/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Hellcrawl is pretty lit, it actually makes playing crawl exciting and suspenseful as opposed to the complete and utter snoozefest that vanilla crawl is.

>>183403787
What's different between Hellcrawl and regular Crawl? I've only played vanilla 0.20 Crawl.

>>183403787
yeah I played it too the other day and I really love that streamlined experience

>>183404160
How's it streamlined? I just learned the manual skill allocation tech, and it's pretty tedious and annoying to do, usually.

<Coolthulhu>build of the game with fixed aiming math: https://github.com/Coolthulhu/Cataclysm-DDA/releases/download/untagged-d20f3c06e42c10ee13f7/cataclysmdda-0.C.zip

>>183404158
stairs are basically hatches, once you're on a floor you can't go back up. This punishes you pretty heavily for sloppy play, and makes bad encounters pretty interesting to play out since you can't just retreat to a staircase and stairdance for eternity anymore.

No lair or orc, dungeon goes to 15 where you can choose between orc, vaults, or depths which all contain certain rune branches and all link between each other. And, the magic background spells got changed quite heavily, especially AE.

>>183404561
Can I get a download link or link to all the changes it's made from the main branch?

>>183403927
Oneyplays a roguelike when?

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>>183404967
all the changes are in the first post of this thread IIRC
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21527

It's playable on the berotato and project357 servers(CBRO and CPO) but it does have a github page.

Also, on another note, I've never had this mutation before. I guess a free +10 AC is nice on top of the +4 AC I already have. Now my defence are looking pretty nice for ring mail.

What a noble sacrifice!

Reminder that pretty much nothing you post here requires a trip code to confirm your identity. No one checks trips to verify anyhow.

>>183407578
dont bully iadev

>>183407578
You must be new here.

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>>54444444
Now that's a get and a half. Anyway, I came across this pack of enemies. Right off the bat I can tell enemy spawns and dungeon generation seem very different, and the lack of identifying and hunger is much appreciated. Both were features I'm happy were kept out of this fork.

>>183408168
>get impersonated once
>wear a trip for years when making irrelevant posts
He's better than this.

>>183407578
reminder that using a tripcode to post shit like official game releases is totally kosher
it is haraam to keep the trip to post in other threads or post about things unrelated to its original purpose though

>>183407731
IA Dev is for praise, not for bully.

>>183408326
>Search Fireden
>No results
?????

>>183403585
Surely penisperson will come now that there is a new IA release.

In other news, why doesn't Coolthulu just rape the Kevin by forking the repo?

>>183408669
/vg/ has no dubs except 0s
also that isn't even close to a recent vg post number, it's probably from another board and anon just cant into 4chan

>>183408669
I just checked Fireden, too, it was a Cirnoposter saying something about forgetting something on a /tg/ about maps and graffiti in the ancient world, so nothing that'll be missed that much.

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Reminder to always check spider basements when you can.

>>183408895
the cirnoposter who scripts for dubs in /a/ also posts in /tg/?
hmmm

>>183408843

Here it is >>>/tg/54444444

>>183408326
Gr shouldn't have much trouble until vaults, that's where the assfucking begins in hellcrawl since you will likely have no MR boosting items and marking means you will end up fighting the entire floor without any means of stairdancing or resting until the mark goes away.

Literally nothing on the keyboard will scroll crafting descriptions when examining a recipe. Great job.

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First two wins in a row in a while.

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Just made it to the sixth floor. Is anyone else playing this?

Do multiple pieces of equipment with *Corrode give you a higher chance of getting corroded?

>>183412287
yes

>>183411367
What game is that?

>inb4 hownew.ru
Very.

>>183413717
pokemon murder simulator 2016

>>183413717
Demon

>>183412287
Yes, each one gets its own roll

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When my char killed that Mi-Go commander and he dropped his fancy suit, I got the message depicted on the screenshot. Char did not wore a Mi-Go armor at that time and, of course, did not tried to take it off. Possible bug?

>>183411650
>it costs money
Doubt many others would play it here tbqh desu.

>>183414316
I'd interpret this as the armor having attacked you, but I might be saying bullshit.

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Boggarts are some bullshit.

>>183414316
Oh crap - yeah that's a bug. Thanks.

So there's definitely gonna be a v19.1.

>>183416664
>picking chei in hellcrawl
brave man

>>183416817
Can you also fix the thing with enemies being able to lock into your position after using teleport?

>>183417827
I guess a quick fix could be that teleporting causes all monsters to forget the player (unless you teleport to another position within their FOV).

>>183414782
It's yarrable. i'm going to give it a spin when I'm done with cdda again.

>>183418336
Can I get a quick rundown of it? The minion system seems good from the one screenshot I saw.

>>183418254
Yeah, or even having them remain in the alert state for X amount of turns if it's doable (so that they would be incapable of knowing your position, but would not immediately regress to blue-background mode)

>>183418541
The problem with that is that the AI is really simplistic - if they are "aware", they know where you are, and will try to move to you.

Although when I think about it - this should just be a matter of adding another state:
"aware, but not allowed to use pathfinding to reach the player".

>>183419217
No I mean, you know when they become "wary"? They could get into that state without knowing where you are right?
Or, if ti's not very big deal, adding that other state would be ebst indeed.

>>183419701
I see. I did think you meant the "wary" state first, but in that state they still have blue background, so then I assumed you meant "more aware than that".

I'll probably just set them to the "wary" state for 19.1, and look into adding more states later.

