/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

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>>183250305
I'm screaming, guys.
Here, have this decade-old ytmnd
http://tailsbecomesaman.ytmnd.com/

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>>183250278

>>183250320
you are spot on. with both statements.

>>183249831
Fuck off.

Is there a more hated figure in the Sonic community today than Ken Penders?

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Thread theme, anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_EiJnVCacM

>>183250547
Chris-Chan?

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>>183250047
It does suck but everyone getting really physically upset for real and bombing Penders' twitter isn't going to help the situation, they'll just get more upset.

>>183250320
It looks OK but not great, that probably is disappointing but Mania does soften the blow a bit. If we were just getting Forces by itself I'd probably be miffed but we're getting two serviceable games in one year so that's good enough for me.

>>183250358
Sorry.

>>183250567
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVCAEzSQXgU

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>>183250305
the comics endend for me long ago so i know how you all must feel

i still miss him...

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Hey. Just in case you missed it last thread, I've made one more big update to the Dev Kit, in honor of the comic that may, or may not be dying officially (still holding on) I've ported in Mighty the Armadillo to the kit. Now, while this may seem like a simple Model swap, he comes with all of the necessary Sonic Generations animations, meaning that porting in new characters is now easier than it was before, assuming you're familiar with how Generations modding and model ripping works. Is it the easiest thing to do in the Dev Kit? No. It's still a pretty involved process, but I hope that I've eliminated some of the steps with this update.

At least you'll get a playable Mighty out of it at the very least.

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With this news, it feels like SatAM is finally, truly dead and gone. 10 year old me am cry.

>>183250579
It's harder to hate a dumb autist that does nothing but ruin his own life than a dumb autist that ruins everyone else's

>>183250579
Chris-Chan isn't really hated more mocked and laughed at. He's pretty much a bigger ass clown but by no means do we hate him.

One last morose statement before I turn in: a whole slew of famous people, some of whom you probably liked, died in 2016, but Ken Penders did not.

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>>183250680
good fucking riddance, scourge and everything adjacent to him were nothing but bad ideas given life long past their expiration date

>>183250579
But people at least love to hate him.

>>183250680
A bad idea/character isn't a good idea/character just because it's done "ironically."

>>183250607
To be fair, when Penders' pettiness caused this whole nonsense & lead to people losing their jobs & he acts like a douche on twitter about the whole thing, I can't blame people for shitting on him. Although I do think he's not the only person to blame for this mess.

>>183250764
Sometimes, the best things are reheated leftovers.

>>183250840
Scouge wasn't an "ironic" evil Sonic, because he wasn't even an evil Sonic anymore. Ian developed him into a proper character in his own right.

>penders sues archie
>causes them to lose a ton of money, they get shitcanned
>penders hires archie's crew to draw and write for lara-su chronicles

Does there exist a smarter man on this earth?

>>183250873
>Although I do think he's not the only person to blame for this mess.
He's absolutely not. Archie themselves shoulder some blame here too. Dunno what they even have now that they've lost Sonic and Riverdale is flopping hard.

>>183250680
Really wanted to see Sonic kick his ass.

>>183250567
>>183250680
Incorrect, both of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_c2RLiCHSk

>>183250840
>>183250939
yeah he made him green

>>183250305
>Archie Sonic Officially Cancelled. Good. More on this later.

OP why must you incite my fury

you didn't even link the previous thread!

>>183250952
>they say no
Was getting denied part of his plan?

what is this "archie didn't want sonic anymore because sonic isn't archie" meme? what comics does archie even have other than sonic and megaman lmao. i wouldn't even know about them if it wasnt for this

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I-It doesn't matter...
Now what... h-h-happens...
I will never...
G-give up
Th-th-the...

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>>183251009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5DAzW-udjQ
It's better with rain. Now is the time for melencholy.

>>183250305
OP you forgot to link the old thread
OLD THREAD HERE: >>183227092

Welp, the crying is over, negativity setting in. no reason to hang around here anymore. I'll be back when LHT drops... maybe never.

>>183250986
Yep. Some people are mad at SEGA but at the end of the day, it only made sense to get away from Archie after the bullshit their decisions put them in. I only hope they bring in Ian, ABT, Heese & the others to wherever they go next.

>>183251083
They have Riverdale. That's it, I think.

>>183251172
Thanks for telling us that you were never here for Sonic, but just the OCs and waifus.

>>183251170
>OP you forgot to link the old thread
op was too busy laughing at his peoples' sadness

>>183250729

"They never should've colored Tomatopotomus's legs." -The mere fact Sonic Boom has got milage out of him is great

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dicks out for mighty

>>183251019
Thanks for confirming that you never read any of Pender's Evil Sonic.

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>>183251358
Out and proud, son.

>>183251083
Dunno. Archie has almost nothing going for it now that all their vidya tie ins are over.
I expect them to die within the year if nobody buys them out first.

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Post your Thread Theme right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEGKcWHqhZQ

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>>183246104
Touched this up to be more fitting

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>>183251358

When are we going to go back to talking about Sonic?

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>>183251413

>>183251475
We are talking about Sonic Just a branch of Sonic. And there's gonna be Forces news later this week.

>>183251383
he definitely made him a different character, but neither is a good character

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;.;

>>183251278
You're right.

>>183251408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHFN7EnXpFo

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It's reassuring knowing it's not the end for Sonic in comic form. Archie's past flubs and mishandles made this feel justified in SEGA leaving Archie. I just wonder where they're gonna go for publishing and if they might bring Flynn and ABT along. Sucks ass though.

>>183251562
define good character and provide a solid example from any sonic comic

>>183251607
Quit your crying. Sega can just get another publisher and release a new comic.

>>183251408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_VVr5H4h6o

>>183251691
That's what I was speculating about.

>>183251691
That post just said it's reassuring that this isn't the end of Sonic in comic form, but it still sucks.

>>183251640
>and provide a solid example from any sonic comic
you have given me an impossible task my friend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDvTQgr1o4c

>>183251691
But it won't be the same comic, with the same characters, and the same continuity. What is it about giving all that up being difficult for fans that you can't understand?

>>183251408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnegqkIfXlw

>>183251398
>>183251358
I'm betting that one of the forgotten "classic" characters will make a real appearance in a game soon. Even if it's not Mania or Forces (which both seem like decently likely candidates), it'll be something. Sonic Team knows that Mighty, Ray, Fang, etc. exist going off of the cameos in Generations, and I think there's enough fan demand to warrant something like a rival battle for one of them.

