/tekgen/ - Tekken General

Is there a guide for breaking Nina's chain grabs anywhere?

to kazuya players:
what's your thought process behind choosing your oki vs a new opponent?
you've just landed a knockdown, whats your first choice?
i have noticed i defauly to a flowchart and almost always use ff4 first to see what they do.
>did they stand block? hellsweep next time
>did they block low and get hit? ff3 next time
>counter hit something? ff4 next time
>did they stay on the ground or sideroll? ff4 next time

im just kinda curious what other people do at the start of a set/match vs a fresh opponent who doesnt know your tendencies.

Why are people such bitches? I just had two promo games back to back where 2 different players ragequit me during the winning combo

K4t4r1n4 player should kys. 3dd13 players too.

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>>187338256

This is for doing the 1+2+3+4 bind but it shows breaks too as colors.

>>187338529
>he loses to noob spam
LOL

Lucifer

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>>187338756
>unbreakable throw
>nina players literally mash their throws chains

Simply epic.

>>187339114

If you mash 1+2+3+4 the break is always 1 for King and Nina.

What's another poke heavy character besides Alisa

any advice for fighting against ling bitch

>>187340442
jack
lee
asuka

>>187340705
Find a move that's decently fast to hit her out of AOP.

what was the thought process behind putting divekick characters in a game without proper anti airs

>>187340705
B+1 and B+1+2 when she back turns

>>187340442
Feng Wei

What a nice op

Absolute Battle Tekken Pools
https://www.twitch
.tv/versusgameplay

>>187338756
>simplified
jesus this game is autistic

>>187342872
Lmao brainlet

>>187342918
Lmao autist

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I finally understand how Hwoarang works. He's actually fun to play legit rather than mashing kicks. I kinda want to go back to Tag 2 and see what combos I can come up with my other mains/subs. I still can't get the just frame f,n,df+4 though. Also, what are his best wall combos?

>>187342839
thanks
also, i've seen jin players try to sidestep 3,1 out of a wall combo, what follows it?

>>187341329
I'm guessing armor moves would beat them?

Feels good to back from vacation ~21 days with tekken baka

>>187342872
How could this colour coded sheet be any simpler you mongoloid?

>paul anakin
this gonna be good

>>187344423
that's the whole point you fucking retard

>>187345381
That the simple ass sheet is still too complex for you?

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>>187343350
It's a tie between RFF f+3, LFS f+3, LFS 3,f+4 (flashy and best damage) or d+2, WR 4,4 RFF 3.

JFSR.s input is a bit easier from RFF, like the 2 frames larger window or so, try it after say d/f+4 os SS+4.

>>187345569
>making a simplified color coded flowchart for a single characters command throws in a casual kusoge fighting game

>not autistic

>>187345758
>casual kusoge fighting game
Ok here's your reply.
I still don't see how that is autism either way. It isn't very difficult or time consuming.

>>187345758
Go back to fgg bro

Rip tournament

I thought the whole depression thing was a meme but when you get to mid level play (Yellow) it truely feels like you're in hell on earth because you're not bad but you're not good either. I miss being a fucking blue at least I was oblivious to how bad I am then.

>bringing your grandma to a fighting game tournament

lmaoooo
what is this

>>187340442
Miguel and Drag

>>187347309
yeah I know, someone playing lars

>>187347410
Take it back..

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Lars is good!

i wish there would be a way to the winner if the loser wants to rematch

>>187348325
what did he mean by this?

>>187348325
>>187348678
I wish there was a way to know for the winner if the loser wants to rematch*

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Was TTT2 a better game?

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>>187348814
I think so.

>>187348814
No

>>187347837
He looks ugly af in 7

>been playing since release
>nowhere near a level where i feel like im actually playing the game
>hard to improve cause people dont want to play me for more than 1-2 games on ranked, when i win they RQ, when i lose a close game they never rematch
eternal blue/green rank pleb life is suffering

>>187348814
In terms of content yes

In terms of gameplay no

>>187348814
TTT2 had more love put into it that's for sure
but no I don't think it was better gameplay wise.

>>187349284
Ok shut up none us care

>>187349284
>nowhere near a level where i feel like im actually playing the game
its easy as this
do you block 23i lows? do you drop your combos often? do you do wall combos?
if so, play other characters to learn their strings and their weaknesses

>>187349502
depends on the character, no, yes.

>>187349596
>depends on the character
go play practice mode with the characters that you dont.
make the ai do 3 or 4 different combos, and only punish them, by dodging or blocking.
thats how you learn to block/parry them
it worked for me. i though i had shitty reflexes, but its just a matter of practice

wtf i was playing agaisnt akuma on ps4 and it crashed when i won the first round. the error message said that i needed to install the new ps4 update... but there is no said update...

>>187349284
You can easily play longer sets with people from this general. I've done so a few times.

