/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General!

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First for shitposting

>>183298521
>clans are still winning in the CW
>when you invade the inner sphere so hard you conquer terra and derail the lore in every possible way and make piggy break the whole game with nerfs because retirement home davions keep whining about clans being op
I think the tryhards are just keeping up the clan steamroller purpose and out of spite by this point, they're going to try and see how much they can fuck the game's shit up by proxy.

woah that linking park dude killed himself wtf

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=151&l=7dc75c811be297199f0980dca0b3bf738b5dc06a

lol

>most retarded aidsniggers voting the most retarded maps and most retarded gamemodes
>piggy still not removing the most retarded maps and retarded gamemodes from the goddamn fucking game

>>183306359
If you just want a Mechlab maybe HeavyMetal Pro or Solaris Skunk Werks are more your speed.

>>183310263
I just want fucking skirmish on maps that aren't dogshit, with players that are atleast minimally viable instead of players having asscancer in the brain and aids in the cortex.

Literally worst matches i have ever fuckign seen and played. Fucking gas the whole human race, what the fuck is the problem with 10000x times more fucking retards in the queue. Fuck this patch, fuck doatech and fuck these braindead shitters.

>>183311218
>getting this upset over video games
get actual help

>>183300887

On Chris Cornell's birthday, too. Not at all coincidentally.

>>183306359

>Paul watching the chat logs while he jacks off into a pile of whaledollars, lubricated with your salty ragetears

You know that's why.

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>>183310602
You would have to time travel back to 1996 with NetMech for MechWarrior 2 to get that experience. Also to get working quad Mechs which is lostech like inverse kinematics, player operated dedicated servers and fun.

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>>183300887

I guess he's done crawling in his skin. Do you think he was contemplating living things and the papercuts while realizing in the end it doesn't really matter?

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>>183311218
It's gonna be pretty bad while people try out all the new doa tech

Some of the stuff is remotely viable on the IS side so if you have more IS mechs you might have a better chance.

Things to avoid though

>RACs, especially boated
>Ass To Mouth missiles
>Heavy Lasers
>Microlasers
>MRMs
>Heavy and light gauss

A bunch of the newtech IS weapons have clan levels of heat like their ppcs so flamers are working especially well recently.

>>183316278
Now he'll have plenty of things crawling in his skin, and his wound literally cannot heal.

>>183316527
hello turbo shitter
I bet you need quad stacks of red smoke just to break 500

>>183316527

>MRMs

I watched someone in a Vindicator with an MRM 40 and nothing else.

It was actually fun and he got two kills from his torso mounted 25% cooldown quirked missile jizzer.

>>183311218
Do you need a safe space, some tendies and a plushie of a pony before you burst into tears?

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>>183316527
>flamers are working especially well recently
Yes, yes they are.

>modular weapon cancer system so all weapons look identical across all platforms
>they still somehow managed to fuck up the entire point of that when half the mechs in the game don't show the new weapon models

I just can't believe this company is real sometimes

>>183317971
Well of course quirks make it different, but if you want to cum missiles all over someone then use MRMs.

If you want to actually destroy an IS quirk mech you'll need more direct firepower.

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>>183318704

It sounds like standard PGI tactics.

>tfw enemy team actually turns polar dumplands into a brawl
twas cool
we won

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http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=154&l=26f3f451bad4dba8b6cda6b0a13c3268dbea8e2d

We must refurbish old klassics with nutech memes.

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>>183298324
Huelander IIC still as good as ever tho, the spooky alpha still makes everyone back down, doesnt matter than you can basically do it once every 7 seconds.

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>>183323104
What would the Jack Attack, Shaq Attack look like with nutech?

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http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=146&l=f5969496f3d9bd1871381491319110c4c6984300

r8

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>hey goys we're gonna introduce your favorite clan nova cat
>we will surely honor your lore commitment by letting fucking stevie wonder redesign their emblem
>it's no longer a cat looks like a bat or a fucking gremlin wtf
>couple of days later
>here's a totally fine one
I'm at a loss of words desu. Why not make it good the first time? How they manage to fuck up in simple stuff like that? Are they fucking retarded or just plain lazy? Did they think people won't notice or do they do their job normally only when people shit on them?

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>>183325176

>mfw he doesn't remember PGI's vision for clans.

>>183316527
My 2RAC5 Bushwacker has actually been doing really well
Have not enjoyed MRMs though, even boating small ones like 3 MRM20 or 4MRM10. 4x AS4M4 just feels way better, so I switched my Griffin 3M back to that with an LFE.

Don't ask me about my 6HMG Shadow Cat.

>>183326167
Can I ask you about your 6HMG Shadow Cat?

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How do I fit stealth armor on a DDC without stupid compromises?

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>>183325548
Amazing, simply epic.

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>>183327338
>stealth armor
>he doesn't know

Real Kong dongers don't need stealth armor

>>183327338
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=17&l=9f0d447548c51fec3f3ecd52ad6ca644d1708838

With the power of memes.

>>183326981
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>183328257

>AMS.

I think you're using the wrong atlas.

>>183325548
I'm sorry, but the Jade Falcon one is better.

The others are shit, but JF is dank

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http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=17&l=972634e4a6aeadbf13c7fe3517a5bc6b5ea0a531

Is this a gud robutt?

I want to get into MWO. Are LRMBoats viable?

>>183325548
>>183329164
Honestly, the PGI Falcon isn't too bad. It's not as bright as the standard decal, and it has a slightly better layout so I can fit it onto my mechs much cleaner.

But I will admit, the others look like ass.

>>183329432
Yes, but you'll only be viable 50% of the time, and a lot of people will hate you, either for being a relentless LRM sandblaster or being an unsupportive back-line camper.

>>183329826

So like playing Arty in WoT, then?

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>>183330061
Basically. LRM boats are either amazing or useless with no inbetween, and most people have one or more reasons to dislike them. They can be incredibly helpful, but I've also had a fair share of matches where an LRM boat will just stand and watch their team get slaughtered while they tunnel vision on getting target locks that break before launch.

>>183330350

Is there a way to LRMboat without that happening?

Dumbledore dies

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>>183330604

No, and the faster you stop wanting to be a shitty LRMboat, the sooner you'll start having fun.

