/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

>>187275739
I want to fuck that spider.

The realization that Vox Pop doesn't work with other mods at all is just...crushing. All that enhanced gameplay for nothing.

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Anyone here plays Dominions?

What's going to be in the new Stellaris update?

>>187277047
5$ to know, dear customer!

>>187277047
A better question is when the fuck is it coming out

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HAK HAK HAK

>>187275849
Which other mods?

Spiders will pay for that wall.

>DISTANT WOLRDS : UNIVERSE
>https://pastebin.com/hubsc3ZS
Based spider OP

How useful/interesting are these things?
Is there anything which I've missed or which is still confusing?
Is there anything I've got horribly wrong and I'm misleading people like a giant faggot?

>>187278228
>tripfag likes spiderfag

>>187279084
I like spiderbro too.

>>187279084
I want to circlejerk with spiderfag too.

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Bro weed lmao

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In CIV5 BNW, when doing ICS, what is your favorite approach?

I find Egypt to be incredibly powerful.

Personally I go this route roughly:
>Pottery for shrine
>If enough of other plays seems to want to be religious: Yolo on stonehenge
Then
>Get settler policy in liberty, then open piety and get the two tier1 policies, then finish liberty, then finish piety.

For religion I do
>Goddess of Love = +1 Happiness from cities with Population of 6+
>Church Property = +2 Gold for each City following this religion (Helps economic stress of rapid settling and roads)
>Mosques & Pagodas = 3 Happiness, 5 Faith, 4 culture per city
>Itinerant Preachers = Religion spreads to cities 30% further away (Once you convert 1 or 2 cities, it snowballs to ALL of your cities very fast).

The reason for the Pantheon is that your temple replacement (Burial Tomb) gives 2 happiness as well. So 2 From temple, 3 From religious buildings. With 5 happiness free citizens at no money cost (Burial tomb has no maintance, religious buildings cost faith), then you get 1 more because of your pantheon.

So this, with policies, allows you to have cities with 6 people costing only 2 unhappiness for city and then 0 for people.

I've manage to settle 9 or more cities before turn 100. Usually they all have between 3 and 6 people too. When I do this, I also have positive gold and happiness.

Pic is screen-cap from a consistent result of the strategy.

first for spiderbro cheering

>>187280057
>first
Yeah, well, sorry about that...

>>187280148
well at least we're all cheering for spiderbro

>>187280171
I'm not

There's always a contrarian.

>>187280486
No there isn't.

Which games have the best economy, management - etc which really keep you focused on that sort of stuff?

>>187280814
I'd say Startopia, but it's a personal taste.
Supreme Commander put a lot of emphasis on economy too.

>>187280814
Age of Empires 2

>>187280814
football manager 2012

>>187281154
>those ugly regen faces
No thanks

>>187280001
Something similiar, but with either Spain (easy mode) or Byzanthium (hard as balls mode), all in Diety difficulty, where getting a religion is almost impossible until you roll a good faith start.
Anyway, by just getting the religion i go:
>Whatever pantheon gives the most faith early depending on the start
>Tithe (much better on the medium-long term)
>Mosques Pagodas and Cathedrals with byzantium, the former two with Spain
>Missionary cost reduction
The result is similiar to yours with Egypt, but a bit worse. Mainly because i have to spend even more faith on a third religious building for only very slightly better returns than Egypt Unique Building. I do find the missionary cost reduction essential though, once you get rolling with the ICS you gain a buttload of faith and with missionaries you can immediatly set up a city for religious purchases instead of waiting for it to spread.

Did i mention playing Byzanthium at Diety has proven to be the hardest game yet? Good luck getting a religion before the others eat up all the best beliefs, better restart son.

>>187281426
disable them

>>187275927
>Anyone here plays Dominions
I tried it a few times but never got into it.

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>>187284884
What do you usually prefer?
Simpler stuff, or better looking stuff?

>>187284981
I play most other strategy games, Civ/ES/Paradox etc. but just never got into Dominions for some reason. Maybe it just didn't feel very intuitive. Should have read some guides I suppose.
And I like better looking games I guess. Complexity doesn't bother me as much.

>>187285437
Ha, if it's graphisms, then yeah, can't help you.
For the rest, Dominions is very frustrating because there's no real competitive scene, so there's no real guide to follow. Everything depends from the situation and your own playstyle.

what are some good map pack and where to get them for civ v that work with voc populi?

>>187285521
The closest thing to a competitive scene is /v/anheim the steam group or /domg/ on this very board.

>>187286576
Try the steam workshop. That's what I did

>>187287763
and for pirates?

>>187275849

?

It should work with other mods, it will just be completely unbalanced depending on what you use. I know I used other mods with it when it was called CPP.

https://youtu.be/D7uuz0RW_z8

You guys seen this?

Does Vox Pop work in MP? And thoughts on NQmod. Is one recommended over the other for a specific use case?

>>187288591
Capitalism gone wrong. Or very right if you are the guy who can afford war bonds.

>>187288090
Don't map scripts and custom worlds just get treated like mods?
Just drop them in the mod folder and enable them on start.
Or does this not work in every case, or specificaly not with vox?

>>187290964
I'm not sure, I'll give it a try

>>187288614
Very unstable in MP, not worth the hassle.

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Should i do it /cbg/?

>>18729187
You better record it

new to 4x a week ago I got age of wonder 3 on special and have been playing it since I want to play as a peaceful empire but no AI ever accepts peace treaty until you destroy 80% of city

tldr: is there a game with more fleshed out diplomacy then aow 3

>>187291872
Do it faggot

>>187291872
Destroy what?

