/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

first for riftborn bullying

also fuck off wiz

second for cravers of peace

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Wiz is a faggot

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>>183285450
>horatio that big

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>>183284982
Please do not bully the Riftborn.

>>183285450
>dust is tiny
DUDE

>>183284982
>>183285450
*respectfully disagrees*

>>183285450
But I don't want to play Horatio!

>>183287496
It's too late you are already a Horatio like the rest of us.

>>183285450
>defensive population sounds click
>better spaceship civ species
>long fun years
>endless sophons
>tfw optimal weapon

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>>183286024
*bullies cultistly*

>>183286125
SUFFERING

>>183292328
LMAO

>>183285450
>engage enemy ass

>>183286024
*puts dna on your table*

>>183286024
*shits in your timelocker*

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>>183284825
ok 4x, my fleet has finally equalled the AE fleet.
the AE has stopped building ships at around 908k.
his fleet supply must be 1000 over budget.
his economy must be at the breaking point.
mine is too.
simply moving this fleet out of dry dock puts me at -500EC, -500min.
i will have to play this card carefully.
the empire whos economy breaks first, will lose this battle.
i expect the battle alone to take 2 years.
i have to move the fleet to the front in segmets to avoid upkeep costs outside of drydock.
my plan, is to bait out his fleet with a small torpedo boat force.
his economy will be ruined while he chases the corvettes
at that point i will move out of drydock.
and strike with the full might of my fleet.

i am going to win.
god willing.

>>183295676
Just suck your sectors if you get closed to running out, ezpz.

>>183296027
*sector

>>183296027
i recruited an amdmiral for the sole purpose of reducing supply while moving the fleets across the map. this will be the most epic battle of all time

>>183295676
Look on the bright side. After the first major confrontation your fleet will be so tattered you'll probably be able to afford the upkeep while you slowly occupy systems for warscore. I'd recommend hitting all their spaceports before you get settled into that though, those motherfuckers churn out new ships scary fast.

>>183296238
record it
if it indeed is, upload it

>>183295676
>>183296238
I sure hope you've optimized your ships to counter them and have plenty of repeatable techs up because with only an equivalent fleet you will get raped.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-78-robomodding-robot-changes.1036193/

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>>183297037
yes.
the fleet is almost 100% battleships.
with a few ships from annexed empires, upgraded and thrown in.
most repeatable techs are at lvl 12.
heres the BB build

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>>183297779
Fucking neat.

>>183298535
>fucking
Stop being so misogynist

>>183295676
>>183298205
ok, right away we have a disaster in the plans.
somehow a bug is preventing me from equipping my battle admiral onto my doom stack.
the fleet portrait shows him commanding it.
the fleet power does not.
the leader roster shows him not either.

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>tfw easily win in ES2 in endless and get my shit pushed in in hard EL
Jesus fuck I'm trying vaulters but I can't colonize fast enough and get surrounded in no fucking time I can't seem to breathe. It's now two games in a row where my shitty crossbowmen get powerlessly raped by ennemies. I didn't remember vanilla being so hard

>>183297779
We'll see next dev diary if this update will be as good as it claims it will be.

>>183295676
>AE
>breaking point

lol.

>>183299056
Play cultists and get a necrophages hero with Slavery as a governor.
You will be pleasantly surprised.

>>183299960
I don't want to play cultists yet because I played only them and BLs back in the days. I wanna try the other races too but holy shit this game is hard

>>183299056
That's because Endless difficulty in ES2 is not really hard. AI doesn't even try to prevent you from winning

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FUCK
I AM LOSING 500EC, and 500min A MONTH WITH THIS FLEET OUT OF DOCK, AND A FUCKING BUG IS PREVENTING ME FROM REPLACING MY LOGISTICS COMMANDER WITH MY BATTLE COMMADER. WTF PARADOX YOU FUCKING FUCKERS.

anyone know how to fix this shit?

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>>183300162
Which settings should I play EL with ? Should I just give in and play in normal ?

>>183300567
Depends. Most of the time I start on normal in my first game, then I make I make it harder (one or two levels at a time, depending on how easy it was) each time I win a game

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>>183300845

>>183300845
wrong thread dude.

>>183300965
That's what I did in ES2, but given I had prior experience with EL, I'd thought I'd good. Guess I was wrong

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>>183300845
Congratulations I guess.

>>183299056
AI in 4x games is always absolutely braindead at release while EL is at that stage where its been improved and buffed in the right areas enough to provide an actual challenge.

>>183301291

>>183301547
>mfw trying EL on deity
>even on marathon it took a few turns for the AI to get to the next era
It's an abstract kind of feel.

>>183302149
Fucking stupid captcha.
EL got an AI update at some point, so if you were playing a long time ago, you get caught off-guard.

>>183300397
Have enough stockpiled so that it doesn't matter.

Civ5
Can someone explain Ideologies and public opinion to me? I got hit by unhappiness so hard

>>183302958
You're getting tourism'd hard by someone with a different ideology, shouldn't have neglected culture.

>>183302331
Ah ok that explains it, thanks

>>183303421
>getting tourism'd hard

Fucking tourists! How do I solve the problem then?

>>183303736
Improve your culture output, it defends against tourism.

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>>183295676
HE IS COMBAT LOCKED WITH ONE OF MY ALLIES. OPPURTUNITY IS HERE. I WILL WARP IN BEHIND HIM AND FUCK HIM IN THE ASS

>>183303917
What about unhappiness due to number of population?
I have 3 cities with 22, 2o ad 15 citizens. I build all happiness buildings but global happiness is still too low.

>>183300965
>switch to normal and start a new game
>nothing has happened for the first 60 turns and I'm about to get my 5th region without seeing anyone else but friendly drakkens
This is a joke

>>183305927
Try trading for luxury resources if you can.

Thinking of going fanatic pacifist, xenophobe for agrarian idyll and inward perfection.

I've never really played that far before, but what happens once you switch the main ethos? You would lose civics associated to it, right? So the moment I stop being xenophobe I would lose out on inward perfection and upon losing peaceful I would no longer have the agrarian idyll.

