Heroes of the Storm General - /hotsg/

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First for Lunara.

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bishoujobutcher skin when

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>>184120518
...is that durotan's crotch at 1:45?

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>>184136723

DA BIGGEST AND ORKIEST SKIN EVER

AND IT COMES WITH A BIKE

IZ GARROSH ELLSCREAM THE LOST ORK IN WAAAGHCRAFT?

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Li Ming is fun and cute!

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>didnt win anything in 4 weeks

fucking blizzjews

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>>184137117

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>Anub'alisk
Finally

Have they released Garrosh's talent tree yet?

ANUBALISK IS HERE
GARROSH IS HERE
KILROGG AND GROMM PORTRAITS IN IN-DEV VIDEO
THE 4 POINT TRINITY IS COMPLETE
KEL'THUZAD IS COMING LADS

>>184138823
In OP post blind ass faggot

>always first pick some meta assassin/tank/support, and wind up losing due to map control
>finally say fuck it and first pick zag on garden of terror
>ez win

neat

>>184137423
Yes, it was a meme from reddit

>at promo game
>5 losses in a row
>tfw weekend hots is here

Quit queuing NA boys, the retards have arrived.

>>184139416
isn't just limited to NA, EU becomes hell on the weekends too

>>184138763
qui est l'artiste

>>184140152
don't bother, he mostly draws cuckshit and prolapsed anuses

>>184139416
>>184139559
Weekend is QM Jimmy time.

uhhhh, when does the western clash begin?

buy heroes or wait for next week expecting discounts?

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I am sick. I am SICK. DO YOU HEAR ME? ARE YOU HEARING MY WORDS THROUGH THIS TEXT? I AM DONE. FINISHED. IT'S OVER. ALL OF YOU ABATHUR HATERS CAN GO TO YOUR NEAREST INN N OUT TO SUCK THE HAIRIEST COCK IN THE WASHROOM.

WE SPEND THE ENTIRE GAME SUPPORTING YOUR ASSES, PUSHING THE LANE YOU CUNTS WERE TOO LAZY TO PAY ATTENTION TO, PROVIDING IMPECCABLE VISION GLOBALLY THROUGHOUT THE MAP FOR YOUR SHITBRAINS TO THROW THE GAME WITH YOUR MENTAL INCOMPETENCE.

Here's a friendly tip: THE NEXT FUCKING TIME ABATHUR PINS ON SOMETHING, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD FUCKING IDEA TO GO SEE WHAT THE FUCK THE DEAL IS. DON'T GO GANKING. DON'T GO CLEAR A WAVE. DON'T EVEN BOTHER SAVING A FAGGOT ASS TEAMMATE. LISTEN. TO. YOUR. ABATHUR.

Every fucking time there's one of you faggots that virtually forget about Abathur's existence. God how I wish you were in the enemy team so I could slide this Zerg dick down your throat and out your ass until the vibrating force of my ejaculation rearranges your molecular strands into a BETTER AND USEFUL ADDITION TO THE GOD DAMN TEAM. Fuck you, FUCK you, and FUCK YOU. Good fucking night.

>>184139559
I've never played EU, but I can almost guarantee that the average EU retard is leagues better than the average NA retard.

Its just not possible for people in ''''''diamond'''' NA to be worse than what I've seen.

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>>184136723
>garrosh is a main tank and not a boring assassin or multishit
THANK YOU BLIZZARD

>>184142364
>shitty boring kit on anticipated hero
ty based blizzo never ceasing to disappoint

>>184142639
You can troll your team though, this will be the best for tanking rank

>>184142639
>good impactful kit on an anticipated hero will now see lots of play because he's not AOE damage dealer le spinbot #257
what is the issue exactly other than your pretend world in your head being not real

So, is it OK to heal the tank?

>>184143036
Yes, but don't waste mana healing D.va robots in between fights if she has charge full.

>>184141285
what do u think of locust build

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>>184142979
Damned straight.

I'd feel bad but there just aren't pleasant people in mobas.

>>184137117
She needs a rework. Normalize her damage output from 1-20 to not be so topheavy Also her 4 talents and her wisp in general are abysmal. How a thing like wisp has the audacity to take up a baseline skillslot is beyond me. Especially when things like xul's armour, which is a fucking free extra skill, exist.

Make wisp a clicky talent if you must, and give her something like a splintered spear baseline skill, with proper cd, mana cost and duration.

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>>184142979
>doing the brawl earlier
>team getting stomped
>morales yelling that i'm wasting her stims
>she keeps stimming me while we're in full retreat/there's only us two vs the entire enemy team/there's nobody around/etc
>every time she stimpacks me after that just dive no matter what and yell how she didn't support me

>>184141285
Exactly what I feel like after a few games of Abathur. When will Blizzard let me take control of allied heroes with Q?

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I feel like this should've been an easy win, Cassia was last pick which I thought would make things easy versus sammy and jimmy but she just died a fuckton while Diablo slammed everyone around

>>184144262
>Dying when Auriel has guldan as a source which basically means infinite heals per second
How?

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brehs...

>>184144412
combination of overchasing and diablo putting people where I can't heal them, especially rexxar who got bullied really easily

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>>184144430
it was so much fun though

>>184144625
>33 minute shitfest
>fun

>zero incentive to play brawl outside of losing n times for the chest
what did they mean by this

>>184137423
>>184144693
I'd rather a long game full of close team fights than a short blowout

>>184144693
Personally i have a TON of fun in an intense 30 min match where i am always on the edge, rather than in 3 x 10 min matches where we either get rekt, or we rek them. And the point of BRAWLS is simply that - FUN

>>184138763
Anub*Zagara dojins when

>>184144983
The point of brawls is to see how quickly you can end 3 games

>>184137117
FPBP

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>>184136723
>https://us.battle.net/forums/en/heroes/topic/20758226523?page=2#post-31

"Muh fantasy" babies btfo

me unga

team bunga

>>184145423
>wowfags btfo on /hotsg/
>wowfags btfo on reddit
>wowfags btfo on blizz forums
how will they ever cope

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>>184145423
based devs

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>>184146051
>>184146138
jokes on you I'm a wowfag and I'm hyped!

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>>184145423
>we understand that everyone has their own idea of how a hero should plau but dont care because we made this game and know better than you do

Hots devs confirmed best blizzard team

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Who's up for some full orc premades, with everyone using a different Garrosh portrait at the same time?

>>184146328
>varying degrees of ORC'D

>>184145423
HOLY SHIT KAELTHAS FUCKING CONFIRMED

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apparently they didn't show his best recolor in the video

>>184146328
how garrosh can you make all the other orcs? I'm sure that Samuro, Thrall and Gul'dan have brown-skinned variants. What about Rehgar? Does he have a tint that is garrosh enough?