>>187291924
Pfff... Honestly, outside of grand strategy games, diplomacy is usually very basic in strategy games.

What space games have a lot of freedom but focus on a single unit? Sorta like Spore did it on space stage.

Even if if's not themed in space, I would just like to know more games like that.

>>187291993
what grand strategy games do you suggest?

btw I hate reading wall of text so keep it modern

>>187291924
Stellaris
>>187292038
Starpoint Gemini Warlords

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>>187291927
>>187291993
im doing it bois im gonna fucking do it

>>187292038
Beyond Sol, Space Pirates and Zombies, the Space Rangers game, Freelancer...
Finding strategy games focused on a single unit will be harder, probably X3, Starpoint Gemini, Evochron Mercenary...

>>187292095
Honestly, I'm not sure. Obviously Paradox's games (Europa Universalis and Crusader Kings) have some deep diplomacy. Avoid Stellaris, tho. Maybe Distant Worlds as well, but it's skippable, it can be resumed to "don't kill me while I kill everyone else".
Otherwise, the Last Federation is all about diplomacy, including keeping two races from killing each others.

>>187292225
WAIT, YOU MEANT THE DAM?

DON'T DO IT!

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>>187292225
shieeeeeeeet

>>187292260
The Last Federation is 100% focused on a single ship too

Why do I see people here still talk about Civ V but there's barely any discussion about Civ VI? Is Civ VI garbage or what?

>>187292407
NO

>>187292476
Yep, the water god needs his sacrifices

>>187292407
>some nigger got thirsty so he flooded an entire city

>>187292472
yes

>>187292410
Yeah, but it's not really strategy, it's more of a shmup with diplomacy. I was under the impression >>187292038 wanted a lot of freedom, and TLF is kinda limited, since most of the stuff is text.

>>187292407
WORSE THAN HITLER

>>187292407
City of the Dammed

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>>187292584
fuck you

>>187292584
That was good.

>>187292472

I think there's just a couple of fags playing VP.

With Civ VI there's not really much to talk about.

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>>187292407
webm soon
>>187292476
>>187292567
>>187292571
>>187292584

>>187292571
Ye I just want to think constantly, not just be amazed by colors but in retrospective realize that I was just doing a routine while pressing 3 big colored buttons that had indicators around them, I like that type of freedom where you can think and have impact and options ... and so on.

>>187293413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs0jlbWqpMc related.

>>187293976
You wouldn't like TLF. Even bloody Star Control 2 would be more up your alley.

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>>187293413
behold

>>187294491
Weird how colourful the city looks at night. You'd think after that wave, it would look washed out.

>>187294491
I like the water physic.
But damn, that was a lot of water for a small river.

>>187292472
Civ 6 has some great ideas and improvements that really set the foundation for a good game. But its just a foundation. Without expansions or a big fucking mod or something its fucking content scarce there aren't many civs to play as you dont have a lot of ways to customize your empire, era based mechanics like world congress, ideologies etc aren't present.

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>>187294612
yeah, the roads don't seem to be affected by water, it's a shame
>>187294702
>small river
it's a fuckhuge lake after i dammed it

>>187295245
good job anon

now you must do the same but with a waste dump

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>>187297271
good idea

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>>187297701

>>187297862
so this is what it feels to get blacked

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>>187297862
JUST

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>>187298335

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>>187298335
>>187298534
>driving towards the flood

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This fucking guy....

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>>187298534
last one

>>187300253
I hope you feel horrible.

>>187277047
Leader skills are being changed so that everybody starts out at 1* and you can go up to 10* depending on your government/etc.

Missiles are getting buffed.

Authoritarian governments are getting an influence buff, and there's a new feudal civic to encourage vassal play.

The robot DLC that I assume you'll be pirating at the same time introduces robotic hiveminds. They have mechanical traits instead of biological traits, which the fans think is different somehow. Play is expected to emphasize resettlement.

>>187300574
but anon
i want to flood the world

>>187299814
If you wanted it you should have put an outpost on it.

>>187275927
It's bretty gud/10

>>187299814
lmao
>can't ask them to not settle there
>only option is to go to war
>abandon settlement
>equivalent to genociding billions of people
>everyone hates you forever
the absolute state of diplomacy in stellaris

>>187302039
Diplomacy in Stellaris is absolutely fucking shit that I have basically no reason not to genocide the everliving shit out of everything that isn't my empire.

How many stars are in our galaxy and when can we expect a pc powerful enough to simulate it in stellaris without lag?

>>187302490
>How many stars are in our galaxy
Imagine the biggest number you can think of.
Then multiply it by 1 000.

>when can we expect a pc powerful enough to simulate it in stellaris without lag
In 20 years.

>>187302639
So close to infinite then ?
But 20 years isn't that far.

>>187302490
100 billion stars. The Clausewitz Engine, which Stellaris and Hearts of Iron 4 run on, will never be able to support that size of galaxy, not that it would be fun anyway.

>>187302490
>How many stars are in our galaxy
1000000000000.
Enjoy your billion years game.

>>187302908
Nothing is infinite.

>>187303237
my love for you is

>>187303237
the energy required to accelerate an object to the speed of light is infinite

>>187303474
I think I hear Flash laughing.

>>187303232
If the game had more dynamic events for formation of new races and rebellions were also a thing that could be pretty cool with some races dying out and others taking their place.