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I really dislike Saint Roka. I killed every enemy on the floor except for them, I should have just left the area, I think. Fault is all mine, shouldn't have been greedy.

what's the best ghostbuster combo in crawl, now that dispel undead is gone?
I've left one too many minotaur fighters in the dungeon and I'd really like to get rid of them while soaking up the delicious free XP.
Berserkers work well, but I don't really want to produce even more gozu meelee ghosts.

>Got a new computer a while back
>Hadn't played Crawl in a while
>Download and make a human fighter, just for the hell of it
>Got to the second floor, didn't find much on the first floor
>While I'm searching around "You fell through a hole in the floor"
>Oh shit! okay... Gotta make my way back upstairs
>Take a few steps
>"You fell through a hole in the floor"
>Immediately get swarmed by all kinds of shit.
>Barely survive the encounter
>I try to rest, but a rat fuckin' comes out of nowhere and deals the 2 damage needed to kill me

SO I'M A LITTLE RUSTY, OKAY?!

>>183421565
>implying random shafts have anything to do with skill

That's one of the most bullshit mechanics of crawls.

>>183421197
ghosts just disappear if you literallywalkaway from them and end up dying on any floor other than the one they live on
so anything other than naga

>>183411650
I'm playing it right now, item world is buggy as fuck
It's cool that they borrowed a concept from Disgaea though

>>183408989
>nuke
>made of 2 tin cans, 1 grenade, 1 plutonium cell, 1 battery, and 1 power converter

>>183422067
is that a new mechanic? I thought they always persisted if you didn't clear them, seems like I thought wrong.

It kind of got a bit too much for me after some back-to-back spooky encounters on three floors, my potions of berserk rage are limited.

>>183422634
they disappear the moment they spawn
but when you die, a new ghost file is created that includes your current character plus all ghosts on the same level
so a ghost can only stick around if you die on the floor it lives on

>>183422941
are you telling me... that I have to... literally walk away? roguelike strategy is rough, man.

>Look for an atomic coffee maker
>Can't find one
>Look for a Rivtech design binder to get the recipe
>Search an entire lab
>Crack open several bank vaults
>Can't find one
Should I just debug it?

How do I get camera systems to work in cataclysm?
I have cameras set up. I have a camera control system set up. The cameras are not linked to the camera control system for SOME REASON, and I don't know how to link them.

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>>183423250
Yeah, if you want to be the sort of person who has to resort to cheating at DDA.

Most common place to find one is coffee shop, I think. Or start with electronics 3 for the recipe.

>>183423727
There is no need to link anything, but you need to be standing on the tile with the system for it to provide vision.

>>183424297
you may also have to turn the cameras on at the vehicle controls

What music do you guys listen to while playing?

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Jesus christ, how many children can they FIT into a school?
This took me all goddamn night.

>>183425647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx6xnVQuFzw

pretty much any rap song with a hard beat

>>183425647
Stoner rock or black metal usually

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>>183425647
i listen to podcasts

>>183425647
https://youtu.be/DZ_RQWxGBS0?list=PLZqsyBiYZFQ3I4SwtBLnQCKdLSNU5tXTu

don't tell /mu/

>>183425647
>not playing in silence, in true autist form

>>183425771
Don't go to schools. There is literally never anything worth it in them.

>>183428505
I'm -trying- to clear out the zombies from the area.
It's just jesus christ this school is packed.

>>183428505
They have a pretty big library.

>>183428505
They have the largest guaranteed collection of books. What more could you want out of a building?

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>tfw see a Mind Eater
>Ok, that sounds dangerous, I'm going to gain some distance first
>It's faster than me even though I'm Lithe
>FUCK
>Throw what I can at it
>Too late
>Get literally stunlocked and mindraped
>Over the course of 50 turns insanity shoots up from 5% to 70%
>SEVENTY PERCENT
Jesus fucking christ.

>>183420356
Learn to manipulate your LOS. Saint Roka will destroy you with his crossbow and smiting if you try to walk at/near/around him with Chei.

>>183430431
Smite and the crossbow hurt so much, I'll try to learn how to do that. Was Chei a mistake?

>>183425647
Cata now has music packs, so that. I used to use streamed dark ambient but it was buggy and crashed my browser a lot.

What are some fun things to do with land mines in cataclysm?
I've gotten the ability to steal them, but I don't have anything to steal them... for.

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:thinking:

>>183434681
What's the difference between a cheerful and a non-cheerful monster?

>>183435214
That's not a monster it's a perfectly normal statue.

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>pet ancient gold dragon kills a monster
>level up
>evolve into a subrace that cannot summon dragons
why do you do this to me, video game

i'm still not sure which quylthulg flavors are the best mostly because i keep splatting around level 30, but i know dragon summons are the most consistently good with no chance of getting giant useless packs of blue horrors or ghouls

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>Finally get started on blob vehicles
>Growing blob frame grew into gelatinous mass after 3 days
>Recipe was too expensive, don't want to keep making frames and waiting 3 days for a full vehicle
>Gelatinous mass can be disassembled into 2 growing gelatinous masses that finish in 3 hours

>>183430578
A big mistake in a game with no upstairs, it's obviously still winnable though.

Next time, go for gods with immediate benefit(e.g. Hep,Gozag,Ru) to bail you out of bad spots.

Is brogue fucking winnable at all if you don't get lucky on the first few floors? It seems like if you don't have good gear by dar blademaster depth you'll get torn to shreds every single time.

