/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

>>186193041
Fuck cultists.

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Instead of a spider, I give you this.
If you remember a dream in which you felt like you were choking, you are probably infected.

>>186193112
Use 4chanX, click on the arrow, click on "Copy Text", and just update the "previous thread".

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>>186193041
http://marsh.speedrunwiki.com/Text/alltomorrows.pdf
reminder that Stellaris has the potential to become this

>>186193239
>click on the arrow, click on "Copy Text", and just update the "previous thread".
Oh my, i missed that.
Thanks spiderbro.

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>>186193606
No problem. But call me Spiderman.

>>186193431
That book manages to be even worse than Warhammer 40 000.

>spiderposter names himself after a public menace
I KNEW IT

>>186193431
>ywn get to play as AM and torture species by turning them into sentient goop for all time

>>186193431
I liked how the only descendants of 'pure' humans ended up fixing everything. Shame everyone died in the end.

>>186194042
Calm down Jameson.

The Shroud is strong in my family, my father had it, I have it, my sister has it. You have that power too

>>186197795
Please don't fuck your sister.

>>186198079
>not creating a incest eugenics program where you reach the point that all of your children are practically clones

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

It was said that you would purge the Purifiers not join them. Bring balance to the Shroud not leave it in darkness.

>>186198079
Are daughters and nieces fine? The redhead wife is probably dead.

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>tfw the Vaulters were just trying to find videogames

>>186198532
Do you know what "inbred" means? To have a decent population, you need at least 200 people.

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>win a war
>defensive pact spam begins
If I was genociding these cunts in a war of aggression I'd understand but this dipshit declared war on me and I'm not even eating his people just kicking them out

That feel when Wiz did not want ground combat but some Swede shoved it in.

Is this why ground combat in Stellaris is so shit? The devs threw in a half-baked idea and they are more concerned with fixing other parts of the game before they fix ground combat.

>>186198912
Is this inherently a problem, or could it be overcome by gene editing?

>>186199108
You could just edit out the faulty genes

>>186199037
You would appear to be the top dog, therefore it is in the ai best interest to protect themselves. Additionally, aren't there more than one interlocking agreements?, that's how the handful of games I play work.

>>186199098
At least Stellaris has varied units, so it's a bit fun. Otherwise, it's a setback compared to EUIV.

>>186199108
Gene editing would be no different from having a person of unpure blood joining the eugenic program.
You need a massive pool of pure individuals. Think Bene Gesserit.

And while I'm spouting out references, why can't I force a lottery on slave population?

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>>186199098
all the space 4xs have shitty numerical blob combat.if you know one that has good combat beyond "blob of guys +modifiers for tech crash into each other", please tell me.
I've played all of these things starting with MoO and they all have super simple ground combat.

>>186199238
You can set it up like EUIV where you have a map which requires you to maneuver and take ground however that adds micro.

Things would be 100% improved if the current system was kept automated but the final outcome can be influenced by leader traits, buffed fortifications, vet bonus and research for both defensive and offensive units.

The possibility of ships going down due to planetary weapons would be a nice addition too.

>>186199219
Oh damn right I'm the top dog right now, but only just, the screenshot doesn't show it but there's about 3 other empires just out of shot that are only marginally smaller and weaker than me. I just find it dumb that your threat skyrockets when you win a defensive war and decisively end (without genociding) the threat to your people that was the aggressor. The only message that should send to the AI is "do not fuck with this nation" not "this nation is going to kill us all, better team up against them"

There is a person or two here who wants Aurigans in ES2 - well, you can make a mod with them, just use UN ships with all the art from EL, add traits, heroes and other stuff. EL and now ES2 have quite good mod support (el better though), it's just amplitude games are not popular amongst modders (or just good enough to have just minor tweaks mods).

>>186199630
You're hoping too much.

>>186199562
>all the space 4xs have shitty numerical blob combat
Except Distant Worlds, Sins of Solar Empire, Star Ruler (the first one, through Star Ruler 2 features more strategy due to blobs being specialized).

>>186200441
And Swords of the Stars.

>>186201645
>SotS
>Not blob wars 2 : Rail guns boogaloo

We Auriga now?

>>186199562
Lay it on me anon, how would you design combat in a space 4x? Making it anything but blob combat is difficult owing to the fact that space is a rather boring battlefield by virtue of it being, quite literally, almost completely featureless. Which is why it's called space.

>>186205317
We're dead, yes.

>>186205317
We are many things, we have been many things ...

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>>186206030
WHAT WAS SHALL BE WHAT SHALL BE WAS

>>186207396
>inb4 blackholephobia anon get triggered

>>186207396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaJHFxCYUjI

>>186208139
That guy was hilarious.

I was scared of astronomical bodies too once, there was some comet or other but I was convinced it was going to kill us all.
But I had the excuse that I was 4 years old and not trying to play a space vidya.

Although what annoyed me.mostabout the whole episode was all the Paraducks armchair-psychologising him and demanding that he go to therapy immediatly. He asked for modding help, not Sigmund fucking Freud.

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>>186208904
You seem upset, anon. Tell me about your mother

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>play for 2 hours
>complete about 10 turns due to army size
>can't bear to use auto resolve
>must make roving klansmen pay
>who cares about leaving Auriga, I'm now driven by revenge

>the cultist thread is about to end before hitting 40 posts

>>186212218
Good. The only good threads are the spider threads.

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Nice bait you made in this pic. It even made it to /pol/

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>>186213094
Are you thinking of slandering glorious Zelevas threads?

>>186213649
Art style really went through the roof between ES1 and 2.

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>>186213649
I don't know. Are zelevas tasty?

