Roguelike General

aw shit my rouge is cracked?
really should have checked it in the mirror before leaving the house

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Congratulations for the longest and deadest roguelike general in the last five years by the way

5 whole days, that's 120 hours of uptime
that's a posting average of 6 posts per hour with 7 posts every fourth hour.
I want to believe it was some sort of clever commemoration.

>>186169925
Dead general, no one here genuinely likes roguelikes, but at least we have no tripfags who talk about things unrelated to roguelikes, no waifuvermin and no shills.

you know, i didn't play a single roguelike for the entire lifetime of that thread

>>186169925
>>186170040
I dunno about you guys but I simply have my interest in these threads fluctuate from day to day.

>>186170040
you have animeposters and shills though

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>>186170191

>>186170191
The only "shill" right now is the tangledeep falseflagger.
Animeposters only post stupid pics, but don't derail threads.
There were some /pol/tards, but they either left or understood that one global rule that makes them equal to bronies.

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sure are a lot of rogue likes in this here thread, eh

>>186170283
>falseflagging
Fuck you, I legitimately love Tangledeep.

Hi /dcssg/ how are those 'updates' going?

>tfw the Elona general in /jp/ is more alive than /rlg/ as a whole
Kinda saddens me desu, Brogue was some of the most fun I have had playing videogames and I only discovered it because of you guys.

>>186173785
/jp/ is full of actual autists though, /rlg/ just has people who pretend to be spergs

>>186170283
>/dcssg/
>when there was so much PCB

>>186173995
/rlg/ has too many normies.
We need proper ToME autists who stack numbers and do statistic analysis, not
>muh tite design
>I don't actually know what I want, I just complain about shit I don't like
or oat satan tier low functioning autists who just grind.

>>186174215
>ToME
>Austists
If it has tiles, it's for casuals and you have to make your own challenge rules to make it fun. Easy as that.

>>186174360
You CAN play ToME in ASCII, though

>>186174360
where's your madness win if it's so casual, nigger?

>>186174360
ToME above normal is pretty autismal.
To finish insane, you need to be a genuine sperg.
To finish madness, you have to be so deep in the spectrum that you need inverse Fourier transform just to interact with real world.

>>186174492
Tome's ascii looks like PCB's tiles, though. You can't customize it for shit because the ascii is actually just tiles that look like ascii and that's because the ToME engine is a complete joke. Even ADoM managed to actually get a decent font set and it has eldritch tentacles.

>>186174536
dude insane is easy now

T A N G L E D E E P
L
A
Y

>>186179607
no

>>186146876
Looks cute. What is it from ?

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>http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=9XFlrBKXfnpHxWDyG77m42&topic=14877.0

>To whom it may concern: Kevin knows best. If you think he doesn't, debate with him civily until you realize why kevin is right.

>I have debated with him several times, and can credit myself no wins to date. Much to my frustration, though I'm pretty sure I have gotten a few suggestions through.

>Kevin and the other devs are all human and capable of error, but are quick to correct any bug or mistakes.

tl,dr: Cata Devs can make mistakes, minus Kevin.

Kevin's Defense Force so incapable of defending their autistic leader they trip over their own arguments.

Anyway, what you guys think the game would be like if Whales never left?

http://whalesdev.tumblr.com/post/96006509591/its-nice-see-you-back-and-working-on-continuing

>>186182626
Kevin is sexy and smart and he always makes the right decisions. He has done nothing wrong.

>>186182626
>debate with him civily until you realize why kevin is right
If it didn't come from a 4000+ post cuckoldry veteran, I'd consider it sarcasm.

>>186182626
CDDA unironically isn't even a roguelike

>>186182626
If someone disagrees with Kevin he just sicks his wife on them anyway.

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>>186182626
Kevin Attac
But also
Kevin Protec

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http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14821.15

>Dude gives sane suggestion where one of his points is to make heavy weapons skill so miniguns don't use fucking Rifles skill to shoot.

>"How do any of the alternatives improve it in any meaningful way? If you merge shotguns and rifles, the minigun still won't fit in either."

God fucking hell, can you even read Kevin?

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Stop trying to make drama on the forums, Coolthulu is really nervous about forking the project by himself and you're literally (bibliographically) just making it harder for him.

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>>186182626
>Anyway, what you guys think the game would be like if Whales never left?
We have been blessed enough to see the trainwreck that was cataclysm 2.

>>186183892

It's an action adventure! Ofcourse.

>>186184424
>blocks your coding.jpg
Chortled hard

>>186184514
Why do I have the feeling you are Coolthulu?

>>186186606
He probably reads DDA IRC.
t. logged on DDA IRC

Nethack is cool

>>186186708
I read him on DDA IRC, that he lurks /rlg/, specially when he commented that he liked when the IA dev trips in this thread.

>>186186858
Well, the other reason for why he can't be him is that I am Spartacus.

>>186187003
There's not such meme in the IRC.
Hence you are Coolthulhu.

>>186187151
The other guy isn't, though.
I mean, DCSS

>>186187213
And now I'm starting to think that you are Astraltor or knocktwi

My name is Kevin, and I hate every single one of you.

>>186187694
You sound like Kevin's wife.

>>186187694
Working as intended

>>186174639
>>186174536
>>186174531
>>186174492
>>186174360
>>186174215
Regarding above posts- I feel like in the recent years the ToME community became more toxic than many competitive multiplayer titles populations out there :/ it's not even constructive criticism, just plain trolling. I don't know why such things are allowed on these forums.

>>186184424
More skills just add more bloat though.

>>186187968
Kevin stated his intention to add more skills to handle all the edge cases.

>>186188290
Really? I had hopes after they merged fabrication and construction.

>>186188556
Wasn't Cool the one who pushed that one?

