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Are you prepared to go all the way edition

What's new?

>Stukov confirmed; Starcraft Support; Now LIVE
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20886131/
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes/stukov/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBBUVUmzxKk&feature=youtu.be

>Sun's Out, Guns Out Summer Event and Sweepstakes; Now LIVE
>New summer themed skins, mounts, and sprays
>Event ends the week of July 24th
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20838724/
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20852963/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAolE6W_l9I&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNtPcvCf8Q&feature=youtu.be

>Heroes of the Storm 2.0
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20695700/
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes20/

>For New Players
>Welcome to Heroes of the Storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPk004vsjuE&feature=youtu.be
>Official Community Resources, Guides, and Tips
>Talent Calculators, Statistics, Youtubers, and more
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/guides-resources/
>Tier lists are effective guidance tools, but should never be blindly followed
http://www.heroescounters.com/map
http://www.robogrub.com/tierlist
http://www.tentonhammer.com/articles/heroes-of-the-storm-tier-list

>Current Weekly Sale
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20881852/weekly-collection-update-july-11-18-2017-7-11-2017
>Current Weekly Brawl
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20888404/
>Current Patch Notes
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20888403/

>Where can I find GM players stuck in plat?
"/join /vg/" in game chat
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>tfw you get a teammate who is smart enough to stand in your purple goo
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Obligatory russian leak. The date in the left corner (when this leak was published) says 8 may.

Text says that they will be released in following order

Hype?
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Where the FUCK is Maiev????
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>>182461170
What is that thing next to KZ?
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>>182461170
Man that is an all-star release order. I'm even hype for the hybrid.
Come on, bulky-ass StarCraft main tank warrior.
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>>182461170
Why would I trust this vs. the leak that has so far been 100% correct and indicates KT or Junkrat next.
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>>182461242
Zerg/Protoss Hybrid
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>balanced tentancle man of many heals and silence
I fucking hate it, at least when you got a malth they'd always feed, stukov just makes fights take needlessly long
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>>182461170
>bottom right
who dis

>dw and kt next
too good to be true desu
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>>182461284
>Diablo legendary skin
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>>182461298
Well this one was correct with Malthael + Stukov aswell. Tbh I'm fine with any outcome (as long as they won't release other overshit heroes)
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>>182461284
>Terrans still dont have a warrior

although I guess the only thing they could have would be Thor, which overlaps with Tychus' Odin
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>>182461242
Protoss-Zerg Hybrid (Reaver type), a unit on their short list a few blizzcons back.
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>>182461170
Post on russian facebook from random blizzfan is not a russian leak anon.
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>>182461461
did one even have a name in SC2?

I don't think so
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>>182461538
Murky, Morales and Probius weren't named before hots aswell, like any Diablo 2/3 player character tho
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>>182461538
No. The only named hybrid that comes to mind is Maar, and he was a Destroyer. Nevertheless, we have Probius the Probe, sometimes units are made up whole cloth.
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>>182461393
it got "leaked" after their releases you moron
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>>182461461
>Dr. Boom
>The Innkeeper
>No fucking RAFAAAAAAAAM, THE SUPREME ARCHAEOLOGIST

if you're going to add hearthstone heroes why not add the best one you fucks
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>>182461170
>no waifus
it's shit
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>>182461645
This apparently is from may 8th.
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Great match making indeed!
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>>182461170
>deathwing
>shit human form
fuck humans can't have a fucking character that isn't orc angel or human
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>Get excited because with Legion Maiev was relevant and mentioned on the WoW front page
>Had her own lore page
>She does nothing
>Isn't out for HotS either
BLIZZARD!
I WON'T STAND FOR THIS!

I NEED TO BE THE IRON HAND OF JUSTICE!
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>>182461461
>literally almost two years ago
>since then of these only Xul, Varian, and Cassia have made it in
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>>182461976

Based retard bro on the scene
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>>182462057
Samuro was the first hero put into Blizzard dota 6 years ago and only came out last october
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>>182461170
Why are people trying to trust a new leak when the leak that correctly predicted D. Va, Malthael, and Stukov still hasn't been proven wrong yet?
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>>182462329
Maybe people are just sick of cancerous overwatch heroes and want to believe anything that doesn't say we're getting more overwtach.
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Friendly meta alert reminder that Malthael is no longer S-tier, merely A-tier.
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>nova always cloaking
>nova only stealing kills
>nova complaining about team
>nova always the lone survivor (didn't participate in team fight)

>stukov going solo
>stukov being shit healer
>stukov not silencing the right players
>stukov complaining about team

>tanks dying due to no support
>everyone dying due to dead tanks

These have been 85% of my games.
This is going to be a long week.
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>cho'gall in discount for gems
well fuck me i need 150 gems more
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>>182462735
Me unga too, bro. Team ALWAYS bunga.
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do i have to play 1 game a day to participate in the giveaway or actually win?
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>>182462946
Win. Ai games count.
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>stitches gorges me and walks behind wall
>swift strike right on out

mada mada
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>>182462626
Stukov just ruins his hopes and dreams. Valeera used to shut him down really hard with her silence but she's a garbage character and his AoE would cancel her stealth. Stukov is one of the best support characters ever and his instant ranged silence shuts him down so hard that even with 50 armor he goes down in a second.
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>>182463105
>Drops lurking arm at stitches feet

enjoy eating shit without your 3 escapes
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I can't tell if lurking arm is the best thing blizzard has done for the game in over a year, or the worst thing.

Leaning towards the good side because of how many heroes it not only makes viable, but how many characters it fucks over. Also the combo potential like mentioned here >>182463457

We also need Leoric Stukov best pals art
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>tfw leoric entombs their whole team and you drop the lurking arm

My dick can only get so hard
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>>182462010
play hearthstone
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>>182461080
>Zoning arm
>Team decides to set up a perimeter in front of it.
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>>182463810
I never understood why the Entomb upgrade gave it damage instead of a silence, or at least a silence for the first two seconds of Entomb.
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>>182463857
>play
>heartstone
pick one shill
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>Azmodan is only 2k gold now
when the fuck did this happen?
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>>182464664
the lakers traded him off the team
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>>182463673
I love it. Planting my Lurking Arm beneath Void Prisons, Devouring Maws, Gorges, Entombs etc. is all very profitable.
It's like a Silence variation on Malfurion's root.
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>>182462010
Maiev is a fucking cunt

why do people like her
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>>182464664
A few months ago along with Gazlowe, I think.

>>182464978
>muh generic fem nelf waifu
dunno
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>>182464978
Maiev is a cunt who:
A) Did nothing wrong.
B) Was completely correct.
C) Deserves my love.
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>>182465213
She was just running after some demonhunter's dick whole time
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>>182465323
Maiev is gay and loves Naisha.
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>>182465213
D)Would have gotten Tyrande killed if she had her way.
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>>182465213
>lied about tyrande's death
>stopped illidan from destroying the frozen throne
>blinded by revenge over false pretenses
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pst... anon... wanna know who the next hero?
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>>182461872
at least no stukov mirror match
you are the only one to shout GET OUT REEE
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>>182466237
pls
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>>182465915
God if only we could be so lucky.

>>182466148
Tyrande was pretty much as good as dead. Also, she deserved it for slaughtering the Watchers.
Illidan would've also caused Northrend to melt and drown 90% of Azeroth.
>False pretenses
Excusez-moi?
Everything Maiev did was right.
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>>182466307
SEX
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>3 losses in a row
>this always happens after i win 1 game
>had a 56% winrate but thats not allowed so now its rapidly declining

im piss
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post 'em
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>>182466934
What a cunt.
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>>182466934
Fresh...
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Stukov is so overtuned

I love playing him but they will 100 % nerf his healing output
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>tell ally to come to objective
>"DUDE ITS JUST QM IM JUST PRACTING MY SPLIT PUSHING LOL"
this game is giving me cancer
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>>182466934
>how to be a pussy 101
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>>182468730
>it's some retard without waveclear or relevant pve/structure dps

like I can understand Zag splitting to eat a fort/keep
but when tyrande is like hiiii we're level 10 and they're 9 but you can 4v5 obj gl :3
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>>182468859
hey I slapped a varian with abathur and stole the kill credit, I'm pretty good at not being total bitch
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>ask stukov why he only has 40k healing at 20m
>tells me he isn't going healing build
Only constant :^)
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>>182468679
He only gets out of control once you finish Vigorous Reuptake. Without that he's only about Lucio-tier.
Granted, Lucio-tier heals with his incredible AAs, push ult, and easy-access silence is a little much all together.
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>>182466934
I like Medivh a whole lot so far but all the games are on my friend's account when I did the OW event for them
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>>182468679
>>182469097
Lucio 2.0

way too strong of a support when released, will get nerfed until he is useless and then the Double Support/ pick Uther or else meta will come back
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>>182469092
Can't heal dead retard teammates.

Goes both ways bungaposter.
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>>182466934
Nova buffs when
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>>182469869
Wouldn't be dead if we had a healer.
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>>182468184
>522 games
Nice.

