Etrian Odyssey General

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>captcha is goldfish

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>>187014315
The clothes of the skyship captain and Amber look pretty Peruian.
And as opposed to the guildmasters roman get-up their clothes are not work related (although the captain is also wearing skyfarer clothes over his more colorful ones).

You can only enter and leave Aslarga with a skyship so it seems to be a city on an Island in a lake. And there are mountains close by.

In Lake Titicaca in the Anden mountains lies Isla del Sol with ruins that look like the first stratum of EMD - pic related.

Are there any female portraits that can pass as male?

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>>187016792

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>>187016792

cute boy

You know I just realised I out game series on rotation then obsess over them. Right now its Etrian Odyssey, before was Souls, then Shin Megami Tensei, etc. Probably not healthy...

>>187016792
The other Hexer.

>>187010004
The last one sounds the most promising - you can easily stab and slash with a blade without going full anime with impractical or even transforming weapons.

I can easily see them having a passive that gives them more damage with a cut attack if they used a stab attack last turn and vice versa.

For magical damage I'd like a sword mage that uses fire/cut and volt/cut attacks - since putting ice on a blade just makes a blade of ice.

>>187017114
Depends on how far your obsession goes.
If you are just very interested and happy then it doesn't sound too bad.

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Why does I'm Glad It's Logre have a "murder your tank every 6 or so turns" button when he fights you for real and isn't just poking you with Landshark moves? It's not like I couldn't deal with it, but I found it amusing.

>>187017229
Brown-hair Hexer is a cute boy (female)!

>>187017536
That's how Imperial works.
Whenever his sword is cooled down he will use his big swing and overheat it again.
The cooling down animation is pretty hard to miss.

This may or may not be useful later on in the game...

>>187017536
If they were truly evil they'd spec him for elemental drives.
>fire drive
>heat sink
>fire drive
>ignition
>spam elemental drives and that finisher move

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>>187017776
Oh, I could tell when he was ready to use that move again, but he kept trying to use it even after I'd managed to land an arm bind on him late in the fight, and he refused to use anything else (not even a normal attack) until he could murder my tank again. He was so close to done at that point that I didn't have time to rez her before he got dancelinked to death.

>>186776903
Slowpoking hard, but I figured other anons might be interested.

>please enter an A.K.A., whatever it is
Flavor text.
>select nickname and personality, it might or might not be just flavor
Flavor text. You can go to settings to make it display nicknames instead of full names during battle.
>select alignment, whatever it means
Determines what classes you can be. At the start, Evil and Good characters will not party together.
>select age, whatever it does
When you make a character you get some free stat points to distribute however you want. You "roll" the bonus like you would with dice.
Older = bigger initial bonus, worse stat growths when leveling up
Younger = smaller initial bonus, better stat growths when leveling up
>select class, but some are red so you can't
Grey classes are unavailable because of sex and alignment, red classes are unavailable because of stat requirements. You need to hit a stat threshold to get some of the classes. (Example - a human has a base STR of 8, the Fighter class needs a base STR of 12, so you need to roll at least 4 bonus points to assign them to your STR and become a Fighter)
>pressing Y randomly locks and unlocks classes
Pressing Y "rerolls", so your stat bonus was changing. No penalties for this so do it until you're happy.
>no idea of what each class is about
It's best just to make a bunch and try them out.
>there are barely any portraits
>some face load option that is empty
Go to World Map > Face Load/Style Load. You add portraits with the 3DS camera.

JP wiki's pretty good for information. http://spoiler.sakura.ne.jp/srv/el1psp/index.html

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Rins bio says she's a warrior from the east but etria is japan anyways so what if she's a warrior from burgerland?

>>187019384
Yes. In this future Japan has conquered Murrica and Canada has annexed Russia.

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>>187019384
did she train under ken-sama

>want to buy these
>still live with parents
One day

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>>187021032
Shit

>>187021032
>>187021242
Why can't you?

>>187022024
Weeb shit is gay to my parents and no more gays.

>>187021242
The longer you wait the harder they'll be to find. Move out nigga.

>>187010004
For fire it could be enemy debuffs with smokescreens and head binds as well as fire damage.

Ice could be defensive against certain kinds of physical attacks. Ice lattice walls for cuts, concentrated ones for stab. Slicken the ground beneath allies for a speed buff.

Volt could be focused on traps and countering. Electric tripwires whenever an enemy uses a leg based attack. Sound activated bombs for head attacks. Something like that.

>>187022348
How is liking girls gay for your parents?

>>186756494
EO 2 is somewhere in the northeast coast of North America.

>>187023746
"those are dolls for little girls!"

>>187026708
How does that correlate to fucking male buttholes?

>>187027615
Old people think you're gay if you play with dolls and you're a boy.

>>187028069
Old people are weird.

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How's my team, both looks-wise and composition-wise?
I got tired of trying to beat up Ur-Child, so now I'm just messing with portraits.

>>187028348
>Vibrantly blue-haired furshit
???
>No tank for either the Pugilist or the Masurao
Interesting strategy.

>>187028348
What's your strategy for staying alive?

>>187029169
>indigo
>vibrantly blue
>not cyan or periwinkle
apply yourself

>>187029169
>>187029350
>blue-haired furshit
I wanted to have blue hair on someone, I thought the furry would be the only one it could fit with.

>no tank
Don't 1kats have decent bulk, considering their access to heavy armor?
I might also be able to make ghosts tank later on, though I'm not sure how viable of a strategy that is.
If it's really necessary, I might swap out the Warlock for a Dragoon, but then they'd fight over summon slots with the Necro.

>>187029824
Everyone assumes you'll go with the cheese party, don't be surprised.

>>187022024
Because any sane parent will disown the disappointment buying shit like that

>>187028348
>shaman AND necro
what the fuck

>>187030035
I actually did run an Ecstasy cheese party in EO2U, which is why I'm convincing myself to not go 4kat.
It was really unsatisfying for me, bosses usually got vaporized within 2-3 turns, and if they didn't, I'd have to reset because my party was fucked.
I think it's the same here. Either the boss dies instantly, or my Masu dies instantly.

>>187030372
What's the problem here, anon?

>>187030854
Too much support

>>187029350
Dragoons aren't necessary unlike EO1 and with a shaman/Necro there's plenty of healing and buffs.

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>strill 2 months until bunny waifus

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>>187033765
Rabbit season

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>>187034282

Duck season.

>>187034282
Nene hunting season.

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>>187034282
>you'll never hunt yourself a bunny waifu

are grimoiress in eov? i'm going through untold and i really hate how this shit seems to be balanced into the game design.

>>187035752
In EOV they use the forge system instead.
The forge system means that some weapons have skills that you wouldn't normally be able to obtain, from different classes or enemies.

>>187035752
No. Grimoires were made as a stand-in for subclassing, since I and II don't have it. They're shit in U1, and good in U2.

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>>187036774
>3U happens
>Replaces subclassing with grimoires to stay consistent with the other Untolds.

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>when you want to Rickypost, but you are no longer a dirty neet

>>187036134
>some weapons have skills that you wouldn't normally be able to obtain, from different classes or enemies.
Wouldn't they still be completely worthless in like 5 levels after you've grown past their stats?