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>>183305247
he managed to turn around before i warped in. the range is too close for my liking. but i got a partial flank

START THE BATTLE

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>>183306630
hes not firing back very much, hopefully the flank makes up for the close range

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>>183306849
oh fuck yes, his right flank is gonna be shit kicked.
thats a fuckton of fighter tho. jesus.

>>183307145
I hope you have flaks and fighters

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>>183307145
hes already down 50k. the concentrated fire on that one flank is raping him. the titans have wheeled. and begun to fire. and the fighters are closing in.
>>183307268
yah each BB has a flak

>>183307550
The battle's not decided until the strike craft get in range of your fleet.

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>>183307550
down another 30k. hes being devastated. half his fleet cant even fight. im down 20k tho.

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>>183307912
the strike craft are being dominated by the massed flak... so far. the main mass hasnt gotten into range, but they are dying faster than they can move forward.

>>183308258

your're rekt lmao

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Is there a way to get all of the non-white characters out of Stellaris?

I'm trying to make my Norse spacefaring empire and it's killing my immersion to see all of these black scientists

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>>183308258
he is now is plasma range. torpedo corvettes have begun to fire, but are dropping faster than a prom queen's panties. my destroyers are being ruined as well.

hes dropped 80k, ive dropped 15k

>>183308641
There is a mod for that, which I consider obligatory. It had some controversy around it too.

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>>183308997
hes dropped another 50k ive dropped 10k
my cruisers and destroyers and are dying. but thats it. his flank continues to get eaten alive, and the fighters have not made any progress. the flak wall is too strong.

between the useless fighters, and the flank, it appears that around 60% of his fleet cant fight at all.

>>183309393
what's the name of it?

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>>183309758
another volley from the titans insta gibbed a BB or 2. but i killed 1 of them and he dropped another 50k. my cruisers and destroyers continue to be the only ships suffering real damage

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>>183310242
about 75% of the fighters are dead. but are now about to make their attacks.
i expect him to warp out at any moment.

>>183309882
Search "Phenotype" on the workshop and you'll find it.

Best Ship Classes mod to use?

I'm using the Naked Corvette fix mod, so I can't use any weapons/ship utilities mods.

Ships Reworked seems good but it's incompatible with damn near eveything.
Don't even suggest NSC.

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>>183310492
his destroyers are within CIS range. stormfire cannons are firing on my BBs, but are doing nothing against 90% armor. hes down another 100k. hes starting to completely collapse

>>183310682
I use SCX personally.

Just be aware that for some reason a lot of modders don't like to provide compatibility for it for... reasons.

>>183310945
>reasons.
Reasons who?

>>183311017
I honestly don't know, mostly it seems to be laziness. Which is a shame, because it is one of the ship class extension mods which makes the least changes to the game. (In terms of OP tech etc)

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>>183310492
the fighters are all dead.
flaks will be firing on his destroyers now.
almsot all his BBs are dead.
mostly destroyers left.
he doesnt even have plasma on his destroyers for somereason.

i expect him to emergency warp at any second

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>>183311334
looks like hes gonna fight to annihilation.
i woulda warped out as soon as i saw the flank.
anyone know what those white lasers that he has are?
lvl 2 mining lasers?

>>183311334
Did you use single battleship design?

>>183306630
>>183306849
>>183307145
We went over this several months ago. Flanking doesn't matter in space.

>>183312773
But it matters in stellaris.
Flanking means all your fleet can shoot at the part of the enemy fleet, without suffering more damage

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the battle is over. ill get some detailed stats arranged in a image and post them. he got rocked.

>>183312773
>We went over this several months ago. Flanking doesn't matter in space.
when you are dealing with formations that are dozens of AU long, like this battle, flanking is fucking insanely important. you just saw the proof of it.
>>183312407
>Did you use single battleship design?
yes its up here >>183298205

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>playing in a huge galaxy with the empire numbers of a small galaxy because in despise crowded starts
>because of thisome and my place on the outer arm of a galaxy, it's been about 25 years and still no first contact yet

>ALERT, THE IREKA BATTLE CLANS HAVE FALLEN, let's see how this effects the political landscape
>wot
>ALERT, THE ORTANIAN CONFEDERACY HAS FALLEN, let's see how this effects the political landscape
>ALERT, THE JAGGORTOR THOCRACY HAS FALLEN, let's see how this effects the political landscape
>ALERT, THE GLORTHIAN SCIENCE DIRECTORY HAS FALLEN, let's see how this effects the political landscape
>ALERT, THE IRSIAN COMMONWEALTH HAS FALLEN, let's see how this effects the political landscape

Oh god I just know one of the advanced civs ended up as a fanatic purifiers and is currently death stacking the rest of the galaxy.

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y tho

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>>183283769
>It escalates into another big argument when he plopped down outposts in response to my borders pushing in on him due to colonisation
>We eventually come to an agreement over who owns what
>I have this
>I had this before you put that there
>I needed the stuff in this system
>We now have about 18 frontier outposts between us along our border

The great diplomatic talks of the 2300s

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>>183305247
>>183306630
>>183306849
>>183307145
>>183307550
>>183307912
>>183308258
>>183308997
>>183309758
>>183310242
>>183310850
>>183311334
>>183311797
>>183313360
here are the final battle stats.

the giga cannons did most of the work as expected. in a fight liek that, the range is just so OP. they are prolly my favorite weapon in the game.

kinetic arty kinda under performed, imo considering how many hard points were dedicated to it. i guess the 20% AP really hurts them bad. but.... they have amazing range.

one thing that is suprising is how well the 1 medium plasma cannon per BB did. a damn fine showing despite how few of them were fielded.

the corvettes were shit. the destroyers were shit. the cruisers were shit. wont make them anymore.

the flak utterly dominated the fighters. my god, did they not do a single point of damage? 2000 fighters did literally nothing because of 1 flak per BB.

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>>183314840
All of the skills were chosen by the community, and they chose poorly.

