/twg/ - Total War General

first for dawi

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HORSE'D

WHERE IS KRELL POSTER?

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Okay guys, we're two months away from release and they still haven't shown the Skaven.

When are we going to admit that they have been cut from the game and will be sold as DLC?

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Norsca is coming, #PrayForPraag to get a cool and unique siege mission!

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Daily reminder that Malekith is the rightful king of the elves.
Carry on, peasants.

>>183990856
Why didn't they give dorfs stakes and spear wall so they can defend themselves against cavalry?

>>183990879
What a shittily made logo

>>183990759
>More like 160 range, has the same unit count as Trollhammer Torpedoes, normal firing rate but fast
They'd be useless for 160 range and low unit count, any other ranged unit would shred it.

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>>183990640
How long until someone mods bear cavalry hussars?

>>183990879
I love this because you just know he's going to make a video on that and be btfo again.

>>183990973
does kislev actually have that?

>>183990973
someone post it

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>>183990973
>mod in
Wait for Kislev.

>>183990919
this is my chaos long campaign that has devolved into HORSING the entire mountains and badlands of dwarfs

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>>183990973
>>183991052

Say no more

>>183990973
You take your melted abominations and you'll like it.
probably TWW3, since Kislev isn't on the TWW2 only map

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>>183990952
>any other ranged unit would shred it

They have a huge ass shield, or at least should. They'd be well defended against ranged attacks. Still, yes, they should be the longest ranged non-artillery unit in the game.

>>183991120
JUST

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>>183991120
Alf cavalry

>>183990973

>battle skirts and capes

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Tasty elven booty.

>>183991245
>>>/r/eddit

>>183991047
Not really, they've got Bears as mounts for special characters/lords. Which has ended up with people thinking they have full on Bear cavalry. They do have hussars though and if they get made into a faction they'll probably end up getting Bear cav due to all the memeing/misinformation.

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>>183991245
>yfw you nomnom a hot elven princess

Dark Elves are truly the best masters!
Malekith best king.

>>183991120
>SQUAA- I mean, ROAAAAR

Serious Skaven Roster Speculations

Probablys
Slave rats (spears or unarmed)
Clan rats (swords or spears)
Stormvermin (halberds or shields)
Giant rats (hounds, basically)
Rat ogres
Doombell
jezzails
poisonwind globadiers
warplightning cannon
Nightrunners/gutterrunners


Maybes
Rat swarm (meatshield)
doomwheel
ratlinggun
plague monks

Likely nots
hellpit abom
stormfiend


I'm guessing they'll be a infantry wall+ranged back up type of force. Low on cav, but good at throwing bodies into the mix and chewing things up with "elite" units/arty

>>183991291
I mean, would Bear Cavalry really be that bad?

Empire gets Demigrpyhs

>>183991139
I think a decent fire rate and the longest range would be good then about 40 units (20 firing 20 shield holders) would be fair.
Can't wait to mow down the skavens worst enemy:slave rats with them and other skaven weapons.

>>183991139
How slow would they be?

>>183991414
They'd need a high damage that should do well against single targets and cav

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>>183991046
same for bretonnia, t bh
their knights and peasants look amazing

>>183991395
It's not in the lore.

>>183991383
No swarms, since they haven't shown up in other factions.
They'll probably save Clan Eshin for a DLC pack.

>>183991291
there is at least one cannon lore bit talking about Kislev fielding bear cav.

>>183991383
I actually hope that the Hellpit Abomination will be in since we got the Hydra too and it's probably too expensive to make for DLC I guess

>>183991525
>200*112

dude

>>183991527
The Lore aka The BORE is no fun. Bear cavalry is fun. Ergo, Bear cavalry should be a thing.

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Volkmars rape wagon is fun as heck

>>183991535
What other factions use swarms, besides VC with bat swarms? It seems doable, but not "core needed" for Skaven.

Eshin farms out to other clans, and they're pretty iconic, so I'm guessing we'll see some.

>>183991587
Hellpit won't be because it doesn't fit the motif. It looks like a chaos spawn, not a rat. They'll just do rat ogres (and maybe as mounts) instead.

Speaking of, do Skaven have ANY air power?

>>183991395
Honestly it wouldn't be that bad, and frankly would give Kislev a nice monstrous cav unit without being lore breaking. They already use feral bears as a unit before (think like the doggos) and it's a easy enough gap to fill, kind of like how Bretiona got hypogrph knights. The only reason it would be 'bad' is because GW didn't think about ti first. Which apparently is enough for people to get their kickers in a twist.

Also I think that Medieval 2 Warhammer mod gives them Bear cav as well..

>>183991535
>there is at least one cannon lore
>cannon lore
Where can I read lore about cannons?

>>183991525
you're missing a few pixels there

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>>183991525
fuck, why I can't delete this post?
>>183991046
same for bretonnia, t bh
their knights and peasants look amazing

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>>183991641
>The Lore aka The BORE is no fun

>>183991662
>What other factions use swarms, besides VC with bat swarms? It seems doable, but not "core needed" for Skaven.
Orc snotling swarms
Lizardmen jungle swarms

>>183991662
TK with scorpions/scarabs

>>183991662
>Speaking of, do Skaven have ANY air power?