Is level 30 too low for my party to take on the ant queen? Destroyed 4/5 egg nests, got the preemptive strike but still got destroyed. My alchemist with analysis, dilution and frailty curse only dealt ~250 damage with fire formula 5 so something weird is going on.

>>187038543
You're better off trying to ambush the queen while she's trying to lay another egg. I don't remember how, but I do remember that it gives you barely enough time to kill her if you set up properly.

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>>187037383
they wouldn't dare

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>>187044159
Gunner-chan a cute!

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>>187044159
Dragoon gunner is better

Spinning the tale means the story we're coming up in our head isn't it?

Are Nectars easy to farm in EOV?
I just realized my team has decent healing and buffs, but no revives.

>>187049338
No!
Fuck you for not having a token healer.

>>187049491
but anon i have a potato
but it's a defensive shaman, not a botanist

>>187049593
I was pretending to be the game developers damning you for not going for a predesignated party

>>187049760
sarcasm is hard to get over text, anon
but i still need to know, are nectars still locked behind a rare item?

>>187049854
Yes they're a bitch to get.

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>>187049992
Why must it be this way?
Looks like I'll have to make my Necromancer the supportive kind, for that RNG revive.
I hope I don't miss out on too much fun stuff by giving up Zombie Powder.

>>187050324
With the summoning spesialization, you will end up with more wraiths than you know what to do with.
It gets annoying because they do chip damage and weak.
But you can do some broken stuff with that counter spell.

>>187050528
Now that I think about it, maybe I can drop Warlock for a dodge Fencer, since I already have access to all three elements with summoner Necro and 1kat Masu.
Summon ghosts, point enemies to attack at Fencer.
That counter spell looks neat, thanks.

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Can anyone figure out what this is saying?

>>187053820
Everything is what you think it says.
It says the stratums going down by layer.
They 6th stratum is at the earth's normal surface.

>>187054373
>They 6th stratum is at the earth's normal surface.
Wait - I thought the last floor of Shinjuku is on the surface. You see streets and shit on the outside.

>>187050728
Shaman also has all three elements although they need to refresh their buffs to use them.

>>187057632
They're buried underground
>But the lighting
Yeah I dunno, bio luminescence or some shit.

>>187058119
Fleshy walls just have a natural sheen.

>>187057736
Don't those work like the oils and work only on normal attacks?
Unless you mean Oracle: Dance, but that sounds too slow and TP-intensive for me.

>>187061246
Oracle: Dance and Oracle: Three Runs for the offensive Shaman.
Three Runs has five hits with 200% INT damage each - so 1000% against a single target.

And what else is your Shaman gonna do when their buffs are up and running? Normal attacks to poke enemies?

>>187061417
If you read the reply chain, I did say I'd make a defensive shaman.
Is getting Three Runs worth losing pseudo-Artery and pseudo-Vampire?

>>187061628
Even Dance deals more damage than just poking wiht arrows - and it has a resistance decrease for your Necromancer and Masurao.

I'm not sure how useful a defensive Shaman is for a Dodge Fencer.
If there are only single-target and mutli-hit skills thrown around, the Fencer will eat them all and not get hit.
So you don't need to heal anything.
And if there are line or party targeted skills thrown around the Fencer will do very little so you need some massive healing - which probably means sacrificing ghosts with your Necromancer.
Offensive Shaman also has Oracle: Halo if you know a certain element is coming (which is often not that easy to predict in EOV) and more importantly Channel the Gods for a massive damage reduction for one turn.

Defensive Shaman is really great with a Dragoon though since together they turn your party into juggernauts.

>>187062178
Offensive Shaman it is, then.
I really want to try playing an EO game without the Protector equivalent, for once.
And I guess it does make sense that I won't need regeneration if I'll be using the dodge tank over the reduction/sponge tank.

>>187058119
Then what was the reason to make people feel like shinjuku is on normal surface and stratum 6 is going undergrown to tree roots, i think they even mentioned something about tree roots and primeevil

>>187062951
I don't think there are any tree roots in Clearet Hollows. It's a bit fleshy for that.

The one that was gnawing on tree roots is the Insatiable Pupa in EOIV.

http://gematsu.com/2017/08/atlus-establishes-european-publishing-division

>>187063218
Didn't they establish their relationship with Deep Silver only some time ago?
I'm worried for the EU release - how wrong are things going if they are now establishing their own team.

Also:
>eu
>london
kek

>>187063218
>Atlusjp makes a game
>AtlusUSA translates it badly
>AtlusEU translates it again from the US version
It'll be the worst game of broken telephone

>>187063845
>Remus
>Ramus
>Rambo

>>187063845
>AtlusEU translates it again from the US version

>implying they won't just use the us version and call it a day

It's not the 90s/early 2000s anymore. Unless it's a AAA title with a budget larger than a small country's GDP you are expected to get it in English.

>>187064194
Rambou

>>187064247
Rambeaux

>>187064390
Ramulus because they want to be extra clever.

>>187064247
>>187064390
Browneye

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War revive!

5 more days until an actual good EO game comes out.

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>>187066439
Fangwife

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>>187066548
My Hexerwife

Is Channel the Gods as impractical as I think it is?

>>187067709
Memories of a previous life can help with getting your buffs back.
It's definitely nothing you can spam (unless RNGesus loves you) but it is another way to survive a turn if you already exhausted your Unison skills.

>>187063406
It's so they can do the 1 dollar=1 pound conversion and fuck over all of Europe. NISA and IFI did it before.

>>187068063
>Unison skills
So they're about reaching agreements now?

>>187068383
Ah fuck, they are Union skills.

Does that mean adventurer have unionized? Do they require days off and more than an hour of sleep per day now?

>>187068557
8 hours of rest per day minimum and two free days per week.

>>187068845
Well, then those lazy bastards better pay for their inn themselves.
And I will need to run at least two groups or else I am losing money!

Those adventurers are lucky I don't pay them or their wages would plummet.

Any way to download the cia files of the dlcs of EU2?

>>187069374
0004008c0015f200 a3d84b2dbc55f32df9502cff80775eb8
Title ID and titlekey for the US version of EO2U.

0004008c0016e900 6defa304d9981f234b7f96600392ded6
Title ID and titlekey for the EU version of EO2U.

>eu2
anon r u ok

>>187063218
>in London
>mfw I'm in London
You guys don't understand, now I can go to atlus in person and shitpost in real life. Really though I hope this means same day release as the US, continued physical copies and us getting the pre order bonuses.

I'm not entirely sure but isn't Yakza 6s pre order and first print coming with a nice artbook? Same with Yakuza 0 having the business card holders. We receive those even in EU and those are Sega owned so moving forward this does seem to bode well.

>>187069374
>>187069738
I should clarify, these are only for the DLC's.
Do you want the update patches too?

>>187069825
You have my thanks, the update patches are mandatory?

>>187069945
No idea, but I got them anyway.

0004000e0015f200 7f0e05bb5c3e5036ed793ce1936b2013
US.

0004000e0016e900 29a7ba5503fbf948009d8345ac4a3bd1
EU.

