/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

the fire rises

Unfallen are a peaceful species. Just accept the vines.

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Should I become xenophile?

Pretty much no one around me is a threat and I've already found 2 broken megastructures a dyson sphere and a science array although kinda far from me.. but soon enough I'll have mega engineering and literally 0 problems and 0 reasons to expand other than tall.

>>186843520
no

>>186843520
I wouldn't go xenophile, you'll lose fanatic materialist and the research bonus it gives.

But, I wish those events happened more often though. Would make the game feel more alive once the initial surveying is done and anomalies/encounters stop happening.

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>>186843765
>>186844280
Do you guys think they're worth repairing that far?

Should I just tear down my food buildings in Endless Space 2 once I'm maxed out on population in my current systems? Everyone is unhappy and populations keep leaving, only to be replaced the next turn. Is there something I'm doing wrong with food? I'm at war to expand my borders, but I currently don't have anywhere else to colonize right now.

>>186845179
no. How much does it cost to repair?

>>186845262
Build approval improvements and enact toys for boys. Food is also used for manpower.

>>186845441
30k minerals over 4 years for a fully functional dyson sphere.

Anyway It would save me 100 - 200 years of unlocking the actual ascension perk and the dyson sphere is kinda worth it for the energy.

>>186845902
>30k
jesus what a fucking waste. I wouldn't even bother without even if it was literally in my home system

>>186846406
>without
*with it

>>186846406
30k one time for 1200 energy every month forever, not a bad deal I would just recover the minerals in 5 years.

>>186845262
the reason people keep emigrating is because there's places to live where they'll be happier
invest in approval and people will stop leaving
also, your manpower income is completely based around your food income; if you have high food, you'll have decent manpower, which is imperative since you're waging wars right now

>>186846654
they produce 1200 energy now?

>>186845902
Fix it, never worry about energy again.

>>186846921
No I've moded the game to make it balanced because otherwise I would've been 2 times more time and produce only 40 energy lol.

>>186846976
well why the fuck are you asking if you should do something in a game you've modded and then not tell anyone you've modded it. Even so, it seems like a waste, yes you're up on energy production, big whoop, you're behind on literally everything else

>>186847163
Because literally if you look at statistics more than half of people who own stellaris use this megastructure balance mod.

>>186847163
So to you a ROI of 15 years is game endingly bad?

>>186847379
>game endingly bad?
no, just not worth it especially early game as your are in now.

>>186847372
cool, I'll just assume everyone uses the mod then.

>>186847625
>cool, I'll just assume everyone uses the mod then
I already do desu. Like he said a huge amount of people use it and it gets recommended virtually every thread when someone asks for mods. Sometimes multiple times per thread honestly.

>>186847625
A 2 energy or mineral station has a ROI of 7.5 years, are those worth building? Where's the cutoff?

>>186847779
if you have a question relating to something that you've modded, maybe just mentioned it's modded. Not everyone is going to use every mod, even if this particular mod if very popular is all

>>186847793
10 years.

>>186845515
>>186846781
Thanks nerds, I'll make sure to sink all the Ark ships for you.

>>186848071
Ark ship wrecks give a boost to the system it is in. Can't quite remember what the bonuses were, but I know Influence was one.

>>186848071
>>186848148
unless it was changed, ark ships give 100 flat influence on the system's FIDSI output
also, if you can, take as many arks by ground invasion as you can; you retain the vodyani pops if you win a manpower fight rather than a naval fight

>>186847372
I don't have it, didn't even know about its existece, it breaks saves or I can install it and use it in my current game?

>>186847372
name? there are like 4 pages of megastructures tweaks mods

>>186849971
Well It's "Improved Megastructures"
but I've literally looked trough the source of 4 pages of mods and tweaked my own which basically has Improved Megastructures tweaks for costs / time / output but now I can build simultaneously and unrestricted by colonisable planet or presence of another megastructure in system so it's possible to have a sentry array around a Dyson sphere all this surround by a ringworld which has a science nexus floating above it.

ROI is a flawed way to decide to build something.

You should use "what else can I spend these resources on".

Do you have planets you haven't yet but should colonise? Do you have 'core worlds' you haven't upgraded? do you have a fleet that needs to be replaced or enhanced? Do you want to fight a war and want the resources to fight it?

And part of that is "how much of a priority do these things have" and "can I still do enough of these things while investing in the megastructure".

neat, I got a 25 tile Gaia world out of a terraforming event

>>186850459
All of those can be simplified to "are there other things with better ROI I could be doing?"

The only question you need ask yourself in Stellaris is: Will this action lead to less xenos? If yes, godspeed.

>>186855442
Not playing Stellaris leads to the least xenos.

>>186855651
The best outcome. His logic is sound.

do you guys hate Stellaris, because everyone else loves it?

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>>186856692

>>186857081
humor me

>>186857191
No
Stellaris is hated because it's made by a bunch of passive aggressive women and swedes, with damn near every feature being unfinished or poorly balanced, ironically for the purpose of balancing
and as a bonus, the sorely needed patches to make the game not a piece of shit are sold as DLC for as much as the game itself costed

>>186842102
>varying degrees of want.jpg

>>186857348
so lets say you have complete control over the development. How would you fix it?

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>>186857710
>implement basic espionage
>ditto with a trade route system and ways to affect it
>make ship size classes matter more
>change ship battles so its not just a looney tunes dust cloud fight with feet and fists flailing around
?add some kind of intrigue system related to factions so there's more acvtive ways for you to affect your internal politics a la ck 2
> make ground combat a level more complex with chocies you can actually make or say fuck

that is just without thinking half sober middle of the night

I should play a whole bunch of spess 4X games for a while, write down what I think in a somewhat critical manner and pastebin it all afterwards for quick perusal.

