/parag/ - Paragon General

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>>187731992
>Euros can't keep /parag/ alive
Page 8 already.

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>>187733034
brand new thread had over 80 posts in barely 3 hours and then yuroshit time hit and it fucking dies for the first time in months

>>187733321
>>187733034
Europeans have garbage PCs. I'm not even joking. That's why they play Counter Strike and meme games like World of Tanks all day.

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Just not invested since v42 desu.

>>187734301
> Then you don't know shit. I know lots of people with great PCs and I live in central Europe, it surely is even better in the west. I just don't think that many Euros regularly post on 4chan in general, compared to Americans. Everyone that I know who comes here only lurks, and does so just once in a while

>>187735096
Fuck, didn't mean to greentext. Sorry

>>187734734
Because it's complete shit, anon. They could have just made the least used cards they originally had into new effects and called it a day. But no, it's just another "if you attack first you win unless you're playing x y or z who can always win that engagement" game. The guy I criticized for being pissed after it released was right, more and more time with this new game has led me to play it less and less.

>>187734734
Eh, I can understand the growing pains and adjustment period. At first my biggest gripes were small nitpicks (the card icons being huge at the bottom left of the screen, some cards having useless descriptions, having to ignore core cards and actually read what each card's gimmick was, etc). The more I played the more I got used to it, and I really like it so far. I was expecting some shit to get lost in translation, and for some characters to become complete monsters, but now the game should be in the "iron shit out" phase.

Cam said he bases his decisions off of internal testing, right? That's the only thing that worries me going forward. No matter HOW MANY TIMES you test something, or go through different combinations, there will ALWAYS be something you missed or didn't think of that someone will think of immediately. It always happens. I remember reading an interview in EGM with Hiroyuki Ito, the guy who directed FF12, and he mentioned how they planned for one of the late-game bosses to be impossible to defeat with the Gambit system, forcing the player to manually control each party member to test their skills. He said they tested something like 500 combinations of Gambits and deemed it impossible to defeat relying on the AI. Within a month of the game coming out, someone beat it using all Gambits.

>>187735329
There's not even any hope on the horizon, that's the real killer: they've come out and said that they want the games this fast, the towers this weak, the attribute economy this...whatever the fuck it is.
I might just be moaning like a little bitch at this point, but I'm genuinely upset and might legitimately be suffering from withdrawal.

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>>187735374
>thinking any of us believe a damn word Cameron says
Hello EPIC.

>>187735546
Did you read the rest of my post, moron? I said what Cam is doing is fucking wrong and won't work.

>>187735704
he doesn't read anything because the only yuro who actually posts is a reddit faggot who just shitposts about cam and how much the game sucks here because he knows he'd get banned for doing it there. he's been doing this since 42 released

>>187735374
I wouldn't give Cam or the Paragon internal testers any credit whatsoever. Letting slip that they had the new system for 3 months was a mistake: how in god's name did no one on the team try Red Zone Death Crawler Kallari, or SacAlc Emerich Wukong? Worse is the fact that almost every hero that was billed as being made exclusively for 42 turned out to be total shit (Revenant, Wraith) or ridiculously broken (Wukong, and to a degree Iggy and maybe Zinx).
I have no faith in them to do a good job if they can't catch even the most obvious stuff. We were putting together the broken shit weeks before launch when all we had were the damn leaks ffs.

>>187735938
I'm a non-redditfag Yuro and I don't shitpost, so you're wrong there.
Cam is a colossal cunt, though.

>>187736256
>I'm a non-redditfag Yuro and I don't shitpost, so you're wrong there.
then im glad you're here but im really sick of this one faggot just posting the same shit every thread for the past month as if any of us care or can do anything about him not liking the game anymore.
>Cam is a colossal cunt, though.
something we all agree on

Suppose I'll keep her bumped for three or so hours until real Yank hours. That's the kind of shit you dumb-fuck kids say these days, right?

which girls virginity would be the most fun to take?

>>187735987
this desu. Epic should stream dev testing just to show the community what a shitshow it really is. They are a tiny sample of gold and silver players testing shit against other mediocre players who are testing shit. There is no way in fuck you get valuable or meaningful balance data from that. Yet, that is the sort of testing they make key decisions from. Oh, and mysterious contrarian server data that we can never, in any capacity, see or verify. Their balance department is all asspull and strawman with a healthy dose of player-blaming all to fit some vague incomprehensible 'vision' that Epic pitched to papa Tencent.
And does anyone know who Tencent shoved onto the Epic board? I had heard tell of a few guys from Tencent's mobage division getting installed after the purchase and that explains a lot of the monetization choices as of late.
And to go even further into tin foil - Is Tencent pushing Epic out of the PC moba market and solely into the console plebs to prevent them from competing with LoL but still allowing epic to tap a newer market? That feels like a decent reasoning for Epic making this a casual brawler.

>>187737817
>does anyone know who Tencent shoved onto the Epic board?
I think it was the guy who made the Infinity Blade mobile games, Donald Mustard.
https://venturebeat.com/2017/02/27/epic-games-shifts-strategy-to-self-publishing-with-6-games-coming/

>>187737817
one of the top epic ceo's is a former mobile game executive yeah. and this was always going to be a console game tencent or not epic isn't stupid enough to think they're gonna sap people from league or dota.
ebin can talk about eports or whatever other shit they want to try to fool a bunch of nerds into slaving away at the game but this games only hope is gonna be to carve out a niche as a fast paced action moba with good looking waifus.

>>187737817
the closest we ever got to seeing their sacred internal testing games is when they fucked up the video on a couple of the community corners and just showed an interal match going on. Its number 13 and 14.
like everyone has always said they dont play the same game as everyone else does and its incredibly obvious after you watch just 3-4 minutes.

did they revert from new dawn yet?

>>187739218
uhhh our internal data shows that there is increased build variety so basically this update is perfect go fuck yourself

>>187739415
damn. I was hoping they'd decided to turn their retardation to focus entirely on fortnite. Guess not. They absolutely ruined both games in less than a month. I'm impressed, frankly.

>>187739468
Is Fortnite as much of a grindfest as I'm hearing? It released to some minor fanfare, but then nothing.

>>187739626
It's not even grind. There's not even a grind to get stuff, you have to pay. You get a basic drip feed of barely usable schematics for gear, 1 per like 5 or 6 quests (which is like 2 or 3 missions each), and have to pay for anything higher than a blue. Or get to a super far point in the game, that I would argue is impossible without friends dropping you pre-crafted gear from THEIR schematics (which will degrade and break, usually in the span of 1-2 missions), where you can throw 5-6 schematics for a RANDOM schematic with a CHANCE of it being purple or orange which are the only good rarities since they come with such massive boosts in base stats over green and blue that it's almost ridiculous.

There's not even much to grind unless you pay money for schematics, you'll cap out on inventory space in an hour or two of playing, you can play missions over and over for skill points but are ultimately then gated by research points (accrued at x points per hour to keep you logging in), and again, you are teased with the llamas (loot crates) that you have to pay for, that are the only source of new characters to play as, with better skills and more health (absolutely 100% necessary versus enemies who start doing ~1000 damage a hit, enough to kill the heroes you get free instantly).

It is a total disaster. They nerfed a bunch of characters in the patch from yesterday, and added a survival mode, which is something everyone wanted. But they made all the zombies do several thousand damage a hit and kill even the highest rarity mythic (above legendary) heroes die in two hits. This is obviously not going over well with whales who spent hundreds to try and get them.

>>187737472
Morigesh, always Morigesh

>>187740209
Jesus, that sounds fairly bad all right. Bad idea to piss off the whales: I'd imagine that they're the people you want to keep around if everyone already knows that your model is bullshit.

>>187741634
yeah they keep pissing them off, and the game is sinking in players daily, it took me almost a half hour to find a quick play co-op, which can throw you in missions already in play. So basically there were no matches running for almost a half hour. nothing. not a single one.

>>187735938
I'm not european and I don't use reddit. Good job trying to identify users on an anonymous imageboard though.

>>187741751
Let's hope that the same doesn't happen to Paragon. It would be harder, since the micro isn't as intrusive as it could be yet, but it's possible if they try something like that mastery shit again.

>>187742152
Think he might have been talking about me, even though I don't have a Reddit account either. Kind of proves your point, really.

