/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>182544225
First post will be about maggots crawling over my dick after fucking a female zombie (male) in crawl

the odl threa
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>>182544313
Anyways I was playing DCSS and a troll was attracte to my Big Barachian Cock. I shoved it in her stank ass troll pussy and fucked her into oblivion. She had the biggest orgasm and he pussy juice regenerated my health.

Now this dumb bitch follows me around begging for my cock and smashing shit for me haha.

Anyways though I fucked a zombie got maggots on my dick and now my troll gf is mad/sad and crying in the corner and I'm trying to consult her but she's throwing rocks.

The zombie got fucked to shreds I don't see why she cares.

Besides fucking a trap isn't cheating

>>182544514
Go fuck ijyb and take her wand of enslavement. Use that on your gf to upgrade her to concubine. If you have contracted flaming genitals you can go to lair.

What is happening?

>>182545383
Dungeon Crawl Sex Soup.
You'll have to ask Karl on the discord if you want a copy.

>>182545383
The autist is enjoying his summer vacation.

Did Felids lose their jump ability?
Didn't they have few enough options already?

Best melee race in DCSS?
Demonspawn with powered by death or pain sounded extremely good and unique, Trolls look also insane in melee.

In Cogmind, there are little robots that scurry around the level trying to pick up loot before you can get to it. Fighting enemies is almost never beneficial because you're more likely to lose a key component than gain one.

This might actually be the most obnoxious game I've ever played. If I had paid for it I'd be furious.

How dangerous is it to walk around with 3 int in Crawl? My only source of MR gives -5 int.

>>182548756
You could provide that as feedback and have a chance of improving the game.

>>182548756
Cogmind is bad and
>>182548924
the developer is bad.

There is no hope for that game.

>>182548924
Don't really feel like starting a fight on some circlejerk subreddit. I'll just play something else.

>>182548784
Not that dangerous at all anymore

>>182549297
What a surprise.

>>182549079
The developer seems like an okay guy. He's always giving tutorials and stuff. He did overprice the game though DESU.

>>182550784
gesundheit

>>182551053
What did he do wrong? I browsed his subreddit briefly last year for the tutorials.

As ded as my next mage.

>>182551729
He made his roguelike cost money, which diverts much needed NEETbux from my onahole fund.

How do I into felid?

Why is it a disproportionate amount of gloves seem to have *Corrosion in DCSS?
It like half of the white tier gloves that drop from Oka have it.

>>182548285
Depends on what you mean by "best".

Minotaurs are ridiculously versatile -- they can play basically any class and do well simply because of their melee apts and strong auxiliary attack.

>Elf that moves faster than I can run away and attacks at the speed of light has a weapon of distortion
Oh boy can't wait to get ABYSSED for the FOURTH TI- oh whoops
SURE DO LOVE THAT ABYSS

>>182561756
>getting buttblasted for getting banished in Elf:3

badplayer

this is why you shouldn't do elf if you don't have many wins

it's also why you shouldn't do elf:3 if you don't know how to cheese them or just quickly beat the crap out of them

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>>182561756
you won't have to worry about the abyss ever again

>>182562085
I just beat elf so fuck you
>>182562192
I won't ever follow that faggy god who starts you out in abyss on principle.

>>182562353
You don't have to keep getting banished
You can be the one doing the banishing
Just join Lugonu, goy

>>182561668
As in "the best at dealing and resisting damage in melee", both in 1v1s AND skirmishes, the latter being more important.
It doesn't matter WHEN it becomes the best, but just the fact that in melee there'll be no best alternative.

What is the point of imprisoning something with Zin? It says it's made of silver, and some enemies are "Hated by zin and weak to silver"
Does that mean they'll be damaged inside the cell? Can I do this to pandamonium lords too?

>>182548756
Okay it turns out you can just kill the scavenger bots to get your stuff back and fighting is less painful when you know how repair stations work. This game is pretty neat actually.

>>182561756
>not enjoying the abyss
>not collecting items and gaining sweet sweet XP from enemies
Even my vamp Mage can survive abyss by the time I get to elf.

>>182563528
I don't like being reliant on RNG to determine whether I get fucked in the ass or not.
How do you survive in abyss? I've tried holeing up and that just gets me overwhelmed eventually.
I've just just running and my luck is shit so I never find the exit.
I've tried killing things as I run and that seems to work best but I still eventually get overwhelmed.

>>182563662
Usually it doesn't take long to find an exit. Just keep walking around, as far as enemies go use escape items.

>>182563662
Go deeper, it makes exits more frequent.

>>182563157
You can imprison a dangerous monster and run away, or imprison something like a Tormentor so you can deal with it last. "Weak to silver" just means it takes extra damage from silver-branded weapons.

>>182563662

>How do you survive in abyss?

Stealth and careful movement. I've got a 91% survival rate after being abyssed, but when I was a wee noob I died almost instantly after getting sent there. Never autoexplore.

>>182562353
girls can't be gay

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So this is good yeah? I have been using swords and stuff. It seems non random, which is cool

>>182564493
shut up fag

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One day I may.

>>182564583
Its ok, its a cutlass after all

>>182525141
>You talk about that like it came out years ago.

Well, it was released in something like February, and if you're not going for 100% it takes ~20 hours to clear your first blind run. I think it was also on sale last month for <10 USD? Most people who were going to play it probably already have. The internet's attention span is pretty short, amigo.