>>186858051
Distant Worlds then?

>>186857710
Unfuck the combat system, primarily. Make defense stations worth shit, and rebalance ALL of the components.
I remember when I first cracked it open and rushed the first beam weapon research, I was incredibly confused and even pissed off when I saw the fucking characteristic on the level 2 beam turret.
Relative to the original turret and fitting in the same slot, it had:
1.3 times the damage
2 times the power requirement
4 times the cost

That is utter and complete bullshit, and it's no wonder why just spamming the base corvette is so effective.
The combat also needs actual control, not just letting the fleet autoengage everything in its fucking solar system.

>>186857710
Hitting Wiz with a steel bat until he stops being Swedish.

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>>186858773

>>186858452
sounds more like eu to me

>>186856692
I like it but paradox are a bunch of faggots

>>186845179
The red faggot is a xenophobe militarist empire that is not upset with me at all for some reason even tho I've planted stations around his ass also by now I've compeltely isolated two empires that hate me around - I can just wait until I have more military tech then wipe them in one war as they're resources and expansion locked, once then If I integrate them I'm literally fixed territory wise for until close to late game.

Thing is some autistic empire from the other corner of the galaxy declared war on me ... and he can't reach me because everyone locked border to him.

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Do you guys talk about this series?

>>186859772
>>186859150
Ment for you not for myself...

So why did Wiz change the pre-made human factions into Wasteful Slobs? Did he have a Sweden moment?

>>186861334
Trump's election victory, wasn't it?

>>186861702
So a Sweden moment.

Wonderful.

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Never forget.

>>186857710
Copy all the good shit from Distant Worlds while keeping the good ideas from Stellaris

>>186859860
Rebirth is garbage

So Finisher bonus for domination tree does this:

Mod country all tech research speed.png +30% Research speed for technology sharing with subjects (towards unknown tech already researched by another)

Does this mean that I should vassalize a fallen empire asap ?

>get some mod for Stellaris that allows you to build ancient buildings
>get it running
>notice in game that all my T3 science labs just get auto demolished
>remove it since I haven't had that issue a week ago and I've added no other mod since
>now it's happening in every game
>no matter what mods I use
What the fuck

Holy shit I'm so hyped about 1.8

>>186864682
pretty much yes

>>186862809
What the fuck was that about?

>>186864682
Also repeatable techs don't change, so if your vassal has level 1 of a repeatable tech you still get the bonus if you're on level 101.

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And so, we begin.

>>186867941
post updates as you go

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>>186868174
Every 50 turns, unless shit happens.
Or is that too much?

>>186868628
Just realised you're playing on Prince...why even?

>>186868684
how can you tell?

>>186867041
The militarist voice for synthetic dawn

>>186867041
>shitty female voice actor was shitty
>people made it known
>wiz sperged out claiming REEE MISOGYNY SEXIST FUCKTHEPATRIARCHY etcc

>>186868804
>>186868907
Ah, I thought so. I didn't even watch any of the trailers or streams yet. Does it look as shit as the rest of Stellaris?

>>186869060
every dlc makes it a little bit better, but yes still shitty overall

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>>186859860
I played Terran Conflict and Albion Prelude quite a bit, but I regret all of it.

It's got decent core mechanics, but the sandbox part is sorely lacking and there's really nothing you can change or affect in the universe since all sectors spawn new faction units endlessly. Even the fucking main war in AP is just restricted to specific marked war sectors where both sides technically take sectors, but endlessly spawn units so there's no point in participating. All the regular missions you're offered are random generated shit that make new enemies or supposed "demand" pop out of nowhere rather than being generated out of actual universe events. Stock market in Albion Prelude is also outright broken. Once you get some of the highest tier M2 ships you'll start to lose interest since even if you fit it with best weapons there's really nothing to use it on rather than going on a random meaningless rampage since nothing you do affects the universe in any way, only lowers your reputation. Carriers and fleet management are retarded useless money sink, not to mention micro heavy due to having to outfit everything yourself. Factory chain empire management only exists to supply you with more ammo or ship parts or to make more money which you won't really need for anything after the M2, or especially M2+ breaking point.

It's really like Mount & Blade in space, but without any proper endgoals or changing world other than the linear main quest which often fucking LEVEL SCALES encounters anyways. Though I hear some revamp mods might fix this shit, but I don't really have the energy to go through the early game crap from the beginning.

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>>186868684
Maybe I'm not as good as you.

[ends eternally]

>>186869473
What victory type are you planning on?

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Thank god the ottomans decided to fuck with Assyria, now Suleiman is getting fucked instead of me.

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>>186872465
Science

>>186872603
DUDE

>>186872818
D U S T

>>186871619
Cult of the [internal end].

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Never mind, fucking warmongers

>>186872923
WE ONCE HAD A HOMEWORLD

>>186873239
But we were poor caretakers

>>186873239
But our world changed and we were faced with a stark choice

Does anyone else find that The Cravers are really lacking in unique mechanics?

>>186858051
>change ship battles so its not just a looney tunes dust cloud fight with feet and fists flailing around

Expand on this, because either this has to be a progressive overhaul over several patches and years or you might just as well be asking for a completely new game.

>>186875298
>Not liking constant war and planets that get shittier faster than you can get new ones

lmao gay
Definitely the weakest faction imo.

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Holland got deleted, Russia lost it's capital, and Egypt is strong.

I just wanted to make a comfy kingdom and read my research books in peace.

>>186875989
Cravers just play a lot like a warmongering UE.

