Roguelike General /rlg/

C:DDA > Elona > ToME > every other ascii permadeath garbage

First for Nethack

>>187189281
t.kevin
I'm trying to get into Elona but it's a rocky start.
I don't necessarily mind the grind but what are some fun classes/races to start as?

>>187189716
Go with a race that's somewhat vanilla, not fairy bullshit or other races with too massive advantages/disadvantages then you can't go wrong. Like Elea, Eulderna or similar.
Class matters very little, you're going to get every skill in the game anyway. Warmage is versatile because you will almost certainly want to cast some spells even as a melee heavy character.

>>187189716
Unless you absolutely want to meme right off the gates, Warmage gives useful combat and magic skills and one of the arguably best and general-purpose class feats.
Agreeing with >>187190154, but when you're ready to go all in Golem dim immunity is very nice.

>>187189716
>fun
Snail tourist, or mutant.

>>187189281
no

It's dead.

Don't worry I backed up our save.

>>187189281
>Grindlona
>Good

>roguelikes
>good

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*kills your general*
Heh...Nothin personnel....shitters....

Why do you any of you still play roguelikes when you could be playing fun games like literally anything also?
Also where will you go when /rlg/ finally splats for good?

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ded genre
ded thred

>>187195791
Those are all good roguelikes
Yes, I said it, berlin interpretation can suck my left nut

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>>187195791
wrong one

I saw you die.

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>C:DDA
>ToME
>DCSShitters all on hiatus
>that one autistic nethack poster
The absolute state of /rlg/ everyone

>>187189281
C:DDA > DCSS > Everything else.

>>187198540
>DCSShitters all on hiatus
Fucking awesome.

>>187200086
DCSS is literally more dead than Battleborn

praise to the anon who posted Blind Guardian in last thread

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>>187200686
I mean you're wrong but whatever

are there any first person roguelikes where I can achieve 60 FPS?

dark souls but you'll need to use mods

>>187204074
>first person roguelike
Do you mean dungeon crawlers/blobbers like Might and Magic?

did the last thread reach bump limit or did it just die off?

>>187205531
It was past bump limit for a while, yeah.

>>187205531
It hit bump limit then no one made a new one for about an hour

>>187204074
The first-person version of DoomRL is decent. You could check that out.

Also, http://www.dungeoncrawlers.org/top-100/

>>187207105
why does 4chan derefer urls? Is it botnet?

>>187208032
4chan doesn't even embed links by default. I have to copy paste them, can't click it.
Blame whatever addon you're using.

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>>187200853
>slaying morgoth as an edain while listening to nightfall in middle earth
Only through blind guardian one can truly appreciate the purity of Sil.

>>187207105
>top 100 dungeon crawlers
>first place: Legend of "4 spells per school, shit classes, most shallow combat system" Grimrock
>close page

>>187208753
I set that in the setting

I'm playing DCSS on terminal for the first time now and I have to say I really like it. I looks kinda good after getting accustomed to it and I play much more safe.

>>187208867
Oh, sorry. For some reason, the list is sorted by most votes by default, instead of highest average score. Try this one:
http://www.dungeoncrawlers.org/top-100/?average

Im on level 6 of dreadfall, this might be my first run of killing the master! fuck yeah.

dangleteep

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Educate thyself.
https://youtu.be/OniMpPclAzs

>>187213472
pls don't let the thread die until I watched this video I promise I will bump the thread one time then

>>187213472
That's a big video

>>187213472
This made me think of that guy who was making videos about hitting L50 in Tome2 without leaving Bree as an alchemist, I gotta check if he finally did it

How long does it take for influenza to go away? It's been almost two weeks.
I started taking cough syrup and vitamins every day.

>>187214969
for you

>>187217963
Too much time
Dont forget to not sleep

>>187217963
This game is fucking retarded, or probably broken.
More than a whole season with influenza. Spent the whole time at home, with warm clothes, vitamins and medicine. It just doesn't end.

>>187220547
>Dont forget to not sleep
What do you mean?

Why do people play broken unfun games when nethack is available and there's a variant for every player?

u shouldnt hack anon, it isnt morally right and also it's a crime

>>187220862
nice bait, nethack is broken with it's spoilery instakills

>>187220693
When you are sleeping its time that is not counted for the disease timer or whatever, at least thats how it used to work, maybe they fixed it

>>187221243
wew. I slept as much as possible since IRL that helps.
No wonder it took 3 weeks.