>>187743262
It'll happen when they start charging for champions.

>>187743886
That would kill the game instantly, no backsies. I know we said it's a bad idea to give ebin the benefit of the doubt, but surely even they couldn't be so stupid.

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man now that its calming down A LITTLE and i get to play drongo i actually like him a lot. i don't think hes really as useful as murdock or chadblast but he can silence people out of channeling their ults and its fun to throw a boomerang.

>hate v40 and how the game was after the update but the general actually is active
>love 42 but the general is back to being dead to the point that threads get archived after 100 posts again
i just want to have fun playing the game and have a place to talk about it with my bushbros why must fate be so cruel

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do I do more reading or more playing for this to click? Try your best not to attack me here, I'm trying to be a contributing member to the moba community and we all started somewhere.

I am learning to play mobas with paragon. I've been playing for like 2 days and have little to no idea what I'm doing besides basic principles and having one friend who plays it. Wtf did I get myself into and is there a real concrete beginners guide to this particular game and or is it just fuck up and practice until you finally fucking understand.

>>187745235
His design would improve tremendously if the two tentacle things coming out of his head were removed.

>>187745591
Before you tell me to just Google it, when i do that I get either outdated or really advanced sorts of advice or stuff that really doesn't seem to help that much. I am asking here simply for where you folks went to pick this up. I'm all for the challenge and learning curve but I just wanna know if I'm right in thinking I have to fuck up a bunch of other peoples matches all day until I know what I'm doing or if I really can learn basics from "advice"

>>187745591
For other mobas probably yeah. For Paragon though, everything about the games is still unbalanced and being changed too often. The current system has less than a month, so I wouldn't expect to find any in depth guides yet.

Which reminds me, I have to finally update the fucking FAQ

>>187745591
Did you ever play Dynasty Warriors? Or one of those games? MOBAs are basically those, but the commanders are actual people. You push your side to take control of the map. The buffs are temporary and can make a difference if a fight is close, but won't make you overpowered. Paragon is the first MOBA I played an extensive amount of (I had about 30 hours in HOTS before this) and I tried DOTA2 (it's shit), LoL (it's ok but a bit overwhelming with how many heroes there are), Vainglory (about as good as you'll get for a portable), and Smite. Paragon's the best one IMO but I'm not a huge Blizzard fanboy. I like the characters in this the best.

But yeah, don't worry about getting kills or any additional shit. That comes later. Just focus on your lane and killing minions until you get familiar with the controls, heroes, map, etc.

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>>187745591
guide to paragon 42.3 in 10 steps:
1) pick a role and stick to it. learn multiple roles because you won't get your preferred role very often.
2) farm for 3 minutes
3) 3 minutes 1 second: end game has hit, now maraud around in a death ball with your team BUT also simultaneously your teammates expect you, no matter your role, to protect BOTH left and right lane, at all times.
4) but seriously when your allied killari/revenant/yin chases past their tier 2 to get an unlikely kill and died and spams THANKS! at you over and over, it wasn't your fault. in that situation, just retreat unless you really, really, really can get the kill.
5) if its khaimera though it might just work
6) (unrelated to previous points) make sure you get last hits at all times unless you're support, in which case never get last hits unless its literally impossible for your ADC to get it. pros get like 90% last hits or some shit (in other mobas, there aren't real paragon pros)
7) make sure your deck has some kind of sustain because going back to base constantly will mess you up. i like the healing aura 3 int card, and put it on my ADC decks JUST IN CASE the draft doesn't give me a support. this happens pretty often.
8) when your team gets some kills, make sure to take that opportunity to push motherfucking objectives. that means right after getting a kill, don't retreat unless you absolutely have to, instead take the 30 seconds to push and kill the nearest tower or when you miraculously triple kill and your team starts pining attack OP, do it unless you're really going to die.
9) uhhh running out of tips
10) when you lose, its okay, when you die, its okay. just make sure to learn from it.

>>187745734
i really want his scavanger skin or whatever its called. fuck i almost have enough coins. hopefully i can open some in a chest or something soon.

>>187746125
>>187746312
>>187746207

Thank you I feel way better now. I'll just try some coop stuff with different heroes til I find a couple I'm comfy with and get some practice in with my abilities. My first mistake was that in other game genres I tend to play glass cannons so I tried countess which is a crap idea for someone who can't read their opponents yet.

>>187745235
He seems like the kind of ADC that can really fuck with people once you really learn how to play him well, but the majority of players never will, and most of those shitters are "ADC mains", so good luck ever picking him even if you do get good with him.

>>187746207
>>187746951
The best part is as soon as you start to feel like you know what you're doing, Epic will delete the whole game and release a new one with the same name and heroes and now you have to start over

>>187748543
If only.

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>>187735329
>They could have just made the least used cards they originally had into new effects
This is what confuses me more than anything: why not change the useless cards like Irradiate into something useful like Red Zone? You're still building stats, it's just you have less control over them now and the screen for seeing your total stats was removed. Was it so people wouldn't be backing every now and then? Because I actually liked that.
I don't understand how the attribute system magically allows EPIC to "apply balance changes more easily", or whatever nonsense it was they said. Apart from the number of available actives decreasing and stat building being less obvious (but still present), I just don't see how v42's new system gives them "a better foundation" like I keep hearing EPIC's buttboys repeat every time the new version's weaknesses come up. I'd be happy to change my tune if EPIC explained HOW this is good for the game, but they just kind of shrug off any question that they don't feel like answering.

>>187747901
>He seems like the kind of ADC that can really fuck with people once you really learn how to play him well
idk if this is accurate higher up (low gold here) but it feels like with how attack speed is and with how quick games are, adcs are kind of just mid level in team importance so having an adc with almost like half a support moveset seems really strong.

>>187745734
epic has a weird fascination with tentacle headgear. kallari would look much better without them too.

>>187745235
Yeah he's actually pretty fun. He works with my regular carry deck. I'll try him on PvP since I've only played him on PvE

>"fix" godawful UI in patch
>fix the fix the next day with another patch because the first one was so bad
Jesus Christ, is there one competent person on this dev team? I guess whoever models the waifus is pretty good, but there have been some misses mixed in with the hits.

>>187749889
Yeah, ADC's don't generally have much time to enjoy their full build from what I've seen, so having a carry with a more robust kit instead of just being shoot-man is definitely an advantage.

>>187749796
Its not that stat building is gone, because a role like carry is just always going to build stats. its that there is no 'right' build for every hero now. taking kwang as an example, you can do suicide kwang, shield kwang or tanky kwang as opposed to before where it was just stasis-radient-bloodsoaked-adamant-ward and if you built anything else you were objectively building wrong.
as far as the attribute system being easier to balance i dunno just more cam bullshit.

>>187750993
This is why I like the new system it is more flexible and varied.

>>187750464
>>187750951
i've only done my normal black/white deck, but i feel like black/green with trapper and one with the tribe or whatever its called is going to be wild. an added slow/root, tons of power in team fights, and of course vampiric blade for sustain.

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>>187749796
probably to keep people from finding more broken shit, the community outcry brought it back, you can't hide from dataminers and mathematicians they will find your shit

example here's your OP end game carry builds everyone

These are pretty much the optimal non gimmick builds you need

>>187744813
I wouldn't put it past them to do it once the game leaves beta.

>>187750993
I never built Radiant on Kwang and enjoyed a 4.0 KDA with a 56% win rate.

>>187750993
>>187751385
But that's the thing, why not just add new active effects and reduce the overall effectiveness of stat building at the same time? Best of both worlds without the need to completely reinvent the whole system. There will always be "perfect" or just plain meta builds that everyone gravitates to, just like >>187752367 suggests: the only difference now is that some of the actives make up for not building optimally in some situations. Technically things are more diverse, although there was nothing stopping them from adding these effects pre v42.
If there's any logical reason behind the change (other than just shaking up the whole game for faster matches or even just publicity), then it must have something to do with the new system's infrastructure, but EPIC never explained why this matters outside of a few fluff lines about it making things easier for them to balance (lol).

>>187750993
>>187751385
But that's wrong, we only have 3 slots I can guarantee you a astral leap, flag bearer, protective sentry ADC will get their ass whipped even at 25 agl because non of those cards have power

but even if I apply that to casters it's the same and fighters too, there is WRONG building in v42 just less because of the new system

But for the most part there are already core must haves on each lane:

Mid, Atomic soilder
Carry, shatter golem/ Deathcrawler (rev)

etc.

