/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

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First for our visionary emperor ZELEVAS

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I'm thinking of removing all the Stellaris links from the OP.

>>186538110
Sure. Can you explain the reasoning?

>>186538110
Deport them back to /gsg/, Make /civ4x/ Great Again

>>186538110
I second this motion.

As much as I hate Paradox, however, /4xg/ will be fucking ded without Stalearis posting.

>>186538347
Triggering people and getting them to make new threads. I must maintain my reputation as a really awful person once in a while.

>>186538429
You just need to post more and make it clear its you thats posting, you generally make it clear you're an awful person even when you're not trying

>>186538110
shit almost missed the new chapter

>>186538559
>make it clear its you
What does my you have to do with anything?

>>186538619
The manga is really taking its sweet time, isn't it? At this rate, Overlord will be over before she's out of the Labyrinth.

Who are the Tall races of Endless Space?

>>186539815
The Concrete.

>>186539815
Cravers

What should my first 100 Turns in Civ 6 be like? In 5 I would aim for 3 cities, finding and improving iron, and gathering faith to start spreading religion asap. I don't need to do the exact same shit but I'm curious what I should start focusing on in the beginning stages.

How many realtime 4x games are there?

>>186544387
There's DISTANT WORLDS, Sins of Solar Empire, DISTANT WORLDS, Stellaris, DISTANT WORLDS, Empire at War, and DISTANT WORLDS.

There are also some RTS, but I'm not sure which one can be considered 4x.

>>186544603
I think you forgot about DISTANT WORLDS. But other than that good list.

>>186538110
fuck off you piece of shit

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>>186545587
Horatio needs to be bigger

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How the fuck do i properly play Vox Populi?

I'm always behind in culture, I'm always behind in production, I'm always behind in technology, and I'm ALWAYS behind in GPT.

I palyed brazil to see if i could get an adavantage on culture - nope, still behind a bit.

I played venice to see if I could get an advantage on GPT - nope, Sanctioned immediately by a civ that never met me, aside from that i had no GPT without it anyways.

Seriously, fuck this mod, how do I do better?

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Is it ever worth it to pump happiness in order to increase productivity? I uplifted these natural physicists, and I'm considering giving them a lot of goods.

>>186547976
What difficulty are you playing? Go to settler to get a hang of the game.

>>186548405
The benefits of 100% happiness always outweigh the costs
1 mineral world pays for utopian abundance on an entire empire

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These guys are so fucking lucky we're allies or I would genocide them for stealing this potential colony from me

>>186549975
4x games tends to have that.

>>186548834
Chieftan, thinking it was the "new" prince difficulty based on its description

>>186548405
yes, get to 100% happiness however you can, if you can.

note that utopian abundance might not be the CHEAPEST way to get 100% happiness, there might be other ways.

>>186544603
sins is a rts

>>186538110
maybe you should just fuck off forever

>>186538110
spider guy heel turn.

did not expect this.

Stellaris fags.

How the fuck do I stay competitive without using either authoritarian or egalitarian (+resources+influence)? Because Im sure as hell out of ideas.

I don't get the spider thing.

>>186554127
You don't, because the game is not balanced, despite Paradox trying to make it as boring as possible.

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Please DO bully the Riftborn

>>186539815
>ES1
automatons, maybe pilgrims
>EL
cultists, allayi
>ES2
vodyani

>>186554127
You don't need to be egalitarian to practice democracy.

>>186554405
Stop, they dindu nothin'

>>186555763
Democracy is overrated.

Yo guys for 1.7.x 1.6.2 w/e

What mods do you use for terraforming barren worlds, adding more ascension perks and other good basic thing that are compatible with each other..

Right now I'm using improved megastructures, a mod that adds a single new megastructure and Plentiful Traditions which all seem to work fine with one another and made the game a little better..

>still no Stronghold spinoff

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How do you play the Horatio? Doing everything to absorb/import other people and integrate their pops? Also does anyone have the Horatio loading screen image? It's fuckin' baller.

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This is the powa of superior Japan science.

>>186560785
Eat other factions of worth to make Horatio more beautiful.

>>186562045
How do you improve perfection?

>>186562169
Eat lesser species.

ded

>>186561229
>two MENAN people and a bunch of Europeans

It's funny that Beyond Earth was full SJW in all the worst ways (like the Brazilian dictator having a Spanish name) but then CIV VI is retarded in the opposite direction

>>186555763

Whats at stake is resource and influence gain, not some roleplaying bullshit.

I wish stellaris allowed us to set up caste systems based on phenotypes and/or gender

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>>186560785
you start with an ecologist senate; this means that you have access to all the juiciest colonization opportunities from the very start of the game. use this to your opportunity and settle as many good systems as you can, getting that prime real estate before anyone else has a chance to gobble it up
with that said, it may be tempting to use your probes to scout for more systems to colonize; this, however, is a trap. horatio benefits far more from exploring anomalies with his probes than sending them out to scout, as anomalies have a not-too-small chance of getting you a free minor faction pop.
while you may be tempted to go on a wild spree, splicing everything that you get your pristine little hands on, consider what other empires are in the game and how valuable the target is before you hit that button. while the +5% food consumption is minor enough to ignore most of the time, the fact that subsequent splices will require more population is something to consider. for this reason, it may very well be a wiser decision to hold off on getting another +3 food off of, say, your niris, when there's some very tasty vodyani parked just a few systems over. also, don't blow a gasket if you're afraid of getting excess population from the undesirables of the galaxy; you get a unique tech later on that enables you to convert non-horatio into horatio, perfect for tying up loose ends. always remember: though you want to splice everyone, order and priority matter!
your ships cost more to make than any other faction; a side effect of them being the most gorgeous ships. this truly only makes an impact in the early game and in protracted wars of attrition; because of this, you'll want to make fleets earlier than you normally would, and make a habit of maintaining a standing force so that you won't have to make many replacements on the fly.
the only last little tip i have is to consult my horatio gene splice guide; it has almost every splice bonus listed.