>>186876006
why is everyone beating you

>>186875989
>Cravers
>weakest
They can easily crush anyone in early game and steal all wonders due to massive FIDSI bonuses and higher CP cap, their colonies can't rebel no matter the approval level and even when planets deplete slavery bonus keeps them operational, not to mention all planets have higher pop cap, plus the Craver population collection bonus actually benefits from depleted planets, making each depleted planet increase ship and troop damage. Religious option at the start of their quest that gives a free ship also makes them the fastest expanding major faction since they can nuke minor faction systems in one turn with it.

I think they're by far the strongest faction.

>>186876402
No? UE is insanely good towards making everyone else submissive to your empire with your fuckhueg influence expanding your borders faster than a ship can travel.

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>>186876446
I'm not good, and prince is hard in this mod.

>>186876750
>mod
you mean vox populi? Yeah it takes some getting used to. First game of it?

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r8 the empire I made for an All Tomorrows-inspired genetic manipulation playthrough
>the most body horror portrait I could find
>perfect for modifying enslaved races (can't wait for nerve stapling)
>will be going for biological ascension
>might change to wormhole travel now that I think about it
>inspired by the shit in the link below:
>https://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1378/75/1378755288872.pdf

Hi civ4xg game of throne fans and watching them battles with dragons gave me an itch to play 4x with fantasy setting

should I play modded civ or endless legend

>>186877029
Endless Legend. You can even play the Dragons.

>>186877008
>jewsbugs
would squish/10. Btw does 1.8 change anything in relation to ftl choices?

>>186877029
EL or you could try Age of Wonders 3

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>>186877029
Endless Legend or Age of Wonders 3. Former has more interesting lore and much more fleshed out 4X management stuff, whereas the latter has more generic fantasy lore but a much higher focus on tactical turn-based battles, unit abilities and spells than EL and it has several story campaigns consisting of several levels in addition to random maps, basically it's much more like Heroes of Might and Magic than 4X. EL also has main and side quests, but they're tied into the main randomized map game rather than being a separate campaign with strict levels or something.

Go for EL if you want something that resembles Civ more. If it's dragons you're looking for there's Drakken who have both humanoid and proper dragon units.

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>Fighting the scourge for the first time.
>Started in my lands, fending them off slightly well
>All neighbours who hate me instantly declare war on me
Should the priority be the scourge or defending against the other races first?

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>>186876937
On prince yes.

So this is the power of crossbowmen.

>>186875798
it was a theoretical scenario where I got to do what i want
the short answer would be some kind of ship formation system where i could at least decide what ship went where and have them at least try to maintain it until the dustball took over

>>186878441
Man, Civ 5 is suck a visual fucking mess.

>>186877029
EL even has got-inspired winters. And westeros map in workshop (but not really great one).

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>>186878809
Is this better?

I love EL dragons because they are not standard "we wuz older n shiet, die all".
t. dragonkin

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>AOEIV
>By the people who made moba DOW 3
>Windows 10 exclusive

>>186880153
>>By the people who made moba DOW 3
According to anon from last thread, it's actually made by the core team at Relic.

>>Windows 10 exclusive
Dead on fucking arrival.

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Now i know how hitler felt.

Hope Egypt doesn't see a window here

>>186864390
What are the good ideas from Stellaris that Distant Worlds doesn't have?

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>HELP PRAGUE IS UNDER CONSTANT ATTACK FROM BARBARIANS
>WE NEED ANY GREAT CIVILIZATION TO COME AND RESCUE US
>the barbs are completely surrounded by mountains and have no way to get out
fucking Czechs

>Another Skylines extension
PARADOOOOOOOX

>>186882293
It's all fun and games until Hannibarb is born

>>186882023
Traditions, which if done right like civ5 the game paracucks ripped it from
The sector system if it actually worked and was optional, rather than the full on automation of DW
The random events which DW doesn't have a huge amount of
Randomised research
Some kind of hybrid of the ship designs from both so it's neither all spreadsheet or barebones

New ES2 beta patch is out. Only small bug fixes rather than bigger changes, but new G2G balance mod iteration supposedly soon.

Hopefully they finally nerf trade routes and fix admiral EXP gain.

>>186881451
>1862
>crossbows
How's that science victory working out for you?

>>186882881
Where can i read all the changes?

>>186883195
They usually post this stuff on the game's forums.

Beta patch notes
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forums/65-general/threads/27662-1-0-37-patch-notes-preview?page=1#post-246060

Balance mod thread
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forums/66-game-design/threads/27427-g2g-balance-mod-feedback
I'm not sure whether they'll post the next iteration's changes at the beginning or the end of the same thread.

>>186883485
Also the balance mod itself on workshop
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1077924717

>>186883485
>>186883662
Thanks. Doesn't really seem like they did anything yet though. I actually reported some bugs to them just a few days ago, hope they get them sorted out by the next patch.

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>>186882943
Very bad, I give up, and I'm hungry.

So the Huns have broken into central Europe, doubt anyone can stop them,(Poland is the Huns, but the other gray is Germany), Egypt is still a faggot fighting the brorabs and me.

My guess is Atilla wins, or England sneaks in a science win, gg.

Has anybody played any of the preset empires in Stellaris? Other than Commonwealth of Man I haven't tried them. Are they fun?

>>186882293
Buy the tile, gets rid of the encampment.

>>186885420
The other default human is Maximum Star Trek, but I haven't played them since Utopia. Very fun beforehand, though.