>>187348814
This is the best tekken gameplay wise.

What was steve's CH df2 combo in ttt2?

>>187350438
It was fucking bullshit they did a massive Nerf to his df2 because it would send the opponent too far to do much. So you had to ff2 b! Which was retarded and f21 to pick up

>tfw been playing since tekken 5 DR
>stuck in blue
JUST
JUST
JUST
JUST

>>187351076
ff2 feels as tight as drag's f1,ff2 combo.

What do I do if I have Tekken Revolution? I know the servers are shut down. Is there any way to still play it?

>>187352163
I played drag too and I'd hit his ff2 a lot more. Steve's b2 combo was so dumb it felt like b2, ff2 b! Was a just frame

>ate shit 0-20 to a lili player
Well I'm lost. I went into practice mode and looked at a bit of frame data and found that she's barely plus on anything so I wasn't getting frame trapped to death.

Am I right in assuming that she basically has no mixups after she does a backturn attack? Alongside that, how am I supposed to approach Lili? Seems like a lot of high risk with the way her moveset looks to me.

>>187352848
she does have some high rish moves. the only + move on block is df3 (+3OC), qcf3+4 (+6), and b1~f (+1).

Lili in general is weak to ssl, avoid doing moves at range 1.5~2 since it will most likely be beaten by df3+4. avoid pressing buttons after ff4 since that is +4 on hit, abuse the fact that her df1 has shitty range and tracking, and her homing moves are all i20+ on startup.

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>>187353758
Thanks for the pointers.

>>187352848
There's generic mixup with b/d4/db from BT, I guess. So she can catch your jabs with db or block hopkick with b, or crush jabs with d4.

>>187351738
did you play Tekken seriously though? I've played all of the Tekken games but 7 is the first one I've taken seriously and bothered to actually learn combos and stuff

>>187351738
>first tekken
>stuck in green
JUST

6 decides my main
lars or lili
lars can look pretty damn badass with the right customisation
lili is the cutest
i can't decide

>>187354272
You're playing Lars

>>187354272
Both are for bitches so it really doesn't matter in the end

>>187354436
which characters arent for bitches

>>187354543
mishimas

>>187354436
sounds like you're upset
and so am i since you rolled a fucking 6 without giving me an answer

>>187354543
Nina, yoshi, mishimas except DJ, Gigas

>>187354886
>the vast majority of the roster upsets me :(
lol
anyways even number for lars, uneven for lili, 0 for the bear

>>187355140

>>187355140
>>187355310
Welcome to the Panda club.

>>187355140
>I need someone to pick my bitch-made main!

Just
L O L
O
L

>>187355310
I meant my post, not a reply, didn't want to spam the thread with dumb shit more than I already have
still, two 0s, it's decided

>>187354543
Feng

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>Walk past Gllty at AB8
>Start sweating profusely.

>>187356371
did you suck her cog :DD ?

>>187356371
>>187356949
This is tekgen

can i make a tournament and not play in it
i just want to watch it

anyone has the picture for the kings/nina chain throws?

>>187354886
guess id better get practicing my ewgf

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>>187357749
>>187338756

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>master RDC
>too much of a chickenshit to use it because pressured as fuck, feel like pressing forward is a death sentence

>>187359995
you have to condition them first

>>187357749
The Nina one is in this thread

>>187360194
Kings pressure/antipressure game sucks. No mid strings, bunk lows, CH is high
You're mostly stuck BDing and punishing, which command throws are pretty risky for

>>187338030
The /tekgen/ document is coming along.

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>>187360467
use your pokes

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>tfw i can do kat's 444 in real life

>>187352523
>tfw I couldn't do either
But then again I started late in ttt2.

>>187359739
>>187360210
Thanks.

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>>187359739
Shit, this thing's almost completely accurate for once. Now just add Ultimate Tackle and Jaguar Driver.

>>187338030
if you play eddy you need to inhale the propane powering your favela

Does anyone actually play Nina or is that just a myth?

>>187365229
execution-boars

>>187361667
Autism

how do you stop gigas stupid rage art full screen unblockable bullshit

>>187365229
I main Nina and Lars
Acording to tekgen I don't exist and/or should kill myself

>>187366057
>>187366057
the same way you stop leos b14 u dont

>>187364814
I feel the same way about Ling and Lei, an eternal 50/50.

>>187366057
Hold back to block. If you see a flash start on his right shoulder, duck fast.

how the fuck do you stop yoshis down back 333333334 50/50 bullshit

>>187367343
You can low parry after the 2nd kick

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>>187367343
If You get hit by it, first 2 are guaranteed, you have to hold db to block of he does more, the 4 is 50/50

>>187360467

>Kings pressure/antipressure game sucks.

Not really. Kings only needs a jab and a d/f+1 and he can build his entire gameplan around them. His throws are basically his lows.

Of course, against decent opponents, all of this goes straight out the window if you can't iSW.

