/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

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>>183381387
w&b

>>183381387
pleasure

>>183381387
based

>>183381387
white men

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On the one hand I feel like I should turn this down due to it being a horrific abomination, on the other I kinda see what's down the rabbit hole.

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La Plata

>>183381791
W&B

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rate my epic empire

>>183381357
>1645 – Qing dynasty regent Dorgon issues an edict ordering all Han Chinese men to shave their forehead and braid the rest of their hair into a queue identical to those of the Manchus.
J U S T

>>183382424
w&b

Should I replacing Goering as KR Germany? What happens if I don't?

ITALY YOU FUCKING SHITTERS STOP LOOSING
EVERY
SINGLE
NAVAL BATTLE YOU DO ON YOUR OWN
FUCKING SUBHUMANS

>>183382057
i meant ruling party support, sorry. i think it will be much more immersive to have modifiers for religion and moralism for lowering con + reform desire.
for ottomans i dont think it is the best way to have all interaction with religion (which was of paramount importance in this region) to be a single decision and just a modifier before that.
so my point is that while it is possible to railroad these things with modifiers, it would be much more fun for player to have some agency here.

HPM, what's the point of the commission warship decision? I don't think anyone ever takes it.
Why is Spain split into Spanish and Catalan but France is all 100% French? Objectively speaking a third of the country didn't even speak French until the 1880s when public school was made free and mandatory to force people to learn it.
https://slmc.uottawa.ca/?q=french_history#s4c

what's "edgy" about saying that religions should be an impactful mechanic rather than just flavour?

>>183383170
It's not edgy, but it's not very immersive to give religions different power moves

>>183383368
i never asked for the eu4 stupid modifiers for religion, i just pointed out that it had huge impact in some regions that is not modeled properly right now.

>>183383368

it's not "power moves"

why would hindu's work cattle RGOs for example?

>>183382943
That doesn't boost party popularity. It just makes people agree more with the ruling party.
I don't see how religion would affect that. Tying that to a religious policy, like moralism, doesn't make sense.

>>183383115
I can't have modifiers working on a specific religion and it's wrong to make it generic. If moralism (if a pop really cares about religion, it's a moralistic pop) is an issue to a pop and your ruling party has the same issue, they will agree and they get less CON (IIRC MIL too) as a result.
Religion already affects a few things. Like a province a pop migrates. Who they vote for. Muslim and shinto pops are naturally more conservative. And it affects CON and MIL if the pop agrees or not with the ruling party.

>>183383147
To buy ships. It's mainly for rich uncivs, like the Qing.
Because Catalans have a nationalist movement from the 19th century to today.
The game isn't about languages, it's about culture.

>>183382057
Can you change the cores on Kuzhestan?
Currently there's no way to get only the arab part(only if you are playing as fascist Syria), Iraq has cores on all of it (so you can't release it with only the arab part) and the Arab Union has no cores there at all.

>>183383590

hidus*

>>183381257
About conquering the pope, just like any other country
throughout this playthrough i was excommunicated like 8 times by various countries and it fucking sucks especially for legitimacy but at some point i was getting a shit ton of papal influence out the ass and had a stranglehold on the curia

but that was way way after i conquered the pope, but basically what happens is the usual get an event asking to give rome back but i never did so the pope spawned somewhere else
however at some point you can take a decision to make amends with the pope and let him live in rome (a la real italy) but you still control the province and basically everyone stops being pissed at you for annexing the pope

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That's a good start.

>>183383590
The Cattle RGO doesn't represent only cows. It represents porks, chicken, sheep, etc. Livestock.
Which would actually be a great name for it.

>>183383636
I think the ARU gets core there, but what do you propose to fix this?

>>183383764
>deaf in texas en eu3
for what

>>183383825
How tall are you?

>>183384063
About 6 American meters.

>>183383825

oh it's paradox's fault them, how would I know

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>>183383825
Apparently they specifically don't get cores there? Or rather, get them removed instantly.
I would propose to firstly remove the Iraqi core on the northermost (non-arab) province, and then let the Arab Union get cores there.

>>183381387
White Men

>>183383730
>however at some point you can take a decision to make amends with the pope and let him live in rome (a la real italy) but you still control the province and basically everyone stops being pissed at you for annexing the pope
Great, that's all I really need.

>>183383604
problem is that moralism is just one of the many issues, in practice for russia it is not over 15% for their orthodox pops, so even if it kinda works this way there is no player agency. btw, since both reactionary and conservative parties in russia start with moralism other issues start to define which party they agree to.
Point with ottomans and player agency still stands
and don't get me started on migration, its nearly impossible as russia to russify even the areas that were historically russified without craftsman exploit (which you should get rid of by the way). A little example:
>The Russian authorities forced the migration of Romanians (Moldovans) to other provinces of the Russian Empire (especially in Kuban, Kazakhstan and Siberia), while foreign ethnic groups (especially Russians and Ukrainians, called in the 19th century "Little Russians") were encouraged to settle here. According to 1817-census, Bessarabia was populated by 86% Romanians (Moldovans), 6.5% Ukrainians, 1.5% Russians (Lipovans) and 6% other ethnic groups. 80 years later, in 1897, the ethnic structure was very different: only 56% Romanians (Moldovans), but 11.7% Ukrainians, 18.9% Russians and 13.4% other ethnic groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification

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ah yes

What's best country to play as if I want to forcefully balkanize European GPs?