>>183316869
>kinetic arty kinda under performed
Nigga, it I am reading this correctly it did so much damage that it caused an overflow

>>183316859
>Border friction: -1000

>>183317496
>>kinetic arty kinda under performed
>Nigga, it I am reading this correctly it did so much damage that it caused an overflow
you are correct, i wasnt thinking correctly. kinetic arty did the most damage.

>>183317034
>and they chose poorly
That's putting it mildly.

>>183317034
>>183317815
Do I even want to know what the other skills are?

>>183318045
http://endlesslegend.gamepedia.com/Valete_Sapiri_Kugua

>>183318045
>>183318201
Also worth noting: The way the tree layout is makes it so trying to go and grab the top-tier common skill (winter immunity) is much harder to do if you start with the faction tree.

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>>183316869
last edit including the warscore cost of the battle and the BB build, if anyone cares.

Ardent Mages in space when?

>>183321326
Shortly after the Morgawr escape from prison planet to wreck their revenge on jailors being made canon.

1.8 when

>>183310682
I use Ship Classes Extended. It basically just adds above Battleship-tier ships.

>>183323538
Never ever

So apparently you aren't supposed to colonize every single planet in ES2 because of a 'penalty'. But how do you decide which planets to colonize? If I colonize a system, should I get every planet in that system?

>get civ5 in the steam summer sale
>finally get round to playing it for an hour or so tonight
>wtf no unit stacking???
>can't immerse myself in a simulated world where a scout unit takes up the same physical space as a city
>install the requisite mods
>unit stack mods require dlc
>dlc is £40
FUCK THIS

I'm going back to Civ 4 (w/ Realism Invictus) unless there is a free fix for this outrageous bullshit. I mean, they really threw the baby out with the bathwater. Want to fix the stack of doom mechanic? Make units take up a reasonable proportion of a tile. Tiles have to be considered at least 100sq miles, even on a huge map, right? I can't fit two scouts in one tile?

Ready to drop this whole fucking franchise over this.

>>183323538
I don't want my masterpiece to be used by evil misogynists so I locked everyone from Paradox in a room and set it on fire and then deleted Stellaris forever.

>>183324492
All that's missing is snakeposting and this is /kspg/ 2.0

>>183324457
You should've bought CIV 5 with all the dlc included during the sale. It was like $12 with the base game included. You gimped yourself for not doing that.

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>>183324457
>vanilla CiV
I'm so sorry anon

>>183325136
Fuck me for thinking the vanilla game would be playable, right? "Rating: Overwhelmingly Positive (68k reviews)." Funny thing is, I thought I DID buy it with the dlc, I nearly always do. Now I've got what appears to be a Civ game for 5yr old children in my library.

>>183325762
Well, considering grabbing it when you can.

The expansion made V go from a massive piece of shit into the bane of my backlog.

>>183306212
>So the moment I stop being xenophobe I would lose out on inward perfection and upon losing peaceful I would no longer have the agrarian idyll.
Yes
They become inactive and you have to reform the government in order to get working civics again

>>183325869
Which one? All of them? Brave New World and Gods & Kings are in my wishlist now, but it'll be spending a LOT of money before any of it goes on DLC for that glorified game of checkers.

>>183326471
Those two are essential. The rest is just more civs and whatnot.

>>183326471
You should just buy the bundle when it's on sale.

>>183326947
I don't feel like throwing good money after bad, I'll just cut my losses and stick with a heavily modded Civ 4. Graphics are basic but it just feels bigger and more detailed, more real. If they can fuck up something as basic as unit stacking, then I'm not investing endless more time and money to fix their game. Sad to say, but from what I've seen I think they peaked with 4.

>>183327937
Your loss. I have 1400+ hours all into DLC/modded Civ5.

>>183306212
I just played most of a game with those two civics and I can confirm that the unity gain for them is obscene

>Playing a Democratic Federation Building Space Elves
>Been sending money to the Artisan Conclave all game
>They suddenly end the festival I've paid for and stole a bunch of resources
>Try to contact them and just get a message that says they aren't responding to hails anymore
>A few years of silence go by
>They suddenly ask me to renew my subscription to their patreon

These sleazy motherfuckers...is that Unity bonus worth the pride of a Space Elf?

>xenophobe pacifist materialist with ridiculous unity gain
>game goes to shit, boxed in by four empires with defensive pacts that all hate me
>unbidden spawn right next to me but I'm too weak to fight them
>empires will attack if I fight the unbidden

>next game, militarist tree people
>spawn next to fanatic purifiers, oh boy
>manage to beat him despite his tech being better than mine thanks to thrifty letting me have a massive fleet
>I am now occupying one whole quarter of the galaxy before reaching battleships

This will be an interesting game.

Are hangar bays worth it on battleships or cruisers?

I'm still hopeless at knowing what makes a good ship design and fleet composition.

>>183328361
Did you play Civ 4? It's a hell of a game with Realism Invictus installed. Lots of possibilities and detail, and carefully balanced gameplay. I actually quite liked 5 at first glance, it just fell down on the gameplay almost immediately, and asked for forty quid's worth of dlc to fix it. There wasn't even the Conquest victory condition during setup. Why take perfectly good options out of a game like that? Like the stacking thing, it doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't make sense to play a game that I'm just modding and paying money to turn into it's predecessor.

>>183329369
The hard counter for fighters is the same as the hard counter for missiles, and the AI spams PD on everything despite missiles not even being that good.

So, no, just like in every other space 4X game, hangar bays are not good for the same reason.

>>183300397
1) Find the specific ship your unwanted commander is commanding
2) Split it out of the fleet.
3) Find the specific ship your desired commander is commanding.
4) Merge it i to the fleet

>>183328917
I blew up their enclave. Fuck that.

Pirate Enclaves when

If I'm Xenophobic and Repugnant, should I liberate and vassalize, later integrate and purge, or should I straight up vassalize, integrate, and purge?
I'm afraid the negative modifiers from my traits and ethics will cause liberated governments to decline vassalization.

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Do you guys know if there are any 34/43/62/etc. civ DLL mods for versions of YNAEMP after v22?
I updated YNAEMP because the Blackfoot required it for their TSL, but now I can't add more than 22 civs. Are there new mods to get or do I need to go back to v22?