>>187367851

>you have to hold db to block of he does more, the 4 is 50/50

Nope. A WS 4 will beat out Yoshi's mid follow-up every single time. So will a throw.

if you're playing Steve, you can even right SWY and launch him if he tries for the mid.

>>187368012
you can only ws4 after you blocked it though

>>187368717

After blocking the lows, yes. You can literally mash 4 while in blockstun and it will beat out his mid every single time. If he doesn't do the mid, who cares? You're still perfectly safe.

>>187368872
hes actually less safe if he does nothing, hes -15 so most characters can launch him. but you're better off just doing ws4 every time so you dont get counter hit

>>187369206

I think it's even worse than that. He's like -18 or -19 on block and -7~-6 on hit. There's basically no reason for him not to fall down at the end and risk the float or hit the mid. Either way, mash that 4.

dedkken

>>187338030
So I'm still learning the basics of Tekken and getting the hang of the game, I've basically become really solid as Lars to the point where I win more casuals than lose, and I rank up fairly easy.

I'm trying to pick Jin, is there any tips you could give me other than use the god fist? (I can't really do the input at all)

>>187371532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpEdJKWzKYo

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jwzhS26up5wLSo3mHEvLBLojHmIjmwg5XklqDEOcagg/edit

Who can EWGF on pad show yourselves.

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>>187372147

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>Get to yellow ranks with Lili
>The fun stops
Oh man its nothing but Leos and Drags from here on out isn't it?

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>>187372147
I don't even play anyone who has it, but I don't have much issue with the input.

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Wheres the /vg/ tournaments?

>>187372147
Of course

>>187371912
It sort of seems that input is like half of his game, maybe I should learn someone else for now because I just cannot get it to ever come out.

>>187373872
It's a big part of every Mishima-style character's pressure game, and it takes a lot of practice, even more so to do it consistently in real matches.

That said you won't land many in a match. The one that you do will open up insane damage potential but in most matches it's the threat of getting hit by one in the back of your opponent's head that you're using against them rather than the fist itself.

I'd also say that Jin has more juggle options than Kazuya or Heihachi to make up for his hook fist having to be electric to get a solid launch

>>187374101
Jin seems like a lot of fun but that input is the bane of my existance right now, so I'll try someone else and see if I like them.

>>187373872

>maybe I should learn someone else for now because I just cannot get it to ever come out.

You probably should.

I don't mean to be harsh but there's usually one type of player who ends up with 1000+ wins in blue rank hell - and it's the Mishima player who can't do electrics and has to rely on hellsweep gimmicks instead.

>>187374302
Ya figured, I just wanted someone who's not too bad to learn, has a good amount of options, and plays differently than Lars.

>>187374379
try leo and bob

>>187374605
I don't wanna play a fag tranny yet and bob just doesn't interest me

>>187374645
then feng

>>187374645

Steve, Feng, King then. All of them play pretty differently.

>>187374645
Fucking fat-shaming bigot, I bet you wouldn't play Feng you racist

I hate tomboys.

I love tomboys!

I like Asuka but I'm starting to hate playing as her

I love Pretzel Daddy Geese

>>187375662
then stop playing her

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>>187372147

Hello friend.

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>>187372147
It causes hand cramps, but I can.

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GOD FUCKING DAMN IT I CAN'T WAIT FOR WINTER

>>187375942
Did you ever manage to nail the iWS+4 combos for Hei?

Official guide to what characters are ok to play online
So just writing a helpful newbie guide based on the posts I see here day to day. I'll start with the characters the community has decided you absolutely CANNOT play EVER and then finish with the officially forum-approved characters.
Chloe Tier : Never play or JOKE about playing. UNINSTALL.
Promotion match ragequit tier: Characters that people refuse to let rank up.


Paul: deathfist/demo spam EZ-mode

Katarina: mash 4 braindead

King: not really sure...can't mash out of throws? ********by a leopard IRL?

Claudio: hopkick

Dragunov: probably actually imbalanced, but still, babyrage

Hwoarang: Can't defend I guess? Not really sure where the hate is here it's a difficult char

Eddy: Capo trash
No Revenge Tier: Play them ONCE and ONLY if you're waiting for 10+ mins


Xiaoyu: She moves a lot and stuff

Jack: Because pros play him

Shaheen: lots of lows and he's easy I guess?

Jin & Devil Jin: Emo/Gay

Kazuya: DORYA SPAM

Josie: because Bruce is gone. **** her.

Alisa: don't know how to dodge projectile or get caught in spam

Law: WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAWWWWWWWWWWW

Akuma: Can't sidestep fireballs

Kazumi: for wanna-be Mishima players with no real skillz
Girl Tier: All other girl characters because ALL GIRL CHARACTERS ARE EZ MODE (Seriously this is sad all the time)

Eliza

Nina

Master Raven

Asuka

Lili

Leo
Nonsensical reason tier: Things that were said that were just...WHAT?