>>187753345
Hopefully that will be less of an issue when they start adding more cards, but that's at least one full numbered update away, so we're looking at just after Halloween at the earliest.

>>187753345
I didn't say there weren't wrong builds I just said there isn't a right one anymore. Just take >>187752367 as an example thats 7 viable builds for a carry without the Rev or Grim meme builds. as opposed to before where every single carry build was the exact same cards, in the exact same order, with the exact same upgrades that ended with the exact same end stats.

>>187751745
sheeeeit i might even try blue/black with o.p.d. militia, the new cryoagent, and vampiric blade. bit more mana, bit of burst, slow, and you can buy that consumable power item to keep your power up. probably won't work on a team that doesn't have quite a bit of damage already though.

>>187754478
Could the same effect not have been achieved with the old system by unlocking the affinities and moving some numbers around? Who ever made use of that one Order card that gave crit and regen? There were a couple of crit bonus Corruption cards, but why would Revenant ever not build Blade of Agora?
Build variety would have been at least as varied with the old cards, discarding about 30% of them that were just a complete waste of inventory space (although they could have been reworked). Maybe even more varied with 4 active slots, who knows.
I get that the 3 slot system is for balance in terms of what effects are on the field as well as to fit the new economy and game pace, but this still seems like they just decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater yet again.

>>187755503
I assume its due to the slotting upgrades basically requiring that every builds degrades into min/max which then degrades into a single correct build. I'm not trying to argue that the new system is everything they say it is, like I said its more than likely just more Cam bullshit, but it is better than the old one.

>>187755908
I agree that the new system works fine, but what I'm having trouble understanding is why they needed to tear everything down in order to implement it. Seems like it was just another box on the checklist of things to remove from the original concept instead of something that was absolutely necessary.

>>187756301
I recall them saying this system was more intuitive for new players and they had way more success with people understanding it than the old one.

>>187757092
Fair enough, if that's what their "data" says. Not to sound.like a prick, but I don't remember ever having a problem with the old one starting out. Maybe I didn't balance my decks with the early game in mind for a good while, but I never found it hard counting to 60.

>>187757442
i made a few smurfs and you'd be surprised how often people would go entire games without understanding you could put upgrades into cards or even equipping any cards at all. I can see how the current system would be easier to understand if you're just starting.

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>its mid plat and carries are STILL pushing the lane early, getting ganked & complaining about how shit support/the team is
Seriously? NOBODY here thinks about matchups? None if these w+m1 brain dead CoD fucks think "hmm there's a squishy in the offlane let's pull the wave back and poke them hard outta lane once they try to get farm"? Not one single fucking carry player here in the top 5% or whatever goes "hmm if we push the lane life is super easy for the solo laner who is getting 100% xp compared to us, hmmmm if we take the tower early the solo laner who is already fucking 4 levels ahead can play catch up on gold and if we push up any further before mid takes the tower we open ourselves to getting ganked hmmm"

I'm so sick of the lack of personal responsibility in mobas and this game doesn't do enough to punish bad players or enough to reward good players who know the little things. Every w+m1 fuck who wins games because the enemy team was uncoordinated or sucked or didn't have w/e flavor of the month OP BS broken hero ends up thinking they're a Greek god and if they do some shit that causes them to die its everyone ELSE's fault for playing properly.

>>187757092
I can vouch for that. The old system was terrible at explaining how it worked.

>>187758003
Jeez, that's dire. Then again, there's nothing even approaching any kind of tutorial outside of that 15 second Gideon/ Steel joke, so it's not that surprising.

>>187758075
The top 5% doesn't mean much when the game population is relatively tiny. I'm not sure taking out the few things that would appeal to serious moba players who would like to try something new was the way to go in addressing that particular problem, either: you're not going to see good retention with the xX420GunSM0keItErryDayXx crowd one way or another, and the autists that come over from the competing titles won't stick around if the mechanics are as shallow as a puddle and the balance is consistently fucked.

>>187758169
>>187758339
the old system was extremely simple if you took just 5 minutes to figure it out but you have to remember that most people who play any game has the attention span of a 4 year old on crack. Having 8 points and wanting to do more damage in the old system meant you had to back, pick the right card, fill it with some upgrades and make sure those upgrades, along with your other cards and upgrades total 60. Now you get 8 points and go ding-ding-ding into agility and can equip heavy hitter

>>187758075
if your carry is retarded just ditch them. they'll bitch and whine the whole match but they'll also usually play super safe and get farmed while you help someone else win lane. one of the keys to solo q is knowing when to cut your losses

Bump before bedtime. We're back to where the last thread was before it died, Yanks: show us how much better you are at keeping us bumped.

>>187761490
I JUST GOT FIRED FROM MY 450K A YEAR JOB AND IT WAS JUST FOR SHITBI PORN

>>187761490
I mean...I appreciate that it exists, but a T-pose isn't terribly exciting.

>>187761738
And you weren't buying shares in ebin in order to positively influence development? This is all your fault then, in a way.

>>187745564
>love 42
>bushbro
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>187763294
gay

>>187761490
lewd. I love it.

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>>187763294
is there an issue?

>tfw having more fun playing CoD than Paragon: CoD Edition
Looks like the joke is on you, Camalamadingdong.

Anyone else play a match or two every few days hoping you pull a 180? I'm sure this is why the general died, I know I haven't been posting nearly as much.

>>187764983
I'm going back to drawing and Dark Souls for a while, but /parag/'s a comfy place to hang out and bump while keeping an eye out for any major changes to Paragon.

>two people both pick drongo
>second pick just waits there and says nothing
>first pick locks in drongo
>second pick chosses a new hero

what do people expect if they don't say anything?

>>187764983
I've got nothing else to play till I crack and buy destiny 2 on launch day.

>>187761738
kek

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If I'm still new to playing and I'm only competent playing one or two heroes (decent with sparrow, passable with countess) and the roles are unevenly distributed at draft should i
A) dodge draft
B)pick a hero I suck with that we need
C) use who I'm experienced with and supplement myself into a different role

>>187768065
A if you want the true paragon PvP experience
C if youre at 30m draft penalty and realize the game is trash and roles barely matter anyway

>>187768065
C will make you an eternal shitter
B will lead you on the path out of shitterdom
A is what you will do once you have escaped shitterdom

>>187768065
Play bots to get good with 3 or four characters with different roles then you'll be set, you can also do this in pvp matches if you're ballsy.

I hate how clunky some of the support cards feel
Like Mallenk's Grace for example
>yeah let me just click this and try and click my teammate during a teamfight for a shield that lasts 3 seconds
Fuck off man, just make it so it shields you and the nearest ally or make the shield last longer

>>187772773
or just bring back htp so people actually buy the card

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Why the FUCK does Greystone have only an 18% pick rate? I've used him 17 times and I'm 14-3 with him. My KDA is 5.03. I'm eating Countesses and Wukongs and looking like a pure aryan Captain America in the process. This fucker is glorious.

>>187775242
He sucks in this ultra burst meta and his ult is bugged right now where sometimes you'll die when its up

So am I supposed to be running red/white for carries or red/black

>>187775558
He has as much burst as Wukong, doesn't he? He still hits like a truck with his normal attack + Make Way. He's very resilient if built right. I don't know, he seems to have more defense than Wukong or Kwang.

>>187775793
either. depends on what gems or characters you're using too. check >>187752367 for all the carry builds and pick one you like

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Fuck why does this game suck now

>>187777226
its the same game as it was a month ago only on crack and with a new item system, i really dont understand why everyone thinks the sky is falling. its always been horribly balanced, monolith has always had a shit jungle, its always had shit on map objectives and the best strategy has always been to farm for 5 minutes and deathball. people are losing their shit because the game timer says 25 at the end now instead of 35

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>>187778602
The game's better than it was when we first moved to Monolith. I still prefer Legacy, but that's because the map was spacious enough that you could do your own thing if you wanted. It was more isolated. Plus, I liked the harvester system and thought carrying the Orb back to buff your team was tense as fuck.

