/xcg/ XCOM General

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XCom soldiers were made to lay with serpents.

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>>186598253
DELET

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>And they were little better than criminals themselves from what Barzano could tell. A more devious nest of scheming
vipers he had scarce encountered - outside his own organisation, he reflected with a wry grin. Each of the cartels had, at
one point or another, allied with one other in return for short-term goals and profits, before reneging on their contracts and
supporting yet another cartel. It appeared that this was a quite normal state of affairs and it depressed Barzano immensely
to think that, as the forty-first millennium drew to a close, humanity still could not put aside its differences when virtually
every alien race in the galaxy was bent on its destruction.

>Vipers

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>valkyria ports never


fuck

>>186598253
>Wanting to fuck Sneks who larp as thinmen.
Collaborators should be shot on sight.

I'm playing xpiratez. How the fuck are you supposed to defend a new base when there's nowhere to put the defenders?

I swear I cant finish any LW2 campaign because I just keep restarting after getting 3/4 through the game

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Huehuehue ports when

>>186598838
Also why has one of my retarded newbies been given a promotion when there's half a dozen other pirates who have near max stats and far better career stats?

All vipers must fucking hang

>10 days until cute Skirmisher waifus

I can't fucking wait

>>186598114
That's terrible. That's so fucking terrible. I love it.

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D E P L O Y E D

>>186598321
Get ready for a snek faction you can recruit.

Wait does WOTC change Alien Hunter DLC so you don't get to play as Central anymore and just make it so the Rulers spawn in facilities now? I actually like the snake den level.

>>186604686
Yeah, and you don't get the backstory on how Vahlen created them...which makes it a bit odd when you hit your first facility and Bradford starts rambling on about "Vahlen's creations". I hope Lost Towers is still included, that mission is fun as hell.

>>186604686
>>186604776

You can choose if you want them the new way, or the old way, or the no way where they just spawn and rape you.

>>186604865
Yeah? Cause I watched this one YT and when he integrated it it spawned in a facility. Guess I have to wait for the 29th to actually see it.

>>186604776
I actually like the story, they should have made it so that the Berserker and Archon King were the only ones guarding the facility which makes sense since they're the only 2 that left the den.

This is a retarded noob question, and I should know the answer given how mlong I've owned the game, but have never tried.

How does the XCOM 2 psionics training work in regards to soldier class?
I've always put rookies in for Psi training. Can you put veterans in for psi training?
Do they get to keep any of their old abilities if so, or do they just benefit from better (or worse) stat gains?

>>186604865
If you do it the old way, the Berserker Queen and Archon King will only appear when you attack ADVENT facilities, then become random encounters if they escape from those missions?

>>186605017
No, rookies only.

>>186605017
You can only put rookies for psi training unlike in 1 where it's a late game/chance thing where you can put your colonel and still retain their skills.

>>186605017
You can only put rookies in psi training

>>186605041

That doesn't sound like the old way.

>>186597882
Way to break the YouTube links

>>186605493
What do you expect? We didn't EVAC in time.

>>186605185
It's still starting off their content the old way, going to the cave and confronting the Viper King. What I'm asking is if the other two Rulers will only appear guarding facilities and then become random encounters after that.

>>186605941
Yeah I think the other 2 rulers will only proc if you go to their facility.

>>186605941

Doubt it.

>>186605493
No one else was making a new thread, I've never done this before so maybe you should have made it.

>>186603776
modded recruit factions would be great

>>186594838
That game is so shallow.

The entire strategic design and tactical layer were focused entirely around countering X-COM strategies. It didn't do its own thing.

>>186606418
Well I like the Air defense feel and also the globe feels a lot more fulfilling but yeah you're right, it's quite shallow but it's fun in its own way. Just finished playing hardwest and didn't want to be burned out when the xpac comes out

>>186606418
I still like a lot of things in it, like how soldiers have previous military experience and how the map has events going on like abductions and stuff that adds to casualties and stuff. The combat was also fun it was just lacking a lot of things, I'm looking forward to see if the dev can build a lot with Xenonauts 2.

>>186606954
What do you want in 2? I kinda want powersuits/mechs while still having the vehicles also for the aliens to have vehicles since when you get the tank, you can basically tank a lot of hits and kill them in 1~2 shots, also better base building since base building wasn't that good imo in 1.

>>186607147
Yeah also I want the strategy layer to have deeper mechanics and better air combat, which the dev has said he is planning on doing. With the switch to a 3d engine I'm hoping there will be some decent soldier customization as imo that was one of the best parts of XCOM EU/2.

>>186607415
Would be a fun mechanic if you hire the pilots personally, like they have different stats and shit. Maybe fight Humans also since it's supposed to be set during the cold war right? While you fight aliens you also fight espionage?

>>186605041
No, you can't have it both ways. Old way just has the Queen and King random spawn afterwards.

God dammit. Here I was enjoying Marbozir's run since he hadn't been a complete dumbass, but that facility assault was just the worst. Not only did he not know what the Viper King's Bind did if you leave a soldier in it, but he had the perfect opportunity to have his Ranger shoot it in the face to force the retreat and didn't take it.

Then later he decides to sit around for 20 turns trying to make a pod move when it was obvious they were guarding the objective and when they do finally move following his Reaper and STAND NEXT TO A CAR, the fucker doesn't use Remote Start combined with the Claymore to completely wipe them out.

How can they be this bad? These people constantly clear legend difficulty, yet they make mistakes like this again and again when they have all the time in the world to think about things and just edit it out later.

>>186606392
>Help one
>Others hate you more

Would be interesting.

>>186609769
Because they're human and make mistakes, especially when they're playing a new, substantial expansion pack for the first time. The fact that they, as you said, "constantly clear legend difficulty" means they can't be THAT bad. I know people who can't even beat the game on Rookie.

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>>186598253
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=631509676

A pity the mod is dead, looking for more silly stuff for my 2nd run (imagine your evac zone was a pigeon you had to chase around).

As someone with only the base game is there any point in me getting Alien Hunters and Shens last gift before the new expansion hits?

>>186609769
>Viper King's Bind
Now, to be fair, in all my walkthroughs i've never seen a full bind. Until the vid i didn't know it knocks out the soldier.
But i have to agree with the car, seeing people NOT blow shit up with Reaper is hard.

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>A Chosen can spawn during Terror missions

>>186610198
This isn't even making mistakes. It's not even considering your options. Youtubers shouldn't have this problem, especially since he was sitting there for a good long while cutting out footage. Meanwhile you have Bahroo that's checking out Remote Start every time it popped up. Odd as well looked at least looked at it and tried to use it before moving into a poor position. Marb just got his head in ONE direction and stuck with it, instead of thinking maybe he should try a new approach when things weren't working.