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Please make this the next OP image.

I'll miss the Freedom Fighters.

>>183251817
The comic was just the games with extra characters after the reboot. Yeah, it sucks if you like those extra characters, but get real -- Is it really that much of a loss for a Sonic product overall?

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>>183251817
The Freedom Fighters are SatAM, not Archie, SEGA can still use them if they want to.
You'll have to say goodbye to stuff like this though.

>>183251941
I'm not really saddened that we lost the FF, but seriously somebody's gotta use those old Classic characters

Hopes for proper Mania cameos. Especially the Sonic the Fighters cast

>>183251691
I have the lurking suspicion that any new comic that SEGA comes up with will just end up a five-page-long ad for the newest game. That or something comedic and irreverent like Sonic Boom that lacks the hardcore fan appeal that the comics under Ian had.

>>183251941
>Sonic Team knows that Mighty, Ray, Fang, etc. exist going off of the cameos in Generations
Those were actually put in by some guy who worked on the game. Sega had to be told that they were just cameos for the sake of cameos. Sega doesn't really care for them.

>>183251264
Yup, finally a reason to leave.

#fuck Sonic

I'm glad we at least got to see that Chaotix story through to the end. Fun stuff and nice art.

Welp. Big pat on the back to all the comicfags.

>>183251083
>>183251401

They have the Archie brand itself, which is doing pretty well at the moment. Josie and the Pussiecats, Riverdale, Sabrina... it's a whole line. The VG tieins were the odd ones out.

>>183252007
Anon, no one's acting like this is the death of Sonic. But some of the people who's upset over losing the comic is because they did like those characters. And for others, it's because the post-reboot had some of the better writing characters like Amy, Knuckles, Chaotix etc. have gotten in ages & they'll miss that too (if the writing team isn't brought back).

>>183252101
IIRC, it was said SEGA wanted the comics to be its own thing so probably not. Hopefully.

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>>183251941
>I'm betting that one of the forgotten "classic" characters will make a real appearance in a game soon

SOON

>>183252027
>SEGA can still use them if they want to.
They're never going to. They didn't create the characters. With that knowledge, they are going to shelve them.

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>>183252216
>it's because the post-reboot had some of the better writing characters like Amy, Knuckles, Chaotix etc. have gotten in ages & they'll miss that too (if the writing team isn't brought back).
Absolutely this.

>>183252216
Why not just write your own stories? Sonic fan fiction worth reading is kind of an untapped market.

And don't just do greentext idea posting for the rest of your life, either. Actually write scenes, even if it's just narration, stage direction, and dialogue.

>>183251985
#savethefreedomfighters

>>183252247
Fuck Might, honestly. I don't know why people give a shit about this character. He's just a red Sonic, I'm not meming here, that is what he is. Bring back Fang the fucking Sniper.

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>>183252247
Why does Mighty have blue eyes? Every other member of the Chaotix has yellow eyes for some reason.

I'm sad about the comics ending, but I'm curious about the Forces news. It would be nice to see a cutscene or something after this whole ordeal.

>>183252216
>they'll miss that too (if the writing team isn't brought back).
You know these people aren't the only people on the planet that can write the characters, right?

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>i only just found out it's over because i was in class all day
FUCK

>>183252394
Knuckles doesn't and Mighty isn't really a true member of Chaotix since he also hung out with Sonic in the trackball arcade game

I mean technically Vector was a part of Sonic's band, but that never really became a thing

>>183252128
God. How fucking incompetent can you be to have gold in your fucking hands and smear shit all over it and then bury it, and think you're helping.

>>183252332
Because I can't write for shit. Not to mention, I don't have a lot of time to dedicate to properly writing stories.

>>183252448
Of course, but they still did great work on them.

>>183252465
I think it's because a lot of the scrapped characters were designed by people who don't work for Sega anymore.

>>183252007
24 years worth of shit just got canned for the second time in past year or two. We lost a bunch of shit, scraped through to the other side with a reboot and then just as that was looking up we got broadsided and sank.

Nobody expected the comic to shut down after nearly 25 years, that's almost as long as the franchise has existed for. People are a bit shook up about it. Don't forget how long we got strung along for, there was a hiatus of a few months last time and the comic continued, so there was still some hope left.

Even now it's not crushed. Sega might carry over the creative team onto a new book and continue the numbering, to keep the legacy of longest running title etc.

They won't, they'll reboot and start over, likely with a game only comic that has zero to no development and is just to designed to push adverts.

That is, if they even bother doing a comic any time soon. Just because it's not "the end of sonic in comics" doesn't mean we'll see another sonic title this year, if next. But chances are when it does show up, it could be fucking terrible. We just lost the potential of something that was rebuilding and looked good, and if it ever does get replaced it could be with something terrible. First mega man and now this, I gotta stop being a fan of shit. What's next TMNT? Oh wait the new show just got cancelled.

>>183252462
I forgot about the trackball game and I guess Knuckles is part of Sonic's group more than the Chaotix, that makes sense.
I do wonder why they were all given the same colour of eyes though, it is a strange coincidence.

Some time ago, I got to work on one of the prompts in the /sthg/ pastebin, where the Freedom Fighters go on a camping trip.

I lost motivation to finish it but I think I should get around to it now.

>>183252591
Maybe yellow eyes to look like rings as a reference to knuckles chaotix?

>>183252521
I believe in you, anon. Unless you like Scourge.

I'm serious, though, I'd love to see this thread produce some reading material, collaboratively or otherwise. Put that energy towards something creative, I'm sure some of you have done it before-- every you speculate about where the plot could, or in some cases should, go.

>>183252562
Man, not even Naoto Ohshima works for the series anymore. He's busy funding shitty Yoshi sequels

It doesn't matter, if Sega owns the characters they can use them

>>183252591
Probably just laziness. They were shoved in for a gameplay gimmick in Heroes and just kind of stuck around

Chaotix deserves better. They should go on more detective adventures with Fang as their enemy

>>183252673
>It doesn't matter, if Sega owns the characters they can use them
But they don't want to.