>>187221243
that would be pretty fucking retarded

>>187221242
It's called a learning process, the only thing broken here is your brain! :^D

>>187221242
Variants like dynahack actually remove a lot of bs instadeaths like touching a cockatrice or poison instadeath. You should give it a try anon!

>get spellbinder
>miscast effect spawns some friendly worldbinders
>worldbinders spawn a shitton of allies
>accidentally hurt them all with an explosion caused by spellbinder
>okawaru gets super pissed and shits enemies at me until i die
JUST

>>187221737
>>187221513
there is no skill or fun involved in playing nethack

>>187223004
I would get pissed at you too for that

>>187223302
git gud I guess

>>187223426
>git gud
>at reading wikis

A reminder that if savescumming gives you advantage at a game, then it's badly designed.

>>187224145
so only games without any saving at all are ok?

>>187224145
Name one game where savescumming wouldn't be an advantage. You can't.

>>187223993
>I need a wiki to tell me that stupid thing I just did was stupid
Yes, git gud

>>187224369
there are many such games
for example many puzzle games have no consequences for failure, with infinite resets or even an 'undo' button

>>187224369
Games that gives you the information you need to win a battle, instead of having to rely on reload knowledge after LOLSORANDOMDEATH

>>187224563
Infinite undos are the same as loading a save. If a game has any failure condition at all then you can save time by reloading/undoing instead of dealing with it and restarting the level or whatever.

>>187224761
>make the wrong decision
>get punished
>reload
retard

>>187224531
Yeah Incredible I didn't figure out to put my hands in my ear when encountering a banshe
>sry I'm brainlet this is the only board that will take me pls no bully

>>187225302
That's why you play games that don't punish you for a bad decision.

>>187225302
you sound like someone who couldn't beat mario as a kid

>>187225571
Double retard

Has anybody actually ever ascended in a game besides nu-dcss?

>>187225313
It's not so bad, early game tourist is the most fun for me personally.

>>187225871
I once saw a video of nethack and this guy autistically lured monsters to his altar to sacrifice them there to build up piety.

I don't want to start this game, because I'm the type of person who would grind 10 hours and then still manage to die

Is TSO the least fun-allowed god? /clouds? Nope. Using angels with like, any fun evocable or ?immo? Nope. Accidentally hurting an angel when fighting like five greater mummies and shit in W:3? Repent!

Not sure what his problem is.

a good tome build feels as degenerate as powergaming in dnd 3.x but without being thatguy

>>187227094
Well, you are supposed to be larping as a crusader. They were technically even forbidden to rape the losers of the war.

>>187225993
Wands of create monster are usually pretty plentiful. Grinding I don't think is really ever necessary, that doesn't mean people won't do it.

>>187228025
Is Adventurer class the equivalent of taking 5 different prestige classes?

>>187228560
adventurer can get around to some real fucky shenanigans

i think in version 1.3 someone made a build that manages to be permanently invincible by stacking a shitload of different cooldown reduction and reset effects from different classes plus the Timeless and the Berserker's "you can't be reduced below 1hp for 5 turns" thing

>>187229014
You can pretty much take super expensive sustains in resources that you'll never use for anything else, right?

>>187227094
Sincei t gives health and MP on kills, not to mention rN+++, halo and absurd other benefits. It makes most other gods look terrible in comparison for endgame.

bump for roguelites

>>187229604
Don't even start to mention that you can almost freely switch between him and his 2 buddies. I think more gods should work as teams, could make an interesting design

>>187232667
was just typing my reply ..

I have finally slain the master. Inhabiting a level 50 vampire lord body certainly made it manageable, even if it made my steamguns useless

>>187234873
and as a bonus, I have possesed the orcish ambush leader. THIS IS THE RUN, BOYS

>>187235557
what game? tangledeep (deep for deep mechanics) by chance?

Is Tangedeep good or will we never seriously discuss it because of the "Any roguelike that isn't free is shit," meme?

>>187236476
you are literally 2 posts below a tomeposter

although to be fair tome is still open source despite costing money, so it doesn't really fall under the "nonfree software is not roguelikes" thing
and even though tangledeep does have this problem, arelgee still has plenty of posts about notroguelikes such as elona or demon so you're probably still fine

>>187236049
ToME of course. Tangledeep is pretty fun though

>>187236476
>Any roguelike that isn't free is shit
This is so stupid. I say we wait until the game gets a bit more stable so you can reliably pirate it, maybe if its good people will talk about it (and some will pay for it)

I'm all for free software and all but as I understand people need to make money and as long as the game is not literal spyware like windows I have no problem with paying for it

>>187236476
It will never receive serious discussion because of the obnoxious way which it has been introduced to the thread.