The closest lurms get to viability is having one or two on a robot with stronk missile kwirks and high speed, so you can support the rest of your team at 400~ meters. LRMs are actually really shitty at extreme ranges.

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>>183331042
Awwww, show us on the mech plushie where the big bad LRMBoater touched you.

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>>183331428
Nobody got ever touched by a lrm boat, it's just shit m8.

At a certain point in life you just should start to git gud and stop using lurms.

>>183318704
Dont worry, if you put 2 L-PPCs in a locust on one arm, the 2nd PPC, gets the generic laser box.

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>>183331042

I think this is cool shit, okay?

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>>183324505

Oh crap I just saw the email from PGI about all the new equipment.

I haven't played MWO or been in this thread in over a year but I'm afraid of relapsing

Guys what do I do

>>183333668
kys

>>183333668
Know this: everything new is worse than what was old.

>>183333668
You're in luck because you'll find half a dozen new builds to try out and each will be more fun than the last.

Eventually you find one build to rule them all and you'll love it and never put it down until the next patch when they nerf it

>>183332353
It would be cool if mechs could carry giant fuck off missiles like this.

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>>183140928
Sometimes the jokes just write themselves

>>183334616
Is that title for being a whale?

>>183334282

They do, They're called Thunderbolts and Arrows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J02Ghmz4JAo

>>183335072
>mechwarrior game
>lol planes!
laff everytime

>>183335227

>The mech torso can't bend to point up
>Dies a slow death.
laff erry time.

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>there are people who still play living memes.

>>183337436

>There are no more new archie sonic comics.
>Lincoln park is ded
>Atari is making a console

Is this the golden age I had waited for?

Face it, MW would be better of without a heat system. Its obvious that EVERYONE hates it, just theyre too pussy to admit it. Nobody polays Terra Therma because they cant grasp heat maangement and would rateher it never existed.

>>183339117
I always vote for terra therma because then I can farm scrubs like you who can't understand heatbars.

gg ez

>>183339320
I never said I hated the heatsystem, I said everyone else does. People would always chose to be able to shoot until ammo runs dry without overheating over the current game.

should I get back into MWO

>>183339915
no

>>183339915
yes

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>>183338496

>there are people who don't read the Sonic comic.

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>>183337436
>There are people who still think there's hope for man

>>183339915
maybe

>>183329432

Yes. But you'll always be third-rate, because you're perpetually spreading your damage all over targets while other weapons are making neat holes in vital parts of your opponent's anatomy.

On the other hand, the salt that can be had from beating people who think they're better with your missile boat is delicious. You have to git gud, you have to be aggressive, and contrary to what you'll see every LRM retard do, you can't be a rear-echelon motherfucker bombing every lock and hiding 500m behind everyone else.

It's easy to be a lurmtard, but lurmtards contribute nothing. Get in close. Get your own locks whenever you can. Take some hits. Mix it up with your bros, learn where your blunt force sandblasting helps the most, and you may be one of the few missile boaters that's not a complete shit.

And don't just pack LRMs. At least some lasers, and use them.

>>183330061

Not quite. You don't hide behind everyone else unless you want to be a parasitic failboat. LRMs have huge range, but they're only accurate to about half that, which means you want to be in the firing line.

You can get shots around cover others can't, but you have to be aware of what's out there lest you end up slamming salvo after salvo into a random rock or building. There is no "near miss" for LRMs- either you kept lock the whole way in (or got it back before impact), or you wasted ammo on dirt.

>>183342368
>>183340535
>>183340845
getting mixed messages

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>>183330604

Yes. Ignore newbie lurmers. Newbie lurmers think they can be safe, far behind the lines where nobody will hit them and all their missiles will unfailing strike dirt in their whale-like assault missile waddle turret while chanting "I'M HELPING, I'M HELPING!".

Decent LRM boats are mediums or heavies, have reasonable if not good mobility to position (and get your own fucking locks as often as possible), and carry a decent secondary battery both to protect themselves up close and to save on ammo by burning weak spots in targets/finishing off shit because LRMs are the worst at focused damage to single sections of a robot.

If you can't keep up with the rest of your team, you are too fucking slow to use missiles. If you don't get your own locks, your useless Artemis will mock you with it's bonuses as launch after launch goes wild because your poking-buddy team only gives you five seconds of red square to target before dropping the lock and pissing your attempt to help into the nearest terrain feature. If you don't mount proper secondaries, the enemy light will light a victory cigar over your smoking corpse because LRMs and face/butthugging lights do not mix well for the guy with the missiles.

You can hit people at angles no direct fire weapon can, so you can use weird positions. But, you have to be in places where if the brawlers see you, you can skedaddle someplace the rest of the team can ream them since your secondaries usually only will make the other guy hurt, but can't kill them fast unassisted.

On a good map, you will put up four digit damage + kill lots and be the guy everyone on the other team hates for being their tormentor. On a bad map, you will struggle to survive, hit a target, and be relieved you even got a kill, if the stars aligned and you managed to catch some tard in the two inches between covered spots with a lucky salvo.

Missile boats are the most situational beasts in the game, and I love them for it.

Dual RAC5s on the D-DC is pretty dope.

LRMs are best used as side weapons on Heavy and Assault mechs like Whisper's Highlander build, where you can hit people hard and supplement or be versatile at long range with LRMs.

Mediums can do this well at the cost of a harder hitting primary weapon setup. Wish they got buffed though like the Trebber.

siege on yung trebber

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>hurr hurr what is this roleplaying peepeecee meme build.
>you're like, man, you've become the old men.
>proceed to do less than 100 damage.

Shit, nice double digit memes.

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>>183344606

This is the power of an MRM Trebuchet now (winning team). I know he got me from behind with 60 MRMs, which was enough to cripple me in one shot and overkill me the second.

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>refunded Annihilator and Madcat MkII cause I decided they weren't worth my money
>definitely got my money back
>decide to login now to check out new tech and mechs
>find this

free madcat II pack!

>>183328257
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=17&l=efb073362e49c7724648c4d5b3c3bd2d530e9695

Don't think you want to be running around in the middle of the enemy group while super hot from the armor. Maybe you might not like MRMs, but hey at point blank range it has only marginally less alpha damage than the typical SRM bomb.

>>183350410
Mmm, sure.