>>186876598
>crushes anyone in early game
false, the vodyani's arks are strong enough that they can actually capitol rush the cravers if they want to
also, the unfallen have an extra 1000 manpower on their capitol, fucking vines, and basically infinite food, meaning that they're pretty much unsiegeable until the midgame at least

>>186882293
what map is this please

>>186884478
>playing babylon most op science civ on prince difficulty
>gets destroyed
you are pathetic

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>>186894261
Ah yes, just as planned.

>>186884478
How are you losing at science as Babylon?

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Dido a cunt

>>186897258

I'm clearly starting to win son.

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>>186900007
>implying I followed the conversation
>implying I didn't just skim through the thread and find a post to be smug at

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>>186900108
Let us be smug at eachother.

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>>186900218
Fug is that LoGH, I lose already.

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>>186900349

>>186900007
Hahaha your empire is so small! You're trying to get to space? How typical for someone with a small empire.

>>186900007
she's always a cunt on all my games to everyone, always take her territory except for 1 city with everything burning to keep her in constant suffering

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>>186901781
Whatever it takes

Spain deleted Portugal, and is now second in score, Germany got royally fucked by the Huns and lost the polish and most of their own cities.

Meanwhile in the arab lands, Egypt made a 180 and is now my friend, i still donot trust that fucker tho.

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What do I choose?

>>186904091
Since you're tiny and have no chance of doing anything militarily I'd go Freedom. Order if you're really scared of your neighbours.

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>>186878415
Any guidance?

>>186867941
How did you even get Vox to work?

>>186876006
>peaceful, comfy kingdom
>the middle east
Pick one.

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>>186904198
Capitalism it is.

>>186904427
I'm not that retarded mate.

>>186904614
Oh wait its Vox Pop, I've not played it so I may have given you awful advice.

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>>186905695
Yeah Egypt came with an instant DoW, England revolted to Order, And Attila is busy nuking central Europe.

>>186906681
Whoopsy daisies, at least you get to experience a game with nukes used properly.

>>186904614
Come on, please?

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>>186906789
The nukes are getting dropped closer and closer.

>>186906808
My bad, thought you meant I was too retarded to install it, but just google it, there is a auto installer.

>>186908106
Hope you're not far off fleeing to space

>>186908106
So, real talk, how would one stop a warmonger who's become as large as Attila here?

>>186909056
You'd have to abuse the tactical game with 1pt and try to use mobility to pillage his interior. Either that or just try and rush a non-military victory

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>>186908243
Attila just shat out more than half of the space engines, I'm just playing to get closure.

And i forgot to enable score victory so, shit.

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Attila went to space.
I'll go re-valuate my life.

>>186901781
>except for 1 city
I do this in every 4X game. I'm probably autistic.

Also in Stellaris you can farm 1-planet empires for influence by humiliating them.

>>186909859
Is that your first vox pop game?

>>186909859
>huns in space
jesus christ how horrifying

>>186909939
Influence in Stellaris is fucking retarded.

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>>186909940
No. I'm just that bad.

>>186909859
F

For what it's worth I enjoyed your playthrough anon, even if you're not that good at the game it's fun to read about and it keeps the thread alive.

>>186910262
Oh dear

>>186909859
No, keep playing until Attila kills you.

>>186910384
Neat

>>186910467
Fuck no, the loading times aren't worth it, i could start a new game tho, fuck sleep.

[ends internally]

I feel the urge to play cities skylines I want to make the experience challangeing and play it like a video game not city builder simulator.

What mods do you suggest I want to earn my cash and grow with problems and challenges now infinite money.

if they are endless why did they end

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>>186915568

>>186915568
because the endless ended the endless, since they were endless they had no natural end. thus, the only thing that could end them was the endless themselves, bringing them to their eternal end

What's the proper ship ratio, again?

How many corvettes to destroyers to cruisers to battleships should you have?

Is there a ratio I should be following?

>>186919127
>tryharding this much in stellaris

>>186919127
100% naked corvettes

>>186846406
>30k
>a waste
Assuming you have the leviathan expansion and access to a trader that dyson sphere will pay for itself in 13 years.

>>186919127
I don't use battleships, but I generally go for a 3:2:1 ratio for corvettes:destroyers:cruisers.

Remember, destroyers are your primary damage dealers; you want to have as many as possible.

>>186919787
>accepting a 1:2 ratio when any friendly empire will give you 1:1.5

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>beating the shit out of an awakened empire with x2 your fleet power and suffocating them by taking their core worlds

Is there any better feeling?

>>186920740
They are also flimsy as fuck. The tracking bonus is overrated. More importantly though, You need to make everything you do about what you're fighting. The same weapons you use to fight a fallen empire won't work very well against the unbidden.

KA/megacannons do just fine against the unbidden, in fact it's a really easy way to defeat that disaster. But don't bring that to fight a fallen empire, because you will just get dunked. 80/20 mining lasers / proton torpedos on 100% corvettes is the key here. If you don't have mining lasers (shame on you!) you can sub in plasma cannons. And it's been statistically proven that bringing more firepower is always better than messing around with point defense or anything like that.

>>186920995
>being able to trade at all with any friendly empire after you've been doing it for a year when nobody has any minerals left
It's almost like I've done this before

>>186919425
That's great in MP, but poor in solo

A superstack battleships can pretty much mow down anything and with zero losses in the process

Are battleships still pointless to use?

[TEN]

>>186925038
good to have a few if you're going against a massive fleet

>>186921489
AI cheats. Wait until the 1st of the month and they'll have a thousand minerals.

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>biggest ship are shit
>install RS/ISB/NSC to add even biggers ships
can't be the shitties ship when you aren't the biggest one

>>186930639
Big ships just don't have enough guns in them. You shouldn't have to resort Corvette spam to be able to afford sufficient firepower to kill Awakened Empires.