>>187238687
honestly, I don't know nor care about the game because I'm a poorfag but I like shitposting about it

I wonder how many people try it just because of the shitposts

>****** with TSO
>holding +2 Demon Blade of Slicing
>pray on altar while holding blade
>nothing
How do I get a eudemon blade?

>>187236476
I can't get past floor 18, feels like there's a massive gear wall there that assumes you're using the vault stuff.

Hollow enemies in CDDA are so fucking dumb, like skeletons or spiders.
80% of the bullets miss them even at perfect aiming.

>>187240605
You are not supposed to shoot skellies dumb MiBe
Just swing your sword twice instead of wasting bullets

>>187240605
Holy shit I can barely make it to 3 days in Cata and even I know you bash skeletons and shit.

>>187240886
>>187241948
Spiders are the main problem though, they are hard to hit in melee too.

>>187242505
set them on fire

>>187242505
Spiders live in basement
Get out of the basement if you cant fight them
What are you doing /rlg/

>>187242620
I can fight them but they are still annoying as fuck.
Can't shoot them, meleeing them will cause some damage because of how long it takes.

>die in Slime:1 because rCorr doesn't actually fucking help with anything
boy don't I love only getting 1/2 corroded and slammed into a corner

>>187243067
>die in Slime: 1
lol

>>187243412
disgraceful I know. I had never been to Slime Pits before and it was a nightmare. Died 3 tiles from the staircase.

>>187244341
sit on the staircase and yell
Then again thats also a bad idea because of those fucking paralyzing or confusing eyes

>>187239469
At 5* you get a skill to brand holy wrath permanently once, no need to go to the altar now.

>>187247708
discovered that now, but you still need to visit the altar it seems since it's a permanent brand (which also converts demon weapons to holy weapons). Real neat shit. I had a +4 Eudaemon blade enchanted to +9 and Holy Wrath but it was useless against Slimes. RIP

>>187247860
To be fair, i do Slime at last along with Tomb on any character that is not absolutely diesel or a offensive spell caster of vehumet or sif. Corrosion is a pain.

half life 3 confirmed

>>187248398
Which would you do first, Shoals or Slime?

Half-life was stupid
Roguelikes have ruined my life

>>187249752
Shoals for sure, i can't think of any instance where doing Slime first would be better.

Shoals is REALLY easy if you can cast invisible, or have ranged attacks. Having reliable EV and SH could help you not get a javaline to the face so often too.

So is Celesial/Light just something you get on any non-antimagic character?

>>187250016
I hate shoals since I can't break Mesm now that Scrolls of Noise were nerfed

>>187249832
How did roguelikes ruin your life?

>>187250364
If you can afford a category point it helps a great deal. Scales with magic

>>187250364
maybe you have some kinda ultra-specific build with important big plans for every single one of your category and/or generic points,
but aside from that it's pretty dang good

>>187251054
On further reflection, my life was already fucked and this just the natural conclusion . Roguelikes are what I consider the pinnacle of gaming perfection and have thus ruined all other video games as a form of entertainment for me.
Unfortunately roguelikes are a dead niche genre and this is unironically one of the better places to shitpost about them so in a nutshell it's fucked sideways.

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>FeEn in Spider 4, no extra life
>Finish clearing a big pack of spiders
>Orb spider shows up from behind as I'm walking back to a safer spot to regen
>Resists three 70% confuses and two 60% EH and wakes up immediately from a third as another shows up
>Out of MP
>Decide to tele scroll out and use last heal wounds
>They both fire an orb
>Statue form still up and no blink so can't dodge it or close in enough to matter
>One of them hits and doesn't do much damage
>Think I should be able to take at least one more orb with 57/81 HP and 30AC so decide not to ambrosia/cure yet
>It hits and deals 58 damage

>>187253056
A FUCKING CAT

>>187252962
They aren't dead, but for people that have thoroughly explored the genre the slow trickle of updates and new games really isn't enough.

>>187252962
Im tempted to say i feel the same as you, after playing roguelikes so much during the past 2 or 3 years, other games feel dull. Heck the only non-roguelikes mainstream games i played recently have roguelikeish elements.

Where's a good Hellcrawl DL?

splat

>>187253056
did somebody say FELID

just finished and uploaded this 15 rune run

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDaRV3E1ecibnQyz4Mft8404TbHROgSFO

>Roleplaying as a defenseless child just so you can splat violently over and over again

>>187265801
>roleplaying as a defenseless little girl so you can wear nanoskirt, no panties and a red backpack

hurricane anon here tfw i didnt even lose power

>>187266256
Hurricanes are not roguelikes. I couldn't care less.