>>183385578
Prussia, but instead of forming Germany only create the NGF and let the SGF form alone

>>183384762
>there is no player agency
It doesn't need to. Victoria 2 isn't a game about forcing pops to do what you want.

> other issues start to define which party they agree to.
As it should be. Pops don't have a single issue only.
I honestly don't see your point here.

>Point with ottomans
The main thing that drove the problems in the balkans was nationalism. If the ottomans were turkish the same thing would happen. The same thing happened to Yugoslavia.
What's the point here?

>and don't get me started on migration, its nearly impossible as russia to russify even the areas that were historically russified
Russia starts with closed borders. Use the immigration NF there and people will choose the place.

>>183384273
I will check it and decide on something but I think it would be better as a separate, irredentist claim, probably.

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How did I do, /gsg/?

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>conservative or liberal parties don't allow building of factories
>have to encourage capitalists to do the job
>they don't build a single canned food factory
>theres a global canned food shortage making me unable to expand my navy or military
>have to encourage socialists so i can build my own factories
>in 1906 the great colombian canned food revolution saves the world and ends the great canned food crisis
is it actually supposed to be in such short supply? i've never had this problem before

>>183386512
It has a lot of components.
It's hard to produce

Havent played HPM in a while what countries have had shit added to them?

>>183385749
Hey HPM, in game Chile has cores on Bolivia's sea provinces and Peru's southern tip, and the War of the Pacific that defines it's borders happens in the first few years of the game, this is completely ahistorical, the war around this time is the war of the confederation, out of which Chile's borders didnt change at all and only separated the PBC and won financial reparations. Chile also had no cores at all nor claims in those provinces, rather occupying them for economic reasons in the War of the Pacific around fifty years later. So the cores should be removed along with a war of the pacific event (including a secret peru bolivia pact against Chile) would make South America more historical.

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Thinking of bringing colonial subjects into eurasia and africa in a game.
Get them up to their state limit to maximize the gain from provinces.
I think I can place two in africa without messing up trade nodes.
Not sure about a 3rd one in asia.
Siberia+White Sea and Lhasa are fine, it won't leech much trade if they have those.
After that I'm less sure though.
Yumen could be a problem.

Maybe Chengdu, Xi'an, maybe Girin.
Maybe Astrakhan.

>>183385749
>Russia starts with closed borders. Use the immigration NF there and people will choose the place.
I thought there was no colonial migration with closed borders?

>>183387157
internal migrations lad

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What's the highest anyone here has ever developed a city?

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>>183367469
Hey, man, original guy who you thought was, heh, "fabricating the truth" here, heh, fuck you, you snivelling piece of fucking shit. I told you about a dozen fucking times I wasn't lying and you still didn't believe me, you untrusting piece of shit. What the fuck happened to you to make you so suspicious of fucking nothing, you get raped by your dad? Oh no, wait, of course you didn't, because you're so fucking disgusting you couldn't even be raped. Fuck you. Fuck everything you've ever done. Do everybody who's ever interacted with you a favour and kill yourself, you don't need a gun, you don't need a noose, just get to a nice tall building, maybe go down your local town hall and leap off of it. Remove your stain from the Earth, you pathetic fucking parasite, and help improve the average.

>>183387436

>British Brazil

I can only dream

>>183387492
Maybe if you didn't conveniently forget to save I would have believed you.

>>183387157
None overseas. And the place isn't a colony.

>>183386936
I know. I will fix the War of the Pacific in the future and make proper events for it.

>>183387436
~100 is the boredom threshold.

Is the France minimod at all balanced?

>>183387879
Thanks.

>>183387436
I've only ever gotten one to 50.

In a competitive mp game I'm playing there's a guy with a 75 dev capitol, such a waste

>>183387945
No, but it's fun

>>183388028
Without spoiling too much, what are some of the things you can do? Any Napoleon shit?

>>183387858
I gave you my fucking word, and I never save saves from the entirety of my game because there's no point, you only need the most recent save, what the fuck do you do, start over from 30 years ago?

I asked for help, because I thought my game was fucked, I trusted you to help me, and instead you and half a dozen other malicious little cunts decided I was lying. You're everything wrong with humanity, you lack basic human empathy, you're essentially a serial killer.

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>>183388196
Serial Killer requires a goldilocks zone of underdeveloped frontal lobes, a specific gene and a very rare type of upbringing.

Not him by the way, just a random autist being pedantic.

>>183388196
But I did try to help, I did everything I could.When I thought there was no logical answer I supposed you were lying.

>>183388527
Y-yeah, I suppose.. I'm just pissed off everybody thought I was lying when I knew for a fact I wasn't.
Still, now it happened to someone else at least I know my game isn't fucked.
Sorry about lashing out, lad, I had just woken up and hadn't taken my meds.

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>brazilian RGOs

>>183386512
it always happens that i can never get canned food as some shitty unciv or a really weak civ at multiple points in the game because theres a shortage

thoughts on HFM, is it worth using with hpm

>>183385954
If you don't have all the asian countries allied or puppet then you should kill yourself.

>>183389006
It's alright, but vanilla hpm is better imo

>>183389324
what does it change thats significant

>>183388679
*changes to rubber*

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>>183387879
Is anti-jacobin tract supposed to allow you to become an absolute kangdom?
Time to enslave the serfs.
Also, is your upper house supposed to be rearanged on coup? Because currently you keep your representational UH until Jan 1st.