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>>182564583
what
WHAT
WHAT THE FUCK

>>182567795
AROUND ALLIGATOR SNAPPING TURTLES
NEVER SIT AT 20% HP

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>>182567887
>>182567913
I fought a fuckton of poison enemies, i was full then suddenly 20% in a single attack because I was "blown away into the water elemental" which was bullshit, So I sanctuary and regen some hp, still barely kill them. I try to heal and i'm like whatever a turtle
So I fucking try to walk away
AND IT'S NECK IS LONGER THAN A FUCKING SPEAR APPARENTLY
I even examined him, like oh whatever it's dangerous, I can run away because im not in water, but

>>182568228
>AND IT'S NECK IS LONGER THAN A FUCKING SPEAR APPARENTLY
ha HA

welcome to Crawl

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>>182568228
yeah man, snapping turtles and alligator snapping turtles have reaching attacks

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>>182568315
>>182568449
>>182568526
I've been trying my hardest to win and I just can't. It's upsetting but I keep fucking it up. It's always some weird random shit that kills me, it's never like oh you got overwhelmed, it's like no you fucking refuse to hit the enemy and die in a 1v1 you cant run away from (see orb of fire, tfw because i killed like 3 but that one raped me for some reason). I get most of my deaths are my fault but it's like WHAT THE FUCK WHY WOULD YOU MAKE A TURTLE HAVE A NECK LIKE A SPEAR, THAT MAKES NO SENSE. I genuinely don't know what to play or what to do to beat this game

>>182568228
Well you're a lot better at the game than when I was new.

>not wearing an amulet of life saving

>tfw dependent on oka as god on melee characters because luck is terrible
Is it even viable to survive training just fighting until you find a weapon then specialize afterwards?

>>182550784
That's the impression I got. He's a nice and helpful guy, with a lot of theoretical knowledge, and he's good at communication and product polish. But he makes absolutely retarded gameplay decisions and can't price his own game to save his life, so in the end Cogmind is an overpriced piece of garbage. Which is a shame. It could have been good.

>>182568670
Well, there are two lessons to learn:
1) If you can look up information (in-game, at least), then do it. The information at >>182568449 is available from examining an alligator snapping turtle.

2) It's occasionally not a bad idea to pay attention to message spam. You can literally see in your image >>182567795 that it says, "The alligator snapping turtle bites you from afar!!" (and the two exclamation points means it did quite a bit of damage; in fact, arguably the biggest lesson would be learning who's dealing the most damage to you and figuring out why)

>>182568670
>Crawl devs claim it's a straightforward game because they remove everything
>meanwhile this happens to noobs

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>>182568670
>no merfolk runs

found your problem.

>>182569630
I did look it up, but usually the amount of damage it does wasn't that important, so I instead look at its resistances and it's "Danger level".

Yes, I did basically tap 1 and 4 a few times to walk away, and that's what killed me. But I thought I could bloody walk away from a slow ass turtle. Yes, I could play the game veerrrryyy slowly, but that usually isn't all that fun or rewarding, and only makes dying feel even worse, so I try to go at a mid pace, not rapid tapping but not too slow either. I THOUGHT I could walk, so I did without thinking, assuming he couldn't

>>182570645
Are they good?

>>182570726
They have +4 polearms, so you hit mindelay by lair 1, they can reach a tile, so you always get at least one turn to swing before your enemy could ever hit you. They can swim in deep and shallow water, and when they do, they're fast as spriggans, and have increased dodge. you can literally sit in deep water two tiles away from big bads and just poke them until they die. Yeah, they're p good.

>>182569254
Yermak actually did this quite a bit during the 0.20 tournament. I thought it was idiotic at first, but I guess the increase to HP and slight melee bonus was useful.

Alright. I'm looking to play a real roguelike since the closest I have played is elona+ and dwarf fort adventure mode with tiles.

I see Cataclysm DDA listed under open world roguelikes with elona+ inferno in the what to play pastebin, should I start there or go to a more beginner centric roguelike?

>>182570726
Sometimes, information that usually isn't important is actually important. If you knew this you'd be able to afford a real computer and you wouldn't have to play roguelike games.

>>182571637
I have a pretty good computer now, I just really want to beat crawl.

>>182571461
Jump straight in to whatever it is that appeals to you. There's nothing about roguelikes that's so complex that you'd need to start out with a training wheels game so long as you understand the basic concept, which you do. Also wikis exist for serious trouble spots.

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>>182571461
>CDDA
>real roguelike

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we sanic now

(I'm MiBe so this is perfect)

>>182573227
1learndb add

>demonspawn
>have boots of running
>get boots of flying for shoals
>feet turn into hooves
NO

>a shitposter comes into view

>>182574065
in my fork the demonspawn hooves mutation will give you water walking

>>182574078
>The shitposter reees!
>You hear a shout! (x32)

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I think Im going to die, but maybe not, I have faith in the RNG

>>182571968

Shut up frogposter

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>>182571019
>try a merfolk for the first time >Try okawaru for the first time aswell
oh my goodness gracious everything is dying

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>>182575463
I will sacrifice a chicken to RNGesus tomorrow

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>>182575548

>>182575798
Ah yes, the classic 1 Strength battleaxe user.

>>182575989
But it's shiny and hurts orcs, wish it was something ofc

>>182568670
lrn 2 read

do you think dowan and duwessa

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what do

>>182577530
>cast conjure flame
>enemy stops in front of it
>cast poison vapor
>they walk into the fire
>hit them while they stand in a cloud of flame like a double minotaur

>>182577758
advanced strats, huh

conjure flame it is

>>182577758
>>182577964
please stop discussing secret techs

the devs are always listening

>>182578451
g-gomen

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what the fuck hahahahah

>>182559969
just berserk and play them like any braindead melee class

>>182578526
>Going Fast
What a name.