>>187267259
https://te4.org/wiki/Hurricane_(talent)
um sweety

>>187267259
shut up faggot ive been playing roguelikes through the whole storm

>>187267447
best game coming thru

>>187267447
While hurricanes are still not roguelikes, I should habe realised there are hurricanes in them. I was in the wrong here and I deeply regret my words.

>>187268361
It's okay, anon. We all make mistakes.

I for one think Budoka is the easiest Tangledeep class.

>>187269335
Budoka has the best package of skills. Usually no matter what you want to play, you max Budoka first. Actually being Budoka is unnecessary though since you can just play something else and use weapons instead.

Which roguelike allows me to play a hurricane?

>>187270245
>>187267447

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Is there anyway to raise skill level other than skill points in Elona?

>>187269335
tangledeep is easy! unlike my well and thought out game that I enjoy shitposting about, dungeon crawl stone soup

/rlg/ machine broken

>>187272674

If you hit things in Elona, your hitdude skill will increase. For example, using your Scythe to hit things that is around your level/AP value will cause your Scythe skill and Tactics to increase. It's also accompanied by a Str increase every single time you hit which you can monitor using an item which name I've already forgotten.

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>>187198540

I'm not on hiatus; I'm either just plain busy with real life or playing PCB. I never see any interesting points in PCB so I basically never blogpost about my """gameplay""". And also, how the fuck do you find other towns in PCB? I'm already at this level as an Archon but I still can't find the other towns

>>187276989
Nigger they are a white * on the overmap.
Press < when in wilderness to enter the overmap.

>>187277094

oh wow, you are of genius huh

>>187277180
>get to xl 44 without using overmap in wilderness mode
You've got to be memeing.

>>187277371

Is it that bad? It's not like it's necessary. I just have to press ->> for a while and down to get to the XP and item mountains, recall when my pack is full to sell things rinse and repeat.

>>187276780
>>187276780
Well I was trying to level my Gene Engineering. I ended up just raising the potential and leveling up.

>>187278601

That's surely a hard skill to level especially during early game when you still can't charm dudes at will so you'd be forced to rely on skillpoints. Where will you use a high gene engineering skill anyway?

>>187278143
Show me how many hours you've been playing.

>>187278772
I just needed enough to give cooking to my little girl.

>>187276989
why is PCB so shit?

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>>187278857

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>>187279154
>25 hours of grinding durrgins

>>187279197

That's literally nothing compared to those people playing Elona+

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>>187279336
>It's okay if I'm an alcoholic, at least I'm not a heroin addict
hey man, you do you.

so, what's the hottest /rlg/ game at the moment? It looks like DCSS became kill.

>>187279391

you say that but you've already spent more than a thousand hours playing Crawl

>>187279593
Tangledeep

>>187279593
Infradeep of Maj'EyalRLband+: Stone Soup Ahead

$15 is kinda pricey considering the amount of free roguelikes out there.

Sell me on Tangledeep.

>>187280157
No.

>>187279593
shitposting is the new hot meme of the season.
>>187279620
not really.

>>187280192
Ok

>>187242620
I live in the basement too. I would be easy xp

>>187282312
and a high quality katana

What roguelike has the best ascii graphics?

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Which is stronger damage-wise?

>>187283995
The ones where you can change the font

>>187284240
honestly, as long as your strategy is sound, little min-maxing like this shouldn't make much of a difference. Just wear both

Is ToME a good game? What are it's main "selling" points?

Also, how is their money making politics? Is it cancer or am I not pressured to by anything, for example by nagging or the game being incomplete without the DLCs?

>>187285043
think of tome as a single player MMO and you'd be about right
it's extremely obnoxious with nagging and all the DLC is stupid powercreep shit that wins the game for you

>>187284895

but I need my speed 6 ring

>>187285452
do you mean it's an RPG packaged as a roguelike? Could be nice, but I hate nagging. I'll just try it and then I'll see if their business practices are accceptable

>>187286483
it has MMO cooldowns and MMO amounts of trash mobs and MMO boring dungeon design

>>187284240
Ring of Combat is the stronger one

>>187287784
my sides are in orbit

>>187283995
Forays into Norrendrin is pretty nice to look at imo. Everything fits on one screen, enemies have hp bars, and the colors are all fitting but not overdone like brogue.