It's ok to make mistakes. It isn't ok to say "I know this isn't exciting for you guys, but I'm going to do this anyway."

>>186610559
I don't even remember where I first saw that it did that, but I also knew from encounters with the other Rulers that their moves were stronger then their regular variants and all of them could knock unconscious. Even if I hadn't known for a fact.

But yeah, this is getting really stupid. People are writing the Reaper off as a worse Sniper simply because of their damage. Not even taking into account their other abilities. I have yet to see anyone take Distraction, or Blood trail. They see Banish and flip their shit, but won't take Blood Trail? A free extra 5 damage on Banish and nothing. Or maybe how they could get someone other then the Reaper to set off a set claymore and use the Reaper to clean up a straggler. I've seen too many one off lethals and yet it never crosses their mind.

God it just makes the wait even harder. I am going to destroy everything.

>>186598473
>Vipers

Is a word in English. Do you start flailing you arms woldly when you encounter words like "commander", "berserker" or "sniper" in other media?

>>186611763
Only when we're on page 10.

>>186610569
Yup, you aren't winning that one.

>A chosen can spawn during an ambush

>>186611763
I actually do

>>186611616
>God it just makes the wait even harder.
Well shit, looks like Jake's plans are even more devious than one could imagine.

>>186613302
I don't think it's a very good plan when most people that are watching have already gotten the game. Bad play usually disways people from buying as they think it makes the game look bad.

Especially when people keep complaining that the new classes don't feel all that great. Except the Templar, I think I have seen only one person complain that the Templar is completely worthless. Everyone else loves to hate on the Skirmisher and just keep him around for his ability to command anyone.

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So how does one work out mod conflicts aside from the one-at-a-time approach with every variation needing a new save?

Using most of the modlist from the pastebin but cannot fathom why Cost Based Ability Colours is not activatiing.
Mod launcher shows the following overrides (pictured) but nothing else touched that internal class

>>186613893
I think it's just outdated and something in base game changed. There was some debate on if it was causing the slow down on the geoscape or not.

>>186613893

>other than one at a time

You disable half your mods and if the problem is gone then you disable half of the mods of the half you had disabled before and so on and so forth until you track it down.

Chaos Dreadnought&Dreadnought VP for sparks when

>>>186587992
>explain
Well the two most obvious examples would be using Covering Fire as a form of crowd control since LW ayys don't like to provoke overwatch shots, and doing a massed charge into a large number of ayys, since they will try to take cover as a priority if flanked, and using a lot of people in the charge means they have to double-move to find cover, so they don't shoot back despite having a bunch of close targets out of cover. They still trigger ccs when they flee for cover, too

>>186613863
>Reaper's not great when you're not reaping
>Skirmisher's not great when you're not skirmishing
>Templar's not great when you're not templing
Imagine that

>>186613863
That's one way of seeing it.
Doesn't seeing those shitty moves makes you want to play it even more? "Man, i could do it so much better"

>>186613863
>disways
'Dissuades.' As in opposite of persuades.

Why dont they allow us to add faces

>>186609769
>Marbozir uses item to reveal enemies ahead on the map
>He then double moves guy into their pod to activate them

What the fuck lmao how do you play like this

>>186614041
Ok, hadn't heard about it causing issues considering it's generally considered essential..

Sadly its widespread use also means no-one has bothered coming up with a definitive list of all single action abilities and items

>>186615065
But you only have a small possibility of someone that is into strategy games thinking like that. The majority don't think tactically like that, they can't see the systems that we do. They might be able to tell something was a bad move, but that's going to be a minority. Why do you think that most people think even the base game is unfair? The thing that grabs the normies more then anything is the feeling that they can do it too and that means seeing good plays and explanations for those good plays so they can follow along.

>>186615179
Thanks. I don't know why I couldn't get it out. I knew it wasn't right, but my brain just wasn't giving my the right letter. I guess I got stuck on Sway.

>>186615497
Because they don't want wall-to-wall Trump.

>>186615504
>"What, that activated? COME ONNNNN"

Yeah, it's pretty bad sometimes. Though I must admit, once you get Tactical Analysis, moving into a pod on your turn will have less of an impact. Aliens only getting one action on their turn means either shooting or moving.

are animations faster in wotc or am i seeing shit

>>186615879
Seeing shit. There is a 'zip mode' in the options, someone might have it on, but otherwise it's the same speed as vanilla.

>>186615497
>>186615732

From my limited understanding, it is possible, just very hard, and the new faces would have to be variations of the existing faces, if you are curious why google "Morph targets" because that is how the different faces are done.

As far as i know, i could be wrong, maybe it is impossible and that's why modders have to add new faces as head props with an invisible head available.

>>186615991
hold the fuck up, this is what it's for? i description never displays for me so i didn't use that

Reapers should have a pistol primary. Less STALKER-like but I think people would understand how to use them better.

>>186616478
Yeah, zip mode makes a few animations faster. Like gremlin flying and a few others, but otherwise all animations remain the same speed. What did you think it was used for?

>>186616530

Mods will fix it. I'm sure we'll get a multitude of classes for skirmishers, reapers and templars once the expansion is out.

Actually not sure about Templars, they can already do everything.

>>186616648
>Mods will fix it
That's the problem desu, no one is making animation mods. Pistols need new animations for primary weapon.

>>186616530
No, I don't think anything would change. The complaint about their damage would stay the same. Aside from that, making pistol their base weapon means giving them Faceoff or Fanfire and I can't imagine the chaos that would cause when they can have three claymores out at the same time.

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Is there some kind of skill tree video? Been looking for a text version but couldn't find one.
>>186615551
>feeling that they can do it too
Then it's a win-win situation? Seasoned players see the vids and want to do better, more casual folks see the cool shit and explanations and want to try those moves. Both audiences get hooked.

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>>186616808

Animations might be hard but your lack of faith is troubling miscreant, mods shall fix all ailments and buff THE ELDERS'S MOST LOYAL CHAMPION TO HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE AS GOD KING OF ALL ADVENT FORCES ON EARTH

>tfw 10 more days

i wish i could just stasis myself

Post more of the ELDER'S MOST LOYAL CHAMPION

>>186617082
>more casual folks see the cool shit and explanations

That's the problem. The cool shit was coming from the streamers who actually seem to know what they are doing and have been playing 10 hours a day. Youtubers are just starting, yet have more exposure because everyone already knows them, so they have yet to get to the real cool stuff and the abilities they do have, they don't use, or use poorly and give a bad presentation of them. So far Odd is the only one that is doing well and actually gives some explanation into his thought process when it comes to engaging. Like his correct statement on not overwatching on concealment all the time, as it can be better to try to move in for a flank, or back off when they end up taking good cover and you have no follow up.

