/pdg/ - Payday: The Heist, Payday 2, and Payday: Crime War General

>>182536579
This game is dead

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>>182536695
lmao ok

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Does maniac even work?

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I guess this is it guys, seven failed threads in a row. We have finally lost steam and the game is dead even if official Starbreeze support is up to Oct. 2018.

It's been a good run. 4 years is a pretty long time. Lots of shilling, crashes, memes, shitposting, and most importantly, fun. Even though we managed to outlast some of our sister generals like /kfg/, /hmg/, /vmg/, etc. all good things must come to an end, including this general. Since we can't keep this general alive anymore, this is going to be the last time I make this thread. I'll drop by if there happens to be another /pdg/ made but I'm out of medic bags and my throat's burned out from all the GTFUs.

Maybe we'll see each other again when PD3 comes out. Maybe it won't suck. Haha, who am I kidding, it's going to suck because the Swedes think they're doing fine. I vowed to never give Starbreeze another dollar anyway. Maybe I'll try out PD3 on a free weekend. Doubt it.

Pic related, it's time for me to cash out my Crime Spree cuz I'm all out of Continental Fucks. It's been an honour heisting with you gentlemen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5zGkqAWsWE

Keep those helmets flying! ;)

>>182537389
Define "work". It reduces damage like it says it does.

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>>182483682
>>182514319
What's good, heisters? New side jobs are out!

Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- Short Fuse (short_fuse)
- Target Practice: Submachingun (smg_100_kills)

And today's Safehouse Daily is:
- Total Shogun (daily_heirloom)
Brought to you by Clover.

Keep those helmets flying! ;)

>>182537479
Hey, you, get on your feet!

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Since thread is dying, post all you got.

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>>182540702

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>>182541056

>>182536579
the end is nigh

What we need to waifubait so the fanart will keep this general alive.

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>>182542431
Fucking kek, this one got me.

ded

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>>182545931

I haven't played much with the AI crew setup, is there any good setups with the bonuses or does it not matter in which order you put them on AI heisters?

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k I'm out.

Rest in my folder are /pdg/-tan shit but I'm falling asleep.

Good night.

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>never ever

>>182550896
This one is so depressing to me. Do dragon's breath kill count towards it? Someone was saying kills don't count with fire.

>>182550896
Reminder that retarded did this
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/robbedacop

>>182551489
Most fire types don't count. Definitely not Dragan's Breath.

I know incendiary nades count.
I know molotovs don't.
Don't know about flamethrowers.

>>182552630
That sucks. Any tips then? I've got 800+ hours at the moment and it's not looking good. The hydra mutator doesn't seem to work either.

>>182552892
>The hydra mutator doesn't seem to work either.
It was supposed to work with the mutators (because it was a mutator trophy) but Steam forums were crying about how mutators were "unfair" and "cheating" and OVK devs disabled them so quickly.

Solutions are to cheat or just give up.

Because how many cops do you think you can kill per heist? 200? 300 if you try? How long is that? Maybe 30 mins? So about 600 cops/hr. 600,000 cops is 1,000 hours of endless killfarming and that'll only count if you don't crash. Fire doesn't count, sentries don't count, jokers/bots don't count. You'll have to do an average of 2-3 hours of straight killfarming a day for a year to get that number.

>>182553238
There were people who complained about a ''shortcut'' to an astronomically high killcount achievement?

What do I have to draw so this thread doesn't die

>>182553550
Steam forums are the pinnacle of stupidity.

When others bitched about them disabling mutators, OVK devs backpedaled so hard saying shit like "It wasn't actually a mutator trophy" and "We don't mind having impossible achievements".

The few fags who have Robbedacop either cheated it by checking the box or using mods, or disabled updates by going in offline mode and farming for like 24 hours straight on Hydra or something. In hindsight, I wish I did that but I was too lazy. Now it's going to burn my autism for years.