>>187189281
Nethack bigger then they all

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how do i into nethack the mobile version

>>187293693
>mobile gaming
pure cancer

What is the best ranged fighting method in DCSS? Especially between bows and crossbows I don't really see a difference.

>>187294436
Firestorm

>>187292617
This guy gets it

>>187293693
What's to get? If you're playing mobile that means it's 3.4.3 so you can spam Elbereth if your still babby tier.
Other than that it should play even easier than playing on pc because your forced to go slower due to mobile controls.

>>187279197
Just imagine the sheer number of keypresses. It's not like DCSS where you can just slam o and your guy does everything himself. Here, you have to navigate through a bunch of menus all the time. This guy could have written a novel with the number of keypresses he's put into this game.

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That couldn't possibly have been a more underwhelming finale.

>>187209376
> roguelike purity

Once you go ASCII, you never go back-ski.

>>187297443
grats u won

>>187297554
now I only have to find out how to play DCSS online in ASCII

>>187297443
then you have never played the dcss finale. At least the orb run, zot is good

>>187280157
It's literally only $15, that's nothing for a game, and it's the equivalent of watching one movie in the theater.

But it also encourages twat developers who grow up on free roguelikes and then make non-free ones, so I dunno

>>187297443
gg no re

>>187297762
Try CAO. ssh to crawl.akrasiac.org, joshua/joshua for username/pw, and then you can create a new user, etc.

>>187297780
Fuck it I am taking the plunge, I haven't bought a game in literal ages.

>>187298513
stop no

>>187297898
that is definitely a weird way to do it, but i guess it works. thanks

>>187298513
DONT

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>>187298679
>>187298579
HOW HARD DO WE LIKE IT??

>>187298792
Pick the roguelike option or leave this general

>>187298984
don't worry lategame is almost finished
t. tangledeep dev

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Accidentally uploaded wrong skill list, Soulkeeper is OP and hardcore mode is pointless.

>>187298870
So basically the top one with backup saves?

>>187299495
Might as well pick the middle one, you dont have anything to do to savescum

>>187299739
Only scrubs play without permadeath.

>>187299739
out

I picked hardcore cuz I'm not a bitch and gambler class cuz it seemed closest to a tourist.

>>187278772
just buy slaves in Derphy and practise on them

Will TSO save my butthole from HolyPan or will I get angery messages about killing angels there? Also WHY THE FUCK DO SUMMONED ANGELS KILL FREED HUMANS IN DEPTHS???

>>187305039
TSO doesn't care if you kill angels anymore.

>>187278601
>>187278772
what the fuck gene engineering is the easiest skill in the game to raise
lug your gene machine to derphy, buy two level 1 slaves, glue them together into an unholy abomination
repeat until your gene engineering skill is high enough for you to shove them into your pets, then start doing that
note that gene engineering doesn't only teach new skills: if the 'donor' is higher level, it will raise the pet's level by half the difference (but the max level you can gene-engineer is limited by your skill), and if the donor's 3 highest stats are better than the pet, the pet's stats will be increased as well.
plus the whole extra limbs thing

>>187283995
Late to the party but brogue is really pretty to look at.

>>187284357
that's not the only aspect that matters
for example PCB can change font but doesn't support things like background colors

>>187284240
you can see your melee damage/round just by pressing ~W, so try both on and figure it out yourself
but unless you have low blows/round and a very powerful weapon it's almost certainly going to be +8 damage over the +3dex

>>187299280
>>187298792
>>187297443
what is this?

>>187306905
Tangledeep
It'll be good when it comes out of early access, surely

>>187306013
I couldn't do that at the time my party was full.

>>187306978
>Tangledeep just updated
>Game can't run correctly anymore

Like pottery.

>>187306013
in what game can I do that, it sounds awesome as fuck

>>187308707
>tfw the Grimwah of roguelikes

>>187308935
Elona

>>187309979
ofc, what else

>>187309148
can you ride turtles in it &/or is the dev as insane as cleve

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One of the most reliable guns in the world, my ass.

>>187312317
IRL firing a 2-round burst from an MP5 will jam the gun. I'm not sure if 2 braps is 2 rounds or 2 bursts though.

>>187312430
It was supposed to be a 3 round burst, but it jammed at the second bullet.

>>187312317
*BRRRRRRRRRRRAPPPPPPPP*

>>187312475
that's pretty fucking gay. I wager (((Kevin Granade))) is at fault for this one

>>187297780
>only $15
For that, you could get both Morrowind and Oblivion, and those aren't even roguelikes.