>>184145423
I liked some of the responses on the first page about Tassadar. So many people get him confused with the high templar unit, and fail to look at his actual character. If Tassadar wasn't the character he was, he'd have burned the terran worlds and killed the dark templar who approached him damning the entire universe. Instead he did his best to save everyone, often taking a supporting / mentoring role in spite of him being one of the most badass warriors in existence (zealot -> high templar -> dark templar -> void adept, all things that tass was). Sure he may 'play like a sentry' but it isn't unsuitable to who he was as a character, and when he really needs to rise to the occasion he can totally hulk out and dish out a ton of damage in archon mode.

>>184145423
>People still shitting their pants over Xul
Blizz talked about this a while ago. They tried the d2 kit, they went "Holy shit this is an autistically boring caster, did people really play this passive garbage in d2?" So they tweaked things over and over to be more involved and interesting, and we got what we have now (more or less) where you don't just get to afk with a giant skeleton army. "BUT XUL DIDNT DUAL WIELD" weapon swap. "BUT NECROMANCERS DIDNT USE SCYTHES OR DAGGERS, THEY USED WANDS", Unique +necro skill scythes and daggers existed.

>>184145423
This won't shut anyone up. I'm glad they are trying though.

>>184146714
What's the other variant that wasn't shown?

>>184148513
...the one in my picture?
or are you saying that it looks bad?

>>184147428
This is what wowniggers don't get. They look at a character like Garrosh, see he has a big axe, come to the conclusion he's a meaty DPS because of the existence of similar things in another game's mechanics, amd then have shit expectations for the hero and call that "fantasy".

Fantasy is far more than just playstyle, it's who that hero really is. Garrosh wasn't a bloodthirsty berserker cleaving enemies in his wake, he was a strong warrior who had a lot of responsibility thrust upon him and a legacy to live up to from his father. He was a commander, he directed the Horde on a warpath that any orc could be proud of, but he wasn't a stupid mindless axe swinging retard. And they went with the most vanilla version of Garrosh possible, leaving out later storylines so that they wouldn't lose the character Garrosh in all of the shit Garrosh got himself into later. It's like they suck the heroes off the crapper and slap them im the Nexus and say FIGHT and strip them of lore baggage for gameplays sake while allowing whacky interactions and shit at the same time.

Do I think Garrosh is an absolutely perfect rendition? No, but he looks great and seems fun, and honestly feels like how Garrosh would actually be if he wasn't attached to the shitty story and game that WoW is. It's a good balance and I think they captured him well enough.

>>184148712
The base skin has four variants, I'm asking if you have a picture of the fourth one.

>>184148970
yes, it's in my first post

>>184143036
never heal anyone except murky
your diablo has 8000 hp so he doesnt even need healing unless he's bad at games
your murky only has like 500 max hp so you should ancestral him the second he takes damage to try and keep him alive

>>184144852
azmodunk artillery wars were fun last week

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>use blind on illidan
>it works

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>>184150838
EXPLAIN THIS SHIT BLIZZARD

>lose game because one person is out of position in the late game

I'm so fucking mad jesus christ.

>>184151149
play garrosh and toss him back into position

>>184136723
>li-ming clubs spray
>not queen of spades spray
fuck

>>184151497
blizzard is not a cuckshead like 4chan.

>>184151279
Garrosh is a godsend to this game. Finally we can "inspire" others to do great things.

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>>184136723
>that in-dev

ALARAK WAIFU

this is the first good liming skin other than the default
thank god

actually the china dress skin is good too but that shit's an event skin so i couldnt get it even if i wanted to

>blizzard now is trying to force wow dungeons as esports

wtf man

>Dare to play QM
>Matched with 4-man premade
>One of them has FR in his name
>They're all assassins

Name one reason not to quit the game right on the loading screen.

>>184152445
It can be more exciting than the terrible minigame that is the wow pvp

>>184152552
touche anon

>>184150838
>Carbot animation.flv

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>Garrosh finally gonna be in game
>Can finally KEK Varian and Thrall players as BESTCHIEF
This has been a strong as fuck year, I wonder what is in store for Blizzcom

>tell hammer to use e or z to get out of siege to run away from the 5 people assfucking her
>FUCK YOU ITS YOUR FAULT I'M DYING. FUCKING REPORTED
classic unga

>>184153374
>Hello team
>Oh god, you are one of those guys, muted and reported

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>>184151898
I can't decide if I want this or the standard Protoss skin

I really really love Alarak

>>184153269
>gets literally and figuratively roasted by thrall
>KEKing anyone, especially best orc
ummmmmmmm sweetie?

>>184153269
>>184153867
I'm going to throw all the alliance/cuck horde characters in middle of the enemy team.

>No all chat
Why? Moba's that do this just arent fun

>>184154429
just print this out and tape it to the middle of your screen;

[All] puccifuggerNA: jjajajjajajajajaja

>>184153867
He also lost the two times he fought varian and had to run away

>>184142364
>thank you for ruining Garrosh's character Blizzard
Nice reverse troll.

>>184145423
>>184146138
>>184146306
What a joke of response.
>If I asked 100 of you to send me a design for Garrosh, I'd get 100 different responses, all with good reasons
>all with good reasons
No, you'd get mostly retarded fucking reasons with shitty arguments supporting them, because most of your playerbase are retards who will eat whatever you shit into their mouths.

I know no dev team will ever just say "we fucked up" but lmao what a worthless dev post.

>>184154429
Nothing about shitposting in all chat is fun in a game that allows you no time to shitpost and will just make you lose

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>>184155224
you and the rest of reddit right now

what's the highest number of deaths you've gotten, /hotsg/?

the best i've done is 13.75 on murky, or 55 deaths if you do the math.

>>184155224
Nice post, logged in to upbaot this

>>184155224
>>184154708
triggered fantasy cuck attempting to get btfo a second time

>garrosh hidden passive
>takes 10000% damage from thrall's lighning

>>184155224
Garrosh cuck tears are the BEST!

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Warfield is next boys, and he'll be wearing Firebat armor.

>>184155419
I've had a 10 deaths murky on my team, and when being annoying as spooky skelly king I got up to 12

>>184155419
2

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>>184156526
Think again.

>>184156960
>not doomfist
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm racist much?

Anub'alisk looks so fucking sick.

>>184158067
this game doesn't need yet another orc

>tfw two heroes I play and one that I'll be buying as soon as it's released are getting really cool skins that will probably be legendary quality
>tfw only 1600 shards

wake me up

>>184158385
Saurfang is just a warrior like Garrosh :)

>>184158385
Who gives a fuck that you don't think your husbandos kit fits his character, if it's fun that's all that matter. Lore fags are the absolute worst

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why ?

>>184155295
>>184155451
>reasonable people rightfully point out how poorly Garrosh's kit fits him
Okay then.