For some reason I just can't get into ES2 like I can Endless Legend. I am pretty sure I understand it, it just feels like a slog. Anyone else feel like this? I really wanna love the shit out of it.

>>186214306
You could wait for the expansions.

>>186214306
I never liked EL or ES1 but really enjoy ES2.

>>186214358
That's fair. I came into Endless Legend after all the expansions, so it makes sense vanilla ES2 would be underwhelming.

That said, though, I never really wait it out and get to late-game ES2. I never really felt threatened, but that'll probably change once the AI has battleships and shit.

Enslaving the xenos to faithfully serve their human masters is the best playthrough

Enslaving the humans to faithfully serve their spiritual masters is the best playthrough

>>186213285
It would be more accurate if it said
Nazis: let's genocide non-whites
Antifa: let's genocide non-leftists
BLM: let's genocide cops

>>186213285
pretty accurate image desu

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Sea monsters? How quaint. Sink back to those depths and let me show you how it's done.

>>186218306
Except maybe not, because Tempest is trash and all these water traits don't affect your start position at all. Of course not. Why would they, even if that's how it works for literally all other traits?

>>186219716
>Tempest is trash
Amen.

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>>186218306
Morgawr are just too deep for you.

>page 10
Ded.

>page 10
Ded again.

Someone start complaining about Civ6, Stellaris, Wiz or anything to keep that thread alive.

Last thread people said sectors were created for competitive MP. Is that true? I thought sectors were just a poorly-executed vassal/faction mechanic.

>>186227407
If leaders had their own agenda, yeah. But sectors lack the autonomy and culture mechanisms from EUIV, and feel forced into the gameplay.
Official explanation is "fuck you faggots, lol". Just kidding.
The real reason given is that it's to avoid micromanaging every planet. Since Stellaris is in real-time, unlike, I dunno, Endless Space, and since Paradox is, for some obscure reason, attached to micromanaging tiles and buildings (because it makes sense to have a mine taking half a continent) instead of following Distant Worlds' idea of leaving planets to their own devices, they introduced sectors to allow the player to control a lot of planets indirectly in exchange for a small loss of income.
Except that the AI is as retarded as DarkSydephil.

A lot of these Religious laws seem tailor-made for the Vodyani

>>186227694
the thing is in practice it's not "control indirectly" but "be unable to control at all"
the AI is completely retarded and there is pretty much no way to meaningfully influence it
how is it so hard to create an AI that actually fucking builds buildings instead of just hoarding resources

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>stellaris mod adds in religions
>no terran monothiesm option or anything similar
I just wanna deus vult across the galaxy

>>186230214
I'm pretty sure the Stellaris AI doesn't understand how to use global food, or unity, or traditions, or ascension perks.

>>186230652
I don't have any proof, but I'm sure that AI in general doesn't follow the same rules than the player do.

>>186230843
I know for a fact that AI empires are gifted minerals if they are running a deficit.

>>186231247
I can't speak for Stellaris, but I know many games where the AI cheats. BfME2, Empire Earth, Endless Space (through you cheat as well if you play on anything lower than easy mode)...

>>186230630
there's no religious mods for stellaris on workshop dude

>>186228047
>A lot of these Religious laws seem tailor-made for the Vodyani
They are, Vodyani got new religious law replacements in a recent patch. The "only main species can grow" law gives any other faction +5 Dust per pop, while Vodyani get Essence instead. The last tier religious law for normal factions makes pacifist conversion easier to do yourself but it's completely useless for Vodyani since they can't do pacifist conversion, so instead they now get Essence from enemy systems under their influence sphere and makes their own arks unconvertable if under someone else's influence sphere.

Horatio also got two new Horatio-exclusive Ecologist law replacements because the versions for normal factions encourage species diversity which is the anti-thesis of Horatio, who instead now get bonuses to all systems per spliced species.

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Non-figuratively impossible.

>>186231707
Stellaris+ adds them dude

>>186232006
I miss Stronghold. I should never have sold it.

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Stellaris only has military victory conditions (well federation too but still it's a conquest type). Leads me to wondering how an "economic" victory is supposed to work in other games. Just piling up the biggest pile of goal shouldn't really affect other empires that don't trade with that empire. Even in alpha centauri economic victory didn't make sense because because of how little trade affected economies. Might make more sense if cities/planets were more "multicultural" where it would be affected by multiple cultures and economic factors, like a 10 pop city would have 3 morgans, 2 gaia, 4 un, and a spartan pop which would be normally controlled by those 4 factions, while a city with 9 morgans and 1 un would be a morgan city.

Have there ever been a 4x game where different civs shared control of a city/planet?

>>186232758
>Have there ever been a 4x game where different civs shared control of a city/planet?
There's Aurora. One Anon described his game where three different civilizations started on Earth.
Otherwise, Distant Worlds allows pirates and natives to coexist in buttrape and the occasional pillage, with the pirate fortress being hidden.

>>186230652
the AI isn't actually all that awful all things considered, it just ignores large segments of the game

>>186231580
>Empire Earth
That game didn't even try and pretend the AI wasn't a cheating motherfucker.

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>>186233765
>the AI isn't actually all that awful all things considered, it just ignores large segments of the game

>>186232758
if there is a universal currency it only makes sense that an empire with a massively dominating economy would be the clear winner

>>186234079
It makes any game post WWII unbeatable : the AI will just spam nuclear bomber. And since it didn't have any real economy, harassing it was almost useless, and prophets, the funnier unit in a RTS, ended up being shit.

