Dueling Network General - /dng/

Reminder that final countdown doesn't deserve to be at 1 when most matches don't even last 6 turns

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>>182775731
why did this have to go to 1? playing paleofrogs feels so boring now

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One Day of Peace to 3

>>182775986
Because it's SoJ tier

>>182776015
I barely play Magic and comparing ODOP to Time Walk still makes me want to find this nigga in person and slap him across the face.

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*thinking emoji*

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>>182776015
print when
if time walk is allowed at 1, then at least this lesser time walk should be allowed at 3, right?

>>182776015
>>182776626
why are you bringing these up?

>>182776626
Just your daily reminder to not give credence to anything that comes out of this General

>Running this fucker just to get max value from ties of brethren in magibullets
>tfw her eff goes off constantly

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>>182779901

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daily reminder that the ocg has it better when it comes to packs and prices even if rarity bumps didn't exist

>packs and boosters are cheaper because there are 4 worthless commons in each pack instead of the usual 7-8
>highest rarity is ultra

>>182780802
>highest rarity is Ultra
Nigga main series sets in the OCG still have Secrets, Ultis and Ghosts.

why didn't anyone tell me how good Giant Rex is

>>182782593
I may be wrong, but I think Secret, Ghosts, and Ultis are "alternative rarities" of other cards already in the pack instead of higher tiers of rarity used to make the good cards hard to get.

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>>182775510
why'd they stop making world championship games 6 years ago? As barebones as they were I spent a LOT of time on them and their number of entries suggests they were commercially succesful.

>>182783545
You could be correct. And by that I mean I believe you are and I just forgot these things, I'm tired af

>>182780073
Bruh I also teched this in just last night

Are you me?

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>>182783612
>barebones
2011 Had alot of content, cards and character customization

A satisfying farewell to the series

>>182784849
Isn't that the one that's horrendously buggy and broken with a lot of cards not doing what they're supposed to as well as loading times every turn and shit?

>>182784960
Don't recall any of those issues. I know certain cards were missing but I played that game to death.

>>182785151
>>182784960
jesus.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_5D%27s_World_Championship_2011:_Over_the_Nexus#Bugs

>>182784849
>3 Special Cards
>Necro Fleur, Chevalier de Fleur, and Sorciere de Fleur

gee thanks konami, i always wanted those

>>182784356
tbf there's nothing better to tech

Anyone play Cardfight or Buddyfight here?

>>182787048
No now fuck off.

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So are Spyrals actually gonna do anything or is the hype fake

>>182787048
look for pojo discord, everyone in there play them

>>182785365
That's like 5 card errors. Nothing to get buttblasted about.

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Xth for Blaster ;(

which card has the scariest artwork?

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>>182788241

>>182787353
It'll be a solid threat, if Zoo and TD truly die in the TCG, but I doubt it'll be Tier 1.

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>>182784849
I remember playing some Forbidden Memories hacks that completely changed every card in the game as well as most npcs in story mode, was fun finding all the new fusions, including fiend-types being useful for once.

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>>182788241

>>182782593
>>182783690

ultra is the highest rarity, everything else is just an alternate rarity like ultimate rare. koa is fucking over the tcg playerbase with arbitrary higher prices

>>182787353

Rogue deck that shitters will play because they live in magical christmas land

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>>182788241

>>182787353
SPYRALs are fucking crazy now. Drone and Agent goes +3 into full board set up.

>>182789705
Whats the lore behind Card of Demise?

>>182785452
>tfw Chevalier would have been good if it was SS2

>>182787048
The only tcgs I know are this and Duel Masters. Doesn't seem like there's many ways to get into those two you're talking about.

>>182787353
Rogue that'll piss people off tier at best

>SPYRAL and Subterror failed so hard that the OCG got fed up and made new support for them
>KoA is building up even more suspense for F.A. than they did for SPYRAL
If F.A. ends up being bad, KoA is gonna look completely retarded

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Why are you still fat, /dng/? Hoban isn't.

>>182791470
Hoban looks like Skrillex lite.

Its an improvement but not by much.

>>182791470
Shut up Hoban

>>182791470
But I'm not, I'm skele tier weight

>>182793352
Why are you still skele? Hoban isn't

>>182789705
the artwork is still shit

>>182793481
Cause I'm not eating enough food to put on 20kg, plus there's no way that can be good for you

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>>182788241

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>>182788241

>>182791470
He still looks fat as shit.

Links update when??????????

>>182791470
But im /fit/

My locals are 1/3 fat neckbeards 1/3 /fit/ or just skinnyfat dudebros

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>>182795279
Soon™
>tfw Links will be legal in TCG before Percy's crew finishes the Link update

>>182795279
It took percy 2 years to update pendulums properly because muh "We wanna only ship a good product"

>locals closing down because everyone decided to quit with the rule changes coming up
Fuck links, fuck VRAINS, fuck whoever made these changed, stupid shit game that can't even shill a new product correctly.

>>182796691
Get your locals to host a Classics League and have it be Master Rule 3.

>>182796691
>>182796969
fuck off grandpa, these things are 100 times better than pendulums and actually slowed the game down.

>>182796691
Sounds like a shit locals to begin with, faggot
>>182797229
>links better than Pendulums
Which one completely warped the game around itself right off the bat? Not Pendulums.

>>182797229
Says the person advocating something that is grandpa pandering and that failed to do what they were "supposed" to do.

Vrains ended and Konami needs to revert YGO to a neutral format again, alternatively they just come with official rules to people who don't want to play with link restrictions.