>>184155423
Why the reddit posts, kids? Why do Blizzbots mindless accept everything that gets shit into their mouth? It's really strange. They seem to have no ability to discern for themselves. It's like walking into a room of brainwashed cult members or something.

>>184156089
Aren't you the Blizz-cuck, though? Fans of the game are pointing out that Blizzard made a bad decision for the game. A reasonable person should be able to recognize that.

Serious question, though: Can you for one (1) minute argue that Garrosh's kit wouldn't better fit Saurfang? Hardmode: No stupid answers like >>184158494

>>184158607
Flavor matters every bit as much as gameplay, if not more, especially in a game devoted to fanservice like this one. Are you literally too far gone on the autism spectrum to not see that?

>>184158385
>Can you for one (1) minute argue that Garrosh's kit wouldn't better fit Saurfang?

It would, because Saurfang's actually cool and not a retarded plot device with multiple personalities that attracts edgelords and barafags.

>>184158842
>It would
Thank you for admitting Blizzard made the wrong decision.
>>184158654
>why ?
made a typo

>>184156960
nope, it's definitely Warfield

>>184158385
>Can you for one (1) minute argue that Garrosh's kit wouldn't better fit Saurfang?
Wasn't Saurfang Champion of the Horde for a period (yes I know multiples have existed)? Known for being an axe-wielding murderous motherfucker similar to Broxxigar the Red? Like we know canonically that Saurfang killed a *lot* of fucking people, something Garrosh never did directly.

>>184158287
It needs several more, actually.

>>184158774
The biggest blizzdrones are people who care about blizzard """""lore"""""

>>184159074
I'm going to politely ask you to delete this.

>>184159026
>>184158842
>>184158607
>>184158494
sorry guys >>184158774

>>184159250
not an argument

>>184158774
>reasonable people rightfully point out how poorly Garrosh's kit fits him
not an argument try again

>>184159167
I thought it was people who cared about """""""""""""BANS""""""""""""" fuck off banposter, I know its you

>>184158774
>Serious question, though: Can you for one (1) minute argue that Garrosh's kit wouldn't better fit Saurfang?
They are both generic orc warriors, their kits could be interchangeable.

>>184159167
>no argument
Lore is the single reason people anticipate the release well known characters in HotS. Emotion is the main reason people spend money (in any medium). Love of characters is extremely important to any game, and I'm not even a lore nerd.

You are at 10% hp.

Do you:

>A) Place yourself in vision of their Illidan (he has hunt)
>B) try to 1v1 Genji
>C) try to take a keep
>D) press b

There is only one correct answer to this question.

>>184159665
D but only after B

>>184159617
>caring about wow lore after wotlk
yeah you are too far gone at this point

>>184159617
Lore != emotional connection.
Just check out all the connection to overwatch characters.

Is the Locust Build for Abathur viable?

>>184159469
>>184159342
>implying 'lolreddit' wasn't the entirely of your 'argument'
How poorly Garrosh's moveset fits him has been covered here and every available HotS forum there is. It's just a generic warrior kit that was shoehorned in because the game """""needed""""" another tank. People are pointing that out on every forum, not just plebbit.

>>184159579
>both generic orc warriors
No, they're extremely different in personality and how they fight. A very ignorant post.

>>184160047
again not an argument

>>184160047
Vocal
Minority
:)))))

>>184160031
yes, its fuckin good.

>>184159821
>no argument
>>184159992
Personality of a character is part of lore. It's what draws people in to a game. HotS could still exist mechanically as a set of wireframe animations and still have the exact same gameplay, but no one would play it.

>>184158774
Were people crying this much when malf had his shitty kit? I did see some complaints about Xul's kit but it wasn't this bad. There have been characters that don't really fit their characters exactly it literally does not matter as long as they are fun to play (although I think malf is shitty to play and doesn't feel like a druid at all).

>>184146328
>top left looks like he has a cute head bow

>>184160162
>ad populum fallacy
Brainless lemmings will accept anything. People who actually know what they're talking about are always a tiny minority.
>>184160147
You haven't made any argument other than 'reddit'. What are you trying to say?

>>184160047
>No, they're extremely different in personality and how they fight
Their fighting styles are the same, they just have different personalities. Although younger genocidal saurfang had a similar personality.

>>184160410
>Donald Trump logic
Sad!

Weren't you shitposting about stealth and shit for the past week?

>>184160240
>Personality of a character is part of lore.
Lore can detail a character's personality or how it came to be but a character (and their personality) can exist wholly independent of any lore. Granted, it would be a shallow character that feels disconnected like all Overwatch characters where they're slapped together just for fanservice.

>retard picks tracer
>lost game
>blames our pick for not picking around him
>he picked 4th btw

R e b o r t e d

>>184160468
>Their fighting styles are the same, they just have different personalities
But that's just not true, though. Garrosh was noted for being especially reckless, even for an orc. Not every orc warrior is interchangeable for ability sets. Blackhand, Doomhammer, Grom and Saurfang would all have differing fight styles and should have in-game move sets to reflect that.

>>184160553
>still nothing to add
I'm waiting.

why do we have so many delusional posters

>>184160829
>especially reckless, even for an orc.
That's not true, that's why he ran away from varian twice. He wasn't reckless for an orc.

>>184160919
Blizzard games attract ultra autists

>>184160919
You can shitpost as much as you want and noone can't stop you.

Not him, but literally nothing in his kit reflects his character apart from the mediocre looking whirlwind. I mean come on guys. It feels like the devs never watched or read anything this character did and played around his personality, his ferociousness in the battlefield... I'm really sad he has mechanics that don't fit him whatsoever. Literally the Rexxar 2.0 for me. Where a character has mechanics that work but doesn't represent the character at all. Dunno what else to say except I'm very disappointed Garrosh turned out to be this.

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>>184160829
You realize that no matter how much you cry and bitch and argue with us here the devs aren't going to succumb to your demands right? You are having a bitchfit to people who think that you are wrong and don't give a shit about you how asswrecked you are.

You have many retarded opinions anon (stealth, bans, garrosh, etc), we care about none of them.

>>184154429
same reason splatoon doesnt have it
it's a casual kiddy game and blizz doesnt want their precious players getting e-bullied

>>184160829
>Garrosh was noted for being especially reckless
wasn't he noted for being a "brilliant" tactician, not a regular WAAAARG orc? Like do you want him as a literal retard charging in until he is dead or something else?

>>184161426
>Like do you want him as a literal retard charging in until he is dead
It sounds like that would be a perfect pairing of character and playstyle for anon.

>>184160975
>being reckless means you never retreat after losing
Also
>"In Wolf Heart, Garrosh fought with Varian and lost. His own soldiers had to pull him back because he refused to stop fighting and Varian was going to kill him."
Sounds pretty reckless to me. At any rate, Garrosh, Saurfang, Doomhammer, and Blackhand would all have different kits because they have differing fighting capabilites/styles/personalities.