>>182469092
___________bunga
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>>182470028
Wouldn't be dead if you knew how to engage
>have healer
>better dive into their backline under full towers to get their 90% hp Morales
>dies
>ME BUNGA HEALER
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>Be Stukov
>Silence Hammer in Seige mode
>She literally cannot do anything to fight back

That's the funniest shit ever
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>>182470176
You were that stukov weren't you?
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>>182461242
>Kelthu'Zad
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>>182469786
I seriously hope they will be careful with the nerfs. his kit is so great and Im a Stukov fanboi anyway
pls blizzard
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>>182470254
wait can she not unsiege or use Z

holy
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>Play hots
>join game
>Genji in enemy team
>lose
>join another game
>genji in enemy team
>lose
>repeat
Why is he still ingame? Why to those cancer patients pick him in QM?
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>>182470423
She can unsiege.
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>twin blades does less sustained dps than colossus smash and doesn't even have the option of doing burst damage
what did the balance team mean by this?
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>>182470582
lmao fury is a shit spec
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>>182466934
Here roast me
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Everyone wants new characters and i just want Diablo to have his OWN banner. (Azmo too)
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>tfw bad with stukov
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>>182470457
>be braindead
>lose
Fucking blizzard
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ITT: Stukov buffs/nerfs that are needed

>flailing swipe should have a lower CD, maybe ~50 seconds
>increase TETSUOOO cooldown to 25 or 30 seconds
>his trait heals for far too much, maybe nerf it by 20-25% and lower the cooldown to compensate
>W build is absolute garbage, partly because the level 1 quest takes way too long to complete even if you are absolute god at skillshots
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>>182470841
>>W build is absolute garbage, partly because the level 1 quest takes way too long to complete even if you are absolute god at skillshots
yeah, it should be like half of what it is
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>>182470582
More attacks = more heals, better for camps and dueling
Also it does give MS, meaning better sticking to targets, meaning better duelist and more consistent DPS
Also it doesn't reduce his max health, so he won't explode -as- fast as CSmash going in
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>>182471140
>he unironically picks fury
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>>182471140
MS is a talent separate from that, the only benefit is that blades can keep the debuff indefinitely
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>>182470841
His W in general is trash that I forget to use half the time.
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>>182470841
W isn't that useful anyways. It's only good for killing someone that is trying to run away and you have to detonate it for that.
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>>182471278
I don't. I rarely ever even pick CSmash. I just explained why Fury is still better at blending someones face over time
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>>182471346
Movement speed you silly
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>>182471437
Mortal striking people indefinitely is only better versus certain heroes
In a lot of cases, arms will still outperform
And we're not even discussing how good the minus armour debuff is in teamfights
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does stukov have the strongest basic attack (not DPS) in the game? is colossus smash varian stronger?
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>>182466934
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>>182472257
find better waifus
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>>182472141
>does stukov have the strongest basic attack
Yes.
>tfw punching murky in his stupid fish face
So satisfying.
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>>182471346
Movement Speed, reading comprehension tells you as much if you reread that sentence.

>>182471645
That is a bonus, sure, but never an argument of mine in the first place.

That aside, mind showing me your math? Because it doesn't match up as far as I calculated, since frequent trait procs of Fury will always lead to higher dps compared to CSmash, regardless of which talents you take.
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>>182472301

Are you that cancerous LiLi faggot? My taste is fine.
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>>182472141
>does stukov have the strongest basic attack (not DPS) in the game?
Excluding the Butcher with a finished meat quest, yes.
>is colossus smash varian stronger?
Not per hit.
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what build are you guys running?
I've been trying this
https://www.icy-veins.com/heroes/talent-calculator/stukov#26.0!3122142
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>play specialist
>trigger your teammates
>trigger your enemies
>still win
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>>182470423
She can't use z but she can unseige
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>>182472531
Unless the butcher has abattoir and quite a few stacks he wont be hitting as hard as stukov.
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>>182472606
>playing the same build every game
B u n g a
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>>182472141
Strongest Attack, yes, but only 180-360 (20)dps, which is the third highest IF NO ABILITIES OR TALENTS factor in
CSmash does 188-372 (20) per hit, but has higher attack speed so he's got like 210-420 (20) dps
There's also High Kings Quest which adds 150 damage for CSmash, so you're at ~520 per AA at 20, for 600 DPS
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>>182472768
You wat?
Stukov's base AAs are 272 damage. Butcher, after completing the meat quest, has a base AA of 371.
NOBODY matches Butcher with a complete meat. He's ahead by a mile.
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>>182472768
that is the 'meat quest' he is referring to
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>>182472959
No, Abbatoir is a quest that adds more damage even after you finish stacking your 125 meat for 225 extra damage.
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Some cute facts about Diablo:
>she's wide
>the widest!
>extra fertile!
>can breathe fire!
>can't feel fear!
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>>182472896
shut the fuck up you autistic cunt i swear to god if you ever reply to me again with your low winrate i will report you
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>>182464978
>literally willing to do anything to keep Illidan's dick to herself
>tfw this will never happen to you
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>stukov is broken
>meanwhile, he'll be lucky to break 50 percent Winrate
I like him, and think he'll help with the stagnation of healers, but his awful ults and low mobility means he isn't even close to malrhael tier
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>double tap lurking arm
>it casts then cancels it
i wouldn't have to double tap if this game could handle more than 1 apm
also double tapping isn't a problem in try mode
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is haunting wave shit? fuck shit can't run away from anyone
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>>182473473
B I G A R M is a fine ult and there's occasionally right places for autistic flailing technique (not often though).
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>>182473473
Though I do think they should fix his 20s, I don't think you really need a ridiculous ult with that much healing + a silence on such a low CD.
I'm waiting till his build(s) is/are 100% sorted out before I really judge how powerful he is, consideriing everybody seems to have the opposite opinion.
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>>182473559
>play snu snu
>get stunned
>spam spin move
>immediately begins then cancels

Same thing with brainlet Samuro ult.

>>182473601
are we mobility crept yet
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>>182473602

It becomes a lot better with the level 20 talent, though by that point he won't get terribly much use out of it. Where as the level 20 talented version of bigarm is kinda meh and usually never occurs.
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>>182473601
Its a juke spell, so it's only as good as your ability to trick your enemy into either chasing the ghosts or into not chasing the ghosts so you escape in your running direction.

Do not use it as a liner run away tool
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>>182472931
>stukov at 20
469.6
>butcher at 20
262.8
>butcher with fresh meat stacks
481.8

It's a lot closer than you think.
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>>182473601

Throw haunting wave in one direction, run in different direction. If they chase ghosts keep running, if they chase you teleport to ghosts. If there are enough people around who are also competent enough to chase both then you are screwed. But usually 2 people running after you won't co-ordinate in time to pull it off so that usually only happens in a team fight.
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>>182473878
well main problem i have is
>cast it
>need to wait to be enough far away
>get killed while waiting to be more than 1 feet away from me
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>>182474497

you retards are completely discounting attack speed. Butcher has higher dps, even without meat.
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>>182475097
>not DPS
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>>182472345
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>>182475097
That wasn't what was asked retard.
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>>182475097
They're also not discussing dps, but single hit damage.
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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!
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>>182475097
And you don't read reply chains, yet think your worthless comment absolutely needed to be said anyway?
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Diablo heroes are most fun to play
Starcraft heroes are least fun to play
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>>182475293
Diablo heroes are all literally the most boring apart from Overshit.
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>>182475293
tychus and stukov are best heroes tho
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>>182475097
Not following but they're probably talking about individual hits, comrade.
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>>182475353
Nah
Diablo heroes are most fun
Warcraft heroes can be very fun or not fun
Overwatch heroes are fun to play, but not fun to play against
Starcraft heroes are generally plain boring Stukov may be an exception
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I noticed a bug in Blackheart's Bay with the total count of coins for team in the corner of the screen. Isn't the real number
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>>182475697
Diablo himself is the single most boring hero in the entire game so that alone should tell you enough.
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>>182475903
>single most boring hero
But that's Raynor or Morales
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Xul Scythes now are really fucking rad
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Just unboxed the LeChuck skin for Stukov, is he fun to play or just numerically good?
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>>182474721
cast it earlier then you fuck
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>>182476558
>from 100% to 0% in 2 seconds
how earlier?
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>>182476463
If you like healers playing ebola management sim can be fun, otherwise no
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>>182472931
>>182474497
Actually just tested it on the dummy and
>stukov at 20
574
>butcher at 20 with stacks
531

Evidently I don't understand how damage scales in this game.
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>>182476632
use your game-sense (spidey-sense) to realize that heroes are off the map and probably coming for your ass to start running before they initiate on you
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>>182476734
thanks you master spidey
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>>182476717
It's 4% of the previous level each level, not 4% of base damage each level, If I remember correctly
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>ping for help
>type in chat that if somebody doesn't come bot we're gonna lose both the keep and the fort
>entire fucking team rotates top
>lose the keep and the fort
>they flame me for losing the keep and the fort
who was in the wrong here
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>>182474721
Then your issue is just not having map sense and being too deep. Pretty typical of inexperienced splitpushers.
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>>182477242
>in before le me bung team unga amaraite bros xd
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>>182476858
Wait, does that mean butcher fluctuates depending on just how fast he gets his meat and his team levels? Fucking strange scaling.
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>tfw smacking a tracer with my thicc tentacle
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>>182477242
Me bunga team of course :)

without replay can't say, probably both
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>>182477356
I don't believe meat scales, it's a flat amount.
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>>182477356
No. Stacks are just a flat 225 damage increase.
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>promotion match
>level 89 player doing his placement on team
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>>182477576
>>182477614
Just goes to show I don't know my own main (I'm >>182468184 by the way)
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>tfw such a cheap kike that i create smurf accounts for the 1000 gems every time a new hero comes out to buy them and try there

maybe i should stop spending so much gold on rerolls
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>>182476463
fun as hell, expect a nerf tho
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Holy shit, Valla has a FAT ass.
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>>182475168
Wrong though.

Fury has 2.5 attacks per second, ergo one attack every 0.4s. Every third attack procs your Heroic Strike, so 1HS/1.2s = 0.83333s
Also, purely on AAs, at level 10 Fury has 103dmg/AA and 2.5AA/s, so he's at 257.5 damage per second from AAs, and Heroic Strike 187dmg/HS with 0.833HS/s equaling 164.14~ ability damage per second.

That's 421 DPS at 10, NOT 191.

For your Arms DPS, your AA damage is wrong again. It's 257 damage per AA and 1.2 attack speed, so 308 damage per second from AAs.
HS/sec are wrong again. As for HS/s calc, 7AAs for 14 sec CDR and 5.6s to land them all = every eighth attack also triggers a Heroic Strike, so it's actually 0.1785 HS/s, ergo 35.16 spell damage per second.

That equals ~343 DPS at 10, NOT 231 DPS. Fury has ~25% higher DPS and a much easier time to stick to targets due to the movement speed.