>>183436718
Winnable in a strict mathematical sense: no
Probably winnable if you've been grinding a single dungeon generation seed in order to do it opimally: yes
Reasonably winnable on your first try of that particular seed with a player who has gotten experience running other seeds: no

>>183434681
What game?

>>183437648
Looks like mpapseudoelliposchengbandR.

>>183437412
>grinding a single dungeon generation seed

literally not a roguelike

>>183438184
it's pseudoellimpaposchengband-R you degenerate

>>183438286
My bad, didnt remember exactly.

>>183436321
Fill it with blob feed and activate it. You probably want to do this in a basement.

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This is a ridiculous amount of zombies to come out of that bowling alley.

Default spawn rate by the way.

/rldg/

Post ideas for roguelike games or features in roguelike games so that devs can make it possible for you to play them.

>>183440995
More like /rligg/

>>183441070
I have a great idea for a roguelike but I'm not telling anyone
It'll be a smash hit and make millions

>>183440995
I want a cyberpunk roguelike

>>183439813
You mean fill the gelatinous mass? Will that give more frames?

>>183442256
What does that even mean? Like with Shadowrun where you explore a dungeon and fight orcs who use magic against you?

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shit shit shit shit

>>183443450
What tileset is that?

>>183443880
Mshock32modded

>>183443098
>orc and magic
Well if the orcs are genetically modified humans and magic is actually high tech stuff I guess yes

>>183440524
How do I make my font look nice and smooth like yours?

Is it true that ponyposter/furfag finally committed suicide after failing MuMo again?

>>183447012
I feel that he simply posts far less often these days.

>>183447012
No, he succeeded and then killed himself because the guy who maintained the MuMo image didn't add him to the winner's list.

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>>183442568
>>183439813
>Multiplying Gelatinous Mass
>Gives 10+ gelatinous masses
wtf i love blobs now

IADev how do I shot gun

>>183451219
Press "f" for fire, press f again to confirm shot I think. Press "r" to reload gun, too.

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I think I broke something.

how many people here have completed a nethack run?

>>183452956
neva eva

>>183452956
I have never finished it. I played it back in the day on Amiga, I don't remember which version it was but that was before it started to require a HD. I'm old. And I think I got back to astral planes at some point but that was it. Later on I've played it for years and years now and then but I have gradually lost the feeling how it felt to play the game and be IN there. I haven't read any spoilers to be honest. So I have never done it. I suck as roguelike player though. But the most I enjoyed NH was during Amiga days when it was still bit mysterious.

I don't even know how much stuff they have added since it feels like not that much. I think it was version 2.8 or 3.0 but I'm not sure. I have lost the loving feeling towards games as I got old. [/end blog]

>>183453332
Wait, I think I'm wrong. It was probably 3.0 version. It fit on one 3.5" disk.

>>183453665
I also recommend using Dos port of the game as the Windows graphical version sucks ass. I like to use tiles from time to time but I can't stand the white background color of NH windows version along with some other stupid things.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/40w2sp/msdos_port_restored/

>>183453134
>>183453332
I vanquished every enemy, was ractically unkillable getting instant surround spawns on the earth plane and winning

then died because I forgot to genocide cockatrices and a yendorian soldier happened to be next to it's corpse.

Haven't played it since them, but I refuse to play any roguelike until I finish this.

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>>183454258
Forgot image. Dosbox with scanline shader.

>>183454620
thanks for the reminder that I need to check on my CRT, I hope it isn't dead

>>183447406
He was already on the list. He wanted to be on the list twice.

>>183452956
I ascended the D:1 upstairs with a fake amulet as a dorf valkyrie.

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Angband 3.0.6 was the latest I could find for DOS. Such a shame.

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>>183453134
to elaborate and pad this thread a little more;
I've been trying to wrap my head around NH since getting it on some shovelware disc when I was a child, but I barely knew that you could even go down stairs.
played a couple dozen runs every other year when I remembered that the game existed, but the list of commands is still intimidating to me to this day. the tiles and fake 3d stuff is pretty though.

I won a MiFi once, I'm good at roguelikes, r-right?

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It took me over 100 turns of punching to kill this idiot.

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Good Lord. An early impundulu is one thing, and this is another.

Amusingly enough, I do have a bronze offering. How broken! Maybe it can become my healer.

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Nethack dos port is million times better than the Windows shit.

>>183459102
>tiles over ascii
>meme filter
looks worse imo

>>183459102
>>183459974
I really like the tiles and meme filter tbqh.

How many wandering mushrooms should I have on me as a rather frail Fedhas worshipper? I don't want so many that they just all die and cost me piety.

>>183460372
How good is your invocations skill? Either way, early on they're very strong anyway but they lose usefulness over time, and you'd probably would want to go for the other abilities by then.

>>183460372
one (1)
they can make a limited number of attacks before they just die, so don't use them to fight all the tab fodder you meet
but don't hesitate kite anything dangerous/threatening over to your shroom buddy

>>183459974
I'm also playing with PS4 controller. It's doable with autohotkey macros.

>>183460372
2 is the most you should have on any character.

>>183460503
Are his other abilities even that useful outside of setting up killzones on branch ends?

I don't have enough fruit to set up oklob zones on every floor, and the spore ability requires enemies to already be dead.

>>183460854
You still gotta have your own character being capable of killing, of course. The spore ability can ravage the lair branches with ease, for example. Oklobs should be for special occasions, I'd figure.

