explosives
>defensive increased after being attacked
So annoying to kill

>>188481636
Points for the Nihei reference, bro.

>>188483305
All Chosen are immune to Flashbangs.
Not immune to burning though, and it still seems to disable their bullshit.

Close range?!

WHERE IS THE WEAPON PACK, E3245

Isn't reaper just sharpshooter with less damage output, and templar just a ranger with less damage?

>>188483332
Depends. How much did you like the base game of XCOM 2?

>>188483509
Aren't you just a dumbass that has't played the game?

So, I figure about now many of you have finished the campaign at least once, so it's time for some challenge run suggestions based on the three new factions. All of these will require Commander's Choice so you can pick your classes.

Skirmisher Campaign:
Start at the Skirmisher base
Allowed classes: Skirmishers, Rangers, Specialists, Psi Ops, Sparks
Stipulations: Rangers are your Stun Lancers, and thus must use rifles instead of shotguns (you can use the assassin's shotgun, though- if it's good enough for the chosen, it's good enough for the Skirmishers). No stipulations on the other classes aside from decorative ones. Specialists may be dressed as officers, generals, or troops, sparks should be painted like Mecs, and your Psi troopers should look like Priests. Mind control and hack liberally to turn more Advent to your side. You MUST use the order that has a chance of giving you an advent troop if you can manage to get it.

Reaper Campaign:
Start at the Reaper Base
Allowed Classes: Reapers, Rangers, Marksmen
Stipulations: Rangers have to be decked out with stealth skills before sword skills. Marksmen have to be given rifle skills before pistol skills. Use hoods liberally. Kill VIPs, they're collaborator scum.

Templar Campaign:
Start at the Templar Base
Allowed Classes: Any base class(no commander's choice), but MUST attempt to phase out ALL regular troops with Psi Troopers and Templars ASAP.
Stipulations: None but the above

Have fun, /xcg/!

>>188483502
Not releasing until Beagle finishes his campaign

>>188483509
Yes and no.
Reaper has less damage but can move And fire in the same turn, can throw claymores, remote detonate environmental explosives, and their detection radius from enemies is almost nothing compared to normal troops.
Templar does more damage the more they kill and gets a free action after melee right from the off, as well as being almost entirely melee focused instead of melee-shotgun, not to mention the psionic abilities.

>>188483269
Nah I just launched my game with the same mods I used for the past 3 days. I'm trying to make sense of the crash log

>>188483509
Templar get more damage than Rangers the more they kill. Additionally Templar with Bladestorm>Ranger with Bladestorm because Templars can't miss.

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>kill or extract VIP
>mow through enemies
>elders GREATEST CHAMPION appeares
>get executed by an overwatch the first fucking move he does
>"hah, faggot". knock out VIP, reinforcment flares up
>cluster my guys around it, blademaster ranger in the middle
>reinforcments come
>one of them a purifier
>dropzone next to a truck
>...

thankfully the purifier got far away enough so the truck didnt went off, so noone died, but they took a long break

Also holy shit, dual reapers break avanger defense and pisses on its ashes. Especially chain-boosted for maximum speed

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>>188481886
Checked back a little later, the lost had killed both pectoids, the MEC, and taken the priest and this spectre to half. Muton actually got hit once too, I'm dying.

>>188483704
on skirmisher game don't forget power suit and war suits with flamers to be your purifiers

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I wish the warden gear mod had some glossy armor options. I've used that for so long that the weird future color palette of the vanilla assets is growing on me but I want muh tactical vests.

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>>188483040
>No, no it is not, weirdo, which is why it's at the bottom of a massive paragraph of what canon usually means
>Massive paragraph
hmmmmmm
>And that's not part of the definition. It's an alternative definition.
It's actually extremely important because we only know that the XCOM 1 victory is canon because Jake specifically said so.
>The term "canon" nowadays refers to all works of fiction within a franchise's fictional universe which are considered "to have actually happened" within the fictional universe they belong to.
Hence why stating that XCOM 1 victory is canon is necessary, because otherwise people would assume that it never happened after playing XCOM 2. People like yourself I suppose.
I don't know why my use of canon triggers you so much when there is nothing wrong with it according to everything you posted.
And you still are ignoring the part where you said XCOM1 never happened. Is this your defense mechanism for being wrong in the first place? Or maybe you really are this much of a stickler and actually agreed with me the entire time? Idk, guess it doesn't matter.