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>>183251985
http://media.tumblr.com/8802d4d187751bd91a4c2c23585d7e02/tumblr_otdbhwYKOP1ugzrvqo1_raw.png

>>183252667
every time*

>>183252667
I mean yeah, that is a cool idea. And I would love to see this general do more projects, whether it'd be stages in the devkit or stories, or whatever. Eh, who knows?

>>183252709
Their fault

Honestly it's better that they actually try to get Sonic right first before doing spinoffs even if I'd kill for any of the games' tertiary characters to come back. Or have Tails, Knuckles and Amy stop being useless

>>183251413
It hurts

>>183252853
Classic Sonic gameplay could literally just be fucking Tails instead.

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>>183252897
>B-but nobody wants to play as Sonic's shitty friends

Fuck Forces. Hell, Tails could do Buddy's schtick and Buddy could be "Classic Gameplay". I can't believe the two games we're getting have
>Sonic, Tails, Knuckles
and
>Sonic, Sonic and Donut the Steal
as the playable characters

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>>183251413
god, why

>>183252853
I like the old characters, but how would they even be introduced now? The current cast is already put on the backburner, so the chances of characters like Fang or Mighty are slim, and Iizuka has this weird shit going on about the Modern and Classic being completely different universes.

>>183253051
Iizuka needs to be removed. He's kind of the root of the problem, and has been for over a decade.

RIP Freedom Fighters. Last remnants of Satam. Even if they bring back a new comic, they'll never use them.

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I hope Sega cancels Mania and Forces so this shitty ass franchise and its retarded fanbase can finally be put down.

>>183253112
I'm glad SatAM is finally dead. Other continuities deserved recolonization than that pile of steaming trash.

>>183252186
they also were the only popular ones too

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>>183253112
#savethefreedomfighters

>>183253112
Freedom Fighters are a product of an era where Sonic didn't have a million different interpretations. They only really fit when Robotnik was interpreted as a threat

But Eggman was never truly a threat, just Sonic's rival. They have no purpose in what Sonic actually was, just a different interpretation of Sonic

It really fucking sucks they're gone, but they just don't fit in anything but Forces

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>>183253190
Britfag detected

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>>183253256
fight for freedom

>>183253312
Sonic the Comic is sincerely worse than any of Penders' fanfiction

>>183253008
Forces is odd for me, honestly. I like that they finally brought back a somewhat more serious tone for the game (I even love the cheesiness of Fist Bump), I like that Sonic's friends seems to be doing more than the last 2-3 games & I like the inclusion of Metal & how it seems like Shadow is gonna be somewhat important to this game. Hell, I even like the idea of a CaC. But then they put in Classic Sonic for reasons, & while Sonic's friends are doing things this time it sucks they're still NPCs.

>>183253256
How long before people fill up the Sonic social media with this?

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>>183253312

>>183253389
On some occasions the art style was actually quite lovely, though. Far more often than Sonic was until the Ian era.

>>183253389
I've only been reading Fleetway through the storytimes here, but nah. It's not perfect, but it had its moments.

I never read them, but I'm sorry that it's over for you comicfags.

>>183253396
I like a lot of the ideas of Forces but the execution is fucking awful

>NPC friends never shut up, hopefully this can be turned off
>>>Classic Sonic
>Reused assets from Generations and Lost World indicating they lazily whipped this shit up and still missed the anniversary deadline
>All of Sonic's enemies, even ones that don't make sense like Chaos and Zavok

Like the fuck

I read some guy saying that SEGA wants to streamline Sonic because Boom was trash, and that's why the comics ended. But is that really the case? They're still airing the TV series (which I think was kind of a success?) and there's the 3DS games too.

>>183253207

Sonic books sold high-6k, since the reboot Archie's been selling more. Betty & Veronica too. Plus they get the occasional mini that makes a big splash like Afterlife with Archie.

Not /vg/ fair, but they're doing fine. They just had a weird setup of two relatively small but effectively unrelated sets of comics

>>183253389
Now you are just bullshitting.

>>183253564
The NPCs talking doesn't bother me, but yeah, there should be an option to turn them off after the first playthrough. And reused assets from Gens & LW is not that big of a deal, although I really hope there's more original stuff in the game. However, shit like Zavok coming back, or Chaos being evil (and there really needs to be a reason for this) & especially the return of Classic Sonic just annoys me. I'm not hating on the game yet, but some of these decisions just absolutely baffles me.

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Scanneranon here, managed to scrape together what I could from the proof copy.

Used a pano stitcher to put like 6 images together, though the right side is still a bit cut off.

>>183253925
>tfw hoping Honey makes a cameo as an idol advertisement in Studiopolis or something

Sonic needs idols

>>183253785
Why? It has just as many generic, sci-fi influenced OCs like Dr. Zachary, plus cheesy, out of place brit culture references and a Sonic that tries too hard to be le edgy badass all the damn time. It's at least as bad.

>>183254013
It doesn't hurt to look at and generally doesn't take itself seriously.

>>183253925
Noice. Thank you for your efforts, Anon.

>>183253925
Was this issue actually planned to take place in Studiopolis?

>>183253925
Nice work. God, I hope that post about SEGA releasing these issues before starting the new comics aren't bullshit. This looks like so much fun.

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>>183253925
>Tfw there was going to be another issue with Sonic and Honey interacting.

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>>183253598
Sega wants to streamline Sonic because there hasn't been a well received Sonic game in 7 years (besides ports). They want to focus on one thing at a time so they can get it right.

The comics ended because of lawsuits with Penders and Fulop. Archie is utterly incompetent and Sega probably doesn't want to deal with this headache anymore.

They're still airing the TV series because it's profitable for them and gives the series publicity (not just Boom but Sonic in general. I remember reading something about profits on merchandise and apparently they're making a killing on Sonic Boom toys.

Sonic Boom Fire and Ice was most likely already in development before the first 3DS Sonic Boom game was even released. They honestly expected the entire Sonic Boom branch of the franchise to really take off so they invested heavily in it at the start. They seem to just be riding it out now. The cartoon and merchandise will probably be gone by the end of the year.

>>183251192
>I only hope they bring in Ian, ABT, Heese & the others to wherever they go next.
Make them game writers for the love of fuck christ on a sandwich we need them so bad right now.

>>183251691
T- They can...? So, the comic isn't over?

>>183251691
the question is will they bother? The comic has been nothing but problems for them in the past. Comics are also a dying medium.