>>186188686
Wouldn't know.
I don't keep up with the behind the scenes stuff.

>>186188290
Future of DDA:
>spend 10 minutes waking up due to low "waking up" skill
>brush teeth 5 times (4 first times failed due to low skill)
>pick up trusty overpowered katana - the only weapon you have skill in, because "japanese swords" is a separate skill from "western swords", but it's OK because you can mass-craft katanas so never need any other melee weapon
>pick up a laser gun - the only kind of a gun you have >1 skill in, because "carbine", "battle rifle", "sniper rifle" and "hunting rifle" are all different skills with no cross-training between them
>manually pick up your crops because medieval japanese peasant simulator with laser guns is realistic
>the crops don't drop much because your "picking crops" skill is too low
>go to town to kill roaming hordes that never approach your farm
>don't use drugs other than painkillers, because it's realistic that drugs suck and there is no reason to use them
>the town is full of hulks, but it's OK because they have no AI and thus you can trivially kite them, because zombies with AI are unrealistic

>>186189315
>pick up trusty overpowered katana
>overpowered katana
>overpowered

It was nerfed, the zwei is better now.

>tfw you will never become Kevin
Why even live?

Alright let settle this, Skirmisher vs Archer, who wins?

Archer is def stronk right now in tome, capable of almost oneshotting every single enemy you see with bullshit aim, poison arrow, called shot and concealment combo. However if you're not Skelebro they seem to be bretty squishy early to mid game.

However. Skirmisher is a bretty cheeky cunt capable of ignoring obstacle and enemies and hit someone at the back no prob. Plus they'll never ever run out of stamina and have higher resist than Archer. They also have more debuff that stack and proc more than Archer iirc.

>>186190330
Archer is by far the best class outside of Madness because you can dump 50k damage on anything before you see them. They also have more than enough durability to take hits on Insane so Skirm should really just be removed.

Did I fuck up?
I play a Yeek Solipsist and put points into the Solipsism talents as soon as they became available. Now I have 102 max hp on level 11 and everything hits me for half of my max hp.
Also no damage shields since I went anti-magic.

How do I get more survivability?

>>186191071
if you rolled a yeek solipsist (grand total of 1.5 life rating) and expected to have max hp you should be extremely disappointed

>>186191129
Yes, but it seems my class only has shields that absorb 50% of the incoming damage.
I mean archmages can have low hp and get away with their infinite bubbles.

Do I need to stack gear with +maxHP?

>>186170283
But I genuinely like tangledeep.

>>186190610
>Skirm should really just be removed.
I don't think they'll be removed. Most likely they'll be reworked just like Archer did. I agree that Archer is pretty strong though and Skirmisher needs a buff but their current version is not so bad, just downright inferior compared to Archer.

>>186191071
>went anti-magic
That would be your problem. If you're a super squishy damage shields aren't really optional.

>>186170283
Hi, original tangledeep poster here. I'm just doing it to bump threads.

>>186170191
on other boards I would anime post just to make newfags cringe to death or whatever their damage it, but i've learned alot just by lurking here and resent the idea that this general is worthless.

also the animeposters are on /jp/elona+, here is "ascii or go home"

>>186188686
Cool wanted "Abstract" skills. Kevin was shittalking him for that.

Anything new out lately?

>>186197258
tangledeep

>>186198109
Brb pirating it now. Also, what torrent software do you spergs use?

>>186198956
headless qbittorrent instance on a home server

>>186198956
>torrenting
>wanting to destroy your computer with dolphin porn &/or chink trojans

While we're on the subject has anyone pirated Dungeonmans here? Is it fun?

>>186202326
Yes.
No.

Are there roguelike streams anywhere? Not just watching a game like you could in DCSS servers but see the actual guy and interact with him in live like in Twitch. If I find nothing then I'm probably just going to do it myself over there, I want to have a comfy afternoon

>>186204295
You can "follow" games on twitch and if you check your following page 24/7 once in a blue moon you will catch someone play very old and obscure games like "Angband" or "NetHack".

>>186204295
i will be streaming Rogue in 2050+

>>186205029
Nice. Welp, maybe in a few hours I will grab a beer and play some DCSS there so that someone might come and laugh at me for not even knowing how to get past Lair with MiBe

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>hanging out on angband.live because loser
>some xorn goofus is clearing the Forest because he didn't get the memo
>go to sign a BM treaty
>come back
>find this

>>186205636
>some xorn goofus is clearing the Forest because he didn't get the memo
What memo?

>>186205783
it's outrageously inefficient to visit since it's so wide open, there are so many hounds, and none of the animal-type monsters drop items - in one case, the guy also spent half an hour looking for an artifact on the floor (which turned out to be Thengel, of course)

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>>186206175
>(which turned out to be Thengel, of course)
Poor bastard.

>>186198109
Why'd you need to spoiler that anon? Are these autists bullying you? The game looks fun. I'll need to wait until it's out of early access though.

>>186207893
wait are you telling me that spoilers aren't surprise boxes?

>>186208056
They're how you whisper on the internet friendo

>>186184424
>working as intended

>>186184424
Funny thing, the name kevin is a meme in germany

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What old version of stone soup is the best? I'm not really interested in the features of the more modern versions. The first version I've ever played was 0.16 so I'm leaning towards going back to that but I've heard a lot of good things about 0.15 and 0.14. I'm just not sure what to go with because I'm not sure what the differences are between those versions.

>>186183479
I refuse to believe this is sincere

>>186211425
I would like to say "play last version haha" but seeing how every version means they cut random content and features and add something with agrees with the philosophy of DCSS, the game becomes more boring each version. And I still haven't beated it because I suck at videogames

>>186211425
MuMo

>>186211425
play after 0.19 or you are mysoginst because you don't want female sigmund

>>186213681
did they seriously make sigmund a tranny what the actual fuck

>>186211425
dcss was never good but probably 0.14

>>186215046
Thankfully, they haven't gotten to Sigmund yet.
Grinder is a chick now, though.