>>184161426
Not him but he was both, he was a master tactician but he was triggered really easy like in that book when the alliance repel them because Varian cheated with his logosh spirit he went nuclear and tried to solo the alliance army and his korkron had to pull him out of the fight and retreat.

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>>184160660
>person picks an overwatch character
>blames their team mate for their death

>>184155285
Everything about that is fun, though. >>184161353 has the real answer.

>>184159665
>you are the only DPS player on your team
>you are at 10% hp but 5 enemies are dead
do you:
>push with your team, kill buildings for free, maybe get core
>b just in case the game is lying about the enemy death timers and they're all hiding in a bush to murder you

Why doesn't Garrosh use rage

Why

who should I do next for the 0 hero damage challenge

so far i've done nova and medivh, but they were too easy

>>184161924
Why doesn't he use mana crystals that he slowly builds over time and spends.

>>184161053
Just like him you're talking out of your ass. You don't KNOW his character if you think he needs to be some kind of bruiser/assassin/berserker/god knows what else you retards wanted. The fact is you wanted SOMETHING else and didn't get it, so you are grasping at whatever reasons sound the most pseudo-intellectual to fool yourself into thinking you've got some kind of argument that somehow the creators of the game know less than you do.

Blizzard responded already, and they made the guy. The fantasy is right, it's your stupid brains that's wrong.

>>184161617
Yeah that's what I thought, garrosh players want him to do everything, be reckless and a master tactician. How would you implement that in a hots kit? It's really retarded you are crying about his kit this much when you can't even narrow down what you want.

>>184162018
Because hearthstone is shit

>>184161985
zag
autistically splitpush all game

>>184161248
>lost the argument
>appeal to consequences

heh, also
>we lost every argument against you because of our inability to see beyond the framework we've been submerged in for so long
>b-but we don't care
The Matrix pill scene really is fitting in this case.

Also, several heroes have had their abilities/kits altered due to community response. Our right is to give arguments for mistakes the devs have made, and sometimes the devs acknowledge those mistakes, and fix them according to community response. What do you gain from being a teat-sucking fanboy for Blizzard, honestly?

>>184161985
tracer

>>184162106
Honestly I don't even care about his wow kit, his kit is super unique and he is going to be such a powerful tool in double tank comps.

>>184162106
>How would you implement that in a hots kit?
Give him Battle Shout (tactician) and make him an aggressive bruiser type. It's not hard, man.

>>184161617
>Varian cheated with his logosh spirit he went nuclear and tried to solo the alliance army and his korkron had to pull him out of the fight and retreat.
Logosh spirit just gave varian stamina, but Garrosh couldn't even 1v1 varian and lost and had to run. I don't know where this "garrosh was trying to solo the alliance army" came from. But the only reason they were even able to right was because they were using magnatar, just like every other battle they needed some gigantic beast or super weapon to win.

>>184162290
I like this one, would be an actual challenge to keep her from automatically locking on to someone

>>184162169
would also be pretty hard, with the summons having minds of their own.

thanks anons, gonna try that shit

>>184162371
Battle shout isn't really a tactician, it's just a roar you do to pump up your troops before battle. So you just want him to have a generic warrior kit like your orc warrior in wow, instead of a unique kit for his character. Probably just give him charge, hamstring and mortal strike while he uses rage right?

>>184162220
I don't "need" to win the argument you cuck, your whining will never change anything, in fact I don't even need to engage with your points, something that must rectalravage you severely. You are wrong. You will not get what you want.

Feel free to declare yourself 'ACKSHUALLY RIGHT' and "DA WINNAR' though.

Your arguments about stealth/bans/garrosh are all fucking retarded and all fundamentally flawed and you pretend that if you simply ignore every point raised against you and scream stupid nonsense until people go away, you've "won" (not that it changes anything instead of propping up your egotistical delusions).

>>184162331
Exactly, as long as his kit is unique in hots and fun to play that's really all that should matter.

>>184162621
>Battle shout isn't really a tactician, it's just a roar you do to pump up your troops before battle
Okay then give him a fitting 'tactician' ability. Battle Shout is what the leader of fighters in a tactical situation usually does, btw.

>So you just want him to have a generic warrior kit like your orc warrior in wow, instead of a unique kit for his character
Neither one of those are mutually exclusive.

>Probably just give him charge, hamstring and mortal strike while he uses rage right?
There's been dozens of builds proposed that make him unique as well as actually fitting him. The build they've used is great, just not as a fit for him.

>>184162467
play specialist zeratul
spam cleave on creepwaves, masterwarpblade to kill buildings, and blink/VP to get out of dodge whenever the enemy team comes to stop your push

>>184162868
Yeah that's why I agree with blizz when they said they don't care about fan hero petitions or that kind of shit because they are focused on adding new/interesting/metashifting heroes.

>>184162896
>Battle Shout is what the leader of fighters in a tactical situation usually does, btw.
lol what? "Hurr military commanders actually just screamed things" what kind of fucking asspull retarded armchair general nonsense is this. This is completely fucking made up nonsense and you should be ridiculed for even trying to pass it off as true.

>>184161771
i have to know where this is from

What's so wrong with twin blades Varian assuming you have a proper tank? he can solo merc camps in seconds and outdps most melee assassins while still having his parry

>>184162896
Repositioning enemies or allies to your advantage is tactical, just like toss. Then getting harder to kill while he gets lower in health lets you play more recklessly. Then just an ability that hits as hard as valla's Q so you can heal off of it. His kit seems fine, it just isn't the kit you wanted. Maybe you would be happy after you try him out and he is doing more damage than you expected, that literally seems to be the only complaint "we wanted him to be a bruiser not a solo tank ;_;"

>>184163316
Collosus smash is almost equally as good at soloing camps, and it gives a second gapcloser as well as a clear "blow this idiot up". Twinblades just runs at things and hopes for the best, it's a shittier version of the butcher. It gets kited a lot more than smash.

>>184162809
>I don't "need" to win the argument
If you're only out to appease your own primitive ego, then sure. Those of us who actually care about reason and truth what's good and right care very deeply about winning arguments, because it means we had the best argument and therefore were the closest to finding the truth.

>your whining will never change anything
Already addressed in the previous post. Blizzard has PROVABLY altered heroes and abilities due primarily to community response. You're simply wrong.

> I don't even need to engage with your points, something that must rectalravage you severely
No, it's something that people who can't win do to feel better about losing. You're just another idiot who I easily trashed. Nothing new or special or interesting.