>>186567153
Thanks anon. Kinda bummed that pic doesn't come in a higher resolution.

>>186567519
i have a better version of it on my computer, but i'm not getting on until tomorrow

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Gotta admit, kind of bummed you can't customize the special SSD. Thing's stuck with Hyperspace when I already got the jump drive from the Unbidden. Everyone give the Awakened Empires a huge round of applause for bringing those assholes here.

Also, how long do I have until this "Coming Storm" hits once I get the notification? I don't think I've got the firepower to handle two Unbidden factions (who both border me) along with another crisis.

>>186567519
https://www.artstation.com/thomasducrest/albums/86371

>>186567759
I thought FE's couldn't make the Unbidden show up.

>>186567618
S'all good anon. Thanks for the advice. This gene splice guide is a great way to avoid surprises.
>started game
>next to Gnahast
Praise Horatio

>>186567931
Then one of the other Empires got the Jump Drive, cause I have no idea who else could have brought them here.

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>>186567869

>>186567759
>Prethoryn Scourge and Unbidden
I've never had to deal with multiple crises, looks like fun.

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>>186568285
Forgot there was another half.

https://www.artstation.com/aurel/albums/61637

>latest dev diary is about new music

So basically this DLC is going to be halfassed and they're relying on cosmetics to sell it?

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>>186562169
like this

>>186569220
I think all Paradox teams are laying low after the mega shitstorm the Dragon Throne announcement caused.

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Guys, what's your opinion on Eador?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGXDYWCyoY

>>186569879
I fucking love Eador Genesis, it does some horrible things to my free time. Tried Masters of the Broken World and while it's pretty and whole it also plays a lot slower (who would've thought I'd prefer a game with no animations) and it just sucks.

>>186569220
Leviathans and Utopia had dev diaries dedicated to the music (well, Leviathans was new sounds in general) so this ain't anything new. Stellaris's soundtrack is definitely one of its strongest points so it makes for them to dedicate a dev diary for it.

>>186569596
>the mega shitstorm the Dragon Throne announcement caused.
Do tell.

Good day /civ4x/ :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtiVeQHbiGg

>>186569596
>mega shitstorm the Dragon Throne announcement caused.
Give me the rundown?

>>186571675
>>186571770
The most recent DLC for CK2 was confirmed to be China, which had one of the most vocal anti-factions of the community. So to keep from upsetting the anti-Chinafags, they half assed it (China's an off map entity that can invade you whenever but you can't invade back), pissing off the Chinafags and doing nothing to placate the anti-Chinafags because they wanted absolutely zero China in the game (there's some flavor events involving China as is and it's a major sore spot).

The entire community melted down and in about a day, the dev diary of the announcement was 30 pages (the average page count for a CK2 DD is 5) filled with nothing but people bitching at Paradox and each other.

>>186572197
Wait, why do people hate China ?

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>>186571908
Rate my interchange.

>>186572197
>the dev diary of the announcement was 30 pages
Hot damn, Wiz's misogyny shitstorm only hit like 20something in total.

>>186572313
Depends on who you ask. The two major reasons given are fear for performance (Rajas of India fucked things up for a while), and "the name of the game is CRUSADER kings."

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I didn't want to talk about C:S anyway.

So best strat naked corvettes
Alternative for fleet cap efficiency M plasma cruisers with 1 KA

What's the best defense station build in terms of efficiency?

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>>186574614
>building defense stations
>being on the defense

>>186574742
Dumb anime poster ;)

>>186572313
Because China deserves it's own game, like Sengoku.

>>186572348
would bang.

that said I can't help but prefer incoming & outgoing traffic to be separate bridges

>>186572313
Because where is muh playable theocracies, holy orders and mercenary companies?

>>186574614
One that fucks with FTL so you can bait and drop your corvette cocks right on them.
>>186574742
It's advisable to build fortresses in the capital system, yeah. FE/AEs have a tendency to bullrush the empire's capital and ignore everything else.

So I'm new to endgame crisis in Stellaris and since waging wars with my inferior neighbours got boring I thought it's about time one occurs.
When do they start? I know some have requirements, like the Unbidden only shows up / is more likely to show up when you got the jump drive.
Also, is there a diplomatic option to form temporary alliances against e.g. the Prethoryn Swarm with enemies?

>>186575387
Unbidden can show up after somebody gets jump drives. The AI loves going after that, so these guys are the most common crisis.
AI uprising only shows up if there are lots of synthetics and they don't have civil rights. There is even a special event to make it impossible to start in your empire. It can occur in other empires which infect your happy synths though, so there is no way to be safe.
The Prethoryn just have a timer that gets set at the start of the game. I don't think they can show up before 2300 and there is a chance that they won't show up at all.
Desperate alliances aren't really a thing and your rival will happily fight you while they get eaten by the swarm. Sometimes a FE will awaken and act as the guardian of the galaxy, but I wouldn't bet on it. It's like a 50% chance at best and only the xenophile and materialist FEs can even do it.

