Roguelike General /rlg/

tummy lol

A quality post in a quality general for a quality genre.

Roguelikes do not exist. This is all a dream.
Wake up.

Remember, if any of the following is true, you are playing a rogueLITE:
-no permadeath
-has graphics
-it's fun

>>187617729
Dreams are roguelites
-no permadeath
-graphics
-fun

>>187618163
I had a dream about roguelikes last night.

>>187618402
I had a dream about (you) last night.

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>>187618045

Wow! So my sister is a roguelite!

Why is Tome4 the best roguelike?

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>>187619560
dont necromancy youre sister

>>187619743
Because you have bad taste

>>187619560
>no permadeath
I have some bad news for you anon.

>>187619924
>no immortal sister
Why even live forever?

I can't seem to get the 32bit builds (18.2) of IA or the builds I compile (master) from git to run. They just segfault and I have very little leads on why. I tried diagnosing it with strace and it seems to fail accessing a few files related to ALSA, but as ALSA works fine for every other program, I kind of feel it's not the main issue. And as far as I know, I have all dependencies met too.
Finally, I've had IA working on two other 32bit linux machines (currently on gentoo), so I know it can work, somehow.

I'll see if I can post some more info when I get back to my computer later. If anyone can help I would be grateful.

>>187622702
ok let me just install gentoo to test it out, shouldn't take long

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best girl

>>187624307
is this the new tummy slash?

>>187624307
Boring

I don't understand... biskup makes a game for fun that influences thousands of people, and then puts it on hiatus for a while to focus on his career (you know, the aspect of his life that actually makes money). Then, after having spent enough time to become successful (I assume), he decides to revive the old free video game of a relatively tiny genre with the idea that he can make it more modern.
To do so, he hires a full development team that he pays out of the indiegogo and his own pocket (steam is a relatively recent venture), and begins to churn out content... eventually peaking with 1.2.0. We are due for another content update, that's true, but looking at the blogs it's seemingly just around the corner.
He does all of this, and yet you say he's not passionate? Why do you think he did it then?

>>187623010
Alright, that's the spirit. It'll should only take two hours tops if you're good.

>>187625020
Nice b8, I r8 it 6/10

>>187625020
>you say
Who?

I think Biskup is passionate, but also a bit of an autistic tool with an overinflated opinion of his own game. The kind of guy who'd leave a crash bug in character generation for eight years, and then offer to let people see the source code, in print, if they pay him a thousand bucks and sign a NDA.

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>>187626648
>defending Biskup

I'm planning to try installing bionics for the first time in CDDA and I have a couple of power storage bionics and a few different bionics that I'd like to use. However I only have a internal furnace for power generation. Is it worth using or should I keep looking for another alternative? Sticking a fucking wood stove in my gut doesn't seem very safe/reliable.

>>187628000
>Sticking a fucking wood stove in my gut doesn't seem very safe/reliable.
It is stupidly good for instant power as long as you carry a bunch of planks in your backpack.
It can be a bit tedious, but it's the cheapest power bionic that isn't solar.

>>187628184
Ok that's nice. So there's no chance that I'll burst into flames while using it or anything?

>>187628359
Nah, it's all safe.
The worst thing that can happen is you accidentally eating your +++accurized Rivtech dildo launcher because you misclicked.

>>187628560
Neat. And the more I think about it, the more the idea of a cyborg with a wood stove for a belly grows on me.

Fuck these ungrateful nigger faggots. I wish I could stay at home all day, be a NEET and play roguelikes until my eyes bleed. Being a wagecuck is lame.

>>187628560
Also you can OD on painkillers while installing it.

>>187630127
Not if you play uncucked builds

shit genre for grognard autists that deserves to die
fuck all of you for tricking me into trying to have fun for 2 years

>>187630127
R E A L A U T I S M

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>>187630292
Just git gud m8

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>play Og
>shit race
>ragequit
>play Dr
>Find Og dream weapon

Reee

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>for once doing well, getting close to the Minotaur.
This is the first time I ever accidentally zapped a unidentified summon creature wand and something good happened, usually it's a mouse or a hostile super mob.

>have a terrible old laptop
>get a better Mac for free
>suddenly can't play a good few roguelikes
>basically the only genre I regularly played
Self-cucked.

>>187631379
The good ones generally support macs

>>187631379
I'm not good with the computers but can't you install wine to circumvent that?

>>187631071
Ogres are good anon, you get reasonably good casting apts, +30% hp, ruks and a 20 damage weapon for measly 18 skill.

>>187631484
>imblying

>>187631827
Probably, but I am exceptionally bad at computers.

>>187630105
The only people here who claim to be NEETs are living with their parents. They are either kids who are not old enough to move and 30 year olds who are too mentally challenged.