>>183387879
Haven't checked the event files, but in the case of the Crimean crisis, you should make it as such that if the Principalities aren't united, Moldavia gets Budjak.

Might be a non-issue, but I remember receiving it as Wallachia in an older version of the mod.

>>183389153
I only have China and Mongolia.
None of the events fire after the Hawaii one.
I also have Australia.

>>183389748
What about Siberia?
It's a must.

>>183389574
Are slaves anything worth?
It seems that they are only good if you have like 50% of your RGOs as slaves and good tech.

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So I finally managed to fully conquer this part of the Balkans. What's bad is that the Ottomans took the rest. What's worse than that is that they're now somehow allied to my other rival, Aragon, both of which have territory right next to me and will most likely attack me soon. If either of them does so, the other one is pulled into the war as well.

I believe that a good fleet can win a war against both of them at the same time (since Aragon will not be able to access Sicily while the Ottomans will not be able to pass into Europe from the blockade) so I picked Naval ideas and am about to start building harbors and a fuckload of Galleys. Hopefully that's enough because I literally can't do anything else against such a war

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>>183389930
RP purposes. Sadly, I need S&G to do this.

>>183389574
how do you get so much reactionary support?

>>183389797
Russia never fell and they were the only ones who didn't want my blood.
I decided to harass the CSA instead, because they were amassing troops on the border and they looked scary.
I already had New England under controll, so I released Canada as a fully independent country and I created two spearheads and went down the coasts. CSA had a really bad army for some reason (1939 type units in 1948)

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sned help

>>183390119
What mod gives that flag?

>>183390443
>fort maintenence

>>183389930
they are more productive than free pops, but they don't buy goods, so until you start industrializing you want to keep them

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>>183390136
I said, the anti jacobin tract event. That's why I'm asking whether it's supposed to allow you to do this.

>>183390510
HPM?

https://articulo.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-435102248-fotografia-augusto-pinochet-en-helicoptero-_JM

I live and breathe victoria 2

>>183383170
It's kind of funny
The guy accusing people of being "edgy /pol/tards was actually defending nationalism

this general itself has come to adopt 19th century politics

>>183383604
But catalans are just confused even today

Spain is one unified entity

so called "projecting"

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>>183391361
>implying

next thing you'll say is that Canada is one unified entity

>>183390776
What's that

>>183391361
>Spain is one unified entity
lol'd
t. Spaniard

>>183390647
thanks, i was reading with my ass. pretty sure ruling party only does what it says, aka 100% of your party in UH

>>183391361
There aren't half some fuckknuckles on this thread. I'm going to put this down as bait and give (You) a clap of applause.

>>183391361
South germans are confused even today

Germany is one unified entity

>>183392053
>There aren't half some fuckknuckles on this thread
what did you mean by this

>>183392176
Spain moreso that g*rmany

>>183391939
t. Catalan

>>183381704
Well yeah, because eventually they'll want AL.

>>183392369
I'm actually Asturian and even some Asturians want independence. Everywhere there's someone who wants it and everywhere there are local languages except Madrid and south.

>>183382424
Wh-what did you do to Germany-chan?

>>183382424
GRO(BETA)!!!!

If you have enough time in your life to play PDX games, you are privileged AF.

>>183392924
>he tries to play one game within one day

>>183392924
so?

i work in architecture, am i not allowed to enjoy my privilege?

Anyone have a download for the old 2.6.X version of the Rebels and Warmongers mod for CK2? Fucking workshop updated and broke all my shit.

>>183393041
i basically do that but i run games at max speed most of the time

>>183382424
no occitania is literally heratbreaking

v2s so boring for me now

like literally what is there to do anymore, uncivs are boring as fuck unless they have some flavor events but ive been through those

GPs are boring, secondary powers are boring without flavor events its like theres a real lack of countries to play as

like why even play it anymore

for what

>>183375210
Machiavelli.

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>>183392924
I would actually agree with this but only with the corollary to "privilege" theory that wealth is often a burden and the 21st century virgin neet who theoretically has everything really has nothing at all and is QUITE unprivileged.

Spiritual vs physical fulfillment. and it applies to more than just neets too obviously.

As Shitaly, should I puppet or annex greece?
It's poor and shitty and puppeting + free country from T*rks is much less of a bother, but I really want my mare nostrum

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I can be a NEET thanks to the wealth my ancestors left for me and to the division of labour

>>183393041
>>183393285
>>183393738
God I hate white people. Probably all voted for fucking Drumpf too.

>>183375349
ironic

>>183394043
Same

>>183394045
Yeah I mean I did

>>183394162
>not annexing greece in hopes of ressurrecting SPQR by having your upper class adopt greek language and culture

>>183393981
just annex Crete, Rhodes, and Cyprus. puppet and sphere the rest.

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>>183394162

>>183393738
i hate these comparison pictures of modern day to the past
every single time the past is overly romanticized and the present is presented as some dystopia

>>183394149

it's quite based living off the work of dead family members

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is it worth going for wc at this point? I keep quitting the game because it's a pile of garbage that runs like shit, then shooting it up again because muh wc and addiction fuck you johan

>>183387879
Is there any way to have closed borders while also allowing for colonial migration? The transportation reform in particular seems worthless, perhaps even a detriment, when borders are closed.

It would be nice if there were a decision or another level of border reform only possible to unlock with the transportation reform enabled that allowed at least primary and accepted POPs to migrate to the colonies in return for a significant reduction in the efficiency of the closed borders.