You completely failed to account for the 4% damage scaling on AAs, 36% at level 10, so it's way higher than you calculated, AND you somehow fucked up your Heroic Strike calculation.
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>>182478172
There is literally a trymode
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>one of the most popular HoTS players is a person who goes by the name of "nubkeks"

the absolute state of HoTS
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>>182478247
pics or didn't happen
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>>182478487
Never heard of him.
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>>182478487
who?
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>>182478283
>being this dense
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>>182478479
>trymode
thats not actually playing a hero though, you wont figure out anything except the basics by doing trymode
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>>182478670
Pig Orcs best Orcs.
Source?
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>>182478487
Literally who
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>Prime Evil Diablo
>Pirate Falstad
>Angry Red Cloud

Today is a good day.
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retard question: how can I save replays in webm format to post them here?

got some real funny shit for you guys but i cant figure it out.
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@182478670
It's ok, I didn't expect a Varianfag to show any sign of appreciation for being taught better, I'll still take your badly worded concession though. Also got a (you), so I'm good :^)
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>>182462735
this is more common that i'd like to admit
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unga bunga posting needs to go back to /lolg/
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>>182479229
The fact that people get so butthurt over just goes to show how true it is.

The simple fact is that sometimes it actually is bunga team, and sometimes it's your being the bunga, and more often than not in 99% of all the complaining greentext blogposts that happen, it's actually both.

Sad but true.
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>>182479229
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>>182479229
It doesn't belong there because unlike literally everything else related to that general it's actually good.
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>>182479562
>spam it for weeks now
>le u mad xd

Sad but true also nice reddit spacing kid.
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>Ping mercs
>"I am going to go grab these with my bribe stacks."
>Get halfway there
>Teammates engage the enemy team and start a 4v5 teamfight
>"Wtf why weren't you there?"
Ha ha ha me unga, team bunga. Right boys?
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>>182479823
>nice reddit spacing kid
>he says as he's himself reddit spacing
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>>182479824
>fallin for the bribe meme
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>>182479824
Correct.
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>>182479927
>Implying there's any other talent worth taking at that level as Nova
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>>182479824
>taking bribe
>ever
>when most meta heroes can clear a camp faster and not waste a fucking talent tier
unless you're murky you're a moron
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>>182479914
sad
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>>182479824
>play nova
>blame team
Make me think
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>>182475353

Diablo, Malthael and Auriel are fun
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>>182461387
I'd not even be mad as long as it had unique dialogue

>>182461538
Probius, Moralse, and Hammer all Original generation, though have all shown up in the Coop of 2 in a way
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should I get leoric or stukov

on one had, i think leoric is fucking awesome, but im trash at him

on the other, stukov is pretty good and fun but i know he's getting gutted next patch

what do my dudes
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>>182480137
>Implying it's not their fault for being retarded, regardless of whatever hero I was currently playing at the time.
I could've been Valla and nothing would've changed; they'd still engage 4v5 with ample warning of "Ugg. Me not there. Fight bad. Defense yes."
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>>182480273
How can you be trash with Leoric?
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>>182480307
>they didn't see you going for mercs
>you didn't see all nine other players in the game posturing for a fight
>ughh imma get dese mercs dun fight
>wow gg this team

maximum
overbunga
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>>182480008
>not taking decreased holo time and cost so you can One In The Chamber more regularly
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>>182461170
here's hoping the reaver is a grill
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>>182480307
Typical Nova player :)
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>>182480515
>they didn't see you going for mercs
Ping mercs.
>"[NOVA] wants to take this Mercenary Camp.
"We should capture these mercenaries."
NOVA: "I'm going to grab these mercs."
>you didn't see all nine other players in the game posturing for a fight
The enemy team was not posturing for a fight.
>ughh imma get dese mercs dun fight
>wow gg this team
Correct.

>>182480516
>Not getting Snipe Master because you can actually shoot things that aren't just Heroes now.
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>>182480575
>implying hybrids have genitals

Althought I wouldn't wonder if there is already a Kerrigan x Raynor x Hybrid futa
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>>182480516
>not snipe build every time

why
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>Genji first pick
>6 deaths, lower hero damage than our tank
>Always gets caught out trying to dive 1v4


Every single time
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>queue as xul
>2lane map
wtf i hate QM now
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>>182481143
>nuXul
Don't the issue here
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Murky in Quick Match is something else
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>>182481092
>me genji
>bunga
>they genji
>unga
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>hey let's do some quests, i got play 3 games as X class
>go to UD
>3 times last pick
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Instead of unga bunga let's discuss really important question:
Do D.va prefers zerg or protoss dicks?
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>>182481742
Not just any zerg, Ultralisk.
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>>182481716
Draft modes give credit for any quest for any pick. You can complete specialist quests for picking warriors etc.
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>last pick dude prepicks Jo
>we base our comp around the fact he's gonna pick her
>when it's his turn to pick he goes for Kael
Kael'Thas pickers are just as bad as Nova pickers at this point.
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>>182481742
she's kind of a size queen, she only goes for ultralisks or hybrids.

besides, aren't protoss canonically incapable of reproduction through sexual means?
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>>182482569
pls no bully fire man of large eyebrows
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>>182480741
>>182480896
>implying Snipe Master even at max stacks is better than OitC
Haha, not if you get all three autos off in a standard combo.
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>>182482569
SALAMI, ASH ALL OF NORWAY
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>>182482637
How the fuck protoss reproduce?
Their woman even got tits
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>>182464978
Most of the game she's next to Tyrande, which makes her look less cunty by comparison.
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>>182482830
probably with machines

they're advanced enough.
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>>182482946
So what did they do before they had all that technology?
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hey guys id like to try out ranked for the first time as soon as im home today

do you have tips for beginners?
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>>182483205
Try not sucking
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>>182483205
git gud
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>>182483205
first pick nova and leave the draft just when the last people pick their heroes so you waste the time of 9 others
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>>182483274
>>182483283
a-a-alright guys
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>>182483135
Budding.
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>>182483547
huh i though nova was a bad pick for ranked games
but okay then i really like playing her
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>>182483710
i hope youre joking
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>tfw no spooky

>>182483710
She generally is. Would recommend against playing her.

>>182483205
Don't argue with people, especially in-game
Try to avoid typing/talking too much
Always look back to see if there's something you could've done differently/better, even if what you did worked out
Focus on yourself
Relax
Have fun
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>winning team fight
>stukov pushes them all to safety
>>
So nice when you only have Jo as tank and the nigger picks the fucking jump ult that removes her from the battlefield, really smart move, dumb fucking shit
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>>182484198
>catch immobile squishy out
>Auriel/Lucio doots them to safety
>often don't even realize it
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>teammate is afraid to engage 2v1 when i land a good cc
>later walks straight in 1v3 to get a regen globe

i don't understand
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>>182484331
>playing vs auriel
>she gives me hope and pushes me to safety
Auriel is cute!
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Is it actually smarter to play ranked at night? No idea if that makes a difference but all the shit players are asleep r-right?
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Stukov is 100 % the support I never knew I wanted
please dont overnerf
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finally won a game as valeera. E build with crippling poison seems pretty good. ran out of energy like a fatboy though
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What the hell is the "proper" way to play sylvanas? I just played a quick game and ended with like 30k exp and 300k siege damage and my team is sperging at me for my "low hero damage" even though we won the game.
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>>182479971

I want to fuck gnar.
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>>182486113
Push with, not alone. Show up to team fights, but be prepared to run away or chase weak enemies.
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>>182486113
you can enable the objective for maximum value on alot of maps
dont push alone and go out too far

she deals a surprising amount of hero dmg if you play carefully, and can snowball harder than anything in this game
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>start a game
>halfway through drafting
>want to take a shit
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>>182461170
Isn't this hybrid? What the fuck he can even do? Like cast lightning and spit out zerglings?
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>>182487353
there are several varieties of hybrids in the game, but the most likely scenario is a cc-heavy tank like diablo, as seen in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_jHMxGkDLU

the other likely scenario is a mage with some kind of confusion ability or shields to reflect their protoss nature.
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>QM
>Stukov+Morales+Tassadar on the enemy team
>Like 300k+ combined healing
>Eventually win solely thanks to them going full retard

I want to die.
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>>182487787
Looks cool tho, I would be hyped if this true. Much better than another cancerous OW hero desu
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>>182488305
I wouldn't get your hopes up. the other leak has been right like 4 times in a row, so it's fairly likely we'll have kel'thuzad and my boy junkrat next.
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>>182466934

Tell me how glorious I am. REVEL IN IT.
>>
>promo to plat after win streak
>suddenly only get shitty teams
hmmmmm
>>
>Blackheart's Bay
>Team 47 kills. Enemy 28
>Advantage of 4 levels almost all the game
>Loss anyway
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>>182488440
>2 best baras + tsundere highlorde
r u gay
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do you guys exclusively play ranked? i cant go back to qm after seeing decent team work, pushing and soaking in ranked games......
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>>182488604
>decent team work, pushing and soaking in ranked games
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>>182488604
yes except if I'm silenced then I don't play at all
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>>182488440
>level 20
wish i had so much free-time. that takes like 15 hours to do for a single hero
>>
>Playing support in ranked cause nobody else will

I have major respect for everyone that mains a support now. Okay not for the commies but everyone else. That shit is stressfull
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>>182488604
yeah but right now I'm not to get heroes to lvl 5
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>>182488604
>play ranked for months
>decide to get drunk and do qms last night
it was a really fun experience. i forgot how good relaxed matches with nothing to lose were
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>>182469959
>Nova nerfs when
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>>182488761
I usually fill and from my experience people somehow hate playing tank much more. I often have to pick Arthas or Nerub or something because nobody else will, althought there is always someone who wants to play uther/auriel/rehgar and now stukov
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>>182488761
support is least stressful. You literally just follow teammates around supporting them
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>>182488604
I quit ranked after being placed in silver because it was the same shit as QM, but with ten times more stress.
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>>182469959
so many people I see in ranked with 300+ games as Nova...
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>>182488748
He's the only hero I have even close to that level. I have over 3 times as many games on him as Lunara. All my others are level 10 or lower. Mostly lower.
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>>182488935
its the role with highest level of responsibility
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>>182489013
I don't pick Nova in ranked because I am not retarded.
I do, however, quick meme the fuck out of my tight booty waifu.
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>>182488604
I wish I could, but my fun comes from playing with a buddy, so its unranked for me
feelsbadman
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>>182488560
I like strongfat chicks if that helps. Too bad this game has no strongfat chicks. I don't think any games have cool strongfat chicks.
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>>182489286
zyra
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>>182489356
How is Zyra strongfat? Unless you count getting slightly bigger when Leona hits her but that's like mini-GTS or something.
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So what rank would you end in if you win like 7/10 games when you first start the game?