>>186234163
by that I mean it actually works fairly well in practice, too bad it does so through cheating
the exception to this is sector AI, because ignoring infrastructure sucks for the player

>>186234452
Ha, okay. I thought you meant strategy AI in general.
I wonder if the retarded AI is a Warhammer 40 000 joke.

>page 10 again
... seriously? Fuck that, I'm going to bed.

>>186193239
No its a small hairy creature called karabasan who causes that by sitting on your chest.

>>186239454
You gave your cat a very strange name.

How do I get good at ES2? Nothing I do seems to work

>>186239549
I have a cat?

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Have any of yall heard of Lost Technology it's a Japanese 4x that was a free game in Japan but recently released on Steram and it's only 3 bucks.

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>>186218306
What difficulty is best for first time players in Endless Legend?

>>186239597
Expand more.

>>186240756
Normal.

>>186241117
Even at the cost of expansion penalties?

>>186241205
There are various ways of mitigating that from building approval boosting system improvements to certain techs and what luxury resources you use to increase system levels.

In an of itself though, it isn't all that much if you go a little over. Most of the unhappiness in a system will come from the system itself.

>>186232758
Stellaris should enable an economic conquest type by letting you buy and sell planets. It's still technically a conquest victory, but you're buying you're way to victory.

That would also repair the fluff for the "ruthless capitalist" AI type.

One species with Industrious and Very Strong, with the Slave Guilds and Mining Guilds civics with the plan to get Secret Police later, or two species with Industrious and Thrifty, with Syncretic Evolution and Slave Guilds, with the plan to get Mining Guilds later?

>>186242270
>buy and sell planets
Unfortunately the real reason you can't buy planets in Stellaris is that Stellaris diplo is copy-pasted from EUIV, and in EUIV buying clay is highly exploitable since the AI is a dipshit.
Rather than take the time and effort to fix it in both games Wiz decided to just disable it.

>>186227407
If you read the old dev diaries and think about the mechanics, it's obvious that sectors were designed around the ability to rebel.
This is why you are hassled with alerts to give them an internally self-sufficient economy, and the AI desperately tries to achieve it when left to its own devices - otherwise you could short-circuit their rebellions by not having them produce any energy.
This is why they're required to be territorially contiguous - otherwise you could short-circuit their rebellions by having them as scattered, isolated planets that would never be viable if they successfully seceeded.

But I think Paradox were too lazy to get it working in time for v.1.0 release, and then at some point Wiz decided "multiplayer balance is king" and that losing 1/3 of your territory in one fell swoop would disrupt the balance too much, so rebellions got changed to being isolated planet unrest in 1.5

How do I reactivate the tutorial robot?

>>186243831
>minmaxing your species in Stellaris
>needing advice to minmax your species in Stellaris
It's a roleplaying game.

>>186244746
I'm just asking, dude.

>>186244710
Settings?

>>186242270
I could see an economic conquest by buying "rights" to a planet, where both sides gain from the planet's production, like 110% production for the empire owning the planet and 10% production for the empire which bought the rights to it. Handwaved as benefits of free trade and economic efficiencies from specialization or setting up a rothschild central bank or something. Closing borders automatically ends the relationship (foreign companies get nationalized). An empire which owns the rights of 60% of the galaxy wins an economic victory.

>>186244746
>roleplaying game
>can't pick any white humans
woooow

>>186243831
One species, use authoritarian xenophobe, get caste system to maximise farm & mine output with slave & mining guilds.

Don't pick Industrious & Very Strong though. Pick Extremely Adaptive & Strong.

For ascensions, unlock the first in Expansion then Supremacy for +1 pop on colonisation then +20% border range.

Finish expansion & pick Master of Nature (fuck tile blockers), then go back to finishing Supremacy & pick border range ascension.

Prosperity would be the 3rd pick. If you play by "the rules" of core planets, then maybe choose Imperial Prerogative as the 3rd ascension, although if you're a smart player you should just be building up the planets to the basic level 1 structures (with the capital upgraded, and the slave/mineral processing, energy nexus and if it's a science planet choosing the science upgrade) then dumping into into a giant sector with everything unticked (all it will do is upgrade buildings, and maybe build some defensive armies)

Picking Flesh Is Weak and getting the Cybernetic trait is very good.

Blob fucking hard. Put mines & farms on the low habitability large planets because you're enslaving them and thus happiness is irrelevant, use good planets for research & energy.

>>186250281
>Using low habitability planets as gigantic slave-camps because happiness doesn't matter to slave.

FUCKING GENIUS.

You recommend Xenophobe, though? Why's that -- just for the border range?

>>186250281
Why Xenophobe instead of, say, Spiritualist or Militarist?

For purging?

>>186254451
>>186253851
Spiritualist has shit bonuses especially for a slave using empire. Yay, I get reduced unrest even though I can eliminate it completely with a dozen defensive armies. If you're going psionic but I wouldn't use this nation setup to do that in the first place because you can't go full psionic until the 4th ascension pick and blobbing is not conducive to ascensions.

Going fanatic Xenophobe is for border range. You will end up with a +90% border range.

There's an early tech that gives +20% Border Range
Fanatic Xenophobe is +30%
Intestellar Dominion is +25%
Supremacy First Pick is +20%

Playing as an expansionist blob, this setup is unrivalled. You'll envelop opposing empires outposts & frontier planets and steal "their" resources out from under them, be able to quickly convert conquered planets to slaves by rebuilding the new planets to farms or mines, or use whatever flavour of purge you prefer if you want to get rid of a certain alien type.

You can definitely go non-fanatic with a triple ethos pick of Xenophobe/Authoritarian/Militarist. When you unlock the 3rd Civic you could add the National Zeal choice that gives +10% border range. That would end up with a 5% smaller border range, in exchange for +10% fire rate, reduced war demand costs & full orbital bombardment. That's very much an either/or situation, both choice are good.