How the 6th monster zone works now? It can't be removed because that's the whole point of links pointing upward or downward.
Does it become generic to any monster? Does it become exclusive to link monsters, while also keeping the ED restriction only to link monsters?
Do dedicated pendulum zones come back?

>>182796969
We asked the shop owner that, he said he can't host OTS tournaments anymore if he does, and that he wouldn't be able to sell the new sets and starter deck.
>>182797471
More like Master Rule 4 is shit, faggot.
>>182797229
Nostalgiafags need to leave.

>>182796650
while everyone else has good pendulums and now the chinese pro have really good links. Fuck percy is retarded

>>182797692
Links will be strong enough at that point to warrant their own zone if anyone wants to use them, have the link monsters only summonable in that zone and its pointers.

>>182797692
>Konami needs to revert YGO to a neutral format again, alternatively they just come with official rules to people who don't want to play with link restrictions
Will never happen. Either they're going to ride the Link train and the new rules to their grave, or they will start making good shit and have success.

>>182798032
Except they put themselves in a corner. They can go ahead and ramp up the power, but then they won't be able to sell anything but Link monsters, and the game will stagnate again just because Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Pendulums are too awful

>>182791470
>56 kgs

>>182798383
>but then they won't be able to sell anything but Link monsters
So what?

>>182798383
>and the game will stagnate again just because Fusion/Synchro/Xyz/Pendulums are too awful
And? As long as the product still sells, that doesn't matter in the slightest.

>>182798802
links probably get powercreped in the future

>>182798032
They just make Vrains end soon and powercreep links with new type cards and rules like links never happened

will post link spyrals become firewall.dek like most of the combos are advertising? i really like the deck as it is pre links but if it became a firewall ftk deck i wouldn't like it nearly as much

>>182800510
Most combos I see that aren't FTKs don't really use Firewall, too many resources needed to get him out instead of just searching for your Sleeper plays + backups.

>>182799371
Just like everything else.

>>182799371
For now everyone will suck it up in TCG and will adapt to link or buy new product.

Remember when Synchros were gonna kill the game?
Remember when XYZ were gonna kill the game?
Remember when Pendulums were gonna kill the game?

>>182802007
No because I didn't start playing competitively until right before THSF dropped so Links are the first time I've really been around for a new mechanic.

>>182802007
Synchros saved the game from the Gx era you fucking retard. And Xyz ARE killing the game. Pepe shat out Xyz. Zoo shat out Xyz. Dragom Rulers shat out Xyz. You don't see a Synchro deck dominating the game like they did after Xyz got introduced. Pendulums did nothing but be used as a resource engine. If shit like CyDra infinity and Nyarla and Exciton and Shock Master and Drident and Broadbull not exist, those decks wouldn't be anywhere as bad.

>>182802279
Shut up Iron Core, no one wants to hear your blog about being a literal newfag.

>>182802542
>actually remembered the specific time I said I started playing
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>don't post with name
>still get recognized
REEEEEEE, and 2015 isn't newfag.

Is DM getting tournament tops in Link format? They were hyped a whle ago but I haven't heard anything since.

>>182802383
>Pendulums did nothing but be used as a resource engine
Because they are main deck monsters, you fucktard.
If xyz didn't exist then pendulum would just abuse fusion.
If fusion didn't exist then pendulum would just abuse synchro.

They are used as resourse simply because there's no reason to not do so. The only scenario where pendulums would not be used to xyz summon would be if pendulum monsters were so broken there wouldn't even be any point in using them to toolbox other monsters, and if you think that's ok then you're fucking retarded.

>>182802007
What are drop sales in Japan?

>>182797706

>he said he can't host OTS tournaments anymore if he does

What? Didn't you just say they were going to stop?

>>182802990
no dm is fucking awful

>>182802889
We don't need anymore pissposting from a social justice warrior, now stop derailing the thread.

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>>182802990

>If this face-up card leaves the field: Destroy all monsters you control.

>>182804043
>me
>SJW
Also fuck you my original reply was on topic.

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Tfw want to build Qliphorts IRL but links will beat them down even more than they have been already

>>182803779
That's a combination of Links and the new cards being shitty. Those products that had low sales were legacy packs that didn't really help their themes at all. Red-Eyes is even more confused and they're releasing extra deck cards for these themes ignoring that Links nerf them.

>>182803509
So what are you upset about in regards to pends?

>>182804116
Aren't you an advocate for LGTB equality?

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>>182804207
Build the true petdeck, kiddo

I still don't get what pendulums are lmao

Why do people think they need to revert MR4 to have petdecks be playable again?
What's stopping them from just printing main deck non-Link monsters with Link Markers?
Or just Continuous/Field Spells with Link Markers?
Or Synchro Monsters, Xyz Monsters, or Pendulum monsters with Link Markers?

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>>182802990
>DM
>Winning anything in ANY format
Kek

>>182805194
How do I play Goyo Defender

>>182805380
By having three empty zones that are pointed to by Link Markers?

>>182804659
>advocate
I don't scream shit from the rooftops like SJW trash. Only idiots spout that shit left and right like it's the most important thing in the world.

>>182805194
Have you ever seen spell cards that are xyz or synchros? The only one that's possible of those is link/insert other ED monster type, but I don't remember how popular those were with the pendulum ones.

>>182805451
>Once per turn, if all monsters you control are EARTH Warrior-type Synchro monsters

>>182805720
>Or just Continuous/Field Spells with Link Markers?
>Or Synchro Monsters, Xyz Monsters, or Pendulum monsters with Link Markers?

>>182805720
Use your opponent's link arrows, dumb dumb.