>Your arguments about stealth/bans/garrosh are all fucking retarded and all fundamentally flawed
Literally zero (0) posts in the previous threads supported this claim, though. Almost all were just variants of typical fan-drone "git gud" and "L2P" etc. NONE of them reflected people who have any idea of basic game design theory, history and progression of game development, or what makes balance game mechanics. It was virtually all knee-jerk reaction to Blizzard being criticized (again, like members of a cult).

>you pretend that if you simply ignore every point raised against you and scream stupid nonsense
From the guy who already said he won't (can't) argue, and has done little ITT than attempt to troll. Hmm. Talk about delusions.

>>184163316
sustained damage on a melee hero (rather than burst) sucks shit
he relies on the enemy team never casting any cc spells at him
he can 1v1 tons of heroes as long as their tank/support isn't around to help but he contributes much less to a teamfight than Colossus's "get in kill a guy get out" or Taunt's CC.

>>184162868
>>184163028
>could literally say this about ANY kit being shoehorned into ANY character
These are jr. high tier arguments, guys.

Why is Xul melee

>>184163815
what's wrong with any kit being shoehorned into any character?
in fact i think it would be great if blizz did that just to harvest lorefag butthurt

>>184163589
>Those of us who actually care about reason and truth what's good and right care very deeply about winning arguments, because it means we had the best argument and therefore were the closest to finding the truth.
I might believe that if your own style of argumentation wasn't deeply flawed and you didn't consistently ignore arguments that were inconvenient to you while prattling on a giant fundamentally flawed gish gallop.

But please, tell us again how """""""""""""bans""""""""""""" fundamentally ruin the game while making irrelevant comparisons to MTG.

>psuedo-intellectual diatribe
Fuck off autist.

>>184163815
I don't really care about your opinions, if you want to bitch go to reddit or something.

>>184163815
What is wrong with his kit? Do you just want him to do more damage?

>>184163904
Because D2 AFKmancer didn't translate to this game very well and Zagara is already a ranged summoner. Also D3 Necro cross promotional.

>>184163904
He'd be too safe and powerful if he were ranged.

>all this crying over "muh lore"
hots should start adding original characters that aren't from any universe, most of the lore fags just play vs ai anyway because they like to play all the blizzard games

>>184163589
>GENIUS IQ AND A SIX FIGURE SALARY

>>184163191
>I can't succeed at basic abstraction
Wew. You poor guy.
>lol what? "Hurr military commanders actually just screamed things"
No one would mean something like this (which is so obvious I can't believe you made the response you did). Orcs like to shout before they charge in to battle. You know the guy who is always rallying the troops around them, increasing their morale before they charge in? The guy who've seen in every game and every movie, who is he? Oh yeah, he's the commander. A battle field commander would have a battle shout ability. Again, an ability that abstracts the idea of a commander rallying troops in a fight can be done several ways and doesn't need to copy WoW.

>>184163527
>Repositioning enemies or allies to your advantage is tactical, just like toss
This is a pretty bad stretch but
>Maybe you would be happy after you try him out and he is doing more damage than you expected
I'll give you this one. I'm waiting until PTR to decide completely but it does look like shit from here.

>>184163954
>I don't really care about your opinions
No opinion was given. I was simply pointing out the fallacious and invalid reasoning behind your previous post.

>>184164406
>I am going to try to justify this and pretend that my previous statement wasn't completely retarded.

>>184163006
been thinking of this one as well, would at least give me an excuse to go q build for once

thanks anon

>>184164406
>This is a pretty bad stretch but
It's not a stretch at all, throwing someone behind you so your allies can kill them instead of just charging at them screaming , or saving an ally by getting them behind you are more tactical decisions in battle, rather than some generic scream everyone does.

It's like saying a tennis player grunting when they hit a tennis ball is more tactical decision than them intentionally hitting the ball away from the direction the opponents momentum

>>184163908
>I'd like it if Blizzard made irrational and unsound decisions which would cause financial detriment to their game
Neat post, autismo.

>>184164580
I explained it well. Battle Shout is a tactical ability for a battlefield commander (especially an orc). I can't help you being a retard.

>>184165131
>It's like saying a tennis player grunting when they hit a tennis ball is more tactical decision than them intentionally hitting the ball away from the direction the opponents momentum
wew this hot analogy. You're not the guy from 2-3 threads ago with those fuck-awful FPS player analogies are you?

>>184164406
The fact that Q, E, and Decimate all deal area damage will mean that he will deal a ton of damage over the course of a match, just not front loaded, provided you play him correctly.

>>184163930
>your own style of argumentation wasn't deeply flawed and you didn't consistently ignore arguments that were inconvenient to you
I responded to every post I saw. The best arguments chiseled down into "no one can expect Blizzard to balance their game even though every other competitive game somehow does it without making players waste time doing it for them." while defending an inbred holdover from a 15 year old Warcraft mod.

>please, tell us again how wasting five minutes ruining the play experience of my opponent by denying them the chance to play the hero they want to because the devs are too talentless to balance the game detracts from the game experience
heh. fixed for ya, stupid.
>while making apt analogies to other games that my brain can't succeed at abstracting

>don't criticize my cult!
What do you gain from blindly and brainlessly defending Blizzard? This question is the only interesting thing to arise from all of your posts. Does Metzen post here?

>>184165831
Less unsound and lower financial detriment than removing bans and stuns, though.

>184166110
Screaming isn't a tactical decision it's just something you do when you charge into battle. In what world would shouting demonstrate garrosh's strategic mind? Animals roar and bark instinctually when fighting. At this point you are just doubling down on your retardation

>>184166279
Yeah like I said I'll wait and see. The only real points of conflict are from trolls and people who (apparently) take any criticism on Blizzard as a personal attack.

>>184166839
>The best arguments
you mean
>The only arguments i acknowledged or responded to
because you ignore any post you dont like (and of course you dont like people disagreeing with you in ways that you can't immediately rebut, because you're a sperg who refuses to accept being wrong about anything)

>>184167020
The only criticism that keeps coming up is he should have been a bruiser not a solo tank. People aren't even suggesting kits but keep screaming about lore

>>184166865
Both would improve the game and player experience, so no, not really. I think there's a correlation between good player experience and financial success of a game. That's still true, right?

>>184167212
>because you ignore any post you dont like
I responded to every part of every post that wasn't a repeated fallacy from a previous post.

>>184167325
>People aren't even suggesting kits but keep screaming about lore
There's been dozens posted across the usual forums for the game.

I've finally seen the light. second wind is a fucking fantastic talent on Colossus Varian

>>184167740
Post a ss of your favorite one instead of never suggesting any

>>184167014
>doubling down on your retardation

I'll repost the relevant parts for you:
>Battle Shout is a tactical ability for a battlefield commander (especially an orc)
BUT
>Again, an ability that abstracts the idea of a commander rallying troops in a fight can be done several ways and doesn't need to copy WoW.