>>183460854
spore is bretty good for fighitng huge walls of meat at chokepoints like in Orc

sunlight is 0piety so you can spam it all the time for accuracy or invis detection

>Become thirsty
>Become hungry while going to the river
>Become thirsty while going to the grocery store

>>183461995
Which game?

>>183461995
have you ever heard of containers, anon
they are a magical invention that lets you drink water WITHOUT being at the river

>>183461995
>get two gallon jugs
>never need water again until winter
Or just boil toilet water. If you've managed to get into town enough to get to a grocery store, you really shouldn't have issues with water.

>>183440524
What game is this?

>>183462893
cataclysm: dark days ahead
(turn back now)

>>183462982
But I want to fight zombies.

>>183463024
we all do, but does the end really justify the means? the fursuit and dildo-packed means?

>>183463169
I'm sorry but I have no other choice.

Did they do something about ranged accuracy inDDA? I feel like playing a wanderer innawoods so Ill need archery to not be useless

>>183464281
there is a build with supposedly fixed aiming near the top of the thread

>>183463476
godspeed anon, be careful

>>183464493
Thanks

>>183435214
All statues are cheerful. Except those of Bull Gates which are shameful, and sanity-blasters are fearful or something.

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>You can create a dimension in order to store more stuff

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>>183467314
>Still has weight limit

>>183430052
Mind Eaters are a little unbalanced honestly.

>>183467314
Did you cheat or just got extremely lucky? Literally no point to put it on a cart

Damn, mulassa makes for such a broken early-nab ally.

>>183468975
Went to a lab looking for recipe books, found a portal generator in a crate, and later made the cargo dimension with it. What's a better place to put it?

Shady zombies are bullshit. I don't mind the idea of something sometimes forcing stealthy non-fighters away from an area, but the fuckers are everywhere so you have to be able to kill them.

>>183471017
You wont be able to move it when its too heavy, put on a real vehicle

>>183471404
I just disable them, I dont even know why they wanted to stop us from raiding at night

>>183471017
in the back of your surivor meme rv next to the welder, the minifridge, and the 5 different vehicle-mounted crafting sets

>>183471582
The typical process of adding something to CDDA goes like this:
>I want something
>it sounds fun to me
>let's add it the simplest way possible
Notably absent in changes from most authors are:
>it should make gameplay more like x and less like y
>if the player does z, the gameplay will go more w
This is why mugling's aiming is so much better than Kevin's and why you should play the build linked in the thread instead of official ones. Mugling actually put thought into gameplay with that one change.

Here's the PR:
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/14322
tl;dr It doesn't really have anything about night raiding in it, at least from author

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What game allows me to play as a Lizardman or even better start as a human and later transform into lizardman?

>Cataclysm: Cool Days Ahead
>a fork by Coolthulu
YES
FINALLY

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>>183473735
coolthulu days ahead

>>183473597
You can be a dragon-man in Crawl.

>>183473597
incursion
poschengband
adom

>transform into
is this for /d/ purposes

>>183473597
>start as a human and later transform into lizardman
Cataclysm : Cool Days Ahead

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>>183474046
>is this for /d/ purposes
No, just think that lizardmen are cool and want my character to become one.
What game from your list allows transformation specifically?

>>183474123
none of them

well in poscheng you can play as a doppleganger and shapeshift into both humans and tonberries (the lizardman race)

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>>183474186
I see. IT is a shame really.
But thank you anyway

Any good, lengthy roguelikes out there with no hunger in them? I dislike this mechanic very much, one of the reasons I've stopped playing dcss.

>>183474716
ToME has no hunger clock at all
>good
Nah, roguelikes are all only as good as you enjoy them.

>>183474774
Thanks, I know about ToME and Dungeonmans, but I can't seem to find anything else.

>>183425647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJw8DYCEOHk

>>183474716
Please don't restrict yourself with this issue. Managing hunger is pretty simple and not tedious at all.

Also try Infra Arcana and Brogue as well, they are both really nice games.

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100 % guaranteed success or your gold back.

>>183476406
Are YOU Mac The Knife himself?

>>183476674

In the flesh, old pal

>>183476406
This is shit

>>183476910
What other vidya goes besides soup? I picked up Nethack and even after not playing it for over year again it feels soo familiar. I always die in some stupid way, like eating a rotten ettin corpse. I'm always barbarian so poisoning is not an issue but I died anyway.

dead?

>>183471582
I'm a code tard, would you mind uploading or screenshotting your mod for getting rid of these things?

>>183479858
>look up the "disable acid zeds" mod
>copy it
>look up data/json/monsters.json and find shady zed
>copy shady zed's id and add it to the mod
>remove acid zed ids from the list
>rename the mod and give it a different id
>add the mod's id to save/[yoursave]/mods.json list

>>183472897
>and spawns about as regularly as the smoker zombie.
Riiight.

>>183480010
>add the mod's id to save/[yoursave]/mods.json list
Excellent, I thought I'd have to start a fresh game. Thanks anon.

>The page 10 comes into view

>>183452956
I even managed to lose the game in explorer mode.

>>183468932
Yeah, I'm struggling to see what the strategy is besides "kill it before it closes in", which is... honestly kinda difficult because they've got a decent to high amount of HP.

>>183476373
Managing hunger in Brogue may not be tedious, but it's still a massive pain in the ass to starve to death because you missed one mango behind a secret door, then took five hundred extra turns to solve the issue of an OOD monster guarding the stairs.