>>187313064
>064▶
>>>187297780
>>only $15
>For that, you could get both Morrowind and Oblivion, and those aren't even roguelikes.
and they're both shit games
fuck off Todd

>>187224369
Tic-Tac-Toe

this was a glorious glorious ToME thread, what did you fuckers do in my absence?

>>187224369
wow thanks for that insight

>>187313120
>morrowind and oblivion
>shit
What is wrong with you, anon?

>>187316920
no permadeath, no play

>>187316920
I know everybody has different taste but these games really aged well

Elona sure seems fun but how the fuck do I use the numpad to move?

>>187317191
But it has permadeath..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoocxEjQyzI

>>187318195
8 goes up, 4 goes left, 6 goes right and 2 goes down.

>>187318410
alright. alright. But why doesn't I open the inventory anymore? Now it just asks for valid targets?

Anyone got relatively modern Dildon'ts?

>>187319520
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=11926.msg264313#msg264313

>>187318362
Spriggan Airmage Themesong

>>187319729
Thanks

>>187320174
they changed the requirements on diamond weapons and they're not an item but a tag nowadays, so you can't blacklist them anymore.
I haven't touched DDA a year or so, so I don't know if those things should cause problems, considering that they are in the mod.

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>B:"do you have sage on speed dial anywhere?"
>D:"Not really."
Goddamnit.

Hi I'm from /roguelites/ do you want to come over to us since your general is dead?

>>187321956
Do you guys have hot milk, cookies and permadeath?

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yeah let me just grab my stuff and I'll be right there pal
thanks a lot for the opportunity

>>187322175
>hot milk

Is there more autistimulating subcategory of video games than roguelikes?

>>187322225
but please no shitposting we don't need that there

And no nethack, it's too brutal

>>187322175
You need to leave.
Unless by "milk" you mean "soymilk".

>>187322310
>>187045963

>>187322310
have you experienced the wonder of buying $2000 of train simulator dlc

>>187321956
>hey I know your general has been alive for five years and you're going through a rough patch so come to my home and bend over so I can fuck anything you hold dear with a horse strapon

So this is what being a refugee feels like.

Trucking simulators

what's wrong with merging

What's wrong with racemixing?

>>187322645
>>187322815
nothing

I say we merge, we can always make a new fork if we don't like it

>>187322815
It creates filthy weak demonspawn that keep dying before they can reach their full potential

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>>187322498
there hasn't even been a roguelite thread on /vg/ for a year+ anon

>>187323004
I like to roleplay as demonspawn. Imagining them being failed experiments and taking revenge is fun

>>187322510
>roguelites

why does Elona have so many item sprites from Crawl

>>187330520
because crawl uses a cucked free license :^)

>>187318362
damn that's catchy

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apparently you can examine yourself in hyperrogue

it's an interesting game: rather than euclidean space, the whole thing takes place on a hyperbolic plane with lots of weird hyperbolic geometry rules
it's a pretty puzzle-y game, where most enemies die in one hit or kill the player in one hit, and every region/branch/"land" has a different kind of puzzley theme.
oh yes, and the game follows chess-like rules where you're not allowed to make any moves that would put you in 'check'. in other words, you can't do anything that would lead to you dying next turn, and you only lose if you're checkmated and have no possible moves

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>>187318362
> posting the simple version

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The Land of Eternal Motion is a pretty simple dungeon branch mechanically but it shows off some weird hyperbolic properties
Tiles fall down and become impassable chasms 1 turn after you step on them, so you can't backtrack and you can't spend your turn attacking enemies.
The monsters here are all the same speed as the player, and more spawn over time, so at first it sounds like it would be impossible to ever outrun them.
But in hyperbolic geometry, 'normal' parallel lines dont exist. The dogs can't chase you forever by running along a line next to yours, because the path they have to follow to stay close is longer than the path you have to follow to run away.
So you can outrun same-speed enemies just by walking in a straight line. It's a crawl player's dream.

You finish consuming Tofu Brick.

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>>187337427
and here's the bit that follows that
19260 within 16 steps from the player is kind of a lot

Why does the player start with a house in Elona+?

how do I pick shit up in IVAN

>>187341643
same way you pick up anything else

>>187316920
Not that anon, but the level-scaling bullshit in Oblivion didn't sit well with me.

>>187341643
also how the fuck do I train attributes, the guide hasn't told me shit.