>>186211425
0.15-16 is a good choice if you want a good balance between features and removals

0.10-12 is a good choice if you want "classic" crawl, before the removals really ramped up and the gameplay was streamlined

just remember that the earlier you go, the more crawl becomes a roguelike, and the later you go, the more it becomes a hack 'n' slash

>>186215172
Grinder's always been a bitch

>>186211425
Anything up until 0.15, 0.16, after that it just went downhill

mibe

nethack

>>186180934
to be honest i dont even remember, it's some kind of yuri 4koma that i stopped reading 2 chapters in because i didn't like most of the humor

>>186212798
>>186212919
>>186213681
>>186215046
>>186215285
>>186215374
thanks for all the advice
i guess i'll try a couple different versions to see what "fits" better
i'm looking for something about halfway between current DCSS and nethack in terms of complexity so .10 - .15 sounds pretty good
i could always try poschengband again but i don't really like the focus on grinding or the overworld, i just wanna be in a dungeon making the best of what is available to me without it being totally braindead

>>186205636
>poscheng on angband.live
doesn't that site use a version of PCB that doesn't support subwindows? i tried it for like 5 minutes and gave up because i can't play without them

>>186219509
>halfway between current DCSS and nethack
Unironically I think you want ADOM.

>>186220270
go ask them, I mean it allows you to set your number of subwindows on startup, whether they're actually implemented is a mystery to me

>>186221407
i did ask them
the answer was that subwindows specifically dont work for pcb

>>186221518
how horrifying

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Don't melee these things, I guess.
Talk about a tablord slayer.

play tangledeep "please"

>>186224463
what ways do players have to cure poison in 7.00?
I know ccw doesnt do it anymore.

>>186224615
!Curing _Curing -Curing !Neutralize Poison
All of these remove 100 from your poison counter. I've been using _Curing pretty well so far.
Not sure what !Healing !*Healing* !Life -Angelic Healing _Healing do, but I presume they also have a remove poison effect.

Does anybody here know how this guy made his DCSS setup with tiles and ascii?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjCAw-qv0x8&list=PLFA1TrTf1UtUJZ5RoN4VSUDLfV53vL8Gx

>>186220304
i'll check it out, then
i've heard about it but i've never played it

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Open source roguelike peasants:
>penniless
>depressed
>play shitty angband forks to alleviate boredom after their 5000th DCSS run
>jerk off to pictures of Richard Stallman before bed

Paid roguelike master race:
>wealthy
>self-confident
>enjoy deep gameplay systems and professional polish
>supported by George Soros and the Elders of Zion

Which way /rlg/?

>>186227406
Girls (male) like bad goys

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>mfw I find an altar of the god I want on D:2

>>186228140
>mfw i still die on d:4 to a halbert gnoll

>>186174215
to do tome4 numbers you have to welcome a great and powerful darkness into your soul.

>>186227406
I can't wait for Cogmind and Tangledeep to come out so I can pirate them.
Everything is free on PC you dumb kike.

>>186228796
It's not that hard anon! I even buffed Archer and Shadowblade to madness winning tiers especially for you shitters.

>>186229654
by pirating it and posting about these games here you probably still make some anons buy it.

You will be played like the goy you are

>>186229654
Is Tangledeep basically a cross between ADOM and TOME?

>>186232318
DoomRL and ToME imo, it takes the dungeon layout and lack of healing from the former and the skill system from the latter

>>186225652
He plays in ascii and opens a webtiles window to spectate himself

>>186233063
Is this the autismo DCSS player version of masturbation?

Im about to take my ninth sawbutcher into the desert. Im skipping the rest of the continent and just diving right in. This one isnt as well geared as the last few but I recognize the area enough I should be able to make a beeline underground without getting fucked by luminious horrors this time. Im too anxious to even fire my toon up though beacuse I know Im gonna splat here before unlocking psyshot for like the umpteenth time. Halp /RLG/

>>186235235
stop playing embers of rage faggot

>>186233272
>>186235432
Please remove your trip when posting in /rlg/, thanks.

Ok I'm gonna play a round of DCSS, MiBe to be accurate. I hope I don't starve in the temple again XD

>>186236780
kys yourself

>>186238191
Wow. This is the most clever satirical post I have ever seen on 4chan.

>>186238194
>kill yourself yourself

>>186238249
>>186239432
It would seem that the only correct move is not to respond.

@186239432
thanks for the (You)

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Vulnerable enemies are fun.

>>186239503
I was just mocking that one guy for making a dumb and unfunny shitpost.

ancient domains of mystery

>Trolling for attention on the slowest general for the deadest genre
Oh how far we've fallen

>>186235432
u mad my 6million orc vaginas?

>>186239996
rebalancing imminent

t. Chris

What's a good PCB class for a babby such as myself? Fun and interesting, but not mibe-tier horseshit.

>>186247905
Psion, Mauler, RuneKnight (don't mind the memes, they are completely different in the new versions), Rogue, Ninja.

>>186235235
the fucking luminous horrors are right by the door

im similtaniously shit my pants sacred and thankful i can cheese them by exiting to worldmap

RIP 1post/hr general

I blame the last crawl tourney. The competition made us play that shitty version for too long and now we're disenfranchised by roguelikes.

At least that's my story.

Where is IA dev? He's been silent for a while, right? Did you scare him away or did he realize he was actually unbalancing the game.

>>186251484
Do roguelikes need more waifus?

>>186251916
my gut reaction is to say no

but judging by the popularity of elona I'd imagine the correct answer is yes

>>186251484
I think it's more that the major roguelikes posted here in the past have had nothing interesting added to draw back old players.