But I love this new card system, and it's created a greater gap between player skill levels. If they would add another map or two, even if it's a skin for Monolith (ice theme, magma themed, etc) I think that would help.

>>187779401
>it's created a greater gap between player skill levels.
it's done something i've gone up 117 elo in a month.

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>hitting dem 4-5 man ults
>routinely escaping with 100 HP
>can legitimately be built 10 different ways
>can play multiple roles
>best skin in the game
>THICC
>dat fuckin ass
>sexy with just the right amounts of slutty and dom
Is there any doubt who is best girl? Bow to your Queen

>>187783337
I prefer the bully "won't leave you alone till you're dead" build.

bedtime bump

up

>>187767130
sounds fine? he wanted drongo as well, but the didn't put up a fuss about it. thats fine to me?

FUCK WHY DO YOU GUYS LET THIS DIE TALK TO ME

>3rd fucking match since the update where someone force picks drongo and quits after feeding since they're playing him offlane or mid
good thing when you reach the top 0.8% of the fucking playerbase the matchmaking improves i can see why epic doesnt focus on this aspect of the game and instead shits out more skins

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>off lane Drongo
>off lane Wukong
>jungle Feng Mao
>safe lane Aurora
>jungle Narbash
>jungle Greystone
>mid lane Wraith
>mid lane Crunch

>>187767130
Wat

>>187767130
That's the exact thing that should happen, what do you expect? Player two to cry about it?

>every game
>be support
>walk up to mid lanes from the side and get first blood
>win
>do this every time

what the fuck ebin you call this a game

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https://agora.gg/deck/9270/kwang-sustain-offlane
New deck I made based off the card changes, works really well on our guy in the offlane.

>>187755041
ok my careful internal testing has determined this is just wayyyy too mana hungry

So who do you guys want ported into sfm?

>>187792526
>off lane wukong and jungle feng are a problem
Uh oo oo oh literal carbon atom elo alert here.

Just a little tip in case you're just retarded and not joking - the quicker monkey hits 5 the quicker he becomes able to 1v2 which then becomes 1v3 and by 20m 1v5

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>>187796098
the queen

>first 2 matches of the night feature great teamwork good rotation no toxicity
>followed by 'a monkey going 0-12-0 and a fey going 1-7-1 in the same match and then someone picking drongo offlane dying twice in 3 minutes and quitting
yolo q is quite the experience im gonna take my 2-2 night and go to bed

Why are queues so insanely long? I'm only at 1460 and I've been in queue for 9 minutes.

>>187799367
im at 1450 and my ques are like 1.5 minutes and I play on NA and its 3AM on the east coast. Stop playing on a meme server I guess.

Fuuuuuck I just want to play Drongo why am I last pick every game.

>>187799463
I'm queueing on EU.

I think I should just give up on the game. Finally that I got a match I was like this guy: >>187799739 and was immediately forced to support.

Nobody seems to want to play ad carry or support in this game, yet people are still forced to do so. I suppose the upside is that the dodging penalty is nothing compared to queue time.

>mfw retards ask people at the end of the draft what they are going to pick

REE

I remember when we were a real general for a few weeks in v41. So glad they saved the game.

Just had a game where the jungle Rampage on my team did less hero damage than the enemy Muriel. Dude was the biggest pussy off all time.

>>187814752
Do those AoE Death cards count towards the damage numbers? Could have been a meme Muriel and a passive Rampage. What was their kill participation?

>>187815054
Yes they do and that ramp was probably stuck in the jungle farming whites most of the game. Ramp has shit clear so you often miss white spawns in favor of tdm because v42 jg is fucking retarded

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>>187815054
I think so cause I was Kwang and was using them in team fights. Dude got heaps of assists, but didn't tank shit and just protected his kda like a pussy. Ah well, we won the match anyway, I shouldn't be so salty.

>>187797719
that's every night for me and my friends. Have 2 or 3 good games then get paired with a mid-lane sev who goes 0/10

>>187815276
>>187815542
The Rampage should have had Thunder Cleaver equipped (or realised that the new Jungle is basically useless anyway), but looks like we solved the mystery, gang.

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>>187815542
>he had 12 assists
>43% kill part which, while not great, isn't bad
>went even on kills
>their team did more damage but had worse kda indicating some damage soaking
>shit elo
Dude you should be happy you got out so lucky. I play elo cap and routinely have worse junglers.

>>187815542
He had an okay-ish kill participation (12 assists, it's what a jungler should have really), but I can see him not having enough of a presence on the map.

>>187816097
I tanked so much shit, if he was in the mixer more often I wouldn't have died so much.

>>187783337
share ur rora builds m8

so i stopped playing when v42 came, how is it? the new deck system look absolutely horrendous and confusing and it seems that anyone can jungle now making the jungler quite unneccessary, which is quite sad. Also the game is faster now, what are they trying to do?

>>187824541
The cards are easy enough to understand, but you're right about everything else. EPIC want to make a faster paced moba, but at this rate it's basically just a brawler with some token moba elements. Towers are still shit, minions spawn way too fast and the jungle may as well not exist anymore. Faster cooldowns and attack speed encourage a burst meta, and casters can chunk you hard with one ability.
We're in a weird fucking place with this patch, but this is apparently the direction Cam and the boys want to go, so I don't expect it to change significantly.

>>187825056
Looking at smite, i'm not sure we can say that the slower game that Paragon was followed the MOBA trend. the TTK in moba is not that high.
also what the fuck is this new rank system,mastery are wayys too expensive. 50 000k of rep with quest and shit is not enough.

>>187825496
I guess you're right about the strict definition of a moba, so I suppose that exposes me: the moba standard can be what it wants to be, but I was entirely happy with the pace and rhythm of the game in every iteration before this one. Non-tower objectives were on shaky ground but mostly good before now, but they seem like an afterthought at the minute.
I was there for Legacy, I was there for Monolith; They had their problems but I could see the bigger picture. This on the other hand is a step too far-removed from what I want out of Paragon.

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Why does Kallari start with more HP than Greystone?

>>187825496
If you think masteries are bullshit now, you should have seen them before the last patch: 500k per level.

>>187826627
i was also very fine with the speed of pre v41, new speed notably fucked up the animations of my man howie and now when he shoots he don't reload anymore but a rocket appears magically, it really suck and remove some of the great polish this game had, also being stunned and instantly killed is never fun.

>>187828009
Agreed, but this is what ebin wants. I don't like it any more than you do.

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>>187828224
>>187828009
Superville always said he wanted an action-based MOBA with quicker matches. I tried Smite on the PS4 and those matches sometimes took over an hour with a Monolith-sized map, but no sprinti--err, "Travel" function like how we had in Monolith, so it was slow as shit. I like how twisted and vast the jungle is, but the rest is slow and boring.

>>187787892
>>187792929
>>187793127
If you wanted to play a certain character but pick after someone who also wants to play the same character, you could at least ASK if they would be so kind to play another character. Sitting there in silence and doing nothing won't do anything.

Don't see why this is such a weird concept.

>>187831472
I always figure first-come-first-serve. If I get stuck at the bottom of the draft, and someone picks my main, I pick someone else. You think the Redskins asked the Colts "c-can you please NOT take Andrew Luck?"

>>187831472
>Don't see why this is such a weird concept.
it's not weird after the guy above him picked drongo he switched so maybe he just wanted to try him out but didn't care either way.

>>187831472
He doesn't care enough to speak up? And sometimes it's okay to sacrifice (if you can call it that) so someone else gets what they want.

Besides, its generally understood that pick order is priority.

>>187826954
Because Greystone is going to start building lots of vitality, health, and health regen.

>>187836407
You would think, wouldn't you?
The amount of times I've seen the "I pick first" shit is ludicrous. Reminding them of the pick order just gets you a "so?" or, most recently, "omg".

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>late game triple kill in one shot with sparrow

>>187841324
>in one shot
Impressive. Don't suppose you were recording?

>people feed Kallari left and right
>"WOOOOW THIS JUNGLER"
I hate jungling in low elo in mobas, because people never never understand why it's their fault.
Yes, you got ganked because you were humping the enemy tower without wards and Kallari killed you.
No, I can't go 5-0 in 2 minutes like Kallari did because the enemy was actually smart enough to play better and drop wards.
No, I can't teleport to where she's ganking you and magically turn it around.

If your jungler isn't nearby, maybe don't play like a retard.