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>>182577758
indeed it works

>>182559969
FeCj of Vehumet

1. Fulminant prism everything.
2. Try to survive long enough to get invisibility.
3. That's it.

>>182575892

Don't listen to that faggot, bee the best frogposter you can bee : ^ )

>>182571461
Stay away from CDDA and DCSS. Both are cancer. Just don't get near them.
Play whatever else you want. Want some fantasy? Sil. Want to shoot Demons and beat them up? DoomRL. Want to be the demons? Demon. Want to confront Lovecraftian horrors and die before getting past depth 2? Infra Arcana. Shoot up technobarbbarian mutants and shit? Caves of Qud.
And whatever else, as long as not CDDA and DCSS.

>>182579358
How much of either have you played?

>>182579358
>Both are cancer

Your mom's cancer, CDDA is great

>>182575752
You've never used Oka before? Well, this should be an easy win for you, then. Even though Trog has some ridiculous abilities (early game Berserk = free ticket to Lair), Oka is still arguably the best melee god, simply because his abilities are good for the entire game and armor gifts are often quite nice.

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>>182568670
turtles have long neck

>>182580016
thank

>>182579639
I don't know, but enough.
To be fair to CDDA, it actually is quite good for autism and wasting time in muh open world gameplay. Sandbox is a big meme though at the end of the day.
And to be fair to DCSS, it used to be better, so maybe if he plays like 100 versions ago.

>>182580270
What happened to DCSS? All I remember is that it used to be more interesting but I can't quite remember what was removed. At this point nothing interesting is being added though (frog people are fun though).

>>182580942
The game is boring because whenever you get a character rolling its either a free win or you get randomly abyssed by chance (you cant do anything against this) and die
This is just a shitty mechanism to keep the win rates lower to not make the game seem casual

Are higher level spells more accurate or something in DCSS?
I'll miss all of the cheap low level spells, but spamming higher level spells seems to be more consistent

>>182581327
Accuracy scales with spellpower, so that's usually the reason why they're more accurate.

>DCSS
>all those retarded removals and nerfs hidden all around the patch history like nemelex's gift timer getting fucked in the ass in some version before the xp system rework
>it would take a true DCSS expert to even remember everything that needs to be reverted if you wanted to make a dungeon crawl fun allowed fork

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>>182546721
yes

>>182581309
>you get randomly abyssed by chance
Heehehehehehe

EMBRACE LUGONU NOW AND NEVER BE SCARED ABOUT THE ABYSS AGAIN

>>182581487
You could just base it off a version that was good and then add any good new things that were added later though, no?

>>182583370

Yes, that's called "forking" the project. But it requires someone to actually do so, rather than just bitch on a Guatemalan finger puppet mailing list. So it's not gonna happen.

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JUSTICE FOR WIGLAF
KILL THE DEVS

>>182563157
No the silver there is just flavortext.

Enemies who are weak to silver take bonus damage from silver arrows (might be removed), silver stars' spells (probably removed), and the unrand lajatang of order (not yet removed).

The main point of imprison is that it puts a big wall between you and a badguy so he cannot see you, torment you, summon greater demons at you, etc.

Any RL devs here? I've worked on a few Game Maker games before and I want to make a roguelike.
I figured I could learn Python 2 and follow the Roguebasin tutorial.
But apparently there's a new version of that tutorial for Python 3 being worked on.

Should I follow the WIP tutorial and learn Python 3, or stick with the completed tutorial using Python 2?

And is learnpythonthehardway also a good resource for Python 3? (Assuming it's any good for Python 2...)

>>182583689
I actually downloaded the source and made a few edits to Crawl but started feeling like I was wasting my time. Might as well just develop my own roguelike, and I actually did, but then I got a job and I do neither anymore.

>>182584024
TERPHISCORE SHOULD HAVE MADE IT INTO THE GAME. INSTEAD SHE WAS ABORTED BEFORE HER LFE BEGAN REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

>>182571637
>tfw i own a real computer but i only use it for japanese animes and ascii roguelikes anyways

>>182584049
Silver javelins also (no such thing as silver arrows)

fun to note that practically every evil enemy has the weak to silver descriptor, though, considering the sheer rarity of silver items (and ironically the sheer availability of gold)

>Archangels of zin wield holy-wrath branded weapons instead of silver-branded weapons
W H Y

>>182584278
For beginner stuff, 3 is almost the same as 2 except for a few little things.

>And is learnpythonthehardway also a good resource for Python 3?
No.
Can recommend Dive Into Python though.

>>182563157
>>182584049
>>182584667
Besides lajatang of order and silver javelins, the only use of "vulnerable to silver" is for Zinnites who want to know what type of Recitation damage they'll do those kinds of enemies.

Silver-vulnerable monsters get hurt quite a bit more than demons with Recite, from what I've seen.

>Have to play roguelikes because the average game this gen is 50GB and my dl speed is 180kbps on a good day

>>182587947
Where do you live?

>buying a gaming pc and then waste its power to play roguelikes

>>182588217
Bumblefuck nowhere South Carolina.

>>182587947
>180kbps on a good day
just fuck my shit up

>>182588273
wew I didn't know having internet this shit was possible in Burgeristan

>>182588538
It will get worse when le obamacare for internet finally dies and (((companies))) get to dictate everything.

>>182587947
Buy discs so you don't have to download shit. Except every modern game requires an internet connection constantly on while you run through six different frontends which download 7gb updates every week and dont let you play until they're done.

>>182588875
I was about to pick up Doom until I learned it had 500TB worth of updates for multiplayer when no one played it.