I think Thanquol stole a Dwarven airship one, but that's about it.

>>183991641

t.Radious

>>183991383

I should add warpfire throwers, since we know a "flamethrower" mechanic is already in game and works.

>>183991746
>>183991761
So seems like Skaven would be a good time to implement them? Prep for TK and small roster updates?

>>183991775
And then G+F made it crash, which was Thanquol's plan all along? :P

>>183991662
Vamps have ghost and bat swarms, Orcs have snotlings, Skaven have rats, Tomb Kings have scarab swarms, Lizardmen have reptile/snake swarms, Deamons of chaos have nurglings.

I think thats all of them?

>>183991746
Empire halfling swarms

>>183991120
WHAT THE FUCK?

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>brought Warhammer during the 12 buckaroos humble bundle
>tfw it's already my second most played game on Steam

Y-Yeah, I guess your game is alright, CA.

>>183991858
I'd buy that DLC.

>>183991835
I can see snotlings never making it into the game--orcs already have gobbos for meatshields, but other swarms maybe

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>>183991641
>>183991527
>>183991732
>>183991787

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54th for Total War fetish fodder.

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>>183991291
>>183991665
>Where can I read lore about cannons?
In Nuln.
Duh.

>>183991825
>So seems like Skaven would be a good time to implement them? Prep for TK and small roster updates?
I don't think they'd serve much of a role, outside of tarpits, which most armies can already do.
Besides, the way unit models work in Warscape, it would probably look pretty wonky.

Swarms are probably better included as AoE spells or army abilities.

>>183991969

Do NOT lewd pure Hydras!

>>183991950
>tfw we will actually see this in our lifetime

HOW THE FUCK IS NORSCA IT'S OWN FACTION

WHAT THE FUCK

How does the WH beast power ranking go? I mean animal-intelligence things like demigryphs, wyverns, manticores, not minotaurs.

>>183991904
I wish I could bring up the patience to get into CK.
It seems like itd really be for me.

>>183991934
I think it depends, Like with snot lings they do come with a precursor throwing weapon which is something gobbos don't have. I'd like to see them come up with a new role or mechanic for Swarms, at least to make them a viable.choice next to units with similar roles.

>>183992095
because why not you dumb n*gger

>>183992095
Because chaos was shit and warhammer sold a lot of copies

>>183992095

Why not?

>>183991981
Oh yeah, there's the spider swarm too from the spiderbitch.

Yeah, that's why they're on my maybe list. Slave rats will be your meatshields for skaven.

Since we've seen all new factions getting some battle mechanics, what do you think Skaven's will be?

Some sort of "friendly unit deaths don't matter as much" morale thing or something? Like your stormvermin don't lose morale when slave rats die?

>>183992106
I'm all for roster bloat, in general, but swarms go on my "maybe" list because it's not really required.

>>183991383
giant rats are too slow to be hounds. Not having a decent mobile option is core to the skaven character. They struggle against cavalry and particularly horde factions. It's why they built the Great Wall.

>>183992095
The never-ending salt of the three chorf fans could sustain me eternally.

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>>183992102
same happened to me, just force yourself to play it for a few hours

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Question time
Do the undead garrisons, when they reinforce an open field battle, crumble when the Lord of the army they are reinforcing dies?

>>183991934
Snots are the ultimate meatshield and should be regarded as moveable tarpits rather than an actual units, don't expect snots to do any damage what so ever. Snots only exist to keep other units from doing anything, pit them against a charging cavalry and you won't see that cavalry do anything for a while.

>>183992096
Mammoths>Everything else

>>183992095
Don't forget CA brought back the Fimir, literally who's in the lore just because they could.

Now if only they could fix sieges and magic and I'll be fully in love.

>>183992187
>tfw only like chorfs because they're OP in COW

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>>183992220

>Mammoths beating Dragons

Cannons fuck them all though

>>183992171
Really? Huh. I always figured a giant rat could book it pretty well.

>>183992208
I don't disagree, I just don't see how CA would justify that particular roster increase.

>>183991854
Jedi knight mod for TW when?

Think Warhammer 3 will go all the way to Cathay? What will the map be?

>>183992289
no, and please don't start

>>183992289
Warhammer 3 will be the End Times and then they'll delete the game from steam and replcae with with Total War: Age of Sigmar

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>>183992095
How ravaged would you be when we get Grand Cathay, Ind, Nippon, Kutesh and Araby?

>>183992265
>Mammoth: 13.5k hp and 525 AP damage
>Typical Dragon: 4.5k hp and 450 AP damage
The dragons in this game are really not that strong

>>183992289
No

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I have fucking had it with the armenians

>join trapezos' war against me because their brutish minds can't handle a civilized faction in the caucuses
>get so assmad after getting btfo that they invite media atropatene into a war they brought upon themselves
>the cum-gargling persians accept this request with great gusto, and threaten my newly conquered lands
>have to try and take on 2 armenian armies with my starting faction leader or risk them marching up to phasis with a bunch of basket weaving spearmen
>lose because one (1) man has the capability to poison and kill almost a 3rd of my army
>meanwhile at the former Armenian "capital city" a slum forms the fucking instant I rip down the shrine to whatever local catamite they worship
>all the homeless armenians steal sheep from across my kingdom to comfort themselves at night
>plunges my empire into famine
>armenian armies capitalize on the sheep shortage and re-claim their lands

This was a while ago - I slowly have been making a comeback, but almost all of the neighboring factions have been at war w/ me throughout this entire fucking campaign, and I have had to fight off multiple invasions aimed at taking my capital

>>183992289
The map will have to include a part of the old world as dull as it sounds. Otherwise it won't work as a standalone game.