>>187842062
Then stop being in low elo if you hate it so much.

>>187842062
Restricting vision like they did was a mistake: map coverage early on was minimal, and late-game became a war of who could deward efficeintly. Having wards in a deck was also considered a way to distinguish a shitter from someone who knew what they were doing.

How do I get good with Riktor? He seems like complete garbage. His chain pull is slow as fuck and his only good attack is Electrocute. I build him tanky and his attacks are wet noodles. I build him with power and he dies immediately. He's such a big target and so slow with no getaway abilities. Why would I want to play as him when Greystone, Kwang, Steel, and Narbash are better in every facet of the game?

>>187842560
>hit your fucking pull on something that isn't the fucking tank
>ult that guy
>your team gets free pick
>wait for another pull or force the 4v5
Riktor is great right now with how low ttk is. CC is premium.

>>187842560

Because he's one of those heroes that excels with communication and teamwork. He sets up teammates to do the damage, not himself. He is undertuned, but thats much better than making a hero like that overtuned.

>>187842312
I don't play Paragon as much, I'm start to play more now, but obviously I still have to climb up.
>>187842380
Actually I disagree, the old way was just too much vision. It made sense on Legacy when the map was way bigger but then they made it too much for how small monolith is.
The way vision works now is fine imo. Supports have access to wards or anyone who goes Order(lots of offlaners benefit from going order). People are complaining about Countess and Kallari ganking them but the fact is they're shitters. Whenever I'm support or carry I almost never die to those ganks because I ward early, play smart and actually watch the map.
You can just see how retarded these people are by watching them. Carries will go off alone pushing a lane way down, someone will ping them "careful right lane", what happens? They get ganked by someone and die. People are bad dude, wards wont save them.

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>>187842560
Riktor used to scare me on Legacy. He was a tank that hit like a truck. I would have to pick Greystone to counter him. If I was Kwang (for the little bit he was on Legacy), Khaimera, or Feng I would get torn to shreds. Now he's a big bitch. My manlet monkey tears him to shreds. He's a free kill for most casters. Like you said, his chain is so slow that if he tries to use it to grab me as I'm raining bullets upon him, I sidestep an inch and avoid it. He's one of the few heroes in this game that I can attack without any hesitation and slap his shit. And I'm gold.

>>187843031
A middle ground would be nice: at least stop restricting it only to Order to allow supports to ward without being instantly locked to one affinity. Even two affinities having wards would go a long way. What's the second least used? Knowledge?

>>187843104
>He's one of the few heroes in this game that I can attack without any hesitation and slap his shit
i think now that they re did iggy he's probably the only one i feel this way about, maybe also khai if i'm a melee

I played with a Khai that had grow totem, trapper and some other card that I couldn't remember and the fucker shredded my godmother/SA/MallekTrib Kwang. Did Kwang got needed on the last update or was the cards?

I'm playing with mommy now, she's way more versatile as off

>>187843675
you put wards in two affinities and then you create a dump affinitiy for half the builds just for that. Shield build carry and offlane is one of the most popular decks and can have wards, stagnant domain is one of the best caster cards and lets you have wards. the reason no one buys wards is because 99.9% of the playerbase is retarded shitters. the wards are fine and work like they do in every other moba now you're not supposed to have vision on fucking everything and make 100% calculated plays everytime like you could before there needs to be some form of risk reward to movement on the map

>>187843675
nah knowledge is always taken by casters. Knowledge and Chaos shouldn't have wards.
I'd be okay with unique ward cards in growth or death though.
Maybe a growth consumable ward. and a death ward cursed card that would send a ghost to scout out for a little while and then disappear.

This way other affinities have options but none are as good as order. but like I said, it's not gonna stop shitters from dying even if they have the option.

>>187844365
I fucking hate Iggy
>turrets hit you before you can hit them, even as a ranged character, unless you're Murdock and even then you have to wait for cooldown
>he sets them up instantly, they take no mana so he has an infinite supply
>get within range of him and he throws a molotov which fills the screen with fire, slows you, and applies burn damage
>all the while his turrets are pelting you and he is as well
>get close enough to him
>HUEHUEHUEHAHAHAHAHA
>melt instantly
He's the most broken character in any MOBA I've ever played. I saw people bitching about Kael'thas constantly in HOTS but Iggy is worse than he ever was.

>>187845123
His old kit was "balanced" in the sense that it was in the spirit of Paragon's game style for both the player playing him and the enemies. It took skill and outmaneuvering your enemies to play him. And now? He is a brainless, anti-fun turret spammer who by design is completely broken. If the Iggy rework and the v42 update is any indication where the game is headed, we're in for some serious trouble.

Why is Belica's head tiny?
Why does Serath have boob armor?
Why does Aurora's new costume have a butt window?
Why is Morigesh so ugly?
Why is Muriel so ugly, but with a sculpted ass?
Why is Shinbi 8 feet tall?

>>187844785
Cursed death vision is such a no-brainer, it's crazy that they don't already have it.

>>187846956
i agree that serath shouldnt have tit armor and should just fight all natural

>>187847174
have a cursed ward just means every support runs black along with white, it would actually shink the choice for supports even more

>tried to make paragon general when it didnt exist
>died every time
>someone else did it again for the second time
>work hard to get paragon general to live in its early stages
>we made it
then ebin killed the game and noe I don't play anymore. thanks

>>187848996
Feels bad.

>>187848659
If you honestly think people are gonna run two ward cards you're retarded. people already barely run one.
vision is important but some of the support cards are way more valuable to have for winning teamfights.

>>187849473
the support cards besides the quenching copy and maybe hamstring are pretty garbage. its why the kit supports got massive boosts. anytime i play support and 90% of the supports i play against or with have lamp lighters out at all times along with the ward card. i dont know what its like in lower leagues but thats why its the low leagues

>>187848996
>>187849430
I didn't play this game for 2 months after the Age of Retardation update but I still helped bushpost this general to success. Don't give up now.

>>187844785
>and a death ward cursed card that would send a ghost to scout out for a little while and then disappear.
this would be cool. even if it just spiraled out from where you used it for however many seconds.

>>187850193
I'm still here man. I won't reinstall until I see them at least strike a happy medium between what we had and what we currently have, but I'm here.

Which attribute should I focus on while playing Zinx, vitality or intelligence? She needs loads of both health and mana to be effective. Should I alternate putting points in them?

>>187851382
Couldn't you build vitality through cards while getting your "early game" Intellect stuff first? What's your build and/ or progression?

>>187851765
I'm not really playing her yet, I've just tried her once so far and it didn't go very well because of how much mana she sucks, but I'm willing to give her another shot. Which early game tank cards could work for her then?

>>187850004
Maybe against Kallari and in the early-mid game but why the hell would you just keep the consumable ward when you have like 25+ attribute points? You'll be squishy as fuck and really gimped in a teamfight.
Just checked a few 2k+ elo games of support players and they definitely aren't doing what you're saying. Most are getting the consumable wards early on and then the upgraded one later, or continue buying the consumable ones while they get other shit.
They only use the consumable ward + the upgraded ward when they don't have enough for a meaningful card.

>>187851382
rush withering and vital waters. If you want to do cursed early game, cursed sprykin, or just throw a growth totem or something on there. 25 vit gives you regen and withering ticks dont count as combat so you can maintain insane hp regen as you walk after fuckers. Every other zinx build is a meme.

>>187825056
I don't think getting last hits adds anything to the game before you had the long laning phase but now that you can start black or red or wait 6 minutes to 13 agility anyone can just hold the left mouse button and walk forward. Really no such thing as early/midgame characters anymore since the game goes straight from laning to late game. It's an archaic mechanic and if they're moving more towards a brawler they should get rid of it.

Tie all progression into the amber link, each minion that dies near a player on your team builds up to the next couple of attribute points for your entire team. Kills and towers count for a lot more. If your team is behind everything gives more points so the winning team can't just snowball forever.

>>187841843
Nah, and to be honest it was just dumb luck in a scramble to defend the core. I popped my ult after my aoe , it just so happened they were all spread out exactly so that my shot nailed them at the same time. No skill just a nat20 dice roll

>>187853350
i have no idea what you're talking about late game. ive had maybe 5 matches go past 25 minutes and anytime i play support i barely even hit 15k worth of gold. i buy lamp lighters and work towards mallenks prayer while buying more lamp lighters anytime i back. after i get that i get the actual ward card or a utility card while still buying lamp lighters. ive never understood how people have trouble with vision if a support is doing their job i always have prime and raps covered with a ward or two in other places.