>>183394627
now do it in meth and taxes

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>>183393738

>he 21st century virgin neet who theoretically has everything really has nothing at all and is QUITE unprivileged.

stop anon, I came here for power fantasies

>>183390009
Maxing your naval forcelimit is definitely mandatory against an Aragon/Ottoman alliance, but how will you handle getting WS from them? If I remember right you're allied to France and Poland, but France looked terrible last time I saw it. Can they stand up to Aragon, and moreover can you stand up to the Ottoman army with just Poland, if they do breach the strait?

>>183394627
>is it worth going for wc at this point?
You'll need to go over-extended a lot.

>>183387879
Are you supposed to be able to build ralroads on the desert? Like, actual desert such as the Arabian, the Afghan, the Namibian, the Outback and SPECIALLY the Sahara?
Because apparently now you can.

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Can I get achievements with MnT?

Does Influence ideas with regards to vassals also count towards colonies

my shoulder hurts

>>183394045
im not even american

>>183395253
no and no

>>183395185
It's part of a test I was running and I forgot to reverse. Thanks, it's fixed now.

>>183394661
No. You can't have the cake and eat it.

>>183389645
I'm not 100% sure what events are you talking about.

>>183389574
It's a vanilla event.
No, the UH is only rearranged when the year ends.

you guys have to tone down the soy milk

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>>183395406
Fuck sake

Last two ideas then? There's only about 100 years left so I'm not really bothered desu. I'm going to be waging back-to-back wars on Ming and then taking out Sweden from the East.

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>>183393738
>pot belly

>>183395519
if you're fixing ideological rebels in colonies (or at least seriously negating them) can you remove that awful spammy Farms and Mines decision?

>>183395565
quantity lad

attrition will murder you in china and sweden

>>183395520
ill get right on it john

>>183395519
Hey HPM, is there any way I can do something in regards to Malta as Italy?

I remember absorbing it when I unified Italy with SP and it was my puppet. But I didn't get a core, or maltese as accepted, or anything.

>>183395519
>I'm not 100% sure what events are you talking about.
Crimean war grants Budjak to the Romanian Principalities, yes? What I'm saying is that in the scenario in which Moldavia and Wallachia aren't united by the time the event fires, it should go to Moldavia.

I'm assuming it goes to Wallachia only when it's player controlled, but in that case you should make an event with an option to either keep it yourself or cede it to Moldavia(for an opinion boost or whatever).

>>183395519
>No. You can't have the cake and eat it.
You wouldn't be, though, not if the reform grossly reduced the efficiency of the closed borders. Only closed borders with no colonial migration would be effective, with closed borders and colonial migration merely stemming the tide somewhat.

At the very least make it so that closing the borders automatically pushes crime law past the transportation reform if transportation has already been enacted. Otherwise it's just a waste of bureaucrats which the player might not even be able to revoke depending upon their situation.

>>183394627
If you are by far the strongest nation around 1650s/60s there's always a good chance at WC. Just use Client States - a lot of them. And focus on ideas that help you with expansion penalties like AE or coring cost. At this point you don't need mil. ideas since you're untouchable by the merit of numbers alone (though I fin ming problematic because it's just so fucking large)

>>183395907
the maltese are NOT italian you dirty fucking spaghetti eating shit stain

>>183396038
t. *****

>>183395519
No problem I guess. Any idea when the next release will be?
Also, two other things; the first one os that the Turkmen province Persia has doesn't link its railroads with its neighbouring provinces for some reason. The second, though I'm not quite sure about it, is that the decision to break the Chinese tea monopoly seems to change the RGO of that rubber producing province in Travancore.

>>183395519
Is there a rule of thumb you use when assigning terrain? Like terrain above 500m is hills and above 1000m is mountain?

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>>183395716
Yeah, it already has. One war with Ming (that was quite short compared to the one before it) just wiped out 150k manpower.

Thanks man. Never picked Quantity before so I didn't know it helped with attrition.

>>183396468
i think defensive gives direct bonuses to land attrition but quantity is good just for the manpower bonuses it gives

>>183394292
Well, you are the problem facing America right now.

>>183395374
You still benefit from the power structured that are set up to favor whites over PoC.

>>183396468
honestly i think offensive and quality are overrated groups

though mostly offensive to me just seems like garbage compared to defensive which gives huge morale boosts, -25% land attrition, maintenance modifiers, etc.

meanwhile quality is just a bunch of 10% bonuses to your land units and the rest is useless besides the bit of discipline you get all the way at the end

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Is Mongol Khanate even possible?
I've managed Timurids once, but Mongol Khanate seems insane.

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hmmm

can someone post a map from EU3 DAO/miscmods or whatever it was

>>183396839
>meanwhile quality is just a bunch of 10% bonuses to your land units and the rest is useless besides the bit of discipline you get all the way at the end
That's why I went for it. On a good roll I'm killing 4k chinks per tick.

>>183397715
thats not your ideas, its probably just the vast difference in tech

doubt youd see much difference without the 10% modifiers

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>>183397154
GG no RE.

>>183397990
researchpoints 25000

>>183397990
>Reading
HOW

>>183397990
It says 1856

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>>183397935
That feel when.

>>183397217
>1856
HOW

Im thinking of a Mongolia run in the new hpm

Any advice or is that country just fucked

>>183398164
researchpoints 25000

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Being a mongol sucks.