Feng: because he "didn't know how to defend against him"

Lars: not sure but "Lars players" is a perjorative

Bryan: triggered by his victory cutscene
So here we go guys, the OFFICIAL list of characters that are ok to play online!!!

Panda/Kuma

Lee

Bob

Miguel

Yoshimitsu

Heihachi

Steve

Gigas
I hope this guide has been helpful! Please sticky.

>>187378840
Top quality post right there you fucking retard.

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>>187378840

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>>187378840
Is this /fgg/

>>187378840

Have to be honest, the only character I don't rematch is Eddy because ain't nobody got time for that shit.

I wish the silent endings could make a comeback, they had a lot of character.

>>187379259
I wish KO replays made a comeback.

>>187379113
No, that's the steam forums.

>>187379442
Same difference.

Guy help, Katarina is becoming fun to play

>>187380101
Then play her.

>>187380101
heres what you do bring the barrel of the gun to your temple.....

Fuck unseeable lows.
Fuck command throws that are quick and undiscrnable.
Fuck this game is so broken.

>Devil Jin is supposedly so good.
>has no good tourney results.
> has few players.
yeah ok.

So when using hitboxes if you press both down and up at the same time the "up" command is supposed to "win", on the keyboard however (at least the mechanical one I've got) if I press both buttons at the same time they nullify each other.
Is that just a hitbox exclusive niche?

>>187381180
Keyboard don't have built-in SOCD (Simultaneous Opposite Cardinal Directions) cleaners.
However the game does it for you if you don't bind a cardinal direction to a modifier key.
You most likely bound Up to RCTRL

>>187381740
Scrap that, even on normal keys I get up+down=neutral instead of up

Guess the characters

MOOR HA
URRAAAAAAGH
EEYAH
CHESTO
KA
DORYA
SEYAAH
SHORU
YEEAAAH
TERRRYAH

>>187381939
Katarina
Paul
Leo
?
Bryan
Kazuya
Feng
Akuma
Lucky Chloe
?

1-5 Lars
6-0 Jin
42 Kuma

>>187381939
>>187382027
4th - Jin
Don't know who's last.
Guess who is it
TWAH

>>187382027
>>187382287
Last is Miguel.

>TWAH
Law?

>>187382363
Wouldn't Law be
WOOOOOOOOOHHHHH

>>187380736
"Unseeable" lows are not a problem as long as the reward is not very high. Think of them as chip damage and if the opponent keeps spamming them go for a low parry.

"Seeable" low launchers are bullshit online however as they are often barely blockable on reaction due to lag and lead to big damage combos typically.

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>>187382287

>>187382742
Bingo.

>>187382759
cody

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Next character I learn and get in yellow:
1-2 - Paul
3-4 - Law
5-6 - Jin
7 - Feng
8 - Eddy
9 - King
0 - Random Bear

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>>187384093
Fucking monkey.

ded gaem
ded thread

I wish they would drop this WW3 arc they have. So fucking stupid.

Having half the stages be battlefields is boring af

>>187387582
is this game dead in europe west?

>>187389417

it's so dead I've fought at least 4 people in the past 20 minutes

>>187389417
no

>>187389008

Literally one battlefield stage.

>>187365229
Me, she's fun

>>187390141
Artic Snowfall
G Corp Helipad might as well be with that random ass helicopter
Jungle outpost with the downed aircraft

Maybe not battlefield. But it's still war themed and boring as shit.

T6 was full of t hay shit and that's why it has the worst stages in the series.

>>187381939
Shoru is either akuma or yoshi.

Eurobros ready to get stomped?

>>187391387

what does that even mean?

>>187391387
What?

>>187391623
>>187391645
I should have phrased that a bit better

https://smash.gg/tournament/tekken-world-tour-online-2017-europe-west-steam-1

>>187391623
>>187391645
Wow lads

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>>187378840
>Girl Tier: All other girl characters because ALL GIRL CHARACTERS ARE EZ MODE
meanwhile one of the hardest characters in the game..

>>187392052
Nina is fucking awesome. If it was less investment I'd probably pick her up but I already have a massive project in Kazuya

>>187361105
>green rank
Thanks for the opinion, but no thanks

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What the most aggravating life sucking move in this game to get hit by and why is it Hwoarangs Backlash?
>Always leads into a 60%+ combo
>Slow as fuck so you just enough time to contemplate all the mistakes you have made in life leading up to that point
>Just to pour salt on the wound Harada made it a high so you could have could have ducked it but you didn't you stupid fuck

>>187392897
King's low Launcher Lariat. Every time it's like "I'm a fucking idiot" and eat a powerbomb combo

>>187392052
>K-brad is playing Nina in the newest EP of excellent adventurs
Im ready for the army of Ninas that's about to invade online.
Every fucking time.I almost exclusively saw Laura players in SFV after Strider had been on.