>>183252590
It's really starting to feel like adulthood now. Sonic as a franchise is literally the same age as I am, and I was already feeling existential about turning 25 (going on 26 now). I have to say this is some bleak news for me. It's hitting me now, just how much of the heart of Sonic as a brand rested on the comics, especially under Ian. So much of the fansbase love the comics, so many great character moments in the comics, and now it's over. Goddamn.

>>183254641
It's not. You can read the notice on the sonic twitter and basically it's an end with Archie as a publisher.

>>183254641
SEGA said in their statement that this is not the end of Sonic in comics.

>>183254736
The only problems the comic has caused was shit that involved the pre-boot.

>>183251413
Fuck.

>>183254851
>It's hitting me now, just how much of the heart of Sonic as a brand rested on the comics
Shitty recolors, OCs. and melodrama?

>>183254974
I mean, you can use that to describe Adventure 2

>>183251408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OvYsnv07g8

>>183255019
I'll murder you right now.

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>>183254489
>STILL A MONTH TO GO

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

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>>183255073
Well, Shadow IS the original black and red oc Hedgehog.

>>183255019
So we agree Adventure 2 and Archie under Ian are good.

>>183255258
Now you are going to trigger the Classicusks and Boostfags.

>>183255258
Yep. See how nice it is when two anons get along?

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>>183253598
>>183254435
>yfw SEGA is planning to nuke modern Sonic with the movie so they have an excuse to stick to classic styled games
>nuking the comics is just the first step, Boom is up on the chopping block next

>>183254974
>>183255019
Rosy the Rascal was a Sonic genderbend so I guess we're throwing Sonic CD out too. Metal Sonic is literally Sonic as a robot so the 90s OVA is out. Literally anything but Sonic and Tails running in Green Hill Zone for all eternity is trash.

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>>183255258
I wouldn't say SA2 is that good, but I wouldn't say the comics are that much of a downgrade from the games when there's hardly any quality control to begin with. Also they give me Omega and I love Omega

SA1 best 3D game story

>>183255125
Good thing I have Splatoon 2 to hold me off.

>>183255365
Boom has nothing to do with Modern Sonic, it's never been canon either.

>>183254301
Seems so, featuring some kind of Sentai parody with SonicMan. Also some fluff kitchen story called Baking Bad. It looked like fun. Can't have that!

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>>183255405
But Sonic 2 is the weakest of the four Classic games

>>183250305
One... More... Last... Fist... Bump...

>>183255418
I loved learning about Knuckles' culture. Echidna lore from SA1 still makes my chest swell with nostalgia. Also I really, really love Tikal. And miss her. Too bad she's dead.

And that music, god.

I started SA2B for the first time and cleared one of each type of level. I really hate the camera, but otherwise not bad so far.

>>183255501
Yes, but they want to nuke modern Sonic and everything else that has come from it in its entirety

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>>183255607
Jun Senou's magnum opus. Everything about Adventure is the perfect transition to 3D, even if the gameplay is a little fucked

No 3D game engages me as much as Adventure 1 did. Adventure 2's such a downgrade and Heroes even more so like fuck how did you get it so wrong

>>183255552
All of these are patrician, but opinions.

>>183251009
Just a suggestion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03qBqP2I4p8

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>>183255418
Unleashed and Black Knight had a better story.

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>>183254072
>It doesn't hurt to look at
Top left is a panel drawn by Nigel Kitching, Sonic the Comic's most prolific artist, and considered by fans to be Fleetway's cream of the crop. Here, in this last panel of the very last issue of the comic, we see him produce a stunning portrayal of classic SEGA characters Amy "Man Hands" Rose and Tails With a Neck.

To the right we find, going clockwise from the bottom, art by a few of Archie Comic's best: Steven Butler, Tracy Yardley, and Ben Bates.

Now, do you have any questions, nostalgia-blinded britfag? Anything to say about the "quality" of Sonic the Comic's art during its heyday? You have to dig far into Archie Sonic's past to find terrible art, but this is from StC's very last issue and was drawn by one of their best, no less.

>>183254489
>the first act of Mania's GHZ is the original Acts 1 and 2 combined, and then with a shitton of stuff added in between

I seriously hope this is the formula they're following for the rest of the Act 1 remakes. That's awesome.

In the night light, do you still feel your pain?

For the valor you waited, it never came.

If you were able, would you go change the past,

To mend a faux pas with one last chance?

>>183255882
>Black Knight
I think that just proves Sonic's good at bullshitting

As for Unleashed, that depends if you're a fan of Chip or not. I couldn't give a fuck, so that significantly hurts the story for me

>>183255742
Heroes is actually incredibly fun once you learn all the speedruning tricks. Movement becomes incredibly satisfying and you can skip past all the boring parts. I only wish that Sega designed the game with this stuff in mind.

>>183255623
I've suspected this for a while but i they actually end up doing it what little respect I manage to have for the Sonic faction of SEGA will fizzle out. It seems like all they ever do is chase their tails trying to appeal to the loudest minority they can instead of tuning it all out and really... THINKING, about which direction to go. They don't learn. I wanted to believe Forces would be different, and yeah I am still interested in the game, but why the hell are they maintaining that it isn't Generations 2 for example? Don't they know how much more interested people would be in the game if they just fucking titled it Generations 2? Like I don't understand their mindset at all, I don't get why they keep fucking up. There is no reason why they couldn't have just made it Generations 2 if they were going to have Classic Sonic in it. "Classic Sonic" as a concept shouldn't exist in a main Modern 3D game. It should just be a separate Generations canon that doesn't infringe on the timeline. But no, nooo we have to make shit more complicated than it needs to be for no goddamn reason.

TL;DR, I'm getting increasingly jaded by the decisions of SEGA regarding Sonic, am bored with the Classic+Modern fad, and really want to have hope for Modern Sonic to be good again but am losing hope fast.

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>>183255884
Butler > Bates > Yardley

>>183256069
That's what the game SHOULD have been. Being able to pick which character and which pathways with whatever character you wanted to rather than forcing a specific formation on you for no good reason other than to justify the team gimmick

Also holy fuck who thought the flight formation was a good idea

>>183255742
I like both Adventure games but Heroes was fucking awful. People say 06 was the beginning of the end, but it was actually Heroes that doomed us all. Then Shadow The Hedgehog after that.