Concentrate tech choices on resource building upgrades whenever they show up, don't neglect science debris pickups to ensure you stay up to date with opposing empires fleets, try to keep from starting wars that will result in multiple defensive pacts or creating an opposing huge federation, until you've grown far beyond your neighbours pitifully small empires that you become unstoppable and can annex them almost at will.

>>186234079
Oh god, that game. Literally THE worst pathing ever made.

>>186257418
I haven't played that game, explain please.

>>186256769
This is an excellent explanation, thank you.

What negative traits would you recommend taking to afford Very Adaptive and Strong?

>>186209373
>can't bear to use auto resolve
What
ffs im getting fucking tired of you retarded autists, please have i genuine good fucking reason for using anything besides auto-resolve.

>>186257568
Units can't turn on a dime. If you tell a unit to go somewhere behind him, he'll half to move forawrd a little bit and make a U-turn. Not a big one at all, mind you, but enough that if you're telling a group of units to turn around, they're going to be bumping in to eachother all the time. The pathing engine has NO idea how to handle this, either, so all bets are off when the bumper carts start.
Picture two tanks sitting next to eachother. Now picture them both turning toward eachother and coliding head-on, vibrating in place, backing up in sync and dirving straight forward to colid again, doing that a few times, then eventually pressing against eachother and sloooooooooooooowly physicing around until they're facing the right way, then bumping into eachother and cutting eachother off every step of the trip.
Got it? Now picture 40-50 tanks, and a bunch of infantry and support units, all in one group and weep.

>>186257773
sedentary
slow learners

Last pick is harder.

Probably deviants since you're playing authoritarian slavers.

Repugnant can work but can result in a boring as fuck "it's another half the galaxy joins a giant federation against you" episode.

>>186258921
Do you know of any good videos to watch this clusterfuck? I have to see this.

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HALP

>>186256769

Ive been posting this kind of thing since last thread. Its fucking broken and OP. Although it loses for Hive Minds in terms of passive expansion and also against fanatic purifiers on a war at the very start, but thats it.

>>186260614
Rome fell in a day.

>>186260342
God, I wish.

>>186260614
JUST BUILD MORE UNITS BRAH

>>186260614
How did this even happen?

>>186260614
WELCOME TO CIVILIZATIONS 6

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>>186260614
>Raids your lands with 0 movement points

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>>186193041
does that ambient noise from stellaris ever go away? I hear it even when I'm not playing

>>186268510
Don't hate the Worm.

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>>186193041
>Created 17 hours 25 minutes ago
>121 Replies, 45 Unique Posters
/4xg/ is dead, bury it

>>186268510
thats just tinnitis man

>>186273625
just cant survive when the yanks are asleep

>>186273625
wow I never knew how few people actually post here

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>>186232282

thinking of getting EL2
how fucked is the AI in this game?

>>186276993
What does the Deluxe version add? Only played the vanilla one and Crusader. And I was really surprised when the demo for Crusader promised to let you fight Philippe-Auguste and Frederick, and the game turned out to not have them.

>>186277280
AI is so good that difficulty make you cheat.

>>186273625
you don't know shit about dead

>>186277320
According to the box (translated from Dutch) it offers:
"Not just the 21-mission campaign, but also new extended maps for sieges, invasions and economic missions.

I do believe it also adds 1 new created map for free building. Oh, and it includes Patch 1.2

>>186277545
If it's just maps, it's not interesting. I'm interested in the patch, however. I never patched any of these old games, I wonder what it adds. Does it make the sarracen swordsmen actually not shit?

>>186277280
Greetings time traveller.
Please tell me the industry gets better in the coming years.

>>186277902
actually its not that bad
Blizzard actually relea

Ha. He created a time paradox and erased himself. Nice going, Doctor.

>>186277638
I doesn't do anything major like fixing broken units (and wolves still climb ladders/stairs). As far as I can see it only fixes some crashes, so you'd be better off buying the HD version on Steam in all fairness.

Also, the sound in the main menu if way fucking louder in this version than it is on the HD steam version. Like, your ears will hurt the first time you launch it because you have to go through the menu to turn it down.

>>186278183
Never had any crashes, be it on Stronghold or Crusader. Also, is that really a bug that wolves can climb stairs? Ladders, I can understand, but stairs?

>>186278246
Maybe not a bug, I'll admit, but an annoyance for sure. Then again, using a knife to tear down a wall wasn't exactly what I expected either.

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It's happening.

>>186279221
Yeah, that part was annoying. I heard someone saying they got rid of it in the second game and that only war machines can damage walls.

>>186259568
Slow Learners? Really?

>>186279623
Yeah, I think slow learners is a bad pick - mostly because it makes it really hard to complete good anomaly projects or precursor quests early game, when the rewards actually make a difference.

where can i download civ 5

inb4 cucks

>>186283124
We know you're a cuck, why do you need to bring it up?

>>186283205
what sort of person bothers replying like this

>>186260614
Do barbarians still pop out a unit every turn even on marathon speed?

>>186283318
What sort of cuck is too poor to buy a 3+ years old game?

>>186284014
>paying $80usd for a video game

>>186284569
>implying it's just a video game
>and that awful cringe-inducing grammar
Let me guess, you're a kid who doesn't know what an expansion is.

>>186284569
>£32.50
>$80
Did the dollar collapse overnight or something?

>>186284569
>saying dollars twice
Are you dumb?