>>187302490
2x10^11 to 4x10^11

>>187303474
Unless that object is a photon.

>>187304714
Or my self-esteem.

>>187303640
It's called the real world.

>>187304796
or my dick

>>187301305
Abrahamic God, not even once.

>>187304917
it's k
he'll make a rainbow afterwards

>>187304884
Are you a girl?

>>187305527
Go away YHVH.

>>187305781
i'm gonna turn your whole family into fucking salt
see if i don't bitch

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Who deserves safety in my great castles?

>>187306327
>+213 faith per turn
The clergy

>>187306081
IT'S ON!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu2op9bM-bo

>>187306467
praise allah

>>187306327
What mod?

>>187304829
>the real world has intergalactic ottoman empire where xeno and humanity live in harmony

Where did you see that?

>>187307094
Vox pop with historical religions.

>>187307357
We are playing as a pre-FTL civ, come back in 250 years.

>>187307514
Is that mod fun btw?
Also what does it let you do aside from starting without an ftl drive?

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Well, I got lucky. I got loads of influence from a few events, colonized a planet right next to their border and contained this eye sore piece of shit planet with an outpost.

Those guys are my only allies and now I have massive border friction penalties.

They won't even trade that shitty planet for anything. What a load of crap.

>>187308368
That's a big picture.

>>187307514
>250
considering how fast research is going, we'll be space fairing within 25
we already have a theoretically functional warp drive, it just takes a lot of fucking energy to operate

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FUCK

>>187309905
>not eliminating them already
you asked for this

>>187302258
So just like the real life then?

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>>187309905
They cant keep getting away with this, right?

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>>187309197

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Here we go, place your bets.

>>187277681
>>187288485
Anything. I mean, they'll probably technically work, but will be so horribly unbalanced that it's practically cheating. Even stuff as simple and common as E&D and Civ IV leader traits are borderline cheating with Vox. And god help you if you try to use modded civs.

How many components of this thing work in the base game? The better CS stuff for sure, maybe the Civ IV diplomacy stuff. Is there any way to get this much improved AI in the regular game? That's easly Vox's strongest feature.

>>187303474
the energy required to accelerate a (((((massive))))) object to the speed of light is infinite

>>187309905
That's what you get for allying with your next door neighbours. The AI next to you generally is willing to ally with you if your strength is similar (unless they're xenophobic in some way) because they know it will stop you from warring them.

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I always felt it was stupid in Stellaris how all the species start out at the same technological level. It's like us leaving Earth only to find that all the other alien civilizations are doing the same thing at the same time as us - with the massive time spans of our universe that is simple extremely improbable. We do have the fallen empires which are an example of what I'm talking about done kinda right, but I just wish the 4x symmetrical start could be shaken up, possibly with an option when setting up a game.

gif unrelated

>>187314214
There are still primitive civs

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>>187300253

>As mayor, I promise all my fellow citizens free baths

Delivered. Reelection assured.

>>187314334
True, and I actually forgot about them, I was thinking about the space-faring species more so.

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>>187309905
Some things never change.

>>187309905

>Hive mind (light blue) large as ever

Every fucking time.

>>187314430
and you can give some advance starts, and then you have fallen empires, or whoever builded the mining stations/drones

>>187314214

One thing I always do is allow advanced AI's at the default number to show up. Adds to the difficulty since on insane/aggressive theres no way you can rush them which opens the way for interesting diplomatic tactics.

>>187313613
You do realize there's a subforum for VP mods? There's even a rebalanced E&D port for VP.

>>187306327
any way to play with mods and keep the hotseat function?

>>187314867

>Or get yourself raped at the start

>>187314878
I do. I also realize that what's re-balanced for VP is a drop in the bucket, and that most everybody has jumped ship for Civ 6 at this point.

>>187315040
Turn them into a faux DLC (modpack).

>>187294491

The power company has 1337 skillz!

Is it just me or are the Vodyani Coordinator class ships better than their Hunters?

>>187314368

>election billboard
>"Enough! They stink!"
>signed: Based anon, for cleaner future

>>187315040
It's unstable, but you need some DATA_PACK or something.

>>187314719

Everything is colonized and not conquered. They appear stronger than what they are. Same for fanatic purifiers.

>unless you passive expand, in which case you are fucked

>>187315989

If fanatic purifiers can purge with forced labor its not the case (not sure).

>>187315989
>>187316132

Non xenophobic slavers of the same size or egalitarian mechanists are far worse, assuming they ate factions on the way.

>>187309716
>space fairing by the time I turn 50

Sounds like bullshit

>>187319228
at least you will be alive to call that anon out of his bullshit, do it double forme

>>187319368
Do you have cancer or something?

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>>187319228
we have so many companies working on commercial space, and so many investing in harvesting the resources of space, that it's outright impossible for us to NOT be space fairing within 25 years
there's just far too much money going into it, and far too much money that could be gotten out of if it to ignore
the massive amounts of prestige gained from space exploration and exploitation is just icing on the cake

>>187319978
>water as fuel
Mmmm? I know dioxygen is needed, but water?
Your picture makes me hard.

>>187320159
Oxygen and hydrogen is used sometimes as a primary fuel, as well as even just pure water
if good amounts of carbon are found on the asteroid, could make methane based fuels

>>187320159
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-test_peroxide

>>187320386
Oooh. Science is amazing.

>>187320386
So all cars will explode on impact, like chinese mopeds? no thanks.