>>186575793
I'm fairly certain that any FE can Awaken now.

>Note: Since version 1.6, defense stations have to be spaced further apart than the longest weapon range, which makes it impossible to build Deathflowers in the current version (as of 1.6.1).

I just found this out while playing... well are military stations 100% useless now?

>>186573580

>tfw nowhere to talk about C:S

Is the mass transit DLC any good?

>>186572313
>>186572418
China was never involved in any major interactions with the Middle East or Europe which India and East Africa did in the form of Muslim punching bags. China wouldn't add anything useful to the game and would be even more isolated and irrelevant than India was in game.

On top of that non-European political systems are already poorly modeled as is, China would just add to that

Additionally the game already ran like shit before

>>186575016
Fuck off faggot

>>186572197
That's fucking retarded. I mean, I gave up on CK2 a long time ago, but China is insanely big, it should have its own game instead of being forced in CK2, who's already bloated enough as it is.

Wiz is a faggot. Go play Distant Worlds instead.

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>>186578728
>Wiz is a faggot

I like the cult.

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Can Planet Coaster let me build the Media Dimension?

>>186578728
honestly if DW 2 has multi Ill never play stellaris again

>>186578728
redpill me on distant worlds, I only hear people say that its much better then stellaris but how.

>>186581819
I'll try.
>real time strategy
>you don't buy leaders, you get them by random events
>they make experience depending how you use them (a counter-spy won't level up in infiltration, for example)
>you don't use energy, you use credits
>and you don't spend 120 credits on a corvettes, it's more like 120 000 credits
>you have a shitload of ressources, including fuel
>the galaxy is HUGE, and divided in sectors
>you can pretty much automate everything, kinda like in Left 4 Dead where you can give command to a bot while you take a shit
And the strong part of the game :
>your civilians react to the economic situation : if you lack aluminium, they'll buy mining ships from your port (giving you ¤), and mine alluminium to sell it to you
>you can build resort stations to try to make money in good looking places, like near blackhole or by near
>the civilian sector has its own economy, and the more you tax them, the less it'll grow

>>186581819
Oh, and also :
>it's pretty old, which means no FPS issues
>all expansions are already out, no shitty cosmetic DLC
>you can control every ship, so you can have a long-ranged missile ship stay away from the brawl
>you can warp whenever you fucking want (I would suggest warping on an enemy fortress, I lost many ships that way)
>you can board enemy ships and sell or research them
And finally :
>one of the expansions let you play as a pirate empire
>which means a totally different gameplay, since pirates don't have a civil economy to tax (unless you take over a planet), and instead get money by killing/destroying/raiding/boarding
>in other words, playing as a pirate encourages you to be a pest
>and since pirates have their own victory conditions, you can theorically ally with a normal empire

So what are the next best things after naked corvettes?

Playing with that build it's fucking boring.. tedious experience.

>>186582639
Build whatever you want the game is piss easy this is the path to sublimity.

>>186579239
I want to hug the Queen.

>>186582310
>I would suggest warping on an enemy fortress, I lost many ships that way
>I would suggest
>lost many ships
so you recomend it or not?

>>186583281
I WOULDN'T suggest, my bad.

>>186583281
All part of keeping your shipbuilding industry up to scratch!

honestly what I like the most of stellaris is the amount of ayy types to play as, even if they are nothing but cosmetic in the end
is there something similar in DW? c'mon anon, sell it to me

>>186582914
She'll mind control you.

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>>186583560
It has less ayys, but they play differently. Kinda like the civs in Civilizations, they all have a similar base gameplay, but small differences make them stronger in one domain or another.

>>186582818
On MP players also research...

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>>186584152
>mp

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>>186584430
>not playing MP in Paradox's newest entry to the e-sports scene

>>186584653
Esports are fucking mistake, there are only a handful of games worth maiming in the name of "competitive" play.

>>186583826
not him but any torrent to try it? will buy it next time it's on sale if its even on sale

>>186587678
Not that I know. You can try looking around, I guess.

Just remember to look for "Distant Worlds : Universe". It's the complete collection with all the expansions (it's the one we refer to in this thread, but we call it DW to keep it simple rather than DW:U). And also because Distant Worlds is some Final Fantasy orchestra.

>>186576529
Wowww

>>186587867
found it on the good sky

>>186588309
It's also fairly easy to mod, since it mostly use sprites.

>>186587867
isn't it expensive?

>>186591487
55¤. So yeah, pretty expensive, but less than Stellaris and all its DLCs.

What was that Zelda mod?

What happens if I force xenos off the only planet they have left? WIll they settle somewhere else? I'd rather not see this AE again

>>186596257
there is a refugee policy for a reason, other empire will pick them

so 4x is truly dead?

>>186598614
No, merely pretending.

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>>186583560
>>186583826

>>186583560
Oh, and some ayys have specific techs.

Is Stellaris worth playing yet?

>>186601085
HAHAHAHAHA
Maybe if you're willing to ignore a lot of retarded crap.

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So how can I use aliens as fanatic purifier to be enslaved forever to produce me minerals?

>>186602291
You don't
either enslave more or use robutts

>>186603284
What do you mean you don't - you mean as fanatic empire I'm locked away from that citzenship option?