DCSS and PCB have literally why changes, DDA is in feature freeze for like five years until they figure out how to get anything done.

Brb gonna play some more nethack on my mobile device

>>186254574
Fuck my fucking faggot life and fucking poison instadeath. Fuck you nethack you fucking gay ass piece of shit

Last bump for shitty tangledeep before I go to bed

you die!
dywypi?

Did they fix Cata yet?

>>186264910
Play the patched version.
It has fixes for the worst bullshit.

>>186263950
sofort kaufen

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are we really down to 1(one) post per hour? what the h*ck!?

post you're current run, /rlg/. Just for fun. To see what everyone else is up to.

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>>186267251
tangledeep was pretty fun

>400x250

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mumo can't be THAT hard

ToME escort is one of the worst thought mechanics in history of all roguelikes.
Irredeemably bad idea.

Good gods for a summoner?

>>186270589
It's not from Nethack so it can't be that bad
You don't even need anything they give except for tinkers or light

>>186270623
well priests of yavanna (aka druids) get summoning in their skill list, although yavanna is not very strong
you may be better off just playing a normal summoner or loremaster and worshipping Eru

>>186270623
ashenzari or sif are probably the best if you want to focus on summoning constantly, TSO is a fun niche pick

>>186270589
>enter area
>already surrounded by enemies
>they all dogpile the escort
wonderful

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>>186267251
Angband guy here

>>186230337
How did memeblade get buffed silly?

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>>186267251
Shadow Fairy stats are really something else.

This character is finally coming into its own somewhat.

>>186276956
Shadow fairy ninjas are the only class in the game that can actually stab with two rune swords, because they still somehow qualify for stabs.
The only problem (other than their life rating!) is the fact that heavier weapons (RS are 15 pounds apiece) are more difficult to hit with, but you still get a guaranteed hit on a sleeping monster and SF stop the innate aggravation.

Then again it might be a bug, because I remmeber doing this back in pseudoellipos-R when you could start with a single unremovable rune sword.
I'll wizmode it out right now.

Hey lads my girlfriend just won her first roguelike game ever.
It was in Hoplite.

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>>186270230
>using the outdated version
Unforgivable.

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>>186275130
>Damage/turns: 62346

>>186277584
why on earth are you interested in dual wielding runeswords
in any case i'm pretty sure ninjas are pretty shit at using weapons that heavy, and especially bad at dual-wielding them.

>>186277838
>why on earth are you interested in dual wielding runeswords
You only get stabs on very low hitting dice weapons
imagine stabbing shit with a 8d8 vampiric weapon

>>186277720
i think he's asking what the actual changes/buffs were

>>186277909
they always had stupid dps but 1.5 gave them parry and trained reactions so they dont die to everything now

>>186277720
>SAWrd packing ogre
Wrong&no.

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>>186277838
>in any case i'm pretty sure ninjas are pretty shit at using weapons that heavy, and especially bad at dual-wielding them.
That's what I'm about to find out! I personally did remember stabbing stuff and not getting [heavy wield] on my starting runesword, so again that might be a bug, but imagine if it wasn't. I remember a guy stabbing the serpent of chaos with a 3d3 weapon for half his health on a lucky roll, the amount of carnage a 8d8 (+15,+15) weapon could do is too good to pass up.
TWO 8d8 weapon stabs are just too ridiculous to even think about, which is why I totally wanna wizmode it.

Do not reply to shitposters and attention whores who put on a trip when their identity is not relevant.
They will get bored and walk away if you do not reply, but will keep being cancer if you do.

>>186278170
Even indirect (you)s get tripfags and attentionwhores wet so don't even do that
just ignore him, we haven't had a persistent tripfag in five years.

>>186278239
There were some replies, indicating that not everyone is aware of internet hygiene.

There's always the litany against bait

>>186278150
the stab bonus damage is based on monster maxhp and not on your weapon dice, is why

so jumping from a 3d3 weapon to an 8d8 one might get you 30 more damage per hit, but it's not gonna make your stab 6x as good

Looks like -R hasn't been touched since april and it's still back to 5.0.5 (not that big of a deal considering how consistently terrible the last two releases have been) and pseudo has been updated last month.
Also -R has only x86 binaries available still.

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>>186278876
>the stab bonus damage is based on monster maxhp and not on your weapon dice, is why
Oh. That's unfortunate.
Still, rule of cool demands me to check whether it's possible on all versions or a bug.

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Yep, it works
Now let' try another rune sword and if it works I'll try with regular pseudo

Is pozcuckband any good? Will it satisfy my tome4tism? Help me rlg.

>>186279089
first things first see what your accuracy % is with maxed dual wield skill

>>186279210
>good
no
>tism
yes
you may want to play an older version though, apparently the dev went crazy for versions 6 and 7

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>>186279212
Ninjas apparently can master the rune sword! The weight really isn't that bad considering that at 18/50 and 18/200 dex I get almost 4 blows, I'm pretty sure it caps at 5.

Now I'm gonna try pseudo.

What's wrong with nu-poz?

>>186279391
>AC 200: 19% accuracy
you aren't gonna be bullying any sneks anytime soon with that

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>>186279474
>malus accuracy
having it to +15 would bring me to a decent 40ish.
And- ah darn. It IS a runesword wielding -R bug.

Oh well.

>>186279404
The dev is nerfing some things which are *bad*.
Also the latest version has weird shit like Free Action not being absolute, but still keeping paralysis.

>>186279607
>a decent 40ish
that still sounds worse than wielding a single sword
plus the fact that dual-wielding means each sword gets half as many kills to feed off of

AFAIK the -R behavior is not a bug but an intentional feature. The forced-runesword option sets every character's max runesword proficiency to master instead of what it would normally be, so even ninjas or sorcerers can become proficient in them.