>>187319978
>muh green earth
useless china dissapears earth already passed the non return point

>>187321943
>giving up
we can easily turn earth into a gaia world paradise, and it will be through glorious industry
move most of the polluting shit off world, utilize arcologies for housing and agriculture, and work on recycling technology so we can clean up the oceans and make use of all the plastic and metal just floating there doing fuckall

and even if the chinese continue fucking shit up with no regard to the future, we can still drag shit back from the brink through Geoengineering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yzmuwDTwAU
sea levels rise? build dikes, super storms? break them up with artificial reefs and islands
need material for both of these? knock down a mountain
All of these are well within our technological abilities, there's just too many whiny ass hippies wanting to ban industry and keep "mother earth" intact to try an achieve anything

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Is X4 4x?

>>187323145
That's what science should be about : optimism.

>>187323210
Not really. I mean, you pilot one ship and not a complete empire, so...

>>187323284
>you pilot one ship and not a complete empire
t. never played an x game

>>187323284
But that was just X:Rebirth. In X4 you can pilot anything.

>>187323837
>In X4 you can pilot anything
Even an exoskeleton to punch ayyys in the face?

>>187323904
Use common sense. You can pilot any ship, like in X3.

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>beat a FE midgame, get three ringworlds
>second FE awakens shortly after but doesn't move
>Unbidden invade in late-game
>manage to beat them by myself
>AE still just sits there
>once in a while I declare war on my neighbours to get some new systems
>no new crisis, no one declares war on me, I'm just hated by next to everyone
>nearly finished research, getting 700 each per month
>no anomalies, can't move anywhere outside my empire and my allies' empire anyways
>no events whatsoever

Is that what late-game in Stellaris is supposed to be like? Should I just vassalize the other empires?

>>187324026
>common sense
>the internet
pick one

>>187323837
You pilot one of something. You're just a trucker in space, not the ruler of a major polity.

>>187324026
Don't forget purchase/construct your own ships and assemble fleets consisting of fighters, freighters, destroyers and carriers along with your own economic empire that sells things to the greater universe to fund your war machine and factory complexes and loops which process raw resources to turn into missiles and weapons.

>>187324026
>any ship
I bet you can't pilot a submarine.

>>187324291
I'm really hoping X4 includes crew management. I want to have destroyers with hundreds to thousands of souls on board that I can manage. I hope my fighters have pilots that can rank up and become veterans over time too.

>>187324169
You should always be at war, and if you aren't conquering you should be liberating/vassalizing. You should have already won, but sadly it looks as if you've chosen 'tall'.

>>187324169
wasn't there a mod that let you get events in systems the AI already scanned?

>>187309716
>we already have a theoretically functional warp drive, it just takes a lot of fucking energy to operate

A lot of fucking energy and an exotic substance with negative mass, which as far as we're aware does not and cannot exist. With better fundamental physics understanding someone might someday tweak the theory not to require exotic matter, or maybe not, it could just be impossible.

>>187326381
>negative mass
you what

>>187326726
That's what makes the Alcubierre drive work. The equations don't make sense otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_mass

>>187323210
Speaking of X4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T10iR69-PqQ

A video on it.

>>187327641
>>187323210
twitch tv videos 169959696
original is here in case that guy cut any of it

>>187326381
that's why I said theoretical
if we get this one thing in particular, or something that works like it, we are spacemen
I'm of the opinion that Dark energy/matter could work for the purpose

>>187324169
Yeah, the mid- and late-game in Stellaris are sorely lacking in fun things to do. FE awakenings + one crisis per game are the only endgame content. Doesn't matter what type of race and ethics you're playing, eventually it just boils down to staring at the screen forever and ever if non-expansionist "tall", or blobbing / vassalizing everyone until Domination victory as a militant expansionist.

kill

>>187309905
If somebody pulls that shit on me I declare war and liberate their planet then integrate it into my empire.

>>187324169
The only victory condition in Stellaris is conquest. Even if you play tall you have to eventually start conquering vast swathes of the galaxy in order to trigger victory.

>>187333371
>>187336204
for starters, what is playing tall/blobbing?

>>187336204
technically you don't have to conquer
just raze everyone else to the ground

Will Synthetic ascension be better than Biological ascension once you can assimilate other species?

Right now, Bio's better because you can remake species to fit a role -- how will 1.8 change that?

Since 1.8 is focusing more on vassals, will Pacifists be allowed to wage wars of vassalization instead of outright conquest?

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>>187337016
New to 4X?

Tall = Handful of highly developed cities / systems / whatever shit the 4X game uses as base. In case of Stellaris having a smaller number of planets.
Wide = Great number of less developed cities / systems / whatever shit the 4X game uses as base. Blobbing is basically going all the way through and painting the entire map in your color, often through conquest when the free space gets used. Pretty self-explanatory.

Games usually have various reasons for going either way. Stellaris only got somewhat viable tall options in Utopia expansion. Basically put every planet and pop you own increases research and unity costs so smaller empires have an easier time advancing them, especially for the latter that unlocks perks to offset being a smaller empire with less mineral and energy resources that wide empires have a much easier time accruing. Emphasis on "somewhat viable" since there's literally no tall victory condition and as such the endgame of a tall empire boils down to either staring at the screen forever since there is quite literally nothing to do in the game after FEs and one crisis (complete lack of diplomacy, roleplaying events, major threats etc.), or starting to blob like any wide empire until reaching Domination victory.

>>187340076

I think vassalization stays the same. Wiz is only adding one civ that supposedly makes it harder for the AI vassal to rebel while also buffing the tree.