>>186603387
Fanatic purifiers purify all alien life they gain control over, no restraint
if you want to keep workers, either have your main species do it, or robots

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Aurora

>>186605264
Simant looks better than that.

>>186605264
>lone argie flag
fug

Is Distant Worlds better than Aurora and Stellaris?

>>186606286
Depends.
I'd say anything is better than Stellaris.
Aurora is a lot more demanding from you, but seems really deep.

I'm thinking about trying Stellaris, compare it to Civ5 so I can see if its worth it

>>186607393
I hope you're not buying it.

>>186607393
>I'm thinking of trying Dwarf Fortress, compare it to Simcity so I can see if its worth it
Dude, you're asking the impossible.

>>186607671
>comparing two games of the same genre is hard

>>186607827
It'd be easier to compare Sins of Solar Empires and Stellaris.
Comparing a real-time based 4x like Stellaris and a turn-based game like Civ5 is impossible. It's like comparing chess and Uno.

Is there a mod that auto deactivates buildings on cede and other tweaks centered around fanatic purifiers?

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>people who think vox populi is good
>people who think nqmod is bad
>people who think modding civ 5 is ok

y'all are dum as FUCK

>>186608107
Modding is okay. It can make a bad game tolerable, and make a decent game good.
Depends from the mod.

>>186608194
>responding to retarded meme posters

>>186608107
I wish I could mod civ v while keeping the hotseat function, but there is only one mod for it not very compatible with the rest

>wanna play some sweet 4x
>sick of Civ
>feel like I've tried everything in EL
>still no expansion for ES2
fug

>>186611552
I currently can't get in the mood for them, I reach around 100 turns and just lose all motivation.

>>186611552
The Endless guys aren't total jews, so they're adding their big patches (or expansions) directly into the game instead of making them $30 DLC. ES2 is great.

>>186560785
>that disgusting typesetting
I just threw up a little.

>>186611914
They're still doing DLCs, just not paradox style overpriced, first big content patch will be free though because the stuff in it was supposed to be in the launch game.

>>186611948
They fucked up some justification and vertical spacing, but I don't see anything else outrageously wrong.

>>186612105
Not him but white text on a picture background is pretty bad. Its only really an issue in the Unfallen and Riftborn ones though

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>>186612253
That's why people usually add a black outline.

>>186612253
White text on white background, dear. They could've done better with those two, yes. Could be solved with a half transparent dark outline in the high gammas. But it isn't anything to vom about.

>>186599958
DW race image fag here.
I hope you lot appreciate the complete fucking ballache this was to create:
https://pastebin.com/NHjX0Fzn

I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wasting my time in due course.

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>>186613223
Did you copy these from the game? I'm fairly sure these infos where in the manual.
I'll see if I can add it to the OP next time.

>>186613421
Yep.
All pulled out of the game data files, and cross checked with the modding guide.
I was going to link to the DW wiki, but it's way out of date and hasn't been touched in ages.

>>186613868
No point in linking to it if it's dead. Thank for your hard work.
I'll see if I can arrange the OP to have your pastebin. If more things shows up, I'll make a pastebin containing the various links so that it doesn't take too much space.

/rtsg/ /cbg/

Previous thread:


STELLARIS
>Pastebin:
pastebin.com/YHdisqem
>WIP Ship Design Guide for 1.5.1:
pastebin.com/2QWUPKSh
>Another Ship Design Guide for 1.5:
www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/61nolh/ship_equipment_load_out_for_141_15/
>Wiki:
www.stellariswiki.com
>The Development of Stellaris
www.gamasutra.com/view/news/274018/Postmortem_Paradox_Development_Studios_Stellaris.php
>Steam group
steamcommunity.com/groups/vgstellaris

ENDLESS SPACE 2
>Official and Unofficial Wiki
wiki.endless-space.com
endless-space-2.wikia.com
>Community Hub
www.games2gether.com
>Planets Stats
imgur.com/w5RO8TH.jpg
>Ships Stats
pastebin.com/aabCNGau
>Horatio splicing guide
pastebin.com/1cH8sqEH
>Manual
cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/392110/manuals/User%27s_Manual_-_Endless_Space_2.pdf
>ES2 politics guide.
pastebin.com/pDUQDpwA

ENDLESS LEGEND
>Manual:
cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/289130/manuals/User'sManual.pdf
>Wiki:
endlesslegendwiki.com
endless-legend.wikia.com

CIVILIZATION
>Browser Civ Game, plays like civ2
play.freeciv.org
>Fix for Civ IV BTS XML errors:
www.dropbox.com/sh/ljdms8ygix2btcs/AACC_IGIy7zAkomwA6S4DJp3a?dl=0
>Civilization Analyst (Civ VI, Civ V, BE):
well-of-souls.com/civ/index.html
>Civ V Giant Multiplayer Robot:
www.multiplayerrobot.com
>Civ 5 Mods
forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=393
>Civ 5 More Mods
pastebin.com/5ANRmRur
>Civ 5 Drafter
georgeskleres.com/civ5/
>District Cheat Sheet:
civ6.gamepedia.com/District
>/civ4xg/ steam group
steamcommunity.com/groups/civ4xg

ALPHA CENTAURI
>Essential improvements:
pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Sid_Meier's_Alpha_Centauri#Essential_improvements
>Official short stories:
www.mediafire.com/folder/cn11q7nqa00te/Alpha_Centauri

MICROPROSE
>MoM
www.myabandonware.com/game/master-of-magic-21t
>Wiki
masterofmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Mod
>MoO 2
gamesnostalgia.com/en/game/master-of-orion-ii-battle-at-antares
>DW:U
https://pastebin.com/NHjX0Fzn

>>186613421
You should just include your home address. So we can send gifts.