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>>186279615
>Free Action not being absolute, but still keeping paralysis.
so this is the power of numale developers......

>>186279805
>numale
i dont think so
he's probably some kind of elder caveman with a 12 foot beard
he spends weeks or months at a time with no internet access just playing roguelikes and coding nerfs to everything anyone uses to win or skip past the grind

>>186279767
>plus the fact that dual-wielding means each sword gets half as many kills to feed off of
yeah that's what I said last week, but that winning water elemental actually managed to get them to pretty high dice combos last week so maybe It's not *that* bad. Besides, if the stab damage depends on the HP of the enemy instead of the damage of the weapon you're carrying, it'd be better to just not play a 87% liferating race just to exploit a gimmick in a 6 month old fork.

>>186279913
>nerfs to everything anyone uses to win
That sounds like a good way of balancing things, though.
If it is the best way to win, it's better than other things.

The grind part is retarded, though. Poz is already way too tedious.

im more concerned about the months without internet access thing, really
how does that even happen

>>186280084
The thing is that Chris is all for grinding, but only *his* favorite spots, I.E. hydras and hounds for earlygame and dragons at XL 30+. When this starts falling down and he saw people were conga-ing wyrms with elemental immunities, he removed the clone monster wand altogether. When he saw people were going into high DL dungeons to read acquirement, he created guardians. Personally I think the removal of 555 wasn't too bad an idea because of the sheer ridiculous drops it gave, but he should have kept the lava-lake in 666 as an easter egg, considering that no items can spawn there, but the addition of guardians is kind of silly. Not to mention the new reforge rules, which are simply retarded.

>>186279404
The dev is like some hobo living in the rainforest or something, so the game is designed around taking forever to play and without any player feedback besides his own.

>>186280228
maybe he works seasonally at a research station in Antarctica

>tfw generals about gay anime shit never die but this general about the best genre of games is on life support
bump

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Is this where I come to talk about Cataclysm DDA? Picked it up as my first roguelike recently and its been a blast. How deep is this game compared to the average roguelike? What should I try next? Also fuck zombie hulks

>>186284596
>How deep is this game compared to the average roguelike?
It's certainly complex.
The depth drops rapidly as you learn what is useful and what is just pure bloat for realismfags to masturbate to, though.
It did improve relatively recently, with bits of proper balancing here and there instead of just features for sake of features.

It has a lot of potential, but due to terrible aversion to good game design (good game design is unrealistic), most of it is wasted.

Play the "cool days ahead" instead of the main branch. It has some fixes to bullshit, most importantly it has ranged combat that isn't pure shit.
https://github.com/Coolthulhu/Cataclysm-DDA/releases

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>>186284941
Thank you for letting me in on this mod, ranged combat outside throwing rocks definitely has a "this got nerfed to shit recently" feel to it. I havn't played enough to know what mechanics are pure bloat since I've only just scratched the surface
>tfw a game where radiation gives you superpowers has realismfags
just fuck my fun up senpai
vehicles seem like they got an autistic amount of attention in a good way, but I haven't don't much beyond basic repair and covering mine in bones
Any recommendations for superior/similar games?

>>186284596
Name five (5) roguelike elements CDDA has.

>>186285468
>Any recommendations for superior/similar games?
I don't know any strictly superior, but Unreal World is somewhat similar and dorf fortress in adventure mode with that mod that enhances it is also somewhat similar.

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>>186285597
oh shit boy you're right, this game has nothing in common with rogue or the genre it inspired, how could I have been so foolish?
Point me in the direction of the "tile based permadeath RPG" thread so I can be on my way

>>186285882
Do not reply

>>186285882
Gameplay is the most important part of a roguelike and CDDA has none, only realismfaggotry. But sure, go back to your zombie kiting simulator nigger.

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>>186286119
I'm a sucker for bait, do tripfags hang around these parts often? What are some of the worst examples of realism bloat in Cataclysm, it seems like a hard game to balance considering whatever challenge the game has is entirely self imposed

>>186286473
>being THIS mad you died to a shocker and uninstalled

>>186251916
everything is better with waifus

>>186286697
I think he is the only tripfag besides IA-Dev, but for him it's justified. Just don't reply to faggots and they will go away

>>186286697
Tripfags die if they don't get (you)s, which is good for everybody.
Not even Rogue is a roguelike. Do not engage in this discussion, it drains Int.
The most obnoxious things in DDA are shit like dildos and fursuits, which serve no purpose except to be dumb. Fortunately they're easy to blacklist with mods.

>>186288094
I hope by fursuit you're not telling me there's something outside the warm dinosaur suit I need to worry about. rev up those matches we're gonna need a fire.
I haven't seen either of those items, but a dildo doesn't seem to egregious if its just a dump item you take the batteries out of like the talking doll. I guess you can use the doll as a noise distraction but I've never been in a position where moderate sound would make a useful distraction.
Game could probably use more low powerlevel weapon variety. I'm sorely disappointed you can't make a bolas but you can turn a wheelchair into a rolling explosive lightshow. Almost feels like they built an RPG around a vehicle building game

>>186286697
>being THIS mad you died to a shocker and uninstalled
Cool projection faggot. I've never played CDDA but it looks like shit and smells like shit and I'm sick of the shit using up our valuable posts here.

>>186288506
wolf suits are still in the game although much much rarer than they used to be back in the DarklingWolf days

>but a dildo doesn't seem to egregious if its just a dump item you take the batteries out of like the talking doll.
they're pretty good for morality

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>>186288781
Thats pretty gay, should be blacklistable by default the way religous texts are for some reason. Miss me with that gay shit.
They should really put these gag items in the Crazy Cataclysm or whatever the Wacky Wasteland equivalent is called. At least give us Dakis

Just tried out Unreal World. The old aesthetic lines up with the autism-core real ass person photographs. I feel like im playing a really advanced LARP rpg. I'm shitting on it but it actually seems like theres a lot of potential for fun.