>>183256114
>Bates > Butler > Yardley
FIFY

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>>183256114
>anyone but Hesse and maybe Skelly rivaling Bates
Boi...

>>183255418

Ah, I love Omega :D Treasure Team Tango, the story you linked, etc..

>>183255995
I adore Chip personally. I promise these aren't fighting words, but I actually prefer Chip over Tails as Sonic's best friend. Their "break up" scene affected me more than any other on screen relationship Sonic ever had.

>>183256314
>I actually prefer Chip over Tails as Sonic's best friend
Same here.

>>183256114
Controversial opinion, but then I always preferred the taller Sonic and Sally, so I'm inclined to agree.

>>183256076
Sonic is too good for Sega.

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>>183255995
I liked Chip and teared up when it was time to say bye. That piano piece really brought it all together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bMwr7LEYLE

>>183256314
>but I actually prefer Chip over Tails as Sonic's best friend
Me too.

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>>183256314
I just can't with Chip. I tried, but his design is hideous and doesn't belong anywhere near a Sonic game. It's like the artist attended a class on how to design an appealing character and then did everything exactly the opposite.

>>183255884
You know that Yardley panel is from a fancomic right?

>>183256314
>>183256474
You can really tell they tried to develop their relationship so that the ending you really feel that loss when he leaves, but for Sonic? It was well handled, I just didn't care for the character

It's a good story concept and works well which is more you can say for other games in the series. I just prefer the more personal development everyone had in Adventure 1 and what was accomplished there since nearly everyone felt like they developed until SA2 shat on nearly all of them

>>183256576
This is a bit of a genuine problem I had with Chip's design. He looks a bit sparkledog-tier, even if he's justifiably odd, being God and all

I feel like it also would've been stronger if Sonic actually kept his bracelet in later games

>>183256431
I'd be more optimistic about the current push for Muh Classic if they actually did interesting things with it. If they tried to make it new and give it a story and give Classic Sonic a real personality, but they're just making him a silent mascot with no real character traits than "fast" and "cute". But Classic Sonic of the past was actually a person, he wasn't just a little fluff ball with poses. That's I'm so bored with Mania hype (the over glorified fangame-though I admit it does look nice) and just everything about the Classic push right now doesn't hold my attention for long. It's so boring. It's so safe. They're regressing. They're infantilizing Sonic as a brand and as a character.

>>183256192
>Bates > Yardley > Butler
ftfy

I like buxom ladies as much as the next guy but it was still off-model.

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>>183256731
After games like Lost World I'm not surprised Sega's trying to be safe right now

I'd like it if Sonic had more of a character, but it's really, really hard to say no to good games

>>183256662
I'm aware. But I needed at least one other example of Archie-style Sonic, Tails, and Amy. Still good Yardley! art, though admittedly not the best example I could have probably found.

>>183256076
How would this not be the best timeline though?

Yeah, it sucks that we would loose the comic, but wouldn't you want a franchise based around Sonic's best years thats supported by the community?

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>>183256731
>they're just making him a silent mascot with no real character traits than "fast" and "cute"
Maybe they're trying to make him more appealing in Japan?

>>183256847
There's some irrational, probably autistic part of me that burns up inside every time I see Mania Sonic, because they should fucking use the Sonic 3 & Knuckles sprite like a proper successor to 2D Genesis Sonic should.

>>183256972
Japan loves the fuck out of Modern Sonic though. At least, the fans of Sonic that I see all seem to adore Modern. But I don't know if that means Sonic is popular in the mainstream the way Yokai Watch or Pokemon are. Although I think I read somewhere that it's international fans that carry the franchise as we're the ones buying the most Sonic games, but don't quote me on this.

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>>183256972
Sonic's never been popular in Japan. I sincerely hope this changes their mind, otherwise everything would've been a total waste

>>183257003
Like Knuckles' Sprite? I don't really like Sonic 3's sprite to begin with so it doesn't bother me that much, but I feel like maybe that should've been the case for a "Saturn" game

It's just Sonic Crackers used the 2 sprite so I just wonder why 3 got such a different sprite. Tails' has been consistent since conception

I just realized of Sonic as a whole ever gets cancelled for real forever, everyone would say

"It's been a good run."

>>183257146
The details on S3K's sprite makes it look a bit like they had SA1's design in mind; I'm not entirely sure why, but the smaller eyes and visible mouth give me that vibe.

>>183257146
Yeah, I like what they've done with Knuckles' sprite.

I know some people don't like Sonic 3 Sonic--I'll never understand why--and Taxman is one of those people, presumably (being such a fag for Sonic CD and all), so I feel he's just forcing his own personal taste where it doesn't belong.

I mean really, why would a supposed lost 2D Saturn Sonic use a modified Sonic 2 sprite? They wouldn't have just reverted all the subtle changes they had made to Sonic (bigger hands and feet, more curved, slightly rounded spines).

Sonic Crackers was just an experiment and was likely done by a group working separate from the S3&K team.

>>183257542
The sprite just looks dopey as fuck to me, like they tried to cram way too many details into a small sprite and couldn't get it right. I prefer the more streamlined, simplistic design of the older sprites

But they probably should've improved upon it instead of just ignoring it. Honestly it looks similar to Classic Sonic's Generations model, which I'm not much a fan of either

>>183257146
All these years I never noticed the color difference between S3 and S&K Knuckles.

>>183257881
Cutscene Knuckles has a different color for some reason. I think it has to do with his socks ruining the HUD so they had to change his socks to yellow

When you play as him he has his proper colors

>>183257146
>Sonic's never been popular in Japan

>>183255890
i doubt it

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Huh, someone on /co/ said it was Yardley's birthday yesterday. Anyone else here knew?

>>183258672
Yeah, it was brought up in the last few threads

I take back everything I said about Sonic Mania I just heard Hard Boiled Heavies and my interest in Mania has increased 10x. I didn't know they were going to use real music in the game instead of only chiptune nosalgiafagging. Although I do love chiptunes but for god's sake Sonic music is so much more than that now and I'm glad they agree.

>>183259079
The Studiopolis theme is so good too what the fuck! Maybe I like neo Classic Sonic now after all.

>>183258672
Yep.