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>>183351520
I'm telling the truth. I refunded my packs

https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/178690113/#q178908438

>>183345159

At least they did not do 11(eleven) dmg in MRBC

>>183329432
I would honestly direct new players into laser vomit & ballistic builds over LRM's, every time. LRM's are a fine experience of landing half of your ammo or less on a target due to target loss, cover, etc on top of it only being sandblast damage (arms, legs, all torsos) instead of the center target or leg you'd rather concentrate on.
Don't do it. Just don't do it. Get some beams and ballistics and focus on the 500 meter range game and use distance, cover, and movement to reduce incoming fire.

Learning to Brawl will come later.

So what exactly does stealth armor do?
"When active, Stealth Armor will make your 'Mech invisible to Enemy Sensors and Targeting systems, remaining visible only to the naked eye."
Isn't that already what ECM does?

>>183350410
>Bought the Uziel pack and just the Uziel pack, double checked and I only paid for the one pack
>For some fucking reason got annihilators too
Neat. Based Piggy still has no idea what it's doing.

>>183355834
I assume it means you're permanently untargetable, ignoring BAP or even TAG.
It would be fucking based if it made you have no heat signature too.

>>183355834
No. ECM only stops lock-ons and targeting from a certain range, stealth armor stops it at ANY range. As in, while the armor is active, you cant get locked onto by missiles, you cant be spotted, and since you cant be spotted the enemy can't see your paperdoll to know where you've taken damage. The only counter to this is getting hit with a PPC since that will disable your electronics, temporarily turning off your ECM and your stealth armor.

It's like ECM, but better and more useful in every conceivable way, at the cost of not dissipating heat even though you'll still dissipate heat anyway if the map is cold enough because piggy code

>>183356694
Good news, it absolutely does make you invisible to thermal vision. And yes, you're immune to BAP and shit.

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"Cougar COU-Prime [S]: Fixed an issue where the default Colour for the special Prime variant was using a shade of green, rather than a shade of brown."

YES.
YES.
FUCKING THANK YOU. FUCK.

>>183357037
Does anyone have the orange Xbox 360 cover for MWO?

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>>183357159

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>>183356902
>Pubbies face when you turn deactivate your Warbosse's stealth armor right in their face on a midnight map

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Dare I?

>>183357524
>three MRM 20s
>top MRM has 20 holes, middle one has 10 holes, bottom has 2 holes

? ? ?? ? ?? ??

>>183357962
there's a mechanism inside to move stuff to the holes or something.

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>>183357962
>>183357524
Can it even fire that properly?

Also
>decide to take my heavy out for a spin instead of my lights
>Conquest, Tourmaline
>allies mob on Theta, ignore all other flags and get slaughtered. I get picked apart by lights.
>Domination, PolarLurmlands
>allies sit just behind cap circle, refuse to engage, get flanked and picked off by LRM boats. Die holding circle
>Assault, Viridian Bog
>Allies take low path, get cut apart by enemy assaults on the plateaus. Last stand with Uziel, both eat shit from massed autocannons. Viper tries to hide via shutdown, gets spotted immediately
>Escort, Forest Colony
>Allies decide to camp away from the VIP's path, enemy kills anyone away from the main group before encircling the remainder. Die early trying to slow enemy column

Holy fuck, I just want my daily win so I can go back to going fast and flying.

>>183357962
That will be ten short bursts to unload that missile launcher. Just like in the old Raven.

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>PGI's favorite shill pokes around corner
>greet with lucky 21 doses of short range ass-to-mouth and watch him flee minus an arm and most of his torso
>he leaves the enemy lurmapult wide open
>free solo kill

It was a good night.

>>183358820
The weapons behave correctly in-game.

I heard they put ghost heat for pepsigoose, is this true? What haven't they nerfed.

>>183358820

Late night weekdays is full of nothing but nolife oldmen in random trashbots. It's more a game of watching what stupid thing they'll do next.

>>183359943

They linked them for ghost heat into the same group, very true.

>>183323525
gib smurfy plox

So, outside of tons of IS Mechs switching from XL to LFEs, what are some new Meta mechs or Meta builds that are definitely going to stick around once people get bored of RACs, MRMs, Heavy Lasers and Ass To Mouth?

>>183357524
go ahead i've alrdy killed idiot with that build

>>183361027
was it me?

>>183360636
>new meta mechs
>going to
It'll be quad heavymedlas ECM IFR next month.

>>183361823
>years later and the Ice Ferret memes still haven't stopped
plEASE

>>183332353
Do mrms or srms instead

>>183361863
>IFR
>memes
Wat?
Pantherposting - it is memes.
Harukoing - it is memes.
Spurdomech - is memes.
Ice Ferret - is love, is life.

>>183360636

Quad HPPC builds, for the assaults that can handle it. It's a rapid 1-2 30-30 and no fragile exploding Gauss, plus HPPC don't have a deadzone like regular PPCs. Ultra/10 + UAC/5 builds on Maulers and such.

I'm seeing a lot of heavy laser Hellbringers. It actually works.

Definitely not getting bored with ATMs. Too many fights at under 500m, especially on maps like Mining. The ATMs worked where LRMs are usually dodgy.

>>183361325
dunno it was 2 days ago i was a cougar

>>183360636
The new meta includes massed ballistics, ACs with pepsi/lasers, goose with lasers and pure laser vomit with some new flavors. PPC boats exist still but dakka outperforms them. So pretty much nothing changed, pepsi goose just got removed from the game.

>>183362280
Jokes on you, HPPC do have a deadzone.

Will 4x SRM6 + 2 MPL Shadow Cat be any good when we get the new pods?

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Is butterbee with lurms and light peepees a gud meme?

>>183363441
>Shadow Cat
> 4x SRM6
Um, what?

>>183364085
It's getting a 1M LT omnipod when they release the hero Scat and Ferret

>>183363441
While you can put it on it I think that's going to be too hot to sustain and the MPLs will be useless. If you just want accessory lasers heavy mediums would be better I think.

I'm just going to run 4ASRM6 with 2 flamers.

>>183364621
That build makes more sense.

>>183364116
Wow, cant wait for quad streaks.

>>183364665
I'm also considering uLs or uPLs too. They've got a short enough duration and low enough heat generation you should be able to use them with the SRMs freely.