>>186614162
uh-oh

>>186614235
P. Sherman
47, Wallaby Way, Sydney.

Send nudes.

>>186614276
What, I forgot something?

>>186614339
did you find him?

>>186607393
Civ 5:
>made by a company heavily involved in the 4X genre, as its flagship title
>encourages tall play, with multiple win conditions that don't require a big empire
>has the player controlling relatively large numbers of discrete units that use terrain to gain a combat advantage
>allows selection between pre-built historical societies
>turn-based

Stellaris:
>made by a grand strategy company that had its B team make the game as a side project to train employees to use the new engine
>explicitly demands you blob as much as possible
>you control a single spaceship blob that wins if it is bigger than the opponent's
>allows customization of your society, amounting to 2 genetic traits, 3 government ethics, and 2 government policies
>standard Paradox real-time

>>186614538
What? I was posting a copy of the new OP to make it simple.

>>186614339
I'll send myself, wrapped up.

>>186614656
did you find nemo?

>>186614683
I look forward to unwrapping you.

>>186614757
Ha, that's where it comes from.
I had that thing stuck in my head for years and I forgot where it came from.

>>186614953
i was asking you a question, did you find him???

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>>186615061
I arrived too late.

>>186615291
oh no!

Is Veil of Crows good?

>3-empire Federation declared war on me

How do I defeat this?
I've got one 200k fleet.

>>186619641
Abuse the shit out of fleet splitting, transport fleets and warscore

>>186619749
I'm near white peace warscore because for some reason their fleets are just standing there fucking around while I take the worlds of the lesser empire.
Thing is if I white peace them, then soon I'll have to repeat the war. I wish I could break the federation.

Also what do you mean by those three?

>>186619938
AI fleets have a habit of pursuing things like transport fleets and fleets they think they can beat over any sensible decision, just have them chase some fleets around while you take all of their worlds.

>>186620147
So basically send armies around their empires?

Seems fun, will try.

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>>186619641
Use this wisely.

>>186621090
How many xenomorphs do I need in order to take planets without sieging them first?

>>186621938
20, with attachments.

>>186621090
This sounds good but my composition is backwards. I'd need a ton of time to train up so many psionic armies.

>>186620147
This is fucking working.
Jesus Christ the AI in this game

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what did they mean by this?

Is civ 6 actually worth buying or should I just torrent it? I heard the DLCs aren't worth the money (as if DLCs ever are) and the game is kinda shit. Opinions?

>>186614638
Seems shitty, we people itt love this so much? I remember when civ was the main game discussed here

>>186623623
Its better than it was at launch, I enjoy it

>>186623726
>love
We don't, we just don't have a lot at the moment

>>186624349
Aside from graphics, Distant Worlds is better in every way if you want space 4x

>>186624947
My main beef with DW:U are:
- it's not up to scale,
- it's flat.

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>>186624947
>shoestring budget and only two devs
>paracucks can't even compete

>>186624947
But I'm too stupid for Distant Worlds.

>>186626017
Then you shouldn't even play 4xs.

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>Tfw when you try to do advanced double boar pulls (?) and realize ur tc's been idle for like 20 seconds and you lose 2 villagers to boars (???)

>>186626250
Age of Empires 2 is probably the less forgiving RTS I know.
Well, there's Starcraft too, in which you can lose units very quickly, and Planetary Annihilation as well, but these two are designed for e-sport.

>>186626414
>start game
>queue up 4 vills
>shit I forgot to build houses
>get housed
>panic build houses right next to tc
>fuck up farm placement

I can't do it man

Its either forgetting to make vills or not scouting properly or getting housed or vills idling

Too much shit to keep track of, sc2 macro is baby mode compared to this

>>186622875
Also note that the AI cheats with vision, so it doesn't even need to really see the fleet you want it to chase. Put an obsolete army unit by itself and watch as 100k of enemy navy treks across the galaxy to kill it.

>>186626781
Do you play against others players or against the AI? The AI is a little bit forgiving, players can be insane.
The first Starcraft 2 game I ever played had the enemy charge me with a bioball (Marines, Marauders, and Medics) before I even built a hydralisk den.

And as you say, AoE2 is worse.

>>186623726
Stellaris is not an intellectually challenging game. It's not difficult or entertaining. But it's addictive, since Paradox has perfected the grand strategy treadmill. There's always more to do, and the game usually explicitly tells you what to do, so you never have to worry about doing the wrong thing.

Playing Stellaris is routine, even on your first run. Since it's routine, you won't get mentally exhausted from it, and you can play indefinitely. And when you're done with a single empire, you can mix and match the ethics, traits, etc, to play an entirely different game (that happens to play exactly the same).

>>186627002
moderate ai consistently beats me

>>186627132
Same. I like the game but I suck at it.

>>186627002
Also I'm afraid of going against actual players because there's no matchmaking system so who knows what kind of nerdlord 2100 elo guy I'm going to play against in a lobby

Sure playing against people who ate better than you is the best way to get food but there's losing to a guy who's vetter than you, and then there's getting shit on without even knowing what's going on

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Would a Fang Fang a Fang if Fangs could Fang?