And his car got smashed too. Happy fuckin birthday!

zzzz

>>183257146
Knuckles having noticeably smaller pupils than Sonic never felt right to me. It's less noticeable when he's placed next to Sonic's Sonic 3 sprite. Even in Mania, his sprite compared to Knuckles looks a little jarring because it's still super clear they used his Sonic 1/2 sprite as a base.

>>183259936
Yeah, I've been saying this would be the case ever since they first revealed they were using Sonic's 1/2/CD as a base. But nostalgia is a hell of a drug, and so is some people's hatred for the Sonic 3 sprite.

>>183259079
>>183259231
You needed to hear "real music" just to get interested in Mania? The other tracks we've heard from Mania so far were just as good, with fine instruments to boot.

The real "chiptune nostalgiafagging" was in Sonic 4, when they used cheap synths and sounds to try and replicate the Genesis sound, and ended up detracting from the quality overall.

>>183256731
>>183256972
You don't get it. Sonic's "dude with tude" attitude is 90s as fuck. It's juvenile. Sonic SHOULD be a silent mascot, because he's a character about action, not words. Sonic SHOULD be cute, because that broadens his appeal across all ages and only Europoors and edgy tweens like him as a douche. His attitude works better when it's more subtle and not in your face.

Classicucks need to face reality: the last 20 years actually happened and Sonic looks more and more dated as time goes by. Why do you think the Ninja Turtles keep changing with the times?

>>183254435
>there hasn't been a well received Sonic game in 7 years (besides ports)
Sonic Generations was garbage, but it was and is well received.
hold on that was 6 years ago fuck

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>>183250680
As much as I adore this character I'd be fine with him leaving the comic. Except that a MASTER PLAN against Sonic was set up. This needed to be followed up on and then have Scourge leave one last battle with Sonic. Scourge, Geoffrey, Naugus(running into the forest LOL) didn't get the Final Battles they deserved. Eggman's Dozen were also turning out to be pretty interesting bad guys.

What other villains needed to have proper conclusions?

Oh Jesus there's a Chao in SA:DX that has hyper speed.

>>183261583
Chacron strikes again.

>>183261524
Mogul, Finitevus, Eclipse, Snively, Team Hooligan

>>183260690

I don't think he should be silent, I rather like snarky Boom Sonic

>>183262084
I've never seen him before. He was just hanging out at the start then blew everybody away like a little motorboat.
I beat him and got 4 emblems in a row. Which means I just 100% Sonic Adventure for the first time.

>>183252394

Relic of the time. Before the Heroes redesigns came along, Vector and Espio (and like 90% of characters) had blue eyes in the modern interim era as well. Only reason Charmy didn't was because he wasn't around during that time due to plot reasons.

>>183262376
Good job, now do all the missions and Metal Sonic trials.

>>183262723
I did the missions, they award emblems so they're part of getting 100%. I'm fucking with Metal now, is it me or is he a little slower than Sonic?
Next it's time to get into the GG titles after I play with Metal for a bit.

http://spiritsonic.tumblr.com/post/163204711509/thoughts-on-the-official-archie-sonic-comic-series

Evan Stanley confirms that she knew in January.

>>183263016
So SEGA leaving Archie has been the case since January. So why did they say nothing until now?

>>183258276
why

>>183263016
>cancelled since January
They played us like a damn fiddle

>>183255405
>tails running through green hill zone

>>183256847
STOP GETTING BRIGHTER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>183263329
>>183263141

January is when it stopped publishing- that's what Yardley is referring to, not secret info.

I mean, who would not strongly suspect when they heard 'hiatus pending legal/license results'?

>>183263010
Missions don't add emblems, they are just small challenges you can do. You do need to do all of them to get all the GG games though.
I think Metal Sonic just feels slightly slower because he shares his animations with Sonic except his normal run animation which is a hover without any moving legs. His high speed run animation that you get from running downhill, boostpads, and spindash is the same as Sonic's and feels just as fast.

Note the word 'confirm' in there. No more official confirmation than us, but we all suspected.

>>183263762

Oops, Stanley, my bad. Writers mixed up in the mind

I went into Sonic Blast expecting to have a giggle but some of the visuals in this are pretty impressive for an 8 bit game.

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How would Berserk play out if it had Knuckles as Guts and Chip as Puck?

Hi, can you please give me any info why the fuck is comics being shutted down?

>>183264545
I also need to know who Griffith and Casca would be

>>183264689
Ken won.

>>183252994
Damn, I made that forever ago. Nice to see senpai noticed

Lend me your energy guys, this one's for you Penders.
CURSE YE HA ME HAAAAAAA!!!

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>>183264689
Pic related sums it up.

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>>183264545

>>183264689
apparently archie asked for more money and sega said no

>>183265141
>>183250305
>>183250468
>>183250567

Penders wasn't the problem. Archie made him what he is, Archie was the problem all the long.

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>Snively never got to reveal his master plan

>>183265192
So they could have shut him up and possibly counter sued if they had just kept proper documentation. Unfortunately he's getting a bit of notoriety from all this. Fortunately his artwork is absolute garbage that most people would probably look at and laugh.

>>183265618

Archie can't make someone an ass.

The old management's poor contract skills was a problem but his actions are his own. Heck, it's not even the same management by this point.

I'll miss comic discussion. Video Game discussion always seems to get too heated for my taste, and the comics were a way to talk about Sonic and avoid all that. Hopefully the future holds something better for us.

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Wow I just woke up and what's going on with all these threads archived in the middle of the night
Why is Sonic dead
Why weren't the very comic staff informed about it
WHERE IS SALLY GOING

>Archie Sonic's officially over
Man, what a weird feeling. To be honest, it kinda died for me when it rebooted, I just never managed to move on. Still, there's still a really sad feeling that this is fully the end of them. Feel for everyone who was really invested in them to the end.

>>183268130
She's going to live in our hearts anon ;_;

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>>183267326
Videogame discussion is just shitposters saying rings, spindash and Tails ruined Sonic. /sthg/ always was about Bump, Sage and FF waifus.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obwCGASjA8c

So beautiful...

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>>183268201
This is the Internet age, drawfags and amateur devs can make her survive. The comics were just glorified fanfiction after all and despite what autistic shitposters say, there's nothing wrong with fanfiction. Sonic was a Mario OC. Robotnik was an American fanfiction name that finally got official with Adventure.

In the worst case, maybe Mobius should separate itself from Sonic's world

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Remember when Sonic used to have a comic?