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>bash head against wall

>>183398394
>>>/reddit/

Here's this reddit thing (that I found through google mind you)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2h3x3d/what_percentage_of_the_chinese_population_did_the/

>I have gleaned from other sources that the literacy rate was about ~5% during the Tang dynasty (~10% male, 1-2% female) and ~20% during the late Qing (~25-33% male, 2-10% female - based on Rawski's work) which rose modestly to 25%-30% during the Republic (age/cohort evidence from the 1982 PRC census)

Qing should start with 25% literacy absolute minimum

>b-but literacy is an abstraction
I don't give a shit. If it's not actually literacy then it shouldn't be called that and education shouldn't affect it

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>>183397990
>>183398049
>>183398164
>>183398263
I let the taiping get as many cores as possible, then when i conquered the qing and the other states i got a ton of points that made westernization possible

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>lel

>>183397876
We're both on 24. For some reason Ming has been ahead of everyone. I'm on 130% discipline and 7 morale though.

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Genghis pls help.

>>183398561
That's bullshit. Chinese nations can't get RPs by conquering in HPM.

>>183398724
same tech doesnt mean same units

euros are ahead at that point in time im pretty sure

>>183398495

literacy is not only about being able to read and write

You can be a math iliterate,you can be a history illiterate, and so on.

Where's the lad with the Kurdish AAR?

>>183398765
yes, they do

>>183398840
>you can be a history illiterate
what?

>>183398495
i highly doubt 20-30% of the chinese population at the time could read and write well enough to the standards of the day

anyone here know what "che choris" means

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So Ming doesn't want to let me do anything, but doesn't want to have peace with me, I'm stuck perpetually in Limbo, what do?
I'm basically an observer at this point.

>>183399063
let them come inside

>>183398973

iOTt's like the venezuelans for example, they're history illiterates.

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>>183399063
Maybe a Statesman could help?

>>183399132
They already did, also since Eunuch faction is in charge I'm not getting colonized, so yeah I'm in Limbooooo.

>>183399249
man i miss how shit EU3's interface was

also please play with DAO, the map is much better imo

>>183398973
my mom asked me a few months ago "was ww2 the one with the nazis" and doesn't know if russia is still communist or not.
90% of people here dont know shit like what the ottoman empire was.
some guy in my freshman history class asked the prof "what is persia".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm5N57G37AU

yes I'm a burger

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I'm going to try to change my Government type, maybe then I'll either get instantly annexed or go from there.

>>183399406
90% of people anywhere dont know what the ottoman empire is, its not exclusive to the USA

unless its directly related to your country's history chances are the people in your country wont know jack fucking shit about it, speaking for the average person who doesnt read history books and play autistic map simulations

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>>183399404
I am okay with this garbage.
Also I can go bankrupt as much as I want.

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>>183399406

>and doesn't know if russia is still communist or not.

little does she know that democracy is a form of communism

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This is getting ridiculous.

>>183399581
this

>>183394045
I'm not even white

>>183400470

are you brazilian?

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AN UNEXPECTED TURN OF EVENTS.
>PROVINCE IS OCCUPIED BY HOSTILE REBELS
Well then.

>>183400608
No, why?

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Daily Ultimate Autism: not updated edition

>>183400470
based

>>183400704

are you black

>>183400608
>are you brazilian?
he said he WASN'T white

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what the FUCK

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Fuck this I'm leaving Asia.

>>183398561
can you upload your westernized save?
I want to see how many genocides it takes to become majority Christian

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Just going to chill here with this guy from Chagatai.
Fuck the chinks.

>>183401079
you don't even have to genocide. since north and south han are your accepted cultures and you of course have cores all over china they convert en masse pretty easily

>>183400897
What are those gross ass colors?

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>>183397109
I reallydon't get this meme, why woulf Alexander want to be Diogenes?
>tfw no aryan blond greek qt from before they were TURKED to seduce you out of your barrel

>>183401079
gimme a sec

>>183400774

where do you get the template for that world map?

>>183402017
>I reallydon't get this meme, why woulf Alexander want to be Diogenes?
Because Diogenes was fearless and gave no fucks, which Alexander really admired.

Also rad fucking barrel

>"if i was not Alexander i would be Diogenes"

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help

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>>183400774
>australia
>protestant
What religion even are Australia?

>>183398561
How westernized was the Qing when thr rebellion happened?

>>183402695
talk with hpm about it

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>>183402639
>4
How the fuck does this shit even work? I doubt any other power has multiple level 10+ factories.

>>183401079
https://mega.nz/#!fYF1xD6S!E086uEzWCZfoGLMT0WvDn_VNGo8xrPY-s4jCS_vAic4

There you go, accept the peace offer from Manchuria and click the westernize button, don't forget to pick a national value first though

>>183402756
I didn't have any reform apart for the one they start with to avoid the extra militancy

>>183402695
why do they use
>anglican
>catholic
>other christian

instead of
>protestant
>catholic
>other christian

anglican comes under the definition of protestant and then would include all the presbyterians

When should I annex a vassal in EU4? I am playing as Castile and I have Aragon and Naples in a personal union. Aragon has a big army and a very big navy. I just annexed them via decision to form the Spanish nation, but I realized that their armies and navies are too big and above my force limit, so I can't keep it.

So I save scummed and reversed the decision to annex them. It looks like it's better to have them as vassals, as that will keep their military forces.

When should I annex them? Should I take quantity idea group first so I can handle that big army? Or should I just let them be my vassals forever?

how do i have fun playing vic2?

I enjoy ck2 for the roleplaying, hoi3 for the war but what do i enjoy vic2 for?