>>186285413
He might be a leaf

>>186285748
>usd

>>186285994
leafs don't have currency

>>186285748
Leaves aren't retarded. My guess is that he's a taco that crossed the border before our Lord and Saviour built the wall. Noticed how horrible his English was?

>>186284694
>>186285413
>>186285687
didnt mean to upset redditors boyos

i will buy the game when on sale just wanted to play it first

>>186286160
Then you should already know where to get torrents

>>186286578
His mom probably locked google, so he can't look for the yarrbay himself.

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Dead.

>>186287393
FUCK OFF with that horatio sauce. It was never funny.

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>>186287508

>>186287557
This will be my legacy on /civ4xg/. Not the numerous time where I saved the thread from extinction, raids, shitposting and alien invasions (some of these may be exagerrated for drama purpose), but that one slip of the tongue with that fucking sauce.

>>186287667
I think every single anon that frequents the thread has saved it from extinction at least once.

This madman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZhrNE7GEqg

>>186287768
Your opinion is not relevant.
My hubris says I saved that general single-handledly by myself, therefore it's the truth.

>>186287814
Hyrule Total War was updated? Or is it something completely different? Is that a mod? TELL ME MORE DAMMIT

>>186287823
This is why we need the eternal end.

>>186287912
The guy who made the Hyrule:Total War mod for Medieval 2 TW is porting it to the Pyrogenesis engine (the one for the 0 A.D. game)

>>186288020
I don't know what 0AD is but I am getting aroused. It looks like Empire Earth.

>>186287823
Thank you for your service, Horatio.

>>186288108
Call me Spiderman, not Horatio!

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>>186288107
Its a free, open-source, historical Real Time Strategy game
https://play0ad.com/game-info/project-overview/

>>186288191
can you genesplice out autism

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>>186288191
Spiderbros unite

>>186288219
That really, really reminds me of Empire Earth. With the graphism taking after Age of Mythology.

>>186288240
If I did, you wouldn't be here.

>>186288317
>you wouldn't be here.
yes I'm asking you to save me ;_;

>>186288627
I'm not a god (and I regret it).

>>186287814
>>186288219
That looks really cool, but I have a dumb question.
Does that game feature charge mechanism?

>>186288219
There's there a similar game (as in being a free RTS) but more based on Total Annihilation?

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>>186288240
you can genesplice it in, at least

>>186286127
Somebody started a rumor that canada was accepting migrants so hundreds of thousands of illegals jumped the border recently. They even started using the montreal stadium as a refugee camp because there's so many of them.

>>186286118
Loonies are the currency of the future.

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>>186287814
REV UP THOSE CEASE AND DESISTS

>>186292296
Just like Chapter Master.

I forever cry.

>>186279623
>>186279925
Yup. It's my second dump stat. It has minimal impact to your empire. It doesn't:
* Fuck up your breeding growth.
* Reduce your happiness.
* Require slaves on non-slaving planets to keep people happy in a different way to the above.
* Kill your leaders early.
* Reduce your diplomacy opinion with other empires.
* Increase consumer goods cost.

It has a minimal, passive reduction that never really amounts to much in the grand scheme of things. There's also the mid-game Selected Lineages technology that can cancel out the trait.

>>186289020
I think yes

>>186289698
Spring RTS
https://springrts.com/wiki/Media

>>186292296
Probably wont happen since he already did a mod for Medieval 2 TW for years before that

>>186292843
I don't think building one farm/mining station on a non slave planet to keep people happy is really that much of a burden, I'd rather do that than take the experience hit.

Also are 100% specialist planets even optimal? I've never seen anyone try to calculate this, but it doesn't seem like they would be when you have to ignore so many tile bonuses.

>>186288191
Horatio Sauce
thats your legacy
Horatio Sauce
HORATIO SAUCE
spiders are fags not bros btw

>>186294641
They're not optimal when you only have basic buildings unless the planet has a good modifier, great if you're in a position to exploit a modifier or upgrade infrastructure, then fall off again once repeatables overshadow the unique planetary modifiers (which is probably beyond the point most people play).

>>186295589
FUCK
OFF

>>186288219
>The sum of all resources on the map is limited. These resources can be gathered in several ways:
[PANIC]

>>186295659
HoratioSauce

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>>186295659

>>186296709
>>186296738
That Xenomorph reject Horatio must BURN.

>>186296808
Do you think the back of his head opens like a xenomorph egg does?

>>186296848
The horatio is clearly a drone. Just compare the skull's form between Kane's Son's head and Horatio's.

>>186296808
>dat first Horatio Sauce of the day
>>186296848
it's a gland to produce Horatio Sauce of course. He needs it milked every day.

>>186297070
I want to burn Horatio until only ashes remain.

>>186297919
that's how premium sauce is made

>>186297919
Well great, now I'm going to do a Horatio playthru, haven't tried him yet.
What's the best way to cultivate the best sauce ? I only won with the Lumeris and Cravers before.

>disband entire fleet to rebuild with fleet academy bonuses
>neighboring AI instantly smells blood as I no longer have a navy and declares war on me
>by the time his first ships arrive 10 spaceports just finished a battleships each
>relative fleet strength goes from overwhelming in his favor to him being ranked as pathetic next to me
>another 10 battleships and 60 cruisers are being on the way
Man imagine being that empires intel guys and the shit they're about to catch when their superiors ask them how the fuck they missed that their opponents could build an entire new, superior, fleet from scratch in a year

r8 my xenophile biological ascension candidates.

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>>186299028

Who wants habitable gas giants and molten worlds?

They are such hostile places that it's fascinating to imagine just what kind of lifeforms could live and thrive on these worlds and not anywhere else.