>>182805809
I concede that I am a fucking idiot

Why don't Konami just allow regular monsters to be pendulum summoned from the graveyard instead of nerffing pendulum?

>>182805925
>synchrocuck being dumb
Shocker

>>182806078
Because that would be more ridiculous than regular pends

Wanna ask about the difference between Mermail and Dark Angel stat increase
https://ygorganization.com/ocg-circuit-break-rulings/
>the effect of Mermail Abyssnereid activated from your hand is an effect that increases the ATK and DEF of the targeted WATER monster by the original ATK and DEF of the destroyed monster. you cannot destroy a monster with an original ATK and DEF of 0
>You can activate the effect of Dark Angel even if a Fairy-Type monster with 0 ATK is targeted for an attack
I'm confuse. Do they work differently?
> You can discard this card, then target 1 WATER monster you control;
> destroy 1 other WATER monster you control or in your hand, and if you do, the targeted monster gains ATK and DEF equal to the destroyed monster's original ATK and DEF until the end of this turn.
Dark Angel cost and eff
> You can Tribute that monster and send this card from your hand to the GY, then target 1 face-up monster you control;
> change the attack target to that monster you control, and if you do, it gains ATK equal to the original ATK of the Tributed Fairy monster

>>182806189
I wasn't the guy who brought up Goyo Defender at first, and fusion is my favourite, but nice try. I made a simple mistake mate.

>>182806367
Good one Eurocuck, we know how it is

>>182806510
Hi kid. ENjoying use of 'it' word?

>>182806078
Congratualations, you thought this idea through as much as Konami think their ideas through.

Ritual exclusive when?
I don't expect it to be good but come on I am getting impatient.

>>182806575
I don't know, are you?

>>182807214
probably after they release the 4 fa cards

>>182804242
In other words this time the meme makes a lot of more sense than his predecessors.

>>182791470
He wrote a book about how Donald Trump wouldn't ever be president.

I still have no idea how links work. Is it just like synchros but better?

>>182810763
Lmao, What's the book title?

>>182811047
https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Trump-Quack-Patrick-Hoban-ebook/dp/B016Z9JJQU/

>>182791470
>FUCK MY SHIT UP

>>182805380
I'm working on a Goyo/Gouki deck that's pretty fun, and more competitive than my previous Goyo build. Masked Chameleon is a one card Goyo Guardian, and Gouki The Great Ogre's link markers are perfect for defenders. Literally the first set of the Link era is giving you everything you need to abuse Goyo Guardian going forward: Missus Radiant and Goukis.

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>play against Dark Magician with ABC
>he scoops when he doesn't have enough LP to Solemn ABC Dragon Buster

Also are Spellbooks the new hottest meme thanks to Rudra? He was running that engine to draw more cards out but ASF turned the spells into bricks.

It's official. Spyrals are great.

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>>182811317
>Tyler David Poeon October 27, 2015
>Patrick Hoban has a bright future in politics.
>"The Art of the Quack" is deliberate, articulate and insightful. Many readers will enjoy and all will ask for more.

>>182811632
Just Rudra/Book of Secrets/Blue Boy. As an engine.

>>182802007
Remember when Pendulums were lynched as if they had killed the game, even though they never did?

>>182802007
Xyz did kill the game T.B.H.

>>182805194
>Link Markers
Link Markers aren't necessarily the only way to way to create EMZs.

I am almost certain that they will make non-Link cards that will create EMZs. But at the same time I have a really hard time seeing said cards having directional markers at all.

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>>182812046
>pendulum summoning triple Za Wurdo in one turn wasn't viable

>>182812839
Nice Magical Christmas Land.

>>182812292
>I am almost certain that they will make non-Link cards that will create EMZs.
Why?

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Where do you go from here?


Just sit on nat beast + turtle?

>>182813449
>playing a field spell as a monster
>putting monsters in the S/T zone
I'd probably go to a judge

>>182812129
K.Y.S.

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>>182812046
Blame the autistic screechers everywhere else about a board vomit mechanic.

Being about to summon multiple fodder for other summons was either gonna memeshit that goes nowhere due to playerbase paranoia or full retard that surpasses all other forms of degeneracy.

Seriously the first good Pend deck was xenophobic set 5 go feat recurring fodder. That's how much Konami had to restrain themselves early on.

>>182813926
Xyz did start getting incredibly stupid at Legacy of the Duelist, which ended up warping the design of everything else.

I blame rank 4 solving everything for nonsense like Dark Destroyer and Master Peace.

>>182814307
That and synchro goodstuff was hit hard by banlist.

>pendulums gets one good deck
>is killed literally within two days of release through an unscheduled banlist adjustment

>the actually strongest deck of the era
>has nothing to do with pendulums
>was and is left to thrive for format after format

Explain.

>>182814774
blame the cancer of the game
xyz

>>182814774
Konami accidentally printed too many PePe commons. The meta in that set was supposed to be Kozmo.

>>182813926
>K.Y.S (Karma Yawn Sounder)
>An archetype composed of attractive young and beautiful boys and girls with pillows
>The Main Monsters has the effect of search, SS, buff ATK/DEF and other related stuffs, and also share an effect that involves the following "If X condition is meeted, target 1 monster you control, that monster cannot attack until your next Standby Phase/has it's effects negated/ cannot activate its effects/insert another one"
>The most important one is both a Tuner and both a Ritual Spell and Polymerization into one monster itself, to Ritual Summon or Fusion Summon from Hand, Deck and/or Graveyard, but the materials are banished, also he can modify levels
>The Ritual punish your opponent when a monster activates an effect, by either banishing that monster facedown or taking 1000 damage, and can banish a monster withouh targetting, and ignore even the "Unaffected" monsters
>The Fusion prevent the opponent from activating card effects from hand, and you can look at your opponent hands by discarding yourself one card
>The Synchro literally does the same as Fusion, except on the field, and is a Denko Sekka for both Spell/Traps and Monsters
>The Xyz the same except is for GY, and your opponent must banish another card from the GY to activate an effect from the GY, and you can negate one effect per turn for free
>The Link let's you summon the three of them more easily, plus it can't be destroyed by battle once per turn. And cannot be targeted with effects.