>>186288781
*morale
I'm an idiot

>>186288542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

I want to play roguelikes, but at the same time I don't want to play roguelikes. Help.

>>186291009
Then you should check out the huge number of nonroguelike games that no one here can shut up about.

>>186291009
Play roguelikes different from those you're used to.
Try out gimmicky ones, lower your standards, try more autismal etc.

>>186291009
play DoomRL

>>186291009
>roguelites

>>186291009
Accept madness.
Play meme tome4 addons.
I recommend odyssey of the summoner.

>>186292019
if you cant beat madness you dont deserve to post here

>>186291009
try elona+, it's a perfect introduction for the genre

>>186294331
>playing ironic weeb kusoge

>playing roguelikes

>applying rougelike

You step into a polymorph trap! You feel like a new woman!

>>186296610
^M for masturbate

>>186296926
No need for a new command when you can already #sit and #rub.

>>186296610
touch boobie

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> You see the feral predator approaching! Stop butchering?

>>186279913
I hear the latest theory is he works on a ship/boat, he's not a semi truck driver

>>186302447
being a trucker wouldn't make any sense anyways
if he was driving all the time then yeah he couldn't use the internet but he couldn't play games or code either

>>186299842
>*Teleports behind the feral predator*
>*continues butchering*
>Nothing personel

>>186169925
I'm a huge fan of roguelikes but I have rarely ever been to /vg/. And I'm not that social.

>>186305710
I only come here to shitpost, I hate roguelikes actually

>>186169925
Roguelikes are good but this general doesn't talk about roguelikes.

>>186289786
I never tried the games because the pictures scared me away.
But maybe that just means they are passionate for their game, autism or not.
Guess I gonna try it tonight

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>yfw when you found out Tangledeep is getting console ports
Literally saving this genre

>>186308116
If I can't play it on my VT100 connected to my PDP-11, it's not a roguelike.

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Never had a kit come together this fast before. It's beautiful. Not pictured: staff of speed, cure wounds, enlightenment, teleport.

>>186308116
But it's Early Access.

>>186309858
early access is a meme word
they are accepting payments of money and giving people a videogame in return
all it means is that they plan to continue developing it in the future

>>186310241
So the same as Rimworld? I can get behind that. How is it saving the genre?

>>186310241
I'm not installing Steam just to buy a game that's not even finished yet. That's ridiculous.

>>186310241
t. tangledeep dev

im just saying you shouldn't take a game being early access into account when deciding whether to buy it
if it has enough content RIGHT NOW to be worth buying, buy it
if it doesn't, don't

>>186285468
Rogue Survivor has always been the better zombie survival game anyway. Go play that.

>>186310883
I haven't heard anyone bring up Rogue Survivor in years. Didn't the guy behind it quit on the updates? I used to play that all the time.

>>186311035
He released the source and other people are supposedly working on it.

>>186311220
Very nice. Is there a site or forum?

>>186311936
There's a thread on the df forums
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=157701.0

>playing C:DDA
>have successfully survived for a week, plenty of canned/non-perishable food in evac shelter
>plenty of books for skill training in the evening
>managed to refit a busted electric scooter into a bike
>decide to go raid a hospital a few km away to get infinite painkillers
>on the way, find power helmet in a random rubble field
>soldier zombie at the hospital parking lot has power armor
>I now have a complete suit of fucking power armor halfway through my first spring
>also found a zweihander and a nodachi in antique shops
ayy

Have bicycles been severely nerfed in DDA? My guy can pedal for about a minute before getting really tired and I can't even outrun zombies. I inspected the bike and it says it weighs like 50lbs, which is ridiculous for a standard bike.

oh darn dude i died again

>>186314220
Are you wearing something that adds mouth encumbrance?

>>186315275
No, I tried across several different characters with 8 strength each.

>>186315406
>8 strength

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>Orc:2
>Fighting with a pack that has a few priests stuck in the back and can't break LOS
>Kill some of the weak stuff to get to them so they don't just keep smiting me
>Move forward one space
>It's a sharp corner that puts the biggest pack of priests I've ever seen in LOS
>Screaming sword activates
>They're all aware and instantly smite me to death

>>186317475
so, what was your mistake?

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>>186316704
You talking shit?

>>186317475
owned

>>186317475
leave the vault, dig a killhole, shout until something follows you in
that's the true strat

>>186314220
They were nerfed a long time ago, unintentionally. I think they were buffed since that nerf.
They should still be faster than hulks, at least on road. At least at max speed, which they reach rather slowly.

what does CT mean (in tangledeep)?

>>186318818
When you accumulate 100 of those, you take an extra turn and they zero.

>>186318938
can i walk diagonally? also, i can change weapons instantly, is it because this is a casual game?

Why aren't you worshipping The Shining One? Are you evil or something?

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why is it page 10 again

>>186322357
Do you think doujin authors draw all those little checkerboard patterns themselves?

>>186322668
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screentone

>>186312180
The game is unbelievably slow in GDI+ mode, like 5 second input delay, which means that RSRevived.0.9.9.3 and RSRevived.0.10.0-unstable nearly unplayable. Any solution to this?

>>186319817
yes you can walk diagonally, why aren't you using numpad like a Real Gamer?