IA's system is pretty fantastic but the game isn't much longer than Brogue.

>>183482335
>Implying page 10 isn't the lowest depth, with terrain such as "patches of inactivity" and monsters such as "deadposters"

ten

>>183476373
DCSS hunger clock is aids
>player character is a picky eater and doesn't obey the player's commands
>spell hunger epik elegant and tactical game mechanic xD

Does council exist in hellcrawl or am i just unlucky and never got an altar?

>>183482335
You die..

>>183487753
The only time I ever had an issue with hunger in dcss was as a SpGl who got zapped by a polywand-toting gnoll on D:6 and picked up berserking. And the dungeon had no food shops and not much actual food. Even then, it was manageable after a long run through the abyss.

It's still a turd of a mechanic and entirely pointless in crawl, which is why I usually play spriggans. IA is the only game I can think of that does it right.

>find gun safe
>never even bothered trying to pick one before
>maybe it trains mechanical though?
>smash shelving, make improvised lockpick
>safe opens first attempt with mech 3 lolwat
I'd have been even more impressed if the owner hadn't decided that securing an empty blackpowder pouch was more important than securing any of the assault rifles, shotguns, or pistols he left lying around.

literally no one posting

>>183490632
Don't gun safes need electrohacks?

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>And it appears unnervingly willing to accommodate you...
L-lewd...

>>183494043
Some do, there are three types of safes.

>plain "safe": opened with stethoscope
>gun safe: opened with lockpick
>electronic gun safe: opened with electrohack
You can also jackhammer the plain ones, and a sledgehammer can open at least the first two (probably the electronic as well, but I've never had the chance to try).

>>183474716
Hunger is completely worthless in crawl, the only times you would struggle with that is on a meme conduct run like Tr^Gozag or being a spriggan spellcaster.

>>183496672
>spriggan spellcaster
>meme conduct run
They're smart and good at spellcasting, it's not a conduct at all.

>>183496672
Can hunger even actually kill you? Even while getting ganked by multiple hungry ghosts I still only fainted instead of dying.

>Very Hungry
>eat 4 hamburgers
>still Hungry
I see why it's set in America.

>>183497209
WORKING AS INTENDED

>>183496975
the conduct run was Tr^gozag famalam, spriggan casters are still pretty shite due to the micromanagement and not being able to use certain spells because of the hunger cost.
>>183497171
it kills you after fainting IIRC.

>teleport and narrowly escape death with barely any hp left
>get put into the middle of a pool of water with electric eels
oh fuck off

>>183497209
It's actually four quarters of a hamburger. A lot of the multiportion foods used to be one, but were split up to make it easier to eat them without going over the food cap.

>>183497943
Spell hunger reduction is spellcasting * int so a high-int, high-spellcasting race like Spriggan has zero problems. The annoying thing about Spriggan casters is the low conjurations aptitude but it's not enough to make them weak.

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Pretty solid run for obvious reasons. I am not too fond of how healers act now, given that they seem to give more priority to being next to your character on the front lines than staying behind. Even a ruler with a melee ability would rather stay behind first.

>>183501269
Control teleport scrolls. Of course, you can't c. teleport on zot, abyss, or on the orb run.
How much easier is the game?

>>183501269
>teleport before I run out of HP because I'm able to perform really simple analysis of my situation in which I estimate the amount of HP I'll lose in the future
>everyone thinks I'm great at the game just because I'm not a retard

>>183503009
Go fuck yourself, your "analysis" is shit
>Fight enemy as spell caster
>Kill dozens of enemies
>Suddenly a tengu
>I should be able to kill it just like the other tengu!
>Get it down to a sliver of life
>Only 1 more hit and it's dead
>Miss
>Miss
>Miss
>Low mana, channel MP
>Miss
>Now I'm low life too
>Don't want to waste resources when all I need to do is hit it once and rest
>Miss
>I Die

I died against something that I had no problem killing in the dozens ( even multiple at the same time! ) before all because of RNG.
Fuck off.

>>183495083
what tilesert senpai, that is gorgeous

>>183501374
Who the fuck eats a quarter of a hamburger?

>>183503568
>Now I'm low life too
>Don't want to waste resources when all I need to do is hit it once and rest
This isn't RNG though. You can expect runs of misses sometimes and you're not reacting to one appropriately.

Fault.

>>183504087
An European who thought he's getting yuro-sized burger and not an abomination that takes force to subdue.

>>183504079
Retrodays10px.

did IAdev stylize the title so that when we discuss it we would be saying "IA IA" all the time

>>183504564
>implying the yuro version is somehow better

>>183505114
It took you years, but you finally got it, well done anon.

>>183505114
This abbreviation was part of why I chose this title yes.

>>183506109
Neat. Also are you aware that the Tome of Wisdom is inaccessable in the pause menu? I have a heavy mace I need to drop and I can't figure out how to do so. Do I just throw it?

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This is hilarious

>>183506109
also what the fuck why is there SS13 music in this game??

>>183506262
Yes I'm aware of this. It'll be fixed in v19.1.

You can access the manual with F1.

Drop stuff from any inventory screen with shift-enter or shift-letter (it says so on the inventory screen).

>>183507637
Thanks man

>>183506664
I have no idea what SS13 is. I guess a sound effect I downloaded somewhere may have been ripped from another game?

If that's the case then I'll immediately remove it, if I knew which sound effect it was. Do you have a link to a youtube clip or something where I can hear it?