>>187631968
For a set of all roguelikes X, the following conditions are true:
Every x in set X: x is not good OR x has a mac version

Disprove this
SPOILERS: You can't

>>187631379
What roguelikes did you want to play? I'm sure most major ones can be compiled for OSX.

>>187632526
You are a massive faggot.

Disprove this.
You can't

>>187633168
Well he uses Mac so that's pretty obvious

>>187632526
all good roguelikes have linux versions
for anything with a linux version, it is easy as fuck to cross-compile for OSX

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>tfw very sharp tail

>>187633168
I can disprove this.
I am not massive, thus I am not a massive faggot.

I can also disprove the faggot part separately:
I only fap to futa and traps, meaning I am 100% straight.

>>187633951
Stop putting weird things in your mouth

Are gods other than Lulwy good in elona+? A 150 speed boost right off the bat with nearly no drawbacks seems too strong.

>>187634685
Trog

>>187634132
But veganism is soooo hard!
Where do they get their proteins?

>>187635126
Vine Stalkers. They're as healthy and nutritious as they are rare.

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>>187635126
mostly they go for 100% natural home-grown sources

>>187632526
>SPOILERS: Yes, but I can't be fucked

>>187636193
I'm not talking about devirginizing you, but about mathematical proof of existence of good roguelikes not available on macs.

>>187626648
>Who?
He's literally quoting reddit posts.

>>187632526
there were some unneccessary bits in your post, i've narrowed it down to be more efficient and elegant:

>For a set of all roguelikes X, the following condition is true:
>Every x in set X: x is not good

c/d antimagic should do extra damage to elementals/magical summons

>>187637136
>go antimagic
>can't wear any of the good gear
>get a shitty shield that you can't even keep up and doesn't help against spellcaster burst damage
>mana clash doesn't even do enough damage to justify boosting it
What's the point?

>>187637297
mana clash exists for rares/elites to fuck YOU over with, since you have like 10% as much mana as most high-level enemies

especially if you play a vim class so you can't even rest to regenerate back what you lost lmao

In C:DDA, .270 ammunition says that you can use it in some .30-06 guns.
In real life you can do that, but the bullet is much smaller and using it will
basically lead to a very low powered and extremely inaccurate projectile.

However it seems that there are no penalties like that in C:DDA and no native .270 guns for that matter, and it's just a different flavour for .30-06 ammo. Is this right? Are you meant to use them in .30-06 guns?

>>187638217
You are supposed to melt the bullets and forge a katana with the metal

>>187634685
power doesn't matter in elona, efficiency does

you can always grind for more power, but you can't grind for more playing time

>>187638394
Can you kill a zombie hulk and 3 regular zombies in a single round with a full auto katana?

>>187638570
If you are dual wielding katanas you can kill three hulks and two jabberwocks in a single turn

>>187639517
but can you tip your fedora head armor afterwards?

>>187619743
because the classes are fun and the lore is immersive

>>187639517
How do you even dualwield

>>187637297
Unlocking Fungus after defeating Tempest Peak

Though I agree that mana clash is a flavor fail

>>187640591
Yeah but Fungus is pretty shit since you still get 1shotted and you aren't really going to do tempest peak before the hardest parts of the game (daikara and old forest). Fuck AM.

Does anyone have a link to Dragonball T?

>>187640728
Old forest is easy tho. Daikara is a decent challange, but they dont hold a candle to Dark Crypt and Temporal Rift

>>187640982
>old forest is easy
The ultimate shitter filter. Play the difficulty the game is designed around sweetie :)

>>187641860
normal adventure?

>>187641860
How would you describe the forest as difficult?

Daikara bursts you long range with lightning and knocks you around with stones, so that makes sense

Sandwyrm lair is harder than the forest, desu

>>187642770
swarms have 200% global speed

>>187640728
?
Literally nothing in Tome 4 will one shot you

>>187643434
hello i was playing a yeek archmage on normal adventure and i got one-turn-killed through part of a damage shield several times by various melee elites/rares
multiple lives though lmao

i havent played since i beat dredfell on that character, maybe i should continue it

>>187643846
first of all
>yeek
secondly
did you look at damage logs because you can get stunned or otherwise disabled, then hit multiple times in "one turn"
Thats how you usually die

>>187643970
i did look at damage logs
i think one of them was some kinda reaver guy in the waifu crypt
i also recall fighting an archer elite with the sniper tree and getting hit with a smokebomb for ~90% of my maxhp, but i had disruption shield up so i actually took 0 damage

>>187643434
you get one shotted if you don't take precautions

see this guy
>>187643846
>yeek

Is there a reason pcb mimic defaults to max points in chr?

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*pulls out the red D*

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>>187645051
looks like you dropped your D buddy. is this it?