Does the wave of islamic fundamentalism modifiers in Sudan ever stop? I mean I'm Egypt with Islamic Law and a reactionary, moralist party, give a guy a break.

>>183403484
You can roleplay Vic2 as well

>>183403484
Autistic economic and pop management.

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>>183402915

>he expects things to work on socialism

>>183402915
>falling for the liquor meme

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HMMMM

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nth for churchill

>>183403975
>USA has Columbia
now Germany need to create grossgermaniums and it's perfect

>>183403975
>westernised taiping in '60

you cheated

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>>183404015
>churchill
>not De Gaulle
weak

>>183403484
honestly after like 4 or 5 playthroughs its pretty fucking boring already with HPM

if i didnt start with vanilla i wouldnt have as many hours as i do right now with it, theres just nowhere near as much variety in playhtroughs and everything 'different' is just a glorified paintjob

whats worse is the timeline only lasts 100 years so youre done with your playthrough before you know it burning you out quicker than any other GS game, lets also not forget that changing the defines to extend the gametime completely fucks the economy because the game cant handle the amount of pops and goods being produced

>>183404365
>hoi4

laddo...

>>183404365
>goyshit

>>183404015

was there a biggest geopoliticial cuck than WW2 and onwards Britain?

>muh evil nazis leave the based poles alone
>oh yes stalin you keep all of eastern europe and a slice for germany even though your army's supplies are being hauled by wain:)
>get COMMIE'D out of all your colonies

wHoA

>>183403975
>playing China before HPM fixes it
I applaud your autism

>>183404586
t. triggered nazi cuck

as long as millions of f*scists got killed then the outcome is irrelevant

>>183404556
>>183404487
what' wrong with it?
t. piratefag who only played vic2 very badly before

>>183404769

Just Imagine if Britain had helped the Axis to defeat the Soviet Union and America? We would still have europe nowadays as the center of culture and invention of the developed world

>>183404872
nothing is wrong with hoi4, these idiots are just angry that paradox didn't pander to their every beck and call

they all used to cry for hours on end because of tiny irrelevant shit like there was a tiny animation of a soldier doing a pressup in one of the trailers, even HPM accidentally left his trip on to shitpost about it. they also spent literally months on end crying that there wouldn't be counters in the game even though it ended up being fucking fine

if you look at the archive everyone here had aleady decided that they hated the game before it ever came out so it's no surprise that everyone here either didn't give it a proper go or just pretends to not like it so they can look 'cool' and 'contrarian' because it's popular

you should probably leave this general while you still have a chance. everyone here is terrible at these games even though they have 3000+ hours in them, go somewhere with people that actually know what they're talking about with regards to game mechanics, strategy, history and general discussion like the forums lad

>Decide to get back into Crusader Kings 2
>"Gee, I wonder what this monks and mystics DLC is like. It's a fairly historical game, so I doubt this Satan shit'll be all that interesting."
>Join satanic cult
>With a decade, my character is a paranoid, gay, possessed, werewolf impaler, who hears Satan talk to him and has a magical dog, as well as literally every sin known to man, along with some that haven't even been discovered yet.
>For some reason Satan keeps asking me to sacrifice midgets to him
>Planning to cuck my own character with a demon, so heir is a literal hellspawn.

It would appear I have become a Sonic OC. On the flip side, I've got a martial skill of 39, which means I could crush a thousand man army using 7 guys, a retarded horse and a sack of apples.

>>183405286

johan, can you fuck off? your game is shitty dude

>>183405286
but I can't call people niggers or faggots (friendly or not) nor can I shot them my plans for total Celtic domination and genocide of mudslimes
>>183405468
the game is fine desu
it's the perfect balance between too much control and not enough, and the military aspect is well done, so I sure as hell wouldnt call it shit

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>>183405286

>>183405286
maybe if the AI was able to play the game too

>>183405286
based

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Should I go for an ebin groBpruBiums wc or is it too lame? Something else?
>inb4 how about uninstall.exe and liquoria memes
I just need to play eu4 desu. I'm gonna shift-delete this garbage after this last run. Or 2 tops.

>>183405579
>the game is fine desu
Politics are shit
Warfare is shit
AI is shit
Diplomacy is non-existant
How is this 'fine'?

What could be causing unemployment among farmers in a cotton province? Every year or so, they seem to stop picking cotton and as a result, they move out of the province in droves. Only a certain number get promoted to craftsmen while over a thousand leave, many out of the country.

any world war game where world conquests are possible is inherently shit

>has not formed one of these countries before.
Damnit.

I was hoping that you could form a colonial nation, play as that nation, form prussia and take their ideas and then form the united states.

>>183405286
white

>>183405579
>>183405385
What are you on about? Too close together to be a samefag. Is this some kind of /gsg/ meme?

>>183405891
*handwaves it saying it's fine*
your move

I've downloaded HOI4 three times already, but everytime I run it I remember the focus trees and then immediately close and uninstall the game.

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Why is my literacy gain so low? I also have darwinism.

>>183406468
Is your education funding 100%? Do you have 4% intellectuals in all states?

>>183406376
I think a lot of people, the first time they play it, or maybe the first 3 times (fac,com,dem), intend to run ww2 pretty much as it went (except win it)...and so don't appreciate how fucked the focus system is.