I played in the beta and Season 1 but started again like 4 months ago and decided to try ranked again. Does it still keep my Beta/S1 ranking I had back then (Diamond) or does it start from fresh?
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>>182489356
You wish.

>>182489483
Depends, but probably low Diamond.
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>>182489089
But you can almost never fuck up as a tank even if you play less save as long as you won't go yolo in 5 man unlike with healer (not giving that instant heal in the right milisecond) or DD (getting deleted by 1 random stun) so the most safe role to pick (especially for noobs) would be tank, why are people afraid of that?
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>>182489356
I'm retarded and I just realized you meant Zarya. Too much strong not enough fat. She doesn't even have an ass on most of her skins, including default.
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>>182489757
I'd still fuck her.
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>>182489901
Me too. She just needs a better hairdo.
Or better yet, just bulk Li-Ming up and make her strongfat. My dick would be diamonds.
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>>182490038
She'd be boring without the hairdo tbqhwyf.

Why would they bulk Li-Ming up? If anything they'd do it to Sonya.
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>>182490038
Leave Li-Ming alone pls.
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>>182490172
>>182490178

It doesn't have to be official, chill. Just fansmut.
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>>182489457
>Unless you count getting slightly bigger when Leona hits her but that's like mini-GTS or something.
wait what
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>>182490478
It's an easter egg. It's still in the game. Because sunlight makes plants grow and stuff.
https://youtu.be/neLeoUl70tc?t=77
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>it's a you're carrying your team and suddenly they start throwing and blaming you episode
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>>182466934
>When will they stop nerfing my bug
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>>182491037
>That hideous Kael skin
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>>182490038
do you like to be dominated by strong women?
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>>182491163
Of course. My favorite part is when they heal for 20% of their max life after killing someone.
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samuro viable in ranked?
>>
>Play Rehgar
>Dont go in
>Why arent you going in
>Go in
>What the fuck you are a healer

Seriously though? This is not even bronze this is gold?
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>>182491793
Surfboard, my dude!
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>tfw have 7 legendary horses from boxes

the jews will pay for this
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>>182491793
Warring Kingdoms Arthas ofc
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>>182491840
this works also

>>182491807
yes, be on camps pretty much 24/7
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>>182491158
>Implying he has good skins
>>
>>182482192
i know that dummy. i just didnt sign up to fill as a tank 3 games in a row with shitty comps
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>>182491807
every hero is "viable" until somewhere in masters desu
>>
anyone here who didnt get the surfboard
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>>182492062
>All his skins are ugly so I'll use the ugliest one as a funny joke

Also

>Not just using his master skin
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>>182492062
His superhero skin is cool! COOL!
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>>182492331
>master skin
this man gets it
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>>182462735
we're all in the same boat
>>
Why is Chen popular all the sudden? He fucking sucks.

>Flying kick
>Keg
>Flame
>Drink and do fuck all nothing gaining a shield for all the NOT FOCUS for the next 4 seconds
>Entire team fight moves past him
>Take shitty three pandas ult instead of "I WILL NOW HAND YOU A HERO TO KILL"
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>>182492537
>Actually earned my master skin when it was "worth" something
>now everyone has it

Is there actually anything to show your skill with a hero in this game anymore?
>>
>>182493858
What? There never was.

>I have the master skin it means I'm good
lol?
>>
>>182493858
Just the giant target on your head when you taunt, if level=skill.
>>
>>182493858
you need validation? try your mum lul

for real, skins are just that - way of changing your heroes appearance to something you like
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>>182493858
Gathering 10k gold and playing like 30 matches isn't "showing your skill".
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>>182489703
Bad tanks are glaringly obvious. Tanks are about knowing what is a good engagement. They will chase like a retarded illidan or act like the entire team should be harassing under an enemy fort while there's no reason to fight.
>>
>>182493858
Yes. Kick people's asses with it.
>>
>>182493858
This type of fucking logic I cannot understand. It'd be like people getting asshurt at overwatch limited skins becoming available all year long. Oh no more options for free how fucking tragic.
>>
every third game is bhb. where's my braxis and dragon shire? unranked obv
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Buffs when?
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>>182495910
Never hopefully. He seems balanced from what I've seen.
>>
>>182495910
two good skills couldn't carry him?
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>>182495910
he enables KT, Kerrigan and Jaina something fierce, wait until people find out about it.

Stukov Kerri Jaina new meta
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>Kael takes Convection
>Still hasn't completed it at level 20
>>
>>182482637

As are the swarm.

Primal zerg likely breed but the "corrupt" zerg just make clones of a genetic template using biiomass
>>
HOW TO SPOT A KID
>stealing kills
>constantly complaining
>giving up
>ignoring objectives
>thinks every hero is dps
>>
>>182495910
you mean nerfs, right? l2p lul
>>
>>182496647
>stealing kills
>>
>2 lane maps
>>
>>182496647
Spotting them isn't good enough. You have to do the community a service by reporting them.
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>>182496709
Rag+(The bad) Azmo level 1 quests.
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>>182496795
>1 lane map
>>
>>182496949
>0 lane map
>Teams just stare at each other menacingly for 20 minutes
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>>182496647
>stealing kills
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>>182496905
I don't play Azmodan but you can finish Rag's quest in like five fucking minutes on minions.
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>>182496647
>stealing kills
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>>182493858
Having #1 Grandmaster

:^)
>>
So is Stukov just godlike right now?
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>literally never
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>>182497714
He's very good.
>>
>"diamond" games
>1-6 on stukov in HL
>blow the enemy team away and outheal their damage in every game
>ez ult silences
>0 risk of dying outside cc
>team still finds a way to lose

I don't get it. Stukov is busted as fuck and my teams can't even take advantage of it.

I'm going to kill this dude's winrate by myself. Feels bad.
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>>182497714
He's ok.
>>
>>182497840
The real bunga is you, friend
>>
>>182497783
I can agree with his statement.

But yea fuck losing mmr because someone got disconnected and the StarCraft system basically ensures that any disconnect time is doubled due to "catching up"
>>
>>182497714

He's shit
>>
>>182497783
This won't stop people from passively inting but a'ight.

>loss forgiveness
Nice. Hope we see this or remakes.

>his first post
hehh
>>
>>182497783
cucks need to stop consider and do something already
>>
im getting tired of that fat fuck stitches. every game features him. he's more impactful than malth and genji now. first ban material.
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>>182497958
>the StarCraft system basically ensures that any disconnect time is doubled due to "catching up"
I fucking hate this. Why is this a fucking thing? Doter just reconnects you instantly, no need to wait ten minutes to reconnect.
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>>182498279
he has changed very little
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>>182498545
Yeah, surprising how meta shifts can make certain heroes better or worse without changing them in any way.
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>>182498279
Hooks were ALWAYS good, but there were more reliable methods of lockdown for a long ass time. As new heroes are added and reworks come in, old busted ass heroes like Stitches come into the meta with next to no buffs.

I predict that heroes that fell off like Lucio, Tyrande, ETC, Muradin, will come back into the meta with little or no changes naturally as the roster and map pool increases.

It's one of the reasons why Blizz doesn't just hand out buffs, because usually heroes are perfectly fine and are either drafted wrong or utilized poorly by pretty much everyone and skews statistics.
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>>182498473
Starcraft 2 back then didn't have a reconnect feature, which ruined quite a few tournaments thanks to the NO LAN shit. The engine wasn't built with reconnect in mine, so blizzard had to jury rigged the replay system into it (basically you watch the replay at 8x speed to catch up with the game then the server sync you back in). HotS is using the sc2's engine so it suffers the same fate.
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>Tassadar
>Illidan
>Memeslug

You decide what I pick.
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Just to be clear, people that enter the mines as soon as they open up and leave the merc camps for the enemy team are retarded, right?
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>when your team doesn't know how to ban or draft
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>>182499616
yeah, unless you're 18min into the game
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>>182499616
>Constantly explain this shit to my friends
>"BUT THE BOSS GOLEM, MAN? IT'S FREE SKULLS!"

Yeah.
BUT THE MERCS > GOLEM EARLY GAME, NIGGA
GET THE MAJORITY OF THE SKULLS AND BAIL FOR MERCS
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>>182499616
Fuck Haunted Mines. People already have a hard time having "objective good, ignoring objective bad" drilled into their skulls, let alone with a map that's an exception for no reason.
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>>182499616
maybe when they fix the sapper camp bug
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is there any guide on what heroes I should pick for certain comps? Just played some ranked game and dudes say pick w/e you want. Then I get flamed for picking a dps with no cc
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>>182498645
tfw you played slam stitches before it was fotm
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>>182499648
>tfw when neither do you
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>Guy flames me for picking Greymane in to Valeera
>Immediately goes on tilt screaming that I'm just going to feed her
I don't understand.
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>>182500535
just mute tards
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Xul is chill as fuck. Why isn't he an announcer?
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>ban valeera first picks chromie
>happens 3 times in a row and they are different people
those are the blizzard 50%ers, right ?
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>>182500535
some people just rage over nothing senpai
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Piercing Lash is fucking amazing

>Aegis my assassin
>Heal him after and he runs
>3 dudes chasing him
>Lash them
>Chain all 3 faggots to the wall
>We turn around and blow them up
>Win off this

God damn I love this hero
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>>182502352
Why are Auriel's skins all garbage?
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>>182502403

Yeah, that's her only flaw, I cycle through the defaults. Putting a mask on her is dumb and using the demon skins is for heathens.