Also Mustafar. Mustafar is cool.

>>186299551
Me.

I wish you had genuinely diverse species options, rather than assuming that all life must live under Earthlike conditions.

If you could play as a Dathnak like species which had a different style of play, that would be amazing. Or the ability to play as nomads, or pirates, sentient fucking astroid worms, anything would be cool.

>>186299551
>habitable gas giants
Reminds me of the Ethereans from MoO3. They lived in those and they were probably my favorite race in that game, had great ship aesthetics and gas giants were fucking HUGE for fitting more population on them while also being super rich in minerals. That the two Etherean races were also great at food production meant they had a tendency for their population to explode and snowball super hard. Man MoO3 was a terrible game in a lot of respects but the tech progression and faction aesthetics were top notch, shame everything else sucked.

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but what does Horatio Sauce go with

>>186301058
(You)

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>>186301058
Anything beautiful

>>186300242
>Pirate
Another thing that needs fixing.

I don't see Civilian cargo ships flying around so begs the question what are the pirates for? I'd also make them behave like a combination of the pirates SoASE and Distant Worlds. You can hire them to attack other Empires (with penalties should they find out) or they can also act a inter-galactic mafia for weaker races forcing you to pay a 'protection fee' and possibly introducing all kinds of ills into your society like enslaving your pops and shipping them elsewhere or getting your leaders addicted to drugs.

>different style of play
Based on what I've read of Star Ruler 2, they did have that level of diversity for their races. It still wasn't enough to save the game from obscurity though and I think the studio has shut down after much tinfoil hatting about how gaming media deliberately gave more attention to PDX then they did their small guy studio.

>>186302653
>Star Ruler 2
My only memory of that game is of using fling FTL to collect a bunch of planets in one system in some massive web of resources, and then throwing them all halfway across the map when someone declared war.

>>186279225
>that leader

The modder obsession with Hitler is hilarious.

>>186301058
Krogan cock.

>>186304840
As far as I know, fling beacon is the most original FTL method. I haven't been able to find an equivalent in any other media.

Can it be mod into Stellaris?

>>186302653
The only studio I've seen tinfoil hatting was Chucklefish when they claim that all the negative Starbound reviews came from a few people.

>>186305110
He's the most iconic leader of Germany.

>>186305615
For uncultured americans, maybe.

>>186279225
Did he mod in the swastika as a religion symbol as well?

>>186305713
I'm pretty sure if you trotted out Barbarossa, Bismarck and the Bohemian there'd be a clear winner even in Europe.

>>186294112
>he already did a mod for Medieval 2 TW for years before that
He probably lives in some shit hole where Nintendo cease and desists aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

>>186305303
SO GOOD

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https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/897846995502682112

>>186307108
Hmmmm

>>186307108
seems legit

>>186307108
looks like a faggot riftborn

>>186264837
He let a scout touch his border and escape back to a horse camp. The horse camps are pure evil

>>186306367
t. Americafat trying to project his ignorance on everyone, including the Europe master race

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>>186307438
Looks more like a guardian killer from legends.

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>>186307108
>Sure ancient space robots, upload your "update".

>>186306481
>United States

>>186306481
Trumpland.

>>186307108
I didn't trust this gimmick in Deus Ex Human Revolution I ain't trusting it now.

>>186299191
>nonadaptive

lmao

>>186294641
Speaking from my own experience/preferences, the worst part of playing a huge highly adaptive blob is dealing with all the planetary micro. Using different buildings instead of just building one resource type planets annoys me.

If you want different negative traits it's your empire. I just see it as the most indirect negative choice of the other negative traits.

>when the mongols expend a great musician in your border
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UELf0p-DB0o

>>186310024
Every bit of mongolian music I hear makes me want to listen to more

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>>186310024
10/10 would sack all of Asia and kill millions on it

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>>186310024
>mongolian music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTvyMBEDupQ

>>186310826
Mongols and Mongolian aren't the same.
A Mongolian is someone who browses /gsg/.
A Mongol is Gengis Khan's little boy.

>>186305110
That's everybody, not just JFD, anon.
And it's fair. Hitler was kind of a big deal.

>>186306367
>Barbarossa
Ah yes, my favorite leader of the Germain nation, Barbarossa.

>>186313224
As much as a big deal as Cromwell for the British or "Fat" Boris for the Empire.

Is there any way to improve the weaponry of my frontier outposts in Stellaris?

>>186313469
You're missing the point. Holy Roman Empire isn't Germany.

>>186313723
There's a mod or two that lets you do that yeah, they'll still be shit in a fight but they'll be a minor road bump instead of something that evaporates when something enters the system. Probably not worth the time though, static defenses are eternally pointless and shit in stellaris. Unless random pirate spawns ala civ barbarians ever become a thing they'll remain that way too.

>
>
>

>>186314232
>Holy Roman Empire isn't Germany.
Everyone get a load of that heretic.

>democratic crusaders have -100 with hive minds because they're an autocracy
>they hate creatures that would literally die if separated from the hive mind because they don't vote
>they hate creatures that are literally one mind in many bodies because it doesn't go down to the ballot offices and vote for itself
10/10 would devour again.

>>186302653
>I don't see Civilian cargo ships flying around so begs the question what are the pirates
Obstacle to player expansion. Otherwise you wouldn't waste minerals on early fleet development.

>>186314938
Considering that hives can assimilate now, you can see thier terror at a being which can effectively eat your soul.

>>186316542
>eat your soul.
*laughs in synth*

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>>186277348
>you don't know shit about dead
Recommend me some dead generals.
I'm just used to /gsg/ and /twg/ I guess

>>186316542
Genestealer Cult when?