I haven't considered any builds without Artemis because the SHC doesn't want to actually get into facefuck range, it wants to ideally be poptarting at around 90-150m from a target. Regular SRMs are just sandblasters at those ranges.

>>183364810
You'll only get 4t of ammo if you do that. I don't think it's a very good option, but there are worse choices for a streakboat I suppose.

>>183359648
Excuse me but who let Pardo in GONK?

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>>183365401

He let himself in.

Why the fuck MRMs have 300 ammo per tonne? I've loaded my Zombiecent with 3xMRM10s and 2ERMLs and 5t of ammo - and it was SUFFICIENT. WOW.

>>183365968
1500 is 1500 sand blast damage, you can probably get away with 1200 if you're only using 10s though

>>183365968
You may also want to try RAC5 + 3MRM10 (or 2MRM10+RL20 for spaces)

>>183365968
Because half of them never hit the target and the other half that does spreads it across all components.

Yes, very efficient.

>Faction Play event
just fucking cut shit into pieces

May i once again ask if i can do anything fun with the Grid Iron i have, considering civil war tech?

>>183366705
>acheve a 100k c-bills
>many wows
>we'll sell some heroes with a discount
>but wont tell you what
>probably we're still cant decide

>>183366783
Heavy Gauss on it is worth a giggle or two.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=133&l=3ee2c0b4704dcbe936f56109481bb7ba4a727598

>>183366783
yeah sell it and use the mech bay on a good mech

Recommend me a good D-DC build with newtech. Light engine gives a lot of new possibilities.

>>183366923
I cant, it was a gift, sheer generousity from the pig.

>>183366941
Depends of that ballistics do you prefer, but ITT there's a two nice D-DC.
I, personally, think a snubnose one with stealth should be better.

Is this newtech Cent actually any good? The damage is there I guess...
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=440&l=6935aaa2612e1355f436447e3c25ef9117e44455

>>183366394

>>183366705
>100 matches
You can bet your dick that the pattern redeems are after something like 80 matches. Just imagine the people this event will draw out to play CW and just how the matches are going to play.
>hold lock plz, me bring lrm deck
Better to just commit sudoku or get a spot in a 12 man because things are going to get cancerous.

>>183367102
you literally can

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tried playing this but the robots handle like garbage. how do you guys deal with it?
it takes forever for them to change speed, which wouldnt be so bad, but the game is entirely devoid of strafe, its almost like silent hill controls.

>>183367269
What is your prediction about CW map after the event?

>>183367463
fuck off weeb

>>183367449
??? I thought it's the same as the [NCIX]Cent.
Oh, i will then, thx.

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>>183367569
>tfw will never be able to sell the NCIX cent

>>183367569
it's an actual hero mech rather than some promotional thing so you can

>>183367463
Mechwarrior is a tank game where the tanks walk on two legs, senpai.

You don't need to strafe when you can turn your torso 90 degrees. You've got to learn to be more methodical in your movement and positioning.

>>183367659
You can ask them to delete it from your account if you really want.

>>183367659
Wait, there's more
>its the same Cent you've already have
>MULTIPLE times

>>183367186
How the hell is stealth armor worth it on D-DC? It's 12 fucking slots on a 100 ton assault that needs all the slots it can get to fill those 100 tons. It's barely an improvement over normal ECM.

I literally cant find a flaw in this, except paywall.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=548&l=850344e3819a04003e929ea1c8e404ed735d8cfd

>>183367485
Your guess is as good as mine. A lot of big merc units are on IS but the IS loyalist crew is still the same bunch of pants-on-head retards and practically comatose pensioners. Some clans still have large active loyalist units with players who can actually play and a few merc units are still hanging on the clan side. So I can't really know can the mercs carry the shitters to win the tug of war. The IS loyalists are just deadweight that might be too much to carry.

>>183367925
>lt that needs all the slots it can get to fill those 100 tons. It's barely an improvement over normal ECM
>BARELY

Oh, you have even tried the stealth, amirite?

>>183368114
You've probably never seen an Atlas if you think you can fucking stealth one. Let alone at point blank brawling range.

Total waste of tonnage and crits.

>>183368114
All it does is make you still invisible within the 250m. But if you're that close they can almost certainly see you out of the window. Also TAG immunity. And it's all at the small cost of 12 slots and not being able to dissipate heat.

>59,333 c-bills
reee I want to be rich

>>183368304
>At point blank
I've foung ur problem. You use stealth only to approach. Okay?

>>183368414
>look out, a fucking skyscraper is creeping up on us!

>>183368386
Was rich two days ago. Now i can imagine how's it - spending all your space moneys for a new toys.
>this is awesome
>would waste c-bills again

>>183368030
>STD engine

>>183368386
play a light with massed ams
guaranteed cbills in solo queue even if you suck

>>183368470
You are a CW player? Because in pugsea there's shit going on you cant imagine.

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>>183367269
It's already happening. The tards are waddling in thinking their new toys mean easy wins.
>cw skirmish match, pugs vs pugs
>people are just running around in the background or hiding together behind on small boulder as far back as possible
>clan pugs are grouping up and carefully advancing towards us, encircling the huddled tards
>spot the reds, put an uav up and chat it to them because mic is rekt
>no reaction
You can guess how the match went. The shitters were absolutely assblasted when I said everyone with less than 1000 dmg should be reported for assisting the enemy. Some lurmie told me to stfu and to just wait to see the scores. I was top scorer with most kills and second highest dmg, we were the only ones above 2k with 2 others breaking 1k. And I just went in to fuck around with some stupid nu-tech builds. I don't know why I keep going back there. It's just cancer through and through.

>>183368760
If you want to be invisible on approach normal ECM will do a perfectly fine job. No need for stealth armor.

>>183368760
You think your Atlas is hidden in group queue?

>>183368803
Remember, the Tukkayyd was won by IS :^)

What's a nice fast quirky Medium that can fit two Heavy Pepsis and not melt inside their cockpit?

>>183369428
You'll need an Assault for that.
Vindicator is top tier single HPPC fun.

>>183369428
GRF-1E, SHD-2K, TBT-7K, HBK-4P, CN9-AL

Ok so I haven't played in a long time, but I'm looking to use this new tech on my marauders and marauders IIC's. I also got the new civil mechs but I'll look at those later. That said thought I'm not sure how to build my marauders

>>183369703
Oh, and BSW-P2 and BJ-3 too if you really want to. Maybe a a crab. The rest can't do it without exploding or can't bring back up weapons.