Actually HOTS in general suffers from a lot of people having shit skins. They need to make another mech pack, those skins all are fucking awesome.
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>>182502576
>More mech shit

Please no. Don't turn into Riot.
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>>182502576
even the default skins are garbo desu
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>>182502751

But. I'm not wrong. Space Lord Leoric, Mecha Dehaka, those are some of the coolest skins in the game.
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>dude don't pick X it won't work and we're gonna lose
>hurf durf shut up nob
>we lose
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>dude don't pick X it won't work and we're gonna lose
>hurf durf shut up nob
>we win
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>>182503395
>dude pls i literally can't support
>locks medivh
>dies ten times
Not upset about the loss just wonder what went through his head.
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>>182502850
Only one I really hate is mecha Tassadar, and that's mostly because it's Transformers as fuck. Make it Gundam, MechWarrior, Getter Robo, Power Rangers, even fucking Gotcha Force. Transformers are the lamest mechs that aren't Cubix.
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I think I have autism, when I lose I beat my head against the walls
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>>182502850
>>182503678

Also I'll fucking cum my pants if they give a skin all Virtual On recolors. Gimme a Temjin, Raiden, and Cypher/Viper2 palette please.
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>>182503678
>No Bionicle Tassadar skin
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>>182503830
Nah man. You'll get Yellow/Red, Blue and EVA01.
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>>182503854
Bionicle mechs would be 10/10 if the masks didn't look silly as fuck. The Bohrok were cool though.
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>>182503990
>tfw his master skin looks more like Raiden than the red mecha skin does

Feels bad.
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>>182504295
For comparison.
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>>182502751
>>182502850
>>182503678
this would be sweet tho
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>>182461443
Firebat
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>>182504749

Pretty much anything from ZOE minus the literal cockpits would be god like
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>>182505264

Minus the robo dick, this would make a pretty awesome Auriel skin
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>tfw booty coffers not confirmed
my heart
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>>182466934
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>>182502576
I like her Sakura skin
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>>182497783
Not the hero we deserve, but the one we need.
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>>182497783
I lost count on how many times someone say:
>We should just give up and let them win, gg
And then we beat them at our core and go for the victory.
Still don't know why people feel defeated 6 minutes in
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>Syl
>Go for tribute
>Team is completely bunga
>They get wiped the fuck out
>No one on the other team is weak
>E the fuck out of there
>Go defend a fort and try to catch up to their feed xp
>PING PING PING PING
"WOW LOOK AT THIS SYLVANAS ISN'T WITH US! REPORT HIM PLEASE"
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>>182508136
its just retarded kids
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Is DVa really really strong? I just defended solely against a Varian, Stukov and Jania at my core until my team spawned back and won the game
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>>182508136
>Still don't know why people feel defeated 6 minutes in
Seeing your teammates flounder around in a team fight clearly having no idea what they are doing then dying doesn't instill much confidence in them.
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>tfw people never use the taunt
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>tfw Garden of Terror makes me miss BHB
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>>182509049
>uncancellable
Shit got be killed in quickmatch, I unbound it after that.
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Q build is RAD on Xul but also BAD Except on Braxis when LOSING And Shrines
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>>182509049
>tfw taunting at everyone as Abathur
>it's also the highest level taunt effect
Always do it to Medivhs who fly around me. Always makes them try to dive me right after so it's easy to not die to it
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>>182509049
>it still stuns you
hahaha why

I've literally seen one person use it. Once.

He died immediately after because nice fucking feature. (that nobody fucking uses)
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>get stukov
>100% lose rate
so i was the bunga all along
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tfw not allowed to win games
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>>182511946
don't play Murky and expect to win
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>>182500418
shoo shoo unga bunga poster
they banned butcher first and guldan second then last picked tyrande (as our only support) into tracer and lili.
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>>182511946
Of my last 40 games I've probably won about 10 of em too. Breddy gay.
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has anyone won any summer stuff yet
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I don't think I've ever seen a game where the vast majority of the players doesn't understand basic mechanics like drafting or not standing in front of Varian if you are squishy as fuck
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>>182512910
>when your team tries to kill Stitches instead of the full meat Butcher
*BUNGLE INTENSIFIES*
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>>182512532
>tracer and li li
Was this UD or Bronze league?
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>>182513146
I GOT ME A NEW PAIR OF BONGOS BECAUSE THE BUNGA RHYTHM IS GROOVING TONIGHT
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>>182512832
Yes.
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>>182512532
>they banned Butcher
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>>182513525
To be fair to counter butcher you need to coordinate as team which pretty much never happens in low ranked games.
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>>182514285
To counter butcher you mostly just have to walk away from him. But yes, in low ranked games that is still a skill outside most peoples grasp.
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this ranking system is fucked up, there is no way I'm as bad as 3/4 of the people I encounter
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>>182499648
>Team drafts 3 warriors
>Win
>Other team doesn't Tychus or Malth

Okay.
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>>182515558
>other team drafted 3 warriors
>no one on my team drafted Tychus
>I'm last pick
>we don't have a support

:^)
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>>182515460
Play more. Bunga aside people get placed anywhere between Silver and Diamond based on how well they did in unranked/qm prior to queuing ranked.

>Master promos
>nigga dies 18 times
>check, he's d3 with 15 games played
>most of which are losses
ebin system eh
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I mostly win while playing support but i'm still on the fence about buying stukov.
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>>182500250
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UcCfVB9vs9rmfA6Bko6nX4SmoOC_CHdVP8QaIQd61Xo/mobilebasic

https://gfe.gg/news/post/understanding-draft-part-1
https://gfe.gg/news/post/understanding-draft-part-2

All of them are slightly out of date but the general principles still apply, and if you understand the general principles of what the guy is talking about and you understand the characters you play you'll be able to extrapolate for newer characters as well. Understanding your characters is mainly an issue of getting used to them and/or watching better players play them.
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You get the opportunity to insert your most hated hero into another MOBA and be deleted forever in HotS. Which game now has to deal with said hero with stats and mechanics adjusted appropriately?

>Dump Genji into LoL to see scrub tears and eventual nerf obliteration.
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>>182516029
>play literally all day
>didn't see gengi once
Weird feeling.
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Is Stukov OP enough to carry idiots or am I still better off playing a strong assasin/bruiser?
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Suck there isn't no Varian announcer. Of course Greymane for a time did stay with the nightelves so it kind of makes sense.
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Holy fuck this game's models are impossible to extract properly.

>try method to import direct to Blender
>script crashes on import for no good reason, readme's FAQ on it reads like Jack Chick with schizophrenia and doesn't help
>spend 3 hours downloading 3DS Max to use a more reliable plugin
>it works, except the UV Maps, which are gigantic
>creator of plugin says "just scale 'em down bro", but UV Maps are still hideously misaligned even when shrunk in unison, and are at some weird ratio like 17.43453469x intended size or some shit and not something sane like 16
>can't even align them manually without it looking like Ed Gein's latest victim
>textures extracted by plugin are insanely low-res for some reason too

I could've wasted this whole night playing HotS but I wasted it downloading software that I never intend to use in the name of trying to make shit with its models and failing miserably. Now I'm kinda fucking mad.
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If you include the butcherlisk and infested Tychus, is an all-zerg team viable in the current state or are Zagara, Kerriga, and Abathur in shuch a shit place that Stukov and Dehaka couldn't possibly carry hard enough?
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>>182516298

Auriel annoucer WHEN
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I don't get tilted easy but losing this many games is really starting to grind my god damn gears.
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>>182516504
why were ya trying to extract the game's models dirty boy
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>>182516537
Is it up against another theme team like Thrall, Rehgar, Guldan, ETC (or Rexxar), Zuljin?

Cause in that case maybe.

If against a competent draft team? No, its probably not viable
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>>182516754
Smut. Li-Ming smut.
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>>182516178
Support will never be impactful enough to solo carry if your team is bad. If your tank can't peel you'll get focused instantly, if your dps don't attack the right characters then nobody will die, even if you give infinite sustain.

If you're playing with turboshitters who don't even understand soaking properly then I guess a versatile support like Rehgar who can waveclear, solo merc and still do his primary job can carry. if you have a half decent tank then keeping them alive regularly usually forces the rest of your team to fall behind you guys allowing you to deathball better than the other team, but in talking bronze level shitters here. Someone like stukov who shines when he has teammates who actually pay attention to all his disables/CCs still requires teammates who aren't retarded which is kind of a winmore situation. So bruiser is still probably your best hard carry option assuming you're surrounded by mouthbreathers
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>>182516592
I don't mind losing. What I do hate is being put in lots of games where our side has a troll/afker. Half the time I am forced to tank/heal while the retard dps throw the game.
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>>182516948
Yeah Rehgar is the only support i've managed to reliably carry shitters with. He's great.
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>>182516872
Don't give up
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>>182516948
Or, if the case ever existed that a support could be impactful enough to carry, it would be first ban anyway, then nerfed at the next patch.

I'd suggest a good bruiser like this guy said, or alternatively, if you're a good enough pusher you can sometimes just force your team to win. Requires you to still team fight occasionally though, otherwise your just contributing to the problem.
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>>182517153

You can carry shitters with Auriel if you go for her damage talents.