>>182814774
This is actually the reason I stopped paying for cardboard. Not Links.
Links I don't think I mind. But seriously. Fuck Konami. Especially Konami of America.

why is trish still at one?

>>182815231
Dude, you can't have a legendary broken synchro at 2. There will be ways to abuse it, and at 1 he is still a big threat.

>>182815309
sure, but omega is at 3 and is far more easy to abuse and make. i doubt most decks would run more than 1 trish anyway

>>182815231
Like many things on the list for absolutely no reason.

>>182776717
This is actually a skillful combo card that's possibly a huge dead draw or completely OP. It has the possibility to rival soul charge that made T2 -3 decks like sylvan decks relevant.

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>>182815101
>>The Ritual punish your opponent when a monster activates an effect, by either banishing that monster facedown or taking 1000 damage, and can banish a monster withouh targetting, and ignore even the "Unaffected" monsters
>and ignore even the "Unaffected" monsters

>>182814307
I've said for a long time if Konami really wanted to slow the game down they would errata several R4NK materials. For example: Castel now requires two level 4 WIND monsters.


I think Castel in particular lead to a lot of nonsense like Dark Destroyer.

>>182815482
Omega is at 3 mainly because Dark Synchro wasn't as successful here as it was in the OCG and because we didn't had a banlist during septermber to march so we lived in a format of things being at full power for longer than they should, in fact Paleozoic, metalfoes, blue-eyes and DDD are still at full power right now but then zoodiacs happened.

>>182815231
PTSD

>>182815649
I think the real problem is that Konami keeps making the r4nk toolbox too easy to access in meta decks. If we didn't have shit like Zoo, ABC, etc rank 4s would barely be a problem

>>182815686
>Paleozoic
OCG side they have only 1 Toad
TCG, yeah they're at full power
>Metalfoes
While the deck has had no hits within the archetype or support, it still had Kirin banned so IDK if it counts
>blue-eyes
Powercreep's a bitch
>DDD
See above, OCG had no sense to semi-limit Slime and Lamia only to take them off 6 months later.

>>182815885
>TCG, yeah they're at full power
No not really, they only topped when grass was at 3 in TCG. Grass really helped a ton of decks even ones that didn't really splash zoo.

>>182815546
This man speaks the truth. Lots of cards are literally forgotten there. bestari took TEN YEARS to get unlimited, think about that

>>182816041
>No not really, they only topped when grass was at 3 in TCG.

They were topping before Grass in ABC format without grass.
Even if they had 3 Grass, Ghost Ash would just deal them the same fate she did Infernoids.

>>182816041
Will forever be happy that it got the hit it deserved

>>182816291
Just consider that if ghost ash gets banned (let's be honest, if Maxx C off all things got put to 1 because it was "everywhere", haru has her days counted), the lawnmowing will get started up again. Specially now that we might get Gandora Giga Rays in COTD

>>182816526

>(let's be honest, if Maxx C off all things got put to 1 because it was "everywhere", haru has her days counted),

Except Maxx "C" stopped making them money after those reprints so it served no more purpose to be at 3. Haru is still a secret rare and she'll be selling those MACR packs long after True Draco dies, just like her ugly sister sold SHVI after Blue-eyes died.

>Specially now that we might get Gandora Giga Rays in COTD

Take a look at how many times Gandora has topped over in Japan.
Gandora is a complete joke just like the rest of those anime anniversary cards.

>>182816816
>Except Maxx "C" stopped making them money after those reprints so it served no more purpose to be at 3. Haru is still a secret rare and she'll be selling those MACR packs long after True Draco dies, just like her ugly sister sold SHVI after Blue-eyes died.
And this is why I hate TCG and Tewart. The OCG has them reprinted a lot of times, with even a Secret one, yet it still at three, and no don't give me that "Nobody use it at 3" I don't give a shit.
Tewart you are a big son of a bitch and I hope you can just dissapear from this bussiness and either die poor or just work in a store of cheap and bad shoes. Same goes for Julia and his "Its good that I find this Brionac before the ban list" bullcrap

>>182816526
>>182816816
DESU it's a coin flip. Sometimes they hit a card directly after worlds, sometimes they just leave it alone even though it's stifling all the alternatives to other cards to sell end of year tins and hit it in January. I remember solemn strike for example, most people expected a hit after worlds since the pendulum counter trap got printed and grand horn etc etc, and konami never touched it not once. Instead they hit kaiser Colosseum because they couldn't decide on a ruling.

Why hasn't any other card game tried to copy Yugioh?
For some reason, every developer tries to copy the MtG formula. Hearthstone, Shadowverse, HOMM Duels, Naruto, the list goes on. It's always about mana as a resource, one or two cards played a turn maximum, and very little actual player interaction.

Where are the Yugioh clones?

>>182816526
>the lawnmowing will get started up again
Your delusion is funny

>>182817554
Well what stopped infernoids from topping in the OCG where they still have lawnmowing at 3 still?
Ghost ash, if anything happens to this bitch, they might come back.