>>186627415
You perfectly explain why I never play RTS online.
FPS, sometimes because it's easy to get skilled, but a RTS require you to be focused for 20 minutes.

>>186623107

Civ VI victory screen sucks because it has no map replay.

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>the ISD battleship had no X slots
>the LITERAL SUPER STAR DESTROYER has no X slots
Either I'm bad at meta and X slots are actually worthless or this guy really wanted to avoid making an overpowered mod.

>>186628935
Most X mounted weapons aren't worth it because of their tracking and limited firing arc.

>>186623623

I would wait until the next sale to buy it. The DLCs are fine, but they ARE DLCs. They don't radically change gameplay.

>>186626781
>getting house
Just play huns

>>186627104
This.
I quit playing Stellaris, and as soon as I quit I start playing Stellaris again.

It's so comfortable and relaxing.

>>186629683
>playing the crutch civ

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More DW 'tism.
https://pastebin.com/Q0uwUtZY

I need to stop typing shit now.

>>186630496
You did good

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>>186630496
Another thing to add to the OP.
It's getting close to 2 000 characters, and I fear I won't be around to make the new thread, so just in case, I compiled the links here : https://pastebin.com/eMhKpJq8

I put on a name to allow easy Ctrl+F in case I'm not around to make the new thread.

>>186631093
A goode spidre.

I've not even got into the tangled squirrel's nests of the economy and ship design yet.

>>186631532
I like the economy. Whisper delicate things in my ears.

And also, if you have more than three pastebins, make a pastebin folder containing links to the tutorial pastebins, it'll be easier on the OP.
I'd do it myself, but since I don't have an account on Pastebin, once a pastebin is out, it can't be edited. That's why the one I posted will expire in a week.

>>186631093
come back safe
don't get lost in the sauce

>>186631681
>make a pastebin folder
It's a good idea. But I don't have access to folders.
Would an index paste work?

>>186632283
That's the idea : I saw other generals do it as well.
Having a link to a pastebin in the OP containing other links to more specialized pastebin.

https://pastebin.com/hubsc3ZS
Definitely no more typing now.

feels so good man, I've started a fan purifier game - and I've spawned next to a ruined dyson sphere, rushed research for mega structures tech unlock and boom got it sooner than mid game.. not even 100 years in.

>>186627104
Which fast peaced games or medium peaced games are very intellectually stimulating?

I kinda tend to avoid turn based ones because they are huge time sinks, but you never know - I wait for your guidance anon.

>>186634093
Not the guy you asked, but lately I've been playing a lot of Offworld Trading Company and I love it.

there is any game where i can be a fucking bastard?
something like when in dominions 4 you can sacrifice slaves
i want to be cruel
raze cities slave it's inhabitants.

>>186627104

It has a big upside. No two games are identical. Thats why it trumps historical 4X titles.

>>186571908

This looks good. What is it?

>>186635001
You can exterminate the populace in total war

>>186635001
Stellaris is another one. There's even a personality based around it; Fanatical Purifiers.

>>186635460
the problem is that stellaris is too shitty
>that combat
the only thing that saves it is the flavour events, but the rest is shit.

>>186635648
>still no flavour event dlc
fucking paracucks

>>186635774
>wanting them to scam you out of more cash

>>186635197
Think it's Cities: Skylines.

>>186577101
It adds some good hybrid mass transit stations, as well as multi track rail stations. Helps with public transport. Monorail is interesting too.

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What's a good set of ethics if I want to conquer people, but not enslave anyone?

>>186638394
Fanatic purifiers.

Can someone give me a TL;DR of the concrete vs virtual Endless?

>>186640718
concrete weren't actually made out of concrete
virtuals were cyber ghosts
both of them are dicks, especially to each-other

>>186638394
Fanatic Militarist Egalitarian.

>>186633089
Okay, someone else will have to do the thread and hopefully not forget any of these.

>>186640718
>three species existed on the planet Tor
>they into space, for all intents and purposes are the first civilization to span the stars
>expand across the entire galaxy uncontested, with the occasional social strife
>eventually, they meet the Lost; for some reason or another, they end up blowing them up and using the Dust left over as a super-substance
>some dude finds out how to upload one's consciousness into Dust; this sparks a cultural shift, in which the many cultural groups of the endless split into two major categories: the Virtual, who embrace the innovation, and the Concrete, who shun it in favor of traditional cybernetics and medical enhancement
>over a period of time that's anywhere between a few centuries to thousands of years, cultural tension, budget disputes, and general animosity cause relations to sour to the point that all-out civil war occurs
>by the time the smoke clears, only a handful of Endless of both sides remain; they are for all intents and purposes a dead people, and the galaxy is left barren for primitives and former lab experiments to slowly crawl out of the ashes

How are the Sophons the first at everything when the Endless did all those things and more eons earlier?

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>>186640718
Sub-types of trash to get rid of.

>>186640718
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbusivePrecursors

What do you fags think about Endless Space 2? Thinking of trying it out but I'm hearing that it's bugged to the high heavens.

>>186643472
sophons are pretty lame in general
lamest faction in ES2

>>186646968
Too weird, just like EL. I don't have a clue what I'm doing, and I usually succeed anyway, but the feeling I get is not that I'm good at the game.