>>186316698
Slablands General. Indie General. Shit, even Tera General is only alive because of all the sluts.

>>186316896
/tesg/ is nothing but non stop waifu posting too

>>186316896
/indie/ isnt dead.
Its a slow general. :3

>>186304840
Wait what you could use fling to move planets???

>>186292843
I usually put at least one farm next to the capital on each world to offset good maintenance . I can see where micro managing pops might get to be a pain though.

>>186317016
I'm sorry, /tesg/?

>>186317095
I have to often bump it with cat pictures. Or spider pictures. Or spidercat pictures.

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>>186317306
/tesg/

>be space robots
>get contacted by older space robots
>hello goybot can we interest you in some updated software?
: ^ )

>>186317403
this image's typography pleases me

>>186317403
I enjoy the letters on this picture

>>186317403
I appreciate the curving of these red things.

>>186317403
I find this digital painting's choice of symbols to my liking

>>186318413
Why yes I would like to make some choices where I have no clue what the outcome is, if there even is only one possible outcome per choice. This is a good feature to have in a strategy game.

>>186314938
I've been redpilled!

>>186316542
>>186314938
I'd like it if hive mind lifeforms stayed in the hive mind even if they were taken in an other empire. Like capture a planet full of hive mind creatures and they either split off into a separate hivemind entity/faction that belongs to your empire, or they stay part of the other hive mind and have the same level of happiness as diplomacy with the original hive and if ever in war, the population automatically rebels.

I'd like if if I assimilate a vassal hivemind "snarf empire" then I suddenly have "Hivemind of the Snarf" faction that I need to keep happy in my empire. Reverse being that a non-devouring swarm hivemind would suddenly gain factions from the non-hivemind pops it acquires.

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>>186323305
imagine how much shit would be created by devouring an entire species of billions in a short time frame the way hive minds do
entire planets would be lifeless toilets

>improved space battles still lets you build deathflowers
I fucking love this mod.

What kind of game were they trying to make when they made Stellaris?

>>186327294
Obviously not a good one.

>>186327294
One that would make them lots of money

>>186327294
Europa Universalis in space, but since it isn't historical it lets you play out any (well-known) sci-fi story.

>>186327294
A dlc vehicle

>>186327294
The same game as all their other games.
Have you even played another Paradox game?

>>186327710
Or just let you nerd out with the modding. I'm having more fun shoving my Imperial Star Destroyers down Picard's throat than I should be.

>>186317403
The Elder Scrolls General? Weird, I always thought it talked about lore.
Also, is that guy strangling a woman with a hand coming out of his mouth?

>>186330838
Nah, the lore discussion goes on in the /tg/ ESG

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>6 wheat
dis gon be gud

Best way to use China in civ6?
They seem terribly weak since their UI is god awful on top of their UB being very limited with early game wonders being meh. Petra/Pyramids seem to be the only standout ones there are which get heavily fucked by your starting position. China seems to start near a smalldesert most times though.

>>186332789
That really looks like a flash game.

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Looks like I'm about to receive some Middle Eastern refugees

>>186333898
I don't know what you mean

>>186333752
>china
>weak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0HKfnlkHXo#t=43m25s

>>186334341
He means it looks like someone smeared grease on the graphics, shook it up a little, approximatively put the pieces where they were before, then threw up on it for good measure. It looks like a mobile game.

>>186335397
How did he win so fast?
I really dont understand tourism.

>>186336107
I guess he was the only player who got any wonders, so even though you barely gain any tourism that early in the game, everyone else's defensive tourism was bad enough that the wonder tourism was enough to win.

>>186336239
So basically it doesnt work against the AI.
I mean there are plenty of cheese strats in multiplayer, but I dont have that much fun in it since the games are so fast.

/4xg/, you can stop roleplaying Auriga haha

>>186338083
WARM AND GREEN

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IMMIGRANTS OUT
SCYTHIA FIRST

>>186336042
is this better

>>186338671
needs more horsies

>>186338083
I AM MANY THINGS

I haven't played a civ game since II. Can someone bored give me a crash course?

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>your neighbours are QT elves

W-what do i do guys?

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>>186338671
the horses arrived, but there's nothing left anyway
arabia just rolled over and died

>>186339274
just play on low difficulty
you can't fuck it up, so you can learn as you go along

>>186298778
minor factions, all of them, and try to meme the gas bags early so you can get their great FIDS bonus

>>186339678
Make your neighbor your family
from your rape dungeon

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Hordes of barbarians are already descending to feast on Arabia's still warm corpse.

>>186340665
It's not rape if it's elves

Riftborn seem to have gotten a handful of new changes that aren't in patch notes.
>Starting minor faction is now Epistis instead of Remnant
>Compression and Dilation singularities now cost 20 strategic resources
>Fold singularity gives +25% Dust on empire in addition to its usual effects
>Rip singularity gives +25% Science on empire in addition to its usual effects
>Stasis singularity gives +25% Influence on empire in addition to its usual effects, plus it now costs only 1 of each T3 strategic resources
>Tower of Temporal Paradox now increases its own Dust income +2 / turn instead of +1 / turn

Anyone else find new stuff?

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It turns out Arabia had a secret just over the horizon. Mountains, with iron and a magnificent fjord.

>>186342946
>+25% on empire

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>have two admirals
>one of them runs the military faction
>the other controls the pacifist faction

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>>186343980
you now what to do

>>186339678
>elves
The only xenos I purge are Fungoids, Molluscoids, and Elves
Everyone else is 25 terran years of servitude before being elevated into residency

on a perfect world dowscale ships and fixed turrets would work togheter + the three principal ships expasion mods running at the same time

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Kongo forward settled on me AGAIN. I didn't mean to make this a 150-turn military victory, but everyone keeps getting in my way.