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WH@TS GOOD NIKKA????????????

>>182589259
I hope the devs merge my dumb manticore vault.

>>182587947
grandma, you have to upgrade from aol sometime this century....

>>182589051

>Get doom WADs

>install one of many free Doom variants like ChocolateDoom

>play online

>no stupid updates

It's great, anon.

Hm, I forgot what are Miruvor potions, is it milky white ones?

>>182590112
But hardly anyone's on Zandronum outside MM8BDM

>>182591264
>Zandronum

>>182587947
buy cds in the mail

>>182590284
clear IIRC

hi doesnt

Which mutation types in DDA are fun?

>>182595275
Chimera and burd
Chimera makes you mutate all the time which is fun, bird makes you go fast
The problem is, they are both weak because the strongest ones are boring: medical, elf and alpha let you keep the armor.

i heard spider was good+fun

>>182593296
Yeah thanks I remember now

>>182595275
Slime is fun, you become super intelligent and have tentacles for hentai RP

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RIP. Didnt spot a web and with my 1 str had to use my 3 healing pots to survive and get out, then I was blind and chased by the shadow spider and some thing was also breathing frost on me.

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>>182596553
I was hoping I was still in a corridor but no luck even I regained my sight, bye little edain

Why don't the devs remove Human?
No one plays it, it's just bloat.

>>182595856
I had a slime serum from a lab, gave me fast metabolism, poison resistant and robust genetics.

10/10 would slime again

>>182599280
Humans also featured very heavily in Tolkien

So.. What's the flavor of the month?
I've been away for some time.

>>182601027
It's a flavorless month, so DCSS.

Okay this is starting to fucking piss me off. Do enemies stop dropping food chunks when you're hungry/starving?

Is prospector any good?
Heard it just started updating again.

>>182601326
it's a 50% chance in crawl for any enemy that can drop a corpse to drop its corpse

so no, it just seems like it

are artificers viable? I want a Link like character
which god should I pick?

>inb4 even mummo is viable

>>182601541
Pakellas

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>>182601649
I thought about him but wiki says it was removed

>>182601816
Everyone knows not to listen to the wiki, anon

The only roguelike ive ever played is DCSS. Will I like one way heroics?

>Scarf of cloud immunity + freezing cloud
Holy moly this is broken

>>182607218
>freezing cloud
Holy moly this is broken too

>>182604895

it's really different (obviously) but the push to constantly move makes for tense sessions

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Hot.

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friendly reminder that arelgee is dead and permanently on page 10 :(

>>182611452
faggot

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>>182612640
why

>>182613137
Your posts are dumb and gay. That's why.

>>182613137
You post anime.
Everyone who posts anime is a faggot.

>>182613532
>complaining about japanese culture on 4-chan-

>>182613864
>hurf durf how can I be a faggot on a faggot website

>>182613958
I'm glad you understand
Remember to sage, anon. Oh wait that's weebshit too

Can I design my own DCSS sprites?

>>182617959
Yes! In fact, you don't even have to recompile the game if you change the spritesheet (I think that's important to mention because I already know you're too stupid to compile DCSS).

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golly, -1 strength AND "attracts demons"
thanks buddy, this ring will really help out

>>182618087
I tried to compile once and it was the worst experience I had on a computer in years

>>182619254

One time, I tried Marijuana at a party and I blacked out for like three weeks. I think I killed a guy.

Could anybody answer me this? I recall materials in Elona + being easy to gather but, i can't seem to find any generators or particular items.

Do material spots in higher level dungeon yield rarer materials? Does the necesary skill do anything? How does it work?

>>182621808
There is a skill associated with each material-gathering spot. Slam the spacebar until you gather all of the materials.

>>182622520
I know there is a skill associated with each one gathering spot, but are some materials just plain rare to get? I recall having an easy time getting scrolls of change material, but now i haven't even found 1 generator in many hours of gameplay.

daily reminder 1 extra item slot > 99% of mutations

>>182624168
Some materials are just plain rarer and since it is random what you get you just gotta hope.

I will say it's better since adding dungeons go into fever. Ever non 3rd month there is a chance your clock will catch on fire. All dungeons basically quadruple resource spots, auto identify all items that are originally spawned on the floor, but the enemy difficulty stays the same.

>>182626232
>seriously thinking about strategy in a game that's routinely won by bots

>>182626603
Poschengband has never been won by bots.

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What a shitty race, complete bore after the overpowered early- and mid game. I hope it doesn't survive trunk testing.

>hand crossbows + shields
y ( )
n ( )

>>182626662
poschengband doesn't have slot-loss mutations
except the dragon metamorphosis one

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Whew. Finally. A none-Crown win. Also my first win in a game with the changes to movement and whatever. I'm still getting used to it, even though I don't like it that much so far.

>>182628420
That doesn't matter:
"1 extra item slot > 99% of mutations"
Is inarguably true in PosChengband.

>>182628910
What RL is that?

>>182629102
Nomed backwards.

>>182629102
SpongebobRL

>>182628974
Yeah fair enough.

PCB does have mutations that are effectively give you +1 (inventory) slot though, like the mutations you can activate for mapping or teleportation

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>>182554479
>>182611452
>>182613532

>>182630865
Reminder that kitsune deserve to be banished.

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>>182631785

>>182632574
Love these barikios edits though, keep it up.

>>182619102
Attracts demons isn't actually that bad in the super early depths. Look at the item's full desc, you probably will be able to uncurse the demons part, but the -1 str is forever.

It's actually not that bad! No combat ring, but see invis and 4 sustains, including all the body stats.

>>182632948
They are quite good, indeed.