>>182553865
Why would they not mind having impossible achievements? Also the game is so prone to crashing that farming for a longer bit of time is unsecure. Why don't they just bring back the mutator or something? ASHLEY DO SOMETHING

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>>182553553
You have to draw codes.

>>182537854
I don't feel it on mayhem.

>>182554726
Did Ashley leave or something?

>>182555078
Ashley's still here but codes are pretty much gone because the ultimate bundle removed the need for DLC codes that aren't party hats and shit.

Anyone having problems since the last update? Might be something on my side but suddenly payday keeps draining a lot more of my cpu and stutters.

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HEY YOU GET ON YOUR FEET

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New to modding and shit, are HUD mods seen as cheating or not ?

Convince me not to buy the dlc bullshit please.
I have played every mission, I don't give a flying shit about the characters, I give even less of a shit about completionism or achievements, I only care about one or two masks max from the dlcs, but my weapon boner keeps screaming.

>>182559863
They're not, they're pretty good actually.

>>182559921
dlc unlocker

>>182560146
If I buy shit with the unlocker then stop using it can I still equip the shit I bought?

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Don't need to pay cleaner costs if there's nothing to clean.

>>182562209
>tfw no viscera cleanup detail payday edition

>>182562073
No. They stay in your inventory, locked.

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Does anyone else have to tie female hostages if there's a male hostage?

When I was a kid I always made my mother take off her socks before I did when I went to take a bath because I refused to perform a submissive action in front of a woman unless she did the same as well

I also liked seeing women get arrested in front of men on tv because it looked like they were humilated desu senpai

>>182563942
You seem like the kinda person who likes hands.

AAAAA I NEED A MEME BAG

>knock knock
>who's there?
>police assault in 30 seconds
>lines won't be this good again

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>>182568815
>he doesn't remember the exact line

i can't believe memes saved this general

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post masks

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>>182541783
can't believe people actually saved that

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzblQUMBVo0

>mfw this is actually happening

>>182572486
it's a straight up inferior version of pocohud

>>182572486
HOXHUD INITIALISED

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Someone redo this with 6 skulls

>>182573192
Will do tomorrow.

haven't played this in so long
does anyone use the ICTV anymore?
is the locomotive still stupidly good?

>>182573420
Both are good, playable on everything, just not sure about OD. Loco is fun but I like it with dodge more for the sanic sprint.

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>>182573192
why does it have 1 skull in the first place

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>>182573192

>>182573839
>>182574048
hmmmm

>>182573839
>>182574048
How is this even possible.
Same name, different sizes. Even the skulls have different alignment.

>>182574860
Nevermind, I'm retarded.

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>page 9

Page 9 again.
Seems like overkill started their holidays at the wrong time.

What's everyone's favorite heist to run and why?

>>182579550
your mom
she deepthroats

>>182579550
UKRAINIAN JOB
C4
Yakuza + Berserker

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>see a "how to make X weapon good" video on youtube,
>it always end up with silencer skills slapped on it

Does the devs hate the compensators this much or just really think the bigger is better ?

If thrashley the slut post a code in ten minutes or less I post my uncutdick

post it anyway

>>182585492
>>182585492
What should I do with my hand to prove it aint fake

Mod to pull out anything other than the saw first?

why is this so dead anyways

>>182586896
ded gaem

>>182586896
because you're here

nobody likes you, lots of people are here when you fuck off

>>182586896
cause no content for 3 months and there won't be for next 2 weeks

post your dick already

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>>182588189

>>182588268
no you didn't

>>182576529
>Bain has one or two straight up wrong lines for meth cooking pre lab rats update
>And it was client side

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>>182542067

>>182593326
cute

>>182593326
Nice

>>182537296
The game was in the 3rd place, go down to 8th place in few time it just strengthens my comment.

>>182593326
Thanks Ashley

>>182590593
What will that cloaker do to her?

>>182594170
i am not ashley dude

>>182593326
You didn't cut it?

>give away 5 million free copies
>game still ded
Has there ever been more definitive proof that a game is shit than this?