I probably should've asked for your region instead of posting both of these twice each.

>>187070030
Anyway, you have my thanks anon

>>187063146
Stratums don't look branchy as well, and it was definitely mentioned that primeevil is the core of a tree and with how trees work the core should be somewhere around root area

Stop pirating 3ds EO games, the series is already ded as is.

>>187073076
I bought EOIV and le millenom girl.
Couldn't find a copy of le fafnir naito at my local games shop and was too lazy to go anywhere else, so that's why I pirated it.

>>187073316
Of all the reasons for piracy this is the one I agree most with.
If publishers don't make sure you have access to their product they don't want your money - and who are you to argue with their bad business decisions?

>>187073392
>>187073316
You can literally purchase it on the e-shop and download it straight onto your 3DS.

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EO5 won't be dubbed...right?

>>187075061
Where have you been for the past month?

>>187075061
It will. You can already hear some of the voices in the class trailers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_zGjRsJYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKpMerQ_hYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o1fCExsoic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOooF5C2KKo

>>187075186
Asleep. P5 localization took so long I forgot about EO5.

>>187075061
Of course it will. And no dual audio.
We've been lamenting this since EOV came out in japan

>>187075213
This almost hurts physically.

>>187075318
Time to pirate the undub.

>>187075216
Fair enough, anon.

Luckily, you should be able to use the options setting to mute the voices.

>>187075412
DIS WOOB DO!
DIS WOOB DO!

>>187075318
>Dual audio
Pardon?

So.
SO!
How good is a Fencer tank?

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>>187075216
In that case here are the highlights of the localisation we have seen until now:

Lunarian -> Celestrian
Broni -> Brouni (instead of Browni which is an actual mythological creature)
Remus -> Ramus
Edgar -> Egar
Serik -> Syrik (the Japanese one was bad but they made it worse)
Melina -> Mirina
Genetta -> Jenetta (why even bother?)
Soror -> Solo
Arcadia -> Arcania
Aeolis -> Iorys

Hound -> Rover
Reaper -> Harbinger
Herbalist -> Botanist
Cestus -> Pugilist
But Masurao stayed the same...

>>187075885
Not very.

>>187075885

Evasion not fully guaranteed. Doesn't help whole party as much since AOEs shit on it.

>>187075885
Great against single target and multi-hit skills, bad against line and party targeted skills.
In EOIV they would be king but EOV is less focussed on the things Fencer is good at.

Having a second line of defence is recommended.

>>187075778
Meaning english and japanese voices in the same game, toggled in the options. Most (pc) ports have this nowadays

>>187076110
Why were we lamenting that when EOV was released in Japan, it wouldn't have any language other than Japanese right?

>>187075959
>>187075980
>>187076025
Can I get a rundown of the actual mechanics of Fencer dodge tanking? I'm assuming it's different to Fortresses "dodge" tanking in EOIV with Fan Dance.

>>187076227
Demand for western voices in Japan is low. Demand for japanese voices in the west is high. Simple.

>>187076327
No, I mean why is it unusual for Japanese games to not have dual audio? Isn't that what you'd expect?

>>187076227
I was lamenting it because it was clear as day there would be no dual audio in the western release ever. There was no doubt even from the beginning. Being a gaijin is suffering

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>>187076528
>DSJ doesn't get dubbed
>EO5 does.

no comprende.

>>187076470
Well I'll say it again, demand for western voices is low. Also you do realise the game gets made originally in japan THEN gets translated to english? It's only when that happens that a western dub comes into existence. And since demand is low and localisation can take a few months if not more they don't really need to patch em in.

>>187076325
Before getting their legendary name:
Use a skill to generate aggro and increase dodge chance for one turn - both decrease for every attack against you.
Basically a one turn Provoke on steroids. But it does not redirect attacks to you. So neither is it guaranteed to draw attacks (although very likely) nor does it do anything against area attacks.

Once they get their legendary name:
The same but naked.

Ok, they also have a skill that deals some damage and gives them a small aggro and evade boost for a turn which don't decrease for every attack - but its aggro boost is not all that great.

>>187063218
At least we are sure to get EOV in Europe.

>>187076817
I see. So they're an off-tank kind of character?
If they deal decent damage, is it viable to have a dodge Fencer as your only "tank" in an offensive party and then use a Shaman or Warlock or whatever has the best anti-AoE spell as your survivability steroid in boss fights?

I prefer to avoid using the generic tank in my first playthrough.

>>187077103
They should be your main tank since they do not a whole lot besides tanking.

Your best bet against area damage would be binds and ailments to shut that stuff down outright.

Buffs/debuffs might also get stacked high enough to make sure your people don't die although that synergizes better with a Dragoon of course.

Offensive Shaman has a skill that decreases the damage of one enemy by 80% for a turn but they need 3 buffs that all get stripped for that (although they have a passive that might reapply them).

Necromancers can have their ghosts tank (like a Fortress/Beast) but they are not too sturdy unless you cheese a 9999HP ghost.

And there are Union skills similar to Burst skills from EOIV that can buy you a turn or two.

Primeval Forest Ring is an amazing stratum theme

holy shit

>>187077663
So overall Fencers are pretty trash then? Unfortunate, I really enjoyed my EOIV Landy.

>>187078894
It's okay, the mascot fencer is also trash.

>>187078894
Neither of their specs is easy to use.
They aren't bad but I'm not sure if they are worth the trouble.

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>>187016289
1000 hours in gimp later.
Post your team /vg/

>>187021032
>>187021242
Really want to buy one of those too, mainly later since I'm a bit short of money rn

>>187028348
I like the Shaman and Warlock colors, I would change the colors of the necromancer for a darker tone

Pugilist is alright, Masurao is meh (mainly because of the blue), I would change for a darker blue

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Sorry for asking this question again but - if I live in Europe but my 3DS can play games regardless of region, is it good idea for me to import pre-order version of EOV with its bonuses, if (produdly canadian) shop in question offers me free shipping?

Should I pull the trigger?

>>187080332

Is that (l)elf girl really so salty so you gave her such name?

>>187080620
Go for it, anon.
What are the pre-order bonuses for EOV anyway?

>>187080756

6 track OST CD and artbook in bigger box.

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So how much do you need a tank and a healer in EOV, especially in the post game?

I thought about running a party of a 4kat, strike cestus, debuff reaper, hawk hound (or summon shaman) and debuff shaman
or a cannon dragoon, debuff reaper, strike cestus, healing herbalist and buff shaman.

Is the second party too defensive until I get my second names? Is the first one too offensive?

>>187080332
Your naming scheme is very straightforward. I like that

>>187080972
4kat bunny dies to a stiff breeze.
Strike Cestus sacrifices their own life so even with an Earthlain base they are not that sturdy.
Your first party is definietely too squishy.

And what are summon shaman and debuff shaman?
All shamans buff only one of them has more damage and the other has passive healing.

>>187080707
Well, wanted to name them after characters from legend/mythology/famous story

Kaguya from the story 'The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter', Lancelot from the legend of The Knights of the Round Table, Goliath in the Bible, Sól is the goddess of Sun and Hel the goddess of Death (Necromancer) in Nordic Mythology

>>187081161
Thanks, naming characters is one of my favorite things to do in EO

>>187081305

I said salty because "sól" is also polish word for "salt" :)

>>187080756
A few pages of the official artbook and a few songs of the official OST.