The essence of the previous post that started you down your trip to Retardville was simply that Garrosh should be a bruiser with an ability to denote his role as a tactical orc commander. Whether it's Battle Shout copied from WoW or something else entirely is details.

>>184167803
I hate every word in that second sentence.

>It's been THREE (3) hours
>People are still arguing with the stealthfag over some inane shit about how Garrosh doesn't fit the class fantasy

What's so hard about not replying? It literally takes less effort than the alternative.

>>184168323
Bu-but the (You)s

>>184167803
>playing anything other than twin blades varian
ISHYGDDT

>>184166839
>genius IQ and a six figure salary

>>184168574
Fancy seeing you here, every QM Mexican.

>>184168323
>I can't win an argument but still choose to defend Blizzard's bad decisions even though I gain nothing by doing so

>People are still arguing with the stealthfag over some inane shit about how Garrosh doesn't fit the class fantasy
It's not even me. There's a ton of threads on every fan forum. They fucked up. It's okay to say so, Metzen.

>>184168043
Everyone in wow shouts before a big battle even high elves. It denotes nothing other than your primal instincts to increase adrenaline when fighting. A battle shout would just be a true shot aura or bloodlust. Nothing tactical about it since it's a standard practice

>>184167740
>I responded with my GENIUS IQ and SIX FIGURE SALARY.

>>184168650
>thinking either one of these are rare

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i played like one day last week
what the heck

why is Victory Rush not an active
it would be so much more useful if you could actually control when to trigger it
and why the hell does it show up in the bar for active abilities despite being entirely passive
butch's enrage and lucio's heal-when-stunned thing do this too and i just don't understand why
just make them little status icons in the same place that focused attack and shit shows up

>>184168786
>being threatened by things that aren't rare

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>>184168924
>played every day for 27 days
>5 loot boxes

>>184169067
>Played every day for the entire event
>Literally nothing

>>184168997
you mean adrenaline rush?

>>184168067
sorry i'm very light headed and my nose just started bleeding in the last match i was playing i need a break

>>184168783
I'll skip all of the stupid you've posted here and just refer you to the relevant part of the previous post:
>Garrosh should be a bruiser with an ability to denote his role as a tactical orc commander. Whether it's Battle Shout copied from WoW or something else entirely is details.

>>184169002
>threatened
By irrelevant, laughable, unprovable/demonstrably false tangents? hahahaha

>>184168323
>putting your fingers in your ears literally takes less effort than reasoning
What a post.

>Garrosh should be useless and undraftable and also have worthless aura shouts as basic abilities
Blizzard hire this handsome high IQ genius game designer

>>184169292
Toss is far better to represent that than some shitty buff aura

>>184169437
But he already has a GENIUS IQ and a SIX FIGURE SALARY. And if they hired him he'd """""""""BALANCE THE DAMN GAME""""""""" which would mean they'd have to admit everything they did was mistaken

>>184169437
>>Garrosh should be useless and undraftable
Bruisers are useless?
>and also have worthless aura shouts as basic abilities
This was never said. You're being willfully dishonest and arguing a strawmen now. Grow up.

>>184169659
I won't be satisfied until this game is reduced to orange squares fighting on a purple backdrop

>>184169810
They better be really bright orange because stealth is literally cancer.

>>184169219
i mean the talent that literally nobody picks on varian because it goes on a 60s cooldown if you take 3 damage while clearing a creepwave

>>184169437
>>184169659
>>184169810
>>184169854
>>184169659
> And if they hired him he'd """""""""BALANCE THE DAMN GAME""""""""
See, that's really funny, because I was acquired by a game design team a few years ago for exactly this purpose after I sent them an email giving specific fixes to ~a dozen game design flaws and bugs, as well as issues with mesh selectors, etc.
>thinking i just smoke pot and play hots for fun

>>184169545
People don't appreciate the plays you can make with toss. Run in flip the healer to you team and aoe taunt so they can't respond right away, they for sending reason think battl shout is better

>>184169437
remember, things that kill me (like stealth or cc) are objectively bad game design
the new hero should have no way to ever kill me, so having 4 useless aura shouts that have no impact on the game is a perfect design

>guys I literally make games
wew how pathetic

>>184169545
There could(certainly) also be far better ways to represent a tactical role than a toss, but all of these details are irrelevant to the core of the primary post.

>guys I literally have a g-g-genius iq and a s-s-s-six figure s-s-salary. there is no way I'd lie about this at all
doubling down doesn't make it more believable

>>184170019
Last week I was hired by NASA to invent rockets and I'm going to Jupiter tomorrow to jack off on the big red spot.

the best way to display tactical genius is by hiding baneblades behind streetlamps

>>184170019
Even if you weren't lying you would know that it's gameplay over lore every time. People who care about lore or even read the quest text in any game are in the small minority

>>184170019
Is this our gorilla warfare?

>>184170472
The best way to display tactical genius is to take the confused Varian spray on every hero and spam it behind gates.

>>184170161
>remember, things that allow people to get a higher reward than the skill or risk to acquire that reward are objectively bad game design
Yes, that's how game design is supposed to work. But when your studio just copies old mechanics from decades ago because they happened to be a part of a successful game mod you're ripping off the imbalanced mechanics keep getting perpetuated.

To all the tards present ITT: Stealth and Stun should not be removed entirely, just reworked and rebalanced.

i'm new and just starting to play unranked and someone in my game said at the start "brown horse gg", what does that mean?

>>184170651
Nope, they should be removed completely forever. I have like three IQs and I'm the CEO of Money, Inc. so I'm pretty sure I know more than you, buddy.

>>184170748
The brown horse is the default mount. It's a sign that you're a newbie.
That reminds me, I should go equip the brown horse on thrall and zuljin. I already have the default skin equipped on both of them (because it's the best skin for both of them).

>>184170651
You know that warcraft 3 had stealth and stuns before dota existed right?
>To all the tards present ITT: Stealth and Stun should not be removed entirely, just reworked and rebalanced.
But """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""BANS""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" still need to go right? Cause those are just totally unfun, I mean sometimes you dont get to play the hero YOU REALLY WANTED TO PLAY.

>>184170626
Garrosh's tactical genius amounts to "let's nuke that shit" or " let's use old god powers" but that is what blizzard thinks is clever

I wish we had waifufag shitposting OP and thread wars over the autists we've had lately

>Anub Alisk
Perfect, thank you bliz.

>>184170550
>Even if you weren't lying you would know that it's gameplay over lore every time
That's a false dichotomy, and especially in this case, is irrelevant. Garrosh's kit is great, just not for him. That's the only argument people on this and every other hots fan forum have made.

>People who care about lore or even read the quest text in any game are in the small minority
I've forgotton the exact percentage but yes it's quite low. If you can understand why The Butcher's ability set wouldn't fit on Valla, then you'll understand the difference between people who read quest text, and people that want to play a hero whose abilities fit them.

you people are fucking retarded lmao

>>184170748
Poverty pony is a sign that you're a retard and should kill yourself.