I just want anyone here to know that if you're one of those people who leave after 1 loss online you are a fucking maggot shitcunt and I would bend your teeth out of your skull with hammer if I ever met you irl

>>187393435
>thinking excellent adventures matters in Tekken

It's all about Aris

>>187393651
Are people not giving you the free wins you "deserve"?

what are the inputs keyboard/ hitbox users use to kbd?

>>187393651
Why? I'd understand if they quit after winning one game but why do you get upset if you win one and they lose?

>>187393651
>want to go to the bathroom
>tfw forced to go to deathmatch prison with autists to avoid getting assaulted

>>187392052
(Un)surpringly she is the least picked girl in my area. Because people who want Waifus also suck at the game and mash, which is why I get really excited when I am matched against some Waifutard.

>>187393651
Who do you play shitter?

>>187393868
Left side: hold left and alternate between down and right
Right side: hold right and alternate between down and left

>>187393868
I do bootlet kbds with bb qcb b qcb b qcb b because >>187393990 isn't fast enough on keyboard for me

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>>187394052
bootleg I mean

>>187393792
Naw people care to much about their precious rank, I just want to play sets but people leaving immediately makes it impossible

>>187393929
I wouldnt complain if it was a sometimes thing, but you notice paterns after a while, the same people do the same thing every time

>its a defensive player with a perfect KBD on an infinite stage
I never rematch this shit. I love when I get the same guy again on a walled stage and absolutely push their shit in though.

Is PC dead yet outside of Europe and asia? Haven't played it in several weeks

is there anything more fun in fighting games than playing yoshimitsu?

>>187395052
I play on NA, east coast and I've been playing PC since release, get games very often even during dead hours(2-4am)
At most I am waiting a minute in yellow/orange ranks, on green ranks its basically instant
So I'd say it's fine. Though I do see the same people often.

>>187395741
>green ranks its basically instant
Do you search 5 bars only? I usually have to wait 5 -10 minutes to find a game just for someone to decline even during active hours

>>187396075
4+
I don't really think 5 bars is necessary and a lot of times 5 bar feels no different from 4 bar to me. Not to mention sometimes the 5 bar is actually a 4 bar anyway.
I also play Nina so execution is important yet I haven't felt the need to do 5 only. I don't really drop combos or anything.
Just do 4+

>>187338479

ff3 until they start teching, then wavedashing into their face for ff4/hellsweep mixup

Does anyone ever feel discouraged from playing a character because there's too many of those characters online? I want to play Whore-ang but I keep running into them online. Feels bad playing against then. Feels bad losing to them.

>>187341329
it's super fun to jump kick them out of the air

>>187396736
You're the first person I hear not having problems with matches and having 4 bar matches playing like 4-bar matches.

>>187396736
>I don't really think 5 bars is necessary and a lot of times 5 bar feels no different from 4 bar to me. Not to mention sometimes the 5 bar is actually a 4 bar anyway.

Yeah but on the other hand 4 bar often turns out to be 3.

I fought a Katarina with 2000 wins in quickplay who could only sweep, hopkick, and combo with 4444. I didn't know these kinds of players existed.

>>187396849
No we don't get discouraged by it. Just play HowWrong if you want.

>>187396954
>>187396959
I still get 3-bar matches, but it's a 1/10 thing, and they're never that bad. When someone legitimatly has awful connection it's obvious from the start, and I just don't rematch them and keep note of their name.
For every mexican King player on wifi I get 20 solid matches with good connection so honestly I don't mind.

Maybe my connection is just really good, dunno.

>>187393651
i rematch every time i lose no matter how long it takes and then immediately win quit

>>187374874
>>187374735
>>187374695
I wirr rearn feng, ding dong ding

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>>187398352

I like Nina's play-style then found out she's a back sway character.
I am so fucking sad. I have a stock sanwa JLF and can't do the proper Korean backdash.

>>187397329
no 112? It's +7 on block.

>>187393651
If you're one of those 3 win Warriors with a Genbu main, I'm not interested in a rematch. No hard feelings, but I want to play against the people I'm supposed to be fighting. Not against someone who's got 10x my experience.
Also if you're playing Akuma, Ling, Leo or Eddy, I may or may not rematch. Sometimes I'm not in the mood for it. Again, no hard feelings, but your character isn't fun to play against.

>Other guy is going for a sweep
>only reaction is to hold back

FUCK

>>187399183
Scrub

>>187399223
That's better than the reaction of pressing buttons the moment something moves.
So many counterhits eaten.

>>187399183
i always get my ass blasted for as many rounds as theyll play me

i figure ill at least learn something

>>187396954

The latest patch fixed the 4-bar being 3-bar game problem for me. I also get matches instantly after 1.04, I don't even have time to do one combo before the match prompt. Yellow ranks btw

>tfw didn't go 0-2 in the tourney
feels good man

Bored of Eliza she has no fucking mix ups and all of her moves are telegraphed a year in advanced. Who can i switch to thats fun go play online and possibly cause rage for opponents?