>>183406656
>Is your education funding 100%?
Obviously yes. And 4% is what I'm currently working on, halfway there. Last game when I had these techs as Romania I had +0.2% literacy per week in 1860s

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>russia falling to jacobins in the 1850s
>less than 10% of their people can read
>the rebels are all serfs
>with all their life needs met
ah yes

>>183404872
here's a real answer:

things I like about hoi4

>no resource stockpiles, too gamey in that you can build huge stockpiles before the war and never need to warmonger
>division designer is 10 times better
>air warfare and actually being able to shoot down planes instead of the stacks of 20 interceptors on max range that can never get destroyed TFH hoi3 became
>producing equipment is great
>like the idea of splitting up naval 'dockyards' and factories
>the changes to naval invasions stop the stupid gamey deathstack easy invasions of italy/japan as the allies or GB as the axis


things i dislike about hoi4
>small amount of ideologies
>bad AI
>no fuel
>less in depth tech tree
>meme battle plans instead of micro-ing troops

>>183405889
>Should I go for an ebin groBpruBiums wc or is it too lame? Something else?
go tengri horde or go home

>>183406870
Give away that southern province to Montenegro and your borders would be perfect

>>183406931
>>183405889
Actually Great Horde into Golden Horde (into chinese Emporer if you're having fun) became a fair bit more challenging recently, as latest dlc effectively buffed muscovy.

Ofc, you can always get a cheap alliance with Poland-Lithuania...

>>183405889
WC as england by using the force union on france mission

then if it still works use the steal person union partner for 0 warscore exploit to steal lithuania from poland, hungary from austria and aragon and naples from castile

exploit is this
>win the war against them
>go to the war screen and select 'end personal union over X'
>then go to the other screen and select 'transfer person union over X'
>then unclick the cancel personal union

might have been patched out by now though senpai

developing the provinces of your subjects will massively reduce their liberty desire

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Is this redpilled?

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>>183407103
Actually, I'm planning to make all of pic related 96.8% South German by the end of the game.

>>183407804
>bl*bbing

kys cuck

>>183408108
It's not blobbing if I have an ethnic claim to the land, lad, which I will.

>>183408149

ethnic claims on greece?

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HPM, fix these broken ass rebels. The AI can't handle it and it's an annoyance for the player.

>>183408405
After the extermination, yes.

>>183407617
yes, but just because they're about to get raped by europe

>>183405286
>5x5 division system makes it so you can have super soldiers that can pierce the heaviest of tank regiments and do fuck tons of both hard and soft attack while costing a fraction of the tank regiment
>you literally have to make up your own rules, especially in multi, so you don't just steamroll everything

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>>183407389
Did a run with england when I got PUs over France(through mission), Aragon and Naples, a yuge Commonwealth, and I don't remember which else
won't have that luck twice

>>183408667
stop being so cryptic and tell us about the fucking game.

>>183408667
i don't understand that reference

>>183408667
why does it say drinking and whoring?

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>>183407804
>blobbing down to macedonia
>not taking bessarabia

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r8 mediterraniums

It pains me that all generals and admirals always die before they can retire tbqh

I was looking at Greater Germany requirements, and I realized it's impossible to add big booty Austria to the Reich
If you form Germany as Austria, you have to forgo all non-core land, and even if you wait till an event fires that makes it seem like, for 40 infamy, you get everything, all it does is add German empire cores on yours, and doesn't unify you to become Germany. While the decision to form it is still there, there's still the requirement of not owning non-core land

If you form Germany and have Austria in your sphere, while it says there is a 10% chance of the AI joining you damn the consequences, there's a line saying there's a factor chance of 0 if the AI is KUK, which it always is as it can be formed once Italy, Germany, or the NGF forms

HPM literally makes it impossible to form Germany including Austria's initial owning land

>>183409982
nice crop fag

>>183410123
thanks!

>>183410110
It's entirely possible, you are just too retarded to properly read the requirement code

>>183410263
see >>183410123

>>183408545
On my game they made it a republic even earlier.

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>be ABSOLUTE ruler
>cant expand war because the plebs dont want it
>have to just take Bulgaria and have shit borders
>even though I would have paid full infamy for any subsequent wargoals
For fucks sake, HPM.

>>183410287
feel free to explain it to me then. I'm pretty sure

modifier = {
factor = 0
tag = KUK
}
in

option = {
name = "EVT31515OPTA"
set_country_flag = wants_to_unify
set_country_flag = austrian_destiny
GER = { country_event = 31516 }
any_pop = {
limit = {
is_primary_culture = no
is_accepted_culture = no
}
consciousness = 6
militancy = 6
}
ai_chance = {
factor = 10
modifier = {
factor = 0.5
is_secondary_power = yes
}
modifier = {
factor = 0
tag = KUK
}
modifier = {
factor = 0
OR = {
government = democracy
government = hms_government
}
}

means "10%*0=0, so boko no big booty Germany

>>183410642
>It's easier to add wargoals as a democracy than a totalitarian government thanks to elections
Bravo, aitch pee em

>>183410642
>>183410893
that's all vanilla tho
>>183410110
>HPM literally makes it impossible to form Germany including Austria's initial owning land
that's nnm

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i have never seen a fantasy world look as good as Earth

i've tried my best at creating a fantasy Mediterranean Sea, but it came out strange

>>183410856
You are really dense, huh?
KUK =/= AUS
If you form Germany with AUS in your sphere without unpausing they won't form KUK therefore there's still the 10% change

>set_country_flag = austrian_destiny
If you are Austria this means you can form Germany without giving up anything

>>183411143
>that's all vanilla tho
True, it's a shame this mod can't modify the game, if only a mod could modify a game, but sadly a mod can't modify the game.