>>183462154
>>183462186
>>183462372
>>183461995

CDDA?

I see they still haven't fixed this shoals:4 vault

>>183507983
ah no, I wouldn't worry about it. The chance is the sound in SS13 was ripped from some other game. let me find the sound effect for you though. if I can find a video of it I'll share it with you

>>183490632
Who locks up their guns during the apocalypse anyways?

>>183473735
>>183474007
Can I get a link to the Coolthulu fork?

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>>183509410
Fuck, forgot image

>>183510710
He hasn't, yet.

>>183404536 To get the gun accuracy fix.

>>183510710
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14767.0

>>183497171
Hungry ghosts inflict torment-like damage to your hunger bar so they're remarkably bad at actually bringing you to 0, but hitting 0 satiety with no food in inventory will kill you. A recent-ish change made it so you auto-eat at 0 satiety if you're carrying food, but it's still suicidal to linger in Starving/Fainting as you take combat penalties, can't cast spells, and risk random paralysis from fainting spells.

>tailoring is less effective than before so now you have to grind it even harder
Genius.

Overpowered wands in early D, crawl's way to prevent long streaks.

Just look at this. LOOK.

>Duvessa, Sister of Dowan comes into view. She is wielding a short sword.

>Duvessa zaps a wand.
>The bolt of lightning hits you!
>Ouch! That really hurt!
>The bolt of lightning hits you!
>* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
>It is a wand of lightning (?/15).
>You take 36 damage, and have 8/44 hp.

RIP five win streak.

>>183513971
Why didn't you manipulate the game's RNG so she wouldn't have a wand?
Fault.

>>183513971
Not as good as the time I got two-shot by an invisible centaur with a wand of lightning. I'm still not sure how that could have happened because I never saw a centaur so he shouldn't have had an opportunity to do anything that would make him invisible.

>>183514161
Are you still butthurt because you're too retarded to deal with miss streaks?

>>183514692
>I never saw a centaur
Of course you didn't.

10

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http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14767.0

>Topic: Coolthulhu's patches

Is this the beginning of the Cooldays ahead?

https://pastebin.com/DdJzjPBc

So whats the deal with hellcrawl

I cheesed it with ultra retarded combo but how are you even supposed to beat this with normal char lol you dont even find any gear like ever

and are you only able to get 10 runes? (didnt get the abyss one)

And why is my score negative

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>>183518538
*blocks your path*

>>183490038
spriggans have to think more about hunger than most other races though
the only crawl races with a meaningful hunger clock are spriggan/troll/ghoul, everyone else just fucking ignores it and autobutchers and autoeats during autoexplore

>>183503568
>low mana
>stand still and keep fighting
you should start literallywalkaway-ing when you are like 50% mana anon

>>183490038
It was a really good mechanic in previous versions

the thing is that they butchered it completely and its a real mess now

>>183519804
you mean when every creature produced its own form of meat?

tell me about OldHunger, I only know how it was from 0.15 onwards

>>183519804
Hah.
>>183520104
Maybe 50% of meat types had a sizeable chance to make you sick instead of restoring nutrition.

>>183520104
With this yellow flesh that didnt give full nutrition

And with different metabolisms

You could actually run out of food before and had to manage it

>>183519238
How does VSTm^Chei play? I've never played VS or dabbled with magical classes, are they more viable in Hellcrawl?

>>183520585
You find statue form
You tab and everything dies in 1 hit
When you are in trouble you cast this one ability and you are not in trouble anymore

Its way worse in hellcrawl than in normal version but still completely ridiculous

>>183519804
>wield-ID a blunt weapon
>die
Oh wow, such great strategic choices.

>>183520104
Each creature produced its own kind of meat, as you know. Also, in order to butcher them, you had to wield a cutting weapon. So, it would be fairly standard for a mace-user to keep a knife (because it's lighter than a dagger).

Of course you had to do all of this manually, and chunks were still often a waste of time because you couldn't eat them unless you were hungry, but you still had to get your chunks in case you might get hungry before they go bad.

Crawl was never Brogue-levels of hunger bullshit, but at that time it was a much tighter hunger clock, and you could genuinely fear death from hunger (something which you have no ability to do anything about).

>>183520585
Also personally i like council + blade hands (still statue form vs torment) more but you cant play council in hell crawl

>>183452956
Beat it twice, once as Priest and once as Barbarian. Spoilered myself to shit to do it, exploited a Helm of Opposite alignment+crowning mechanics to make my Priest wield the Tsurugi of Muramasa with normal proficiency.

>>183521534
why not just scum & grind infinitely as a mummy

I have a metal tank, pipe and a toolbox plus the necessary skills yet C:DDA won't let me build a wood stove, what gives?

>>183521821
What's council? I've never gotten blade hands either, but I'd imagine it's pretty good. What does its damage scale with?

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>find a gold offering and Bigfoot at the same time
This game is being real generous to me.

>>183523740
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Wu_Jian
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Blade_Hands

>>183524043
Thanks for the links fampai. I haven't dabbled in gods other than Trog, Okawaru, and Chei, and I only picked up Chei because of the memes. I should try more gods and race/classes. Any recommendations?

>finally build my solar powered 4 wheeled truck
>It's to big to control properly, internal batteries and solar panels on roof get damaged by ramming into shrubs
is this working as intended

>>183525114
Probably not - the area damage is only supposed to affect frames

>>183523485
give me a screenshot

>>183525367
>>183525114

Solar panels are on the outer layer of the tile, over the frames, so if they are on the borders of the vehicle they will get damage.