>>187400675
same here. I end up playing a ton more than intended because the matches pop up right after you get back to warm up.
Sometimes I get a 3 bar but it is usually a wifi motherfucker because it will fluctuate between 3 and 4 during the match.

Please tell me Kazumi has more useful moves than 112, d/f1 and 2, fff2, ff2, and d2. I knew she had a short move set but Jesus Christ.

Who do you think will look best in a Fundoshi?

>>187401146
nope enjoy your d/f+1 and 1,1 spam

>>187399223
i suggest trying to hopkick.
thats the only way i can react to slow low launchers, for some reason.
i dont react quickly enough to block or low parry them, but i can low crush them in time

>>187401146
db 4 for low, gotta do something to get those df 1's in. Also magic 4.
FF4 launches, but it's really slow so for me it just always gets blocked.
Maybe rare tiger and fly stuff if you want to be gimmicky.

>>187401217
>Bob in a fundoshi

aww shit

>>187401217
gigas

what does asuka smell like?

>>187402552
sweat and halitosis

Why is Bob so unpopular in T7? He has good damage, good pokes, excellent whiff punishing and the only real downside is that he doesn't have a 15f launcher. Also easy as fuck to use.

>>187381117
It's the same shit with M.Bison in SFV when it launched and near launch.

He was considered really good, but no one played him competitively.

>Second guest character is revealed
>its Makoto Nanaya

>>187401146
f2
d3
u/f 4
b2
4
3, 2
1+2

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>>187374302
>I don't mean to be harsh but there's usually one type of player who ends up with 1000+ wins in blue rank hell - and it's the Mishima player who can't do electrics and has to rely on hellsweep gimmicks instead.

>>187392000
Most Used Character
Asuka
Used 25 times

Character Used
Asuka
25
Dragunov
20
Jin
15
Bryan
13
Lili
13
Alisa
12
Leo
11
Hwoarang
11
Paul
10
Katarina
10
Josie
9
Steve
9
Feng
9
Law
8
Kazumi
8
Xiaoyu
7
Gigas
7
Miguel
7
Claudio
6
Kazuya
6
Eliza
6
Lucky Chloe
6
Jack-7
5
Nina
5
Master Raven
4
Shaheen
4
Eddy
3
Heihachi
3
Devil Jin
3
King
2
Yoshimitsu
1


Only 2 kings, wew.

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>>187402552
Sweat tomboy or Parfume gal depending on your tastes

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>>187402973
>Makoto

y e s

e

s

>Nanaya
no

>>187397750
Same, its really a struggle sometimes lol

>>187399183
Paul, and Fighter if you were wondering. obvs death fist can be annoying, but as others have said it is disappointing to be someone who rematches on every loss, only to get win quit after a single victory. Scumbaggery at its finest right there, but oh well, what can you do.

>>187403256
it only took me 200 wins as jin kazama to consistently do electrics.
what i cant do consistently is block lows and learn how to properly punish strings...

>>187402917
cause he is fat and his jumps are very telegraphic of whats he going to do

MBC is so funny to watch

>>187401217
heihachi no doubt

This game is fun when you start fishing for low parry all day and not caring losing.

I fucking hate this game.

>>187404597
the best feeling in the world is playing jin, parrying their attacks into your RA

>>187403256
>tfw can do electrics consistently
>shit at every other part of the game

>>187404597
landing a round start low parry is the best feeling

>>187403951
>expecting rematches while playing Paul

>>187405068
You get rematches in orange+

>>187393651
any time i beat someone once and they leave i get a bit sad cause theres so many times where ive gotten stomped game 1, and then came back to win the next matches cause i thought about what i lost to, and the 1 loss quit player will never experience this and enjoy this part of fighting games.

>eliminated harry potter
am I a scrub for using Eliza?

>>187406565
yes but only because you asked that

>closing on 400 wins in blue wanks

heh

>>187399010
https://youtu.be/BtwwejuRAx8
Til you learn how to do it you can do backdash sidestep backdash repeatedly in a match

>>187402917
Because he's fat. That's why there were so many slim bobs in tag 2.
What a shame, I think he's one of the only cool fat character in fighting games.

>>187407301
The win number shaming is a pretty dumb meme. As if new players should be orange (where people who've played the game 10+ years are settling) just my massing games over a few months.

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>try to sidestep or KBD online
>character just spazzes in place

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>don't press buttons now you'll get launched
>press buttons anyway

>>187407893
>thinks Bob is cool
Gross

>>187408409

>he doesn't practice with latency set to 4 bars

Although I don't even know why KBD would be affected by latency. You don't need any visual feedback to KBD.