>>186930978
>kill
No, just put the game on slow and play cat and mouse with them for multiple hours for each war.

Where do 4chan-ers usually upload files to share with each other?

I want to share Improved Megastructures edit to incorporate every single other useful tweak from other popular megastructure mods.

Actually all that is changed is that you can now build them anywhere in your borders unless the capital world is there otherwise a ring or a dyson sphere would kill your colony and so on + you can have all of them in the same system nothing else has been change.

What complements corvette spam mid game?
I've tried L - kinetic artillery and the rest medium plasma canons on 10 cruisers paired with 100 spam corvettes... and it's good but they just rush in and their artillery barely does anything to enemies...

I'm tempted to try destroyers with .. what? Medium - long range shit to complement corvette spam? I've heard destroyers should stay behind corvettes or wait lmao battleships are the ones that always stay behind should I use corvettes spam with a bunch of battleships that sit at long range?

How am I supposed to find living metal in this game? It's the only thing which reduces megasturcture build time and by 30% I wonder if it also stacks / resource.

>>186936301
For Stellaris you should put it on the Steam workshop.

>>186936301
use any filehosting website like zippyshare or something if you want

>>186936715
it's quite rareI think, the cybrex questline ends with it too I think but that is randomly started as well. It doesn't stack

>>186936715
pretty certain it's only on ringworlds

>>186937138
Ty

Here it is:
http://www24.zippyshare.com/v/8ucftA93/file.html

For anyone wondering what it is:
>>186936301

Basically it's the zip file from
C:\Users\xxxx\Documents\Paradox Interactive\Stellaris\workshop\content\281990\902701397

Just overwrite it.

>>186937573
I've once had a special event:
http://www.stellariswiki.com/Special_projects_1#Mount_Deep_Sea_Expedition

When you finish it you get one Living Metal resource on the planet.

why does gandhi alternate between speaking indian and english wtf

>>186938001
Because he went to an English university to become a lawyer and for a lot of his life considered himself British first Indian second until the super fucked up racism in south africa, where he was working at the time, made him reconsider his world views.

>>186938001
he was a confused poo in loo

As a megacorporation should I give my synths full rights and use them for research as well ? It would boost by 20% on a planet dedicated for research.
Or keep them ensalved and just use for mineral / food?

>>186940770
There's no downside whatsoever to giving them rights, but you shouldn't have built more than one robot on a research planet to begin with.

>>186941351
Well I've only built them on mineral / food tiles anyway now I have a huge 25 tile planet ready for colonisation full with science bonus tiles... and I'm not sure what decission to make allow synths to be free hence fill the planet with mechanical scientists for the 20% research... or keep them as slaves, fill my primary species there instead and cash in the mineral / food bonus from enslaved synths forever ( Unless AI crysis triggers lmao )

Will I lose if I join a Federation made by an AI?

>>186942034
Just check their stats if they interest you.

For example after I finish vasalising my retarded angry neighbors I'm going to start a federation with another one which has a huuuuge fleet power, is fanatic militarist egalitarian and loves me, we're going to invite just nations that are already self-sufficient and strong on their own to have an efficient federation - otherwise what's the point to join in with 3 other dick heads with no army that are also pacifists and decline everything.

Try additional map modes to spy on other empires via map and make an idea about their situation.

I want to enhance gene editing a little and I'm not sure what to change:

Targeted Gene Expressions - is a rare tech that gives you 1 gene editing point, now what feels more balanced?

Making it give you 5 points instead of one:
" Stricter control of RNA and protein production on the cellular level. " the description makes you think this shit would've been more rewarding.

Or simply make it a repeatable technology? So me or other species could indefinitely add one gene point by researching it?

>>186942216
I see, I think on of the members is a Pacifist, but they always seems to be at war (which they usually win).

>>186942496
Repeatable makes sense. Kind of like Core World Tech, you can get +1 multiple times.

>>186942496
My complaint about genetic engineering is that it doesn't affect current leaders like PSI and cyber upgrades. I can't make my leaders charismatic or semi-immortal.

>>186942986
I've installed this mod to fix that issue:
Enhanced Gene Modding which allows you to update leaders and so on, pretty useful and not game breaking but rather a fix that should be official before becomming official.

Anyway I've seen a pattern every popular and sometimes not so popular mods that balance the game in a mega positive way or add or fix features eventually end up in the next major patch as features.

Same is happening with this mod.

>>186943153
That's a good change, though I'm not sure about the repeatable tech idea. Cyber and Psi don't get a repeatable tech to improve themselves. Psi does have the RNG but that's too unreliable to be counted on.

it's possible to conquer neighbors with revolts by increasing my empire ethics attraction? not talking if it would take a long ass time, just if it's possible for the AI to have rebellions in the first place

>>186943790
True I've calmed myself and decided to not use it. But the Enhanced Gene Modding mod is a must for me alongside with Synthetic Evolution Enhanced mod, dunno if there is one for spiritualist ascension tho I don't know what they lack.

Do you guys use tradition / ascension perk mods? If yes which one you had most pleasurable experience with?

>>186868684
the AI in vox populi is much harder than in vanilla
prince in vox populi > emperor in vanilla

>>186942496
There's a Traditions mod which includes a specific bio-engineering tree.

Guys I've just fucking realized I can trade with other empires for a better deal than 2:1 on trader enclave... ffs all this time I didn't play with 100% care about relations I have with other empires.

I remember there was a button around trade window which auto filled demands in trade... was it removed?

Knock on wood, but I think Vox Pop finally works. What should I expect?