>>187645009
is chr their casting stat?
because that's probably why

>>187645051
What's his endgame?

>>187645794
He hasn't started working on it yet.

>>187643434
t. never been flurried by an arcane blade

>>187643195
midge swarms are a joke tho. Half the time I cant even see them without hitting Look and they still dont mater

>>187646192
non-elite enemies are all nonthreatening chaff, yes
but higher difficulties can lead to elite midge swarms blowing you up with corruptor or archer spells or some shit

>>187646192
>midge swarms are a joke tho
Anything can be a randboss, anon.

now I've got to try TOME because you fagits spam it here all the time. fu

I tried tangledeep and it's really bad

>>187647440
Remember to pirate it desu

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>>187648541
https://te4.org/download
free game

>>187648832
the dlc is not free
nor donator only stuff
gotta pirate it
also you can unlock everything with just copy pasting shit into a text file

>>187648832
>free game
>DG obnoxiously jewing you every 10 minutes to buy it

>>187648832
the dlc is worth the pirate tho.

I just encountered my first ever Lua error in tome.
Somehow my 30th level possessor, taking the form of a purple slime steambutcher, while dueling the grand corrupter in the mark of the spellblaze, decided to strike my foe an infinite number of times the turn after they both escaped the fearscape.

>>187649060
Its far more rewarding to unlock everything manually

>>187649878
maybe if you are autistic

>>187650034
that's a given if you're playing tome

>>187650034
>>187650864
that's given if you're playing roguelikes

>>187650864
i'm not

>>187650034
t. gameshark buyer

was getting mewtwo too hard for you in melee?

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Happy Resurrection Day anons! Make sure to play ADOM today for your free ultra wins that you were never good enough to get :)

When was the last time the OP post got any TLC?

>>187655175
i thing "poschengband" has been typoed to "postchengband" for several weeks

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>when you discover you can't stairdance the warg quest in 7.0
Guess you're supposed to turn on giant boring levels for this quest now.

>>187656742
that change has been in since at least version 6, actually
although in 7 you CAN leave the random quests in Angband without failing them
that image is pretty gay anon

>When you finally unlock the 4th necromancer lore


hnnnngghhhh

What a noble sacrifice!

Trying to make a stealth rogue work in ToME is suffering and the RNG is so unreliable any experience anons or advice

>>187662492
Don't
Stealth is bad

>>187662809
Yeah it seems that way i did get pretty far with a poison build with sludge grip gloves and a nice prhect 2 attack dagger

>>187663092
You cant plan around items but getting the one that fits for your class feels really good. Im gonna miss my Crown of Chaos and it's meteor talent when this run is over. Knocking out terrian with meteors is megafun

>>187662492
I actually tried cheating/modding the game and massively boosted Stealth effectiveness, to something like 150-200 values.
All the ranged NPCs and casters still sniped me from max range, though they occasionally missed. Melees has no problem immediately coming for me, though they had a hard time hitting me they kept attacking. In the end Stealth is really only useful to give a small chance of attacks missing you, and to boost those abilities that give a bonus when used from stealth.

This game probably has the worst stealth implementation I've ever seen.

>>187662492
Stealth is shit, you aren't really meant to skill into it as your main thing. Throw a couple points in for the guarenteed crits and crit multiplier boost midgame though.

>>187664729
spells from stealth are guaranteed crits though so although it's pretty useless for the classes that get it, it's neat for gimmick adventurer nonsense

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I hope whoever decided to make monsters look identical to items chokes on a smelly gorilla penis.

>>187656967
ASS

>>187665457
you can change it in a config file if you want

>>187656742
just imagine doing this as a sub-optimal class like mindflayer blue mage or something, good God

>>187665787
TO

>>187665457
>he doesnt have a monster list window

>>187665927
It's really weird that nobody has beaten blue mage, they have some of the best summoning spells in the game.

>>187668089
It's been removed.

>>187668089
it's getting there that's the hard part, plus tanking ouchie spells with mage hp is a cruel proposition

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>>187669145
The Devil's Dev strikes again!

>>187669198
you can get access to some pretty good damage spells just by finding hounds to bully 1v1
breath spells scale with your hp though so picking a relatively tanky race like titan/hadesdemigod/ent is even more important than usual

To what degree does the weight of the weapon affect the two handed bonus in Elona+? I thought it made no difference so i always used a 4 s adamantium katana.

>>187669424
Wait is this real or the just making fun of Crawl? I loved imitator, Skilled in all weapons and you could do crazy damage breathe spells.

>>187670867
it affects critical hits somehow, either chance or damage
everyone in /jp/elona is using 370 pound spears, which is apparently the cap?

though note that weapons count towards your total equipment weight to determine whether you're in heavy/light/medium armor, so if you use something like that you're stuck with the -20% cast chance penalty

I bought One Way Heroics and the Plus expansion. Am I suppose to play the base game first or just go ahead and play Plus?