>>183992162
You're not wrong, I just think it would be a missed opportunity to add in something unique to only some armies.

Hell I'd be down if they where just in some kind of war beast pack ala Rome II. I just want to see as much put in as they can.

>>183992289

Depends what they do with Araby in the next game. They're large and have enough of a roster to make it work.

They can't really get away with making another TEB faction with Araby. Unless we really are going to see Araby faction greeting us on this fine Markhtagh, then we can expect them to do Cathay in game 3.

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>>183992381
I really hope they do an April 1st announcement of that.

>>183992421
Lore-wise, though. In-game I can just compare unit stats. I could compare TT stats as well, but different editions make it hard for a noob like me.

How do we make warhammers swarm units viable in Total War?

>>183992221
It is much easier to reskin than to change a great new mechanic like one walled sieges!

>>183992519
Don't think papa GW is gonna allow that.

>>183992162
Replying to my own post with idea...

So Skaven have "musks" like the musk of battle/fear/etc.

So a battle mechanic where a wavering friendly unit spreads fear, and you either need to move/kill them or support with encouraging troops? Base game already works this way but I can see it being played up for skaven.

>>183992464
Word, I'm with ya, I just don't think it'll happen.

>>183992187
Chaos Dwarfs are coming though, they're just coming a year and a half from now

>will probably have forgotten about this game by the time chorfs come out

fug

>>183992550

Make em really big and squishy.

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>>183992289
3 will be this map + some more chaos wastes from the north.

>>183990973
Kislev will be a pre-order faction for the third game I bet.

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>>183992586
Skaven got to have RNG and critical failures just as much as Dawi need their grudges.

>>183992531
In all editions of TT mammoths stomp dragons

>LotR total war game that uses the alignment system from FotS
>good guys get the comfiest fortresses, bad guys get extra resources for bigger armies
>realm divide hits and you suddenly get loads of doomstacks trying to breach your comfy helms deep/ minas tirith/ dwarf hold
Will we ever get this?

>>183992683
Agreed, I'm just trying to think about how the "life is cheap" rule can apply to the battles.

Skaven don't care if other skaven die, but they also don't want to die themselves. Selfishness defines skaven.

>>183992612
>most of the map from TWH 1
>some parts of the map from TWH 2
>the actual new part is a fucking wasteland between two mountain ranges

Yeah good luck marketing that.

>>183992664
Wrong, the pre-order faction will probably just be an extra one for Warhammer 2 like they're doing for Norsca and the pre-order of 2

Lore question. I notice every faction but the Empire has some super rare Demi-God badass, except the Empire. Vampires have Blood Knights. Bretonnia has Grail Knights and so on. Do Sigmar, Ulric, and Morr just not give a fuck about humans?

>>183992736
no, lotr's gaming future is Shadow of Mordor series. I would hundred times more want to see a BFME 3 instead of a Lotr Total War if I wanted rts from lotr.

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>>183992683


Man I don't even care if Skaven ends up being a really bad faction, if they can do even half the wacky shit they can pull off in TT I'll be satisified.

>>183992812
>What are demis?

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>>183992289
My estimate
red game one
blue game two
green game 3 most likely. dotted lines potential extra stuff.

It's the chaos expansion so they gotta go into the chaos wastes a bit. Need ogres and chaos dawi and hobgobbos homelands in there. Kislev is almost a 100% given. I think Cathay may just squeak in if CA enjoy printing money, I'd say Cathay is a sure thing if they do Araby for game 2.

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>steppe ballista

>>183991950
>>183992058
I'm fucking hyped for Kislev factin

>>183992812
Sigmar's gifts are different, see the war priest/witchhunter for example.

Ulric should eventually have small/powerful priest units in the game hopefully.

>>183991120
If they added mammoths to the Norsca, I don't see a problem with bear cavalry for Kislev.

>>183992421
>typical dragon
that's because typical dragons were tiny compared to FW dragons, which also had waaay better rules than GW dragons.

I reckon they've based Mammoths too much on their TT rules and not enough on game balance, a mammoth vs. a dragon should really be a tough fight.

>>183992902
>Kislev is almost a 100% given
It won't ever be a main race for a game and that map won't happen

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>>183992828
>I would hundred times more want to see a BFME 3 instead of a Lotr Total War if I wanted rts from lotr.

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Never realized how big these guys are.

>>183993006
Unless it's a rare dragon the mammoth wins every time

>>183993078
for you

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>>183992963
I can't believe we had incomplete Kislev DLC files as early as launch and they're leaving the faction for W2 or even W3.

>>183992828
Another BFME game couldn't capture epic battles the way TW games can though.

I'd really like a TW game where the devs are forced to make epic sieges and make sure the AI can deal with them.

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>>183992812

>Sigmar

Several Knightly Orders are devoted to Sigmar, and then there are the Warrior Priest. If we're including the End Times Sigmar literally came back to lead the Empire against Archaon.