>>183370229
Show me a 2HPPC medium WITH backup weapons that runs cool. You can't.

>>183369703
Something like this, then?
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=63&l=f04c591d3c900beef616becbb5f1c288ea54ef4d

>>183370423
Nothing with 2 HPPCs runs cold. But you can still fit it into a medium with backups and make it viable. I have used it on my Sparky and done well on hot maps too. The quirks and skills make a difference. But really its better to use a heavy or an assault for them.

>>183370686
>two heavy PPCs
>11 heatsinks
You wanted something that doesn't melt itself
Mediums are just about capable of running two regular PPCs without constantly shutting down, you can forget about two heavy PPCs

>>183370686
fast
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=63&l=416eb08fb649b559b9f3272352b1a0c0b07b2b12

less hot
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=63&l=d7011475a4622f23279c358cf4c63f3b075b5455

>>183370686
If you want to hurt someone in your deadzone, you need to use a XL. HMGs or some missiles. Don't invest too much in ammo, if you play your cards right you won't need to fire your backups at all.

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>>183368304

>he doesn't know how to stealth in an atlas.
>2017.

>>183370686
If you just want 2HPPCs and go fast, take a heavy instead. A Quickdraw, Rifleman, Firebrand or something. Mediums can do it, but heavies do it better. Maybe a Grasshopper with those high mounts, XL 340 and JJs for poptarting.

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>two man.
>20 minutes later, still searching.

>>183371489
Two mans are the worst, three and above are where it's solid.

>>183370423
>with backup weapons

Why would you want backup weapons when you have 2HPPC on a medium?

Tell me about the Vindicator 1X. Is one PPC + one ballistic something or other really nice on it?

The main thing I'm looking for is a fast ~30 damage PPFLD to mess with

>>183371759
because he said it was possible

>>183371814
>Vindicator
>fast

>>183371814
certified memebuild coming through
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=208&l=cbab871430784a6d9f5b77f130f7f4e38a43d5e5

MRMs are a good way to take advantage of the 25% missile cooldown reduction

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Where's my IS equivalent?

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So glad I bought Durifto Samurai Zeus hero
So glad for MRMs

>>183372514
Hold up, rumpapojke. 2 PPCs?

>>183372514
What is a Commando?

>>183372803
>he doesnt know about Clans-pre-alpha MLX with two CERPPCs and two CERLLs

>try 6x rotary AC2
>AWESOME
>3 seconds of fire causes overheat
muh ghost heat mechanic

>try normal AC
>get rekt by nuAC spam

>try lrm20 light mech
>takes literally 5 minutes of spamming a heavy mech to kill it in testing grounds


autocannon online: lurms are just to annoy people edition

>>183373341
2x RAC5 is all you need.

Is 6x Streak4s Cat-A1 with BAP viable? I tried it but streaks are hard to use in the peak-a-boo environment.

>>183373827
Direct dumb fire is always better than facing an enemy to get lock only to sandblast them with spread dmg. Get a K2 with 2 UAC10s and 4 MLs instead.

>>183373827
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=13&l=7c2766f41857096bed9da51f7b84354651e45798

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is there a cuter mech?

onii-chan stop staring

How's the LB-X 5? 700 range on paper. What's the real effective range with the 2 skill nodes for -10% spread?

>>183375970
Doesn't matter because it's a straight downgrade from the normal AC5. So is the LB2 and the LB20. Only the LB10 is worthwhile because it weighs less and takes less crit space than the AC10, something the other versions don't have.

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>>183375559

>>183376401
LB-X 5 is only one more crtit compared to normal and you get +50% damage. I'd say that it's a straight upgrade. The real choice is LB-X 5 vs UAC5 anyway and that's harder.

>>183376745
Oh wait. I forgot crits only apply to internals. Nevermind then. Haven't played for too long.

>Nightstar NSR-9J
>Ballistics and Energy
>Nightstar NSR-9FC
>Ballistics and Energy
>Nightstar NSR-9S
>Ballistics and Energy
>Nightstar NSR-9P
>Ballistics and Energy
>Nighstar NSR-10P
>Ballistics and Energy
>Nighstar NSR-WP 'Wolf Phoenix'
>Missiles and Energy

hmm I wonder what kind of builds I'm going to run in these

>>183377038
Would you go so far as to say that it really made you think?

>>183377335
At least the Osiris comes standard with a ballistic variant, an energy variant and a missile variant.

>>183377038
how about non, the only reason i would preorder is for colours and the ones in these packs are lackluster to say the least

>>183379149
but but dual goose

>faction play event with over 9000 matches of grindan
Thanks pig, thig

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When's robot roleplaying games?

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I believe the goldforums have finally spawned something that can be considered funny.

>>183381072
>goldforums

Twinky drew that you big baka.

a fucking faction play event
has PGI still not figured out that nobody enjoys that mode?

>Love the way the Madcat Mk. II looks
>But only when it has the big giant missile pods
>LRMs are kind of useless

suffering

>>183384138
You can always use ass to mouth missiles :^)

>>183384138
Such a shame that the most iconic aspect of the Mad Cats makes them extremely weak.

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>oh boy, time to get back into CW
>currently at 20 mins of staring the spinny thing
oh boy, indeed

>>183385190
Why are you playing it now?

The event doesn't start for hours.

>it's a "mumble goes down and shaix is half across the world unable to fix it" episode
rip event weekend

>>183385463
Just wanted to get some games before the tards join the fray.

>>183386594
why

>>183385810
Use Discord.

What hero to get on sale?

>>183386647
Because it's been a forever and a half since I last played it.

>>183386594
>play Fucktard Wars
>expect intelligent or skilled players

>>183386953
>What hero to get on sale?
Maybe you should wait until they tell us what is on sale, hothead.

>>183386953
Misery, Firebrand, Pirates Bane, Arrow if you want meme guns, Flame, Jester, Top Dog, Mjölnir, Grinner, Kaiju, Reaver, Black Widow, Scorch, all good choices. If you want some P2W pods, go for the Medusa, Pakhet or the Red Line.

>>183385810
Works on my machine.