>>187854441
Ah well. good job anyway, anon.

>game is more active than usual
>queues are less than a minute, must be pretty popular
>check on /vg/
>nobody posts in the general
Why? Are you guys shy?

>>187856842
we all hate it now

>>187857440
i like it its fun

>>187856842
Most people here don't like the changes I think.
I personally do like most of the stuff that 42 did, but am unable to enjoy the game because of biblical level flood of morons and shitters it brought along. And I don't mean just bad players, I mean people who apparently have no idea how the game works at all. High time to start teaming up with people from general again I guess.

>>187857608
Man, we couldn't manage that before the update split the playerbase in two: the time zone/ server difference makes it hard to consistently get people playing.

>>187857608
>>187857843
Just got to hold on, /parag/. Things will swing back our way eventually, just keep the faith.

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so whats the belica deck right now? got a skin in a chest a while back (default polar strike btw) and i've been wanting to play a caster again. i have all the cards and stuff.

>>187858243
Fuck me, I miss Legacy. Private servers when?

>>187858374
me too man, me too

>>187858243
Blue for the big dick caster cards and infinite damage, red for fireball.

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>>187858243
Ditching Legacy was the biggest mistake they ever made. A visual update won't make Monolith any less shit.

It's not the attack speed changes and cards and whatnot I don't like, it's the fact everyone is insanely strong. I was pissed when I saw the buff Gideon got, especially for his rock.
Don't get me started on the Iggy 'nerf' to his house regen.

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>>187858374
>>187858923
>>187859505
Uh, hey, why don't you guys just adapt? Listen, Paragon has moved on, like, get over it. Legacy was a step in the wrong direction, my like, vision of Paragon is like, a lot better. v42 is the future of mobas. Trust me.
Also please buy some coins. Don't you want that new Aurora skin? It's really good!

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>>187860510
seems legit

>>187860510
hi cam, why can aurora look like a dominatrix with her fat ass hanging out but none of the other girls could get a bikini skin for the summer?

>>187858243
red/anything so you can have fireball. once you get fireball enjoy 100-0ing carrys in 1v1s since she doesn't need a nerf or anything

>>187861296
So actually this is like, a great question. We did some internal testing and Aurora, without a doubt, has the best ass in Paragon. She was given a 98.1 out of 100 on our ass-chart.
So you have to ask yourself, like, we already have this character with such a nice ass, do we really need bikini skins for the others? If we give the girls bikini skins then we also have to give one to Aurora. And like, is that really fair? How can the other girls compete?
Sometimes the answer isn't as simple as you think. But rest assured the Epic team is always one step ahead! -Cam

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>>187862002
thanks cam you may be a complete retard when it comes to game balance but at least you know who best girl is

I CANT DO THIS ANYMORE
>pick iggy
>next guy picks belica goes off
>next guy picks sparrow goes mid
>next guy picks countess does fucking nothing
>next guy picks wukong goes mid and feeds

I want off this ride

>>187860481
Both are a massive turn off in equal measure for me, and that's before we even talk about the jungle.

>>187862002
>>187862454
>/parag/ official lore regarding best girls ignored
These are surely dark times, I even caught one fucker complimenting Phase's appearance.

>>187862868
Just adapt bro.

Bedtime bump. Good night, /parag/.

>>187863860
Adapt to losing and getting my ass fucked I stg

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Why are people rolling with a single Drongo in the safe lane? I've played about 6 matches now as Greystone in the off lane where my opponent was a single Drongo. No support. I'm absolutely feasting on these idiots and yet I keep seeing it.

>>187856842
CAUSE ITS FUCKED NOW

>>187863697
bushmemers will be shot
survivors will be shot again

>>187857608
It's like people can't adapt. They run the same builds as pre-v42, and when they get wrecked they keep running those builds.

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>its another 'support' who doesn't buy wards, does fuck all to support the team and feeds episode

How do I Aurora /parag/? Best cards and Gems I should be using with the ice queen?

>>187865847
Literally impossible to run anything approximating the same builds, chum.

>>187866378
No, it's not. I've seen my fair share of crit Greys.

>>187865369
Because team compositions completely went to trash in general. I don't know what the fuck happened, it's like people forgot that roles even exist, I don't think I had a single well composed team with all basic roles in there and everyone where they should be since 42 dropped.

>>187866045
I just want another "body" in lane that actually stays at least until the T2

can't blame people when we had 6 cards building a ward was nothing. but with 3 you're already fucking most supports they need to build so much and the cards give so little. In this kallari and countess dominate bust shit where they can just de-ward themselves it seems pointless.

EPIC said they are going to fix that shit (knowing them they'll make it worse) but when it gets' to the point you can't deward while in steal maybe we'll see an increase in supports using them until then just grab one yourself if you want vision so bad.

>>187865663
>countess fags still mad af

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>>187858243
>dat mid waterfall/pool thing

remember kallari on that shit? or hidding just in the alcove that lead to it and then jumping down?

I miss her bros, Legacy was GOAT ;_;7

I find it funny shitters and faggots talk shit about legacy

>muh tank meta
yeah now we have Godmother and SacAlc fags that are WAY more unkillable than anything in legacy at least legacy had shield counter cards
>muh long play times
Just had a 48+min v42 match yesterday the old problem stilll persist of most players not knowing when to push and take advantages and playing to defensively when it's not TDM in mid
>muh too big
and most people complain Mono is too small now go figure
>muh travel mode
see above coupled with all the movement speed cards people pop out of nowhere practically instantly never letting you truly isolate anyone at least you could knock people out of travel mode with a fucking AA

Face it, if they brought the map back with all the new shit you do like you'd claim the map was way better. Killing Legacy was EPIC's biggest mistake probably bigger than getting rid of Steve Superville.

>you see that lush jungle canopy? you can go there.

>>187866072
i run red/blue with fireball teleblink and unstable spells. cyro agent or OPD militia are options depending on how you play her.
you can also use black for shadow dancer and ive even run a green/black tank deck, only played it twice but they were both wins. expirement with her she's probably the most fun character in the game and even if you're losing you still get to stare at dat ass.

>>187868240
because they don't, with lock affinities not existing you can do whatever :^) "expand the meta" "adapt" this is why

>>187869327
>yeah now we have Godmother and SacAlc fags that are WAY more unkillable than anything in legacy at least legacy had shield counter cards
holy shit the rose tint. my sparrow deck during the tank meta shittery had more effective HP than anything ever possible since mono dropped. if you people actually think legitimate 2 minute long team fights where Sev's commonly got 2+ ults off during a single skirmish were a good time then you really need to go back to grinding jrpgs

>>187733321
>>187733034
Yuros don't waste time by playing this shit game

>>187869926
when every second you're alive is a countdown to a muslim killing you i can imagine you value your downtime more.

>>187870068
Sure you do buddy ;^)

Why are all the other junglers shit compared to grux?

>>187870965
>sev exists
>khaimera exists

Idk what you're talking about

>>187871613
>khaimera exists
lol

>>187871613
>jumping man of many jumps
>sev post 42

Just tried Smite on the PS4. It's cross play so I wanted to see what the fuss was about
>took me over 3 minutes to find a match
>finally found one, I'm only able to pick from about 10 of the characters
>whatever, pick Guan Yu
>we're in an arena
>camps are off to the side, out in the open
>minions spawn and walk straight into each other at the center of the arena
>it's basically TDM
>animations are choppy and it doesn't "feel" satisfying when I attack
>besides that, it's the same 3-skills-and-an-ult system that Paragon is
>FOV is retarded
>you need to change it in the options to allow your camera to move up and down
>minions do no damage to you
>buffs last 2 minutes
Don't take Paragon for granted, anons.

>>187873295
no waifus either

>>187873295
>>we're in an arena
>>it's basically TDM
That's the arena mode, it is meant to be a TDM.

You can also play the normal Moba mode like in Paragon as well.