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>it takes 4 solar cells to make a Solar Panels CBM but 12 solar cells to make a basic panel

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https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21430#issuecomment-317214131

>No Gods or Kings, only ME

>>183529456
>week-old commit
>kevin posts about it and locks it 5 minutes ago
>somehow you are watching at exactly the same time
I don't know why you feel the need to embarrass yourself so much, Kevin.

>>183529989
Don't make me call my wife, kiddo.

>>183529456
>>183529989

Cool Days Ahead WHEN?

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>>183530161
See >>183511054

>Coolthulhu's patches
>is a release version

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Oh shit what do i do here, last time i found this guy he fucking blasted me to death.

>>183530607
>inventory full of consumables
>they are even listed on the main screen so you don't have to press i
Are you really so retarded that you have to ask? Also you're level 9; holy shit I had no idea Sigmund could spawn so deep in the dungeon.

>>183530607
just walk away.

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>>183530849
Why are you so mean, no need to be so grumpy, im just an amateur player asking for some advice.

>>183530878
I used my wands of Iceblast and it took 2 shots to make him explode, i used fog to see where he was because he went invisible tho.

Didn't know wands of Iceblast deal that much damage, im going to keep them safe.

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>>183502335
Perhaps I'll find something else to do for the rest of the day.

Is there any in-game way to be done with the hunger and thirst mechanics of Cataclysm? I'm trying to build a blob car and it's annoying constantly needing to go get more food and water. Neither of those things are even an issue after like 3 days, it's just tedious.

>>183531203
Good job wasting that many finite resources against an enemy that's essentially an orc wizard, I guess.

>>183533092
You can delay eating well into starving, it only causes slowdown and stat penalties until instakill.
But starving-to-instakill takes more time than from full to starving.
Same for water: if you're not "parched", you aren't at any risk of dying from dehydration.

Other than that, plant mutation "tree".

>>183521847
But this kinda makes me want to play. Nethack has so many scripted mechanics so there are still plenty of exploits and stuff. Altough I have tried to not spoil myself I know in order to finish the game you'll need ascension kit and stuff like that. But luckily it's been years and I have no proper memory of those spoilers.

>>183533092
For water just stick a funnel and big tank in your car (or the ground) and you shouldn't need to worry about water until winter.

For food, not really, you can smoke ants and spider basements or go full autist and farm oats but it's not as trivial effort as water.

>>183523485
Too dark

>minifridge to the right of me
>water tank to the left
>toilet under me, connected to a water purification and greenhouse system
>maximum comfy
>this is all in a heavily modified shopping cart, of course
>clip through a shrub at 20mph and die

>>183540993
Is it realistic?

>Mod adds tons of new and complex systems for vehicles
>Documents precisely none of them
So am I missing something or are blob vehicles much less efficient than even electric vehicles? They also seem more fragile than other vehicles.

>>183541061
Kevin says so but at the same time I wonder if it is truly realistic that the greatest marksman of all time could not reliably shoot a barn door from 50 feet away.

>>183541229
Actually, tiles do not correspond with real units so 1 tile could be 1 mile :^)

>>183541347
>expecting a tile-based game with one creature per tile to have realistic units
Fault

>>183541347
Each tile represents 237.4 meters

>>183541229
Who is this Kevin?

Why aren't you playing Tangledeep right now, anon? This game will save the roguelike genre.

>>183474258
>>183474123
>>183473597
Play crawl, become a DERGON with DERGON form.


Start as an octopus oh fucking wait they nerfed that.

>>183542825
nonfree software is not roguelikes

>>183542998
t. poorfag

>>183542825
>sold for money instead of the uncertain "bragging rights" of making another entry in a dead genre
>looks like a 16 bit video game instead of a core dump
>not sufficiently based on Lord of the Rings
Not a roguelike, therefore not appropriate for this thread. Please take the Tangledeep discussion to the appropriate /vg/ thread, if any.

>>183541124
>So am I missing something or are blob vehicles much less efficient than even electric vehicles?
I couldn't even figure out how to power them besides using a normal engine.
>They also seem more fragile than other vehicles.
Yeah, the basic gelatinous frame is kind of squishy. You can work up to gray (I think?) that are the more durable type. Blob bits also break off into a growing <whatever> so in that sense they are fragile but regenerate.

>>183524997
hepikaklepi is fun

Can someone confirm that in Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, you have to use painkillers before installing cybernetic implants even if your character has a mutation that makes him immune to pain?

>>183542825
I saw all kinds of shilling for this "roguelike" on reddit.

The animations look too slow (honestly, any real roguelike player shouldn't care for animations at all), there's no ASCII mode, and I don't think there's even diagonal movement. Finally, it costs money.

However, it's strong points are its style, aesthetics, and theme. Not that these (save perhaps the third) should matter in a roguelike at all, but still.

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>>183546478
>However, it's strong points are its style, aesthetics, and theme

>>183545348
You need to use the "Growing Mass of Tendrils" recipe to make an Amorphous Heart, which functions as the controls, engine, seat, and for some reason also a water cannon. From there you can use any of the main 3 types of masses to make a fuel tank for liquefied blob feed, which functions as gasoline for the amorphous heart. You can also use a grey mass and some other things to make a growing glowing mass, which grows into a gelectrode which can be used as a gel generator. Apparently, since there is actual 0 explanation about it even in the mod's thread on the Cataclysm forum, you refill it with a battery and from there it slowly produces electricity on its own. I'm not sure if it's also taking liquefied blob feed from my tanks.