Marbozir doesn't seem to do any of this, he's like Odd in that he waffles about his decisions, but he doesn't give good explanations. In fact I haven't seen anyone make a good video explaining things like Advent AI and why it makes certain moves safe and which don't. Or why certain abilities are literally garbage and which are god tier.

I expect a bunch of floundering around by new players when it comes to using the new classes, even though their abilities are pretty easy to understand.

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>>186617681

>>186616818
>making pistol their base weapon means giving them Faceoff or Fanfire
No it doesn't, those are Sharpshooter skills.

>>186617816
So, it's gonna be rulers all over again?

>>186618139
In that all the casuals think they are complete bullshit when really they are a joke? Yes.

One of these days I'm going to port BF1's End of Round themes over

https://youtu.be/WC1DLT1s_hw

https://youtu.be/WGa0cQHrrdM

>>186617197
and yet the only mod I've seen that changes any animations is a viper mod made for the hell of it then promptly abandoned.

Maybe it's the draw of the simple steam workshop model but it feels like there's a much smaller pool of variation in mod types compared to games where people had to scrounge around on nexus/moddb

>>186618042
I mean access to them in their XCOM skill list. Otherwise their pickings would be rather slim. Only the most generic abilities like all the grenade perks, Salvo, Volatile mix, Untouchable, maybe Guardian. To deny a pistolier THE pistol skills would just be silly.

Would a stealth pistol class be completely broken? Damn straight it would. I built a sharpshooter and a rogue like that and it was freaking stupid.

>>186618626

Well, LW2 and Advent Pathfinders have new animations in there somewhere. Nothing big but the sawed off shotgun fire animation and the Pathfinder's scanner animations are new. Technically laser weapons also have new animations because they like open and extend and shit when they fire.

>I'll just ignore the objectives and watch ADVENT kill the lost
>Wait what's happening why are there so many lost and why am I losing

>>186617082
>Is there some kind of skill tree video?

Nope, but we know all the Reapers abilites.

>Corporal
Remote Start
Blood trail
All attacks made against a target already hurt deal +1 damage Since the Reaper has pretty low standard damage, this is great for finishing off already hurt enemies in the early game.
>Sergeant
Target Definition
All revealed targets will remain revealed for the rest of the mission. Absolutely amazing for scouting. Never have to worry about running into a pod in the fog ever again.
Sharpnel
Claymore damage increased from six to eight and increases it's radius from one to three.
>Lieutenant
Born in Shadow?
If you kill with your rifle from shadow, then the chance to be revealed will not increase. Good for if you want to make a flanking shooting build, as a Reaper should be finishing off weakened or small prey and will hopefully remain undetected.
Distraction
Kills made with the Claymore put the Reaper back in Shadow. Given the damage of the upgraded claymore, this shouldn't be hard especially if paired with remote start.
????
>Captain
Sting
A special shot
Soul Harvest
When the Reaper kills with the rifle, adds 5% crit, up to 20%
>Major
Extra Claymore
Gain one additional use of Claymore, duh
Banish
Fire all shots remaining until you kill your target, all shots have their own separate aim roll
>Colonel
Homing Claymore
Attach a Claymore to an enemy, when damaged, the claymore will detonate
Annihilate
Banish will now fire at the next closest enemy if you kill the first targeted enemy. This will continue until you are out of ammo or out of enemies.

>>186620429
Freaking hell

Sting
A special shot that can be made from concealment. Will not break Shadow. This ability has one charge and a 3 turn "cooldown", which means it can't be used from mission start and you must wait 3 turns into the mission to be able to use it.

>>186619536
God that infuriated me so much watching Odd do that. I was actually rooting for the Assassin Chosen when she showed up. Watching all these streamers is some kind of masochistic hell for me while waiting.

>>186620429
Annihilate sounds great for ammo efficiency with a superior magazine.

>>186621194
Eh, it's not really that great. Max ammo you can get with the Vector Rifle and it's upgrades is 6. At the late game when you get it, it means you might kill a Andromedon from full HP and then shoot once more at something else. Waiting for a bunch of targets to be heavily damaged and using it is obviously the best thing you can do, but you aren't going to be able to wait that long most of the time.

Oh and it also has only one charge. So make sure the time is right, or it can just be a big waste. Really if I wanted to max it's potential, I would put a Repeater on.

>>186621725
With Blood Trail, at max upgrades damage variance would result in 41 to 69 damage on a single target. Shame it's still getting out done by Rapid Fire.

>class starts next week
>WotC releases on a lab day
Fug

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Avatar.

>>186620859
I think the only thing that really bothers me when the Assassin shows up is people not realizing they can flank and reveal her. Even with Jake saying "They have YOUR abilities, they work like you do", they just ignore it, hunker all around each other and overwatch. Even when they KNOW that Overwatch does fuck all to her. Instead they could be spreading out to maximize sight lines, so that when she runs in from wherever she spawned, she would reveal and sit there like a moron.

They do the same thing with the Spectre too, it can conceal and they just sit there overwatching. Sometimes they get lucky and the stupid thing flanks itself and it's like "Oh, there it is." Without thinking on why it said REVEALED.

>>186621725
Isn't there a way to get 4 tier attachments now?
>7 shots with 20% chance of instakill.

>>186622959
Oh, yes. Of course. I don't know why I was thinking that was the max. All attachments can move up a rank through a breakthrough. 20% instant kills will be rather nice. I await seeing someone hit 7 insta kills with Banish.

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What went wrong?

>>186623319
Nothing. I like them. They have this sleek and powerful look to them. Ethereals had that horrifying aspect going on, with the floating and the four arms. Avatar is better from the story stand point they were going for. The Ethereals want to be GODS and view the human form as perfection that humans are currently wasting.

>>186623563
Fuck off reddit.

>>186623609
>dumb avatarposter calling anyone else reddit
dumb avatarposter

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Ayys have the best weapons.

Didn't mind the avatar concept. face mask looks a bit daft but the alternative would likely have been unmasked ADVENT with glowing eyes so probably for the best.

Wasn't a fan of the commander becoming even more of a super special self-insert snowflake by the end.
EW did it better with psionics being believably basic in humans with your 'chosen' hero simply capable of interfacing with a device rather than soloing 3 Elders of untold age and power.

God knows what they plan for X3 if it happens following that sequal bait ending.

>>186623319
that question as it is is entirely subjective.

Tell us what you don't like, and more than likely there will be a reasonable explanation as to why it is the way it is, either through ingame means like lore, or irl tech/resource limitations.

>>186622740
>they just ignore it, hunker all around each other and overwatch. Even when they KNOW that Overwatch does fuck all to her.