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>tfw you already completed your Diamond chest and the last week of this months vault and it resets in a few hours but you just accidentally completed the new daily quests which reset earlier than the vault so now your victory + bonus stars + quest stars are all completely worthless and you will not get a good start on the first week of monthly vault now.

Excess stars not transferring over gives me absolutely no incentive to play the game until I have something to put them toward, otherwise playing a game and happening to complete the quest just makes those stars vanish into the void.

When will this get fixed?

>>187873740

Medusa would like a word with you. Or don't you like monster girls?

>No Reverberate card anymore
>No Scarab Claws anymore
>Sacred Alchemy + lifesteal is the supreme way to go as you lifesteal back up all your health while they chop at your never ending crit-boosted shields.

This is my least favorite meta, and I've lived through them all so far.

>>187874430
Bruh you can easily get the vault in like two or three days who cares.

>>187870068
...lol?
They'll never come to my little slice of Yuropeen heaven, surely.

>>187869615

>Those fucking asscheeks in her new skin

I would pay real American dollars to pump her icy butthole full of cum and then pull it out and make her suck the cumsicle.

>>187874841

Cameron, we're not okay with 27 stars disappearing with absolutely no reward. And stop using Gag Order as a way to justify your shit balancing.

>Mfw Riktor supporting Donger
>Countess offlane
>She runs up to attack, he puts her in the silence gas
>She comes back a bit later and tries to ult and I shock therapy silence her and we wail on her
>Later on when I have Gag Order, she literally doesn't even try to attack us anymore unless she's coming out of her ez-mode stealth ulting and then she just gets shut down mid combo

Almost made playing this cancer meta worth it.

>>187874924
we desperately need more 34 so this can become reality

Is Thunder Cleave the only card with a character-specific attribute boost?
>>187874924
Countess still has a better ass tbhfam

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Ever had a laugh so hard?

>>187878729
>Is Thunder Cleave the only card with a character-specific attribute boost?
u wot m8?

>>187878801
Countess used to require skill before she could turn invisible for ten seconds in a game with heavily restricted vision.

>>187750223
>Kallari head tentacles
>Morigesh dreads
>Narbash braids
>Sparrow's bush braids
>Drongo'shead tentacles
The memes mason, what do they mean?

>>187874559
>>187873740
No, it has decent character art. Some waifu potential there. Neith is qt and so is Bellona, but only in the drawings. In-game they're cheap looking.

>>187870965
Ramp is playable if your team follows up.
>>187871613
nice b8

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>>187745591
It will help to watch streams and other people play.
My best advice is to just find a hero that you like.
Learn their role and how they play.
I'd argue that this doesn't matter too much but learn which heroes counters you. This may sound a bit advanced but you're a big goy.
Lastly my best advice is to find a hero that you like for every role since you may not get your preferred role each time.
As for shitters, feeders and throwers just remember that it's not worth getting upset over trash who like to waste people's time

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Explain this shit

>>187862002
This is almost too well done

>>187887969
What am I looking at?

>>187888385
Same hero level but different mastery rank

>>187887969
you have to level up iggy and scorch separately

>tell a guy he plays like a coward
>brags about his elo
>check Agora
>profile set to private
What a
PUSSY
U
S
S
YSSUP

>/parag/ now has Serath, Countess and Shinbi sfm on the way
GLORY BE
WE NOT DED YET
TIS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG LADS

>>187888517
Each rank has 10 levels senpai

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>>187889283
but where is best girl

>>187890209
Hopefully Soon™

>>187890348
it probably wouldnt be character accurate anyway

pregame bump

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Fucking twice now I've gotten stuck with spoiled brats that sperg out and afk at spawn when things start to turn south.
>pick Le Meme Musical Ogre as support
>literally in the draft screen Wukong and Gideon are arguing over who goes in off lane
>match starts and they both go to off lane
>spamming Retreat! and Defend Right Lane! to each other
>I'm literally by myself in safe lane against a Grux
>Wukong eventually comes over to my lane
>doesn't listen when I say to retreat, doesn't see the map pinging to indicate Khaimera is coming
>dies
>leaves and goes back to left lane
>Gideon dies
>Gideon stays at spawn, typing insults at all of us
>we (obviously) lose
I was holding my own against that Grux, too, which is pathetic.

Next match
>stuck with that same Wukong
>he instalocks off lane
>pick Serath to jungle
>I picked second
>guy that picks fourth picks Kwang, says he refuses to be in lanes
>dude, what the fuck?
>get stuck supporting Drongo as Serath
>actually doing pretty well
>Drongo dies
>stays at spawn shooting the ground the entire match
What the fuck is going on?

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>>187874000
>normal Moba mode like in Paragon

>>187880106
It grants a boost to Cleave. Greystone is the only one with a move named Cleave.

>>187896363
this is a joke right?

gimme belica tips besides fireball

>>187897981
hit her stun and enjoy your free kill.
>>187895737
wow silver sounds even more magical now then when i first started playing

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>mfw i won one of iggy's legendary skins from a crate and have been abusing him ever since
nice nerfs to tone this little niglet down cam hes completely fair and balanced now

>>187895737
Add me Josedag19 I'm on console but living the same hell as you. I don't really know how to properly support in v42 but I'm a good off laner and jungler most of the times

>>187898157
>hit her stun and enjoy your free kill.
bro i guess i suck but it just hasnt been that easy

>>187899327
me again, like as a diff caster you can just peg people with long range high damage nukes but belica doesnt really do that

>>187899635
she has no poke just nuke people with the combo

>>187896363
You telling me you've never encountered a game where the splash damage from melee attacks are called "cleave damage"?

>>187900295
ok yeah i just had a really good game as her so im starting to see how it works. fireball definitely helps.

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creeping death belica. could it work?

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It hurts so goddamn much to play this game sometimes.

>Iggy and morigesh can't hold their lanes
>Phase forgets how to link after 20 minutes
>Sevarog spends all game farming jungle camps

I play carry to try and climb to an ELO that isnt majority people with severe learning disorders but some teams are just uncarriable. I really want to uninstall until ranked comes out because having to 1v9 every match is seriously unhealthy.

>>187895737
There's a sizable number of the player base I sincerely hope attempts suicide

>>187898462
Not the same person but I've gone from hitting everything all the time to having fairly shitty hit/miss ratio after v42. I suspect it's the difference in movement speed that fucks me up.

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>Rev goes offlane instead of safelane
>Phase by herself actually kills Kallari and holds her lane longer than offlane does
>Aurora tries in vain to get Revenant to go right
>He doesn't. Instead, he dies within 2 minutes from a chain and bang by the enemy safelane
>Continues to feed all round.

It was a wild ride, but we won thanks to Gideon, Phase, and myself as Rampage. Aurora tried but she was gimped from the start by Revenant doing stupid shit in her lane so she didn't get an XP advantage and couldn't even get last hits because he was constantly shifting minions around by diving in on Riktor and Murdock when they were at full health.

This is truly HELL.

>>187902601
>I play carry to try and climb to an ELO that isnt majority people with severe learning disorders
doesn't exist. if thats what your reason for tryharding is stop and start playing for fun

>>187904667
People have this idea that people stop being retarded at higher ELO's, that your team stop making stupid mistakes once they're at 1600 or something.

>>187904246
At least show us his name so we could avoid him in the future

>>187904924
yep i just lost my last 2 matches at elo cap because in the first our jungler spent 31 of the 32 minutes in the match farming and complaining that "no one is wounded i can't gank" and then the next because my dipshit team all died for a fucking t2 when we were defending a prime push 28 minutes into the game. no matter how high you go you get literally retarded shitters

Riktor against me
>Infinite range chain
>Professional accuracy
>Has a degree in physics and geometry

Me as Riktor
>3 ft chain length
>Miss all importan pulls
>Land pulls when nobody else can capitalize on it

I'm afraid of enemy Riktor. How do I become that fear? Deck and gameplay advice appreciated.

>>187907368
hit the hook, it is really that simple

>>187907478

Fascinating.

I think this is a case of some have it, some don't. The hook costs so much mana at such a high cooldown, with good reason, but I get very little time to practice it as a result

>>187858243
>See old map in all the promotional materials
>Play the game
>lol jk here's a scaled down version.
Any plans to bring up the old map. Maybe if we complain enough they'd make it an option.

4 game losing streak with some of the dumbest fucking teams ive ever had in my year+ of playing time to head to bed and look forward to the dank cam memes in tomorrows community corner that will make me want to kill myself even more.