>>183333706
Try it once to see how it goes.

Remember that 2/3 of the planets are places where your dudes can't live anyway, so purging doesn't even help you in the long run.

>>183333706
>>183334573
I either (vassalize->integrate) or straight cede planet their entire empire, then neuter-purge while I terraform their planets to my habitability. Once the planets are terraformed, I start moving my colonists in.

>>183333706
>>183335707
> purging
> ever
Why do people do this?
A shit angry xeno pop is like 9/10ths as good as a happy founder species pop, it's available to start toiling for you right now, and it doesn't cause all the galaxy to hate you forever.
Are y'all just 40k RPing or am I missing some critical 1337 gameplay consideration somewhere?

>>183338156
I picked up stellaris specifically to kill xenos.

>>183338363
I have no objection to people RP memeing to kill xenos.
I was just wondering if there was ever any even remotely justifyable strategic advantage.

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>>183338156
>A shit angry xeno pop is like 9/10ths as good as a happy founder species pop,
happies work at 120%
angries work at 80%
so happy founders are 50% better than angries.
and dont require troops to control.
and their traits are probably better too because good players pick industrious and intelligent. and might be cyborgs too.

so my pops are industrious intelligent natural engineers. my research based build effectively gives them 150% to engineering reasearch when happy.
almost double what some bumblefuck randumb pop would be.

i agree with you tho, purging seems... inefficient

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>>183338708
i think it is a good idea in a situatuion where its a species with really shitty traits.... like.... weak rapid breeders or something.

>>183339398
>so happy founders are 50% better than angries.
>and dont require troops to control.
>and their traits are probably better too because good players pick industrious and intelligent. and might be cyborgs too.

This looks right in theory but is very wrong in practice.

For a start, traits are worthless.
> "B-but 15% minerals!"
No. If a planet was literally all mines, then yes, 15% minerals. But planets - especially ones you capture from the AI - aren't all mines, they're a hodgepodge of mines, energy, research, and food, which will balance out into 25% mines. 15% industrious only activated on 25% of tiles nets you 4.25% - i.e. basically nothing.

> "B-but muh 50% happiness!"
No. Faction shittery means your founder species pops won't be at 100% happy, 20% production bonus. They'll be some grotesque distribution function running the gamut from like native 25% to maybe 80% if you're hard shilling the government faction demands. The highest I have ever seen a single faction's pop support get to is 40% spiritualist during a minmax tall game (and if you're tall you are by definition not purging and resettling, but whatever). This leaves 60% of your pops either "meh" or "very pissed off materialists", immediatly collapsing your happiness "gain" from 50% to 20%, and this with an unrealistic application of best-case tall play to generic wide play, and without considering the production lost during purge time and regrowth, and without considering the fact that everyone will DoW you due to genocide diplo.

> "B-but I'll improve living standards to up the happiness bonus!"
The cost in consumer goods always exceeds the gain in production bonus.

TL;DR: Wiz doesn't know how to balance, purge is impractical fluff for meme plays

>>183339398
based sherms

>>183338708
If they have undesirable traits or ethics.

>>183343167
A purged pop leaving behind an empty space that takes decades for new growth to fill is substantially worse than 'undesirable traits or ethics'

>>183338156
I only purge if they did nothing but piss me off and aren't worth integrating/enslaving.

In the pre-Utopia days I'd sometimes get lazy after a war and just purge every xeno on a planet instead of wasting my time and influence relocating them. I fucking hate the fucking son of a bitch who decided that purging meant total genocide and not just culling the population.

>>183343496
I'll take that over a useless pop that only generates unrest and produces shit all because they're permanently unhappy. At least if I purge them then I can eventually fill their spot with an actual productive pop.

>>183343496
Decades? How are you playing?

>>183343496
>empty space that takes decades for new growth to fill
Neuter. They die off slower than they're replaced by non-neutered populations.

>>183328534
Yeah, my leader started with reformer and space miner. It's 2234 and I have already unlocked two ascendances while having 7 planets, half of my capacity. My main problem is getting influence. The expansion policy certainly helped a lot in reducing the influence cost for outposts and colonizing.

I could just go and humiliate my rivals, but I don't think most of my populace would take too kindly too that.

Stations provide fleet power in stellaris, right? How do I see my empire's total fleet power?

>>183344612
>>183345049

Purging them off is the fast part. It's growing their replacements that's the killer.
Err... figuratively.

>>183346349
It does not take decades to grow pops unless you're somehow starving your empire, but I didn't think anyone was retarded enough to not do proper food balance.

>>183345726
Stations provide FIREpower but they do not contribute to naval capacity.
No, there is no way of seeing a sum imperial firepower.

Stellaris desperately needs Civ IV style graphs of stats change over time, because all autists would be interested in that and all Stellaris players have autism.

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>>183346349
Hence why I use neuter, by putting a non-neutered pop on each planet I replace the populations gradually so nobody complains. The neutered population is given welfare so they have a -5 happiness mallus which is nothing, and the replacement population is typically very happy because they're either xenophobic or militant so they're happy from all the wars of conquest and domination. There's no diplomatic fallout from neutering a population to death either.

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Alright, trying out Sophons on Serious again. While I know the Use and Lose Ships are a great bonus, are the science and pacifist trees better in the long run?

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>>183346990
I'd love it if there was some sort of playback feature for end of war reports, I'd like to see how the war was waged. Also would like to know what started the war, what the goals were.

>>183346895
You are just flat out wrong. Filling up a big planet takes a lot of time.
If you go overboard with the food surplus to speed growth you cripple your energy and mineral economy 'cos everyone's working farms not mines.

>>183346990
>>183347276
Playback / stats graphs will never be put into Stellaris because you could correlate it to when you created sectors and objectively prove to everyone that Wiz's AI doesn't do what he says it does.

>>183347305
I'm genuinely interested what exactly is your food surplus? Mine always balloons when I annex planets and sector them. Slow pop growth has never been a factor in any of my games save my first ones.

Did they remove stone age primitives?

Is stellaris fun yet?

>>183348118
Only through RP

Is civ6 fun If I played the hell out of ciV already?