>Ulric

Also has some Knightly Orders, and I seem to recall art of a Wolf Priest from somewhere. And then there's the fact that Middenheim has never fallen so long as the flame in Ulrics temple there has burned. Fuck you, Teclis.

>Morr

Has some Knightly Orders

>>183993013
That map is a pretty good one though.

>>183992812
I think one of the motifs of the empire is have brass balls even though you are relatively weak and insignificant. Doing your part even though you will die, the strength of the human spirit, the endurance of the Empire. It wouldn't really make sense if there was an upper class of super powered "people who are better".
Despite that, sigmarite priests get super powers in times of need. Sigmar helps those with the will to fight for themselves and their nation.

>>183993224
Yeah, Empire gods=bless everyone
Lady of the lake=bless these 17 dudes

>>183992664
That is actually not a "bad" bet.

>>183992612
Well I doubt we will actually see Cathay...Araby has an actual shot at making it though.

>>183992428
Sounds like fun desu. Fighting against all odds is most satisfying. Also removing eastern scum is honorable deed.

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I just want muh hussar/cossack themed army.

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>>183993145
what the fuck? is this another DLC pre-order bonus bullshit again?

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>>183992205
No one knows the answer?

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>>183993078
Being state soldier must suck, all that outlandish shit running around and you're supposed to hold the line against them.

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>there will come a day when CA drops the whole "Skaven? What are those?" shit

Can't come soon enough, frankly. Does the fanbase even find it funny? I mean, them covering up the Skaven when showing off the Special Edition preorder was amusing but other than that it has become really annoying.

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I want to be dominated by best Varg chieftain.

>>183993438
sega are going to jew you out and you goys are going to pay up every single time
>TW2 60$ price tag with pre order bonus dlc
you let this happen

>>183993013
And what else would be the 4th race for Warhammer 3? And give me that 4 daemon factios crap, because that would be boring as shit.

>>183991383
I make a list from the ritual hints and likely to be dlc stuff.

LLs
>Thanquol and Boneripper
>Ikit Claw- I say this as I think Queek will be flc as he would fit better near Karak Eight Peaks

Lords and Heroes
>Verminlord -that ritual picture, seem bigger than a Grey Seer
>Warlord
>Grey Seer/with Screaming Bell
>Chieftain
>Assassin

Core Units
>Clan Rats
>Skaven Slaves
>Stormvermin
>Night Runners
>Giant Rats
>Weapon Teams- Ratling Gun and Warpfire Thrower

Special Units
>Poison Wind Globaldiers
>Warplock Jezzails
>Gutter Runners
>Rat Ogres

Rare Units
>Doomwheel
>Hell Pit Abomination
>Warp Lightning Cannon

Definitive DLC
>Throt the Unclean
>Warlock Engineer
>Plague Priest/with Plague Furnace
>Plague Monks
>Plague Censer Bearers
>Plagueclaw Catapult

>Rat Swarms-I can't really say but they must do swarms at some point due to Nurglings.

>>183993454
You are mistaken in your assumption about undead crumbling in the first place. Undead don't actually magically crumble when they lose their lord like tabletop. They just take a morale penalty like everyone else, but their leadership is low enough it can cause army losses and mass shatter/disintegration.

>>183993013
Kislev is the closest thing to a main race that isn't a main race, they'll be hurting for factions for game 3. Bet you a Charlie and half jabber Kislev will be available on release. maybe as a preorder bonus.
Of course I'm acting on the assumption that II and III are on the same scale and DLC plan as I.
If they scale back 2's DLC from 1's then you're right and it aint gonna happen.

>>183993454
I'm 75% sure they do

source: that one time I played

>>183993495
I actually find it kind of funny, yeah. People getting butthurt about it are funny too.

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>>183993438
>being this new
Datamining showed already at launch that work was being on making Kislev a full faction like Brettonia. Obviously, it got indefinitely delayed.

>>183993460
Thats kinda the point of warhammer/40k the average man vs the kitchen sink of fantasy/sci fi. Although I guess fantasy soldiers have it worst; at least guardsmen get a lightpointer for the "insert horror of the week here", frontline soldiers just get pointy sticks

>>183993546

>not buying through keysites

Nani?

>>183993569
Nice, but I'd argue that given the New World, we're likely to see more Clan Pestilens units and less other stuff (like the hellpit abom)

What if guys.. , Kislev is Christmas Freelc akin to Bretonnia??

>>183993556
>And give me that 4 daemon factios crap, because that would be boring as shit.
>I don't like something so it must be wrong
Sure senpai

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>>183993460

Hold fast or expire

>>183993612
why did they indefinitely delayed it? because muh DLC bonus or what?

>>183993460

I imagine the pay is pretty good considering the shit you're expected to put up with.

>>183993668
this

I haven't bought a game through Steam in a long time

>>183993514
I can't even tell what that's meant to be. Sure doesn't look like Surtha Ek though.

>>183993686

The bulk of Pestilens shit will come with The Skink and the Stink. Tehenhauin vs Lord Skrolk Lord pack

>>183993546
>game is bigger and more polished than its prequel
>preorder bonus is entirely irrelevant to the second game
>it costs as much as the prequel

I don't see the problem.