>>184170989
well presumably wc3 stuns don't cause nearly as much butthurt for 6-figure-IQ-kun because it's only a small part of your army being disabled rather than your only player character
but I bet if he played that game the invis would cause just as much [AUTISTIC SCREECHING] as it does when he plays hots

>>184171153
>Not luring your opponent into a false sense of security by playing brown horse default skin Raynor

>>184171045
They haven't released a waifu in like 3 months and no good waifu skins since love goddess>>184171001

>>184171142
Its mostly just one retard and a lot of bored shitposting.

>>184170989
>You know that warcraft 3 had stealth and stuns before dota existed right?
Yes, that was the "successful game mod" I was referring to (dota1 on WCIII engine). Both were incredibly broken in dota1 too.
>literally perma-stunning someone from 100-0% life with Troll Warlord
>idiots like you would have argued there's nothing wrong with that on the dota1 boards back then because you're fucking brainless and have no vision

>But wasting your own time to balance the game for the devs while not getting to play the hero you want to still needs to go right?
Yes. Obviously so.

Why the FUCK do people go twin memes when colossus exists

at 20 you literally just delete the entire enemy team with R, you can still solomerc if you take 2nd wind, and you actually have burst instead of twin memes crappy sustained damage

>>184171213
see >>184171491

>>184171552
I'm convinced there's some site out there that every 17 year old League refugee visits that recommends shit like Twin Blades Varian and X-Strike Deflect build Genji.

>>184171491
>literally perma-stunning someone from 100-0% life with Troll Warlord
>Both were incredibly broken in dota1 too.
Lol no. Blinds existed as well as anti-stun mechanics, and you had to get to the point where you had cranium basher, and people could also stop you from "literally 100-0ing" people in a huge variety of manners.
>>184170989
I'm pretty sure warcraft 2 had stealth and stuns, I know invisibility was a spell.

>>184171090
When you work in the industry you know pretty much the only people who use the forums a majority are people who are dissatisfied with something. A thread or two on the official forums or reddit of non unanimous hatred for an untested kit doesn't indicate anything. The feeling seems mostly positive more so than negative. But keep pretending you know the majority opinion while contributing no ideas of your own

>>184171090
Give a kit that fits garrosh right now or seriously just shut the fuck up

So do you build the Q quest on Varian if you go Colossus for the extra burst or is High King Quest still the way to go

>>184172035
Q quest is only for tank build sometimes.

>>184140152
rampage0118

>as an ult, garrosh has one of axe's basic abilities except with like 1/10th of the duration

>>184171830
>blind exists
>but i can't do ANYTHING because his bash landed on me
>oh well, dead

>you had to get to the point where you had cranium basher
No, it was all with his passive Bash and his attack speed. Even clueless Valve knew that shit was super broken which is why they fixed it in dota2
>but you still defended it from dota1 anyway
I knew you would have been that fucking retard on the dota1 forum defending that broken shit back then, lmao

>I'm pretty sure warcraft 2 had stealth and stuns, I know invisibility was a spell.
So, old games used outdated mechanics that they copied from pen/paper Dungeons and Dragons? That's been the cause of a lot of problems with RPG/fantasy games.

>>184172079
I have yet to see that.
Why would one not go for the parry talent for the perfect taunt synergy.

>>184172307
Kitey characters, when you don't need extra damage but you do need more lockdown.

>>184172024
>google things for me
The conversation hasn't been to put forth the best kit for Garrosh, only that the one the devs have shat up does not fit him. We haven't even got past that part yet.

>>184171864
>When you work in the industry you know pretty much the only people who use the forums a majority are people who are dissatisfied with something
That's the primary value of the forums.

Ah, the 'most people don't care either way' argument. It basically disproves itself. The reasons given as to why Garrosh's kit doesn't fit him are what matter, not that most players don't bitch on the forums. Most players will go with any decision the designers make, because most players are baby birds who will gladly eat up whatever mama bird game dev shits in their mouths. Your appeal to majority isn't useful because it's always a minority that raises awareness about anything anywhere.

>>184171830
reminder, when sixfigureIQ-kun says "literally objctively bad game design", what he means is "makes me mad when I lose to it"

>>184172904
>same stupid dishonest strawman

see >>184170651 for the actual truth.

>>184172035
HKQ adds more burst even if you only get one rightclick in (remember, the damage bonus is doubled when you pick Colossus)
Q quest is much easier to complete and gives more waveclear and a useful slow, but is not as much burst

>>184172845
Yeah again you don't give a better kit for garrosh, continue dodging while saying absolutely nothing other than you personally don't like his kit but could even post a kit you think "fits" him. Retarded as fuck

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>right when /hotsg/ was getting comfy again someone comes in and ruins it

>>184172241
5/5/5/10/10% chance of bash for 2s stun from 2004 to basically current. You weren't ever attacking 20/10 times in 2 seconds, so the likelyhood of it happening was extremely rare without additional items supplementing it. The maximum attack speed is 6 attacks per second and you have to have a base attack speed supporting that (troll does not) and a full item build.
>hurr u'd defend it
for a GENIUS IQ you sure don't like to think about things objectively do you. It literally wasn't a problem, go watch a dota game now and see how 'hypercarries' are dealt with, because they're still played. They get ganked, they get denied, things are made difficult for them, they get CC'd.
>everything I dont like is outdated
K, why don't you go make your own game then with your GENIUS IQ and SIX FIGURE SALARY rather than shitpost on 4chan.

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>>184173052
>remember, the damage bonus is doubled when you pick Colossus
Good to know, I never checked how that actually works together

>>184172307
as a tank you need to provide peel for your teammates, a 50% slow for 2 seconds is pretty good at that for when your taunt is on cd and you don't wanna engage

Fuck theses arguing autists

Someone recommend me some good anime from the past 30 years that I might not have watched yet. I've watched around 2k anime so far

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>>184173567
in dota1 there was a time when
a.) troll/bara/slardar/void could benefit from basher, and
b.) the bash chance from multiple bashers stacked
so it really was possible to do permabash troll by buying a couple of them

>>184173598
it also means that hkq is shit-tier garbage if you're going for taunt

>>184173801
boku no pico
you've probably watched /a/'s favorite anime though, so i'll rec a second one too
midori no hibi

>>184173801
Haikyuu-chan and the Six Figures

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>>184173801
kuzu no honkai

>>184173965
right, but six digit iq was saying that troll could permabash before getting bashers. see:
>>184172241
>No, it was all with his passive Bash and his attack speed.