>>187671569
Just play plus, it's all the same stuff plus more and better balanced a bit.

>>187671569

I recommend playing Mystery Chronicles OWH instead.

>>187634685

Opatos, Kumiromi, Yacatect

>>187669424
why would you remove the most patrician class?

>>187613995
>ENTER THE DARK CRYPT OF THE SUPER NUCLEAR AXIOM of Tales GUNGEON AMPLIFIED PREPARE TO DEAD EDITION
I don't understand.

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Got the OP midgame form (and like every other hound in the process).

The 7.0 mimic UI seems pretty buggy though, since you can't view your melee damage if you are a form without a weapon or see your spell failure rates.

>>187673370
This is where we talk about good roguelikes like enter the gungeon and nuclear throne

What is that "Tales of" from the OP anyway? Is that Tales of Androgyny?

>>187676439
From ToME.

>>187675448
gungeon sucks mad wang

>>187676439
ToME is better than a million atomic blowjobs you should try it

>not playing adom on free aols day

END is the avoid stat in IVAN because it makes the game harder just like how killing enemies in Cogmind does the same, correct? Which is why you never want to train END (by walking around burdened)?

>>187681376
Walking around burdened trains your leg strength, so you want to do that sometime.
To avoid training END, you want to avoid running unless needed.

Still, some END is useful not to be one-shot by things. Especially if you have any scars on torso, head or groin. You can win the game without getting dorf exploders, but it's risky, especially around the screaming what'shisname.

>>187682967
got dorf explodered a second ago and my limbs got blown off while polymorphed. what a lot of fun. Should have known dorfs were fucking niggers

>>187683072
Often it's not the explosion that kills you, it's the wands in your inventory breaking.

>>187683197
that explains it. and the mustard gas too. should have stashed the grenades

>>187682967
>the screaming motherfucker
Jesus christ I hate that guy
>nice gear you got there
>it'd be a shame if anything happened to it
>and don't think you can bring any potions for when your arm gets blasted off, either

>>187673152
probably rewrote monster spell code and couldn't be bothered fixing the two player classes that used it

How am I supposed to start off a shieldmaster in PCB? I expected I could hit things with the shield, but the game keeps telling me I have no melee attacks. No activatables, powers, spell-like abilities, or retaliation either.

>>187676439
that looks like notaroguelike to me
however trap quest is probably fine in this general

>>187684937
Go buy a dagger or something from the store. You can start shield bashing at level 10.

>>187684704
you can pour potions into cans in adom can't you?
only glass bottles break

>>187684937
buy a weapon from the store in town because you start without one lmao
you don't get the ability to use shields as weapons until level 10

>>187685127
>>187685142
In my defence, I'm tired as fuck and the obvious solution did not occur to me. Thanks, chums.

>>187685307
also in your defense it's a very stupid mistake from the dev

Is Rogue a roguelike?

>>187680236
Good taste. Gungeon is fucking awful

>>187689816
No

>>187689816
Maybe

>die in lair 6
JUST

>>187690295
>>187680236
shit taste
why does /rlg/ hate any roguelite or like that requires you not to be a shitter to play?

>>187693846
It's just not fun. NT is plenty of fun. It's not about being a shitter because, as a shitter, I am shitty at everything until I put way too much time into it. I'm equally shitty at everything to start with so I judge the game based on how good it actually is.
If I was averse to challenge I wouldn't play RL at all. I'm fine with getting my shit stomped over and over in a good game but boring games are just that.
>or like
Name some shitter roguelikes and we'll see if I play them

I wanna try something new, what are the big differences between ToME and ADOM?

muh dick

>>187694426
tome is good and adom is biscuts

>>187694426
one's made by a gook and the other one is made by ubermensch Thomas Biskup

>>187694426
Tome plays more like an MMO while ADOM is more of a classical roguelike.

>>187694627
Fuck you biskup, you have no cock. 1v1 me at oafmatch, faggot. Just wait until i implement my new pvp feature, I will get all the gook money and everyone will trade my tomecoins until I ascend to lamboland

>>187694426
ToME's combat is shit because you fight a billion enemies with a billion hp each and you just hit your 13 ability buttons in sequence each time, ADoM's combat is shit because nothing is ever a threat unless you're unspoiled.

>>187694991
>>187694627
dumb roleplaying samefag

>>187694627
>>187694991
faggot

Would you like someone if you would see him play DCSS on his Macbook on the train?

>>187698741
>liking macfags

>>187698741

N-no I do not like you.

>>187698741
Only if he's cute.