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>>183993514

>saving the thumbnail

>>183993791
Tfw it didnt save properly on my phone and I'll never ever find the source

>>183993770
According to WHFRP the pay is not very good--but it's better than being a dung farmer.

>>183993801
Maybe, I'm expecting a generic Skaven roster with flavor from each clan (rat ogres, poison wind, warp-lightning, etc) with the rest as you said.

>>183993556
Chaos Dwarfs, Chaos Demons, Ogrekingdoms, Kislev

+ A complete rework for chaos with some godspecific units. (Juggerknights, etc.)

Honestly that is plenty to work with

>>183993569
I am pretty certain you are right on plague stuff being part of the future " Skink & The Pestlord" dlc.

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>>183993460

Better than being a Bretonnian peasant, a goblin/gnobblar, or a rank and file Skaven at least.

>>183993742

Priorities changed I guess, the left side of the map was empty, a lot of work went into Welves/Brets/Skarsnik/Belegar to basically add an entire new theater to the map.

It's possible we'll be seeing them soonish now that they are flushing out the Northern part of the map.

>>183993705
>hurr le 4 edgy demon faction duke it out in a desolate wasteland
>implying people will find this more interesting than a game with ogres, babylonian dorfs and bear cavalry

>>183993495
>Does the fanbase even find it funny?

Normies LOVE that shit. It's a predictable 'inside' joke that they can repeat over and over. Have you ever had a funny moment with a normie at school or work and they bring it up everytime you interact with them?

>>183993801
>The Skink and the Stink

They better make this the name of the DLC or riot

>>183990879
I don't understand why people complain about this, people were whining about the exact same thing with vampires, who weren't shown at all until a few months before launch. Guess what, vampires turned out to be the most catered to faction!

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>>183993898

>all those banners
>dat fucking drummer

BANNERS AND MUSICIANS WHEEEEEN

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1091523543

>>183993927
>people will want a game where two factions are reskins of two factions from game one
Okay mate

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>>183993987

Not fucking soon enough. No musicians i can almost understand but there's literally no excuse for the lack of Standard Bearers

>>183993741
how is the guy on the right not a reaction picture yet

>>183993918

>Priorities changed I guess, the left side of the map was empty, a lot of work went into Welves/Brets/Skarsnik/Belegar to basically add an entire new theater to the map.

Fuck I'm glad I bought TWW just as Bretonnia came out. Sounds like the game was much less enjoyable.

>>183993858
I know, Im depressed now

>>183993993

Does this mean that I have to install the terrible, horrible Grand campaign map mod to get river battles?

>>183993578
Okay. I'm really confused about their mechanics.

>>183993993
>GCCM

It's shit m8

>>183993993

Nice.

>>183994053
Daemons are WoC how?

>>183994090
yeah me too, bretonnia is the only reason why I got warhammer in the first place, now I can't wait for Kislev faction. Must be fun playing against chaos right in your backyard.

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It is now July, a chill wind blows in Naggaroth but the sea of malice is beginning to thaw. From Ghrond, a messenger comes bearing word of an ancient prophecy involving the lands of north Lustria. The Hag Queens offer many sacrifices to Khaine, while their underlings train relentlessy. Meanwhile the Druchii of Clar Karond whip their slaves ceaselessly in preparation for the Witch-Kings coming campaign.
A great fleet is being assembled and the armies of the Druchii arm themselves for total war, domination by a best elf soon!

>>183994090
Not really, only major difference is WE, bretonnia still doesn't do anything on the campaign map like pre Bret DLC

>>183994124
Yes. Now you can put more cheese on your cheese map pack

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>>183993770
State troops get enough money to eat meat, drink ale and whore. It's pretty swag compared to being a peasant.

>>183994053
>chaos dorfs are a reskin
Shows how much you know about Warhammer

>>183994160

Better than vanilla sieges desu

>>183992809
What faction could they make for Warhammer 2 as a pre-order? Kislev would be better fitting as fans want them and they are the first line of defense against Chaos.

>>183993145
>>183993612
Proof? I have seen the Russian leak which predicted Beastmen and Wood Elves factions but never saw the Kislev.

I say would have have a high chance as they have unique voices and buildings.

>>183994186
Chaos dwarfs are reskinned dwarfs and Kislev is reskinned empire they are pretty much all the same units but different ascetics

>>183994053
And that's worse than a daemon focussed game with 4 same-y factions?

>>183994274
No, not really.

>>183994257
bretonnia looks like best korea, honestly.

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>>183993631
Yeah, seems like a common trope, but I can't help but love your average joe winning sometimes against all odds.

Man, I adore Halberdiers. That charge resist against all trait, AP, pretty good stats with Honest Steel general perks and they become something fantastic.

Good job lads.

>>183994294
Kislev is a major faction, why would they make it a Pre-Order DLC if making WoC one already pissed off leagues of people?

>>183994331
Chaos dwarves are gonna be somethin special if you believe dawi zar posters!

>>183994397

Yes.

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>>183993870
>and I'll never ever find the source
Etheross.

>>183994368
You can make them play rather differently with all the units they'd create

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>>183994416

DAWI ZHARR

>>183994484
Thankyou fellow child of Norsca, you have done me a privilege of the dark prince

>>183994516
So if I want to buy your vision of Warhammer I'd have the whopping choice between Chaos, Chaos, Chaos and Chaos?