Its kind of a shit because vassals still dont contribute to income though.

>>187326951

Dont go there. Physicists write guiberish all the time so that they can claim that some work was done and the university/state in question keeps funding them.

I never played vassals on stellaris. Are they worth anything? Whats the advantage of having them instead of just conquering outright?

How long is a game of endless? I can't get into civ because of how slow it is

>>187345219
Endless Space or Legend?

>>187345449
Sorry, Legend

>>187343990
>Whats the advantage of having them instead of just conquering outright?
Vassalization war goal, especially with Domination tree perks, lets you conquer more clay in one war instead of chipping a big enemy down with regular cede planet demands that may require many wars and long truces or the meme liberation demand that is basically a worse vassalization war goal. You don't get resources out of vassals, but they're forced to join your wars and with Domination tree you do get increased naval capacity and increased research speed for techs unknown to the other party that works both ways. Vassals also can't colonize normally. Vassalization is absolutely the best demand type for actually winning the game fastest since planets owned by vassals count towards Domination victory. If you want, you can later assimilate all the systems of your vassal by spending a rather large amount of influence (depending on vassal size) and time both of which can be reduced with Domination perks.

Tributaries on the other hand give you energy and metal but are otherwise completely free and they can't be integrated.
Protectorate is a sub-type of vassal when the vassal has vastly lower tech. Protectorate gets massively increased research speed for their overlord's techs until certain point after which they become regular vassal. The overlord also gets Influence during the process.

Basically vassals are useful no matter whether you eventually want to control their systems yourself (through assimilation) or to use them to play pseudo-tall since you can then make do with a handful of planets for better research speed / unity generation, but also get increased fleet capacity, energy and minerals out of vassals and tributaries. Biggest shortcoming is that vassals and tributaries can freely join War in Heaven sides without having to declare war and fight for their independence first, so if you're depending on a lot of tributaries you're going to end up deep in the red.

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What are the best traits and governing ethics for a Hivemind?

>>187340076
Fun fact: if your species is the majority on a planet, you can conquer it in a defensive war without any penalty.

>>187343784
>random imbeciles on an anonymous imageboard think that they're smarter than PhDs in a hard science
Wow it's like I'm really on 4chan.

>>187292584
that's mordheim fucktard

>>187348274
Adaptive
Talented
Rapid Breeders
Sedentary
Repugnant (I can't remember if you can still pick deviants or solitary those would probably be better)

Pooled Knowledge
Subsumed Will

Adaptive stacks with being hive minded for a 20% habitability from the start.

Rapid breeders stacks with the +10% from the early genome mapping tech & the +25% from being a hive mind to give you an insane 50% growth speed. Since you can't really ever integrate captured planets (unless you go down the bioengineering tree then waste time integrating them) you need this to repopulate conquered worlds later on.

Pooled Knowledge + Talented starts your hive mind with 3 star leaders.

Hive Minds don't have the easiest ways to gain influence so adding the +1 from being hive minded to the +1 for Subsumed Will gives you a vital boost to that.

>>187352527

You can't choose solitary as a Hivemind

>>187348274
I hope they make alternate event/anomaly dialogs for hive minds and robots. As it is, they don't make sense considering most of them talk about individuals.

>>187357351
They probably will at some point but expect to have to pay for it.

>>187357351
I saw in a diary or forums post somewhere that they're working on the verbiage. It sounded like it didn't even occur to them that hive minds would need the text and sometimes dialog options, but they've gotten complaints and it was obviously needed with the robots.

Hey I'm playing Endless Space 2 as Cravers for the first time and after capturing 21 systems my approval rating is really low. I would have thought Cravers would be OK with this, but apparently I was incorrect.

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>every time I load a saved game in Civ V it crashes

>>187359603
no one will actually rebel, they'll just starve themselves and tank your influence
the real issue is if you have global approval rating low, because then you get reduced dust and science (the only really important one)

usually i just remedy this by abandoning the really trash depleted systems, declaring war on as many people as possible (for the +15 happiness), and eating slaves

don't die

>>187365973
For nothing is eternal,
And some day they may have to survive without me

potato BTFO

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>>187365973
To life, to life I'll bring them!

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wtf is wrong with everyone in this game?!

These borders are immensely unpleasant.

>>187368382
That looks like the result of a war and a few planets changing sides. See that purple Lartrepian Commissariat bubble in the green Hiffnar Polity bubble on the right and that shared system in the middle.

This is why I vassalize and integrate instead of stealing 3 planets every 10 years.

>>187368382
>still having those brown niggers iside your borders

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>>187369118
They're allied to my allies and everyone around me hates me so I need my allies.

>>187369329
irrelevant, clean borders should be your top priority

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>>187369426
I think I need to kill myself

>>187369329
Yeah, it's completely irrelevant. Everyone will hate you no matter what you do because it's Stellaris, but they also won't do anything at all about it because it's Stellaris. Purge the xeno scum.

>>187369515
that's ok they'll eventually join up. You'd have to destroy Miltron's outpost (I assume it's an outpost) however

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Bruh...

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where to settle??

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>>187373878

>>187374276
I really want some iron though

what the fuck is the point of these minefields in Stellaris for the starbases? These a fucking spectacularly useless. 160 damage IN TOTAL during a fight where tens of thousands of damage were dealt by ships. These minefields cant even take out one corvette during a fight wtf.

>>187327641
x sandbox is prety cool, but the universe itself if boring as fuck

>>187374594
But the placement of iron city entirely depends on the placement of that city.
If it's a coast tile, then you can land on the hill next to the forest.
If it's a river then you'll have settle on on the coastal forest tile.