>>182817273
>I remember solemn strike for example, most people expected a hit after worlds since the pendulum counter trap got printed and grand horn etc etc,

Funny enough, OCG finally put Strike at 2 last list.

What is even the sense now? That should have been done a year ago.

> and konami never touched it not once. Instead they hit kaiser Colosseum because they couldn't decide on a ruling.
This will forever burn people.
Kaiser is still at 3 over in Japan and people can figure out how it interacts with Kaijus/Monarchs(latter not even necessary since it has been dead for over a year) by simply asking somebody or taking out their phone.

But no, it gets banned over here.

>>182817547
>Where are the Yugioh clones?

Vanguard, Buddyfight etc.

Also, copyright is still a thing. Don't want to end up in jail.

>>182817724
>Vanguard, Buddyfight etc.
I meant in terms of game mechanics, not secondary garbage. Those play more like Pokemon than Yugioh.

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What the fuck were they thinking with the cyber angels?
Natasha is like good but why would they make her a level 5, need her own ritual spell that's fucking worse than Machine Angel Ritual?

Hell if anything, Cyber Angels are complerely shit except Benten, she is the only good one mainly because she just makes Herald.dek better, everything else just screams "we can otk guise, i swear" playstyle that dies to strike.

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>>182818736
>What the fuck were they thinking with the cyber angels?

They wanted to milk GX nostalgia.
But anyways, aside from their inconsistencies Blue-eyes and ABC caused everybody and their mom to side AoJ stuff so they were basically DoA.

It's really funny how much hype they had

>MUH TOP 32 AT A YCS
>MUH HERALD
>MUH NASATAYA

>>182818736
Dakini wasn't too bad with the 'send to grave' getting around shit like Dark Destroyer, access to R8 and recycling other angels/angel rituals at the EP but yeah the archetype as a whole was underwhelming.

>>182819039
>muh top 32 at a YCS
That shit is a cyber angel deck as much as PePe was a peformapal deck. It only abused Benten so herald had enough ammo to negate whatever the fuck the opponent tries to do

>>182818736
They forgot that the only reason Nekroz were good is because they all had discard effects, meaning you'd almost never brick by ritual archtype standards.
The Cyber Angels actually have extremely solid effects, but they only tackle half the problem ritual monsters face.

>>182819305
Just looking at Cyber Angels, there were a LOT of things they went wrong with their effects, Vishu is OTK central just by reading her effect but she dies to strike,

I just wish that Cyber Angels had ways to deal with backrow and better Rituals, Natasha should've been a level 4 and the same applies for Tutubon.

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What cards could i use to search for this guy or another 9 scale Qli?
And what are some cards that protect them in the pendulum zones?

>>182820065
This card can be searched by "Qliphort Disk", "Saqlifice", "Dogu", "Single Purchase", "Temple of the Kings", "Transmodify", "Painful Escape", "Broken Blocker", "Summoner's Art", "Princess Cologne", "Dragoons of Draconia", "Rescue Hamster", "Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon", "Odd-Eyes Raging Dragon", "Pendulum Rising", "Magical Abductor", "Luster Pendulum, the Dracoslayer", "Majester Paladin, the Ascending Dracoslayer", "Performapal Handsome Liger", "Dragon Dowser", "Frontline Observer", "BOXer", "Giant Rat", "UFOroid", "Machina Armored Unit", "Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon", "Dragoons of Draconia" and "Chaos-End Master".

>>182819039
i think if they wanted to push rituals again the base that angels gave us and the supporting cards released around that time can make another T1 ritual deck. it's no denying benten is amazing and ritual sanctuary is pretty damn sweet. It's just they aren't really good at supporting a deck's main monster role. They're basically synergy cards, just no right deck to abuse it currently.

>>182820065
how new

Summoner's Art searches Scout/Monolith, Saqlifice is all encompassing when it comes to qlis and if you want to meme it up with Monarch S/Ts then return of the monarch can search the 2400/1000 Qlis when you tribute summon one of them.

>>182804090
Why does everyone bully Eternal Soul?
There's gotta be worse pieces of support for the archetype, surely

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>>182820359
>Why does everyone bully Eternal Soul?
The draw back holds the deck by the balls too hard.
A single MST against a DM deck means you board wipe them, a single +0 for you could mean a -5 for the opponent.

>There's gotta be worse pieces of support for the archetype, surely
Shall we post them
I'll start with
>literally just Dark Magician after reading the Book of Secret Arts and watching Edward Scissorhands

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>>182820359
It's because DM has to actually play Eternal Soul to keep making plays, which is incredibly sad.

>>182820621
not direct dm support but still unforgettable

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>>182820359
Well obviously, but the difference is that people actually run Eternal Soul.

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>>182820621
Next we have
>prototype Dark Destroyer

>>182820783
>If you summon him on an empty board he literally has to kill himself
muh knight's honor

>>182820752
Always liked Dark Flare and >>182820783

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>>182820752
>DUDE, YUGI AND JOEY ARE BFF, LET'S FUSE THEIR ACE MONSTERS
>Should we fuse Red-eyes and Dark Magician then?
>NO, THAT'S STUPID, LET'S FUSE DARK MAGICIAN AND FLAME SWORDSMAN
>But sir, why would we fuse a fusion with a vanilla? Isn't that impractical?
>WHO CARES IT'S ANIME

>>182820359
It's because of Kaibafags. It'll be years before you stop hearing about ABC and when BEWD was good

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>>182820994
>If I were a Fusion like the other Time Wizard aged counterpart, Eye of Timaeus might have actually made me playable!