This is what the Ironman/Legend meme does to people. The idea of taking risks and playing aggressively - doing anything other than the standard beagle overwatch crawl - just doesn't occur, even when the developers continually implement systems to make that style of play non-optimal.

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pls no bully

>>186623803
>rinky dink plasma guns

EW plasma>2 plasma

>>186624146
Noice

>>186623803
I don't think I've ever seen a standard muton engage in melee attack, do they ever put that blade to use?

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>>186624019
It's a step-down from the Ethereal look in Xcom EU.

>>186624210
False, but you can have your opinion

>>186624352
They can bayonet charge and parry melee

>Enemy right next to ranger
>Shotty hit
>Fails to kill enemy
>Didn't slash before using shotty
wtf is wrong with these people

>>186624648
only good one is the plasma staff but only because it doesn't look like a kids toy

>>186624093
Never done Ironman, game glitches out too often for me to even think about doing. But I never found Legend to be really too much.for being aggressive. Actually being aggressive was probably the best choice in most instances.

>>186624994
They are being smart and not confusing Long War mechanics with Vanilla. Slash causes your turn to end, so he was going with the higher damage.

>>186625126
Oh really?

Why does LW2 make melee so much stronger than vanilla? Is it because lump is just a fucking weeb or what?

>>186625234
Because they wanted it to be a risk-reward mechanic

>>186625234
It's because he needed a way to not make Shinobi suck complete ass. So he made it able to take out something close to you and still be able to Fleche another target.

I would say that WotC did it much better with the Templar for a melee focused class and the changes to Bladestorm has caused Ranger damage to skyrocket. It no longer triggers on just something coming into the 1 square radius around you, or attacking. It can now trigger on things leaving as well. The Assassin's sword also can't miss.

>>186622740
Whoa, I had no idea the Spectre can conceal. But I agree with you on the other points.

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>>186625610
>needed a way to not make Shinobi suck complete ass
lump was perhaps too successful

>>186625613
Yeah, I was kind of surprised they could too. Their ability is called Vanish and like Reaper's shadow, it increases how far they can move and they can already move pretty far. If you activate them from far off, they will almost always Vanish before moving closer to you. It's a free action as well, like Codex teleport.

>>186625809
Only the people that know the true power of the Shinobi will come to appreciate that. I remember when they first put out the perk pack and I thought that Fleche was the most broken shit. Hitting for 20 damage in the early game was stupid. Because of how it counts movement, how it works with Reaper is also just way beyond anything. I know Reaper isn't the best in the base game, but that turned it into probably the best skill in the game.

How high have you gotten it? 100?

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>>186625610
But did they make it so bladestorm doesn't trigger against mutons?

>>186626216
No, no it still does. I think I would actually be kind of mad if it didn't. Still, Counterattack is only a chance to happen and eating the damage isn't that bad. It's the disorient I would be worried about. Besides, if you have killed something, then it misses and Counterattack has a cooldown and Bladestorm triggers against it. Oh and guess what? Templars can get Return Fire in addition to Bladestorm, and Bladestorm counts as Rend, so if you kill with it, it generates focus.

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Can you make your soldiers fat?

>>186626487
>Templars get bladestorm
Gonna be my favorite class

>>186626487
>something runs past your fully powered up templar
>templar uses bladestorm
>bladestorm counts as rend
>templar hits it
>have perk that gives splash to rend
>splash damage spills over your entire team, including the vip
>team was already at 1-2 health each due to viper venom
I sure hope this is a possibility

>>186625024
Keep pretending blob thrower can compete with beam cannons

>>186626637
Yeah, probably mine too. They get really powerful at end game. Arc wave at 3 focus, deals 6 damage to everything it hits and it can go through solid walls. Stunning Blast can push units back, meaning you can knock things off of buildings. It's also good for pushing something into a soldiers sight lines. Amplify means things take 33% increased damage and this is one of their early skills. A 9 damage shotgun blast turns into 12 and this damage increase stacks with things Rupture. Oh and did I mention it doesn't end their turn. So you can Amplify and then Rend.

Parry completely blocks a single attack, so Templars are good meat shields. Deflect gives you a 20/30/40/50 percent chance to completely negate a targeted ranged attack, depending on focus and if you have the next perk, Reflect, you have a 50% chance of a Parried or Deflected attack being returned for all of it's damage it would have done.

>>186626487
Every time a muton has counter attacked me they've killed the soldier

>>186626091
That's... really good to know, thanks. I'm now torn about feeling good knowing that or not. 10 days out and I'm wondering if I should evac from this general and go radio silent until release now. Decisions.

>>186627249
Luckily Arc Wave only goes off on the Rend ability and not Bladestorm. I also believe it can't hurt your own people. It's basicly free fucking damage with no downside, except maybe hitting an explosive.

>>186627264
>bitch beams
vs
>blob of plasma in your face

plasma lasers suck

>>186627589
FACT CHECK: FALSE

Hot beam of ionized gas arcing across the air > squish squish squish

>>186627423
Oh. I saw in one of the dev streams that it does highlight your people when they're in the wave, so I assumed it would hurt them, and they were careful to manouevre it so that it didn't land on the person.

>>186627270
This is some Jedi shit. Wonder if the endgame will be even more boring now.

>>186627760
>hot ass gas
vs
>hot AF jam

boi

>>186628016
Anon the projectiles are not jam. Plasma is a gas.

>>186627794
Well there you go. Still, the wave can be manipulated pretty well depending on where you slice and generally you won't have people standing among enemies. So I don't think it will be a problem.

>>186627919
Given Bahroo's stream. I would say it ultimately depends on how lucky you are, or just your build. It takes a lot of AP to get all those abilities and you don't get many points for the XCOM point pool. So if you get things like Deflect and Reflect, you are probably going to miss out on the other things. Like Pillar, just make High Cover where you want. Or Invert and Exchange. Which allows you to target an enemy or friendly and change positions. Bahroo used Exchange on one of the Avenger's Turrets

>>186628267
https://clipstwitchtv//ObliviousAbstemiousFiddleheadsPlanking

>Only stream up right now is a German who just got to the blacksite

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>>186628057
>Plasma is a gas

Partially incorrect.

>>186628479
clipstwitchtv/FreezingLachrymoseThymePipeHype

The saga continues Holy shit Tygan, no wonder the UFO found us

>>186628608
I know what it is in the technical sense. But anon seemed to think it's some kind of gel or paste.

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DUDE ZOMBIES AND ALIENS LMAO

>>186623319
The purple visor plus the white hair looks Sonichu as fuck, plus instead of a vague view of an eye through the visor they should have had a maw-ful of fangs grinning madly.

Also their AI was retarded and they usually kill themselves by trying to nuthin perssonel you and landing right in front of an unimpressed Ranger with a shotgun.