>>186323776
just because numpad is LESS casual than playing with the mouse or the arrow keys or some shit doesn't mean it isn't casual
if a game is not controlled through vi-keys, it is not a roguelike

This add-on is NOT designed to be played in the Infinite Dungeon (not yet at least), nor can *ANY* NPC use these talents whatsoever (asides from Drakelings, but THEY are regulated by my own systems, as well as a custom AI). If you choose to play it in the Infinite Dungeon (where talents BREAK their upper limits), I take no responsibility for what happens next whatsoever, be it OPness or bugginess.

... Anyways, I can understand you're trying to "help", but most of what you're talking about doesn't really apply here, since Odyssey of The Summoner *ALREADY* doesn't follow MANY of the Tales of Maj'Eyal conventions. As for Natural Combat, the scaling needed to be that way in order to give it that "exponential growth in benefits" it currently has-- But I guess that doesn't matter if the numbers get a bit high around Talent Level 347 or something-- God forbid the game crashes when your talent level is something it should never be at!

... And, as a future point, if you're going to give advice, be respectful and AT LEAST direct it TOWARDS the individual and not make it sound like a stolen bit from something much funnier. I also don't appreciate you pointing me to SOMEONE ELSE'S guide, because it implies *you* don't really understand what you are saying in the first place and makes me feel less inclined to listen to you.
"I should ignore minmay and read what that guide says." ... Know what I mean?


RE: "A certain prodigy"
I see. Worldly Knowledge is getting a rather POWERFUL buff... Sheesh! I honestly like what it currently does, and will probably have to make my own version of it such that it is still "usable" by my classes (I have some big things planned for this uber). It would also explain why certain characters I've seen had an absurdly higher amount of talent mastery than normal.

>>186325426
... Nevertheless, until this update comes through, I have no time to really think about it. I have already made many plans, and those can't change now.

RE: "Treasure Hoarder's Will"... Again.
Treasure Hoarder's Will has always been a number-nightmare, but I'm (very carefully) trying to tone it down WITHOUT turning it into a garbage talent. It has the VERY important role of making objects remain valuable and important to players, and is limited by the fact that it's only as strong as your "treasure collection" is. "Item's Vault"? Well, we ALL know that's a cheat, so put that out of your mind-- You might as well just SPAWN artifacts in!

Shut the fuck up you dumb nancy.

agreed that item vault is cheating though

Let me be clear in saying minmay is NOT wrong about what they said-- Just the suggestions are completely unnecessary-- Irrelevant, even. Believe me when I say I'm AWARE of how many things are broken in OoTS-- And I mean VERY aware. *FAR* more aware than anyone else here might even know-- But, for the sake of professionalism, I'm not supposed to mention these things until they're discovered. I withhold A LOT of information for the sake of keeping everything a surprise, so it is VERY common for me to "ninja patch" something that nobody has discovered yet... But, occasionally, someone discovers it, and I have to get down onto my forgiveness mat.

>for the sake of professionalism I'll act like I'm unaware of how much I fucked up

>>186326001
It's only cheating because it's not available for free players.
LITERALLY PAY TO WIN.

>>186326371
Bones stuffing goes against permadeath.
Item vault is even worse than bones stuffing.

>>186326371
>non-permadeath modes
>not cheating
Then again, none of you faggots are good enough to beat ToME on normal roguelike anyway since you're too busy with walking simulators.

>>186326371
it's still an optional notaroguelike feature and would count as cheating even if freely available, in the same way that turning on explore mode in nethack counts

>>186326471
Who the fuck plays permadeath in 2017? Especially in a 20 hours long game.
If you want actual cheating, look at drowning town NPCs for instant level 10 for no effort. Now that's cheating.

>>186326505
Shut the fuck up tripfag.

>>186326695
>Who the fuck plays permadeath in 2017? Especially in a 20 hours long game.
>If you want actual cheating, look at drowning town NPCs for instant level 10 for no effort. Now that's cheating.
Is this post ironic? You can't actually be this much of a shitter right?

The cheatiest roguelikes are the best, just look at elona and poschengband

>>186326778
Drowning is literally cheating. Don't play on insane+ if you can't handle it, shitter.

>>186326878
The game is literally balanced around drowning. Of course (you) wouldn't know this since you have zero (0) madness wins.

>>186326878
it's not cheating it's abusing a poorly designed game mechanic
it may be scummy but until such point as the dev nerfs/removes it it's still kosher, just like making infinite wish machines in ADOM by polymorphing rings, or pudding farming in nethack

>>186327260
the primary gamedev doesn't even play modes other than normal adventure anon
any balancing for higher difficulties is entirely the result of suggestions or requests from players

>>186327353
>polymorphing rings for infinite wishes
>he doesn't know how to Illegal Bodypart Archmage

>>186327260
Of course. It's also balanced around item vaulting tier 5 arties and savescumming perfect escorts and alchemy quest poaches ;) Keep telling yourself that.

>>186327353
Exploiting obvious bugs for instant 10 levels is cheating. Try exploiting in any online game and see how fast you're banned for notcheating.

>>186327506
>the primary gamedev doesn't even play modes other than normal adventure anon
This might be true. Otherwise he'd know how fucking broken is adding difficulty by making every enemy twice the player's level.
Classes like solipsist that rely on enemies not having fuckhuge saving throws against your sleeps are completely unplayable on harder levels.
So are classes without very good multi debuff clears since in turn your saving throws are useless.

>>186327530
Post your """"""legit"""""" I+ wins or gtfo thanks.

>>186327708
It sounds like you have a terminal case of being a shitter. Solip only has one worthwhile build anyway (dream hammer).

>>186327997
Solipsist nightmare (the spell, not the difficulty) builds are perfectly viable on nightmare (the difficulty, not the spell), before everything has infinity billion saving throws and breaks it.

>>186327997
I have a few insane wins and a couple of madness and never used drowning. Can't post because I'm not registered (pirated this unbalanced shit).