I really want to like this mod but it's just a complete mess.

>>183546721
I don't know, I'm a sucker for the "underground city" trope. Maybe it goes all the way back to reading C.S. Lewis' "The Silver Chair" as a kid.

I even think ADOM's Dwarftown is the coolest shit.

>>183546472
get the coolthulu version >>183511054

>>183547032
I wasn't knocking your taste, just the fact that those three amount to roughly the same thing and it's a bad thing to have as your one strength if you're a roguelike.

>you can't get DDA on your phone in Australia because it isn't politically correct

http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14676.0

This is a game that got development taken over by goons in the same exact way as DCSS.

>>183547286
By style and aesthetics, I meant strictly graphical style. So yeah, I meant the same thing there.

By theme, though, I meant to include its "story" and setting.

But yeah, like I said, these three things matter little in a roguelike. The gameplay itself looks boring and derivative.

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>an M1911 magazine and a M1928 drum take up the same weight in IA

>>183547632
>a book weighs the same as a pair of shoes in NetHack

>>183547020
Oh. I saw the amorphous heart and figured it was a turret since it uses launcher skill and water. And the gelectrode says it uses blob feed when you install it, and I could never get it to take it.

The mad science slime-car idea is cool but between the high skill requirements and no documentation whatsoever it's just impractical to use.

>>183548312
>ADoM's literal iron rations

>>183548474
The gel generator needs to start with at least some charge so that it can start producing electricity, presumably using a tank of liquefied blob feed. The gel generator is very slow and blob batteries have car battery capacity though, so I don't know how effective blob electricity weapons would be.

>>183546472
Everyone is bitching about it on the subreddit and arguing with Kevin's wife last I checked but I don't follow that shit too close.

Can someone give me a quick explanation of AIdev? Is it an original developer for DDA breaking off in their own fork?

>>183546472
it causes a grand total of 0 pain whether or not you are immune
and these are supposed to be complete kits with everything needed to install a bionic
you just have to be high on benzos to properly push the "start" button i guess

>>183546478
>not one mention of the gameplay

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>>183550137
>>183548474
Actually, after some waiting for other blob parts to grow while the engine was off but the generator was on, it looks like the gel generator really is self-sufficient after giving it an initial charge to turn on.

>>183426132
Wow, I literally listen to exactly the same thing.

>>183552818
>anon got too high and forgot that he was replying to his own post

>>183552818
wow what're the odds

Fishmut or Cephalomut for underwater adventures in CataDDA

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>>183552394
I just tested out my 2 gel shooters on a giant bee and do not bother. I parked my car next to it and had to wait 10 minutes of sustained fire for the turrets to finally kill the bee. They have awful accuracy and damage.

It seems like the progression of blob vehicle parts is based more on how patient you are than any actual need to go out and find materials. The only reason why you would ever make a vehicle with gel masses instead of grey masses is because gel masses are lighter so you don't need as many trips to the basement to get more for your vehicle.

I finally found out how the amorphous heart's cannon works. It fires an explosion of water at any nearby enemy. It uses all 100 units of water in its ammo capacity and cannot be reloaded with water tanks, so basically it's completely useless.

>>183554270
>Niten Ichi-Ryu
you just love memes don't you boy

>>183554795
>he doesn't use completely 100% superior japanese sword techniques and steel to cut his foes clean in two
yare yare daze

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>4 win streak
I'll get back to it later.

>>183552050
That's kind of my point; it has nothing special gameplay-wise.

>>183553101
There's nothing there.

>Coolthulu actually made a collection of his extremely sane patches and upped it as a mod so Camp "Don't reply to me or I'll get my wife to shitpost at you" Granada can't do shit
Clearly there are Cool Days Ahead.

Coolthulhu!

>>183557589
Buffraicho is good?
Don't they like, fucking explode if anything touches them?

>>183560445
They just do their thing real quick. Given how cheap buffs are now, they could probably be overshadowed by something else.

Writing patches with Coolthulhu!

>kevin granade comes into view

>You attempt to fix the bug, but it was working as intended.
>Kevin Granade screeches, "NO. IT. WAS. NOT."
>Kevin Granade closes your pull request.
>Ouch! That's really obnoxious.
> * * * LOW DEDICATION POINT WARNING * * *
>You tell Kevin Granade off!!!!
>Kevin Granade's ego is heavily wounded.
>Kevin Granade declares, "This discussion is over."
>Kevin Granade suddenly disappears!
>Kevin Granade's wife comes into view.

>>183542825
if you upload it, I will do you the favor of playing it (for you)

>>183542825
No one's going to discuss it here because it costs money and doesn't have an esports scene like Crawl.

>tfw obtained meat chunks while worshipping Gozag

Feels like I'm cheating the game somehow. Some vaults are weird like that I guess.

>>183565447
Oy vey no you can't eat those that's not kosher!

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Looks like corpse-filled pits from FEMA camps are the best way to get blob feed. Not that it's at all hard to get if you're near a slime pit, but this is much faster.

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Very rare spider:4 spook vault coming through

>>183566937
>opening a 5 space wide door from the center space
What the fuck.

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>>183567361
I already knew what was on the other side, so I went in prepared.

>>183567361
>not going in like a champ
What are you, a fucking pussy?