Of course it depends on the match up, take blind for example when you need too.
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>>182516537
Stukov / Dehaka / Tychus are in pretty good spots for support/tank/dps

Aba could work in flex depending on map. Kerrigan on infernal shrines. Not sure about the bruiser role though since Kerri is too squishy. Zag might work in flex since decent teamfight but still not enough front line in that case. Butcher takes too long to get stacks.
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>>182517176
I don't even know what to fucking do. My smutlust is too strong but my patience for dealing with shitty plugins and inconclusive Google results is too weak. :(
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>>182517283
I kind of suck with Auriel but admittedly i haven't played her a bunch.
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>>182517240
I love how every faggot says just carry as dps. Lets forget your team has the same agenda, and does not give a fuck if it ruins the team comp. Ideally yes dps is the most impactful except your team won't just let you have your way without kicking/screaming.
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>>182460965
>people still play this shit
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>>182517605
Better than LoL and Smite. I'm too lazy to get back into DotA after not playing since Oracle release. This is the only alternative. It scratches the itch and has some undeniably unique characters.
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>>182517283
Nah m8, auriel with shitters has to be the most frustrating thing in the world. The healer who straight up is the best in the game, hypothetical unlimited energy and heals in a 2s cd if talented but if you don't have a good hat target (or more likely a hat target who sucks at their character) then you're stuck talenting for the tank to absorb dmg to give you energy (which still requires having a skilled tank) or attacking by yourself, which means playing way below what is optimal or efficient
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>>182517714
>Dota

They fucking ruined it. Again, somehow. It's actually worse than Strife now if you can believe that.
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>>182517387

She's worth the learn

>>182517767

All you need is one battery, literally just ask your team who can play Valla, Zul'Jin or Gul'dan or something.
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>>182517605
I reinstalled lel after quitting at the start of S3, made a costume game just to check my options, configure keybinds etc and once I saw all the new items + masteries + runes I just closed and uninstalled it. I have 0 interest in either going one trick pony with one champion or reading like 50 guides to know how to play all the heroes. I'm a fucking casual, sue me, I'm having fun with hots.
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>>182516872
Godspeed.
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>>182517908
>all you have to do is attack heroes
>just...fucking ignore the minions let someone else do em, and you'll keep me topped off on energy and I'll keep everyone topped off on heroes
>no that doesn't mean go ham you're still a squishy backliner
>I have no energy because they run from every fight and blow all their cds on forts and walls

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's just so rare for me to find people who can actually play back line assassins well despite them being dps "mains"

I always get the super aggressive Lunaras with deaths in the double digits, the super cowardly Cassias with less hero damage than the support, or the split pushing Vallas with highest siege dmg and zero hero dmg. I basically only queue up as Auriel when I play in a two or threestack with friends I know don't suck at being batteries.
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>>182518027
I still play LoL from time to time its really not that complicated. Half the new items are kind of meh anyways. Knowing just to play your character is good enough. Still I don't recommend playing a lot of it due how bad it does get.
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>>182518280
Thanks anon.
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>>182517380
There's some lewd content of her model out there, maybe ask the people who made them for it?
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>>182518935
It's worth a shot. I don't really know where to start as far as artists but I'd prefer the original model over any nude mods or anything if that's important.
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>>182461443
I wanted a Marauder hero but Muradin fits the bill perfectly by being an unkillable cc machine.
Firebat is the only way to go.
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>>182518617
Yes, I used to played it excessively but it got frustrating really fast due to slow / shitty balancing and constantly new powercreep OP heroes being introduced. And the whole enforcing a meta thing for the sake of e-sport just killed it for me. Sadly hots seems to be going the same direction but I don't notice it as much since I play really casually.
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Wait a minute is Garden of Terror missing a bunch of bushes? There's the one at mid keep and the one from top/bottom lane to the big terror
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>>182516504
just scale 'em down bro

also why didn't you play hots AND download software
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>>182519519
no
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>>182516504

Can you show us what it looks like anyway?
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>>182519640
That's strange, I wasn't sure if the Nydus I was putting down were invisible or not and there was no icon that showed whether I was invisible when I stood where the bushes were supposed to be
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>>182519896
brush was taken out of some maps months back, like in dragon shire and sky temple
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>>182519762
Maybe tomorrow. I gotta go to bed and I've wasted enough time on this shit tonight anyway.
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rate/hate

Universal Carrier gets shit on a bunch here but I tried it out to see if it was as bad as people say and I found way better success with it than Pox Populi for burst heals. If you always hit one person (easy to do since the projectile for your E has the fucking smallest hitbox known to man despite being really huge) and farm the level 4 talent ASAP you can just put a heal on somebody, let it stay forever, and when anyone gets low panic and press D. Then, immediately put another heal on somebody since you haven't used your Q in a while. Makes it so you can spam the DoT heal (which is already pretty underwhelming, the loss of the 60% heal isn't that bad since it doesn't effect the pop heal) while effectively removing mana hunger. Popping D heals for like 600-800 and that on a 5 second cooldown potentially is fucking crazy
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>carried myself from 5 to 1
>play all night
>only trash team
>back down to 3
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>>182521430
this is actually a good build but go fetid touch for level 1, the cooldown is more important than AOE slows if you want max heals
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>>182521430
bio kill switch heals closer to 1,500 with the talent
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>>182517503
the most impactful hero is actually warriors since they can initiate, dpses are usually made out of origami and crumple into bits if somebody sneezes on them. the massive wall of meat running in stunning people allows them to actually do things
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>blizzard finally makes a good solo support for once
>finally we might see variance of healers because there's more than 2 good ones
>people are going to complain he's way better than the shit healers
>he will get nerfed into the ground and we'll go back to cycling between uther and rehgar
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>>182523003
the most impactful heroes are melee assassins but require good tank and support to enable them.
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Complete and utter trash.
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>>182523243
This will happen for sure. I wish they just slightly buffed the healing on all the bad healers and/or small changes to things that specific healers are having trouble with
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>>182497783
He won't be director forever, just like they replaced the previous one they'll do to him.
And the next will add the surrender.
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>>182523243
so lucio again? haven't seen that guy in forever
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>>182484797
That's the problem, if you have to play certain hours to find good matches, it means that the game is dying.
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What the fuck.

My game crashes, and when I try to rejoin the match, I get in and I can't move or hit any keys. I'm stuck looking at my character sitting in place, and my hotkey bar is blank and I can't do shit besides open the menu, quit to desktop and try again.

I'm in a loop here, and I'm going to get a quit penalty for something that's not even my fault.
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>>182524137
It's less that and more "the mentally ill children currently saturating normal play hours have gone to sleep" except you're shit out of luck since it's summertime which means there will always be a supply of them 24/7 until September
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>>182524631
Are you playing on a toaster?
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>>182523243
He's miles ahead of the other supports but that's their fault for making everyone so "niche" that they're good for nothing.
Like Tyrande isn't a solo healer but I don't know how they expect her to do her thing when her cooldowns are through the roof unless she walks into range and then she doesn't heal herself anymore so maybe half her healing can go towards her target.
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>>182525814
She's supposed to more melt targets and followup on stuns to 100-0 someone with her team.

I almost wish they'd remove her heal altogether but I think people would still try and pick her as a solo support
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In what situation do you draft Zarya? I get that theoretically she hits as hard as an assassin, can shield self/allies, is technically a bruiser/support hybrid but don't see how she fits.

Like you want a comp to be what, ranged dps, tank, healer, bruiser, flex, where the bruiser is usually an off tank with sustain to take the heat off the tank while still being able to deal good damage, and flex depends on map but is either a dps counterpart to what you have (sustained AA vs ability burst), second support, niche specialist, objective enabled, etc but for all her potential Zarya doesn't seem to fit into any of those. Does she default get pidgeonholed into being a JOAT flex?
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>>182524813
Even if bad players are online, the rating they get should be so bad that they only play among themselves.
Having them on your team means that matchmaking is not working, or there aren't enough players near your skill or you are as bad as them.
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>>182508136
They usually are the type of idiots that want to team fight over soaking with a very fps mindset of getting kills over and over again.
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>>182526061
Fantastic poke but AAs are short range
No sustain and not durable enough to be a front line bruiser til late game
Not mobile enough for tanking
Niche secondary support since only has a friendly shield on long cd though can be talented to do a lot of things
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>>182526137
Maybe, but there's a difference between bad players who nuked their MMR while first learning but still try, and psychotic children who immediately begin flaming and feeding or afking because they can't handle hit getting their way.

My team is shit but still civil and communicative, whatever, I'll still have fun and learn and the nature of the game means comebacks are always possible., especially since none of us are fantastic players and the other team is always capable of throwing. Otoh, one fuckhead gets tilted and immediately starts throwing a temper tantrum because he can't cope with things not going his way and the entire team is basically fucked and the pointless shitflinging detracts from performance as a whole.

desu I find it legitimately baffling that many of these people are probably grown ass adults who should know that running their mouths gets nothing done and yet still do it like they're schoolage children. Or the passive aggressive ones for that matter. Like yeah bud, you're real clever, very subtle, you must think everyone you play with is simple if you don't think people can tell you're passive aggressively shittalking.
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but why
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I'm a bit confused on how One Good Spread works. Does it keep track of how often it spreads though casts or does it all have to be on one cast?
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>>182526908
These are the whales that support the ftp gaming industry famalam. The goys that buy prime access for a fancy loading screen, or hats or lootboxes for no tangible reward.

It's insane to me, but it's not really any different from sinking hundreds of dollars into some other hobby if you have a normal job and financial security.
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>join game
>"stukov needs nerf, too op, heals a lot"
>explain how his healing and cc is actually still worse than uther and that more good healers are needed so there's more variety at high level play
>"no his heal is better than malf's he needs a nerf"
glad blizzard listens to their shit redditor fanbase
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>>182526908
>thousand dollars
>for a bunch of tints

Eh, I don't know. Finished my collection of heroes a while ago and have the vast majority of skins that I like. Only thing really missing, I suppose, is a couple expensive mount tints.