This ends up not being very fun, between the vast tech choices, the ship design, the totally opaque manpower system, and diplomacy with several counterintuitive and undocumented features.

>>186638394
any ethics that aren't Authoritarian or Xenophobic, those are the only two that force you to restrict alien rights

>>186643472
because the endless - and everyone that existed between then and now, like the mezari - don't matter because they're all dead and barely anyone knows much about them.

>>186646968
almost all of the bugs have been ironed out
i don't like it as much as endless legend, but then again endless space 2 is as vanilla as it could possibly be, and i feel like space 4x is inferior to land-based 4x

TEN

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>>186651765

>>186652102
>tfw no KOTOR-era based 4X game

>>186652102
that nigga started at THREE

Does anyone have the link to that Russian site that has the DLC unlockers for Stellaris? Haven't played since it came out and wanted to check it out.

I feel completely lost in Endless Space 2. I end up focusing on little facets of game play, like establishing trade routes, and end up getting crushed militarily.

I was attacked, and managed to build a counter-fleet that crushed the attackers. A couple turns later the computer sent a fleet that was outfitted to fight my ships specifically. What can man do against such reckless hate?

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>>186627132
I generally beat moderate AI, but not in any extravagant way. Either through huskarl rushing, turtling or just spamming enough trebuchets that it stops mattering how many fucking rams that fucker throws at me.

>>186654391
>pastebin.com/YHdisqem
http://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=68551&hilit=stellaris

>>186576529
>I just found this out while playing... well are military stations 100% useless now?
yes.

they've been useless forever desu.

Early versions of the game I modded them to cost like 80% less to build & maintain but they'd still be so weak they couldn't hold against a fleet or even slow them down.

It's a far cry from watching Deep Space 9 beat the shit out of the Klingons.

Star Ruler is basically a superior game to Stellaris in every aspect of the gameplay.
Star Ruler 2 is an elaborate puzzle that Charlie knocked off the table and you have to stitch together.

>>186613223
>https://pastebin.com/NHjX0Fzn
gj anon

>>186654764
keep countering them

if you start near horatio, cravers, or fishtits, never let your guard down; they will always look for a vulnerability to get a war of opportunity or, in the cravers' case, they'll just declare war whenever they have enough ships to fight
the rest are fairly trustworthy; provide them with gifts, and they shall prove to be amicable and helpful. just remember not to double cross them, or they'll have it out for you.

>>186654764
Build ships that counter their ships, then ships that counter your ships that counter their ships.

>>186660392
Who's worse: cravers or necrophages?

please tell me I'm not the only one that autistically start new games till my starting planet has at least 1 moon

>>186661721
You better just play Spore. You're guaranteed a moon AND a ring!

>>186655021
I remember watching a game where you had to keep a relic or something for 400 ingame years, and the team that got it did exactly this because they were getting their asses kicked.

And they won.

>>186661795
>tfw i feel like playing spore

please convince me not to
I always end up doing this warmonger biped crocodile species

>>186661996
>convince me not to
It'll be 9 years old in two weeks

>>186661996
Spore has one of the most interesting terraforming system I saw. Rather than focusing on the atmosphere, you also have to introduce animals to stabilize the ecosystem.

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>>186662071
>It'll be 9 years old in two weeks
holy fuck i'm only getting older
what am i doing with my life

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It's probably the sleep deprivation, but I'm having a hard time planning how to unfuck this. Keep in mind I bought this yesterday, so I'm still 100% learning.

>>186662223
You don't. The vehicle AI in that game is pretty shit. You either plan ahead in accordance with its behavior or just get a horribly congested mess.

>>186662223
Rule numbetr 1 : you're good for nothing when you're tired. Go to sleep.

>>186660774
Necrophages don't leave entire systems nearly unusable.

>play stellaris
>year 2470
>AI rebellion crisis pops up in another empire
>"oh gee finally a goddamn crisis no one fucking spawned and the unbidden aren't coming up even though we've all got jump drives thank god now i'll finally be able to ki-"
>they get wrecked by the weakest empire

gee
that was underwhelming

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYp_joa8wT8
*parks a hundred modern armours outside ur capital*

>>186653305
He started at One

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>>186640718
Arm vs Core, but with less giant robots and more spacemagic

>>186664340
dammit you're right

>>186663425
Civ3's soundtrack gives me the biggest bouts of nostalgia desu.

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>>186662223
Download a highway exit roundabout interchange, or just a regular roundabout and modify it slightly. Use the traffic manager to ensure it's a proper roundabout after modifying.

Rebuild the west roundabout exit into a single 6 lane going east-west.

>>186662863
it's shit we're working on it

>>186661996
The game is still in thepiratebay top 100 pc game torrents.

>>186623107
It is there to show who got it first.

>>186561229
>Hannibal Baka

>>186668410
fuck it, I'll get it

what torrent should i use, i want all dlc included

>>186661721
Play as Earth humans?

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>>186670635
>all those adjectives
>fucking CLONES

>no 4x truly goes the hard sci-fi route
>no 4x with a Von Neumann civilization

>>186670726
>No The Expanse 4X

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>>186670806
Barely any RTS or 4x really deals with the belt, or any belts for that matter.

>>186542668
A lot of it depends. Civ, starting conditions, map, etc.