>>183348746
No.

>>183348857
Well that's disappointing. Im trying not to burn myself out on endless space 2 till more dlc gets released

>>183347102
Science for more science to get other techs.

>>183347872
Yes.

At least they removed the tile-blocker version that gave +3 bio science if you built a lab next to them.

Now stone age primitives own the planet as much as bronze age or early space age.

>>183350554
Any reason given?

>>183350653
Not that I know of.

>>183350653
The reason 'given' was that "it didn't make any sense for stone age pops to be a completly different mechanic to other ages".
The ACTUAL reason was that sector AI has never been able to understand adjacency bonuses and people were starting to notice and complain, so instead of fixing the problem Wiz just cut out the mechanic so you his retarded machine child doesn't look bad.
You know this is the real reason because **coincidentally** adjacency-bonus city ruin and rad-wasteland tiles got taken off tomb worlds at the same time.

Are strategic resources cumulative?

>>183351680
Terraforming liquids are, Zro is if you're Psy ascension.
Other than that, no.
Although the AI does tend to offer you good deals for your excess, so controlling several is not totally without merit.

>>183352431
We will buy
1 terraforming liquids
For
15 energy credits

>>183352570
I was offered 17000 energy + 8000 minerals for neutronium ore once.
Granted, it is the best resource and it was lategame, but still, the AI isn't fanatically opposed to offering good deals

When you terraform an inhabited planet and they become unhappy, will they become happy again once it's done?

>>183353563
Yes.
If you terraform it to the right biome they will obviously become MORE happy

>>183353825
I was referring to this:
>It is possible to terraform inhabited planets if you have the technology Tech Ecological Adaptation. Doing so gives a -20% happiness penalty to the planet.

>>183354084
It was written by a retard.

>>183310682
What's wrong with NSC? I was considering using it next time.

>>183354526
Someone post the meme picture.

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>>183342280
>The highest I have ever seen a single faction's pop support get to is 40%
this is my current game. all the factions with high happiness are native factions.
all the factions with low happiness are xeno factions.

most of my population is running at 100% happiness, because of utopian living standards and unity talents. despite having conquereed dumbfuck xenos, with different ethics. AND i havent relaly been trying too hard to satisfy the factions. ive kinda just let them go, cuz im 8 planets from winning and just crushed the xenophobe AE

>>183354248
As in it's completely wrong or poor wording?

>>183355363
> modded to high heaven
Oh yeah I do sure wonder how you could be having a different experience to me, really boggles the ol' noggin

>>183355601
Poor wording. The malus lasts only for the duration of the terraforming process.

>>183356841
What's worse, Wiz wording or Amplitude wording?

>>183357269
Does this Wiz character actually do anything constructive at Paradox or is he like a (reverse)PR guy?

>>183356343
>> modded to high heaven
>Oh yeah I do sure wonder how you could be having a different experience to me, really boggles the ol' noggin
you realize that portrait mods do not effect gameplay right?
accept that you are a nigger
right now
accept it
nigger

>>183357269
are we counting just being completely wrong as wording?

>>183357489
Game Director

I keep getting dicked in stellaris with my fleets. I've started building around more corvettes, but almost every other empire seems to start pumping out more fleet power & technology than I can. Is there a secret to fleet building / what to research first?

>http://stellarismods.com/
is it a legit site getting mods from? no viruses or some shit?

>>183361191
nvm im blind just read it in the pastebin

>>183357489
Umm sweetie, criticizing male feminist allies is misogynist
*Locks thread*

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ayy fucking lmao

>>183361191
No viruses, but you will become a part of russian botnet curated by KGB.

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>>183362567
kek

>>183362567
I need that shit, where is it.

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>No qt Roving Jew gf
Will somebody please put me out of my misery

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I only got into Civ IV again recently, does anyone remember if computer players have any personality to them beyond word choice? In comparison to III and V.
you can't F12 a steam screenshot for Civ IV unless you're in the process of ordering a unit to move or it'll just show civilopedia page apparently

>>183362567
Horatio in Dungeon of the Endless WHEN

>>183363204
they only released the cover

>Egypt hog all wonders because lol I build them faster

Fuck them.

>>183364478
Then play as Cleowaifu

>>183364478
WE

>>183363419
what a fantastic picture, so detailed.

>>183364478
Sounds like a good reason to invade them change the name of their cities and 'appropriate' their culture.

so from what I understand of the Ascension paths in Stellaris its basically like this
>psyonic is all flavor and style but little actual content outside of the pages of flavor text
>Biology is no style or impactful content, but has maximum asshole potential
>robot is maximum game changing potential but has but no flavor or style
>going builder has a cool factor about it but little to no else going for it

wtf i my 16k fleet was in battle vs a 20k and i was winning due to a nearby fortress but then i randomly retreated?? what happened? did i accidentally press a hotkey or what?

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>>183365765
Psionics have access to the best shields, FTL method and (for everything except full artillery battleships) the best combat computers via the Shroud.
They also have access to Psionic armies which are only trumped by gene warrior armies.

While it's RNG based the also have access to Shroud Avatars which are the strongest land unit and ship available in the game depending on which one you get. (You can have several)

Psionics also gain access to covenants.
The Eater of Worlds provides a bonus to fire rate and army damage on par with fanatical purifiers.
The Whispers in the Void adds a good boost to research. Somewhere in the 15%-20% range.
The Composer of Strands essentially gives your species the robust trait
The Instrument of Desire gives 25% boosts to energy and mineral production.
We don't talk about The End of The Cycle

There's also generic boons you can get.

Yeah, you might have to deal with some RNG but Psionics is definitely the most powerful path.

>>183365334

WUZ

>>183366291
I think I am probably biased against Psyonic because the first time I tried it I got an extremely good start where I mannaged to snatch up a good quarter of the galaxy and had minerals and energy out the ass so I was super excited to see what it had to see
and then the RNG proceeded to Give me literally nothing for 250 years until the unbidden turned up right next to my capital at the same time that the Xenophobe Awakened empire decided to tear me a new asshole
then as if it was taunting me the fucking shroud gave me the end of the cycle option after all hope for the game was lost.