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Words, apparently. Jesus Christ.

>>186948581
You can also trade in 100, 1000 and 10000 increments based on shift/ctrl/alt clicking. Forget which is which.

Depending on if an empire has a glut of resources or is desperate for them, you can easily trade at a 9:10 ratio in your favor.

>>186950292
Doesn't matter no one wants to trade me it's all - 1000 even tho most empires in galaxy like me and have trade willingess of around 1:1 ( some ) 5% ( farily more ) 20% majority - towards them.

So I can't even trade 1.2x energy for : 1 minerals because they are always at -1000 ....

So what the fuck should I do stick with traders for 2:1 or are there some mods to work around this?

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>>186940770
>>186941351

Doesn't matter I'm fucked, what to do now?

I need some help with waging war in stellaris. I've got a really good game going with a hive mind empire. Lots of good planets, lots of territory, blah blah. Chose the great devourer trait that makes everyone hate me lots, first mistake I guess. Now two empires have come together and declared war. It's early game so their fleets are just above 2k. My fleet easily over powers them. But I can't catch them. I am loosing planets on either side of my empire and I can't do anything about it. My fleet is too slow, and when I do catch the enemy they retreat instantly to safety. Do I let my worlds burn and focus on taking theirs?

How're you guys liking Endless Space 2? I'm not much of a 4x guy but I love Endless Legend and I've got an itch for sci-fi.

>>186951395
Trick your opponent. Build a lure station in the middle of a system (or several systems) near your border, and leave a single "defenseless" transport next to the station. Enemy fleet attacks transport, gets moved to middle of system because lure station. Have your fleet jump in to attack before the enemy can run away.

>>186951769
It's good but the game shipped incomplete. Amplitude have been total champs updating it as quickly as they can but there are still some pretty egregious missing pieces (i.e. carriers do not deploy craft)

>>186951982
Not that guy but curious should I use the cheapest defense station just for that purpose of luring or could I go nuts with a big fully upgraded one.

>>186950554
Nothing really, the AI uprising is still weak as fuck.

>>186950554
Rev up that navy. AI rebellion will only be a crisis if you let it.

>>186952758
They'll only last a few seconds either way, though stuffing a fortress with 4 forged crystal hull mods caused it to last a minute against a 20k fleet. Still died but it did it's job pinning the enemy fleet into position.

Sometimes I do build fortresses if only to stop enemy reinforcements or from them to try and snipe re-taking their planets.

The important part is watching their fleet prepare tor jump in system so you can time your fleet's arrival to be within a few in game days. Never expect a fortress to win against an real fleet.

Ok so tested out if you form a federation with militarists you can still basically liberate / vassalize anyone you want but even more funny you can demand cede planet to most empires I've tried to.

So guys either start your federations with militarists or don't join the ones that have pacifists in them and federations are suddenly good.

damn it, Wiz, stop putting your political opinions in your games

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>>186921168
>Is there any better feeling
jeh playing a strategygame with strategy in it

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WHERE IS YOUR HONOR NOW, LORDS OF THE AMBER PLAINS?

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>>186957202
Can hear you over all this Dust.

>>186957398
>Can
must be a shit amount of dust

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What civ do I choose?

>>186957742
poland of course

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>>186957742
or just roll

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>>186957814
Your the boss.
Cant end well.

>>186957742
The Cult. Always.

>start new game
>some purple 1.5k fleet just appeared in my home system and stays in a barren world orbit before my explorer corvets even had a chance of leaving
the fuck is this? friendly event or I'm fucked?

>>186958598
If I remember correctly the even will make them be able to trade with you some of their cruisers or something, they're basically a mini mercenary trader dlc if you get them.

>>186958879
oh ok, they look cool, migh keep them for collection stationed in my home world next to the pirate ships you can rescue
it cost credits or minerals?

>>186958980
They will offer 15 cruisers equipped with plasma weapons and arc emitters and around 4000 total fleet power in exchange for 3000 Minerals.png minerals and 1500 Energy Credits.png energy credits. If asked to lower the price there is a 50% chance they will lower it to 2000 Minerals.png minerals and 1000 Energy Credits.png energy credits, otherwise they will politely refuse to reduce it. If the offer is accepted the fleet will arrive in 30 days at the empire's capital.

http://www.stellariswiki.com/Nomad_events

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Venice and Germany did not get a chance to make capitals, I pity killed Germany.

Beliefs are bugged, nice. Is there a way to fix this or is it gg?

>>186959115
all those 3 happen or just one?, for what I can see so far I'm surrounded by desert planets when I'm in an oceanic one, so those pops could be useful

>>186959219
Are you playing on the hottest new version? If not, grab it and start a new game.

>>186958174
based poland

Jesus... militarist faction is so broken and shitty - what should I do with them suppress them out of existence from my empire?

>>186959413
>Newest Version:
August 23rd (2.8.23)

Huh, better do that then, thanks.

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>>186959219
New version fixed it, didn't read the updates tho.

I got a bigger map so all the capitals can get plopped down, so far so good, but i got my eye on Attila.

>>186960809
Does YnAEMP still let you colonise North America in the classical era?

>>186961026
Depends on the map if i recall, you can sail long side Greenland on the Giant Earth.

>>186960809
that's a lot of covs

>>186961324
*civs

>>186961324
*cows

Is there a way to change the date format in Cities Skylines? I'm not seeing one anywhere.

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>>186961324
Just the entire world.

This Austrian cunt is really asking for some impaling.

>>186961568
you're gonna need a bigger stick for her

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>>186961631
Yeah, I think i fucked up. Riga stole my worker and a settler.