Game will be boring without neutral and good factions.

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>>183994569
Compensating for something?

>>183994127

That anon was incorrect.

In the tabletop, you were required to have at least 1 Lore of Vampires caster as Vampire Counts, or 1 Lore of Nehekara caster as Tomb Kings.

Undead take morale checks as normal, but instead of running away, they take extra damage depending on how much they fail by.

The moment you have 0 Lore of Vampire of Lore of Nehekara casters on the battlefield, every undead unit on the battlefield begins suffering extra damage on every turn of the game.

This did not extend to Vampiric Units such as Varghulf's, Vargheists, Blood Knights or any Vampire Lords or heroes. CA didn't seem to care to implement this, however.

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Anyone bought 2 already for Norsca? Where did you get it? Steam seems to be the only place that gives you the key right now, others I checked ship only on 28th September. And steam is expenisve as fuck.

Who does the AI rearrange it's units in sieges all the damn time? Empire was the same.

>>183993224
Yeah that makes sense. And just to clear up any confusion I don't hate the Empire or think they're shit because of that. They're still my favorite faction. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing out on some cool bit of lore.

>>183994727
The thing that bothers me the most is that necromancers crumble.

Makes no sense yo

>>183994331
Chorfs have a bunch of hobgoblins units and less of the steampunk stuff. Kislev is Cav focussed unlike the empire. Why are you talking out of your ass?

>>183994410
No they are not. There are 16 major factions. Even before the success of this game, they were committed to putting all 16 in. We have 8 at the moment and TWII will put in another 4 to make 12.

Major Factions in or coming
>Empire
>Dwarfs
>Orcs and Goblins
>Vampire Counts
>Bretonnia
>Warriors of Chaos
>Beastmen
>Wood Elves
>High Elves
>Dark Elves
>Lizardmen
>Skaven

To be added
>Tomb Kings
>Chaos Daemons
>Chaos Dwarfs
>Ogre Kingdoms

With Kislev, CA is likely to do the same with Norsca and make it a pre-order but also allow you to buy it separately for the first game.

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>>183994737

I preordered 2 through Bundlestars and just got Norsca with it. It just appeared in my DLC when Norsca was revealed. I could have gotten it cheaper but Bundlestars is one of Segas approved resellers, so I went with them.

>>183994842
Araby tho?

Was it confirmed that SFO author is a liberal cuck?

>>183994803
Necromancers are also immune to crumbling on the Tabletop for obvious reasons.

The idea that Mannfred Von Carstein would start falling apart is asinine. Skeletons and Zombies are kept together and moving by constant magic, Vampires are not.

>>183994916
No, he's /ourguy/

at least he was until he added those shitty units

>>183994916

Wasn't it that he was pretty right wing?

>>183994842
Kislev is Norsca for WH3.

>>183994737
r/GameDeals/comments/6p1byv/2gamecom_total_war_warhammer_ii_steam_2984_27_off/

I bought from here for 39$ got the Norsca as well

>>183994963
Yeah, I mean I understand why they did it, but I'd have preferred to see it more lore-friendly.

>>183994737
I'm gonna buy through steam solely because with the last game they eventually gave a free dota 2 chest to everyone that pre ordered. was able to sell that on the marketplace for $20. Might be a chance they do it again.

>>183994916

Opposite, he's subbed to actual, unironic nazis on Youtube.

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Two more weeks until Norsca...

Two
More
Weeks

I must stay strong.

>>183994989
honestly only the WE units and the Bretonnian "crossbowmen" needs to be removed. God-gors and Sigmarite Units are fun and niche.

>>183994915
Tomb Kings, Araby and Dogs of War will make it in the second game.

Tomb Kings and Araby are the top of the Southlands and Dogs of War were seen in Lustria with Pirazzo's Lost Legion. Dogs of War could be used for Rogue Armies and for expanding the Southern Realms so they were expand the game on multiple fronts.

>>183994815
>empire isn't cav focused
>empire knights
>knights of the blazing sun
>reiksguard
>Demigryphs
>pistoliers
>outriders

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>Malekith and Morathi can be at war

I can't wait to hear all the banter in the diplomacy screen.

>>183995121

I hate when this happens. I feel no reason to start any campaigns knowing new content is around the corner.

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>>183995048
Noice, thanks anon

>>183995161

>Morathi offers peace
>"Are you finished with your tantrum, boy?"

>>183994915
Araby is not a major faction same with Kislev.
Araby has a shot at making it into the game though...a better one then cathay at least.

>>183994916
Doesn´t matter what he is, the mod got worse.

>>183995147

The Footknights need to go.

>>183994989
>>183995009
>>183995084
Good. Now we can safely play SFO and prepare for the upcoming race war.

>>183995161
I'm pretty okay with this "every LL is its own faction" meta that they started in Wood Elf DLC. Wouldn't it be great when you start with Volkmar your faction's name changes to "Cult of Sigmar" or when you play with Morgur you actually play as "Warherd of the Shadowgave"?