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>>182593562
>>182593591
stop you will make me blush
>>182595114
the picture yes from 5 megs to 3.5

>>182593326
it's alright
slut

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>>182598861
nigga i aint no slut i was just bored and keeping the thread alive

>>182593326
why are you sitting in an empty bathtub dood

>>182599081
posting your dick for 40 people to see is pretty slutty

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>>182599081
post more real fanart and less memes

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>>182600968

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>>182599558
Might be but atleast it aint using a trip like trashley

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>>182600968

>>182550896
diamond on hard. nearest i cna tell it has probably the most cop spawn of any heist+difficulty combination

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how is your mask collection going, pdg?

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>>182600968
Goodnight, sweet Ulf.

>>182603225
did u buy it for $200?

>>182585640
have a dark skinned hand and let the general go on autopilot for 700 posts

>>182603578
I got it from a giveaway

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>>182600968

>>182602912
whatever helps you sleep, slut

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>>182600968

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Criminal Intent

>>182606929
dude music lmao

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>>182568803

I wonder if overkill will ever make a heist where you steal a gigantic medic bag. I wouldn't put it past them at this point.

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>>182603225
Great, thanks!

>>182611105
where do I get one

>>182610983
Maybe as a haloween thing, it'd fit in with lab rats
>"giant" heisters holed up in a closet
>have to cause a rube goldbergian chain reaction to damage one of them
>after they deploy the giant medic bag you have to attach straps on it for 6 mini helicopters to fly it away

>>182611834
>Objectives completed
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA in the distance
>Guys! The medic bag! Go get it!

Hope they fix hostage pathing for clients before this.

BUMPO

Is there any akimbo that isn't fucking garbage.
If you are 1 fucking meter away from the target then you shoot one bullet to the center, and one bullet over the center (because recoil lol).

>>182616601
Either use submachine guns akimbo for fun or use pistols with that single fire mod

>>182617579
Any recommendations for high concealment shit?
Or anything that goes up to 25?

>>182616601
There isn't anything in this game that isn't garbage because it's a garbage game.

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I am an active member of the /pdg/ steam group chat

Mod to change green and tan's appearance to their gensec counterpart when ?

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>>182541156

Is there a mod that adds a contour to Gage packages?

Is there a mod that spoonfeeds me answers?

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>mfw never have to play Election day stealth ever again

>>182621487
It's called meth helper, and it's super usefull

Meth batch complete

>>182623164
i put sode

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>waiting for drills

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>page 9

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Do suppressed barrels count towards silencer skills, or do they have to be barrel extensions?

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ded gam

>>182626201
Supressed barrels that decrease thread and remove noise counts a silencers for the skills, such is the case with clarion and Lions roar

>>182626201
They count.

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>>182626292
post more hoxton

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>>182627558
bonus Woof

Reminder that western pack once had good weapons

>>182628925
>Strictly Worse Bronco
>Love it or hate it sniper rifle
>The pretty okay bow
>231 concealment knife

Yeah it was okay

get the fuck up

>>182629582
The peacemaker should have the special ability to instantly kill anything that gets hit with it 6 times.

>>182554994
mechanically it is functioning as intended but the damage dealt by cops on mayhem is so much higher than the reduction granted by maniac that the deck is effectively useless

the problem is the "as intended" part
thx Jules

Why don't they just remove every difficulty except overkill, then use crime spree modifiers for difficulty?

>>182536579
Donacdum~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJUMfkSun-o

>>182630383
I got the game for free, what's wrong with difficulties above overkill? I noticed a drastic jump between overkill and mayhem in my ability to not suck.