>clear out to d 15 orc and lair and no poison restiance
>mutations dont give me it
reeee

>>187699430
Just do swamp or shoals first

>>187700207
Can you instadie when you are confused near deep water in swamp?

>>187699430
You can go up to elf:2 if you think your strong enough, maybe you get some loot or shops there

>>187701553
Not since 0.16 or so.

>>187701553

You can't instadie.

>>187699430
rPois is for pussies. What are you, a bee who need protection from poison?

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>>187702205
:^)

Is there a way to get elona+ dev branch in perfect english or do I have to use stable?

>>187631379
Partition a part of your harddrive

>>187703103
install gentoo

>>187689816
Definitely

Problem in Elona+ 1.70 where map loading fails upon trying to leave starting home

>>187702512
Fat bee. Easy to hit with my blowgun

In DCSS, is the damage difference between throwing and for example bows or slings very big? Is it worth to take one of the ranged weapons instead of just throwing as a melee, considering they cost extra inventory slots.

>>187705639
Bows get pretty significant, crossbows moreso. Throwing is generally so-so unless you're a troll or ogre.

>>187705757
And do pros generally do this or is the xp better invested in your melee or defensive skills and just outmaneuver the ranged enemies?

>>187706246
>roguelike pros

>>187706246
(((pros)))

>>187706246

There are throwing nets to help you wreck problematic features like Ereshkigal, Gloorx and Lom Lobon.

>>187705757
but I guess bows are better since mindelay is reached faster

>>187708890
I'm a pleb I have never heard of these enemies I'm just looking for a strategy to stop dying in shoals all the time
But I heard too that throwing nets are op though I don't understand why. When you have to use them you are almost dead anyway

>>187709075
throwing nets are like hexes but not shit

>>187711647
blowgun with para darts is better imo

You fail the alchemy check.
(You miss something.)
*** A BROKEN BACK RENDERS YOU GRACELESS! ***

why do I even play this game also when is the next version coming out

>>187628184
Charging from just walking around too expensive for you?

b

>>187718390
u

>>187718439
t

>>187719042
t

>>187719265
We did it Reddit XD

>>187719373
but the only person being like that here is you

>>187711647
how high do you have to train throwing for throwing nets to fucking hit once in a blue moon

>>187698741
shit taste is not a positive personality trait
also im too autistic to bother peering over other people's shoulders on the train to see their screens
i'd just be reading a book in the corner or some shit

>>187702758
>in perfect english
no
the elona+custom adds more english translation but there's still untranslated stuff (e.g. the adventurer seminar), and anything new that gets added will start off only in japanese

>>187713994
not expensive but slow as fuck
with internal furnace you can charge up 3000 energy units in like 4 keypresses just by chopping down + eating a tree

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Seems like disruption and fortress are the best options here by a long shot.
Anyone have any experience using them?

>>187729197
disruption stops enemies from even casting spells (~70% chance or something), so clearly it is extremely strong
it can also block them from casting dispel or antimagic, which duplicates fortress's job

fortress is less defensive but also gives a spellpower boost, though it looks like you are doing a melee build so that's not gonna be too appealing for you

mindspring is fun if you're going full-mage psion -- combine with clarity and you get infinite mana means to spam psistorm, dimension door, or fully heal yourself every turn

and foresight is kinda pointless
it dodges damage but does nothing about dangerous non-damaging spells like summons, so i'm not sure why you'd pick it over disruption
although it does have the advantage of still working vs breaths and rockets

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>>187729757
>>187729991
I went with disruption and it seems pretty slick.

How do I into octopede?
Spriggans are easy when you play sneaky stabby but the octopi ain't easy

>>187733334
They have good aptitudes in almost anything, so I imagine a hunter or caster should work well, especially when you can kite enemies in deep water (fedhas as the god)

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W-wew.

Sil kind of sucks when you run out of light sources.

buy my game you dickless orc breeding offal

>>187734108
as a non angband player I have no idea what is going on there. I can't even spot '@'

>>187734278
@ is covered up by the item I am looking at, it would be right above those 3 yellow spots of wall though.

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ascii is very orderly

>>187734239
please not in this general. Next day you show up in front of my house, I think I won't be able to resist anymore then

46 unique ips. Aren't we usually double of that? Is it time to say goodbye?

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That was pretty easy.
Almost died once when I went to 300 HP by not noticing I was under threshold near the end though.

>>187741687
By the end of a thread we are usually double that, yes.

>>187742375
that's because in four days people get new IPs because they restart their routers after getting banned from shitposting or posting from somewhere else.
I say the actual number of /rlg/ posters has always been around 40.

>>187739412
BUY MY GAME! PAY TRIBUTE TO THE ROGUELIKE OF PATRICIANS, TOME!

>>187741775
Race/class?