It's interesting though that most generals I visit struggle with this sort of existential crisis.

>>182634437
sustains are okay but they're useless in earlygame and by the time they start being relevant you'll have much better rings

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>>182632948

>>182634965
>pure_concentrated_pain.jpg
;_;

What to do in elona around clvl 30?
My ass is being handled over to me by dlvl29+, managing and repairing inventory of my companions is cumbersome (I feel like I need spreadsheet to not forget what they are wearing ).

Getting better loot is hard - shops barely have it, investing there wastes all my money.
What should I focus on? Investing heavily in single shop?
Training stats? (they about 40)

>>182637283
farm vegetables until you have enough platinum to buy every skill
i'm not sure what the step after that is but the endgame is shoving your and your pets' faces full of herbed herbs 24/7

>>182601160
I can't remember the last FoM roguelike. When was it?

>>182562868
Spriggans. They have a great built-in damage resistance ability called fast.

But seriously, being able to reposition faster than the mobs can is very strong in crawl, offensively or defensively.

>>182635000
checked

>>182637826
it was probably cdda some time before the dcss 0.20 tournament

>>182626747
>something shitty not making it into DCSS
kek

>>182638631
yeah, even rods made it into DCSS and they were totally shitty

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>>182575798
>tfw you slam the door behind you on a room heaving with violet worms after getting stuck in a distended spider web, trapped in a corner with 2 worms helping the spider crit you over and over.

Today was a good day to try a Will build.

>>182626747
is this the one with the -6 apts or the one with +3 all apts but permanent 5 in every stat

>>182637938
*teleports behind you*

>fire shotgun repeatedly at giant mantis at point blank range
>miss almost all
Size really should be giving positive modifiers to your to-hit value tbqh

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>It was a scroll of acquirement!
>What would you like to acquire?
>Something appears at your feet!
>....you finish putting on your +1 hat

>>182640241
I don't think I've ever missed a shotgun shot at point blank even on noskill characters. Is this the ranged weapon fuckup I've been hearing about?

>>182640321
AAA - Always Aquire Armor

>>182640627
It was IA, not CDDA.

Also
>be burning
>I cannot use firearm while burning! (but I can attack using melee for some reason)
>I cannot read scrolls while burning!
>I cannot use Strange Device while burning!
This is dumb. I got corridor raped by a fire hound that appeared out of nowhere (level spawn) and magically knew exactly where I was and sniped me from the other end of the corridor on one side, and a mass of Deep Ones that, despite activating the blindness trap like I did, managed to follow me with pinpoint accuracy anyway on the other side. Fire tends to cause guaranteed loss in this game due to the MASSIVE health loss it inflicts, and that's not very fine since there's nothing you can do if you don't have the correct potion.

is there any way to get past a translucent wall other than LRD?

>>182643275
Teleprot

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W E W
E
W

>>182647015
Can you play IA without tiles?

>>182647584
I think so, it should let you choose in the options menu IIRC. But why would you? It has the best tiles ever.

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>>182647652
>It has the best tiles ever.

>>182647864
It's true

>>182544225
How do I kick my DCSS addiction? It's such a shitty game at this point but it's so easy to play.

Have any new roguelikes came out recently? CDDA is the last one that really impressed me, even though its bloated as fuck and has tons of little balance problems.

>>182648015
I like them too

>>182648668
Play a good older game?

>play a non-smith
>forges are a nice empty room with a piece of nice loot
>play a smith
>forges are swarming with shit and there's a wolf crap on the floor

The consistency is beginning to annoy, and I'm not talking about the wolf crap.

>>182650861
Actually I take it back, I just found a starter forge with bats and a +2 robe of stealth on a stealth/smith.

in Cataclysm DDA is there a way to put a bike or shopping cart inside another vehicle or would I have to dissasemble and reassemble em each time

>>182654556

Folding bikes and carts can be stowed inside a vehicle. They're not too hard to craft once you have a metal-working setup.

(Rolling a motorcycle up into a big rig's trailer will have to wait for a vehicle rewrite.)

>>182647015
>meleeing cthonians
Dumb?

>>182656058
>Frenzied
What's dumb is the game forcing you to attack a Colour that teleported behind you due to frenzy and then fucking die.

>>182656308
Why the hell are you frenzied?

Why the HELL are you FRENZIED!!!?

>>182656873
>>182659414
What preceded this scene with the ded Cthonian was a fight against a Wraith (made visible via potion) and an army of spiders he summoned, which ended up making me take a sanity hit. At least I learned that Mi-Go weapons are super effective against ghosts, I guess. Should have tried getting one shot off at the Colour as well.

>When you feel more like a powerful wizard in DCSS than in any rpg

>>182664917
Anon confirmed for a stale-minded dummy with 0 creativity.

>>182665370
>creativity
he's talking about rpg video games anon, not /tg/
nobody in arelgee has enough friends to /tg/

>>182664917
>when playing a spellcaster has been constantly nerfed through experience reduction ever since the inception of Crawl

The Devil's Team had better stop cutting floors soon, or DgWz might cease to be a viable combo

>>182667001
>cutting floors
>experience reduction
this doesn't happen though, except when D:16-27 was removed
when they shortened Lair and Orc recently they increased monster density so they'd be worth the same total xp

In Brogue, do runic weapons trigger when your attacks do no damage? (Stone guardian, mirror totem, revenant, Warden)

>>182666589
Joke's on you, I sometimes recycle Roguelike stuff I like into my campaign. A long time ago I was desperately trying to come up with ideas on the fly, and I had a drawbridge you could only open by playing a melody you could guess through a game of not!Mastermind.