>>182630383
Because normal's too hard as it is

>>182630532
cop's deal more damage, are more accurate, and more act more aggressive on Mayhem compared to Overkill

on Mayhem, cop's HP is increased by 200% but your headshot damage is reduced by 50%. effectively, this gives cop's at least 400% increased health compared to Overkill

as an added bonus, the devs fucked up the spawn mechanics for Mayhem causing extra cop's to spawn compared to Death Wish which is intended to be harder than Mayhem by increasing cop's' damage and accuracy even more (HP and headshots are same between Mayhem and Death Wish)

>>182630962
>the devs fucked up the spawn mechanics for Mayhem causing extra cop's to spawn compared to Death Wish

So why haven't the devs fixed this yet?

>>182632256
>So why haven't the devs fixed this yet?
For the same reason they haven't fixed the weapon balance.

>>182632256
it's difficult to prove that Mayhem has higher spawn rate than Death Wish. player analysis of the parameters for Mayhem compared to Death Wish indicate that Mayhem gets 2-3 more "weak" enemies when Death Wish would get 1 "strong" enemy. the extra enemies that Mayhem could get don't overflow the max number of spawns so there can be many spawngroups with extra enemies. both the code to trace these numbers in datatables and the function that interprets them to create spawngroups are very convoluted. the actual execution is random

probably at this point, the dev in charge of fixing it (or at least in charge of publicly talking about it) has spent so much time saying he's not wrong that it's too much of an ego hit to reverse his decision anyway.

my guess is that the code to manage spawns was written by someone who's left the company but they keep using it because it's too complicated to re-engineer from scratch.

>>182633124
he just buffed the guns he liked when mayhem came out. remember 4000 damage crossbows? yeh? The guy who does the balance loves crossbows.

Thermal scopes in payday 2 when ?

I feel like Mayhem is easier than Death Wish because I go down more in Death Wish. But I don't think Mayhem is a good step between Overkill and Death Wish desu. There's just too many viable builds in Overkill that just get destroyed going to Mayhem.

>>182586896
It's kind of weird, before the free download the general wasn't getting archived every 10 minutes. After it went ''free'' and the intial burst of posters, it's completely dead.

>>182634630
Really? I have the opposite feeling, like there's a decent gap between DW and mayhem, DW being easier that is. However, I agree that it's a bad step from OVK to mayhem, you just feel overwhelmed.

>>182552427
>you must have 100% achievement completion

Then why don't they call this group "Payday 2: 100%"

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>>182552427

>>182638194
You're shitting me, right? I didn't even bother watching his ''evidence''. Fucking A mate.

>>182638302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP0U6OSicck

GET THE FUCK UP!

>yfw Bodhiposting will never be a thing

>>182639936
Who ?

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>HOXHUD IS BACK

>>182640724
Is there any advantage of using it instead of other huds? Looks really barebones to me.

>>182640851
Cheats.

Any tips for the Go Bank stealth + no civ kills achievement? The civs there spawn infinitely, right?

>>182641170
>Go Bank stealth

>>182641476
Yes. Also, done it first try. I remember it being way harder before. Oh well.

>>182641170
There is no possibility doing in solo and very hard without friends, basically many bridles, ECMs, organization and patience.
Someone inside in the vault opening the reforced boxes, other one responding the phone and the others two idiots threatening the civilians. When you party fulfill with the necessary objectives of the mission just escape.

>>182642182
What are you even going on about? It's effortless with stockholm syndrome.

>>182642182
I just did it solo, why do you think it's not possible?

>>182642182
Or simply have one guy on the boxes, one on the phone, and two retards running around sawing the air.

>>182642703
Two retards sawing the air is redundant, you need to have them to kill cops/guards that arrive while the box guy saws in the air (with a saw)

/PDG/ BIG LOBBY WHEN

>>182642936
I doubt the box guy has enough coverage with his loud saw
>you need to have them to kill cops/guards
Secondaries ya cunt.

>>182536695
Kind of is, so many incompetent shitter hosts kicking makes attempting to join pointless.
Most recently got kicked for "hacking" because 3 incompetent retards couldn't survive the difficulty they picked.

>>182643178
>join a random pub
>3 faggots with cs:go gamble/sloppy second advertising
>host goes in options
>...
>he's been dragging it for minutes
>suddenly insult me in my native language
>finally get kicked

I wish i knew how to use the blacklist thing in the main menu.