>>187743160
Psion Balrog
Dump: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=21017

I wouldn't call dark souls or Axiom verge roguelikes, they're Metroidvania games.

>>187742539
I don't get banned but I usually have about 3 ips I post from. (Home, work, phone)

>>187743431
wow you have really nice dumps at angband. I might try the game just for that

>>187743015
>falseflagging this hard

>>187744151
YOU MAD NEWFAG? SUBMIT TO THE MANY ORCISH PRIDES AT MY COMMAND

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/21749
More fun incoming! This time: reload times increased heavily unless you carry another (trivial to acquire, tedious to reload) type of magazine.

>>187744151
i don't know if advanced troll or retard

>>187744667
more fodder for cool days ahead

>>187743887
PosCheng has the fancy colored html dumps.
I think vanilla Ang still just uses .txt files

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I'm a coleric flying minotaur who hovers over the ocean and slaughters Mermaids

How fucking awesome is that

In Crawl how do you read the label of a scroll you already know the identity of?

>>187745479
>MiBe
ugh

>>187745697
You can list all items you've identified. It was either '\' or '/'.

>>187744274
I'm going to make a legit point about tome and say that the orc prides are awful shiteasy garbage that goes on for about 10 more floors than it should and even the randbosses are popcorn. What the fuck was he thinking?

>>187745697
What do you mean, anon?

>>187745804
Its \, its easy to remember if youre european since its altgr q

>>187745804
>>187746025
Yeah, but how do you find the label of a scroll you've identified? Like WUAMOTHR UROUTH or WEOZXO CESY. Pressing \ just lists the names of identified scrolls, like Scroll of Blink or Scroll of Remove Curse, not the magic words on them.
I made a note of an inaccessible scroll labeled WUAMOTHR UROUTH on a previous level. If one of the scrolls i've identified has that label, I'll know what that inaccessible scroll was and whether it's worth going back and using two Blink scrolls to retrieve. Probably not, I suppose.

>>187746487
ctrl+F "scroll"

>>187747107
Cheers

3rd lab I found
3rd ice lab
Fuck this I just want some cool loot, I cant go deeper than the 3rd level. Guess I should just craft the thermal underwears

>http://angband.oook.cz/ladder.php

Why do so many Angband variants exist?

>>187745729
flying MiBe. Isn't that terrifying?

>>187747527
>I just want some cool loot
Next time want hot loot

>>187746487
Oh yeah, what anon said here >>187747107, you can do taht for anything

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In Elona+ is exp share between party memebers also does eating a special dish increase my attribute's potential?

Also
>Score younger sister off random spellbook
>Yandere evolution option
>but Cat option has 50 speed
Fuck man hard choice.

>>187747687
Easily moddable.

>>187748854
Food always increases attribute potential. Which ones it increases varies depending on the type. XP is shared, I believe, but pets only gain relationship when they score the kill.
The Yandere has temper which can be nice for the additional damage, but it also can get them killed more.

>>187748854
You earn XP based on actions, so group actions XP is shared, but individual actions (you cast a spell, you attack, you cook, etc.) the XP only goes to you, or to the pet who performed their action.

Eating normal food increases your attribute XP, but it doesn't increase your attribute potential.

>>187751269
>younger sister
>pet

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>stuck on linux for some time
>no PoE...
>remember roguelikes
>last time i've played ToME 4 and Dungeons of Dreadmore, hated ugly sprites in ToME4
>Every other roguelike that i've tried was in ASCII, and windows had shittiest font rendering.

Finally, ubuntu font rendering is godly and ASCII is so comfy. It's time to play some roguelikes.
Any recommendations for a newfag? DCSS? TGGW? Cogmind? Currently i'm trying TGGW :)

>>187751827
Tangledeep!

>>187751632
Everything is a pet in Elona if you try hard enough.

>>187751827
Play forays with mono, it has awesome ascii interface and the game is not so bloated that getting the knowledge to win is pretty manageable.

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>>187751269
>>187751415
I'm talking specifically about the "special dish" from the Innkeeper that cost 1 bronze coin. Also is there a way to make allies use ranged weapons and how do you get a god's gift? I should have enough favor for the pet gift but I don't have it.

>>187752020
he

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>>187752058
Looks great. Many hints, much user experience.

>>187751827
Nethack with curses interface for maximum comfy

>>187753246
has

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>>187752167
Different pets have different AI that determines how often they used ranged weapons. As long as they have a ranged weapon equipped (and bullet/arrow/bolt if necessary) they have a chance to use it.

You get god gifts depending on how much favor you have with a god (which can be learned with a nine-god sign). However, your faith skill determines your maximum favor amount, so if you don't have enough faith, your favor might not be high enough to get the next god gift. You'll know when you can attain your next god gift when your god gives you a unique message after your item sacrifice.