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The battle over Graz was unsuccessful.

Theresa demanded some cotton, told her to fuck off, and she moved her troops from the borders, now is my time to strike, atleast i have seige weapons this time.

Russia is keeping the Huns in check, for now.

Meanwhile in the African continent, the Zulu are at war, no idea if he is wrecking shit, but he has 6 cities.

>>186957202
this joke was all i could think about when i studied political science

Oh so you can';t anymore vassalize a fallen empire damn, I remember being able to do it - or liberate them and do research agreements.

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>>186964502
The Russians cant seem to keep a hold on the Huns, guess history does repeat itself, over and over and over.

>>186965326
protect catherine

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Graz has been taken, Austria is no longer a threat, just annoying.

To the north Sweden has gotten quite a lot of cities, some from Denmark I'd assume, Germany has asked me to help beat some sense into Sweden, I agree.

The Huns and Russia are in a stalement, but Persia and Babylon are helping Catherine, she stole some of my lands tho.

China has 15 cities and Korea keeps losing citites, the Mongols are starting to knock down city states

And i have no idea what is happening in Africa, and the Americas.

>>186967708
She is my shield from Attila.

I'm thinking, actually I'm going for it:

Making a mod that automates trade but this way:
It parses all empires you have communication with and starts from the highest trade willingness then according with your settings in a menu I will implement it's going to trade w/e you defined minerals, energy, resources for again w/e you want at the optimal price by that I mean obviously for minerals / energy above 2:1 ratio which you get with trader enclave anyway.

Basically you could play an energy / mineral only empire and if you're friendly at least with some good pool of empires you will forever be sustained as you'll get most deals at a 75% - 90% trade exchange.

You think this is good, also suggest me more features it's going to be a long road as it's going to have lots of events and fuckery.

>>186968241
>ethiopia winning

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>>186969339
Religion really buffs up the score i think, and there is still loads of civs that haven't been met.

The Inca have a really easy game, since they start with 50 maintains near them, hope the aztecs are beating them, or the Indians.

Time to save Denmark.

>>186969946
korea worst korea!

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>>186957398
>>186957463
SOMEONE MENTION DUST?

Did paracucks ever fix that problem of someone else stealing your precursor quest endings?

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Sweden had no army, so it was a easy victory, liberated Kaupang, and got Sweden as a vassal.

Russia is plotting.

The Chinese are hated by all its neighboring kingdoms, but that wont stop them,

Many call me a warmonger too, I'll show them warmongering.

I literally just now realized that the Garrison promotion for archers counts the city center as a district

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>be relaxing in my empire just researching and chill
>suddenly fanatical purifiers declare war on me
>defend myself and protect my galaxy by wiping them out
>somehow I'M the bad guy

>>186974352
You killed your enemies so they won.

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Time for the pole cunt.

Finally the most op unit is ready.

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Zelevas.

Any word on the new stellaris feudal mechanic? Is it worth a shit to vassalize instead of conquest now?

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This war is going surprisingly well,

But we met Hiawatha, hes not even the guy with the top score, I'm scared.

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Guess it was the Iroquoians that are top score, Freedom land got btfo.

meanwhile half of Europe has denounced me, Austria became a vassal of holland. and then they declared war.

Brazil is also having trouble with natives.

The peaceful nation of Songhai is king of Africa.

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I don't know what is going on, but I like it.

>>186981063
don't trust that nigga

>>186981063
>THERE IS NO SCENE LOADED FOR THIS LEADER!!
Bug?

>>186957202
our electronic old men and their 'flexibility' has allowed us to make progress in the mythical city on the hills

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There has to be porn of these, right?

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>>186982065
The game cant support 43 civs, so only some of them have screens that move.

Got backs tabbed by Germany, after Rome and the Byzantine declared war on me, Rome and Venice are on bad terms so his unit hopefully cant come, if he has any.

Denmark is still loyal.

Every civ has defense pacts out the ass, so ill just wait for declarations.

This might end bad.

I'll go eat, be back in hours.

>>186982254
When the power drops, go in and go in and go in and go in and go in like the US Marshalls and his three daughters!

>>186975924
The game itself isn't worth playing.

>>186984764
How long does it take to calculate turns with that many AIs?

>>186988630
six gorillion

>>186972604
Nope! Expect the quest to sit at 5/6 completed until the end of time, even if you build 2 science ships in 2200.

>>186975924
>feudal mechanic
It's just a civic that gives you a bonus for having vassals.

Authoritarians are getting an unrelated influence buff, though, so authoritarian play will finally be viable.

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>>186988630
Just timed a turn it was, 1:22 min.

>>186922504
They're great in single player as well, you just don't need them because the AI is dumb

>>186993852
Sounds almost unplayable

>>186993852
Cpu?

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>>186996363
Nah, but it only gets worse from here.

>>186996512
Decent

>>186996626
Not bad, bit dated but not bad, can you not overclock it?

>>186996740
Never looked into it.

>>186997341
If you have a non-stock cooler and the overclockable version of that CPU its worth looking into.

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>>186997459
I think it's a Noctua fan, and I smoke inside so I'm scared to open the case.

So Germany had a weak army, so does Augustus and Theodora, they aren't moving in just harassing the borders.

Songhai is still shitting out Wonders like no tomorrow.

>>186993530
The infuriating thing is that they said how they were going to fix it and it made sense (trigger completion the moment you enter the system rather than scan the planet anomaly), and they said they were going to implement it in 1.6, and then they just didn't do it.

>>186993530
The bigger issue is even if you manage to find all six artefacts the AI nearly always steals the final scan because its an anomaly instead of a research project.