>>182643178
>>182643826
>Stories of hosts kicking

I saw a freshly infamoused person do pretty much half of a loud heist on their own as the 2 shitters died (I was the other half). Unfortunately one of the shitters was the host and kicked him afterwards for "low level leeching", I called him a faggot shitter then left afterwards.

The default ban system is ass and won't let you add said shitter hosts to your list after they kick you. You kind of have to keep a list of these retards manually to avoid if you're not using mods.

Strobe mode for flashlights?

>>182643178
There's a solution waving itself right in your face, and if you're too retarded to see it, uninstalling would be for everyones benefit

COLD HEART PUMPING

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>>182571085

>>182583667
Unbalance 2015 destroyed ARs permanently.

Now Silent Shitter is the only way to make mediocre guns barely hit breakpoints. The Val was always shit though.

>>182632256
>So why haven't the devs fixed this yet?
Multiple people pointed out the exact lines of code where this is happening.

Devs insist it's not a bug / it's not the problem code.

So it doesn't get fixed.

>>182641170
Get all the civ control skills and saw skills.

Even if there are 20 alerted civs on the map, you can control them just by grinding the saw on the ground once every few seconds (like 10-15?).

Has to be in the bank though because it's the middle of the map, the radius is huge but not big enough to cover the whole map from one side.

Then pray that you don't get GenSec guards showing up because of fucking Hilary from GenSec and after 4 minutes, get in the vault, grab one bag, get out.

This is the plan if you're going to try solo.
If you have friends, you can bring extra ties to wrangle civs with out of sight but it's still the same general solution with grinding the saw to keep the civs on the ground.

>>182648990
It's ok. I've done it without a saw or loud weapons and with gensec showing. Forgot I put a silencer on my weapon so I couldn't noise control them and that I should probably take a saw but oh well. Got it on the first try luckily, never doing it again.

>>182649134
Answer for GO Bank is to just do it loud anyway, or bring body bags.

>>182649215
You realize you can't get the achievement to complete it in stealth if you go loud? Also you're not allowed to kill civs.

>>182649516
I know we were talking about the professionals achievement.

Just saying, this is why nobody stealths GO Bank unless they're forced to.
Or they're a shitter who needs the OD achievement

>Page 9

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>>182571085

>Page 9

Will weapon balance ever get unfucked?

>>182653215
Not until Jules hangs from a tree

>page 9

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>page 9

>>182657756
I can tell how old this is by the gun he's holding

>>182658425
>he

>page

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>>182539309
What's good, heisters? New side jobs are out!

Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- For The Pension Fund (earn_2000k_offshore_cash)
- Target Practice: Pistol (pistol_100_kills)

And today's Safehouse Daily is:
- Just Like The Old Days (daily_sewers)
Brought to you by Chains.

Keep those helmets flying! ;)

Anyone have any achievements or safehouse trophies they want help with?

>>182661463
Robbedacop please.

>>182661463
I wouldn't say no to doing Scrap Metal during the weekend.

>>182621757
>Election day
>Not Framing Frame
You should never play framing frame to begin with but you know.

1. Getting closer to first infamy
2. Is it me or do cops use shotguns now and didn't before?
3. If yes, what else is in the update

>>182662585
Cops always had shotguns. It's RNG.

Normal cops, blues, yellows, greens, tans, dozers, and even greys.
The only ones without shotgun variants are like, the hostage rescue towelheads and the non-Dozer Specials.

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What are the best patterns for the Kawaii mask ?

>>182661723
I'd be down to help with that, just post whenever and I'll keep an eye out.
>>182661608
Here's a tip to help, kill cops.

i'm new to this game
i did the basic tutorials and the jewelry store heist, now what

>>182665042
Rob banks while spending everything on masks that represent the hole left by depression.

>>182665042
Make up a meme build that barely holds up on overkill, and take it into One down.