If I ever touch Spiritualists again I will either go down the genetic path or be savescumming the fuck out of it because fuck that RNG with a rake

>>183366794
Considering the huge buff heathens are getting in the next patch they should definitely make the RNG more merciful.

>>183366291
>Psionics have access to the best shields
according to the wiki the magic shield is equal in strength to shield you can get from doing the enigmatic fortress.
though I think you can only get one tech thing from that so that itself is just as much RNG related as the shroud

I think I am done with stellaris
I just finished an argument with a friend's friend who kept insisting that Ringworlds should be removed because they were ripping off Halo and refused to listen to me trying to tell him what it was actually a reference to.
I can't take levels of that stupidity, he also said that the contingency shit they are adding should not be added because it is ripping off the Reapers from Mass effect and that the Robot Fallen empire they were also adding was ripping off some other Halo thing and should not be added as well

>>183367297
I thought they took Enigmatic Shields off the list of things you can get from the fort entirely? It's still in the game files but it is now literally impossible to get unmodded.

>>183366291
They really, really, REALLY need to add an alert for when your telepaths have recovered.
Over the course of a game I bet I miss out on like 10 shroud visits because it doesn't tell me when I've recharged.

>>183368082
I dunno, wiki seems out of date though so maybe

>>183368065
There are very good reasons to take out ringworlds and the contingency, but the myopic genre illiteracy of a 12 year old are not amongst them.

>>183368065
Why are you letting a retard affect your enjoyment of a game?
As a matter of interest what is their response to you telling them Halo didn't invent Ringworlds?

>>183368181
It's planned apparently.
There's also a mod for it as far as I know.

>>183367297
Enigmatic Shields are equal spec but you need the Enigmatic Fortress to spawn in the first place AND you need to be to Empire to take it down and go through the events AND you need to cross your fingers and hope you get the shields.
Psionic Shields even with NotWarp bullshit RNG are far easier to get.

>>183368505
he said that Ringworld was also ripping of Halo
I swear to got he had to be trolling me because no one can be that stupid and ignore facts that much

How do you solve problem of lacking space to found city in Civ5? I want at least 3 city but sometimes there only enough space for only 2 around me.

>>183369256
Stop being an autist who only builds at 6-tile separation for a start

>>183370251
So build them closer? But what about resources? What if they are far away?

>>183370496
Well if you get boxed in and don't have space to expand, distant resources are kind of an academic problem, aren't they?

Endless Legend, even on the lowest speed seems too fast for me, fuck.

>>183366763
KANGZ

>>183371365
Endless C2C when?

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>Endless Legend
>Legend has an end

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>>183375520
>So does Endless

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/888372404329865216

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>city just outside wall

REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>183376897
>playing with the resothe size of a phone

>>183377664
>resothe
*resolution, kek dunno what happened there

Play Forgotten.

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Finally. Been tracking this wraith for a decade now, building up a fleet to kill it and waiting for it to enter an M class system. Time to kill this thing before it wanders into a Fallen Empire and they curb-stomp it.

>>183366291
THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN TH

>>183379864
They are the guys who need to buy their tech right?
How are they?

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>>183381923
it respawns

>Start game with 80 % landmass
>takes forever to load
Oh dear.

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>>183382084
Good.

Killing a leviathan makes my militant population really happy. Also this thing was remarkably easy to kill in the right type of star. Tried killing one in the wrong star colour once and my 25k fleet took 70% causalities.

>>183381960
I want to play Sunless Sea again but it's just so slooooooooooooow to get going.

New stellaris update when?
i want the crisis event strength slider, they are fucking overpowered at this point its not even fun anymore.

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Nobody in that fight evaded anything? My corvettes have 90% evasion and my destroyers 45%, so those wraith beams must have insane tracking to ignore 90% evasion. As for the red wraith fought in a red star, nice that it apparently reduces it's bullshit 100 evasion to 0 so even a kinnetic battery can hit it.

>>183382062
>steal shit from other factions all turn every turn
>pillaging keeps you loaded with dust
>units are all solid
They're great. Might even be a bit too OP if you abuse your spies.

>>183382741
It says it only had a 82% accuracy rate though

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>>183382975
Yeah but that's from the weapon missing because it's not 100% accurate, not because the other ship dodged a shot that would hit.

>>183383407
Maybe it's the characteristics of the weapon.
It might not hit but if it's gonna it will.

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>>183383572
Yeah, I'm guessing wraith beams have 100% tracking which eliminates enemy evasion and a 80-82% accuracy. Sort of a less accurate lightning weapon but great at swatting corvettes out of the sky.

8600 of the 14000 damage was done by kinetic artillery, fleet was 2 cruisers (gas giant salvage), 34 of these ka-1 destroyers, and 66 3x advanced railgun corvettes.

Probably not a good fight to judge future battles because the wraith was gimped by the red star.

>>183382741
As someone fairly new to stellaris, how'd you beat a leviathan with such a small fleet?

>>183384201
The wraith is a special case leviathan who gets massively nerfed if hes in a red star solar system.

>>183382557
Just wait for Sunless Skies.

>>183384414
>>183384201
Wraith gets a penalty if it's in the right system, it's evasion is set to 0 and -50 to armor.
Red Wraith = red dwarf systems (class M)
Yellow Wraith =yellow stars (class G)
Blue Wraith = blue stars (class A & B)

>>183384414
>>183384954
Interesting.

How do I check how many luxury resource I have in civ5?

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>>183365334
>>183366763
>>183372230
N SHIET

>>183386692
How many? mouse over your happiness at the top of the screen.

How many copies of each one? Try to trade one away. If you have 2, it's safe to trade 1. If it's RENEWING a trade, not starting a new trade (when the AI proposes you continue a deal), the game usually fails to update properly and shows you as not having the 1 you are renewing, so it's safe to renew, you won't lose any.

>>183369256

If you are really tight on land, you usually want to just go aggro early. Expand directly in someone's face, start pumping archers, and then composite rush them. It's far less viable in this iteration than in previous patches, but composite rushing does give you a ton of archer experience, which is kind of a win condition all on it's own. A ton of heavily upgraded crossbows can do a lot on the map.