>>183268442
There was a Sonic comic?!

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>>183268419
Amy wishes she was half as rad as Sonia

>>183252027
Egg Bosses, Best Group of Mavericks to Never Appear in a Mega Man X game.

>>183268130

Sonic is dead due to non-public legal stuff (likely Penders related) making Sega decide to part ways with Archie.

The comic staff wasn't informed because it was just made official, I don't think anyone not involved in the behind the scenes stuff knew- though nigh everyone suspected- til now.

Hey atleast we still have tgt

>>183268676
This wasn't the greatest show around but it had some continuity, like Sonia's process of building up super speed in the later episodes. Manik never did that, though. I wonder if he was intended to be normal forever or if the writers had another season to work with they'd eventually make both siblings fast like Sonic.

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I hate each and every one of you all. Have a rotten day.

>>183269009
I feel like Manic wasn't very liked by the writers, every episode was mainly Sonia and Sonic wrecking Robotnik's robots while he stayed in the background doing support jobs. Him and Sonic made a good team exchanging jokes though IMO

Actual drummer

>>183269206
fuck off markiplier

>>183269206
Sage is probably really happy at the news.

>>183269297
>I feel like Manic wasn't very liked by the writers
Which was weird. The show had an ax to grind against the rich and privileged, they were horrible snobs at best and helped Robotnik with criminal conspiracies at worse. In a story about poor freedom fighters trying to take down The Man you'd think Manic, the urchin who lived a rough life, would take center stage to fight against the elite. But it's the rich girl that always saves the day instead of him.

>>183269206
The hell's the new guy's problem??

>>183268616
No that's just a myth.

>>183269985
Underrated character. The worse was that his backstory was the most interesting of the three and I liked how he actually was the most empathetic and passionate of the siblings in the episodes. He also was a breath of fresh air compared to "muh canon" shonen Sonic characters

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>Shadow wins general
>Comics die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGTBNpIo69M
Coincidence? I think not

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The comic had already been silent for so long that I feel like I'm not as impacted by this as I should be. It feels more like watching a dying dog finally kick the bucket than it does hearing a close friend suddenly died. We knew this was coming, we just didn't know when.

Oh well.

>We never got to see Studiopolis, Mirage Saloon etc. debut in the comic
>Overdrives fate is left uncertain

>>183269985
I think it was more like they knew Manic was already a solid character so they gave the development to the other two. It's not like Manic didn't have his own focus episodes, just that they preferred the "spoiled prissy princess learns to become more down-to-earth" route.

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I can't help but pick apart this announcement in an attempt to distract myself from the sadness.

>will conclude their publishing partnership
Has it not happened yet, then? If it had, wouldn't it read "has concluded"?

>this does not mean the end for Sonic in comics
>take a different direction for the series to be announced
This could mean so many things, both good and bad.

>>183271148
The worst part is that Overdrive was finished according to Hesse. Same with a few upcoming issues that will now never release.

>>183271598
Well you have to make a difference between a contract/agreement and a marketing declaration. In the former, every word counts, in the latter, who cares you the customer is considered to be retarded olol. You shouldn't try to read to much into this drivel and care more about the reactions and possible leaks about Sega's business plans.

>>183271778
>Same with a few upcoming issues that will now never release.
Do you think they'll eventually get leaked?

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>Tfw /sthg/ is going to die shortly after Mania is released.
F.

>>183271961
Yardley sells prints of his art all the time and Archie has no problems with it, so it might happen.

>>183272016
This place will make it to Forces. After that, who knows?

>>183272016
It won't die it will just devolve into Waifu/Husbando/Gfur shitposting until Forces.
Then it will die unless new comics have come out by then.

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Late to get my thoughts in, but here goes nothing. Like a lot of people have said, we've known for a while that this was coming, but we weren't quite sure when. Regardless, this is still hitting pretty hard. Though I haven't been into the comics as long as some anons here, as I'd only really gotten into them when the Ride happened, by the end of it all I'd fallen in love with it all completely. Beyond even that, the comics, in a way, ended up introducing me to people who would end up becoming some of my best friends at least one of which I guarantee will end up reading this, so they've gotten a special significance for me.

Of course, there's the matter of what'll happen here with /sthg/ as well, as we've been struggling as it is ever since the comic hiatus started, and I sure as hell don't want to lose you faggots either. Whatever Sega ends up doing with the book, I hope it turns out well and it happens soon, but either way, it just won't be the same unless it's current continuity with the same staff on it. One last ride for old time's sake when?

I bet Sonic is crying right now.

>>183271961
>>183272082
Time to start saving up to buy Universe 95 and 96. It's eating me alive thinking that we might never see it.

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So what killed the comics?
Other than Penders.

>>183251563
This makes me feel sadder.

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>>183272538

Knuc, Knuck 'n Knuckles

>>183251408
https://youtu.be/dWTYX16R8cU

>>183272551
Fulop, I suppose too. That lawsuit probably helped make SEGA's decision. That said, it's Archie's own incompetence that let those lawsuits happen in the first place.

Also, part of me feels if the new direction ends up SEGASonic stuff only, that another reboot was going to be inevitable at some point. To bring the secondary medium in-line with what SEGA would prefer to market.

>>183252027

I was under the impression that they owned all the post reboot characters to avoid any future mess.

>>183254008
He has several, anon. They're just not "animals"

>>183272551
Penders, Gabrie, Fulop, Kaminski, and whichever idiot decided not to buy a fireproof safe to put the contracts in.

>>183273048
That was my understanding as well, that after the first lawsuit Sega put its foot down and made sure that ANY material produced for thr book belonged to them.

>>183256972
The Sailor Sonic outfit is so cute and it reminds me of the old plush.

How do you think Sonic feels right now?

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>>183273693
He might be sad. But he has a higher power to rely on.

>>183272453
>Of course, there's the matter of what'll happen here with /sthg/ as well, as we've been struggling as it is ever since the comic hiatus started
Well, not necessarily in terms of activity, we've been fine. Still, I remember there was a significant drop in activity after Rise of Lyric came out, so a drought is probably coming.

Did the Archie comic at least get a satisfying conclusion even with the forced reboot?

>>183274221
Not really. If it ended right when SWC did, it'd be a bit better.