>>182662815

I feel like grey SWAT from the old DW never used shotguns before Biker Heist

>>182663401
Masked villain is pretty much the best option you have for it apart from vanilla.

>>182666370
They didn't for some reason, but the shotgun they use is identical to the normal reinbeck so it's pretty worthless

>>182665042
this is a hoard-shooter type game. it doesn't matter what map you play next. its all the same.

>>182667606
what about stealtH?

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>>182665042
Do some simpler loud heists like Slaughterhouse and bank heists until you get some decent skills. Stick to Very Hard as well, as Overkill might overwhelm you until you can get a proper build/decently built weapons.

Get the M308. Best gun in the game.

https://youtu.be/mqVOmoWn9Jc

>>182667835
Stealth sucks ass. Never do it unless you're actually autistic.

>>182667835
You don't get the sick music on stealth.
Literally unplayable.

>>182667835
Stealth is pretty comfy and fun, give it a try solo and don't rush anything.

>>182667835
boring as fuck
>restart until you get good RNG
>AI pathing sucks ass
>waits several minutes for guards to move
>guards have 360 degree vision, including above them, can see shit from hundreds of feet away
>detection is host based, good luck stealthing as a client
>guard position is host based
>corpse and bag position is also host based
>restarting in 3...

>>182668803
>i'm bad and i suck at stealth

>>182667835
Stealth can be fun
Public games will suck the fun out of it though, do it solo or with friends.

>>182669389
>t. someone who doesn't play stealth

>>182669501
It's only fun with friends once in awhile for a change of pace, suicide is a preferable alternative to solo stelt.

>>182669892
t. ictv shitter

>>182669892
Clearly you don't if you think it's hard. Unless we're talking about pubs but that's a different thing.

>>182670503
>Person literally states huge issues that effect not just pubs, but solo. Issues that make for an unfun, tedious, and overall terrible stealth system.
>"You seriously have never played have you?"
Play Framing Frame Solo without resetting.

>>182671112
Never heard of me or any of my friends restarting for better RNG, AI pathing sucks but what's the deal, hold up a sec until the AI moves away. There are some guards that hold up a bit longer but you can usually avoid them. 360 degree vision? Haven't experienced that solo. Detection, guard position, corpse and bag position are also non-existant solo. Not sure what your problem is, but alright.

hello

>About to get cloaker'd
>Deck it in the face with EBK as it's jumping at me
>I didn't get downed
Holy shit that's cool.

>>182674323
post your dick

>>182572486
How much more DRM has this faggot loaded onto his mod?

>>182640851
It has some sick DRM

>>182667859
Dumb hamsterposter kys
>M308
The judge

>>182678621
Is a secondary and I personally prefer the Loco.

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>This host is running the following mod
>Silent Assassin

I leave even if it's a loud heist.

>>182680819
It's just too easy having silent assassin, how can shitters even use it?

>>182667869
>unseen strike aced
Can anyone recommend it?

>>182681693
It really is too easy, what's the point of even playing at that point?

>>182666370

Greys and Tans never used shotguns in old OVK/DW, all the shotgun cops were the weak ass greens

>>182681880
It's mostly shadow raid pubs that have it from my experience and it becomes
>run in and shoot everyone without them getting detected
>fuck around while they get all the loot on the map
It's a snorefest

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>>182540702

>>182674520
The buzzer is better for decloakering but it's shittier if you have to stun multiple people at once.

Is muscle dodge legit?

>>182680819
>>182681693
>>182681880
>>182682136
i use it for a solo dockyard challenge where you have to kill the entire map with no pagers allowed and no bots

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I was always wondering, how are the consoles versions compared to the PC payday 2 ?

>>182682136
Now that you mention it, my friend got it for shadow raid too. I have no idea what the charm is.

Does concealment affect how quickly a weapon can be drawn and holstered?

>>182685723
There's a challenge where you have to kill the entire map with no pagers? What?