When can we have a Stellaris where you can't clump all your shit together and just steam roll like that? Why cant any 4X dev ever make an AI smart enough to see that you have all the fucking troops and military clumped into one clusterfuck and they are fighting a war on the other side of their empire, so the AI would then use that and attack them because they have no military presence anywhere because they\re all clumped into one big ass doom stack.

They could just literally add the actual reasons into the game that are preventing modern armies from clumping into one big fucking pile in one big fucking garrison. Imagine US military being based in one place at all times and they only move in one big fucking clump wherever they are needed.

>>187376370
just the way combat works
clumping is everything in stellaris

>>187376370
>Add a supply system for fleets
>The supply requirements rise exponentially
>If supply demands aren't met, it will affect combat effectiveness
>Add organizational penalty to large fleets that reduces their combat effectiveness depending on the admiral\s skill
>Make the AI attack any undefended systems with smaller fleets as a priority
>Make fleets consume more supplies outside of their own space to make it expensive to operate massive fleets outside your own empire for prolonged times.
>Make maintaining assault troops and a fleet on planet orbit a must if the planet is well developed and defended
>Invasions need to take longer overall
>Make defense stations and platforms actually not completely shit

They could fix the combat system in one stupid patch

Why people that play cities skylines just flood their cities 24/7 is that the most fun activity in that game?

>>187302258
You can try something else which I discovered by accident, genetic engineering.

You conquer massive ammounts of people - like let's say you integrate simultaneously two huge empires, then you instantly nerve staple them and wait for negative buffs to wear off if there are any - then you remove nerve staple and boom they're all brainwashed into your empire ethics.

>>187376914
the water modelling is neat

>>187302490
Honestly above 800 stars game already becomes a chore.

>>187324169
I had something similar, fallen empire awakens - but I was playing mega corporation and I was cool with everybody - so I've started to invest in empires that were far away from me and they became mini fallen empires.

Fallen empire - awakes, other empires declare war to it - I take my doomstack I clear their fleets out few minutes later they get split behind the empires I've invested into lol - since they it constantly sit at 2500 fleet power being the bitch of normal empires for the rest of the game - while they had gigantic fleets and had to play cool with each other because the smaller ones were under my protection.

I kinda wish Stellaris had RTS combat like Sins of a Solar Empire. Or a multi-threaded 64-bit Sins would be fine too.

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How is Endless Space 2 these days?
Are the patches helping?
Has it reached a sort of playable state?

>>187377453
It's never been not playable. It, unlike Stellaris, keeps getting better and more complete. All the main races are in and so are most the features, they're doing a balancing alpha right now.

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SHIMMY COCK ON SHIMMY COCK ON SHIMMY COCK ON

>>187376796
>Make maintaining assault troops and a fleet on planet orbit a must if the planet is well developed and defended
You don't even need all the rest - this would solve it on it's own.
The critical thing is forcing you to split your doomstack by having multiple strategic objectives that need to be taken in parallel, not series. Fortress-worlds would do this - require long sieges that HAVE to be resolved before your fleets can move on to the next world.
Of course, this would require space geography...

>>187374883
Defenses as a whole are useless. Minefields are just one part of it.

>>187373747

m8. Less passive expansion more war.

>>187377537

>turn based
plus
>cinematic ship battles
plus
>fixed factions with little variation

fail

>>187376796

From what I've heard, the AI's biggest flaw is being baited by an inferior size fleet if the bait ships are in habitable systems. People do this to defeat larger forces.

>>187374883

The only use for stations is to use that ftl lure so that the enemy fleet lands on top of you. Also the shield nerf in case the opponent uses it.

>>187380565
>fixed factions
How is that inherently a problem, you fuck? It'd much rather seven different factions with their different story and fluff over Stellaris million bland interchangeable "diversity"
>little variation
Oh fuck off. They, unlike Stellaris, all play completely differently.

>>187381086

>interchangeable "diversity"
Fixed roleplay
>completely differently
So does stellaris

ES2 can only kick ass if their company stops the faggotry and throws a ghotic armada style of combat. Total War in space (turns on map, rts combat).

Fuck, that would be something!

>>187381406
Hi Wiz.

>>187381428

>implying Wiz could come up with this concept

>>187380565
>fixed factions with little variation

You are talking about ES1

>>187381573
A few of them did have significant differences like not being able to retreat vs Sheredyn. Would Vaulters and Harmony count since they were added near the end?

>>187369552

People seldom start diplomacy at an early stage. The AI always hates you this way.

And thats why wormhole ftl sucks outside of isolationists and xenophobic aggressors because you cant send your scout corvettes without building corridors to every place.

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roll fags

>>187383802
not even gonna play but rollan anyway lmao

>>187384297
>97 reroll
nah I aint gonna go for it

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Which tradition mods you guys had most satisfaction with?

Also is this good? Gonna build within colonisable space and just trade with everyone around me, building good relations.

>>187384675
Don't bother with diplomacy in Stellaris.

>>187385921
Yea well it's not diplomacy I just trade with them, It works fine tried this before - but now I want to go even deeper.

Federations work well too, I don't know what you actually expect from diplomacy maybe you can tell me I'm curious.

>>187384675
Yeah that works, if you spam migration treaties you can get your planets fully populated one or two years after colonising

Stellaris.

Along with mining guilds, would the distinguished admiralty civic be better than slaving guilds? Combining with fanatic militarist for that 28% extra firepower.