>>182821002
BEWD literally won worlds
>but worlds is a meme forma
won worlds

how many worlds has DM won?

>>182820994
Dark Magician and Flame Swordsman are Yugi and Joey's favorite cards respectively.
Summoned Skull and Red-Eyes are Yugi and Joey's ace cards respectively, which is why we got B Skull Dragon. Summoned Skull got forgotten pretty quickly, though.

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>>182820783
>prototype flare metal

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>literally only made as an upgrade to job to Blue-eyes Shining Dragon

>>182821137
>either you get a boardwipe or a 2800 beater which searches a spell.

This should have been really made a fusion. Time Wizard will burn your ass for 1500 at least if you fuck up the summoning.

>>182821373
>either you get a boardwipe or a 2800 beater which searches a spell.
Read it again.

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>When you make a 2016 xyz worse than a 2014 xyz.

Should have been made a Rank 8 CDI on Ebon.

>>182821137
Unfortunately this card can never be playable with an effect like that.

>>182821832
Searching literally any Spell is pretty good, what are you talking about?

>>182821447
Not him but what did he misunderstand? Either you call the coin toss right, and you special summon Dark Sage. Thus getting a 2800 beater and a spell search. Alternatively you can call the coin toss wrong, and your monsters are all destroyed by Time Wizard's eff.

>>182821956
I was speaking from Konami's point of view. What I meant was, "Unfortunately, Konami will never let this card be playable with that good of an effect."

>>182821686
all you they had to do is put "face-up spell/trap cards you control cannot be targeted or destroyed by card effects while this card is on the field", i mean what are you gonna even activate with his effect that you would rather keep in the hand, sure counter traps are better to keep in the hand but its not worth running this in the first place.

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And finally
>Kaz thought Yugi's deck was too much of a sausage fest so he made this fapbait

>>182821302
>Summoned Skull got forgotten pretty quickly, though.

He's been around, with Chess archfiends until he was finally fully adopted by Red-eyes.

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I honestly cannot figure out why this card was made, other than "muh light counterpart".

>>182822274
Forgotten in the anime, is what I mean.

Are we done with this autism yet, or?

>>182822019
>and your monsters are all destroyed by Time Wizard's eff.
and also burn yourself for no less than 1500 damage

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>>182821196
I'm all for Blue-eyes and all but let's be honest that BE has around as much shit support as DM does.

This one right here is a prime shining example

>>182822387
Yes.

>>182822291
This was a pretty good tech in the spell counter structure deck, just stall for battle. But then it got powercreeped by something else i forgot

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>>182822468
>Not posting THE example of garbage BEWD support

>>182821137
This isn't the absolute worst card. DM decks don't really NEED their normal summon if they open correctly. You could realistically tech 1-2 Time Wizard and a Dark Sage. Eternal Soul out a DM, normal Time Wizard, get a Raigeki and then search anything.

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>>182822582
This one hurts to look at, even today.


How do you possibly fuck up the fusion again when you had over 10 years to get it right?

>>182822531
>tfw wanted to make Hero Beat knockoff with Crusader of Endymion and Spell Counters
>just ends up becoming Fairy Tail Ties

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What the hell was this even supposed to be?

It's so out place with everything else.

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this fucking thing

>>182822757
It gets worse when you realize that it got released in the same year we got better fusions, Neo Ultimate wishes he was Chaos Giant or Leo Dancer because these two entering battle phase is a game over for the opponent (at least in Leo Dancer's case now cuz of armades you get off chick's effect), and i haven't got to Eidolon beasts and Frightfurs

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>>182822468
bad blue-eyes support is usually more modern and less retarded like dm support. now red-eyes on the other hand..

>>182822943
BE cosplaying as an Alien

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autism goes here

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>>182823016
>when they wanted to give Crow an out for Meklords he would never actually use since he would lose just to pass to Yusei

>>182823062
>bad blue-eyes support is usually more modern and less retarded like dm support.
It's hit or miss really.

But yeah, Red-eyes got screwed hard on support from that fusion spell to geminis to equips.

>>182822943
all these words for a card that would never see play.

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>>182823016
Trust me, BWs have worse support.

We could literally fill this entire thread for weeks with bad Blackwing, Performapal and HERO support

>>182823454
HERO is the archetype for consistently bad cards. They slaughtered GX packs. for every 1 good hero card 10 bad ones.

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>>182823615
Is there any HERO card worse than this?

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>>182823615
>They slaughtered GX packs. for every 1 good hero card 10 bad ones.

Shall we post them?
>>182823731
This and Spark Blaster come close

>>182823731
Bubble Shuffle?

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guy uses two cosmic cyclones on me in a row for the game and then tells me I should go and look for a better netdeck

enough

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So I saw you people were discussing bad HERO support.

>>182823731
>>182823786
>>182823819
None of those are HERO cards.

>>182823731
Neo-Bubbleman maybe.

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>>182824019
I've heard of literally unplayable like Guardian Elma but Jaden just upped the ante.

Like why Metamorphosis on Bubbleman of all the cards? Not even an exclusive proto Mask Change for this and just make the Neo HEROes a series

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>Ultimate Dragon gets Retrain
>Becomes a Ritual Monster
>This gets printed
>but can only use blues from hand or field

Good or nah?

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nice game yugicucks

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Found this while looking for more bad HERO support, why did they even print this card

>>182824182
In the anime there was a Neo-Clayman too, and both were fusions. No idea why only bubbleman got imported and as unplayable garbage

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>>182824286
WHERES THE LINKS

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>bad HERO cards
>no mention of this masterpiece
Now go look up Rose Bud, I dare you.