>>186629453
This is why I dropped Bore of the Chosen

>>186629556
Most of the enemies have retarded AI in this game.

>>186629556

>they should have had a maw-ful of fangs grinning madly.

God no, that's even worse.

>>186611763

I think that was some exert from a Warhammer fanfic.

>>186630570
If they didn't, humans wouldn't stand a chance. Though the have changed it a bit, they actually seek out high ground if they can and seem to be better on picking different cover depending on your squad. So if you have lots of cover destruction, they try to take high cover that can't be easily destroyed. They are also less keen on taking a car if they can help it.

>>186630570
Most of them are smart enough to not leap in front of your troops begging to be shot, though.

Although I did once get my ranger duo into a ruck with 3 pods during which a mech decided to run to a doorway, from being 3 squares away from both of them, directly between the two of them getting double bladestormed in the process. One missed, so he survived and fired a grenade, scratching one and blowing up a chryssalid. He didn't even go through the doorway and there was no reason to move, plus he only hit one of them with the grenade. Never seen anything so dumb from the AI before or since.

>>186630949
I'm more trying to get away from faglord to predator, but yeah it's probably faglord to edglord.

>>186631021
>exert
Excerpt.

>Vague view of an eye
I'm pretty sure it's face isn't a giant eye, it's the signature giant nose that all ADVENT have since the troopers, etc were all tests of playing with human DNA.

The white hair is there to be noticeable and it does the job and contrasts well with the purple and black. Honestly I can't think of another colour that wouldn't look gaudier (glowing yellow SS?) or just wouldn't attract as much attention (more purple/black)

>>186631261
>likes cyberninjas
>can't format a post
Back to plebbit with you.

>>186631064
>>186631134
Do sectoids still try to mind control when they have the perfect chance to kill you?

>>186629617
Fuck off goldhawk shill

Go play your puddle deep game

>>186631465
I dunno, I shoot them if they're badly placed and ignore them otherwise so they waste their turns. They're too squishy to be a threat, really.

>>186631465
From what I have seen? It depends on the state of their pod and if they are the last thing on the map. If their pod is healthy, they will take a flank shot. If they are down a man or two, they will try to Mind Spin or Reanimate depending on if one is on cooldown or not. If they are the last of a pod and they aren't the last enemy on the map? They will run away even if flanking. If they are the last thing on the map? It's a coin flip.

So don't count on it always going for Psi, it COULD turn and shoot you, but Sectoids will generally use Psi when they can since it's easy for them to land. But they do learn and stop using Psi if you have things like Mind Shield or Solace around now. So you can't trick them into wasting their turn every time they have Mindspin up.

>>186629015
>clipstwitchtv/FreezingLachrymoseThymePipeHype

Tygan's obsession with burgers is funnier to me than anything Vahlen ever did.

>>186630570
It's more they are intentionally coded to close in and engage. The difficulty in EU/EW is pods would generally hold their ground, back up to a more defencible permission or run to another nearby pod for chain activations.

I expect early on in development they realised this would only piss off players since it would mean more prolonged firefights and many many failed timers as a result

>>186631415
When did I talk about the Codex? Nothing cyber about an avatar.

>>186631997
Everyone's funnier in War of the Chosen. Even Bradford. Have you heard what he says in regards to how much the Chosen talk?

>>186632198
I haven't, no. Do tell?

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>>186631134

Avatars just need a fancy helmet and a cape. Maybe long white hair instead of SSJ hair.

>>186632329
That's a good idea to make them less DBZ, more non wrinkly ethereal at full power

>>186632087
>Nothing cyber about an avatar.
It looks like it got fired from Naruto and it teleports.

>>186632264
clipstwitchtv/BoxyVictoriousDiamondNononoCat

>It's a "all the characters are voiced by the cast of TNG" game
what did they mean by this

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>>186631261
>I'm pretty sure it's face isn't a giant eye.
>Star control2
>Spathi were terrorized by sectoids.
>Sentient energy=Psionics

Good Lord, it all is so clear now!

>>186632804
That they are amazing actors and I love them. I mean they got John Delancie, fucking Q to play Geist. It's so fucking perfect it hurts.

>>186632804
on purpose obviously

>>186632793
self awareness is funny

>>186632329
A simple hood with the cape would do. Someone has already done a hooded ethereal mod and it does make them look pretty badass. Add a cape and yeah, they'd be damn fine.

>>186598838
>>186600192
You don't. You have to decide what buildings to put up first in your new base, and if it gets detected, it's gone. On the other hand, you usually haven't invested much in it yet, so it's mostly just an annoyance. You can build one of those buildings that have small amounts of living space and storage space first to get defenses up ASAP.

>Also why has one of my retarded newbies been given a promotion when there's half a dozen other pirates who have near max stats and far better career stats?
I'm not exactly sure how promotions work, though really they don't matter besides morale mechanics and salary. I would at least turn on the option that makes it so that only soldier actively going on missions get promotions so you don't get C-Team seat warmers getting promoted.

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Stop watching WOTC streamers

>>186634928
You're right, its too fucking frustrating

>>186634010
Cool, thanks. I eventually figured a burrow/hideout was the only option. Annoying, I'd expect that to be mentioned somewhere in one of the starter guides.

>>186634928
I can't, I need to know more. The more I see these fools bumbling their way through the new missions, the less I have to worry about cocking them up myself.

>>186636248
>It's a "guy fires without moving or reloading 4 times in a row" stream

>>186637125
>he's using a ranger with bladestorm

>>186636248
Eh, I think I got the jist of it by now. Now the only thing to worry about going forward is how much the various combat intelligence give on level up for their respective levels. Good thing the increase IS RETROACTIVE, if you get the covert action to give them the next level. I hope to god the first Templar I get is a Savant. Too many abilities that are just god and I know I won't be able to decide between them.

Oh, that's right. We don't have to worry about abilities going off screen anymore, they just get put under the ones we already have. Much better then that stupid button we had to push to get it to scroll before.

>>186637274
>He's not using a Ranger with Bladestorm

Seriously, it's way too good now and its really easy to get more then enough aim from covert actions to negate the overwatch penalty. Also the Chosen's sword can't miss. I have seen Arc Blade stun four times in a row, I swear it must have been bugged or something. In all my time playing, using that piece of shit blade, I never stunned.

But now, not only it, but the Ionic Ripjack, constantly stunning shit. Apparently the Tempest Gauntlet's on the Templar can also stun. STUN FOR EVERYONE! Take that fucking Stunlancers.

>>186637771
I was talking about someone using a ranger with bladestorm but just having them sit in one spot and fire for multiple turns and NOT using the sword.