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>>187081434
oh, didn't know about it, makes sense now

>>187081276
Oops I meant summon necro which should be Spirit Evoker and with debuff shaman I mean Divine Punisher.

>>187075213
You're able to turn off voices, right? I might use voices for the first few floors of the first stratum, but they'll probably get old really quickly.

>>187081683

>those painted nails

DIS
GUS
TING

>>187081753
Got it.
But even with those your first party still has a frontline made of tissue paper.

For the second party it's a bit of a shame to take a Harbinger (Reaper) along and have neither bind Pugilist (Cestus) nor a smoke Botanist (Herbalist).
One of the best debuffs Harbinger has is a debuff to infliction rates. Any Celestiran (Lunarian - elf) can make good use of that with one of their Union skills that tries to inflict all binds with a pretty good rate but having more infliction is of course nice.

But even if you don't want to change anything your second party looks better and really damn sturdy.
Overheal from the Botanist, HP and def buff from the Shaman and a Dragoon will make you very hard to kill - just bring enough Amritas to be able to slug it out.

>>187082203
Iirc there should be an option to turn them off, just like you can turn off background music and the like in any game.
You can also just create characters without a voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4SK1FVyb2g

Lunarian Pugilist for infinite binding: Yay or nay?

>>187083837
INT is not used for infliction aside from the Celestrian skill that tries to inflict all binds. LUC is what you want (like in EO2U).
Earthlain has the most LUC but also more STR, VIT and HP than Celestrians. Only thing elfs offer is more TP but Pugilist has probably the lowest TP costs of any class.

So: nay.

>>187083156
Is it elitist to not like dubs? 'Cause I don't think I like them atm

>>187084324
nah the voices may simply be displeasing to some
you can always mute them enjoy NPC voices randomly dimming the music volume anyway, doubt they've fixed that coming from EOU2

>>187084454
I want to like the voices. It's one of the things EO hasn't had before. I hope I'll warm up to them someday

>>187083156
Can you preview voices at all before selecting portraits?

>>187083156
I feel it is pretty misleading that all those ailments stick...
But then again it's only against first and second stratum enemies and the potatoes are in their high 20s.

But the level 1 Harbinger is still going strong in those vids, I see.

Defensive Dragoon
Chaining Fencer
4Kat Masurao
//
Warlock
Botanist

How does it sound?

>>187084806
You can preview them while selecting portraits.
In fact, any portrait can have any voice even across genders.

>>187084128
While talking about Pugilist, how's their damage?
Are they comparable to non-Ecstasy Whip DH?

>>187084995
A generation too late for trap Landy.

>>187084923
Chains are not Links - they are like Chasers that also get activated by stab damage.
All you have to activate them is the Warlock, one skill of base Masurao 4kats should not use because they have far better damage options and your Botanist using normal attacks with a bow.
So your Chain Fencer will usually sit there and attack once for not that much damage.

Also I am not a huge fan of defensive Dragoon since their TP costs are high and their additional defence is not but that is just a personal thing.

>>187085284
>Chasers only work with stab damage
Rats. So my only option is... a Hawk Rover?

>>187085543
The Chains work with their element and also stab damage.
So Warlock is good because it has the whole package.
Necromance has fire natively and one of their legendary names also has ice.
1kat Masurao has volt.
Shaman has all elements but they need to reload after every attack. They can also infuse normal attacks and wield a bow but that is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Rover has stab damage but pets don't count for Chains or the Masurao's Sanzu.

Fencer also has a Chain that activates when binds or ailments are inflicted which deals quite a lot more damage than the elemental Chains.

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Botanist trailer
https://youtu.be/Y4SK1FVyb2g

>>187087218
see:
>>187083156

>>187085010
In short:
They deal more damage than a whip DH without Ecstasy but less than a whip DH with Ecstasy.
They either want targets fully bound and ailed or without any binds.

In long:
Their binding skills have higher damage but lower infliction rates than Dark Hunter although Earthlain LUC lessens the later point a bit.
They also have One-Two for one attack that always happens followed by a chance to use any bind skill for a body part that isn't currently bound.
So a total of four hits (although it's unreliable).

With their bind focussed legendary name they get Double Punch for a chance to use a binding skill that fails to inflict its bind again - but that one is more about increasing your binding chance since they have better damage options.
Like Lead Blow - after one hit it will use any binding skills for an already bound body part as well as their ailment skill if the enemy has any ailment.
That's a total of five skills if the enemy is fully bound and has an ailment.
As opposed to One-Two these skills will always happen but of course need the binds and ailments beforehand.

>>187087218
Those are some cute, happy potatoes.

Who should I put into an ailment party of Barrage Brawler Cestus, Deathguard Reaper and Poisoner Herbalist?

>>187090767
Either an elemental Warlock or an offensive Shaman as your source of elemental damage.

Why are the called "dragoons"? Obviously they're not based off of jumping lancers.

>>187090767
Any Celestrian has the Union skill that attempts to inflict all binds in one turn.
Six element Warlock has arm bind and stun (and petrify but that's a strange skill).
Necromancer has poisonand their Evoker legendary name has curse and more importantly Curb Atk Up which affects their bind skill as well.

Offensive Dragoon also has curse (which sucks on anyone because it's curse) and sleep. And it gives you more defense while you apply your stuff.

>>187091249
Because actual Dragoons are historical soldiers that used horses to travel faster but not while fighting.
Jumping is just something Final Fantasy came up with.

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>>187091249
Why are fortresses called fortresses? They are not heavily fortified castles. I wish though

>>187091438
Is there even a point running a smoke herba if the necromancer also has poison and other ailments?

Also I guess I could forego the elemental damage if I take a spirit evoker necro who has ice and fire and the cestus has some lightning attack

In order to get myself a bit more prepared for EOV release:

1) What options do players have for restoring/saving TP mid-fight? Im pretty sure that as usual, constant using of defensive skills from Drag will make it deplete TP fast and I expect boss fights to last for long. Or V takes II approach aka "nuke or die"?
2) How would fare party of shield Drag, chain Fencer, 1kat Masurao, healer Botanist and elemental Warlock? How viable are Harbinger and Shaman classes?

>>187092583
Cestus has no volt attack - that's Masurao.
Cestus does have a paralysis skill.
But really, missing volt is not too terrible so if you want a Necro you can use them.

The smokes not only try to inflict their ailment but also debuff the enemy's resistance against that ailment - which stacks with the Reaper debuff.
So as long as an enemy is not fully immune against an ailment both of them work together quite well.
You can first use the Smoke (which comes out faster thanks to Smoke Boost), then Feeble Miasma with the Reaper (which is rather slow to come out) and the next few turns infliction chances are pretty damn high.
Also Smoker Herbalist has access to petrify and a big damage blast that needs both a Smoke debuff and an ailment on the enemy.

But an elf is probably better as a potato in that role since both their INT and LUC are higher and they don't evne lose much WIS.