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>>182824479
your talking about this dude aintcha

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stop

>>182824286
Better than yours mtg cuck

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>>182824268
>ritual spell for a fusion monster
What is this meme?
But as long as it's Pre-prepable then yeah, you can search BEWD like nobody's business.

>>182824571
>Rose Bud
What was the manga even doing with the HERO before Masked?

They're still better than Neos

>>182823213
>Cyverse

>>182824750
My company doesn't consistently shit on it's consumer base and actually has competent judge programs and several formats instead of a disguised set rotation and rarity bumped cards.

>>182824001
And Eternal Soul isn't a DM card, that doesn't mean it isn't obvious what you're supposed to play it with.

>>182822943
Why is this a bad card for Blue-Eyes? Never played the deck, or any dragon based deck besides Odd-Eyes Magicians and Buster Blader. If those even count.

>>182824571
Can it not gain anymore attack if it's def hits 0? Cause if so that makes it even worse

>>182824771
Manga heroes were horrible gimmicks before Masked heroes, worst offender is Ocean's effect only triggering when umi is on the field

>>182824838
you gonna fill it or what?

>>182825001
Nice lies cuckold

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>when you want to go minus as hard as possible.

You also can't even summon level 5 or highers and you need to summon 2 or you can't summon at all.

>>182825063
The summoning condition.

>>>/a/
>>>/b/
>>>/literallyanywherebuthere/

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>>182825071
>worst offender is Ocean's effect only triggering when umi is on the field
Did Mako show up or something in the manga?

I also looked it up, Manga ocean is just a worse Manga Stratos.

He didn't even have this effect in the manga, he was buffed just like Stratos.

cease

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>>182825184
Did somebody say minus as hard as possible?

>>182825440
>Let's shittalk about shitty cards
>"cease"
Ok mr "i won't give u (you)'s", what should we talk about?

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Is there any final boss card worse than this?

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>go through the trouble of activating 4 barely searchable cards, only one of which is actually good
>get a single turn of vanilla beatdown
why

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>>182825542
Wasn't there a tiny window where people were hyped for this for stacking spells? I think I remember it

>How about we just remove your deck

Thank god this was never made

>>182825607
Literally anything, like why are anons shitposting about bad cards

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>>182825761
forgot pic

>still being a bitch over (you)s
fuck off waifufag
everyone already knows these are garbo
why go thru all of this

>>182825880
Cause there's nothing else to talk about. Meta's boring, new cards are shitty, why not talk about bad cards?

>>182826009
its all anime junk
why even try to think it would be any better

>>182826009
Because that's retarded and you need to kill yourself

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>>182825689
At least E call is a searcher, R is S/T removal, H is an attack boost and pierce and O is a monster reborn.

In the very same episode, we got this guy out of 3 situational S/T and all you get a Dark Magician which summon vanilla zombies

>tfw haven't gotten a (You) all day

>tfw you won't get one tonight either

>>182826104
How the fuck did he even summon that guy when R could just fuck up his sarcophagus?

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>>182825093
This wasn't even worth it only putting in 2% of the effort

Links really did ruin this place

>>182825880
Read the thread.
>anon asks why people bully Eternal Soul when Dark Magician has worse support
>anons post the worse support.
>it escalates from there

>>182825932
How is this supposed to be related to Cloudians at all?

>>182825063
>it's not a fucking Blue-Eyes
>it's Level 10
>can't be searched by Melody, Sage, or anything worth a damn
>built-in Summon requires it to specifically be Blue-Eyes when the Deck
>burn damage is realistically going to be unimpressive
>its nuke is easy to play around
>at best, it can copy Chaos Max' stats, but why the fuck are you also playing this meme card?
>IT'S NOT A FUCKING BLUE-EYES

That's why. It's not a terrible card, just one overshadowed by the other crap Blue-Eyes has.

>>182826295
Go away Iron Core of tripfagging.

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>>182826283
Believe it or not, he actually ran negation to stop R.

he lost anyways to HERO Flash as Jaden beat him down with all the HERO

>>182826330
Still retarded and you still need to kill yourself

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>>182823062
>not a Red-Eyes card
>only Level 7s only
>only dumps Level 7s
>despite those retarded conditions, STILL has a hard OPT

Potential my ass. 20 years later and Red-Eyes are STILL S H I T.

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>>182826414
>Iron Core
>Not a single K'oaki Mieru card in there
Nice try but no.

>>182826574
The card really shows how poorly planned Red-eyes are as a deck. It would've been an amazing draw card if the monsters were all or even mostly level 7, but nope they're all over the fucking place

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>>182826414
Nigga that ain't even me, I was gonna reply to him tho with mine but I got distracted by EVO.

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>>182826394
It should have been called Blue-eyes Deep White Dragon or have that text Dragon Spirit of White has to be in the archetype so she could search it out.

Why have a handtrap if you can't even search it?

>>182825542
If you consider the only way for your opponent to get rid of Dark Angel is with Synchro, irrelevant, or Xyz, and I'm sure 90% of the people won't have any R1 at all, it becomes a quite good card.
It's a Flying "C" for your opponent's spell.

Then Link comes and ruins it.
Fucking generic material.

>smash fag
dont ever try to you me again

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>that deck that was considered OP but isnt anymore

>>182825184
>minus as hard as possible
What are you talking about?
It's only a -1, not THAT bad in terms of minus.
Not on the level of Spiritual Dark/Light Art.