From what I can see, overwatch vs lost is really fucking shit waste of ammo

>>186638112
Oh, that is pretty bad. Fuck that shit. I mean, why wouldn't you get up in their face for some Bladestorm action? I also seriously love that Bladestorm is now a no questions asked take, since it's easy to get both it and Implacable. Man, this really changes how I think about my rangers. That implacable move isn't going to be for getting them into cover, it's going to be for rushing more enemies for sweet sweet Bladestorm procs.

>>186638187
I would say it really depends on how many lost and if your guys have good aim or not. Taking out a small group of 3-4 should be fine. Though it does mean spreading out your ammo economy and that means you are essentially wasting 4 actions instead of 1.

It also depends on how close the Lost are. If you are pretty sure they can't get to you, yeah, Overwatch is pretty much a waste. But if they will reach, why wouldn't you try to take a couple out? We will have to make sure of their movement ranges. Not use to dealing with so many melee units. Bladestorm going to see a lot of love in the early game when going on missions with the Lost.

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Does anyone else watch Galms WOTC stuff? How does his stuff stack up to other Streamers/Youtubers?

What exactly does combat intelligence do? Is it experience gain or action point gain?

>>186638812
It determines how many personal points that unit will gain when it levels up. Standard will gain just enough points to afford the next standard ability in their trees. While the others will get steadily more points, which means that later the soldier will be able to afford other abilities on their own, instead of dipping into the shared XCOM point pool.

XCOM points are only gathered by doing things like, killing from ambush, shooting from a flank, from height. You also get a mass of points from driving off or killing alien rulers or killing Chosen.

If I remember correctly. A savant will get double the points they normally would on level up. So it's possible for a Savant to purchase both skills on their standard tree at the same time.

>>186638812
Determines the likelihood of a solder gaining an ability point from certain actions (e.g. flank shots, presumably hacks, etc.)

>>186638709
He is so fucking irritating. And he won't get Templars.

>>186639360
I hope a successful hack gets XCOM points. That would ensure that people are taking risks on that even if the thing they get from it is pretty shitty or just completely worthless.

>>186639298
>nobody uses their XCOM points
This frustrates the autism.

>>186639958
Odd so far is. It's more just that some just aren't getting lucky with what abilities the first few ranks are getting. Or they are getting abilities that they can't capitalize on at the start. Rapid fire is nice, but if you can't move the guy into position to fire with it, then it's just a waste of 25 points that could have gone to getting another skill in someone elses tree.

There are also a lot of times where you simply don't need both skills in certain classes trees and think they can just save it. Also in the early game, you have a huge chance of some of your soldiers dying, which throws away the points on whoever it was you spent it on.

No, what really makes me mad is when they don't use the Covert Action to give someone they really want to power up, more points. 18 points, more then enough to get them some broken skill, like Guardian, or Bladestorm, or UNTOUCHABLE. Nope, better just save up my XCOM points and the points from the next rank to get what I want. Opps that person died when if they had those skills they wouldn't have.

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>>186623319

The hair. The armor/gun are kind of decent.

>>186623319
The hair, thru weren't feminine enough either. They needed to be thicc curvy women.

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>>186632329
>>Avatars just need a fancy helmet and a cape.

This.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hP9uWRq644

I'm late, but advent bless this anon, my sides are gone

>>186642084
xcom2 has multiplayer?

>>186643694
It has a versus mode, where you can make a team and try to beat someone elses team. Xcom 1 had the same.

Jesus fuck this christopherodd guy. The enemy target he has to assassinate is sitting out of cover and he doesn't do anything.

>>186642084
kek

>>186644465
And when he finally decides to attack them, he has the guys attack from the edge of their attack range instead of moving next to them and getting hit bonuses and keeps missing. Fuck this guy.

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>>186626091

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>>186645208

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>>186632329
>>186633578

Somebody on the workshop made a replacer mod that gives them hoods, it conflicts with the enhanced ragdoll mod htough

>>186646076
If you load it after the ragdoll mod it should work while keeping the ragdolls of other enemies modded still.

At least it worked that way with tiddy archons

>>186625126
Slash doesn't cause your turn to end in vanilla

>>186646504
In WotC it looks like it does though

>>186646271
What's this now? More collaboration bait? SInce when?

>>186638631
>>186638187

I think the lost and the assassin is to force players to try to use hunker down for once.

>>186646076
Wrong style of hood, I think the warden gear hood looks better on it

>>186646656
Hunker down is the only thing that makes half cover safe

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>>186646630
They're old news, really.

>>186646859
Apparently, I need to watch the news more. Forget sneks, this is clearly for more refined tastes.

>>186646504
No, I'm pretty sure it does end turn. I've had many instances of being able to target sectoids in a blue move. If I could run up and slash them in a blue move, I should be able to still shoot them. This isn't possible in vanilla.

But don't take my word for it. Have this video. You see this >I symbol. That means the move is turn ending. https://youtu.be/2cN08kGYGUY?t=20

>>186646656

I don't see how hunkering down would benefit against either of those, except in the rare case of the assassin shooting you. Hunkering down only works in cover, and you generally don't get cover from melee attacks.

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>>186646859

The Valkyrie was better

>>186646656
Hunker down wouldn't do anything. Maybe if the bug was still present where hunker gave you defense and dodge, even if something was flanking you, then sure. But they fixed that a while ago. Now if something hunkers and you flank it, it's like it doesn't have anything.

Even if it was in, it would only matter against the Lost. The Assassin can't miss.

>>186647198
But never released outside of Skittles™ ADVENT: the mod.
And also missing nipples.

>>186647376

LW2 users got it lucky with that de-rainbowifer mod

>>186646859
What mod?

>>186647506
I like the rainbow desu. Makes it really easy to see those grenadier fuckers

>>186647913

I feel like they could have made them noticeable without making them hot pink

>>186647506
What's that mod you're talking about?

>>186647913
http://www.loverslab.com/topic/64634-xcom-2-mod-index/
It's under Moomany.

Overwatch vs Lost = Waste of ammo CONFIRMED

>>186648051
something like LW2 back in black

>>186648051

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=876043724&searchtext=back+in

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>>186648140
>>186648198
Thanks a bunch.

>>186648405
is that from a DLC or mod

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1115573783

>>186648198
This is why mods are such a great thing. People who are turned off by the "intuitive" coloration can go to mods like this. I'm also fairly certain the tint variables are exposed in the inis, but not everyone knows the RGB color codes and such.

>>186648546
It's from loverslab

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>>186648405
Leg and Torso pack by Kexx. Also comes with a bunch of lewd.

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Aw fuck yeah!

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>>186649135
Wait, oh fuck no.

All those firearms.

NOOOOOOOO

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>mfw the "expansion" drops and it's shit

>>186649914
Jake can still win using this one weird trick. Click here to find out how!