>>187093598
1.)
Shaman has some TP restoration.
Every race has a passive that can give TP back if they use a base skill and a passive that can give some TP back if they use an advanced skill (from their legendary names).
Every race has access to a Union skill that restores some TP.

Dragoon has some TP trouble since Earthlain has the smallest pool and their skills are more expensive than they used to be - but they do have Gun Mount.
That skill repeats the Guard skill you used last turn while dealing some damage. All leveling up that skill does, is increase the damage so you can leave it at a low level for a cheap repeat.

2.)
>>187085284
1kat Masurao still will not want to use their stab skill too often and they only have a volt skill.
Chain Fencer will still be the weak link.

Harbinger is not easy to use but has some nice tools. They also can be build in a lot of different directions.
Shaman is a good buffer but not as insane as EO2U Troub. They do however have more other uses with some damage or heal. Pretty good in the right party.

>>187093603
Thunder God Fist does volt damage, does it not?

>>187094696

Damn it. I kinda wanted a party that would fit my balanced but more focused on defense playstyle from older games like that Hoplite/Monk/Gladiator/Ninja/Zodiac party from EOIII or Protector/Ronin/DH/Medic/Gunner from EOII.

>>187095270
I always forget they actually have another spec.

Yes it is - sorry.
But it will also eat up to half of your HP.

>>187080332
>those names
>male dragoon
Get out

>>187095445
Well, just take the Fencer out and put something else in.
Barrage Pugilist can take a hit as long as you keep their Earthlain base instead of using another race. They also have binds which are great defensive tools.

Maybe defensive Dragoon is a bit much since their skills are a bit expansive but resting into offensive Dragoon for passive Pillbox generation is always possible.

>>187096107

B-b-but I wanted to have Nene...

>>187096302
Reclass Nene into a Pugilist.

>>187096302
Then suicide is the only solution

>>187096302
If you want to use a Chain Fencer your best bet would be taking out the Masurao for a dog Rover and the Botanist for a Shaman.

Dog Rover is a healer that can reliably deliver stab damage - that is stronger than an auto attack.
Shaman can buff damage and with Oracle: Dance deal elemental damage and increase enemy's vulnerability to that same element which helps the Warlock and the Fencer. But they do have to reapply their elemental buff to reload Dance.

With a Dragoon and a defensive Shaman with Guardian and/or Longevity you are still really defensive.

With both a Rover and a Warlock a Chain fencer can reliably deal acceptable damage every turn since you get two Chain activations.
Shaman can add a third activation while also increasing your Fencer's damage.
And if you use a Union skill to shield your party your Dragoon can normal attack (with the Shaman buff since its group targeted) for a fourth activation.

Pretty stable party with a Fencer as its centerpiece.

>>187091628
>Because actual Dragoons are historical soldiers that used horses to travel faster but not while fighting.
That still doesn't explain why they named the EOV class "dragoon."

>>187099175
They have guns. French Dragoons had guns

>>187099175
The reason they are even named Dragoon is their weapon - a type of small blunderbuss that was called "dragon".
EOV's Dragoon has a similar weapon (although a bit larger).

How Final Fantasy managed to get from that to jumping with spears is a Japanese mystery.

>>187099605
square is retarded

>>187099795
Their naming game is just too strong.
"Final"Fantasy... 15.

>>187099945
"Final" as in "finally we forced that fuck Nomura to release the damn game", especially true for XV

>>187099945
"Etrian" Odyssey

anyone got link to a eou2 undub? i broke mine after updating with freeshop ;_;

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>>187100371
Localisation fuck-up.
"The labyrinth of the World Tree" is a pretty fitting description.

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>>187099370
>No FSA style game with an EO skin.

>>187101012
I¡d take it a hundred times over EMD.

>>187100714
It's fitting but it still doesn't sound good.

>>187101570
Sekaiju no Meikyuu sounds pretty good.
It's not Atlus' mistake that labyrinth and tree don't rhyme in English.

>>187100714
Even though there wasn't an idetifiable single tree.

>>187102386
5th Stratum boss?

>>187102993
Not like anyone knew.

>>187103275
Visil knew and has been the chieftain for forever.
And the entire city wanted to suck him off.
If he ever dropped "world tree" in reference to the labyrinth they would take that name without questioning it.

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>>187086657
What are the results, doctor?

>bind enemys head
>elemental attacks do more damage
The game should really tell you stuff like this. Unless it's in the manual or something.

>>187105126

I'm afraid you've tested positive for a severe case of bestgirl-itis.

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>>187105375
>best girl
Give Nene the award and no one gets hurt.

>>187105690
>bunnies
They can get hurt.

>>187105319
TEC based skills deal more damage since their TEC get cut in half which is where most of their TEC defence comes from.

STR or AGI based mixed elemental skills don't get any stronger while skills like the Troubadours Fantasias do make them stronger.

>>187105781
They like getting hurt.

>>187105815
Interesting. So the Ronins Frigid Slash for instance is one attack with a larger physical portion and a smaller elemental portion according to the jap wiki so how comes it doesn't see a damage increase? The elemental portion should still increase.

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>>187105375
Oh no.
What will happen now?

>>187105987
As far as I'm aware Fridig Slash in only in the Untolds while the actual split damage is only in the very first EO.

Which game are you talking about?

>>187106884
Oh shit really? I must've taken a wrong turn navigating the japanese wiki, my bad.

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What's a good party I can make out of these cutes?

>>187110204
optimal shit only truly matters for post-game stuff unless you make a laffably bad party and it's pretty hard to make one of those unless you make an all-one-class party or a sub-5 party and even then sometimes that shit can work anyway

>>187110325
I want to have post game in mind, not sure if I want to make a new party just for the post game.

>>187109587
Starting with EOII (at least I am fairly certain it started in this one) mixed elemental attacks are just treated as whatever deals the most damage.

So with Frigid Slash if the enemy takes 100% damage from cut and 150% from ice, it will deal 150%.
If the enemy takes 100% from cut and 0% from ice it will deal 100%.

Now you use Ice Fantasia that increases ice damage taken by 30% - additively. It is not a 1.3 times multiplier.
In the first case, Frigid Slash now deals 180% damage.
In the second case it still deals 100% since 30% is still smaller.

TEC however has no effect on it since it's still a STR based attack so head bind does not increase the damage.
Sleep increases STR damage taken by 50% but it gets dispelled on hit - even if the hit is TEC based and does not get a damage increase.

>>187110204
Barrage Pugilist - since you are missing a tank, all dangerous enemies better get bound
Deathbringer Harbinger - they can deal great damage against targets with ailments and increase infliction chances

Evoker Necromancer - Curb Atk Up for better binding Union skill, petrify skill with an actual good infliction chance and your early game healer
Dog Rover - mid and lategame healer, synergy with binds, even more ailments if necessary
Herald Shaman - increased def and HP since you are lacking a tank, can amplify cold damage for Harbinger and Necromancer, full elemental coverage

The start is going to be rough and boss fights might get ruined by RNG.
Your plan is to bind and ail the enemy and then go to town with Lead Blow, Great Scythe of Cold Ash and Foot Pierce as well as Ice Bomb and Oracle:Dance powered by Prayer: Cold Rain.
Control the enemy and kill them before they can recover.