>>182685980
Not no pagers, but the challenge is for murky dock to kill everyone on the map and still escape, normally you need people to do it since the pagers will make the countdown start

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I've spent some time thinking about the dodge vs armour dilemma.
The higher the difficulty and enemy damage rises the stronger dodge becomes in comparison to armour.
The reason is that an armour value's strength depends on what amount of damage it's up against while dodge always works well regardless of damage.
What solutions would you suggest in order to fix it's viability regardless of difficulty?
So that it's not extremely good on low ones and relatively poor on higher ones.

I thought of the idea of reducing armour "health" itself and adding a new percentage-based damage reduction that depends on the armour.
So for example the ICTV could have something like 60% damage resistance, meaning that all armour damage you take is reduced by that percentage.
This would pretty much add a percentage-based mechanic similar to dodge that would stay viable throughout different difficulty levels.

What do you think?

new game content (heist or heister) when ?

>>182687445
>What solutions would you suggest in order to fix it's viability regardless of difficulty?
Heavily reduce the damage increase from difficulty levels, and instead make difficulty spawn more and more cops as it goes up.

What fuck over dodge is RNG, make them roll a lot more and their viability get a hit.

>>182687838
Tomorrow

>>182685665
Not really, it was better whne suit gave more dodge and so did some skills i think, long time ago

>>182687445
What you are suggesting is pretty much infiltrator, damage resistance won't help you either way if the damage valeus for cops are too big

>>182688195
Infiltrator's resistance values are situational and only go up to 32%.
The 60% I pulled out of my ass are about double that.

>>182687445
>I thought of the idea of reducing armour "health" itself and adding a new percentage-based damage reduction that depends on the armour.
>So for example the ICTV could have something like 60% damage resistance, meaning that all armour damage you take is reduced by that percentage.
>This would pretty much add a percentage-based mechanic similar to dodge that would stay viable throughout different difficulty levels.

this would literally do nothing except make anarchist ictv better
100 armor with 60% damage reduction is the exact same thing as 250, there is 0 difference
i would tell you to use your brain but your image lets me know it doesn't exist

>>182687987
>>182688195
This. I hate when game difficulties just tack on more HP and damage to things. Going from normal to overkill was more fun for me than going beyond overkill.

>>182688712
>100 armor with 60% damage reduction is the exact same thing as 250, there is 0 difference

0.6 * 250 = 150
100 ~= 150
????

The fundamental difference between dodge and armor is that armor stops doing anything once it reaches 0. Dodge gets more use out of healing than armor does because dodge increases effective HP.

>>182688712
Rude.
Well, reading over the shit I wrote makes me question myself too, it's pretty late right now.
How about changing armor into counting hits instead of damage?
So that the ICTV can tank so and so many hits before breaking.

>>182689628
You fucked up your math there lad.
250 * (1 - 0.6) = 100

>>182687445
>The reason is that an armour value's strength depends on what amount of damage it's up against while dodge always works well regardless of damage.

Only partially right. The strength of armor depends on the ability to find cover. When dozers are isolated I shamelessly walk up and start blasting them in the face because I know my armor can soak a hit and I'll be able to recover it after the dozer is dead. On the other hand, the number one reason I die is because enemies are firing from all sides and I can't find a safe spot to hide. Dodge is just always on.

>the card you pick at the end of a heist is purely cosmetic and your prize is already pre determined
steam told me i had a safe long before i even picked a card

>>182690296
>The strength of armor depends on the ability to find cover.
Unless you use one of the perk decks that make it so it isn't.

>>182688712
>100 armor with 60% damage reduction is the exact same thing as 250, there is 0 difference

It makes that 25 armor recovery perk grant over 60 armor instead.

Just keep the damage the same across difficulties and spawn more enemies. Or at least the same damage on overkill and above. In order to not die you will have to kill more or no cover will be enough to avoid getting overwhelmed, therefore it requires more skill. Also add the crime spree modifiers, like medic bulldozers.