>>187387046

Yeah.

>just noticed that fanatic purifiers can start with the biggest fucking borders and 51% bonus firepower

Broken AF.
>wiz is swedish they said....

>>187387046
Basically an optimized doomstack - mid late game is enough alone to beat anything without any buffs.

So all these buffs work early tbqh, I wouldn't play around them too much. You can military conquer galaxy without being militaristic.

>>187387046
both are really good civics, if you're slaving and want lots of minerals then go for slaving guilds, if not then admiralty is great too. I'd pick admiralty tho

wew dead

>>187391187
Like ur mom lmao
I miss my mother...

>>187383802
so what're 99 and 00 then

>>187383802
rolling

>>187391706
wow that was rude

Anyone have any idea if the star wars weapons mod is at least semi-balanced?

I'm looking for a weapon mod that adds separate weapon categories instead of 5 bazillion tiers of already existing weapons+shields and generators but colored differently, and this is the only thing I found so far.

>>187391706
I miss your mother too

>>187384675

It works if you start by assuring independence along with technology deal (favoring them) and possibly charts later on.

Some faction will always hate you, mainly authoritarian in this case.

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Guys where do I want to build wormhole generators at the absolute border or exactly on top of border from which ships start to travel?

>>187392984
Use commas, dammit! I have no fucking idea what you want.

>>187393072
,Guys, where, do, I, want, to, build, wormhole, generators, at, the, absolute, border, or, exactly, on, top, of, the, border, from, which, ships, start, to, travel?

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>>187393316

>>187393383
On a serious note dude, where is it more profitable long term to build them?

You know there is a region, a border marked by discontinued arcs from which all FTL methods initiate travel.

But there is also this further region beyond that border and the triangles ( as seen in picture ) where I can still build - so I was wondering where you guys consider it's better.

>>187392984
in my inner systems I put them as close as I can to centre. If outer systems I put them far away and at the less likeliest poiint of enemy entry

>>187393540
I'd say to not build them too close to the system's border, or any enemy can destroy it really easily before you can defend it.

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>>187393316
>>187392984
>>187393540
Try building in a way that enemy fleets won't come across it if they warp into the system.
If defending a planet, cheese by making a cheap shit defense station with an FTL inhibitor as far away from the planet as you can and place your butthole station as close to the planet as possible since your fleets always warp next to the station when entering a system that has one.

your fleet composition?
are specialist ships worth making?

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>>187275739
>scourge invasion
>invades right next to me with multiple 100k fleets
>no one helps fighting them
Just deleted the save folder, turning off end events next time

>>187396792
Yea I had that figure out but I've decided to build them as far as possible because it does not impair where my ships travel from rather it just makes it even harder for enemies to reach them.

>>187396950
Buy more dlc goy. Gonna fix the shitty AI later we promise!

Amazingly enough, they are actually addressing this next patch. And it only took them 2 dlcs. Now lets see how many it takes until they fix AIs not building anything on their planets late-game.

>>187396950
>put on flaks and plasma
>delete fleets in 1:3

>>187387314
they need it because you can't lose a single war really. lose one and you're fucked. Even getting a white peace while losing your fleet is a death sentence. every single empire in your vicinity will join in a giant federation the moment you eat one of your neighbours. lose your fleet and you become #1 target of every empire in the vicinity.

>>187384675
>Which tradition mods you guys had most satisfaction with?
Plentiful Traditions by Birdy.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=903007094

>>187398086
Looks like shit desu senpaitachi

>>187396950
>being this bad
if you don't have 150k fleets by the time they arrive, you're doing it wrong

>>187397621
>Now lets see how many it takes until they fix AIs not building anything on their planets late-game.

What? I thought AIs had a problem with terrible building selection and placement, not straight-up just not building anything.

>>187401704
When you reach 70 - 100k doomstack it's already game over nothing can beat you if it's optimized.

Does anyone ever bother researching the tech that makes exploring ruins fail less often in EL? Seems like a really negligible thing.

>>187288591
why does it look so casual

>>187362073
>usually i just remedy this by abandoning the really trash depleted systems, declaring war on as many people as possible (for the +15 happiness), and eating slaves
Thanks, I'll have to stop being so attached to the planets I conquered once they turn into husks. Slash and burn it is.

Damn wormhole is the best ftl until jump drive anyway, why haven't you guys told me about it before - it literally jumps over stuff and it's fast as fuck.

>>187405546
literally since release everyone has said wormhole is best dummy

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>>187405546
This is a hypermemes-only general, you have to leave now

>>187405546
Also note that the AI is too stupid to intentionally target your wormhole stations, and your increase in strategic mobility means you can occupy their planets without even meeting their fleet.

>>187406875
Yeah, but if you play on MP, it'll fail.

What's the best civics for a spiritualist playthrough going for psionic ascendency?

>>187405546
As a cheevo whore struggling to get Outside Context Problem, warp is best because I need to find Sol on Day 1

>>187405546

Only if you dont favor early scouting/exploration (in a serious manner) and if you are not planning doing many wars.

Isolationists, hive minds and pacifists in general should have it. If you plan to do conquest, forget it.

>>187406875

They will attack them if no stack of yours in threatening their planets and if they spot them. Besides, unless you build stations inside his territory after the war has been declared you are always forced to do two jumps to travel between adjacent systems in his territory.

Also if your radius doesnt cover all his territory you are pretty much forced to build a corridor and he will surely harass you while you dont control all ports. Thats why I dont use this. Wormhole fucking drives me nuts!