Spent $5 on Abathur when I started and $2.17 on the old starter pack because I thought Jojo would look nice on the armored horse.
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When is Tyrael good? He's one of the only tanks I don't really understand. Arthas is good against melee just turning on his E and making roots for people to follow up Diablo basically removes their frontline or after 16 can dash to the backline and dash back with them, anub'arak is a stun god and stitches has his hook, but Tyrael I don't get. Like he doesn't do all that much damage and his shields are kinda low. Obviously sanctification/holy ground is great but that comes really late.
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>>182527285
His CC is pretty incredible. Silence is outrageously strong and it covers a pretty large area. The most obnoxious thing is that hammer is free this week and she has free reign of everything because you can't move in to stun her or blow her up because you need to get through that silence field first.
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>>182527523
i don't play him much but isn't he meant to be incredibly in-your-facey with his mobility and potential suicide bomb if you decide to kill him. i feel like he'd be good in double tank or with a bruiser who can frontline
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>>182512307
>tfw 80% wr as murk
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>its a "feeding grandmaster zuljin" episode

Maybe it is better if I'm too shitty to get out of diamond, at least I wouldn't get matched up with that idiot.

No idea how that guy made it.
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>>182503513
>tfw fapped to her at least 20 times
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>>182527285
>
to be fair, he has a fuckin' aoe 50% heal ancestral healing for 30 mana every 16 seconds. That's at level 1 with no talents lel
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>>182528679
Who?
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>blizzard confirms 150% price increase on new & seasonal items
aaand reddit turns assmad cause their last hope of price reduction of event items after 2 weeks was crushed.
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Does blinding diablo make him miss empower sulfuras since it's spell damage?
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>>182530526
I'm pretty sure Diablo will always miss empower sulfuras, since can't use it
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> Decide to have some fun and play quickmatch

>enemy team has a stukov, and mine doesn't

>0-5 when the enemy team has a stukov, and mine doesn't

>realize i can predict a win/loss depending on if my team has a stukov or not

How the fuck are they releasing heroes this broken? Seriously. I quit league because of this stupid shit, but fucking (((blizzard))) is releasing broke shit ,cashing in on shekels, and making us play with the bullshit
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>>182530610
oh right

I should probably sleep
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>>182530717
I prefer it to shit like Lunara taking a year to be useful, or in Overwatch where they just release shit characters with no change on the meta so it stays stale
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>>182530796
Literally every quickmatch game is decided by who has the better stukov. when i play chromie he fucking outheals my damage. Legit 50k healing at 10 minutes if not more... who thought this shit was ok. not to mention this nigga auto attacks for 270 at level 1....
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ha.....ha.....ha....ha
ha
ha
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>>182531285
what're people even mad at him about, yeah spending 1k on hots is dumb but he's kinda right that the shard prices and loot box quality is shit. Although I don't know why he spent 1k knowing that
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>>182531540
he started to insult others for having a different opinion and they insulted him back
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>>182531916
>and they insulted him back

So he's upset about getting (You)s? Redditors are truly subhuman.
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>>182532057
The problem with Reddit is that downvotes are anti-(You)s. Here on 4chan, there are only (You)s so saying stupid things is only a net positive.
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Do you always go full Q with Azmo or is trait good too? When do you decide which to do?
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>>182532146
you're a nigger you know that?
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>>182532967
Yes, I do my fellow Negro.
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>>182532835
laser when i have the chance to bumrush forts
Q for long fucking maps where i have to teamfight and can get 50000 stacks of tfb
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>>182533105
>laser build
lol
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>>182533185
but laser build is actually good sometimes
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>>182533267
yeah.
when your other 4 team mates win the game themselves, carry your ass and you could be any hero sitting in lane all game long and still win.
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>>182533185
It's shit 9/10 games but it can hail marry a win if the enemy fucks up, which is always a possibility in HL. If you have absolutely no faith in your team, it's an option.
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>>182533340
>thinking all you do is sit in lane with laser
nice bronze status you've revealed
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>>182526908
4 u
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>>182533434
>defending laser
>calling others bronze
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Is Lava Wave still good on Braxis or did they nerf it too much
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>play leoric
>have a bit of a fun, a good laugh, he's a great guy
>after the score screen, the memories start flooding back in
>try not to cry
>cry a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvlQ3kOou0
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>>182534206
I miss the boner king too. ;_;
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>>182527523
Despite how generally weak his AAs are, you can talent him for burst which actually makes him a decent bruiser in certain comps. He's def more of a lategame hero but can still main tank since he has heavy zoning at 16 and Sanctification is an amazing heroic. Innate spell armor doesn't hurt either.

You're right about him not playing like any of the other tanks, I think he really complements a hyper aggressive dive comp--between smite boosting speed, (poorly) shielding other dive heroes and holy ground zoning. Plus both heroics are viable depending on the situation.

He's in a weird place atm I think, because despite having a pretty good kit (terrible trait notwithstanding), the current meta doesn't seem to really allow him to synergize well with a lot of other characters, especially since he doesn't have the standard "intiate stun/root/isolation to allow followup stun for ability blowup" (aside from Judgement) that a lot of the other good tanks seem have.

that said, we seem to be moving towards a dive meta and I think he might see a bit of resurgence the way Stitches has recently. He seems to have good synergy with Stukov as well.
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>>182534206
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>>182532835
laser build is fun for shits and giggles but chances are if you're close enough to use it on structures you're going to get ganked (or the other team is really bad and doesn't know how to deal with afk splitpushing)

Azmo's decent because of the constant pressure he can apply with trait and demon warrior, pushing multiple lanes simultaneously, (while still remaining fairly safe) and not the 25% extra damage he gets on buildings from the laser. Laser's pretty worthless in teamfights too since it's easy to disrupt.

Even if for whatever reason you're solo laning and unlikely to get your stacks of Sieging Wrath, you're probably going to get more value out of taste for blood than laser talents at 1 desu.
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>>182532835
Good Azmo always goes for dunks except on Hanamura.
Good high damage dunks puts way too much pressure on healer to reasonably top off other team if they dont engage on you.
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>>182533754
>not understanding the immense complexity and viability potential of every talent combination on every hero in the game on
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>>182533185
>>182533340
Laser build is great when the enemy team forgets to draft cc or it's just a solo Anub cuck who thinks filling one role is enough to save his team's draft.

Otherwise, just dunk away.
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Beg for Mercy!
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Bought Medivh since he was on sale, how do? Does bird form allow you to do anything other than scout? His talents also look fairly lackluster just from reading through them.
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>>182537916
If there is an aba on the enemy team and you've finished your master's stacks, you can gank them easy. Even if they're sitting right under a keep. Just drop a few Qs while Wing yourself then E to escape.
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>>182537916
>Does bird form allow you to do anything other than scout?
Other than the one vision talent, no.
>His talents also look fairly lackluster just from reading through them.
He's a high skill floor mage/support. He's useful but only in the right hands and teammates who know how to use portals.

Obviously a niche pick that requires a lot of practice.
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>>182538075
As nice as it is to farm Abathurs, I feel like flying around looking for an Abathur is going to be hard if it has even an inkling of a clue and moves around a lot.
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>>182537916
Medivh is a playmaker. Between his portals and Leyline, he can set up tons of easy wins for your team. Unfortunately, he requires a team that knows what they are doing and, maybe more importantly, knows how to play with a Medivh on the team. Which basically means that he is worthless below masters/high diamond.

If you want a few examples of how he plays, find a Roll20 Medivh game on youtube somewhere. The R20 vs MVP Black game here is a particularly tasty example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jyhnomVLmc
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>>182538286
High skillcap playmaker with very limited damage and he needs decent coordination from other people too.
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How's Stukov?

How badly did the nerfs hit Malthael and Anub'arak? Is Tyrande still shit
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>>182537878
what the fuck
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>>182538564
Vulnerable to burst, mana intensive, great kit.
Also because it jumps around you get ridiculous numbers on healing even when its not needed so blizz will nerf it most likely.
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>>182538137
>>182538286
Maybe I should have saved those gems then haha.

Will prob try some team games.
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>>182538671
How flexible is his talent build? Is the mana issue something that he only has during early games or the entire match?
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>>182538884
Mostly during the early game,talents are...well you most likely go with the arm aoe and you got few very good talents for healing, mainly 50 armor one and pox populi.
He also has very low attack speed but slaps you like Butcher.
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>>182539061
I know that he has a very powerful AA but it's the slowest AA in the game, I mostly wonder how he performs because I can't currently play the game.
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>>182539185
Well i played a bit with him and ...well as long as they dont catch and burst you he is good.
If you get caught...gg.
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>>182539262
What are his counters? Who does his synergies will with?
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>Stukov just below tyrande in win rate
>has better healing, damage, and utility
Explain this shit
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>>182539962
A new hero that not everyone has figured out yet.
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>>182539962
he's been out for a day
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>>182539886
He synergizes with anything that traps you or stuns you so he can silence you in a zone and his counters are anyone who can get him out of position since he has zero escapes and ultimate is only a momentary respite.
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>>182538607
BegForMercy is basically a lunara onetrick that IIRC hangs around in masters and shits fury all over people.
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>>182538564
>Stukov is fine, depending on the teamcomp he is either good or op (when they have no CC to prevent your E)

Malthael is now finally decent since all those faggots who played him only because he was op are gone. Now you can't just yolo 1v5 in and kill everyone.