>>187401437
You are not reacting then, those are random/read hopicks.
If you see a 23 frame move and use a 15 frame hopkick "on reaction" you reacted after about 16 frames, because the hopkick only begins to crush after 7 frames.

If you ever blocked a sweep on reaction you know how tight the timing is for your reaction, you can't squeeze a hopkick in.

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>>187407893

it's a shame. Slim bob is actually a character worth playing.

>>187408409
online is for memes and gimmicks

all online fighting games are literally kusoge, no matter how good they are offline

Lili is hella cross-eyed in OP pic.

>>187409039
There's no difference on 4-5 bar

>>187409657
Because she's a brain dead character duh.

>>187408913

Slim bob looks cool until he uses a move that only makes sense with fat bob's character model.

He does a lot of belly attacks that just don't match the appearance of the character.

when saint manages to just do essentially a wavedash with jack and his opponents dont press a single button, what moves are they respecting?
ff1? db1?

>>187410083
ff1 leads into emgf or whatever it's called, db1 doesn't lead to shit

why does everything MRaven does high crush

>>187409747
t. snake edging shitter

>>187410734
I can react to them on certain 3 bars, too. If you can actually block them you will feel when the lag eats your input, and it doesn't happen as often as people say.

>Bob's safe power crush

>>187410161
oh so its just the ff1 thats the scary part?
i thought there was a low option that had people scared
ff1 is pretty nuts huh

>>187411319
oh I was just comparing the two, I'm no jack player

so what low launchers can actually be blocked and launched, and what others have to be low parried or else you can only get a ws4?

>>187411056
His powercrush is safe only if it connects on the last active frame, and I honestly have trouble even replicating that in traning mode.

>>187411932
the frame data will tel you

>>187412265
isnt there like a spreadsheet or a reference table or something to take a quick look before fighting someone?
i think it should be useful

>>187412536
yea its called rbnorway or t7 chicken app

Is Gigas really unusable levels of bad?
I really want to play him but I know how frustrating playing shitty characters can be.

Also, I never see anyone use his stance. What's up with that?

Is there a list of hidden moves somewhere? Just found out that Miguel has a follow up to his ff+2 that isn't in his movelist and now I'm curious about what other characters might have.

>>187413579

>>187412696

>>187372147
>Who can EWGF on pad show yourselves.

I can do three EWGF in a row that hit with a pad. Not all the time though, 5 times out of 10.

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>tfw managed to beat a 2 bar Dragunov but not Devil Jin in the tourney

2-2 isn't THAT bad right?

>>187413391
Feel like people just look at a tier list and think he's automatically bad. I wouldn't say he's great but not bad for sure. He has good range and probably the best 10 frame punish in the game. He'll struggle more than others i think if the opponent knows the character really well.

can anyone red pill me on Heihachi? This combo pastebin https://pastebin.com/NEFqk0nZ and the Top 15 move list has been a huge help but I'm still having some trouble with general gameplan stuff.

It's making me sad how SFV is getting so many characters, and we get Geese in like 6 fucking months and then another one in yet again 6-8 fucking months

http://www.strawpoll.me/13801398

>>187415376
yeah I wish we got some returning characters to fill the space

>>187413579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn04fAq20Yc
don't you love the joy of discovery, anon?

>>187415376
Would you fucking seriously rather have 16 characters on lauch and then 6 a year as a fucking DLC, than to have 36 on launch and 2 later?
Would you also prefer the customization options to be sold separatel? Does the game need some more 10 dollar levels that are unusable in tournaments?

>>187416000
This. The base roster is much bigger. What a dumb complaint>>187415376

>>187415376
>>187416000
Yeah SFV started with like 10 characters lmao, don't think it's a good example. Plus who knows we might get surprised this winter with a classic character or 2.

Am I a bitch if I play regular Jin?

>>187417183
why would you be

>>187417183
Jin players and Hwo players are bitches but it's better to be a bitch than a caveman.

>>187417590
what does this mean

>>187417183
No, but you are for worrying about it.

>>187417676
It's just old school Tekken memes that people who play Jin and Hwo are bitches. play whoever you want.

>>187417742
i mean the caveman thingy
what characters are supposedly for cavemen

>>187417841
Paul, Leo, Dragunov

>>187408601
Shut up, I like his backstory

>>187417841
i was just making a crack about easy characters, don't read into it.

>>187418010
SPEED

>>187418116
AND

>>187418362
ANYTIME

>>187418418
hahahahaahahahahha

>>187416000
Your forgetting that Tekken 7 is 2 years old already counting its arcade release while SFV is a year old and rushed to release (not that I'm really defending it).

Also the announced T7 dlc is awful. All we know about so far is the bowling/bikini that most people could care less about. Geese who everyone was hype for but is still months away and some other guest character.

People are literally begging for returning character dlc but they have absolutely zero plans for them.