Its great for traveling inside your borders though. The best in fact.

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>>187408496
I don;'t get the exploration meme. Also by the time I have to fight 3 wars at the same time I'm already mid game and I have researched or will research soon enough jump drive.

>>187409052

Early rushes require knowledge of nearby star system stacks in order to place one or two outposts while also requires you to know everyone around you.

Wormhole sucks for this because you need to drag your ass and build fucking corridors everywhere. Also this >>187409026.

It can really drive you nuts sometimes.

what automation settings do you fags usually turn on in Distant Worlds if any?

>>187409052

I think Im gonna take this anons faction and attempt an early armed rush on insane just to see how it goes.

>mfw no slaves or bots at the start
>not even militarist
>I shall try nontheless
>prolly fucked, I'l see

>>187409343
Usually everything off, except:
>Troop Recruitment: Full auto
>New Buildings: Suggest

>>187278228
How is corporate nationalism bugged? just curious

>>187411284
I wish I could explain it, but English is my first language, so...

>>187411549
Fuck. Meant to say "isn't".

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>Take Marrakesh
>cant liberate it
Really spoils my plans

>>187414003
>Buffalos are a resource

That's retarded

>>187414590
Video games are usually retarded.
>take a rocket to the face
>loses 99HP
>can still sprint, jump, aim with perfect accuracy, and spout one-liners
>fly sneezes too close
>lose last hitpoint
>instantly collapses in blood

>>187414590
But they give milk,hide,meat,bone,pet,riding.

>>187414752
Shut up idiot I wanted to have a discussion on the importance of buffalos

You have to ruin everything with your retarded videogame comment

>>187415006
But video games are retarded.
>come on, player, talk to that shifty-looking NPC
>oh nooo, he betrayed you, who coulda saw that coming??
>what, you knew he was a tr8-t0r?
>well, fuck you, you're still getting betrayed because fuck you

>>187414590
why wouldn't buffalos be a resource

>>187374918
That's probably going to change with X4. They have the tech and knowledge from previous games to remedy a lot of the old issues.

>>187415449
They were only relevant for a very brief period of american history

>>187415706
>implying there was no american history before the Europeans arrived
You're a retard, you know that?

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>>187415706
Yeah because they all got hunted to near extinction.

>>187415706
>History stops existing untile europeans show up

>>187411284
Several things:
All your colonies are locked to 100% tax, which while it does not have a negative impact on happiness it does slow down growth.
A large amount of private ships (frieghters/liners) will be scrapped because the civvies can't afford to run them anymore as they no longer have a treasury to pay the maintenance.
They will also be VERY reluctant to build any replacements, again for lack of money.
This means throughput of goods in your empire will drop, and happiness will drop as a result meaning you make less money, and growth will slow to almost nothing.
As there are less freighters, they will concentrate on strategic over luxuries making the situation nosedive even faster.
This continues feeding back on itself gradually getting worse and worse until the entire economy tanks and corruption goes through the roof.
Even if you switch to another gov. at this point it will take decades to unfuck itself.

The only benefit I can think of is if you know you're going to war and don't want your ports to use materials building frieghters.
And the short-term boost of having access to a pile of money.

This seems like a bug to me - something that dicks you for literally no reason.
But you never know, this could be working as intended. It is a mystery.

>updated paste

>>187416983
No, it's not a bug. That's just Ancap fagots' wet dream.

>>187416884
Yes?

>>187417158
>Ancap
Oh right, thanks dude.
I'll just file that under: Bug - Retarded

And congrats. You're in the paste for making me kek.

>still no word when Stellaris 1.8 is dropping
Fuck man I really want to play it.

>>187405546
It's been an established fact for a long time that in single player wormholes are the strongest choice, but in MP warp is the best.

>>187386087
>I just trade with them
You can't trade for anything of use so what's the point? Just minerals and energy.

>>187398086
>giant clusterfuck of random game breaking shit that either takes a ridiculously long time to actually unlock or else is made easy to get and thus removes any real weight to early game decisions
This is pretty much why I never download content/balance mods. They're made by people who think throwing tons of options at the game is an improvement.

>>187275739
>added DW:U pasta
BASED
SPIDER

oh look we're dead again

>>187424965
Because when we're not shitting on Stellaris, we're dead.

i want to like stellaris but i just can't ;_;
i think i'm too bad at it because i always stagnate after a while and never pick up again in terms of development or military strength and things

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Vox Pop enhanced AI in peak form, everybody.

>play EL
>go to war and destroy all of a factions cities
>trade a truce and one or two shitty technologies for every one of their techs and/or resources/dust
>end turn
>faction is defeated so nothing you gave them matters
>repeat on every war

>>187419687
Exactly I do 1:1 minerals trade for my infinite energy or get all their exotic resources again for energy.

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>devastator pulse bump

>>187429531
What's that game? What's going on? What am I supposed to look at? Is that impressive? How old is that game?

>>187428280
Literally cheating.

>>187429709
My guess is 2016-12-13

>conquer some planets in Stellaris
>be a rightful xenophobe, purge the fuck out of them
>purging finishes, everyone dies (except for robots) and guess what? all of the planets which didn't have at least a robot pop are no longer under my control

This is retarded. I had ships in orbit, I owned spacecraft ports, I maintained a defense army. Yes, the population was holocausted, but the planet was very much mine.

>>187416884
considering they did fuck all other than murder each other endlessly with pointy sticks, it really does wait until the euros show up to begin