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>>183346990
I was asking about firepower, I think. Doesn't FE often activate into AE once someone goes over 40k fleetpower?

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>>183368065
>I just finished an argument with a friend's friend who kept insisting that Ringworlds should be removed because they were ripping off Halo and refused to listen to me trying to tell him what it was actually a reference to
Please be a liar. I don't want to believe anyone with access to Google is that dense.

>>183390362
They activate when *a single fleet* goes above 40k, so you can cheese it by starting a second stack when you get to 39k.
Watch the AI closely on peaceful games and you'll see them do the same thing.

>>183382507
What are minspec for killing ether drake?

>>183390918
If anything in this day and age where you can just pull out your phone and pull out the exact article I'm surprised anon didn't do just that to prove him irrefutably wrong, seems like he fell hook line and sphincter for the retard's bait.

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What did Wiz mean by this?

>>183391365
Build a Ring World HERE?

>>183392127
Or I could build it in any of the systems that have no habitable planets or any resource.
>6 Tile Planet with no Bonus Resources
Thank you Wiz.

>>183391082
I've done it with 30k of 3 railgun corvettes and large-medium KA destroyers.

>>183391365
Um anon size shaming is misogynist.
Not that I'm surprised, you are a male on the Internet so of course I anticipated that you would have problematic attitudes.

>>183391365
I've not seen one below 10 since 1.4.
Kinda glad they're still in there somewhere desu.

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>>183394158
You can shame me all you want but I won't send colony ships to you or even bother terraforming.
This beauty on the other hand.

>>183390918
>>183368731
So what did they say when you obviously mentioned that ringworld came before Halo?

>>183394538
>size 29
Is that some mod? I've never even seen a planet that huge.

>>183394996
Max size without mods is 25
Also take note of the amount of core worlds he's able to have.

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>>183394996
No it's vanilla.
I've once seen a planet with over 25 tiles, but they only show 52 maximum, so I don't know if they actually are 29 or it's just a glitch.
Also this is the image I wanted.

>>183395140
Look at the year numbnuts, also it's core SYSTEMS.

>>183395140
Planets that become habitable througb anomalies can sometimes claim to be >25, but they're actually just 25.

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>>183395140
I really thought it was a bug on my first playthrough but then I realized those are core SYSTEMS not worlds, I never used 6 planets inside my core systems in that PT because of that.

>>183395276
You'll have to show some screenshots of planets over size 25 cause the wiki and the raws say size can't go higher than 25.

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>New game.
>Fanatic xenophobic materialists.
>Want to go down synthetic evolution path eventually (while not building actual robots/droids).
>Want to get hueg border range.
>Mod for more traditions because they are interesting.
>Xenophobe & the early border range tech = 50% border range.
>Supremacy = +20%
>Interstellar Dominion ascension = +25%
>There's a +10% border range in a really good perk tree from the mod. Grab that.
>4th Perk tree is "Purity" good RP for my Xeno-hating empire. Also has an extra +15%
>Have +105% border range now, will have 120% when my 4th perk tree is done.
>Just build naked corvettes because I don't have cruiser tech yet.
>Defeat several attacks.
>Minding my own business internal building.
>Southern jerk empire war decs me.
>tiredofthisshit.mp4
>set cleanse wargoals on 6 of their planets

Am I heading for a "Suddenly I'm The Bad Guy" situation?

In case anyone is curious, it's a 400 star galaxy, to show what the border range buff does I've circled my planets. All single planet systems which is curious. Have a few more I could colonise if I need it.

>>183396195
The planet has 25 tiles even though it says 29.
Read the discussion.
"Respectfully Disagrees"

Does colonizing Tomb Worlds anger any of the fallen empire types?

>>183397135
Spiritualists

ENTRAILS

I WILL HAVE ENTRAILS

>>183397253
I thought they just got pissed off when you colonized Gaia planets with the Holy World mod?

>>183398157
What pisses off Spiritualists is colonising Holy Worlds and Colonising Tomb Worlds.
They don't care about you colonising former Tomb Worlds that you've terraformed into something else.
They're going to be made friendlier in 1.8 apparently so if they like you they'll give you presents like the xenophilic and materialist FEs.

>>183398157
I like to terraform Holy worlds into Tomb worlds just to spite the Spiritualists before I inevitable conquer them and force them to become Robots and colonise the Holy World anyway

>>183398881
Kek. I didn't know you could terraform to Tomb World.

>>183398881
You can not terraform any planet into a tomb world.

>>183398928
You can't

>>183398996
>>183398928
You can with the power of Mods
Same with turning the Spiritualists into Robots after you go robot yourself and get the message from them being horrified at what you did

>>183397253
>>183398157
Colonizing tomb worlds doesn't piss them off anymore.

>>183398996
Can't you turn a planet into a tomb world via orbital bombardment somehow?

>>183399348
Nope

>>183398996
>>183399348
Tangentially related but I once had a primitive planet I was bombarding turn into a (unterraformable) toxic world before I could finish the job. I know primitives always have the chance to nuke themselves into oblivion but it seemed strange in this case since I don't think they were at the atomic age yet when I started. My only guess is they advanced all the way there then triggered the nuke themselves event, but it's pretty strange that can happen when an alien fleet is making target practice of your civilization.

Also it's bs that ex-primitive planets don't get the terraforming candidate flag.

So I thought Devouring Swarm was supposed to get society research from eating xeno's but I only seem to be getting food?

I getting fucking BULLIED in EL serious difficulty.

>>183401693
EL serious is hard

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Is there anyway to build an oil platform here if I don't have any coastal city?

>>183401880
Move a worker over it

So what's wrong with NSC? I'm planning to start a game later today and I was interested in trying it out if it's any good.

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I hate playing the Commonwealth of Man but having no casus belli for me to go to war. Everybody else is busy with their own wars while I slowly expand peacefully. And all that peace is causing me to have a pacifist infestation.