>>183274219
Well, not so much necessarily in activity, but discussion quality has been down the shitter for a while, and a lack of quality discussion+a slow pace of discussion on a board as fast as /vg/ can only spell trouble.

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>ABT says he was influenced by Berserk when working on 95/96
>these two were going to team up
Did we seriously miss out on the best action issue to date?

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>>183272975
>To bring the secondary medium in-line with what SEGA would prefer to market
I'm not really sure they care anyway. Sega didn't hesitate to take inspiration from some of the localized canon for Sonic in general. I especially feel like 06 Eggman was inspired by Robotnik. Now, maybe if they want to push their own Freedom Fighters narrative with Forces, maybe they needed to eliminate the comics fakers or at least put things in order.

>>183275239
Literally the only nods to western canon were the name Robotnik (which was created by SoA and hasn't shown up since SA2) and Sonic's enjoyment of chili dogs. 06 Eggman wasn't inspired by SatAM or the comics, the writers simply decided to write him more seriously because they wanted a more serious story. Conflating Forces and the Freedom Fighters is a huge stretch, because Forces is literally "what if Eggman took over the world?" + "oh hey, we remembered Sonic has friends"

>Comics are dead
>Boom not getting a new season and sent to Boomerang in a shit slot to die
>Forces widely hated and mocked
>Sega looking at reception of Forces and Mania to determine where the franchise goes from here

It's finally happening,classicbros, Sonic is saved, I kinda feel bad for you folks who actually like the friend characters, you're never gonna see any of them again after this year

>>183275239
>Sega kills off the FF who have a following and 20+ years of history, so they can make their own watered-down bastardised version.

Oh boy I can't wait for the generic Sonic's Worldian soldier in the reboot!

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>just find out about the announcement
Well, it's not like this week was great to begin with.

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>>183275832
>Boom not getting a new season and sent to Boomerang in a shit slot to die
This is such bullshit, fuck CN.

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>>183275927
Hey now, there's no need to be so fatalistic. Yeah, this hurts, but at long last it's the end of pussyfooting around about "talks". We can finally accept it and move on. We have Mania coming in a month, Forces at the end of the year, and the announcement hints at a new direction for the comics in the future. There's plenty to look forward to.

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>>183275121
>my favorite Sonic comic gal and favorite Sonic vidya gal were gonna team up
WAKE ME UP INSIDE

I guess the comic news is an early /sthg/ birthday present.

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>>183276268


That new direction they're talking about could be anything, but whether or not its a good or bad thing doesn't matter since it won't be a continuation of what we've grown to love. At best, I can only imagine a comic that Sega doesn't try relentlessly to sterilize

The games lack of deep story was balanced by the comics extensive one. I don't want even want to buy the new games coming out now. I'll get them used or off grey markets at this point. I don't want to support a series that's just going to brush me off for supporting it for as long as I have.

>>183277009
>The games lack of deep story was balanced by the comics extensive one. I don't want even want to buy the new games coming out now. I'll get them used or off grey markets at this point. I don't want to support a series that's just going to brush me off for supporting it for as long as I have.

This is what I'm feeling as well.

>>183255884
>Now, do you have any questions, nostalgia-blinded britfag?

why are you comparing kitching's work with stuff published decades later? If you're gonna do a comparison you gotta compare StC with Dark Ages Archie. Stop cherry picking your examples.

>>183276458
I really hope we eventually get to see the finished work. I mean even if it's not on sale they should be allowed to share it online if archie sonic is dead.

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>>183275121
>>183276458
>Sonic and Antoine
>Blaze and Bunnie
Wait a second...could Mozart be alive?

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>>183275832
>Forces widely hated and mocked
keep dreaming

Look on the bright side. The Archie Sonic comics were cancelled, but at least World War 3 was prevented.

I should know. I burned the contracts.

Is it bad I wish ABT would stream again? I'd like to hear his thoughts on the situation.

>>183275832
>Amy
>Chaotix
Yeah keep laughing classicfag (coming from an all(?)fag)

>>183278151
Last I heard, he was working on 5? comic projects? That number could be wrong though.

>>183277893
>but at least World War 3 was prevented
You make it sound like that was a bad thing.

>>183278309
There are no classicfags, only shitposters who never played the games

I went to sleep. You guys are still crying about the comics?

>>183278673
Don't Cry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIbf6JqkNc

>>183278314
Yeah, that's why I'm not surprised he hasn't streamed in a while. Glad he's got work keeping him busy.

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>no more archie
well this was a horrible thing to wake up to. :(

you guys holding up okay?
do you think they'll start to make comics without archie anytime soon?

>>183279567
We might possibly be getting an announcement sometime this weekend.

>>183279567
>Best case
They'll make an announcement at SDCC this weekend

>Likely case
We won't hear anything until later this year. November keeps getting floated around.

>Worst case
We get Archie Megamanned.

Why does it seem like only player characters drop all their rings when hit or just die if they have no rings, while NPCs have conventional HP, even if the NPC is playable in other parts of the game with a ring-drop mechanic, even if it's literally the same fight from different perspectives like Sonic/Shadow/Silver boss fights in Sonic 2006?

>>183279802
>>183280050
fair enough. let's all hope i guess

Can someone explain to me why adventurecucks fucking exist? Adventure 1 and 2 both have the same problems plaguing heroes and unleashed, that is a good portion of the game being unfun. Colors and Generations are outright better, with consistently fun gameplay. I just don't get it. Is it just people who really really hate boost?

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>>183280640
Combination of people who just want a game that expands on the fun parts of the Adventure games, and people who simply like what you don't like.

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>>183280640
It's a matter of opinion anon, also mixed with nostalgia to an extent. Despite the glaring problems in the Dreamcast era such as the iffy camera and occasional bugs I still prefer it to the Boost games (even if the Boost games don't have as many problems). I like how it feels to run around as Sonic, I like the explorative hub worlds, I like the tone, I like the intertwining stories and I like the variety of styles (except Big). Again, there are glaring problems but where it puts off most people some people look past it and enjoy some other things the game offers.

There's been a misunderstanding, but i doubt they'll listen to us.

>>183279567

Been pretty depressed since the announcement. Like any expected death, the numbness is leaving quickly, but it still hit hard. I want to look forward to the games coming out, but I know that everyone outside of sonic is going to be incredibly one note.

The Boost is functionally flawed.

>>183281038
Lotta small fries feeling hungry today.