/r/ing skarsnik x lady of the lake fapfic

>>183995350

>Now we can safely play SFO

Lemme think about it: NO

>>183994842
Minor factions with a good chance of being added:
Kislev
Dogs of war/estalia/tilea/border princes some kind of makeover
Araby
Vampire Coast

Minor factions with small chance of some kind of representation:
Amazons
Halflings
Cathay

No chance:
Ind
Nippon
Pygmies
Fimir should've been here but we've been pleasantly surprised

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>>183995350
dibs on killing every russian scumbag.

>>183995384
I have absolutely no idea why the Beastmen LL's aren't separate factions considering they all have unique starting areas.

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>>183995238
>Malekith kills Morathi in a battle
>'the Whoresbane' is added to his name

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>2019
>Warhammer 3 is released
>Empire still only has 3 LL and starts in Altdorf
>still no Marius "Halfling Holocaust" Leitdorf
>still no Boris "REMOVE BEASTMEN" Todbringer
>still no Valmir "I rape Norscan babies" Von Raukov
>still no Theoderic "Just cuck my shit up" Gausser

>>183994916
Who cares? Like 80% of westerners, including us, are liberal in one form or another. Just let him do his mod

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Eheh nice meme CA

Huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nRuP-g3Dw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiFYHix5k34

>>183995459

Marius is all I want

>>183995508
t. Liberal cuck

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>>183995508
Now this is some fine bait.

>>183995459
I hope a FLC for 1/2 is that all of the Empire states become playable. You don't have to make all of the lords for them a unique as say Karl Franz but at least them being playable would be enough.

>>183995350
Since when is /twg a hideout for /pol and /gsg/ cancer?

>>183995459
And it's going to be fucking hilarious.

>>183995590

since forever newfag

>>183995165
do a mini campaign as they wont change. :^)

>>183995350
>>183994916
this is not /gsg/ you Arch Warhammer fan autist.

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>>183995549
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=904487915
You can have a discount version of him. But seriously, that's a fantastic mod that gives personality to various Elector Counts and some random horsefuckers from Bretonnia.

>>183995508
>being liberal in 2017

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>doing one of Belegars quests
>focus my veteran Rangers and Quarellers on a Giant
>they drop in less than 30 seconds

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War with the Nervii continues. Boii are fighting them in the East while they've just had a full stack eat shit against an Iceni ambush.

Pictones armies got gangbanged by Carnutes and Namnetes but the perfidious Demetae came out of nowhere to steal the territory.

>>183995680
>buying into right-wing meme in 2017
I wonder how many idiots got cucked by society after revealing their true colours.

>>183995571
Kiddo, it's true. Unless you go by the retarded anerican definition of liberal but only retards do this, right?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1082974790

>>183995680
>Not being either Stalinist or Juche in 2017 :^)

>>183995750

>DUMnonii

wew

>>183995769
Liberalism is really a dead ideology, people want change too much.

>>183995024
Exactly. Both a pre-order for TWW3 and a separate buy for the first game.

>>183995807
>lefties=liberals

Okay now I've seen it all

>>183995807
last time I checked it was the jews, man get your shit together you racist fucks

>>183995904
Meaning of liberalism has been completely co-opted to mean left wing these days.

gas the je.. Rats !

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>>183995567
>>183995680
>>183995807
>>183995857
>buying into Russian divide and conquer meme and splitting the Great Western world
J U S T

>>183995938

jews are the ultimate foe, sort of like the lords of an army
the zombies are progressives and refugee enablers

>>183995991
americans did this, no one in europe would think of a liberal as a leftie

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>it's a /twg/ turns into /pol/ episode

And I thought history fags were obnoxious.

>>183995991
In America maybe.

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This fucking thread right now

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>>183994087
>>183993987
I share your pain.

it's always the jews guys
just remember that it's always
the jews

>>183995991
Only in the US my man.
Not that it matters though the US sytstem has neither a hard right nor a hard left.

>>183996248
>not the Germans
Wew

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>"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for human children."

wtf I hate franz now

>>183995680
>>183995769
>>183995807
>>183995857
>>183995904
>>183995938
>>183995991
After I have incited the hatred here and successfully disrupted the peace in /twg general, I am feeling like a Tzeentch himself.

>>>/pol/

>>183996197
>horseshoe

Mother of bait

>>183996304
What a bigot we need to invite the beastmen into our cities

>>183994727
So how is it in the vidya? Kill the leaders and every zombie/skellies crumbles or just becomes super fragile?

>>183996328
thanks, that's my favorite board

>>183996328
I really like that place, makes me think deeply about the state of our society

>>183993870
put etheross in google

>>183996328

you can't close your eyes to /pol/ if /pol/ is reality

>>183996197

>American politics

So will we see Kislev this year or next year?

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>tfw no lotr total war

>>183995434
A good list, agree with most it.

Kislev will pre-order for game 3. Dogs of War/Southern Realms and Araby will be game 2. I would also add Amazons and Halfings to Dogs of War/Southern Realms as they would fit that army list.

Fimir were amazing to see. Pygmies have no chance. Ind, Nippon and Cathay have left me 50/50. There is some really old stuff in Critical Journal (same used for Norsca) but we don't know what the map for TWW3 will look like. It is a standalone so we will have to wait (we were surprised to see the Southlands so don;t forget that).