>>187908714
If the complains after its initial removal haven't done anything, they surely won't now, unfortunately. I'm afraid our only hope is to wait until Paragon becomes popular enough and it won'tfor player created game modes to exist like on dota or until someone manages to make a private server somehow

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>>187907842
idk if this may help but I noticed that the instant I take my eyes off of riktor, I get chained, and EVEN IF I manage to look away and then back at him, it's already too late.
The times I have been pulled by Rikto have gone like this:
>Riktor raises chain, lets me know it's there
>enemy teammate creates diversion
>Riktor dives in
>teamfight, everyone damaged
>Riktor pulls a straggler or anyone low health/ squishy
>They ded
That and predictable strafing
Imagine it's like you're sniping someone in a FPS, lead your shot/hook
Most of the time you won't land it if they're expecting it

>Enemy pick Riktor offlane
>I'm a midlaner
>Haha funny guy I know what you're trying to pull
>Pun intended
>Our right lane literally can't stop feeding him
>No one can gank him because all he do is stand under the tower and hook people without even needing the million HP he have
>Over and over again
Fuck everything

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>>187869909
I love when people blatantly lie in situations like this

avg hp in mono even for carries was 1900-2000 which is only 300-400 more hp than avg now

Tanks could build up to about 3000 and casters to 1700-1900

a full VIT Godmother (pre nerf) gave 4000 hp which i 1000 hp more that what was even possible on Legacy considering limited cards and economy and nothing that let you continue to scale as the match went on.

As a legacy player i'm not going to try to deny tank meta, like a neo nazi would the holocost but I sure as hell know hyperbole when I see and will call that shit out you fucking ADD brawler cod kid v42 dick sucker.

>>187873295
Multiplayer
Online
>Battle
>Arena

No shit Sherlock.

>You can now get loot crates out of monthly vaults
Fucking finally, I have like 10 unused keys

Anyone wants to play right now? I'm tired of utter shitters v.42 brought along. I'm not the best player myself, but for fucks sake at least I know how a team comp should look like.

>>187916327
You could get them before, and without the drop being polluted with cards and chests. Admittedly, rep was just as useless, but at least chests pre-42 could give you coins and skins.

>>187917368
Could you? I could have sworn there were only keys in monthly vaults before

>>187888975
Lilmanjoon?

>>187846956
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed how tall shinbi is. Even without her high heels she towers over most characters on the game even Kwang.

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>>187918674
>shinbi was a lanky, tall and nerdy girl who, inher village was often bullied and made fun of until she went to omeda with phase, became famous and is now able to fuck anyone she wants while intimidating/arousing manlets and womanlets alike
I approve of this highly

>>187917928
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I remembered getting a crate in the first couple of vaults.

>>187918368
No his name was ytrehguodleinad

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>>187921198
For a Western dev, Epic did a good job of making qts. I like to credit Overwatch with finally breaking through and allowing the flood of Western devs to finally realize how to make babes because THIS isn't one of them.

All right, I have to admit it, playing a well built Zinx is fucking hilarious, I've just 1vs1ed a Shinbi who started at full health and she didn't manage to even slightly damage me despite hitting me all the time. And I didn't even buy withering shadow yet.

>>187924059
I love tanking "carries" as Zinx, but from a lore perspective it seems dumb that she has more HP and defense than Greystone

So are they actually changing the extra jewy new mastery system, or did they just say they would and are waiting for everyone to forget about it? If yes, do we know how will they change it and when can we expect that?

>>187924059
What a shit shinbi.
Mellenk Gnasher and plage lord should rape every zinx

>>187924526
made the first few levels cheaper and then it scales back up to maximum jew.

>>187924059
Sounds like a garbage shinbi.
Still get baffled when I see build knowledge on her.

>>187924701
Yeah, the system's still aeful, but at least it's not screwing new players sans lube anymore.

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>people that brag about their ELO while using a deck ripped straight from Agora

Keep her bumped lads, Community Corner soon.
They'll say nothing of substance, but that dork Mooney will wear a fucking ironic turtleneck or some shit and the twats in the comments section will cream themselves

>>187928312
To be fair, deck progression is pretty obvious based on affinity: there are only so many "good" cards you're likely to see, even across certain roles

>>187928454
Cards? Sure. Gems in addition to cards? That's blatant copying.

>>187928350
Are you ready for them to say Iggy nerfs and Wraith buffs brought them in line with the rest of the cast? Or is this week the blame us for being shit players who can't counter OP zinx with triple ADC week?

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Well done, Countess, well done...

HOWEVER

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>>187928614
You are fucking retarded. There are very few viable builds right now. It isn't fucking rocket science to know what gems are good and which are trash and just throwing them in to fit your card atts. Gold isn't high elo either, ya shitter

>>187928614
Ah, fair enough. I will say that I did gravitate to the same gems a lot of the time, but not always, so there's a bit more diversity there.

>>187928637
Why can't it be both? Those adjustments to Iggy and Wraith were honestly pathetic, but I think Wraith could still work well as part of a premade.

so it's my first MOBA and i don't understand shit
> Play gadget
> Go to the right path
> Basically wait at my second tower, two enemy are infront, i just try to last hit the minions and i poke them too with my flying bombs
> Only try to destroy tower when my ally is with me
> i just do that and we win
seems like quite the defensive game, i didn't try to engage anyone or chase because i've saw some video and deducted that it's too dangerous and never worth it. Otherwise yeah i didn't have much actions.. i don't know wtf my ally were doing, had two person in the middle path, i think it was phase and a belica? the link is phase, and had another at the left path that always tried to take the enemy tower alone.

it's nice and chill desu, but holy shit it get MESSY during teamfight like a mess of particle and i just don't wtf is happening
that red robot guy that can charge and put wall is INSANELY powerful, wtf is his damn stun? It last so long and i'm sure to die, and even tho i hit him a ton, he took no damage at all.

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>>187928818
I wonder why they changed the art for Black Ice Routine? Can we expect the hero they're based off to be coming soon?

>>187928614
>>187928312
i do that because i'm lazy and i just don't understand the deck system so i just slap on the most populars one of the day, follow the instruction in game early/mid/late and have fun with it
what's the problem with doing that?

>>187929213
>Phase Belica mid
Weird.
The game's a lot faster than it's ever been right now, so those teamfights are something you really need to throw yourself into, and Gadget's a hero that can do massive chunks of damage if built with power. Generally, casters like Gadget and Belica go mid, and ADC's (Murdock, Sparrow, Drongo) take right side with a support.
Keep doing what you're doing with defensive play, but don't be afraid to get your hands dirty from time to time, either.

>>187929213
Try checking the map, roles and tips sections in thread's FAQ, it's still not updated for the recent changes, but these sections should still be accurate.

>>187928878
>jumping into a conversation just to make yourself look retarded

>>187928878
There are 15 gem slots and about 125 cards. The odds of them picking, by themselves, the exact same cards and gems as what's recommended are extremely slim. So as >>187929638 said, you're a retard

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>>187929638
>>187929952
This isn't a how many outfits can sally make fourth grade fucking math problem math problem. If you can't look and see 90% of those cards and gems are terrible then you aren't at an ELO you could be bragging about, which was the whole premise of the conversation. You aren't netdecking if you are playing Atomic/Sleeper/Tham on a Mid caster. That's just called not being a fucking idiot. The gems you would take for that are also obvious as shit.

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>>187930765
Then explain why most decks encourage using Executioner's Dash when Nitroboost is objectively better?

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>>187930858
Because Executioner's Dash is hilarious.

Muriel is fun

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>>187930858
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>187931240
You:
>only certain cards are good
Me:
>this card is better than the card "top" players say
You:
>I'm a huge faggot
Me:
>I know

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this can't be legal

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>>187931572
nice, fey is my waifu
fey is more mommy than Serath

>>187931919
Fey scares me because someone made a remark before about her being androgynous.

>>187932304
> No adam apple
> Small feet
> No square shoulders
> Explicitly said as a female by EpicGame and considered as a mother nature
it's okay anon, it's not a trap. I am an expert in trapology, trust me.

>>187931919
Fey is definitely top 3 for me
right up there with Aurora and Countess
>>187932304
That only makes it better