>>187306478

The problem is that those (+x, +y) bonuses never seems to show up or list any noticeable changes while ~W'ing. It only seems to change when I'm adding/decreasing a Str/Dex items

Well I've chosen the Dex one anyway. I'm using a Blade of Chaos 6d6 btw and my blows went up from 4.5 per round to 5.0+

>>187323004

Sounds like Ketziah's daily routine

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>>187297213

I'd rather spend keypresses playing real roguelikes than shitposting in 4chan (not a real roguelike)

>tfw spent kvetching 6 minutes straight because they added a dumb-ass use stairs CD
>It was an nightmare thing
I'm a retard.

>>187346930
Name one (1) real roguelike
Protip you can't
tangledeep doesn't count

>>187347437
tummy quest

>>187347095
>>/pol/

>>187346120
Note that rings with +damage only apply to the hand they're worn on. If you're two-handing your weapon both rings will work, but if you're using a shield, riding, or dual-wielding, only rings on the weapon hand give a bonus.

If you play a race with multiple arms this same rule applies to gloves.

>>187348073
t. Antisemitic goy

we need another race to breathe some life into this thread

>>187321436
What is that there context here

>>187351142
Breathe life sounds like the newest poschengband element.

>tfw CDDA stopped providing experimental builds for nix console on 8/3
please don't tell me i need to spend a week compiling it

>>187352734
No, someone was just too lazy to update the link to point at the new location. See: http://dev.narc.ro/cataclysm/jenkins-latest/Linux_x64/Curses/

Unless you actually have only a 32-bit system, then you're out of luck.

>>187353083
god bless you anon

>>187352734
>not playing the uncucked builds

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>when you dip your Whip of Thievery into sulfuric acid

>>187356452
i don't get it

how about a race of tome's infinite dungeon?

>>187357515
Weird
How could a dungeon be an adventurer?

>no wand of teleport in IVAN by UC3
may as well be an autoretry at this point

>>187358403
The adventurer is your heart

Anyone have any (up-to-date) tips or templates on chargen in cdda?

>>187364336
Don't play single pool. Multipool if you don't suck, freeform if you do. Single pool is tedious but easy.

Lab start gives you mutant traits to select from and that's more fun. But escaping from labs can be tedious if you know how to do it but just need tools.
Very bad day is RNG bullshit. Don't pick it, pick the sheltered start or infected start instead.

Parkour expert and pain resistant are must-have. Deft is good nowadays. Most allergies are free points - you can get +12 trait points with no real bad effects if you don't feel bad about exploiting badly designed traits.

For starting skills, grab enough cooking and chemistry to unlock zombie pheromones.

Strength is good for any melee (more so for unarmed and heavy weapons), dexterity is good for defense and accuracy, perception gives you better ranged ranged is utterly shitty in mainline version, if you want to go that way, grab cool days ahead and nightvision.
Intelligence is shittily designed: it doesn't give any tangible benefits, instead it just makes book reading faster, so less tedium.

You don't need more optimization than that.

>>187365217
I like mech 2 as a starting skill, it only costs one point and lets you start welding as soon as you find a hacksaw and spray can.

>>187365217
>Don't play single pool
lol

>>187365735
I sure do enjoy retrying VBD tweaker/brokenborg over and over until I survive to get huge stats to immediately progress from incredibly tedious start to endgame where nothing can touch me!
"Difficult" just means you have to try multiple times, right?

>>187365987
what the fuck are you memeing you goddamn shitter
meme responsibly you fucking animal

>>187351338
4 hours in his sil throneroom run, Dicks and and Artagel (Balls) are looking at some big 950' dude and wondering if they can take him. B. Asks D. If he has sage on the line, since he's a renewed sil master. D. starts saying "naaah" but a second later adds "Not really.", which is sage's watermark phrase. That's the joke right there. If you had a little gray in your neckbeard you'd know that too anon.

>>187356637
>breaking your whip
That don't work no more son.
>playing ancient builds

How do I sell shit in IVAN

>>187366296
Why hasn't sage mumo'd yet?

>>187351608
poschengband already has "breathe reanimation", if that counts

>>187365735
if you want to play imbalanced ezmode you can just pick the option that gives you infinite points instead

>>187366834
Drop it inside the store.

>>187367673
>freeform is the same as singlepool
Again, lol. The game isn't that hard to begin with, you can make it a challenge by dropping all your stats to 4 on VBD with only negative traits and dumping every point into Swimming and it's still not difficult.

Reminder to report all Cata posts as off-topic, needs to be in /indie/ with all the other roguelites.