Almost always, though, 2-3 scouts, then some slingers, then a monument. Sub in a worker when you're at or nearing 3 population and have the relevant techs, and a granary if you're hurting on food/housing.
Scout with scouts and only scouts. Once you get a couple out, bring your warrior home to fight barbs. You really want scouts to be the ones finding shit and getting exp for it. Slingers and warriors can fill in little holes in your map close to home, but mostly they should fighting barbs. Eureka your way into the techs for iron and archers and you should be in good shape for awhile.
Don't really worry about settlers until the policy from early empire unless you need to beat someone to a good spot. Once you do have it though, settle as much as you think you can handle. Should have iron revealed at this point.
Be nice to any civs you encounter. Show them your city, send a delegation, trade right away if possible. Diplomacy snowballs hard in this game, and if you've got a lot of mildly unfriendly or even neutral neighbors then expect joint war after joint war. Don't let that happen.
If going for a religion, immediately go astrology and get a holy site above all else. The AI is wet for religion no matter who they are, you gotta start immediately.

>>186671021
>>186670806
>4 months before Persepolis Rising
Stop teasing me.

>>186670635
I just can't take them seriously with those heads, sorry.

>>186672932
>he saw deformity
>He didnt find beauty

>>186673009
There are so many ways to make a clone race original and they chose one of the worst.
They look goofy as shit.

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>>186673083
You have objectively shit taste. This is a historically proven fact.

How come the modding scene for Stellaris isn't as big as for the other big Paradox strategy titles?

>>186674192
Because it's more recent, and it's also shit.

I haven't played a 4x game in months.

>>186675874
Please rectify this.
You will feel happier and more fulfilled.

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>>186567869
>>186568392
Amplitude outdid themselves with the art

>>186669207
I used the one with all dlc except for the space adventures one, cause it fucking sucks and is impossible to turn off

>>186670726
That would be kind of boring.

Without FTL, you can realistically control only single planet.

>>186677270
>The camera is right here. The organic horrors can see us
>Who gives a fuck? They're out there and we're in here.

>>186677637
I thought that one guy in the background looked awfully chill.

They're actually being imprisoned by fellow riftborn.

>>186677270
True.

Which one is Thomas?

>>186675874
Same. I dont even know why i keep coming here but it's comfy.

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>>186677270
Wish these fuckers weren't a pain to get because lelgasgiantminors. I fucking love their design

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>>186677696
Don't think so, Riftborn imprisonment is being tossed into a spatial rift, Which is a whole 'nother level of terrifying.

>Get tossed in
>10 years pass
>Get back out
>Only one day has passed

It's like getting one of those dreams where you live an entire life and then wake up.

>>186678357
So many of the ES2 factions are horrifying

>>186678879
Name one that isn't.

>>186678928
Vaulters?

>>186678928
Lumeris/UE wouldn't be that bad to live under. Sure you have to deal with corruption and general shittiness of society but its not that horrifying.

>>186678960
They got dusted by the Vodyani in ES2, didn't they?

>>186678357
>Get tossed in
>10 years pass
>Get back out
>Only one day has passed

Literally Star Trek Deep Space 9.

>>186678357
>have ability to squeze time
>doesn't use it to accelerate production or research
>use it for useless shit, like punishing criminals

>>186678928
Sophons.

>>186679163
Except they do? You can make rifts that speed up a system.
It's pretty good too, I think it gave like 25% to FIDSI

>>186679636
>Boost FIDSI
>Boost governor XP gain
>Boost movement in system

Singularities are bretty gud

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What's the best build for just cramming space full of megastructures? Double down on engineering, shitting out minerals or poppulation spamming to quickly fill out and work more tiles and then habitats?

>>186671149
>Almost always, though, 2-3 scouts, then some slingers, then a monument.

For Civ 6? You'll get BTFO by barbarian horsemen if you focus on scouts first.

>>186668410
Isn't the P-Bay a honeypot?

Is it actually safe to use?

What ever happened to KAT?

>>186681979
With adblock it is safe enouogh, just check the trusted scull icon next to the uploader and the comments.

>>186682167
Yeah, but I'm not looking to be arrested and/or sued; that's what I meant by "Is it actually safe to use?"

>>186682305
I've never been arrested/sued. My friends and acquaintances haven't been either. Half of my country as well. Those rumors seem to be unfounded.

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>>186679163

>>186682839
As cool as it sounds, +1 per turn is nothing.
In my last game, I had +20k dust income, mostly from trade routes.

>>186683010
bonus increases by one per turn as well, as in its exponential

dumb ass

>>186682305
>implying people get sued/arrested for torrents
Come on anon, unless you are uploading terabytes of data nobody give a shit about your actions.

>>186678357
>It's like getting one of those dreams where you live an entire life and then wake up.
literally star trek next generation

>>186683258
You mean DS9
Being O'Brien is suffering

>>186679023
No, just one Mezari clan did
Vaulters are a specific clan of the Mezari who got shipwrecked on Auriga

>>186683010
>what does "bonus increases by +1 per turn" means : the post

>>186683348
What is "The Inner Light".

>>186684092
Don't you fucking remind me.

>>186684206
*plays the flute*

>>186680893
mods

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>>186684352

*builds frontier outpost around a star close to your empire*

>>186684502
*sends six niggallion corvettes*

>>186680893
authoritarian xenophobe materialists, get caste system to maximise farm & mine output with slave & mining guilds, Extremely Adaptive & Strong.

Then just keep working towards the right civics & techs.