>>183386953
hhhahaha good joke

ATMs are neat. Janky as all fuck, but still neat.

nobody tell haruko
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=550&l=61925fff1aca27c0e6cd1aaf95402650a731e302

Am I a scrub for taking all of the jump-jets off my Madcat so I can fit more heat sinks on it? I found even with max jump, all popping up ever did was get me shot in the top a lot.

Why does stealth armor stop me from acquiring targets

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How's this? What skill trees are best for brawling?

>>183389661
in assaults you use jump jets to get over annoying obstacles and at best, slowly hover over to slightly higher ground that you otherwise wouldn't be able to reach without looking for a ramp

it's essentially just a luxury for saving time, helps you get into positions faster

>>183389661
Assaults have not been allowed to jump since The Cutting of Wings. So, no you are not a scrub. Class I JJs are useless.

>>183389959
>>183389971

Well, I feel better. Thank you. Sometimes I fall into the trap of "well, it comes with [x component], it must be integral to its gameplay somehow and I'm increasingly learning that's not true.

best K-9 builds?

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>>183389934
Missed the CT slots damn. Fixed.

>>183390197
one RAC5 nothing else

>>183389661
The only time assault JJs can really help you get places is in Mining Collective and some parts of Bog and Canyon. Come to think of it, I haven't played a single match on Canyon for a really, really long time.

>>183375559
kitfox

>>183390179
The only one to feel that way about is the -4. With no quirks despite the other variants getting them, and having 4E and 4M, the only thing that sets it apart are the 4JJs it can take compared to the other MKIIs' 3.

>>183385190
>finally got a CW match
>just like I rememberd, pure AIDS
>lets go back to QP
>10 mins of spinny thing for a QP
fucking hell

surprised how few people are running IS UAC10s

>>183389882
Probably because having it active suppressing all your electronic and heat output is like being in an enemy ECM field.

>>183391463
so why doesn't it say that it disables target acquisition and sharing in the description

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>>183389882

Memes.

>>183391920
I just wanna be a stealthy spotter for my team
ECM seems so unreliable for this compared to when I used to play forever ago

>>183392224
Unless you grab both the ECM nodes in the skilltree ECM is completely dogshit.*


*btw getting those nodes is a total waste of skill points so ECM is actually just completely dogshit period.

>>183391540
Because they rushed the patch and missed the important details like explaining how the equipment works in the game itself.

>The Inner Sphere now has access to Stealth Armor; a new Armor type unique to the Inner Sphere. Stealth Armor can only be equipped by ECM-capable 'Mechs, and only when ECM is currently equipped. Stealth Armor operates under an On/Off toggle state, and is toggled with the 'M' key (by default). When active, Stealth Armor will make your 'Mech invisible to Enemy Sensors and Targeting systems, remaining visible only to the naked eye. When Stealth Armor is active your ECM will automatically switch to Disrupt, and will function in that state as normal. Your Sensor Range is also reduced by 75% while your Stealth Armor is Active. When Stealth Armor is active your 'Mech will be prevented from dissipating any Heat your 'Mech is generating. In hot environments this will cause a gradual build-up of Heat, even when your 'Mechs is not in motion or otherwise engaged. When Stealth Armor is deactivated any retained Heat is quickly dissipated, and any passive Heat related to Stealth Armor activity from environmental or 'Mech effects is no longer generated. Once Stealth Armor is deactivated, you must wait for a period of 10 seconds before it can be reactivated. However, Stealth Armor can be immediately deactivated once it is activated. Stealth Armor requires 12 Critical Slots, but does not save you any tonnage.

Try to see if you can lock targets at less than 200-250 meters or so to confirm that 75% sensor reduction.

Quick question on Thor, do I need to use a variants and get the quirks? Or the quirks attached to each omnipod?

I got 875 MC what buy?

>>183392965
Nothing, because the most you can do with that is buy camo patterns and likely no colors.

>>183392965
1.1m CBILL

>>183393045
so an Urbie isnt even worth it

>>183392965
Only spend MC on single shot camo patterns, or colors but only when they go on sale.

When are they going to tell us which heros are on sale? I have speculations and I can't post them before my suspicions are confirmed.

>>183392965
Save that shit up until more trickles in, and buy mechbays during a mechbay sales or save up a lot of welfare MC over time so you can even buy heroes on a sale.

>>183392965
wait for the sale to start tomorrow and wait to see if there's anything you can. Or just hang onto it and see how much MC you earn during the event then go from there.

>>183393191
You only spend MC on mechs if you're buying a hero and there is a sale going on at the time. Urbie Hero isn't available for MC yet.

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Have I gone too far?

>>183393416
>>183393254

Ok then

Whats a good AC20 focused hero to look out for?

>>183394926
Misery and Gray Death. Flame, Firebrand and Elmo can mount it too.

>>183395268
Don't forget the Wang

But the case for pretty much all of those heroes is though
>hero
>good
>implying

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>>183394865

>>183395507
>implydingdongdiggeridoo that the misery with lfe and UAC20 isn't good

Sale is on

>>183392448
Here's another fun fact of pig code, unless they actually fixed it from the PTS: The Cyclops's flat sensor range increase of 150 applies after the % based range reduction from stealth armor. I still haven't quite figured out what weapons I want to mount on the thing, but the quirk alone makes it really good for stealth armor and it could (probably) take any build you'd put on a stealth armor ECM Atlas and be better at it, since you'll be able to actually target things with your armor active.

>>183394926
K-9

Oh thank fuck, the event progress is based on accumulated MATCH SCORE rather than games played. 12,800 in total to get all rewards, which includes whocares cockpit items, one faction decal, one faction color and one pattern.

>>183396708
So...maybe 6 games for T5 potatos to get everything. Cool.

>>183396708
>>183396812
I don't think you fully understand what kind of a pain in the dick getting match score in invasion is. If you have to use all or most of your mechs it'll tank your score. Atleast there's nothing of particular value available in the rewards so I don't have to bother, I'm already bored of the doatech and random nerfs upon clan nerfs patch.

Atleast some newfags will have easy time grinding a >FREE level 2 faction mechbay because there will be invasion games all the time, so good for them.

How often do steam packs go on sale?

I hate myself for even considering it

>>183399713
Usually only on Steam sales, so like it was on sale just on this last Summer Sale.

I honestly wouldn't. There's enough meck-packs out there, now with even just single mech grab packs, that are far better than a Steam Pack.