>>187112423
Thanks! If you could sub one of the classes in the screenshot out and use a different one for that party, which one would you switch?

>>187114663
Do you mean change one of the five classes I talked about for a Botanist or for one of the four classes not in the screenshot?

>>187114663
>>187115232
Or do you mean use four of the classes in the screenshot and one not in the screenshot to make a party?

>>187115232
the latter sorry I meant to post this earlier but didn't hit enter

>>187115823
A more standard party with good all around capabilities would be:

Cannon Dragoon - they don't lose much tanking compared to Shield and they offer more chip damage
Barrage Pugilist - binding is still good even with a tank, they can take some damage and dish some out

Hawk Rover - this time for damage instead of healing
Evoker Necromancer - fire and ice damage coverage and encounter clear with poison

If you don't want to reclass anyone:
Healer Herbalist - Herb Boost allows a max HP increase, Poison Smoke can help Necromancer inflicting their stronger poison, general healing

If you want to reclass a Celestrian into Botanist:
Poisoner Botanist - more ailments including petrify, a strong damage skill and still good healing

>>187117197
Thanks senpai I'll keep that in mind when making my party.

Berserker King anon from last thread.

Defeated the Hollow Queen and going to remake my party shortly. At the reccomendation made in the last thread, I'm changing my current party. Currently...

>Land, Dancer, Night
>Fortress, Medic

and going to remove the 2 backlines and add in a Runecaster and Arcanist instead. At the same time, I'm also going to Rest the other 3 so I can fix their skill points that I likely didn't do so good in.

Considering the party I'm going with, what sort of skills should I be looking at on everyone?

Also got the Hollow Queen's conditional drop by complete accident. Cursed her half-way through the fight and it lasted for the entire rest of it. Didn't get her normal drop though, what the fuck.

>>187118565
Oh, this is 4 by the way. Forgot to mention

>>187118565
Well since I recommended the runemaster and a linking party to you last thread I can tell you what I had for my party.

Landshark is ready to link. The main skill to have is improved link for added link attacks as well as the 3 elemental links. Vanguard is also something to consider but depends on the speed of your team. If land generally goes first you may not need it.

Dancer will want the Chase Tango and Rush Dance skills. Aside from those you can opt for what your team needs.

The runemaster has a ton of useful skills from the tp preserving ones to the oones that decrease elemental damage to you/increase to the enemy as well as the increased damage on weaknesses. I personally put the minimum into each of the elemental runes needed to unlock the damaging ones then focused on those. From the second screen I ignored the higher damage variants of the elemental spells and focused on runic gleam and the weakness skill.

>>187118565
Are you using a Link or Non-link Land ?

For Nightseeker, Venom Throw is a must, the poison damage is really impressive. Since you plan to have an Arcanist, having a Nightseeker with Shadow Bite could be interesting.

For Dancer, since you'll have an Arcanist that will be able to cast some healing spells, don't focus too much on waltz and more on Samba/Tango (see >>187119762)

For the Runemaster, most of the skills available are a must (Tp boost/Runic Gleam/Runic Guidance/Runic Flare/Rune Mastery), for the elemental spells, you can either share the points equally between 2 of them (or 3), or focus only on one (I focused on ice btw, pretty convenient for the 3rd stratum boss)

For the Arcanist, since you have a Nightseeker that can inflict ailments, you can focus on bind circles, and some skills that reduces the enemy defense/attack, you can't really go wrong with the skills of the arcanist

So, since I already heard that Dragoon/Fencer/Masauro/Herbalist/Warlock is not optimal party - what is the meta for EO V?

>>187119762
>Vanguard is also something to consider but depends on the speed of your team.
With a Nightseeker Vanguard is probably necessary since they are just too damn fast for a Landy to outspeed them otherwise.

So Nightseeker makes a Linker quite a bit slower since you need to refresh one more buff.

>>187118565
For your Landy I would suggest going for a pure physical build.

Double Strike is a good mainstay for now and you can choose if you want to use swords or rapiers - or both once dual wielding becomes available together with subclassing (which is not too far off).

Vanguard is a good buff if it is the only one you need to keep up and with Innitiative you deal good and accurate damage and can ensure that even your Nightseeker gets the class skill boost from Landsknecht.

Iron Wall, Swordbreaker and later Weapon Parry are great defensive passives to make up for Vanguard increasing your damage taken.

Ignore the Breaks and the Links since this is a pure physical Landy.

>>187122486
I don't think there is one.
There are some Cheese parties but I don't think there is much agreement on what the baseline party is.

You have essentially twenty classes and even if some of them are quite similar that is a lot of different viable parties you can build.

>>187122486
You're party is plenty good, you have all the basics.

Meta builds (or OP) for EOV that I've heard of are like 2 Cestus abusing the Bind empowered skills, a party based around 4 Sword Sanzu Cunny Bunny, Double Necro Parties that abuse open grave countering (and optional 9999 HP ghost bomb/ghost Tank).

Those are the big three "break the game" builds that I can remember.

>>187130847

EO needs more asses.

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>>187133473
Blame Himukai

So what's 1kat Masurao's gameplan?
Seems like Helm Divide is their bread and butter, and there's the occasional Sange, Suigetsu, or Thunder Slash.

i can't beat the ant queen, familias. she's always down to last bit of health, but my party is too fatigued to finish the job. rip

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>>187136043

>>187118565
>I got the conditional drop by complete accident
Wow. You are the first person I've ever heard of that didn't use a Formaldehyde for it. That's kinda shocking. Bosses respawn after two weeks so you can just rest at the Inn 14 times if you want a shot at her normal drop.

>>187124167
>4 Sword Sanzu
How many 4Kats? Just the one, or do you add more?
>9999HP ghost
Is that a bug?

Is there any way to make Chain Fencers deal comparable damage to a Link Landy from EOIV?

Am I setting myself up for failure if I try?

>>187139984
>nenefag
can't set yourself for failure if you already are one

>>187138909
it takes 12 hours before the exp bars visibly move and there's only two floors to grind. this isn't eoiv where you can hunt shiny FOEs all day

>>187130847
who is this butt, I mean, girl?

>>187140365
It's a serious question. Bandanashark > Nene anyway

>>187139984
Speaking of Which, does 4kat bunny autp attacks set off multiple chains or is it like the Multistrike chant on Warlock where it only sets off one chain?

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>>187140514
>it takes 12 hours before the exp bars visibly move
Nice exaggeration
>>187140539
Best samurai

>>187140908
Chain fencer is shit and if you want wannabe linker you use sanzu

>>187141539
F U C K

>>187141539
What's the best way to set off one billion Sanzu hits?

>>187119762
>>187120195
>>187122768
Well, I went ahead and followed with these a bit. Yeah, Vanguard would still be needed to for LinkLand, as both the Dancer and Nightseeker outspeed him.