As for the bronze coin dish, maybe you should check the wiki

>>187753421
>Ordering a special dish at inns. The special dish gives an attribute growth buff to the player and all pets in sight who are not incapacitated (asleep, etc). Affects all stats (including Speed), with a duration of 1500 turns and effect strength of 20. Will become Satisfied if satiety is below Satisfied.
>attribute growth buff
I'm not sure how this works, which is why I'm asking in the first place.

>>187745840
tome originally ended after Dreadfell and the orc prides didn't even exist

>>187748854
>is exp share between party memebers
no
you don't even get xp for killing things in elona
you get longsword xp for hitting enemies with your longsword, casting xp for casting spells, evasion xp for evading, etc

so if your pet golden bell is instakilling everything with its machinegun the turn it comes into vision, your little girl is never going to get any xp in hit-it-with-sword.

>>187753721
It's like when you eat a putitoro or a raw item with "it maintains [attribute]". You earn more XP for performing actions associated with the attribute that gets the growth buff.

>>187671875
Why would you do that?

>>187753421
First reward is at 1525 favor, I have 2282. Is there anything I need to do in particular to trigger it? Like pray or whatever?

>>187754256
Just cause (2)

>>187754403
Yes. Also note your favor will go down with each prayer.

>>187752167
> "special dish" from the Innkeeper that cost 1 bronze coin
this is only a temporary buff, it has no permanent effects on potential

to increase attribute potential in the early game, you should gene engineer Cooking skill onto your pet imouto as soon as you reach level 10. if you go to sleep at night and wake up in the morning between 6 and 9 AM, pets with cooking can make you breakfast which increases all stat potentials depending on their cooking skill

in the late game the method of choice is shitting out millions of gold into magic shop investment and then just buying potions of potential

>>187656967
Eyyyyyy can I get some sauce

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>>187754647
Is there any reason to not just give all my allies cooking?

>>187755659
the only reason not do would be if you were too poor to buy rogue wizard slaves to feed into your gene machine

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>>187755001
here's a pretty good one imo

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>>187668089
>blue mage

Level 27 here. Send help.

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So whats good vs electricity, that shit hurts
I know theres a cbm that give you active immunity but there must another trick, right??

>>187756621
Use a nonconductive weapon in melee (if you examine the weapon it tells you -- notably the knife spear is one for early game). Or just shoot them, especially the brutes.

And move out of the lightning trails, obviously.

>>187756621
Hazmat
It's pretty shit for regular combat, but it shits on electric zeds
There is also rivshit armor that is best at everything and it has electric immunity when activated

Ok starting up ToME for the first time here. I'm supposed to pick nightmare roguelike mode right?
Any suggestions for first classes? I don't care if it's memes or hard.

>>187757612
>Hazmat
Never realized this
Just gotta find one now, or the firefighter book, Im pretty sure it has some recipe for entry suits

>>187758496
Tome is a shitty game any way you try to play it, so just play berserker and find out what it's all about and why exactly it's shit

>>187758496
try nightmare adventure
berserker shadowblade and archer are the best of the starting classes

>>187758496
Any difficulty level above normal breaks the game and will require you to cheese your way through.

>>187761346
>this is what DCSShitters actually believe
Anything that isn't bumping past everything in the game is cheesing it now?

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>>187754647
Oh yeah also as far as weapons go what should I be aiming for?

I normally use katanas, claymores, wakizashis, long bows, laser guns, and shotguns. Am I doing this right? Or should I be using stuff like sniper rifles, pistols, crossbows, scythes, etc.?

>>187761860
Better otab than o1234567890. It's not like tome combat is thoughtful, it's just mmo cooldown garbage.

>Jack of Shadows on Lonely Mountain 30

Oh, I see how it is.

>>187762968
Just aim for higher dice/damage to begin with. Later on you can "craft" weapons to give them bonuses, while some weapon types have useful innate bonuses (absolute piercing), and some weapons are just really good (precious artifacts like pile driver), so if you're really concerned about making good choices, consider martial arts, firearms, polearms, throwing, and long blades.

But really, it doesn't matter as long as you're having fun.

>>187763224
...on the easy difficulties

>>187769760
Going to a higher difficulty doesn't actually affect the difficulty of the combat, it just makes less builds playable.

What is unequivocally THE BEST roguelike?

Latest Elona+ dev branch of 1.22 seems to fail at loading map upon leaving home, teleports player back to center of house, help what do

>>187771905
Uninstall Elona and play a real roguelike.

>>187770247 (You)

>>187771896
probably sil or doomrl

>>187772097
Still haven't tried sil yet. How beatable is it?

>meat pizza (rotten) (58)
god damn it this minifridge sucks

>>187771905
>1.22
What? Elona+ is at 1.70 now
Did you get vanilla Elona (like half a decade outdated) or some other weird shit?