>>182691325
Won't that just make the issue of DLC being absolutely needed to play the game worse?
Base game players get NO aoe weapons.

>>182691325
I agree that the ridiculous damage and health scaling is arse, but spawning a shitton of enemies would strain the already worn-out engine even further, and excessive enemy numbers would pretty much amount to the same result as having fewer high-damage enemies.
Having them meet in the middle seems to be more appropriate, as well as adding more difficulty-defining shit similar to crime spree modifiers.

>>182691592
Base game players get grenades, but that's pretty much it.
FL Aced would give them a refilling pseudo-GL.

>>182691592
They get shotguns.

>>182691592
Get an assault rifle and start shooting.
I also remember a dev saying that they wanted to include a free grenade launcher down the road.

>>182691858
Not necessarily. I can deal with 100 blue normal cops with any weapon, but I can't deal with 20 OD grey normal with the average weapon. Or maybe I can't at all if the cover sucks and I have to spend one Swan Song to clear them. One Down guys just tear through you mercilessly, even Death Wish is more flexible.

Is it possible to use a stealth bonus xp boost on claiming the crime spree rewards?

Does the stealth bonus apply to safe house raids?

>>182692689
Anyone got accurate gameplay of how One Down fighting traditionally goes? Looking for videos and I find things heavily cherry picked with 1/10th the amount of enemies there usually are.

>>182694521
You hide like a fucking pussy and do objectives and let jokers and AI crew tank everything

>>182693849
no

>>182693931
yes
playing a safe house raid while you have a stealth bonus accumulated will spend the bonus on the shitty exp you get from the raid

>>182694637
And then you run to the escape zone only to get sniped and have to finish during swan song duration.

HEY YOU GET ON YOUR FEETS

post your feet

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>>182663401

Do the boiling point heists have a russian medic?

>>182663401
mega kawaii

>>182700547
ayy lmao

>>182700582
I believe the medics that spawn in them have russian lines, but their model is unchanged.

Unseen strike is garbage.
Akimbo krinkovs suck.

revolver ocelot mod when

>>182706714
april fools

>>182707693
>a good april fools joke
ha

>>182694637
>jokers
Makes sense to fight bloated stats with aimbots with bloated stats with aimbots.

>silenced guns deal a third more damage than unsilenced
wtf, why won't army just put a silencer on every M4

>airport lost my bag
well, anyone wanna play?

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>>182688712
Except giving armor regen 60% more value retard.
It would be way stronger then doge.

>>182710615
>implying that's a bad thing with artificial difficulties

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>>182710615

>>182707912
i e-stalked jwilko's youtube channel like a week after the spring break event and saw the video of his unreleased shalashaska perk deck from 2015

/pdg/ said there were richocheting bullets as part of april fools this year and considering jwilko was hired by starbreeze since june of last year it's safe to say it's the same mod

speaking of e-stalking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuNgGQtdJ3Y

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Since this skill is useless, how about this for a replacement:
Endless Assault
Basic: Your weapons reload themselves one bullet at a time when holstered. The time it takes to fully reload an empty weapon is equal to 300% of its reload time.
Aced: The time is now 100% of reload time.

>>182713259
Nerf it to be 500% reload time normally and only 200% otherwise. Some reload speeds are stupid fast after all.

>>182714182
Is being able to reload a gun with your dick while firing another gun really that powerful?

>>182713259
that sounds worse than what we have
how do you even come up with ideas this bad

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>>182713259
>buff the % headshot multiplier for basic to 60%
>change Aced to double your headshot multiplier with automatic weapons, but keeps the bodyshot mutiplier bonus at 60% instead of boosting it to 90%

>>182715216
that's more powerful than the version it was nerfed from

>>182715326
I thought the point of the nerf was keeping crossbows from using it and it affecting bulldozers.

>>182715367
Which is the only thing it was good for. 18 points to compensate for lack of aiming is not a good deal.

>>182715367
if that was the real reason they could have simply removed "special" from the weapon groups