What is mod short for again?

Never seen this happen before

>>183411330
>blames a mod for vanilla mechanics
wew

>>183411475
Nothing's stopping him from fixing the shitty mechanics.

>>183411573
except the fact he doesn't have the source code

>>183411292
Listen closer, I said Austria form KUK as the only requirements are the liberal revolutions have passed, and either Italy, NGF, or Germany has formed. The event i posted is when you form Germany with Austria in your sphere. As of right now, Austria can't form Germany without giving away it's non-core lands

>>183411573
you cant fix hardcoded mechanics

>>183411292
>>183411667
Let me correct myself, the requirements for forming the KUK is
allow = {
war = no
OR = {
NGF = { exists = yes }
GER = { exists = yes }
nationalism_n_imperialism = 1
is_greater_power = no
}
has_country_flag = had_liberal_revolution
}

Hell, right after the war to beat them out of GP status and sphere them they can form KUK

>"socialism"

you guys excuse, I got to go puke

>>183411645
>>183411859
Lads, Robmod fixes this, it's literally a line of code, there's no hardcode there, the sourcecode isn't required. He could make it need 100% pacifism support if he so wished.

>>183412083
no, it is hardcoded
what rob did was to remove the requirement altogether in the defines.lua, which doesn't make sense for democracies
you can do that yourself or use alwaysadd wargoal cheat if you want to cheat

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How should I enrich my empire?

>>183411208
Continental drift and tectonic plates my man. The mediterranean used to be an ocean when Gondwana was a thing.

>>183412083
>He could make it need 100% pacifism support if he so wished.
No, he couldn't. That's hardcoded retard, stop talking about shit you clearly don't know about.

>>183412295
what mod is that?

>>183412295
What mod?

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This will really help my Germanization.

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>>183408310
Realized a mistake in determination.

So if you're going for enough artillery for a full siege bonus, leader fire becomes better at mil tech 14.

Assuming full cav flank and a combat width of infantry.

>>183412254
>democracies
>needing support for war
I don't remember any referendum on any American war ever.

>>183412717
>support for war means making a referendum
retard

Democracies in paradox games need support to declare war because swedish people are psychopathically statist.They can't even fathom the possibility of the war lobby and corrupt politicians having their way.

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>spent all day converting a HOI2 battle scenario to DH for no reason thanks to prescription drug induced motivation

Would anyone play the old HOI2 battle scenarios if I converted all of them to DH

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Should I replace Goering? What happens if I just keep him?

>>183413609
Get that corrupt motherfucker out of there for the good of the fatherland.

>>183405897
Seriously though, I have seen this happen on several occasions. Is it because of America's cotton?

>>183413609
whenever i hear of Göring in KR, i always find it funny because it reminds me of that one AAR, The Crown Atomic

Göring becomes increasingly rogue and treats Africa like his own personal kingdom, eventually declaring himself Viceroy and becoming the German version of Rhodesia, except super large

>>183413552
>They can't even fathom the possibility of the war lobby and corrupt politicians having their way.
Says the guy who can't fathom that support to declare war represents that

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>>183410263
HPM really should allow non-immigration based countries to get the immigration quotas reform

>>183413598
maybe

>>183413969

hummm no

the united states doesn't even war propaganda anymore, they just bypass congress and public opinion and declare wars via executive order

>>183413598
what drugs

and yes

>>183414609
and who takes the decision to go war doesn't need to desire to go to war?
the senate doesn't need to decide on that and the senators don't need to want that?

>>183412548
You should annex the other Southern Germans for more Southern German pops. At least in the beginning of the game, there's as many Southern Germans in Baden, Wuttumberg, Bavaria and the OPM as there are in Austria

>>183414113
>those US borders
>that name placement

disgusting

>>183412336
Surely someone's made some simple algorithm for simulating that for the purposes of making fantasy maps by now

>>183414819
There's no easy way to do it, you have to release them, stop Prussia sphering them, then war them, it's just not logical.

Besides, there's something ebin about a huge sprawling empire having just 2 million pops.

>>183414807

>the senate doesn't need to decide on that and the senators don't need to want that?

That's how it should work theoretically, but since vietnam all american wars started by the POTUS declaring war via executive order without congress approval.It just takes the president's will to go to war or not.

>>183415143
and the president isn't part of the population and he doesn't have a cabinet or generals?

>>183409038
There's loads of exploits and abusable things you can do in hoi3 that need to be changed for multiplayer lad, have you ever played it?

>Harm + mar + mar + mar X 5 with Germany's starting fleet as a deathstack and some landing craft licences from Japan means you can conquer Britain as Germany literally whenever
>Harm+inf+inf+inf as France on all non Maginot provinces means AI Germany will literally never break through and just grind themselves away for years
>You can then use Frances starting navy to doomstack invade Italy and Japan with harm+mar+mar+mar VP sniping
>Paratroopers are so OP they're basically broken and cheating to use
>In MP you can just starve Germany of resources as USA or Soviets and mean they can never properly build anything

The list goes on and on. A game being exploitable doesn't make it a bad game

Hoi4 is a bad game but not because of exploits

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NGF formed and broke their alliance with me, so I allied France.


If Germaniums wants to forms it has to go through ME.

>>183415231

Is it concise with democracy a president declaring war by himself? That's called an autocracy.