>>186329797
>pirated this unbalanced shit
anon you do realise theres a free version right? real men dont use the p2w dlcs anyway

>>186329797
I have fucked 9001 models in my basement, but I can't prove it because I'm not on sex offender list, you'll have to believe my anonymous, unverifiable claims.

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how am I expected to kill this fucker? He resists all my decently strong spells and my melee is trash

>>186330708
Whatever you say, self-admitted cheater.

>>186331553
do you have spells of teleport or stair detection
both of those will work just fine

>>186331753
those won't help me kill him

>>186331841
his name is not "Serpent of Chaos", so i dont see how this is an issue

>>186331893
I'm a noob desu

>>186331971
step one to not being a noob: realize you don't have to kill everything and that running away is an finite resource
identify things that are too dangerous to your current character or which will take too many resources to kill compared to the loot/xp you'll get
then, after having identified these things, avoid them

>>186326371
>>186326001
The only case where vaulting is OK is for retarded madness fuckery with crap like sawrd, and even then it's irrelevant to go nuclear over that shit or mercy because they're rare as fuck items.

>>186332220
Vaulting literally puts a note on your character sheet to tell everyone that you're a cheating shitter. If you need sawrd early game to deal with ""retarded madness fuckery" you aren't worthy anyway.

i mean there's nothing wrong with fucking around in wizmode and creating a 1-damage fishingpole with +3,000 extra attacks or something
just don't try to claim a legitimate win after you oneshot serpent with your funny wizmode character

same applies to screwing around with tome vault trying to make OP builds

>>186332476
a true rogueliker works around the RNG and makes it his bitch

>>186332408
retarded madness fuckery means more
>This retarded build only comes together because of this item
>Which is a rare drop

I'd should have rephrased it more as "general dumb crap"

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remind me of rune sword growth - is it based on player level? enemy level? Or can a level 36 player just kill some low level poopers for the first few dice as usual?

>>186333232
I will remind you instead that PCB sucks niggerdicks and isn't a roguelike.

>PCB isn't a roguelike.
What did he mean by this?

>>186333232
it compares enemy level to the rune sword's current enchantment
player level plays no part

>>186333848
that's good to hear, but this go-around I realized I just can't be assed to kill a bunch of uniques, so maybe next time

>>186285468
>Any recommendations for superior/similar games?
If you like vehicle building, no. C:DDA has the best cars of any roguelike. Too bad the exploration doesn't match up to it.
The best way to experience the game is probably to start a class with the Integrated Toolset bionic, for day 1 welding.

>>186333795
Who are you quoting?

>>186334442
The guy above me, but didn't want to give a (you).

>>186334485
This didn't lessen your fuckup, though.

>>186334373
Starting with mech 2 is almost as good, only rare part of makeshift welder and goggles is the spray can. Well, and batteries.

>>186288506
The vibrator gives you a morale boost and tire you out a bit when you use it. Nobody's making you use the thing, but it's still stupid that a game supposedly about zombies has masturbation mechanics. They're not even good masturbation mechanics. Offensively shallow, for something that's supposed to be a roguelike.

>>186334485
responses still get attention whores' e-dicks hard even without a (you) attached, anon

>>186334949
>tfw too busy programming realistic masturbation mechanics to add proper AI or difficulty

>>186334485
>>186333351
Here you go.

>>186335260
It doesn't count if you reply to yourself.

>>186335401
Well I still got one from your reply.
If there's a lesson in this, it's that if you don't want to reply to someone, don't reply to them.

>>186335618
Don't tell me what to do.

>>186335213
>proper AI
Akshuly, that's not because of laziness, but because KG wants unrealistically high standards for irrelevant parts of the AI.

>drcj
>die on dungeon 10

>>186336150
>play shit-easy game for casuals
>still manage to die
shiggy

>play with "no religious books"
>books of fairy tales still spawn

>>186338563
Fedoratipping.png

>>186338563
Are you saying that Lord of the Rings is a religious book?

>>186339468
Are you saying that it's not?

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Have you begged to experience it deeper and deeper lately?

What is your favorite nethack role and why isnt it tourist?

>>186340471
I died, but it's okay, I don't feel anything anymore

QUD

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page 10

How can Tangledeep be this fucking boring?

Anything like prospector but better?

>when you realize you're fatigued and stop playing for the day, saving yourself an unceremonious splat

What a great feeling

One hour and twenty-two minutes ago - that's a long time /rlg/

Dream sheep are such a fucking pain in the ass as a felid

With literally any other character they're whatever unless there's some other dangerous monster with them. With felids it's like they're angels of death sent to put true fear of God in your heart

Friendly reminder that if you're playing locally then you're a savescumming cheaterpants :^)

>Another class in oots
>It's about more shit scaling
>And nekaros denying everything while he plays normal adventure to """playtest""" the game scaling
>Nobody has won except with hydra because it has dumb-ass scaling
W-whew. Why do I keep trying shitty tome4 meme addons?

>>186362643
How so?

>>186365394
I've seen that just trying to flee from a pack can be troublesome if there's nothing to break LoS, just because they do what they normally would except you're a Lair cat with 40-50ish hp and 3 ac, and getting nothin personnel'd takes good chunks of health

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Worth noting that !Healing, Healing-style spells, and _Holiness do nothing against poison now, even though they say they do. Hold onto those staves of curing lads.

>>186292019
what other meme addons are there?

>>186366612
All of the class/race packs are pretty meme-y. Nekaros just happens to change core mechanics and add extremely dumb crap that makes under level 20-30 gameplay hellishly hard.

The less shit ones are null and arcanum (read less off the wall retarded)

fun fact you can get tome's worthless only-good-for-epeen achievements for winning on nightmare roguelike or whatever while using classes or races from mods
you can just pick whatever's most blatantly overpowered and farm up them useless e-badges