Why don't they merge Nemelex and Pakellas into one evocations god?
Decks don't even exist in the main game anymore and are now purely tied to nemelex, which seems silly.

I like when gods have themes but dislike when those themes overlap. It diminishes the value that your decision ultimately has between them. agood example is Trog / Oka / Gozag. It kind of makes sense to think of Trog as the god of weapon skill, Oka the god of fighting skill, and Gozag the god monies and swag items, But Oka is in this weird halfway position between Trog and Gozag where your combat abilities aren't as powerful as Trog and your equipment isn't as good as Gozag, but you have a little of both.

Nemelex / Pakellas is worse. You have two gods of evocations but one is wands (which aren't nearly as good as they used to be) and one is decks (which don't exist outside of nemelex which means it's a headache to balance).

Give us one god of evocations. Random evocable gifts, maybe an ability to instantly recharge a phial/lamp/fan, the same mana-minigame that pakellas had, maybe an ability to instantly use an evocable ala delayed fireball? Could also gift the player and "evocable artefact" that has random good evocable effects (with a bunch of effects specific to this god, like summons or status effects) that scales with piety but costs piety/mana to use.

What do I go for God-wise if I play a KoHu? Oka, Dith?

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interface screws ftw

>>182670430
but trog gifts weapons too? I always thought of him as the God of Weapons because you always get the antimagic exec axe which is one of the strongest weapons in the game i think

>>182670430
>decks (which don't exist outside of nemelex which means it's a headache to balance)
huh? Slouch doesn't exist outside of chei, Heroism doesn't exist outside of oka...

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Off topic, but I've been playing a real time roguelike lately. It's buggy as fuck and I've lost quite a few runs to them so far, but I'm still enjoying it. It has a few cool systems such as fire propagation and gases with different properties.

>>182674638
>>182674748
>>>/elsewhere/

>>182674638
If your post is by your own admission off topic then don't make it.

>Torment
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
You can use a scroll of fog to break LOS and avoid it, right?

>>182675252
yes, it's easily countered \s

Just consulted the pastebin.
Is there really no good roguelikes for Android besides Powder?

>>182676775

CDDA has an android port, though your definition of "good" may vary.

>>182676775
there are really no good mobile games, of any genre
the platform is too clogged up with meme microtransaction paytowin facebook garbage

>>182674217
Slouch and Heroism don't have 50 pages on the wiki explaining what the fuck they do, with different effects depending on the tier of the deck. It's like having an enitr spell school locked behind a god.

I would say TSO is the only other god that can grant you a physical gift that will never appear the dungeon (only because of how unlikely you are to find a Trishula/etc.)

>>182676775
Did you read the line in the pastebin that said something to the effect of "yes, this is really all there is". Because that line is there specifically to answer this question.

>>182676775
Pixel Dungeon is "good". It's not trash but it's not fantastic either.

>>182674638
What game?

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Yay for not knowing where anything is!

>>182674638
I like Unexplored, though I wouldn't quite qualify it as a roguelike since it's not turn base.

>>182666589
Speak for yourself...... kid............

>>182676775
I can basically second what >>182680808 said. I only played and won Shattered Pixel Dungeons, though it's very similar to the regular PD. It's pretty damn good on technical aspects; on a gameplay aspect it's ultra item-dependent and the difficulty is very uneven between runs.

>>182677118
There used to be great games on mobile back in ye olde java era. Even the devs of Angry Keks actually used to make action, stealth action and horror games before they went fullretard. What a shame.

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As recent as my other victory was, this isn't a streak. At least not yet.

>>182666589
Even in terms of video games, DCSS is really generic and flavorless. A high-level wizard is just someone who has a higher-end version of the same attack spell he started with, plus a small number of utility spells that duplicate the effects of scrolls that everyone can use.

Any other generic medieval fantasy roguelike would be a better example. A wizard in NetHack is likely to have multiple game-breaking spells. In ADOM you can flat-out cast Wish. In TOME the archmages are widely regarded to be unbeatable if played correctly.

>>182685857
>A wizard in NetHack is likely to have multiple game-breaking spells.
Yes, but there are only like three nethack spells that aren't also an item. It really isn't any better than DCSS in this aspect.

>>182686830
The difference being that having a spell version of a consumable is actually significant in NetHack. If you can identify or remove curse then you've completely destroyed major challenges in the game. You can turn almost any monster into a pet with charming. Polymorph as a spell, with all the arbitrary change in shape that that provides. Divinations can give you more information, which is more useful in NetHack than Crawl, than even Ashenzari.

Most of these are spells that Crawl used to have, but they were removed because the devs didn't like overlap or they didn't like things that were interesting or overpowered. Add to this the fact that in NetHack the item drops are randomized in such a way that you can get really useful spells fairly early, with those spells becoming usable early as well because of different casting mechanics.

are crossbows main or auxiliary ranged weapons? when should I pick them over throwing or evocations for range?

>>182688123
Main if you have a decent aptitude to train them. If not don't bother over evo/throwing (assuming you have a decent aptitude to learn those) unless you find a really great crossbow.

>charging a food dehydrator takes my car battery from 100% to 16 and only makes eight dehydrated foods per full charge
I think the UPS mod was a mistake.

>>182693395

Car batteries aren't really made to put out a lot of long-lasting power, they're made to be able to put out a large amount of power quickly to start the engine, then the alternator generates the electricity to recharge the battery and run everything else.
But yeah, that should probably give you more uses than that.

>>182693395
yes
for meme balance reasons, vehicle charging rigs are somehow only 10% efficient

if you had a foodco system installed on your car it would use 1/10th as much energy to accomplish the same thing

Can you give me some ideas for CDDA rules/challenges? I want to have fun again.