>>186650376
there is no way jake can fix bore of the chosen

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>>186650937
say that to my face not online see what happens

>>186651079
do it anigay faggot

B O R E O F T H E C H O S E N
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>>186649914
>>186650937
>>186651192
You are really desperate for attention.

>>186653071
or desperate to keep the thread alive

>Commander we are receiving reports of a new alien lifeform. This one is unlike anything we've ever seen before. Take precautions and make sure you don't make physical contact with his legs.

>>186653178
No it's just boring shitposting. We haven't been desperate to keep the thread alive for months now.

>>186653229
MOOOOOOOOODS

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>>186653178
Should dump propanda or something instead, the 'bore of the chosen' stuff is getting stale

>>186653334
it was stale on arrival

>>186653229
what the fuck desu vahlen has gone too far

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Dear God

>>186653541
Lol

>>186653541
are you surprised memory dumps take up space?

>>186653618
No, I was just wondering why my computer booted up slowly this morning and that's why.

>>186653681
I sincerely doubt those influenced your boot time. If every file on my hard drive had to be loaded it'd take an eternity to boot

>>186654086
It certainly does when they are the files that max out the space left on the harddrive

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>>186648695
Speaking of Kexx, here's what he's been doing

>>186654315
that's really cool actually

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>>186654315
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>186654315
Looks awesome but That poor sectiod

>>186654315
Baby sectoids stole andromedon suits?

>>186654280
I'm not sure how that would influence boot time at all. It's mostly the CPU pulling stuff to the RAM and loading application layers.

>>186654432
More like the few old sectiods remaining got shoved into the suits because they were useless otherwise

>>186653541
100 GB of logs files in 4 months? How?

So Normal Promotion = Soldier AP while Skill events have Ap added to the pool right?

>>186629617
Wow, OG X-Com, EU and X2 has zombies too. Did you drop those as well?

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>>186654552
Mostly this type of crash

So chosen don't have autopsies?

>>186655579
how can their bodies be real when are eyes are not

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>the fuck are you looking at, earthling scum

>>186656160
>ywn happen upon a trio of ADVENT soldiers and offer to ease their tensions with sex

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>>186656160
D-don't post this

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The good ending.

>>186657274
Please, the chosen taking control of Earth is not a good ending. The elders abandoned us

>>186657119
"Hey, that guy is back and he's staring at your ass again."

>>186656160
"You want YOUR ass stomped?"

>He looks forward to snore of the chosen.

>>186657274
I like the ending where Commander becomes one of the elders desu. I don't see a lot of people getting it though, it is pretty hard to set up.

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Wakaliwood voice mod when

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEoGrbKAyKE

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>>186658760
Joey voice mod when?

Is it wrong to want a GTA style game set in a massive ADVENT megacity?

>>186653372
This, I have never seen a worse attempt at a meme

>>186659592
How about this?
>>186659038

>>186658760
fuck off

>>186659683
I was attempting to ignore the persistent shitposters for fear we might get cyclopsfag or LOSfag back.

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>>186659842
Why would you mention them by name or action?
Stop it.

Anyone have the list of Skill events for WOTC?

>>186642084
kek that was me at the end

>>186642084
>the penis is still in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ffAtk7Ia_o

hahaha holy fuck this comedy of errors

>>186668504
Give me a run down. I'm watching someone that actually knows how to play the game instead.

Favorite new enemy from the expansion?

>>186668736
Ran half of his squad forward
Reaper exploded vehicle and activated pod
Ran the rest of his squad into cover
Muton comes by and nadesplodes the trailer psyguy and specialist were hiding behind, bleeding out one and putting the other at 1 HP
After killing the muton and healing, he moves his grenadier forward into two pods and gets flanked and misses 94% shots and explodes a flamethrower advent which explodes and kills his guy

>>186668824
Hard to say. Priests seem like they will be a little bit of a bitch, with Mind control, Stasis, Sustain and Holy Warrior (mind merge)

But I think Spectre is probably my favorite as of now. It's entire purpose seems to be based around wasting your overwatch shots since they all have Lightning Reflexes. Shadowbind takes one of your soldiers out of the fight. And they can conceal themselves, so it's easy to forget they are even in the fight. Suddenly the thing just appears behind you and your careful overwatch is used up and one of your guys are down. But even if you do remember they are in the fight, can you really afford the time in trying to flank it for a reveal and trying to kill it? It also behaves and sounds like a machine, it can't be poisoned, it can't burn. But it doesn't take increased damage from Bluescreen, or Gremlins.

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Why the fuck do all my soldiers burn to death just by touching a candle? Did they never fucking learn stop drop and roll as a child?

>>186668928
>>186668736
Only reason he walked away with any troops at all is because enemies prioritized shooting civvies over his guys, and for some reason the flamethrower advent guy did 0 damage twice in a row with flamethrower

>>186668928
Let me guess, he complained and call it shit because "How was I suppose to know?"

>>186669054
I'm so fucking glad they added being able to extinguish yourself by Hunkering. Setting yourself on fire with plasma weapons causing a fire on your half cover was such bullshit.

Why the fuck is EVERYTHING in xcom 2 tied to a timer? It's like they want me to fucking speedrun the game from the get go. They even put a fucking literal doomsday counter on the main map ffs.

>>186669469
git gud

>>186669641
(You)

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>>186669469
EVER VIGILANT

>>186669469
1. Don't worry about the Doomsday Timer, you get lots of opportunities to shut it up if you aren't a complete retard.

2. Timers aren't that big a deal, most missions you will get out with 5 turns to spare if you aren't playing like a complete bitch. Don't overwatch crawl, learn to take chances and make mistakes.

If that's still not enough for you, wait for the expansion, where not every other mission will have a timer and you will be able to take your time for once. Along with a bunch of bonuses which will do things like increase timers by two turns. Or make it so that the timer doesn't start until you reveal yourself.

Still not enough? Still hate Doomsday clock and just want to take it nice and slow? Advanced option for doubling all timers. If that isn't enough, I don't know what to tell you man, guess the game isn't for you.

>>186669860
I just don't understand why the timers are now MISSION CRITICAL. It felt perfect in EW, where if you missed the timer you missed out on extra resources, and didn't fucking fail the mission outright.

>>186670040
Because they don't want you to move 1 square, overwatch, repeat ad naseum like beagle

>>186669860
>Don't overwatch crawl, learn to take chances and make mistakes.
XCOM 2 does not offer the player (m)any tools to manage and minimize risk during the portion of the game (first 1/4) where the difficulty is highest. After that point, the tools offered basically eliminate risk. This, combined with the Alpha Strike design, makes for a game that can barely be called "tactical" as there really isn't that much decision making to be had. Hopefully WOTC fixes this somewhat, but RNG stealth (Reapers) and RNG research (breakthrough and inspirations) makes me think they are going in the exact opposite direction.