>all MC heroes on sale
>the cbill release of madman mk2 will invalidate basically every clan shitassault and especially Scorch anyway so it's the last chance for anyone to drop mone or MC on it
>the release of Wham IIC or Roflman IIC would delete all clan heavies including heroes
>the release of Bane would completely invalidate the massively MC-pricey Ultramemelent so that's a last chance to milk dosh again
Add to that the fact that all the big crowd-pleasers (Mad Mk2, Nova Cat) were already announced in the civil war packs. It's almost certain the next clan mechpack to be announced is Warhammer/Rifleman IIC or Bane.

Whats the quickest way to earn cbills: Faction warfare or Quick play?

Also what factions give the best rewards or is it all the same?

Sorry I'm new

>>183400990
rush into battle in a light with 2 airstrikes
i wish i were joking

>>183400990
Faction play is pretty bad unless you're in a full group pubstomping because FP doesn't have matchmaking.

All factions give same rewards but they're separate for all factions. The main thing you want to be looking for from faction play is getting the level 2 reward (a mechbay) from each faction and swapping over to the next one.

It's not a good place to start either way because you need to git gud playing normally first, even though you can put trial mechs in dropdecks.

>>183401162
Seriously? FFS

What have i gotten into

>>183401590
He's memeing, you shouldn't use consumables if you're trying to make money.

>>183402545
just seemed likely due to the amount of red smoke(i assume these are the air strikes)

Just takes the piss. Seems like people just use them like mad rather than shoot some one

>>183396074
How the hell UAC20 isn't good? It's like +80% damage improvement over AC20. The jam time is only slightly longer than UAC5 and can be further reduced. By skill nodes. This thing is a monster.

>>183403785
>jam in a brawl
>dead

My Timberwolf feels like ass now, too slow to use SRM alpha as a poke and then backup and too slow to torso twist brawl

>>183403984
It's only 6.5 seconds. 1.5x normal AC20 cycle. In the meantime you've already put 3 or 4 extra rounds into enemy before you jammed and killed them.

>>183403785
It's ten times better than the clan uac20, but it still spreads damage and needs facetime compared to the regular ac20.

>>183402883
>>183401162
As much as I see air strikes, I feel like they barely merit their costs. The enemy team is rarely bunched up enough to catch enough of them at once, and 9 times out of 10 they immediately scatter the moment they see red. Admittedly, I'm still new and have just been using the many freebie ones I got through the loot bag event, but so far I don't consider them worth 40k a pop.

>>183404134
>"only" 6.5 seconds
>cant effectively twist
>jam after first shot and instantly lose

it's better suited for mediums and faster heavies that can get away with it jamming, in a slow assault it's just too risky, take a normal AC20

Should I preorder the escalation packs and cancel a week or a couple days before patch and hope for FREE mechs?

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>a dragon, a 60 ton mech, with full survival tree has 113 CT armor and 67 structure

>>183404183
Play groups and you'll see people grouping up and getting crippled when 6 airstrikes land near thrm

>>183404179
>>183404271
The second round is out 1s after first. You still have 3s to twist

>>183404134
>>183403785
You say that, but in practice Ultra jams are killers on the field. When a few seconds is the difference between getting a kill and being killed, you'll wish you had an AC20 instead. When the enemy realizes your firing rate has relented, they'll know that you're vulnerable and they can open up for easy hits. When you jam 3 times in a row, you will curse the RNG gods and walk backwards into hell screaming at PGI

Don't get me wrong, an UAC20 is tons of fun. But be prepared for consequences.

>tfw you have mostly clans
>all your mechs got nerfed in some way

thanks piggy

>>183405264
but they didn't?

>Snub PPC and SRM4 on COM 2D

Feels good, would recommend

>>183405816
>snub-mando

what did he mean by this

>>183405264
Join the merc master-race. No matter what the piggy decides to nerf you are good.
>>183405419
lol you are out of the fucking loop

>>183405163
Statistically it's much better. With 95%+ probablility you'll get (many) more shots out of UAC20 than AC20 in the same timeframe.It's very much worth it that 5% because 90% of the time it won't jam immediately and you'll slaughter the enemy much faster than AC20. And after you've blow the enemy side torso even if it jams it's not that bad because the enemy already lost half his firepower.

What's the base structure HP for parts for a 100 tonner?

>>183405898
uh huh, do tell me how clans are nerfed and literally unplayable now

>>183406729
Literally tells you in the mechlab if you click on or hover over specific components.

>>183406989
wow I sure do love having a whole two weapons not nerfed into the dirt my man

>>183406991
Fuck I'm blind.

>>183400990
quick play, hero mechs

>>183407184
you mean just the most dominant build in the game since 2013 was finally slightly toned down

oh wow, yeah rip clans man rip

did you cry about it on the forums too, threatening to refund all your pre-orders and never play the game again?

>>183407184
please tell me how clans were nerfed
I'm not that guy, I'm actually asking, I haven't kept up with the game

>>183407184
People just switched to gauss vomit. Like holy shit oh no we had to go from the very best thing to the slightly worse second best thing that was meta before the best thing.

Goddamn kneejerk retard idiot.

>>183407590
They desynched engines from overall agility, so due to the nerfs in mobility across clans the overall effect is pretty huge, only mechs like the gargoyle were spared.

>>183365401

>it's another "Brain Cancer has to use chat again to prove he's not Mr. YIFF YIFF AUTISMO BOY" episode

Fug.

>>183405896
>>183405816
confirmed Smugmando fun as hell

>>183406989
>>183407382
>>183407590
Ignore him. Mouth-breathing autist munchkin players are fucking cancer, especially since to them anything that isn't 110% top tier due to number crunching and 'MUH META' is Literally Useless Garbage™.

Clan mechs are still fine, IS mechs are just in a much more favorable position against them than they were before the patch. The only thing that I'm feeling 'eh' about is the firing differences between IS and Clan Ultra-ACs

>>183407590
the clan lasers were gutted
goose pepsi makes you explode
mechs got their agility removed (much bigger impact than it sounds)
thats the big picture and all this just in time for IS to get new tech while clans got DOA bloat tech

>>183363040

No, they don't. They changed it to damage reduction instead on the first PTS patch, and that carried over to the live version.