>>182695229
play the recent versions with fucked up accuracy code
pick a start with a bow or a gun or something
only ever kill things with ranged attacks, no melee allowed

voila, max difficulty challenge mode

I felt like coming back to Cataclysm after a couple years away, but I'm totally stumped.

I think I've got all the new mechanics figured out more or less, but I'm not really sure what kind of progression I'm supposed to be going for in my character.

Back in my day, you could get a hammer or a combat knife and be pretty much solid for weapons, and armor was unilaterally shit, so just throw on a utility vest and fanny packs, etc, but now it looks like there's a serious crafting cycle added for weapons, not just food and CBMs?

It also looks like they've added an end game, and it seems impossible to find isolated zombies to train my skills on without running into end game monsters that just push my shit in.

The woods in particular seem way less safe than they used to be, so it's actually safer to camp out in the suburbs than the woods? Seems contrary to the rules the game established in the past.

>refuse to pick up items that aren't in special vaults because monsters used them and they're dirty

Does anyone else do this in Crawl?

>>182696381
Far from the cities is still the safest place to be, whether you play with hordes or not. And there is still no endgame, what kind of monsters are you talking about?

>>182696504
Only you friendo

>>182696381

Armor's actually decent now, and yeah, you can craft some pretty mean weapons. Also unarmed is a big deal, what with various kung fu styles (Zui Quan "drunken boxing" is pretty OP though)

About the main thing you have to worry about in the wilderness are the zombie wildlife, mainly the Zombear, the Antlered Horror, and the Grim Howler, who can attract the other two with his howling.

Still, the other anon's right, overall the wilderness is safer. But if you have a very small town, you could mostly clear that -- wander spawns mean new Zs will be coming in now and then.

People who never plan on learning to program, give me your good roguelike ideas so I can steal them plz k thx

>>182700776
https://www.tigsource.com/2010/08/26/preview-serial-killer-roguelike/

>>182701906
Ugh, I remember hearing about that one when that crazy college kid made a fake roguelike preview. What a weirdo.

I don't understand why people even want this desu, sounds like a boring game to me.

>>182702267
Better than your roguelike of choice.

>>182702575
And which one is that?

>>182702662
Seems like something you ought to know desu.

>>182702891
+1

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Live.

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>>182544225
I'm doing pretty well with barbarian in dynahack, but I just got my shit fucked up massively against a pack of nymphs. I have no way to kill anything now.

Can I just #quit, not a fun enemy tbqh.

>>182696504
Please describe which specific mental illnesses you suffer from. And also your opinion on the Holocaust.

>>182707198
>be a brigand
>lose all of your material wealth to sluts
You make Conan proud.

>>182707198
Stop meleeing nymphs

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>nethack
>sacrifice a body in an altar
>it spawns juiblex
>the fuck keeps following me, but otherwise it's neutral
>enter shop
>STUCK IN THE FUCKING SHOP BECAUSE I TRIED TO PLEASE MY GOD AND HE SEND SOME FUCKHEAD WHO DOESN'T MOVE FROM THE FUCKING DOOR

I don't have teleport. How do I leave? It isn't moving.

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>>182708707

>>182709152
Dig a hole in the floor?
Attack the shopkeeper?

>>182709152
Throw a tripe ration at Juiblex to tame her, after which you should just be able to displace normally.

>>182709152

Smash the door? Say "why not" and start reading scrolls to see if one's teleport?

>>182709152

On the plus side, Juiblex is one of the easiest demons to handle in a fight.

>>182709529
>exp:1
Even if he was lucky enough to start with the needed item, I doubt his limp wrists could survive the damage.

Just die and take "never sacrifice your own race" as the lesson to learn from this game.

>>182709829
I thought sacrificing your own race was good when you're Chaotic.
But oh well. Here goes nothing... I'll attack Juiblex because I **KNOW** I'll die for the shopkeeper, and the fuck kept teleporting to me.

>>182710220
Sacrificing your own race is good, because your god likes it and each demon prince summoned is one you don't have to fight later on.

>>182710412
Update: engulfed, DYWYPI?, potentially good game ruined by a teleporting plus size snail.

>>182710412
You can only get juiblex (who is a complete pushover when you get to him) and yeenoghu (who isn't even guaranteed to appear and does very little unless he gets stupid lucky -- or see below).

More importantly, they are very annoying and you will inevitably fat finger into them with stormbringer.

Fish mutation line seems underrated.

>full night vision
>insanely dexterous
>indefatigable
>quick
>fangs
>bunch of minor things that improve being wet or swimming
>simple to make (only needs fish meat) compared to the well-known op ones
>only downside is heat dependant (pretty bad), smelly (kind of bad, but you do have full night vision), very high thirst (doesn't really matter by this point) and tail fin (doesn't really matter unless you want to use power armor)

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>tfw want to go into longswords or axes
>never do because of hydras and never want to bank on finding flaming weapon because it probably wont happen

>>182714562
Reminder that it is 100% required to melee hydrae to win DCSS.

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>tfw to intelligent to walk away from speed 10 monsters

>>182714652
i guess, I just dont like counting on wands and javelins

reminder that it is 100% required to kill hydrae to win dcss

>>182715050
I feel like im missing out on the game walking away :( This is why i've only won thrice

Playing online is such a meme
>Playing webtiles
>Positioning is important
>Lag so hard tab spamming and waiting keep fucking up and making me move when I want to wait and wait when I want to move
>Because lag
And it's not my internet connection either
I have <100 ping on PoE and it's notorious for connection problems

>>182715396
>webtiles

>>182715396
>playing dcss

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>>182715158
I could have walked away here and skipped the entire floor by just teleporting onto the stairs

but I didn't

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Should I use this quarterstaff? or just a regular lajatang

>>182714562
qw just takes an unbranded +0 morningstar or great mace, and never has any problems with hydras.