>fight Eliza player
>they taunt after every round and and play out her long ass outro

:^) haha you got me mate! the character i encounter once every month, i got severely outplayed, well done

>>187419481
>bikini that most people could care less about
uhh I care very much about more tits and ass

>>187419481
The DLCs are whack but a good amount of people wanted the bikins which are already in the game.

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>>187393929
>he doesn't have a toilet chair

>>187419760
Mad as fuck lmao

Give me the lowdown on Gigass

>>187338030
>tfw SFV has an Egyptian waifu while tekken 7 does not
yo, what the fuck man

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>>187422406
early 2018

what's my ideal anti-air combo as katarina? I usually 2,2 to get them out of the air then follow up with 4,4,4

>>187421654
good range, good damage and shit everything else

>>187422868
Good thing nothing else matters

>>187422868
>good damage
no
>>187421654
bad lows, bad sidestep, good mixups (when close), good keepout with long arms, but if you press ONE wrong button prepare for asscancer

>>187423029
nah his db2 is fine
people don't react to that online, if they block or parry it then they had a read to it

>>187415250
The Tekken 7 character dump in the sticky has a good amount of information.

As far as gameplan, Heihachi is probably the easiest of the three Mishimas but he's still hard because he's a Mishima. Hei's main thing is that he has great mobility because he's a mishima, and is able to be relentlessly aggressive due to his oppressive range 0 moves like DF+1 and jab strings. His lows are high risk high reward, doing nasty chunks of damage but being very unsafe.

You want to play Heihachi right in the opponents face, relentlessly pressuring them and waiting to blow their shit up with an EWGF, a OTGF or a FF+2 into a combo that hits like a truck.

The only REALLY hard thing about Hei is typical Mishima shit: wavedashing and EWGF. If you can get past that initial execution barrier, he's a fairly straightforward character that is arguably the most aggressive rushdown in the game given how much raw damage he puts out. If I had to make a comparison, Hworang is a sword that cuts you up a million times. Heihachi is a club that beats you to death in such a short amount of time you don't even know what happened.

Power is everything.

>>187423029
*throws you into a wall for 90 damage*

>>187423351
Mishima...

>>187423340
What makes you say Heihachi is the easiest Mishima?

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Damn, I'm in love with Chloe's Ki charge.

>>187423559
Kazuya is impossibly hard to play due to him being a character that is incredibly dependent on game knowledge and experience. You have to play Kaz super defensive and just know how to punish everything. He's a legacy character.

Devil Jin is hard because there's so much to him.

Heihachi, if you have a good amount of previous fighting game experience, is certainly not easy but a doable character if you really sit down on it. at least easier than Kaz or DJ. Once you have EWGF down, that's the biggest hurdle.

>>187423959
also i'm not saying HEY NEWER PLAYERS LINE UP AND LEARN HEIHACHI but if this is your first Tekken and you have good amounts of previous fighting game experience under your belt and like to play aggressive, you can do it. Just takes a little more doing than the others.

>>187423559
heihachi has crazy good safe mids to abuse, making him super sticky and hard to get out of your face.
kazuya for example has next to no good mids to poke and be annoying with, so you live and die by your movement, execution and game knowledge.
if you can do electrics consistently, your damage output with heihachi is super high, 70-100+dmg punishes depending on rage.

I got to my yellow promos for the first time but got bodied by an alt on a 20 win streak

>>187423559
Heihachi's aggression is pretty simplistic with crazy mid and high pokes. df/1 alone is difficult to deal with. once you figure out his typical difficult mishima shit, he just becomes a hyper aggressive poking character that does insane damage and also has all the benefits of being a mishima.

>>187423959
>>187424697
>>187425046
thanks lads. is the main man's ttt2 heihachi tutorial worth watching to get started or is it outdated?

>>187423312
that low is good, but you have to super close to do it, so it's very readable...
>>187423425
throws are pretty easy to break, but yeah he has some big damage stuff I guess

>>187425195
Don't bother with that shit. The only Main Man videos that are worth watching are wavedash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDycsZYw56o and EWGF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ45XhqFgyU

And even then, you shouldn't be worried about EWGF right now. Figure out Hei's best moves and combos that don't have EWGF at all. Once you have a good feel for him, learn EWGF. THEN learn wavedashing.

>>187415250
he does Paul damage but is in your shit.

>>187425195
it's probably still somewhat relevant, LevelUpYourGame also has a TTT2 heihachi breakdown. just take them with a grain of salt cause framedata, move properties, damage, combos etc will be different.

i think if you can just mess around with hei and use the moves that have been talked about in this thread effectively, you'll do fine.

dont worry too much about not being able to do electrics/wavedashes at this point, at low ranks people cant punish normal WGF on block anyway so you can get away with some free practice mid match and i think most (if not all) of heihachis electric combos work with normal WGFs aswell