I left a level 10 unarmed shield-using barachi fighter on the berotato rlgrobin if anyone wants to take it up

There's a d:8 ugly thing and some neato +9 rC rF artifact plate in an early shop. It's already on the shopping list

>>187367051
He grabbed 13 runes, entered a ziggurat, faulted HARD and died of shame.

woops you don't have that barachi anymore
did they buff two headed ogres in the last versions or something

>>187372652
>Two-headed ogres are significantly stronger.
From the 0.20 changelog

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>>187372856
oh yeah, the hill giant removal thing.

>>187371214
still makes me laugh to this day

>using projection to summon minons, psychicly animated corpses and a shadow copy of yourself
>then summoning more minons and another copy of yourself

no one told me possessor was a better summoner than summoner

>>187373015
I don't think he's even playing roguelikes anymore. That run broke him.
Poor spicerack.

>>187373115
o shit can possessor use the monster-only summon spells

>>187365217
>Parkour expert and pain resistant
Really? I've been using the list in the TL;DR part of the pastebin and it seems pretty good.

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>>187373619
Not that anon but.

>parkour expert
It lets your move on rubble/stuff with base movement cost, so it is ideal for scapes
>pain resistance
The more pain you can soak without getting stat debuff, the longer you can fight.

>>187373764
Really nice traits but not really what I'd consider a must-have. Also parkour expert seems more useful than pain resistant.

>>187373619
if youre playing with npcs choose cannibal spiritual and psychopath :^)

so hows CDDA recently.
are guns fucked still, or did they fix that.

>>187375868
get the coolthulu build

>>187188930
Dumb question; no bully but how is glow supposed to be apparent to player in Sil. It says it does so in the tutorial and you hear people talking about how glows make it easy to ID things without equipping them but like, it doesn't fucking glow.

The colour of the item name doesn't seem to change in E
There are no messages in the message box
The colour of the item doesn't change in I

Like how the fuck are you supposed to 'see' the glowing of the weapon when they're near enemies their enchant is good against?

It'll be something simple and I'll seem retarded but send help.

>>187377828
The name of the item in the inventory window doesn't change, but the icon next to the name will change to a glowy blue color.

Also, if you're wielding the item, your light radius will increase by 1.

>>187378384
Thanks heaps

The light radius thing also works if you drop the item on the ground, btw.

do you think this year is going to be the year sil updates

>>187378627
no updates ever again

I don't believe you
he wouldn't leave smithing this fucked for three years

he's too busy giving birth to and raising little lotr-nerd babies to make roguelikes nowadays

-R, pseudo or vanilla?

>>187378937
no

>>187337606
this game actualy looks interesting

>>187378716
What's wrong with it

>>187379659
then what game, anon?

Hard mode: not Tangledeep or Tome

>>187383510
RedditRL

no fun allowed anon

Is Kevin done running cata into the ground and doing a 180 on every major mechanic every 3 months?

>>187383510
Incursion

That Hyperrogue game is sort of making me feel sick in my brain.

>>187375916
As someone who has just started getting into Cata, what are the big differences between coolthulus build and the latest regular unstable CDDA build? In what way are guns fucked in CDDA?

>>187386401
>180 degree
if you turn by 180 you still move on the same vector ...

What do you use in DCSS as a ranged option if you play melee? Is it worth training slings a bit or is switching weapons too hard on your DPS?

>>187389163
In experimental build guns are basically melee weapons (since you won't hit anything from further than a few tiles).
Bows are similarly cucked.

You can carry over your save game, get coolthulu build if you love your gunfus.

>>187391709
Did coolthulu make his own fork? Did this make kevin rage?

>>187392131
Yes and no. Why would Kevin rage knowing he's doing what's right for the game and its players?

>>187392131
yes
yes

>>187263690
pretty interesting to watch

>>187391441

Throwing. It's the only ranged attack that you can do without swapping out your weapon. Which means no fumbling around when enemies start to close in on you.

rogue

>>187386401
No but Coolthulu finally made his own branch

kill me permanently

>>187237584
We've had some obnoxious shills in the thread before, for crap like SanctuaryRPG, which doesn't help. It also doesn't help that paid games are usually shit, and/or designed around sales/humor/whatever rather than gameplay.

OWH doesn't get much shit, for example.

>>187240605
It's 50% and use buckshot.

>>187390863
No?

>>187405160
There's a 33% chance you're wrong.

>>187390863
Is this the power of the American education system?

>tfw you find a 4-use forge at 200' but packs of orcs wander through constantly because it's a main route across the level so you get interrupted constantly plus some of them run away and then come back just as you're resuming work

On the plus side they drop a lot of stuff.

>>187405662
>Smithing
The madman

>>187405662
since you're smithing, do you know the 50' forge trick?