>>186670183
Then that would've been perfectly punished by losing essential resources like with meld. Seriously, I don't understand the change.

>>186670183
When this is the only tool the game gives you to minimize risk, the solution isn't to prevent this strategy, but offer players more interactive ways to manage the risk.

You might as well say that grenades should not deal guaranteed damage, because it's "cheap and boring" as well.

>>186670253
Beaglump

>>186670243
>I don't understand the change
Firaxis are 12 IQ dumb dumb bubble gum brain retards, I told you this yesterday.

>>186670319
This is my first time getting back into Xcom since playing EW. I'm basically 2-3 years out of date on information and everything.

>>186670243
Because losing meld wasn't punishing enough. It was easy to grab meld if you got a lucky map generations. Getting one meld canister every two missions was seen as fine and it only got easier to get meld as the campaign went on. So they wanted you to HAVE to move, even when it would put you in a bad position, because those are the most entertaining for most people.

If you don't like it, don't play the game.

>>186670889
>If you don't like it, mod the game.
ftfy

>>186670889
So the solution to that is not to make missing meld more punishing, but just make it a mission fail instead?

I'm not seeing how this isn't an incredibly blunt, unimaginative change to a supposed "problem".

>>186670889
>If you don't think the exact same way I do you shouldn't play the game

Get bent you holier than thou prick.

>>186670991
It's basically punishment for players who like to think in order to make the game as "fun" as it is for people who don't like to think.

Basically, they took the Reddit meme of what XCOM is and tried to force everyone's XCOM experience to be like that.

>>186670991
Because the whole point of meld was to make you play dangerously. It was meant to lead to a possible mission failure. They decided to cut out the middle man. It's unimaginative because that was their intention. You read the situation wrong.

So instead of making delicious candy, which only expedited the inverse difficulty curve. They got rid of it and replaced it with a big FUCK YOU.

You aren't meant to look at the timers and think "why can't I just be punished differently". It's suppose to make you lose.

>>186671097
>I want to tell the devs how the game should be

You don't like how the game plays. That's all there is too it. If you think there could be a better way, then find someone making that kind of game and offer suggestions. Throwing around that the devs are stupid for doing something isn't doing anyone any favors. It's just useless whining, that won't change the way the game is.

>>186671292
>They got rid of it and replaced it with a big FUCK YOU.
Yes, and I am saying that is stupid and unimaginative. Are you so far up Firaxis' ass you can't accept any criticism of the devs decision or something?

>It's just useless whining, that won't change the way the game is.
Oh ok, you don't seem to understand generals as a concept.

>>186671292
>Throwing around that the devs are stupid for doing something isn't doing anyone any favors. It's just useless whining, that won't change the way the game is.
Is this your first day on /vg/?

>>186656160
>they dont just shoot the civs ass during wartime and AFTER the "terminate all their asses" order has been given
>afterwards the civ just takes their gun and dont instantly die due to them being genelocked-boobytrapped

That ending was all a dream, commanders avatar has been captured and you are playing XCOM 2 now in the simulations instead of XCOM EU as a punsihmnet, bradford is being forcefed avent-burgers while tygan is forced to watch and not get any.

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>>186671725
>sneks forcefeed bradford burgers while tygan looks on

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>>186597882

>girlfriend just broke up with me
>found her in the character pool

dubs decides what happens to her.

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>>186672106
Who lives? Who dies? It's a trick. A shadow on the wall.

>>186672106
Did you really make your girlfriend in Xcom?
At least you had one... ;_;

>>186672106
switch her to dark VIP

>>186672106
Delete her.
IRL, of course.

>>186672106

RAWLIN'

>>186672106
I don't think /vg/ has dubs.

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So I want to buy the XCOM 2, because it's pretty cheap on sale. I played mostly the older X-COMs, Apocalypse being the best game in the entire series, but I also played XCOM and thought it was quite alright.

Now I read XCOM 2 is basically improvement over first game in every respect, but I also read most of the missions are time-based with hard-failstates.

I hate that, a lot. I'm a perfectionist when it comes to turn-based games, I want to min max every turn, executing precise grand plans at slow and deliberate pace, preparing for a multi-prong maneuvers. So having a damocles-sword of a timer hanging above my neck is not what I enjoy.

I know times can be removed with mods, but I also think that kinda affects the game design too much, I guess? How intrinsic are the timers and failure states (I believe you can lose your entire team at once) to the feel and progression of the game?

Also I heard performance was shit at launch, did the patched it? I know the upcoming DLC fixes it, but I'm gonna wait for sell for it, If I was to buy the game.

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>>186673102
Mission timers are a meme. Unless you're a really bad player, they are there to urge you to play tighter, not actually make you lose.

>>186645208
>96%
Might as well be 1%, famas.

>>186673102
Split the difference and use a mod that only starts the timer when you get spotted.

Or just dump the timers, the constant stream of reinforcements is enough incentive to keep moving in most cases without going full hurrdurr. The timers are there to prevent overwatch creeping, if you don't play like that anyway, there's no need for the timers.

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Fuck this shitty game.

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>>186675050
promptly renamed right after getting back to base

>>186674121
my main problem with it is, that it defeats one of its main reasons for existing:

If you play flawless, yes they are a non-issue, but that gets boring pretty quick.

If something goes awry (which it tries to steer you into due to forcing dashes in most cases cases), you either deal with it right there and then with one of the many (mostly lategame) freemoves, isntakills, mindcontrols, and other shit, which again, gets boring rather quick; or you flat out lose becasue the timer doesnt allow you to even fall back, let alone commit more than 2 turns to a fight.

So fight boil down to: you wipe them on reveal, or ignore/disable them and rush to the extraction.

Note, im not saying move-one tile, overwatch is fun and the epitome of gameplay, but for fucks sake, give us something in between.

With changes like keeping the fire-on-reveal on niggas in then open THEN GET IN COVER TOO should be kept all throughout not just from concealment, tweak numbers so 1hitKOs (form either side) is rare and trading fire should be an affordable alternative (wihtout going to sickbay for months), more ways to deal deliberating effects rather than just flat-out disabling them... Would greatly improve the actuials engagements qualities.

>>186675454
yes but that's all more complicated than implementing a big dumb stick mechanic, so firaxis wont do it.

>>186675050
Watch this
https://youtu.be/rOI11iDbGoI?t=7m29s

>>186675507
well then don't dish niggas wont just lay down and take it, and just mod that shit out

So are the Chosen working with the Etherials or are the greater evil they were warning about?

>>186643694
>decide to play some xcom 2 mp because at the moment it's the only way to play as ayylmao
>that fucking desync

never again