>>184173965
>in dota1 there was a time when
>a.) troll/bara/slardar/void could benefit from basher, and
>b.) the bash chance from multiple bashers stacked
>so it really was possible to do permabash troll by buying a couple of them
I am aware, which is why I included in my original statement that you had to have bashers. I started playing dota shortly after abaddon was released (2006) and stopped sometime between windranger/kunkka (2008) and elder titan/batrider(2009).

>>184172845
>Most players will go with any decision the designers make, because most players are baby birds who will gladly eat up whatever mama bird game dev shits in their mouths. Your appeal to majority isn't useful because it's always a minority that raises awareness about anything anywhere.
This is just the thought of a 13 year old who thinks they are woke or something. Hots will always be a business, there is no "problem" to be aware of with his kit, you just don't like it because you believe it doesn't fit his character lorewise, which never really mattered in hots, lore barely even matters to blizzard in wow.

>>184173801
Shinsekai Yori

>10 win streak yesterday
>start today off in promo
>go 5-9
>demoted
>rinse/repeat all season

How do you guys deal with this shit? Game after game of feeders and just generally shit players. I take breaks for a few hours, come back, lose some more. This is "diamond" btw.

It doesn't even tilt me, so I don't want to stop playing, its more like "well i definitely cant get a retard on my team X games in a row," then it happens.

>>184173965
>hkq is shit-tier garbage if you're going for taunt
I may be sub lvl 200 but that just seems obvious

>>184173801
Monster
Key the Metal Idol

>>184174350
I don't waste time playing ranked desu, I just do the placements for the portrait and spend all my time playing quick memes.

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Why doesn't garrosh have any abilities that reference how he fought in-game? Like when he dueled thrall and taran zhu, or when you fought him in nagrand?

>>184174712
Because he's gay.

>>184174712
Because he literally do nothing but smack you, thrall and taran meme around.

Why doesn't tracer have a skin that references the scarf she gave her girlfriend during christmas?

I'm going to start doing my placement matches.
Who should I pick?
I'm going to land in silver anyway

>>184173965
>>184174194
>>184174349
Already seen all of these

>>184174054
What? You don't mean that volleyball anime right?

>>184174459
Seen Monster but the second one seems interesting, thanks

>>184174783
He used his fists and lunges at people a lot. Some kind of punching ability would be cool. As he stands now there's nothing that tells me he's garrosh besides his name and model.

>Garrosh doesn't have a Level 20 talent where he eats Y'Shaarj's Heart and gain empowered versions of all of his abilities

FUCKING RUINED

>garrosh doesnt have mana crystals
Uninstalled.

>>184175682
Body check is literally a punch.

>>184175775
itll probably be a legendary skin to turn him purple that they'll release a few weeks later

>>184175775
THE POWER
FLOWS THROUGH ME
RRRRRUUUUUAAAGGGHHH

>>184175902
Look again. It's a shoulder bash, and it's a very minor part of his kit that can only be used if you pick the talent.

>>184176089
Is weird how that talent is fucking mandatory.

>>184175902
body check is a fucking body check, retard

>>184176051
You think you have won? You are BLIND!
I WILL FORCE YOUR EYES OPEN!!!

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>>184173801
Card-captor Sakura

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>literally almost throw because decide to engage in mines, spawning the golems sooner, instead of hitting their 1% core

I didn't even notice this was 40 minutes until it was over

god bless qm haunted mines

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Not only does Garrosh have a good and totally on character kit, but it is also objectively FUN

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You know out of all the WoW dungeons, why doesn't AQ have any representation? It was a big memorable event, and has plenty of bosses that they could easily turn into characters. Twin Emps in particular could be an interesting hero.

>>184179508
>literally every upvoted (thumbs up'd?) comment on the youtube spotlight is muh assassin should've been like butcher

I don't get people, you literally toss your teammates around. It's something Garrosh would definitely do just to be a dickhead

feels like people wanted a sonya reskin with a leap or some shit

>>184180874
I still say I wanted someone like Sion from LoL. But I do guess we already have a raging charging berserker in butcher.

>>184179508
How is it in character? Where does he do any of the things he has in his kit in WoW?

>>184181358
You should know by now that HoTS doesn't care if it follows abilities that the character has.

>>184180874
Can't wait for people to fuck over their team with the throw. Amount of Abathur players crying because Garrosh threw them out of their base or throwing a enemy hammer who got cocky with their single player mode

>>184179834
>slime as a tank hero
>has 99 physical armor

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>>184181358
>Q is offshoot from Shockwave
>R2 is offshoot of Whirlwind
>E is reference to old talent called Wrecking Ball, also referencing every cinematic he's been in where he's grappled and thrown people around
>W is reference just a sustain ability that warriors had, Fury tanks were a thing at some point long ago for Bloodthirst
>R1 is Intimidating Shout and also fills the "he's an aggressor and needs to shout things" shit, also dueling
How are WoWfags so fucking dumb

>>184180874
Just something like Darius.

Why are people so pissy about what a side characters abilities and role are?

>>184181921
because everyone want's their favorite guy to be added and have no weakness and exactly match their headcanon and be the perfect hero for their playstyle

>>184181589
>>184179834
>Viscidus in HoTS
>You can't kill him unless you have Jaina or Arthas on your team

>>184181921
Imagine how ass blasted Maiev and Kel'thuzad fags will be when they come out and is nothing like they expect

>>184182228
I fucking hope for healer KZ.

>>184181537
>dva
>genji
>lucio
>zul'jin
>ragnaros
>varian
>samuro
>zarya
>gul'dan
>medivh
>chromie
>tracer
>greymane
>kael'thas
>sylvanas
>thrall
>jaina
>azmodan
>anub
>uther
>arthas
>falstad
>diablo
>tyrande
>illidan
>muradin
>stitches

And that's leaving out all the characters I don't know enough about or the ones that aren't fleshed out enough in their original games to base abilities off of.

They've always tried to incorporate the character's fighting style into their kit.

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I had no idea Dunktrain was so THICC

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>Malthiel comes out
>Nobody complains
>Stukov comes out
>Some whining about how he's not a Specialist that infests structures and spawns infested minions
>Garrosh comes out
>Nonstop sperging and autism filling up 60% of the threads

>>184182228
I honestly can't imagine what Kel will be. Because he could, conceptually fulfill any role. Maiev on the other hand, I really can't see her as anything other than an Illidan clone.

>>184171552
>>184171723
Spoiler its this very general dumb shits were spamming twinblade as easy win on here.
So naturally every memesprouting retard in game picks twinblades and tries to solo the entire map losing the game. See this regularly some faggot just picks twinblade and runs off solo to destroy forts.

>>184182635
Typical behavior from spoiled brats from nuWoW.

Who's a confirmed buttslut in the game?

>>184182771
Li Li

>>184182580
Well let me rephrase that, they don't care if they follow the original games EXACTLY. They always do a good job of getting their styles though.