Just got back into Nuclear Throne
Please tell me the Skeleton glitch was never patched

I literally don't think I can get Unstoppable without it
on PS4 btw

>>187684704
>and don't think you can bring any potions for when your arm gets blasted off
got my camel piss and troll's blood in cans
Enner beast can eat shit

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I can't believe it, but I actually used Crawl to comfort a 3D girl and make her smile. I've managed to reach peak autism

>>187776530
you fucking what mate?

>>187776530
I can understand how would it make a girl smile that you play shitty ascii games, but comfort?

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>>187776530

>>187777777

>>187771896
noxico, according to an objective poll

>>187772521
did you try turning it on

>you continue pumping

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>>187776718

I-I've sent her 2 sets of these. This is one of those. My 3 years of playing Crawl has finally found its worth

>>187777873
The only repeating digits on /v/ and /vg/ are 0 you fucking newfie.

>>187778208
what the fuck am I looking at

>>187778140
It's on. It delays spoilage, but has little effect during warmer seasons.

>>187778208
Highly autistic, and mildly adorable. Strong work, anon.

>>187778208
is that gold count your phone number?

>>187779237

the complete message is:

>XXXXXX! Don't be sad. Or else... your acne will grow worse! Please smile & be happy!

>>187772434
I beat it to it.

>>187772434
presumably very beatable judging by the number of morgoth-kill edains who get posted whenever sil is slightly fotm
(killing morgoth is significantly harder than just getting a normal win by stealing a silmaril and running the fuck away, and edain is the hardest-defficulty race)

>>187756185
This is really counter intuitive but you can actually learn the "shoot Arrow" ability that enemy archers use and it's like a better magic missile.

>>187772681
I want to say the latter but as I was high as fuck on sleep deprivation probably the former.

>>187783362
its damage depends on the dice of your wielded melee weapon iirc
so when you first get it it's often a significantly shittier 1d4 magic missile

>>187783452
I had no idea it worked that way, I thought it just scaled with your level. Does that mean a blue mage could equip a death scythe and arrow everything to death?

>>187783831
it doesnt care about blows or brands, and by the time you are finding death scythes you're probably level 50 and 10d10 will be a pretty shitty spell compared to your 100-damage elemental balls or 250ish damage breaths
mana efficient as fuck though

>>187778208
>doing this in wizard mode
>not megazigging infinitely to get enough money to build it on your own
You're a shit bf dude.

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>>187785390
This.
A real man would put effort in.

>>187785521
I aspire to one day be as autistic as this anon.
I believe

>>187778208
>the virgin wizard

>>187785521
>the chad autist

I got fucked by etherwind in elona. Fuck this gay shit.

>>187787019
just look at the calendar
or dont even look at the calendar and just put a shelter in your house and carry scrolls of recall

>>187787019
potions of cure corruption are easy to find if you know where to gamble

>>187787378
>>187787427
Thanks, I'm still slogging through the part where I don't know jack shit about much but I'm learning.

Trying to enjoy Elona+ and sorta powergame at the same time, I was instructed to do the nuke quest to blow up house with starting NPCs and never go to vernis until they're dead.

These power gaming tips are a bit hard to follow with only some precursory knowledge of the game though and not very fun, what's a good way to git gud at elona+?

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>>187788179
I'm in the same boat as you and I feel like I've come to the conclusion that Elona is not supposed to be fun. But for some reason I keep trying to understand it and therefore keep playing it. Have you tried a fairy pianist? I hear that's the way to go.

>>187788179

>what's a good way to git gud at elona+?

have freetime

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>>187778208

uwaaa it's a sperglord in its natural habitat

should i change my name to dankgod

also fuck thomas biskup

>>187792496
i wont believe you're the real darkgod until you start posting in french
or at least call us "my minions" a few dozen times

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>>187776530

soup

>>187785521
>you will never be this autistic

>>187785521
Did this wonderful autistic miracle of a man ever get featured in the wiki like some people suggested?

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10

>>187790247
I tried it before and was annoyed at being unable to carry anything or wear non-paper armor

>>187800456
fairy pianist can carry a lot of shit though
you start with 20 weightlifting skill

just don't carry the piano

what roguelikes are best at letting you be a jew

it's probably a race option in steamband
you can choose the 'asiatic' race to get a bonus to martial arts too

>>187776530
I can't believe it either.

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>>187788179
The artifacts the starting NPCs drop are pretty shit, but I suppose they're still artifacts.
Don't try fancy shit like that until you've gotten the hand of how the game works, I'd say.

Sigmund comes into view. He is wielding a scythe of distortion.

>>187814465
>Tukima's Dance
>Sigmund has been banished to Abyss