>>188483753
[0060.96] XCom_Event:
Validation Failure Summary (These event listeners have been REMOVED) :
[0061.36] Warning: Attempting to detach NULL component from SkeletalMeshComponent_191
[0062.86] XCom_Maps: , Plot_WLD_UFO_Ravine, Temperate, 10.73
[0062.95] Log: XCom3DCursor::CachePlotDefinitionValues: Caching 2 as the MaxFloor.
[0063.06] ScriptLog: Gotcha Again v142: Initialization complete.
[0063.07] Warning: Redscreen: FullyLoading in DynamicLoadObject: XPACK_SoundTacticalUI (XPACK_SoundTacticalUI.ChosenTurn)
[0063.39] Log: Tactical Load Debug: Detected loading movie
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[0077.20] Log: X2TacticalGameRuleset_0 TurnPhase_UnitActions: Going to the Next Player
[0077.22] Log: X2TacticalGameRuleset_0 TurnPhase_UnitActions: Waiting for Visualizer: 1
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>>188483509
Yes, Bore of the Chosen is a blunder.

>>188484085
dumb bore poster

>>188483782
do factions get their own faction version of the alien ruler armors or power suits?

>>188483563
I haven't played it yet

>>188484115
I'm not sorry for spreading the truth.

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>final mission
>my sniper and ranger just zip around the final room slaughtering everyone while two templars teleport them around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jynTNYSKNuk

>>188483997
SHIT, I forgot about stuff like that. I'll refine my ideas.

>>188484171
>t.advent speaker

>>188484159
Do yourself a favour and try the base game out. WotC is a significantly different beast comparatively, and might give you a poor experience if it's your first time playing. That's my suggestion.

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>>188483272
yes

>>188483713
what, really?

>>188484337
Please I don't even have Xcom Jew installed, let alone Bore of the Chosen.

Xenonauts is all the fun I need.

>>188471619
>hey big guy, where's the gene therapy clinic

>>188484492
Why do you even come here then?

>>188484492
>shilling for xenotots

>>188471619
>A bunch of ghouls teleport into the institute.jpg

Anyone else ignore all the missions when you're almost close to water world?

Anyone know if the Star Wars armor mod have been updated for WotC? I seem to see all of the voice packs updated, but not the armors. How are people getting their stormtroopers in the game?

Also, any good weapon skin mods besides the VSS and AK5? The Halo Medley looks good but it seems to mess up with my game too much...

>>188484547
possibly to shill or because he has nothing better to do then mock the game he doesnt like

>>188484623
Me

>>188484547
To sit on your pathetic excuse for a strategy game

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>>188481017
i still have no idea what they stole when it said "black market stash/gear"

Any ideas?

>>188484743
I mean you could do it back then but now with Fatigue, deploying them takes fucking 10 days, I don't have time to wait god damn it.

What's with the constant unskippable radio interruptions in this game? They are grating as fuck on the first run and they must be torture on second playthroughs.

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THe others are Rural Checkpoints and Lightning reflexes

THis is the best one to counter right

>>188484870
I've had to listen to their jabbering for a full minute a couple of times

>>188484042
>Hence why stating that XCOM 1 victory is canon is necessary, because otherwise people would assume that it never happened after playing XCOM 2.
The XCOM 1 victory didn't happen within the universe of XCOM 2.

Also, I was the person who said XCOM 1 was canon in the first damn place, but only as a simulation so
>I don't know why my use of canon triggers you so much when there is nothing wrong with it according to everything you posted.

>And you still are ignoring the part where you said XCOM1 never happened.
It didn't relative 2, which was the discussion in the first place, see
>>188478591

XCOM 2 retcons XCOM 1 to be a simulation. Only autists that insist on using the artistic canon definition out of context insist on retconned works being canon.

And fuck whatever Jake said.

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Do you play out doomed campaigns until the official game over, or do you delete the save and start over?

>>188484623
Went from 2 to 8 on the Avatar track waiting for access to the last mission. Bunch of people dead most likely, some regions closing off to me, but fuck if I wasn't tired of those tedious missions and I was going to save the world Anyways. Just sit tight, people.