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>>182826751
>It would've been an amazing draw card if the monsters were all or even mostly level 7, but nope they're all over the fucking place

Just a reminder
>Red-eyes Black Dragon
>Red-eyes Black Flare Dragon
>Malefic Red-eyes Black Dragon
>Red-eyes Zombie Dragon
>Red-eyes Toon Dragon

These are your options and you would never run 2 of these dragons unironically. You need to run a Field Spell for Malefic, Flare is trash for being a Gemini and the vanilla's only use is for Slash Dragon.

Then the deck has two level 6 Geminis for the fusions and those Joey based cards for the equip gimmick.

If they wanted to copy Blue-eyes, they should have done a better job since the stones turn this card into a literal Pot of Greed while Red Stone is just a Destiny Draw with a foolish burial and an OPT attached to it.

>>182826881
>Batterymemes
>Morphtronics
>Arcana Force muh za warudo
Goddamit Iron

>>182827348
>considered OP
magnas was all they had and getting it out a bitch
towers would be a better example

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>>182827375

Why do they do this

>>182827348
Pic not related, obviously

>>182827507
Batterymen is my signature memedeck IRL, since I've never really played KM there.
Morphtronic Quasar is one of my favorite decks when I'm in a spam mood, press F.
I fucking LIVE to find more ways to get off The World Lock, I started playing that deck before I even knew what JoJo was you fuck,

>>182827348
Any deck which has been powercreeped.

>Gladiator Beasts
>Six Sams
>Inzektors
>Blackwings

>>182827570
>>182827623
must have only been my locals that everyone complained about the 6 people that ran the deck

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>>182826751
I want to rant about just how fucking retarded Konami has been with Red-Eyes, so I'll sum it up with:

>take a 2400 vanilla piece of shit
>and split it between burn, Vanilla, Gemini, Fusion, Ritual, Xyz, EQUIPS, and have it fail spectacularly at all 7
>limit the only good Red-Eyes member and go out of your way to exclude supporting it in all future support cards

Red-Eyes is practically the definition of worthless.

>>182827789
>6
Is your locals big or did they all just hop on the boat?

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>>182827671
Don't you talk to me like that, fagboi
I said. God dammit. Iron

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>>182827898
:3

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>>182827796
>Red-Eyes is practically the definition of worthless.

Sounds like all of his owners throughout the anime

>Rex Raptor, the Dinosaur guy everybody knows for being Weevil's life partner
>Atticus Rhodes has a worse W/L record than his sister, which everybody remembers for being the girl Jaden blew off when he married Yubel
>Joey Wheeler, the worst out of the big 3
>that kid from the Season 0 movie nobody remembers.

>>182827789
The deck is fragile as hell. Even with reasoning and e-tele at 3, it was never exceptionally consistent.

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>>182827889
Its decently sized cause the owners bought 2 stores worth of space for everyone, but i think it was just people hoping on it.

>>182827796
Is there even a deck that comes close to being this bad?

>still going on about this

>>182828198
>Is there even a deck that comes close to being this bad?
RE isn't really that bad since it can at least cheat out wins.

Worse decks would be things like Ice Barriers, Amazoness, Cyberdarks, Vehicroids etc.

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>>182827613
Summoning a banished monster is OP as fuck apparently.

I mean, if it needs your opponent to discard s/t to negates it, then at least it can fill a certain niche spot, but just revealing it is enough? Fuck you too Konami.

>>182828386
fucking Icebarriers man.

>>182828386
>Ice Barriers
Early DTerminal was a fun time wasn't it

>>182828386
>Amazoness
But their support is p alright, better than RE imo

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Crawler Sekrit Tek

Its kinda cool that marauding captain is slowly getting a half archetype

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>>182828640
>archetype

>>182828618
Desert Sunlight is better.

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>>182827796
>>and split it between burn, Vanilla, Gemini, Fusion, Ritual, Xyz, EQUIPS, and have it fail spectacularly at all 7

I'm willing to bet in the future Konami is going to give Red-eyes spirits, unions, flips, possibly a tuner if they're not keeping that Blue-eyes exclusive , gamble, pendulums, Links and everything else just to make the deck the ultimate bloatware of out the big three of DM since so far Dark Magician has the most support but Red-eyes is starting to catch up to it.

Then once again, it still doesn't work outside of stun since like HERO, it's too bloated to do anything else.

>>182828729
Whatever it is you wanna call it then, Hes not alone anymore is the point

>>182828813
Desert Sunlight is not continuous.

>>182828941
>continuous
Oh well ok then.

>>182828926
the medic is not a friend at all

>>182829051
I was talking more about marmiting captain and how he looks like him

>>182829502
cuz it is ya dip

>>182827671
>>182827507
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>>182826881

Stop avatarfagging Iron.

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Any other huge examples of powercreep?

>>182829649
Is it though, is it really?

i know it is, i meant that hes sort of got his own thing going on now instead of just being that one guy that hangs with gagagigo. Then again now hes just doing stuff with freed still

>>182830029
Mirror Force vs Every Other Mirror Force

>>182829912
no u

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>>182829912
it's not avatarfagging if you don't post pic

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>>182827796
Their fusions are okay. The newer one, Comet Dragon can float just by being removed from the monster card zone and goes well with the Gemini support. The only fusion I don't like is the Warrior+red-eye one because the gearfried rework is kind of gimmicky.

>>182830029

it's not powercreep if the card was useless in the first place

>being the crop'dfag too
how much of a cancer can one person be?

>>182830029
>go -1 to SS BE from hand
>go -2 so SS BE from hand
Where's the powercreep, again?