My new skill set for each as follows

>Land: Prof/Expert, Power Boost 6, Vanguard Master, Double Strike 3, Initiative 7, Swordbreaker 3
>Dancer: Prof/Expert, Attack Tango 3, Guard Tango 3, Counter Samba 3, Chase Samba 3, Fanc Dance 3, Trick Samba 3, Rush Dance 3, Sword Dance 3
>Night: Prof/Expert, Sand Throw 3, Nerve Throw 3, Blade Flurry 4, Shadow Cloak Master, Auto-Cloak 3, Sleep Throw 3, Curse Throw 3, Spread Throw 3
>Rune: Prof/Expert, Fire/Ice Rune 1, Fireball 3, IceLance 3, Runic Gleam 2, TP Boost 4, Flame/Glacier Rune 3, Runic Shield 3, Runic Guidance 2
>Arcanist: prof/Expert, Circle Boon 3, Chain/Snare/Hood Circle 3, Tame Ground 2, Bracing Walk 4, Dismiss Heal 3, Charm/Atrophic Eye 2

Not running into too many issues yet. Fights are definetly going by much faster, to the point where my squishiness hasn't been a problem yet. Will likely stick with this for a while.

>>187139525
I used my Formalderhyde on the Berserker King's drop. I honestly just tossed Curse on the off-chance it stuck, it did, then lasted the entire fight. I'm just glad I don't have to worry about trying to grab the drop later when I can actually make the armor.

>>187143358
You get Formaldehyde easily in EOIV's postgame.

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>fighting Steve Irwins killer in EO1U classic expert
>after a few failed attempts suddenly
>dark hunter lands head bind
>immediately followed by shield bash from my protector binding its arms
>alchemist just got dilution and analysis buffs set up
>ronin just used peerless stance
>one two three punch of ecstasy/flame grater/flame formula
>that damage
>mfw
After the bullshit with Queen Ant I deserved this .

>>187148853
She is so beautiful

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EOU2 what skills do I pick for this party?
>Ronin
>Defender
>Hexer
>Gunner
>War Magus

>>187150774
Ronin: Upper Slash First and then rush Peerless Combo
Protector: Front Shield, Elemental Shield Lvl 4, Parry
Hexer: Poison, Panic, and Fear
Gunner: Ice Shot and then get level 1 in Penetrate and then rush Burst Shot
War Magnus: Max Warmight, get War Revive, Artery, Max Barrier, Max Guard Slash, Ailing Slash and then Vampire.

>>187150075
>fighting Steve Irwins killer
I remember my first time with Cothragl. Got raped until I started to spec my Protector for the fight

>>187139850
A "Crossing The Sanzu" (The skill that Chases" Party typically has a Single Cunny Bunny using the 4 Sword Name or style or whatever. The rest of the party exists to keep the Bunny alive and throw out attacks to be chased by the Bunny (4 slots open for more cheese).

Necromancer has a "Zombie Powder" skill that causes instant death and turns whatever it kills into a zombie with the same HP (9999 is the cap though). I've seen someone say that there is a 4th Stratum FOE that is easily abused with this. Necromancers can use that zombie as a 9999 nuke or a damage sponge.

>>187152537
>Cunny Bunny
Pardon? What does "Cunny" mean in this sense?

What are the best support characters to provide chases for the 4kat? Do they have to be cut-type attacks to be chased?

I think I'll stay away from that Necro powder strategy. Sounds a little too... unintended.

>>187153587
Look up Nanachi from "Made in Abyss".

Sanzu seems to chase ANY attack, friend or foe. So you could in theory kill your own party.

Binding Cestus(you can have more than one) has a skill that attacks 4 or 5 separate times if the enemy is fully bound and has an ailment.

Necromancer has a skill called "Open Grave" which if the enemy targets a certain party member all 3 zombies will attack that enemy 3 times each.

The first one works with Sanzu for sure, the 2nd should work as well.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/893659-etrian-odyssey-v-beyond-the-myth/74132852?page=3

>>187153587
>What does "Cunny" mean in this sense?
Slang for Vagina. As >>187154293 is alluding too it is used to refer to sexy bunny girls.

>>187153587
>>187154293

Actually you need two Necromancers for 9 Zombie Attacks in one turn.

One Necromancer uses "Ghost Dance" so they can attack 3 times.

The other Necromancer uses "Open Grave" on an ally that gets targeted by an Enemy attack.

A 3rd Necro, a Dragoon, or Fencer seem to help remove the "luck" factor in making sure a certain ally gets targeted.

>>187154293
>>187155434
Is there a limit to the number of chases any given character could proc?
It seems like you could use two 4Kats, one with Sanzu and one with Layered Blossoms.

It seems to me that Sanzu deals even more damage than Back from the Dead, despite being much safer and easier to use.

Am I missing something obvious or does 4Kat just straight outclass one-punch Cestus?

>>187156202
>>187156541
Gamefaqs has the best and most complete Skill guide (FAQ) that I've seen, looking there should will give you all the numbers.

Sanzu = Trivialize the entire game

One Punch = Fun Gimmick that requires set up and planning (but I don't think it's bad).

Super secret advanced level strategy:
If Chain All increases the number of chains from Chain Killer, and Chain Killer deals 800% damage, does that mean that Chain Killer can potentially deal, uhh... 56,000% damage?

Compared to Sanzu's 24,000%?

>>187157619
3 binds 1 ailment that means for chase attacks to one tartget.

>>187157619
I think the Devs actually devoted effort into balancing Fencer to not do insane damage.
Hopefully the link below is helpful (the parts about Chain caps especially):
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/893659-etrian-odyssey-v-beyond-the-myth/75624085

>>187140945
pls respond because my whole team revolves around that non-sense.

>>187160897
How much did you pay the guy to fuck you Nene?

>>187158507
The dream isn't completely dead here, as being able to cast a 4 proc Chain Killer twice in a row with Chain Plus means 800% x 4 x 2 x 1.5 = 9,600% damage.

Maximum Sanzu is 200% x 12 = 24,000%, across three turns that's 7,200%.
And that's even whilst ignoring a long list of beneficial passives the Chain Fencer has.
Am I being delusional here? Is there a reliable way to apply four stuns, statuses or binds across two consecutive turns?

>>187158507
>>187161406
Also, can 4Kats proc Chains multiple times with their basic attack via Multi-Sword Technique?

How does one effectively drop their entire team to one health for Back From The Dead?

>>187134876
Get someone to leg bind or blind the enemy and then divide helms.

>>187136043
EO1, EOIII or EOU?

>>187143330
2 Barrage Pugilists (Combo Cestus)
If the enemy is fully bound and has an ailment Lead Blow will deal one hit and then activate all bind skills and their paralysis skill.
That is not a multi-hit skill but a skill that activates other skills so each hit will activate a Sanzu chase.

Get an Evoker Necromancer for the best Chain Blast Union skill (fully bind an enemy) and a good way to inflict the ailment needed.
A Deathguard Harbinger (defensive Reaper) can increase ailment chance and debuff the enemy to increase damage as well as heal if it should be necessary.


It is a super offensive setting that dies if anything goes wrong - but if it goes right you can easily shred anything in your way in a few turns.

>>187140945
They would need an oil or a shaman buff to even interact with Chains since normally their attacks deal cut damage that Chains ignore.
Also it's only a 50% chance to even be more than a single hit.