We Live!

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Persia's next.

Did they remove the ability to give a citizen captured from barbarians back to its original owner for a relationship boost?

>>186348709
No we don't.

Should I be using the Stellaris beta patch?

>>186349321
Seriously though it looks as if a popup is going to ask for a microtransaction at any moment.

>>186352240
I wouldn't

Wiz is a faggot

>>186349321
Jesus Christ, everything about that game just looks terrible. Why'd they fuck with the textures so much? Makes it look like some cheap phone game.

>>186355030
>>186352304
I think it looks fine. Brown and bloom was ten years ago, maybe you'd be happier with games from that era instead of modern ones.

So, to any Commonwealth of Man/other xenophobic imperialist players, do you ride to the rescue of the UNE/other human factions in their darkest hour or do you leave them to the xenos?

>>186355345
You've got shit taste. "Modern" is the worst way to describe something btw.

>>186356157
Civ 5 will never come back. It's nearly a decade old, and 6 is already closer to being a better game, considering it released with half the mechanics it took Civ 5 two expansion packs to develop. Stop crying in every thread and get over it.

>>186355631
My people just want to be left alone; we aren't space-bastards.

>>186356636
>6 is already closer to being a better game
it's fucking garbage. It is better than 5 was at release tho and that all it has going for it.

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>Valletta lets you buy walls for 50% of their gold cost in faith.
>Monarchy grants 1 Housing for every level of walls in a city.

My literal dick, free housing for everyone.

>>186357076
It's garbage, compared to what? Paradox's latest dlc cash-in? Endless "We were in early access for half a year but please beta test our game" Space?

>>186356636
>never come back
? But you can still play it... there is literally nothing forcing people to "move on" to Civ Vi.

>closer to being better
I'm sure eventually they will make it a decent game, but they will never be able to make it much better the V. They could have easily updated V with a few minor changes and it would be VI, but with a much better overall look, and not that cheap af texture style.

>>186342946
I get that they want to make the other sungilarities as good as the first two, but they need to nerf other aspects of the riftborn cause they were already very good

>>186355631
Yes. I like playing as the CoM and the UNE always seems to get into trouble in midgame. I go so far as to declare war on anyone who's vassalized or conquered them. Then take/integrate the UNE worlds into my own. It's pretty much my main goal whenever I play the game.

Only annoying thing is that the UNE tends to spawn half way across the galaxy from me.

>>186357740
There's apparently something forcing people to shitpost every time a screencap from 6 appears here. If I had a nickel for every time someone who has no idea what phone games look like said 6 looks like a phone game, I could retire today.

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Is this a good thing?

Is there a way to predict primitives ?
Do you have to survey everything that's not a gas giant or an asteroid just on the off-chance it hides primitives ?

>>186359460
It's a neutral thing. Can be good if you don't do something stupid.

>>186360190
Primitives happen on habitable worlds. So if you're looking for primitives look there.

Or are you thinking of precursors?

>>186360589
Wait, so primitives are on habitable planets without a colonisable icon, and not hidden ?
I never payed attention to the whole mechanic before.
The game files do only mention habitable class.

>>186360871
Yes. There are no primitives inhabiting non habitable planets, and those planets aren't colonizatiable because the primitives count as a empire. The only two exceptions would be the Dathnak gas giant aliens and they're a questline instead of the standard empire/population, the other exception are the primitives on the Sanctuary ringworld event.

Otherwise all primitives are on habitable planets. No frozen world or toxic world primitives.

>>186361807
can a new primitive spawn after the game starts?

>>186364924
no.

Limbo quest can spawn a new (droid) empire or a new population on a benevolent fallen empire's preserve world, but there's no way for a new primitive to spawn on it's own.

>>186359460
if you play your cards right as well as the dice you help it calculate infinity, in which it travels into the black hole to create a universe inside it, granting you a whole bunch of research from the black hole

How the fuck do I give systems away to AI?

>>186366868
You wait for the DLC, good goyim.

>>186366868
Just purge all life from it, the AI will colonise it soon enough.
In fact, just purge the AI too.

>>186365276
any mod that let this happen? I only find ones that fix the amount to a hig value at the start of each game, but they evolve too fast before I even have time to have fun with them, always have other empires to deal with
or any mod that extends how much it takes for them to evolve?

Stellaris is crap. Why would anyone smarter than a cucumber would try playing it? Are people that retarded?

Play a good game instead, like EVERYTHING ELSE!

>>186369181
give me more games where the AI leader begs you when you're winning, beside civ

>>186369181
Thanks for the tip, I'll go back to my copy of E.T the Extra-Terrestrial.

>>186369519
Stronghold.

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>80 turns into a new game of Endless Space 2 until I noticed a patch dropped
M-maybe I should up the difficulty.

What are the differences between Amplitude and Paradox when it comes to things not working and stuff being OP and balance?

>>186371138
Amplitude
>tries to fix it
>proposes next DLCs that can be skipped as they add optional stuff
Paradox
>ban users, accuse them of being racists and sexists when they disagree with the devs
>never patches anything
>every DLCs has a few fixes but a shitload of new bugs
>make as money DLC as possible to milk the goyims

>>186369890
what game do you think gave me this fetish? I mean new ones

>>186371138
Amplitude DLC feels like genuine additions to an already finished product.
Also, I've been on their Game2Gether forums and didn't immediately get cancer, so that's good I guess?

Paradox DLC feels like paying more money for the rest of your game.