Is there anyway to have pops of a swarm and pops of other species live together?
I know that if you own a planet with other species, they will be exterminated/moved away. Does it also work like this the other way around? If a empire owns a planet you have pops on, are they forced to move too?

>>187002678
I'm assuming you're on about Stellaris, and the answer is no. Hive Minded pops always die off if outside their empire, and purge non-hive minded pops in their empire. If you're playing a devouring swarm, why are you even trying to peacefully coexist?

>>187003584
I never said I'm playing a devouring swarm

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The Germans have found their place.

All the large civs are at war, need a world map to see what is going on.

The Celts are cheeky cunts, they know I cant reach them, they are just a drain on my happiness.

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>>187003940
>Poland
>Master of Germany

>>187003789
You said swarm pops, so my head just made that connection.

Point still stands though. Only hive minded pops can survive in hive minded empires. If you want other species in your empire, you have to modify them to have the hive mind trait. Otherwise, they get purged like your pops outside hive mind territory.

Are the mac versions of ES2, EL and Civ 6 any good? Going on a trip and sticking some games on my work laptop which is sadly a mac.

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>>187004167
Well Hitler is not born yet.

I got some maps, had to sell techs tho.

I have no clue how Hiawatha has so much tech, already atomic.

South America is all Inca, and Brazil is cucked, with 1 city left.

Ethiopia is making moves, Egypt got deleted.

This cant end with a polish victory.

How easy is it to demand tribute from a vassal (assuming that is possible at all). Im talking about vassals, not tributaries, which already give a little something.

Also do vassals retain the AI bonus of higher difficulties? Im thinking in using this to test a new faction next patch:

>fanatic militarist, authoritarian
>industrious, talented, conservationist, decadent, sedentary
>mining guilds, feudal realms
>warp and whatever weapon proves to be the strongest
>one of the cold planets for more minerals

>>187007359
Still FRIENDLY because of how afraid they are?

>>187007753

>*stellaris

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>>187007753
>Also do vassals retain the AI bonus of higher difficulties
No.

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>>187007824
They are plotting, but
>We fought together against a common foe

And I don't think he wants more wars right now.

>mfw coming back from the annihilation of 90% of my population and the loss of 70% of my territory and conquering the 2 Fallen Empires and 1 Awakened Ascendancy remaining on the map before a Crisis occurs
Currently in the process of recolonizing my home sector (Sol, Sirius, Procyon, Alpha Centauri in close proximity in the western middle rim of a 4-arm spiral) from my new empire (a mostly north-south wall along the eastern part of the map, capital in the southeastern core). I've got ~200K fleet power now, I've rebuilt and colonized 3 ringworlds and repaired a Sentry Array and I'm currently just waiting for whatever crisis I get. I started out as humans but all my human pops died when the Synthetic Evolution project completed and I was left with 2 biological species that I'd forgotten to upgrade.
We've come a long way. This was actually an interesting game for a while. Then a Fallen Empire declared war on an Awakened Ascendancy and they weakened each other to the point that conquering them both was laughably easy.
>Fallen Empires declaring war on Awakened Ascendancies is not the same as a War in Heaven
Fucking stupid, militant Fallen Empires will fight anyone over territory encroachment without thinking. Stupid developers.

>>187008659

Hmm, not so good. What about tributes? Can you demand from them such a thing?

>>187002678
>>187004328
It's easy to have hive and non-hive pops to live together.
Just set the species purge type to displace. And because displace doesn't work in any serious manner, the non-hive pops will sit there forever.

Alright Vox, let's see what you've got. For the glory of Rome!

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>>187010713
Mah pics. Good start! Hill's gonna eat a turn, though.
Starting with a pathfinder? I guess they're different now, but still weird. Fitting that the weird dark-skined Romans are sent off into the wilderness with the expectation that they'll never return.

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>>187010946
What difficulty mate.

I had to free the city states from the river Jews.
Hiawatha has nukes.
Do i get Order or Autocrazy, It's best to get a new one right.

>>187013026
Autocracy, with how things are going you're gonna need it.

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>>187013026
Prince. Heard this was harder, didn't want to push it.

The lands around Rome. Unsure about this upcoming NW city, not much there, but I want that wonder and incense. Could steal the dyes from Jerusalem too I suppose. That worker is tempting as hell too. How's warmonger penalties in this?

>>187014323
You are going to get hated if you start nabbing capitals, but grabbing a city here and there wont hurt anyone.

>>187014323
Does everyone get pathfinders in vox pop?

>>186983659
this race is pure fetish fuel, and fucking OP too
>militaristic dominatrix ladies with psychic powers
>they have omniscience too so they're watching you fap

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>>187015068
It's only the model, but yes all civs start with that, later you can get scouts.

That's a lot of scalping Indians. Hiawatha also has the Apollo program done.

>>186983659
>>187015685
>autocrat is still named fucking emperor despite being female

How do I view available population slots in Endless Space 2? I picked up a Lost Horatio quest but I have no idea how to complete it.

>>187019627
by clicking on a system and looking at the vacant slots on the planets, how the hell else
to complete that quest literally all you have to do is fly the ship over a system with 3 open pop slots

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Apparently Rome wants to die, Russia is stationing troops near our border.
Most of the wars around the world are with civs far away from each other.

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Cold war and space flight regulations, guess the other civs aren't totally incompetent.

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Napoleon came outta nowhere, wasn't ready. Rome is hard to take, but it will fall sooner or later.
If anyone is following, I'm off to bed.

>jewhan removes individual purging
>switches individualism to 'egalitarianism'
He might as well rename purge to holocaust and we got the full-nosed set, boys