ATMs still have a true deadzone, though, as do RLs (120m and 50m, respectively).

>>183408652
oh and the fucking UACs got nerfed to shit too
fuck

>>183407590
UAC nerfs
Engine dumpstering
Heat efficiencies of every viable weapon dunked to shit
MPL slapped back down in the ditch after it became the only viable weapon
Gausspepsi is kill
Ass To Mouth and HLs are DoA

>>183365559

Um, Vass? You've been on Kongdrops with me. More than once.

Do I really sound like Pardo? If so, BRB finding noose.

these clan crutch shitter posters are funny and all but it's pretty sad that when people like that post on the forums, PGI actually listens

>>183408598
Not him, but you're doing the same shit in reverse, implying that just because they aren't unplayable means they didn't get nerfed. The original statement this whole chain started from was that the dude's clan 'mechs were all nerfed in some way, and that statement is pretty much objectively true. Almost every clan laser got nerfed, engine desync is also a nerf, and gauss+PPC got nerfed. Does it make his 'mechs useless? No, but it's still a nerf, it's still worse than before, and the guy can still be sad about that without you jumping on him and smugposting about how he's a baby and needs to be grateful that they're even still playable at all.

and before you imply I'm a butthurt clan main too, I'm an IS main in FW and hardly ever play clan shit even in quick play

>>183409663
But he is a baby, Clans went from "blatantly dominant and all powerful better in every single single category" to remotely balanced in some ways. If you complain about that, you are a fucking baby.

>>183392224

Get stealth. Equip NARC. Pod fuckers from your Rayban.

Enjoy results. Stealth armor treats you as being in a hostile ECM field, which is why notarget and piggy can't write infotext for all the money in the Mechpack fund.

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>there are people IN THIS THREAD who will defend SPL and CSPL changes

>>183410507
I do because SPL spamming lights were the second most annoying thing in the game. Fuck them. They were completely gutted though I give you that.

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>wen u defet da emps
how will MRBC Kongers ever recover

>>183409837
>blatantly dominant and all powerful better in every single single category
So you never played clans? I'm a merc and let me tell you, IS already had the upper hand before. People just refused to use the tools PGI gave them. LPLs, AC5s and even ERLLs on the correct mechs were so fucking powerful it wasn't even funny. For some reason IS tards still brought LRMs, MLs and brawlers with gorilla arms only to whine how OP the clans were with their ECM and "range advantage". The player base is the only reason why IS lost Tuk 2 and 3.

>>183411396
>faction play
literally nobody cares

>>183411178
But where are da emps?

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>>183409663
There's a pretty big difference between 'things got nerfed' and 'Clan mechs are literally unplayable time to commit sudoku'. Wild exaggerations based on sob stories and fear contribute nothing of value, and if they're fed enough of it, piggy gets convinced something is actually wrong and then they fuck things up even further. If he wants to be assblasted about his favorite mech getting a nerf, that's fine, but call it what it is instead of passing the buck.

I've got 4:1 Clan:IS mechs. Are my mechs worse now after the nerf? Statistically and operationally, yes. Does it hamper my ability to perform in the field? If it does, I don't particularly notice it. If anything, team composition in QP is a considerably greater factor in performance than my mech having a slightly higher heat build up on its lasers. Because while that slightly higher heat sucks, losing half your team within 1min because they like facetanking LRMs or 'going Rambo' only to get picked off by Light wolfpacks are much bigger problems in my book.

>>183411851
>don't buff clams
ok

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This fucking guy.
Notice how he has the lurms on stagger fire to make them easier to shoot down too.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=13&l=df60f235ef95ce932eb32478e32439c86a0fc2e3

A-am I meta yet

>>183411396
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the majority of this game's community couldn't find their way out of a damp paper bag.

>>183412370
says the dead guy :^)

>>183412606
I pulled twice my weight doing 600 damage.

>>183412796
nice airstrikes :^)

>>183411851
Almost every clan weapon has gradually become dogshit in a long line of never-ending nerfs. They finally got the last stragglers in this patch and now everything is trash. All the mechs that felt pleasant to play become dogshit in the engine "desync" (read: welfare nega-quirkening) and the further nerfs after it.

The nutech for clans is complete and utter shit, because piggy specifically made it like that directly against lore/tt mechanics. And as a final slap in the face they folded to shitteroid anger about HPPC but didn't position change the clan PPC to real values too, while increasing the heat anyway.

>IS stomping clams in FP atm

*this is the end starts playing*

>Clan Medium Pulse Lasers changed from 7.5 damage to 7 damage

for what purpose

>>183413109
No.
>muh HPPC boogeyman
Weighs 4 tons more (66% more) and takes twice as many crit slots. Then you need a lot of heatsinks in order to support it, and IS heatsinks take 50% more crit space so you cant fit anywhere near as many Clans do. You can just about run two HPPCs in a heavy while Clan mediums run two CERPPCs without breaking a sweat.

kys my man

>>183409837
>if you don't like getting nerfed you're a baby
Fuck entirely off, this is a shit argument and you know it. Clan's advantage was at range, they were not literally better in every category, now you're the one using hyperbole. If you seriously think the nutech didn't give some direct advantages to IS, I really don't know what to tell you. People don't enjoy their shit being less effective, this is reality, this is normal. I'd rather they had just properly balanced the game to begin with instead of having to do nerfs this far down the line, but nobody here gets to actually get what we want, because PGI. You wanna call people babies over this shit, but you really need to look in the mirror and be mature enough to not be this fucking asspained over the ways the game has been imbalanced in the past that you'd rather see clans be useless than actually balanced with IS.

>>183411851
The original poster wasn't exaggerating though, that's my entire point; all he said was his shit was nerfed, which is true. Yeah, we agree, the clan 'mechs got nerfed but they're still playable. We also agree that implying they're unplayable is stupid, so I don't even really know what more to say since it just seems like you meant to give this (You) to someone else.

>>183413687
You forgot spoopy heat exists. Piggy and dog shitteroids think 30 pinpoint vs 20 pinpoint is fine because "but muh splash damage"

And fucking up a weapon's intended function for """""balance""""" instead of balancing weapons accounting their real stats is aids as you can see from ass to mouth missiles and the whole energy draw ppc splash damage debacle. Fucking retarded.

IT'S NOT FAIR BROS

BUFF CLAMS NOW