Vampire Coast is 50/50 as well. I know they have a custom army list in White Dwarf but is it custom enough for a dlc? As CA only has one major faction for the second game, Vampire Coast could make so will have to see.

>>183992612
How will the Skaven start in TW:WH2?

Skavenblight is literally in the Old World.

>>183995434
>Thinking Halflings have a better chance than Nippon

Am I being memed?

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Grace is the only true ideology!

>>183996584
LOTR is a meme franchise that spergs enjoy

Warhammer does literally everything LOTR does, better

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>>183993224
>I think one of the motifs of the empire is have brass balls even though you are relatively weak and insignificant. Doing your part even though you will die, the strength of the human spirit, the endurance of the Empire. It wouldn't really make sense if there was an upper class of super powered "people who are better".
pic related is a pretty good summary of what the Empire is all about.

>>183996642
Except good written characters

>>183996642
tolkien shaped fantasy as we know it today

nice universe that's not a copy of real life
>inb4 acchually it's a satire

I get that you like warhammer, but lotr is much better objectively

>>183996751
>tfw they blew it all up for planar pockets

>>183996819
>>183996836
it's boring as fuck.

>>183996584

Oh jolly, will there be a several pages long dump of history every turn? Maybe even a song?

>>183995257
Don't mention that to SFO guy. He will get triggered, reference a 20 year old outdated piece of retconned lord, and ban you from the steam page.

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>>183995663
>likes unicorns
Does he secretly want to be the little girl? That can be arranged.

>>183996972
Maybe if you 12

>>183996836
>tolkien shaped fantasy
Sure, but people took his ideas and improved upon them

>The Elder Scrolls
>Warhammer Fantasy
>The Witcher (to a degree)

All of those are objectively more interesting and fun to read/play/etc

>>183996996

Didn't he actually fight an imagined invasion of unicorns.

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Is Shogun 2 any good?

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>>183996584
hey atleast we have shadow of mordor

>>183996973
I don't get it, would you not like a song? We should be so lucky that they put in the effort to give us songs. You should thank BASED CA if they gave you some nice tolkien songs.

>>183996584
LOTR would be great to see but getting the rights off the Tolkien estate might be a problem.

Also, the game might be too much of the same as in Warhammer, every faction has a reason to fight every other faction. Hell, every faction has a reason to fight themselves in civil wars and such.

LOTR is different as it is more binary and black and white with a 'Good vs Evil'. There is potential though if it was made.

>>183994331
>Norsca is just reskinned WoC
>High Elves are just reskinned Wood Elves
>Dark Elves are just reskinned High Elves

>>183997158
Shogun 2 is the best history Warscape, so yes

Don't expect unit variety however

>>183997158
Who are they and why are they walking in wedge formation?

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>>183996197
>Americans in charge of understanding and classifying political ideologies
Just stay in your containment continent and don't try to poison the politics of countries that will still be around in another 10 centuries.

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>just got crowned King of Gondor
>start fucking singing some gay song

Was it autism?

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>>183996153

these same autismos were shitting up the 40k general, now they are doing it here

they are a serious stain on the warhammer community

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>>183997158

Most polished title in the series

Best music too

>>183997258
The Genocide Deniers

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>>183994569

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>>183997167
>LOTR is different as it is more binary and black and white with a 'Good vs Evil'.

>>183994963
The worst part is that in the early gameplay footage they showed a Varghulf routing while the rest of the army crumbled.

>>183997314

/tv/ please go

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>>183997306
>France
>Around in 10 centures
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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MAMMOTH

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>>183997320
>Best Soundtrack
>Not Rome 1

Shogun 2 has some damn good music though.

>>183997317
>despotic genocidal space nazi empire attracts that kind of people
Nothing surprising here

>>183997217
Norseca and CW have a different play style, same with high elfs and WE. Don't know about HE and DE yet

any oldfigs here have that picture from Shogun 2 where there's a haiku that reads:

>Summer ends, fall comes
>Gook settles down into earth
>Ching chang chong bing bong

>>183997518
And so do dorfs and chorfs.

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>>183996836
>nice universe that's not a copy of real life
The Shire is literally pic related. Isengard was literally Birmingham. Southern lands were the Ottoman Empire. Hill people were Croats. Dwarves were Prussians.

At least Warhammer Fantasy has the decency to call Japan Nippon.

>>183996601
Mainly made the list on my own bias of what's essential and unique to warhammer.

I think vampire coast (and official mousillon too) would be cool but VC have so much representation already so I don't mind them too much.
Nippon cant get in without Cathay being in by way of map layout, which is why i rule them out. I have no clue about Ind but I imagine elephants and some whacky vishnu types. When I think warhammer I don't think Ind or Nippon and the only thing that makes me think Cathay is there history with Ogres plus they'd be a nice area to end the map.

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Halflings and Ogres make good bedfellows so I figure they might get implementation in game 3

My greatest fear for this series is that they just keep haphazardly slapping shit together as they've done with the DLC for game 1 and it doesn't feel like a cohesive game at the end of it all. AI not tailored to factions to make them work properly, factions not behaving how they should, beastmen and chaos continuing to be useless. Or worse yet the 3 games don't tie in together properly at all and we've got 2 minute turn times with buggy shit happening.
If they pull this off it will be one of the greatest gaming achievements of all time though i feel.