But yes, mutliple normal attacks are not a multi-hit skill - but 4kat normal attack is nothing compared to a Dancer/Nightseeker from EOIV or a Shogun/Buccaneer from EOIII.

>>187163048
Walk over damage tiles.
In EO you can not die outside of battle so they will be left at 1HP.

Then you need to thread out and got to the floor you want to be since floor jump is only available from town.

>>187161406
Most bosses are pretty resistant to stun.
You can not bind a body part that is already bound.
So all you could do is overwrite an ailment with one higher in the hierarchy.

>>187165601
Well shit. I guess the dream is dead then. Fencer confirmed outclassed.

>>187166672
My wives are cute aren't they?

>>187165246
Yeah I know its not as broken, but if it works with my team, I'm gonna do it. I have a Shaman so I'm fine with using a buff slot for elemental weapons. But now that I know that 4kat Bunny works with Chains, I'm happy it at least works.

>>187165742
They work differently to a Sanzu bunny, deal mixed damage and can sometimes survive a hit.
But they aren't that easy to make great use of - and if you build your party around a character it might as well be a 4kat.

Do Dodge Fencers have to be naked?
Can I get away with having only a weapon and armor?

>Hawk Rovers have only a single damage skill that deals impressive damage
>Three-turn wind up that makes them do jack all damage until it occurs
What's the point of a Hawk Rover then?

>>187171225
The evade bonus from Unburdened is only halfas big with 2 empty slots as it is with 3.
So you will probably not have enough evade to evade reliably while using Sharp Thrust.
So you would still need to use Predict - which increases damage taken by 250%. Which defeats the point of wearing body armor in the first place.

A weapon for Sylphid damage should be enough, nothing for very accurace enemies.

>>187171565
Don't let the modifiers fool you - the hawk damage is done by the hawk, not by the Rover. Hawks have invisible damage modifiers so they hurt. A lot.
Also while your hawk is busy you can still use Million Shot (if the enemy is blinded or leg bound) or command your dog - you can have both pets out at once, it just costs a bit TP upfront to do so.

>>187171996
>You can have both pets at once
Isn't there only one pet slot available in a five man team?

I guess for straight damage your rotation would be something like Sky Dive -> Target Arrow -> Million Shot, rinse and repeat.

Do we have hard numbers on Hawk stats?

>>187171752
Dammit, anon.
Now I'm imagining my Fencer going into the labyrinth wearing nothing but the sheath for her rapier, with the rest of the party pretending nothing is out of the ordinary.

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>>187172121
Summons (Dragoon's bunker or pill boxes, Necromancer's ghosts, Rover's hawk and dog) now get put on a summon line.
That's three spaces that are treated like the front line in terms of damage.

Hamks have an invisible 5/3 multiplier to their damage iirc.

>>187172390
Next to a bunny only wearing four katanas.

>>187172491
I don't have to worry about that, my Fencer will only be 1kat.
What I want to know more about are the ghosts.
What do they look like in your imagination, anon?
Spirits of former explorers?
The enemies you kill, but white?
Floating blankets with holes for eyes?

>>187172586
A ghastly gaggle of ghouls.

>>187172428
>5/3
As in 5 divided by 3 = 67% bonus damage?

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>>187172390

>>187173208
She is still wearing boots, gloves and a shield . so all her armor slots are actually full.

But as far as the general thought goes: Nice work, anon.

>>187173208
>nene for ants

>>187173116
I believe so, yes.
So Sky Dive would actually be a multiplier over 2100% of the pure hawk stats while Flying Talon Strike are over 650%.

They don't have the damage of a 4kat bunny or a Pugilist but they are a damage dealer that does not need a party build around them.

I hear that Brounis make the best Dragoons.

How do I get a Dragoon portrait that looks at least vaguely like an actual tank?

>>187173413
Brounis make good defensive Dragoons with their great TP pool, good physical and grea magical bulk.
Offensive Dragoons should still be Earthlain.

All races can use DLC portraits - so Brouni Teach is your best bet.

>>187173407
According to https://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/893659-etrian-odyssey-v-beyond-the-myth/faqs/73974?page=3#Hound: Falcon-Accompanied Hound it's 2170%. Factoring in the 1.5x stat multiplier of a maxed out Hawk Whistle, that's coming off maxed strength (I'm fairly sure the Hawk can't reach above the 255 stat cap that I've heard exists).

That's pretty phenomenal, actually. The base damage is there, the Hawk is just missing out on a steroidal passive like To The Death and Peerless Demon.

>>187173521
Is there a noticeable difference in survivability between defensive and offensive Dragoons?
Is it still noticeable if I have a Shaman and/or Warlock on the team?
Do offensive Dragoons actually deal damage worth noting past mid game, without sacrificing all of their survivability?
Am I a moron for considering a team comp like Dragoon / Rover front, Warlock / Shaman / Herbalist back?

>>187173809
A bunny Rover will likely be a liability on the fronline.
But if you reclass an Earthlain into Rover they don't lose that much damage for quite a lot more bulk.
Reclassing is available after the tutorial (mapping the first floor).

Offensive Dragoon doesn't even lose that much.
Defensive Dragoon has a weaker Line Guard that dispells binds (utility at best), a bodyguard skill (take all damage for one party member) and their big skill is 50% damage reduction to the entire party with a 5 turn cool down at least.
Although that one can be doubled with Gun Mount it is still not that great - Line Guard reduces physical damage to a line by 50%, Material Guard elemental damage to the party by 67% and every Dragoon has access to those two.
The big skill also costs 50 TP - a level 55 Earthlain defensive Dragoon has naturally 149 maximum TP.

Offensive Dragoon has a passive that increases their damage for using Guard skills (or if Bunkers or Pill Boxes get attacked), the best charge skill in the game and most importantly they can summon Pill Boxes passively even if the chance isn't that massive.
Pill Boxes get put on the summon row, have quite a lot of aggro, take very little damage and counterattack whenever they get hit.

Even offensive Dragoons are still pretty much tanks but they deal a bit more chip damage than their defensive counterpart.

>>187174392
Bunny Rover will still die despite having a Botanist and a Dragoon to baby sit her? That's unfortunate.

>>187174772
Bunnies have about 10% less HP, 33% less VIT and 15% less WIS than humans.
Rover can only wear light armor.

They won't explode to everything like a 4kat bunny but they will take quite a beating somewhere between Ronin and Dark Hunter.
Since a good portion of their damage comes from their pet the slighlty lower STR of a human would not have that big of an effect.

You can probably still run a front Rover bunny but they will get their face pushed in every now and then.

>>187175164
This is my punishment for liking slutbunnies.

>>187173202
That's actually pretty cute.
But where do Necros get enough cloth to make bodies for all the ghosts they summon?

>>187176243
It's their own flesh since the sacrifice their HP for summoning them.
Or the flesh of their enemies if they are summoned by attacking.

>>187176440
>their own flesh
>or the flesh of their enemies
How can something so cute be so horrifying?

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>>187176672
Necromancy.

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>>187175397
But you don even have a Masurao so you are missing half the sluttiness.

How many adventure episodes are there per floor in EOV on average? I liked their equivalent in the past games but they weren't common enough.

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