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>>182709152

>>182718615
Dude, this is beautiful. Thank you very much for this, specially if you're the one who drew it.

>>182695821
Until you get huge skills and christmas tree guns, when the accuracy code gets ezmode compared to the old one and you suddenly score infinite headshots at max range

in dcss, i've read that you should level a melee wep a bit on hunters, but why? is it better to melee when up close? i've gone through the wiki but i haven't read anything to that effect

Why are there so many orcs in the mines? What are they all doing there? That seems really crowded and uncomfortable

>>182720491
ammo is a limited resource
you can't just shoot everything you see from D:1 to zot

>>182720618
Well the bottom of their mine has a magical gateway to the halls of the filthy elvs.
The orc army is there as a defensive force in case the limp-wristed knife-ears invade
The non-warrior orcs are probably in the mines to... mine. I'm guessing it's a gold mine because that's the only thing you actually get in there anyways.

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hermes ninja, what use? Merlin better damage by 30/round with the ring, but is that what I should be going for?

GrGl just finished lair, orc, and d15. What do now? Should snek be easy peasy?

>>182721104
...more damage is always better
i think the +stealth might have some kind of benefit for your ninjastabs, but I don't know how big it'll be

>>182721202
or should i do swamp

>>182694098
nigga car batteries have tons and tons of amps

>>182721357
noted
would merlin + ninjato be optimal, then?
I get the feeling +3 speed pales in comparison to warning and dex

>>182721717
Well speed is more valuable the less of it you already have, so that's a decision for you to make yourself.
Warning is pretty useless though.

what is the perfect fighter for extended regarding weapon choice and species?

>>182722380
best character to otab through extended is Mi^TSO with a holy exe axe
i don't know why people keep asking this question, minotaur always has been and always will be the strongest tabbiest melee fighter race
crawl character creation is intentionally imbalanced. minotaurs and berserkers are intentionally overpowered compared to the competition, just like mummies and CKs are intentionally underpowered

>>182722852
isn't zin better to protect from hell and abyss bullshit?
I tabbed like fuck as HuFi of zin. and the lack of mi aptitudes for ranged and invocations really boggles my noggles too

>>182723510
>>182722852
another thing, the only way to get an exe axe would be by worshiping trog right? I always prefer to start as oka to guarantee OP equipment before switching to a good god

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Apparently if a dungeon entrance guardian is killed by a summon it'll immediately respawn on the staircase (whereas when the player kills it, it disappears forever).

I was playing a Quylthulg so I just threw a few dragons at it. Once it died, I zapped detectmons and that nothing except my dragon buddies was around, so I assumed I was safe and started walking towards the staircase. Then it reappeared and shot my negative-speed ass full of rockets.

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Shame I didn't find this earlier.

>>182721564

That's exactly what I said. High amperage, means it can put out a really strong current. It's not made to run that really strong current for a long period, though.

>>182723510
Zin is nice but unnecessary. You can literally close your eyes and tab with your Angel friends by using TSO.

Pan/Hell with TSO is literally just:
1) Summon Divine ally
2) Kill some demons to regain piety
3) Either get rune by bashing in the pan/helllord's face or go to next floor
4) ???
5) 9 runes from Pan and Hell

TSO also doesn't require much Invo to be great, and by the time you're doing extended, it should be easy to train Invo. Minotaur ranged apts are perfectly fine, but range is kind of a meme (unless you're going crossbows). In any case, the strength and speed of a fully skilled holy twohander will beat anything in the demonic extended areas.

>>182723649
Exec axe would be perfect, but honestly, any of the endgame 2H weapons are fine. That's kind of what makes Minotaurs so good once again: found a good weapon but haven't been training it? Fight on 3 floors and it'll have delay of 1; fight on another 5 floors and it'll have a delay of 0.8. Because that's the power of +2 apts across the board.

>do orc
ez
>do snake
ez
>do swamp
ez
>step one foot into slime pits
>almost get one hit
That was fucking close...is that place supposed to be ridiculously harder than everywhere else? I mean...the entrance is in lair I dont see how it would be that hard

>>182726214
sometimes the entrance to hell is in lair too

>>182726273
so when should I do slime? And I take it right now, I should probably just do elves? I've already cleared d15

>>182726389
Could go through the first few levels of Vaults.
What are you running?

>>182726496
GrGl

>>182726651
No wonder snek and swamp were easy.

>>182726892
well duh. But I just meant that slimes hit hard.

>>182718615
Fucking nice.

>>182720634
*unless you're with okawaru/trog

Ask a guy who just chased an archer elf around for 30 turns anything

>>182728114
why are you so gay

>>182728320
Because I just moved to a new city and I dont have any friends here. I wasn't like this before.

>>182728114
if you suddenly became a qt trap would you jerk off to your own reflection

>>182728114
Would you rather be penetrated by a young boy with a horse-sized dick or a horse with a young-boy-sized dick

>>182724463
>implying that the retards who play roguelike games can understand the difference between current and watt-hours

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YES! It works!

This time I did it again, sacrificing same race. And I got two demons I won't need to fight.
However instead of struggling with them in my way (my stupid cat is already enough), just "forgetting" about them on the first basement does the trick.

>>182729153
Rude
You're gross

>>182729185
Nice job bud.