Tempted to go to war with the purple-spiderweb to the galactic center or the reds to the north east. Neither one likes me but they don't hate me either.

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>Russia adopt Order

Typical.

>>183403545
Slow peaceful expansion during the early game is the smart play, build up your infrastructure with the resources you'd otherwise waste and let the wars come to you to keep the diplomatic badboy down. Pacifist factions are literal non-issues because Wiz was a lazy fuck implementing them.

>>183401693
>tfw serious too easy

>>183403545
You're fanatic materialist. You should need a casus belli for peace, not for war. War is the natural state of affairs.

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This guy is the one who hates me the most. But he's just an xenophobe isolationist, closing his borders isn't something that's war worthy and he doesn't have anything I want.

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>>183403695
>play with 7 AIs
>I adopt Freedom
>4 AIs adopt Autocracy
>2 adopt Order
>they denounced me

I have no friend.

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>>183404009
You mean militarist but yeah, "Military Industrial Complex" being my militant faction lead by my empire leader just begs me for being a war monger.

These guys have terraforming liquids and gases, two things I desperately need along with the ruins of a research nexus in their territory. Guess that's my reason for war.

Just wish they were more of an antagonist.
And now I'm the bad guy?

>>183404692
Hope you're a cultural powerhouse anon

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>>183404692
Updated. Guess who also adopt Freedom? He's the weakest in the game though, but still feel good to have a friend.

>>183404692
>>183404976
Time to spread democracy

>>183404729
Calm down lad, by the time you NEED to mass terraform as well as have the spare resources (and especially the perk) to repair the research nexus you will have naturally expanded all the way there from fighting defensive wars.

>>183405082
DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298Cw3_qGwE

>>183401680
You're only getting food and hatred.
Prepare yourself for endless wars

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>>183405510
Everybody's having wars but me. Even the UN of Earth is involved in 2 wars right now. I set up the game for aggressive AI, but then I built as big a fleet as I could as soon as I could. Now everyone except some big empire on the other end of the galaxy is inferior.

Does EL AI even try to get the wonder /quest victories?

Anyone played Gothic armada here?
Is it worth 8 bucks?

>>183406412
>hatred.
>implying that matters for hive mind
Also the AI never fucking declares war on me.

>>183408202
it's not really good, due to small ass map, a lot of the available tactics that are useless because you have to micromanage every little bit, missions redundancy.
But i guess 8 bucks is alright if you like 40K

>>183408202
I played it back when it had its own general on /tg/, just seemed to evaporate after the Tau update.

Combat itself is really satisfying and in-depth. There's definitely multiple play styles for each faction. The arcadey meme skills like teleport have been removed or reworked as well. Multiplayer is hit-or-miss, mostly miss since there's no one but insta-gib Eldar deathbeamers and Tau rail gun snipers left playing regularly. Campaign is also very solid, so I think $8 is miles better than what I paid at launch.

>>183408813
It doesn't really, but than the federation bordering you declares war on you second after truce from previous one ends is no fun.
Most annoying thing is that out of 7 states in it,only 1 is equal to me in the means of fleet power. But then they combine all their shitty fleets in doomstack they outnumber me, so all I can do is wage defensive wars. The only thing that keeps me alive is stupidity of AI. They just put they doomstack on the orbit of mine planet and bombard it for whole duration of war while I conquer their systems.

How long do I have to wait to integrate a vassal empire in Stellaris? What happens if they rebel before that happens and I beat them again? Will the timer go back to 0? I'm afraid my xenophobic, repugnance, and rampant purging (RP) has led them to have a -1000 opinion of me.

>>183409084
Thanks.
>>183409402
Is multilayer still has limit of 900pts?
>solid campaign
I remember how butthurt I was, then game was just spamming orbital bombing locations under enemy ships, or the ship which you destroyed had it debris jumping in warp and making you lose.
Navy still sucks isn't it?

>>183410265
10 years, 5 if you have the domination "star lord" tradition. Yes, timer goes to 0. Keep your fleet power so they're inferior.

>>183405587
>Probability of mission hindrance: ZERO PERCENT!
I've always loved that part.

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Explain.

>>183413862
Quality paradox AI

>>183413862
wtf i love energy now

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>>183316859
>He had to disband all his outposts because he couldn't afford the influence

>>183366291
>They also have access to Psionic armies which are only trumped by gene warrior armies
In what world is the slave army not the best?
There's no restriction on how many troops you can use to invade a planet, and a slave army shits out the most damage with respect to both build cost and upkeep.
Further, an army composed of more dropships is more capable of hitting multiple targets (should resistance be less than expected), and a smaller proportion will be lost when attacked by ships.

Clone armies are okay too

>>183416315
You need to waste a slot and resources building a slave processing plant on each planet you want to build slave armies while psionic armies you can shit out anywhere your pops are.

>>183396223
>Am I heading for a "Suddenly I'm The Bad Guy" situation?
>In case anyone is curious, it's a 400 star galaxy, to show what the border range buff does I've circled my planets. All single planet systems which is curious. Have a few more I could colonise if I need it.

Yes. Moment I finished the war everyone went to around negative 1000.

Got war declared on me almost immediately.

So I cleansed another half-dozen planets.

And got another war declared on me.

I got battleships now so I'm thinking about trying a combination of loads of corvettes with some battleship support.

>>183417030
>slave processing facility
>wasting a slot
As I see it, the building is worth having on every planet, even if slave armies were removed entirely.
Even if you disagree with this, the wasted slot would only be a minor detriment, considering how few troop-producing planets you need.

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>tfw won scientific victory at turn 297 in EL
Holy shit for one moment I'd thought the jews would cuck me til the very end. The fuckers invaded half of the map in like 20 turns or something

>>183420553
Fine print is like that.

>>183420553
Scientific victory is for faggots. Dust victory is for jews. The only acceptable way to win is conquest.

>>183422652
What about the victory quest?

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I'm trying to throw together a kind of "template" empire for my friend who was mostly struggling with managing their resources and with advancing up the tech tree.
How is this do you reckon?

>>183426491
>industrious and f. materialist together
>when you could be building robots in first 5 years
kys retard