Anub is still strong, they only really nerfed the range of his cocoon and a bit the radius of his talented E. On the other hand other ult is now so much better


Genji still broken as fuck tho, they even buffed him, lol
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>oh man stukov does so much healing it's crazy, they're going to nerf him xddd
>meanwhile his winrate is garbage and uther is STILL #1
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>>182539962
>hard to play
>not intuitive
>low impact kit
>easily punished
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>>182541546
>Low impact kit
>Ancestral whole team every 15 (or 5 if skilled accordignly)

Tell me more, anon
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>>182540371
Just cc him it fucks him hard. Half the time all he can do is poke until someone is super low. He is even more bad if he gets dragonblade since you can easily interrupt it. Varian on the other hand still needs some nerfs there is no real down side to playing him besides going twin blade.
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>>182542689
not disagreeing that the heals are overtuned and excessive, but comparing it to ancestral from level 1 is hyperbole

targeted excision requires detonating one pustule, but pustule stil has a 10s cooldown, 5s if you take the quest talent which still takes time to complete. If you take that talent, you can't take the lurking arm size talent which reduces his CC potential.

even then
Biokill @10 heals 712, @20 heals 1050
Ancestral @10 heals 2200, @20 heals 3k

I mean, yeah the fact that you can easily crank out those numbers on your entire team is bullshit but Auriel can heal her whole team for 700 every 2s with a good battery (+more with reservoir)

still broken AF since it's comp independent but just I'm just saying. Ya'll should actually look at the numbers instead of just parroting what other people are saying.
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>>182530717

>No one knows how to play against new hero

OH MAN OH JEEZ, MUST BE BROKEN
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>>182537878

That grin in her portrait makes her look so ugly
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>>182543610
The hair makes her look ugly. They should have gave her in game model hair.
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>>182530717
>lower Winrate than Tyrande
Can you people fucking stop already, you're just gonna get him nerfed before I even get a chance to get back in the states and play him
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explain how this shit works?
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>>182537878
Ark SPD or range? Tryna fill out my auriel crown roster in gm.
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>>182542958
>Just CC him
Yeah it's so easy to CC a monkey with 1km dashes who can AA while moving. Especially when the enemy team has cleanse
And now since the range of Anubs cocoon was nerfed its even harder to do something against Genji. Please stop protecting the obvious broken hero, else he wouldn't get a 99% firstpick/firstban rate in HGC
After his dodge gets removed and his E won't pass over terrain and walls we may talk again, but right now it's a joke
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>>182544807
>stukov ban
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>>182545187
fuck him but i don't even know how to ban things or who i should ban
>release new moba char
>its op to get people buy him from bz
i would ban him too
not sure if i should just play ranked to learn properly about the game in place than this shit
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>>182545156
>who can AA while moving
But he can't
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>>182543475
Also, his heals were bugged on PTR because of the completed 7 quest as baseline which has given people the perception that his heals are much better than they are (although they're still very very very good and he's very likely to receive nerfs after blizzard gets their money's worth) the go to talent is probably going to be the armor one, nonetheless

He has a versatile kit but it looks pretty obvious that minmaxing is going to result in S-tier healing or S-tier debuff/control, but not both at the same time.

Frankly, he's not easy to play effectively compared to most of the other supports, and his kit requires decent teamwork from his teammates so even though his numbers are still too high, a lot of the bawwwwwwing is just confirmation bias. That said, idk what the fuck blizzard was thinking when you compare him to say, LiLi, or the way they've gutted Tyrande or Lucio
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>>182545405
You will not learn how to play or draft in ranked/unranked
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>>182545476
This is what makes a difference between a good Genji and a trash one.
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>>182539962
He's played like 10x as much as well, but people are just trying to figured him out.
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>be gold playing hero league
>try to fill in roles and talk with the team about picks
>struggle to climb
>decide to just pick butcher and ignore team
>80% winrate
>30 games later I am diamond

k got it.
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>>182545836
Anon, you are retarded. He can move just as much as any other single attack hero, no more, no less.
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>>182545738
i ain't watching retards playing on youtube or streamers if thats your idea
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>>182545949
Glad you've seen the light, anon. Every single person below diamond is there because they're idiots who have zero clue how to play.
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>>182539886
Notable ones I've seen are Stitches, but people who can displace are all probably solid (Artanis, Dehala, ETC, etc)

He's countered by dive. No escape doesn't mean anything since he shouldn't be on the front line anyways, even with his fuckhuge aa dmg. If he's trying to CC he should be poking with his W and taking the lurking arm range/size talents, if he's healing he doesn't need to be front line.
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>>182546070
Not him, but you certainly won't learn shit watching streamers.
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>>182546139
i'm better at learning by practicing than by learning or watching ,i'm open to ideas anyway
i'm bored of QM for leveling chars and i tried almost all i wanted to try
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>>182546087
you are right i just thought that trying to cooperate and strategize was the way to go, but it turns out low ranks are the same here as they are in DOTA

ignore your team, farm, carry.
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>>182545949
In the wise words of n0tail, you either go full retard or don't.

No half measures, Walt.
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>>182546240
Ranked will give you a better idea of what is strong and how to play as a team, but the best and only real way to learn is to do it yourself. Think what can be banned in every draft, if it works, go ahead, if not, try again. Same thing with picks, and then the ingame teamfights. Try to flank, if it doesn't work, don't keep ceaselessly trying vs that particular comp, or whatever
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>Stukov can accumulate 10k healing in 5min without having to go back or ever having not enough mana to skirmish
Nice balancing, Blizzard.
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>>182546679
High CDs tho, after he uses his D his heal is literally nonexistent
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Getting tired of this Singaporean server meme
Any way to stop it?
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>>182546679
He's pretty bad at dealing with someone get focused though. It evens out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1fy5Sc66E0 FUCK YEH GREMEN...
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>>182546820
>literally nonexistent
>same healing as tyrande except on every ally nearby
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>>182547098
Exactly. To make it even worse stukovs healing is over 4.5 seconds.
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>>182547098
>implying Tyrande has good heals
KEK
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>>182546070
Read a tl;dr summary of the meta. Figure out map mechanics or google them if you're too stupid to. Play a bunch of characters and try to understand why they're good or why they work together. It's pretty simple stuff.

Ex:
BoE.
>Large map, two lanes = strong solo laner important
>no rotation
>Objective is v strong, heroes that win objective win the game.
>burning down Immortal race requires high sustained dps or useful talents
>first pick/ban: Lunara, Greymane, Valla, Artanis etc
>punisher enabling siege heroes v strong (Sylvanas, Hammer, etc)

ToSQ
>small map, 3 lanes
>heavy rotation top/mid
>waveclear super important
>winning the first couple turn ins usually means getting heroics first means snowballing leads
>heroes that give vision, delay enemy turn ins strong
>mercs worthless
>top lane most valuable d/t boss
>bot lane safest for solo d/t limited gank positioning options

Haunted Mines
>small map, 2 lanes, no rotation
>mercenaries essential = fast junglers v strong
>objective golem very weak
>sappers escorted by mercenary lord talent (Sylv/Sonya/TLV, etc) can 1shot gates/turret, allowing keeps to be taken before enemy even finishes the mines
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>>182547670
The meta exists for a reason, and knowing what a character is capable of makes it pretty obvious. Heroes that are very good at fulfilling multiple roles, or characters that are extremely good at one role and not bad at others should be banned. Ex: Dehaka has three health bars to tank with, is mobile with racecar build, can stun/interrupt, displace, wave clear and has decent damage. Global allows him to soak to the last minute and still show up to a team fight, allows him to split push any open lane safely, etc. Ez safe ban. Uther has burst heal, gives sustained survivability with armor, has stun, can enable other meta heroes with d-shield, turns enemy CC into a liability. Another easy ban/FP. Your team drafts double mage? Only real anti-mage tank is Anub (who is still crazy powerful anyways) so you should deny the other team

Understanding stuff like this will help you stop being a QM shitter nova main
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>hanamura still not out of the rotation
Blizzard is really just throwing a tantrum at this point saying you will like it no matter what
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>>182545949
>ignore team
kek
do you mean during character select or the actual match?
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>>182547670
>or why they work together
i should figure that out
>50% enemy base
>somehow we end losing a fortress and getting killed
and thats my first ranked match
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>>182547829
Are you really surprised that Blizzard tries to tell us what we have to enjoy?
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>all event items will have increased shard costs forever
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>>182547916
character select and in game. People that understand what needs be done do it anyway.

"OH NO DON'T PICK BUTCHER THEY HAVE UTHER YOU NOOB"

>ignore
>carry
>diamond
literally
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>>182547670
>Play a bunch of characters and try to understand why they're good or why they work together.
there isn't a pic of that?
will help
i'm gonna asume "leaders" are the ones with most matchs in ranked?
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>>182546861
>niggers ruin everything
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>teammate does some stupid shit
lmao unga bunga right guys?
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>>182545405
On big maps or maps that prioritize rotations (warhead, cursed hollow, braxis) you ban shit that has globals (dehaka/falstad). On "pve maps" like blackhearts or battlefield, you ban the 'threats' (eg, things that are good at taking camps on blackhearts or double-soakers like xul/nazeebo, or shit like valla/greymane/sylvanas on battlefield).

On 'teamfighting' maps like say cursed hollow, you ban shit like anub because web is fucking obnoxiously overpowered. On 'control' maps like towers you can either ban globals, or you can ban splitpush (azmo can be a very decent ban here)

If you see shit like a tracer or an illidan, you ban tassadar. If they don't have a support and you're not sure what to ban, knock a high meta one out. If there's something you're *really* worried about or you struggle to deal with, feel free to throw a ban out (eg if you have a lot of squish and you see the enemy team has a diablo, jaina and malfurion, feel free to throw a ban at zeratul so they don't have void prison to start their wombo with).

Understanding draft can be very complex.
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>>182548021
>why they work together
doesn't actually matter that much since we're all shitters and focusing down one character at a time is the pinnacle of achievement most of the time. Youll be better off understanding "need tank, need ranged dps, need heal, need bruiser, last spot flex, blizzard categories bad, not all tanks are bruisers, not all bruisers are tanks, not all healers can solo support" when drafting since your average HL player is basically incapable of understanding even that much and will freely draft 3 ranged assassins and no tank without a care in the world.

Comboing shit and looking for synergy is mostly more of a thing to do in TL with friends you know aren't retarded, I've noticed. Something that you see pros do is p much guaranteed not to work in your average QM or HL game.

"Hey fuckface, tell me when you're gonna pop tazdingo or dragonblade and I'll dshield you" barely works half the time I'm on voice chat with friends, and in regular games people just waste em running away and dying anyways.
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>all dem Novas
How often do you see Tracer at bronze mm anyway?
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>>182548490
There are far too many characters with assorted variables in their skill interactions/talents and maps to sum up in a single picture. Trying to figure out new shit is part of the fun (for some people)

The best you can do is go for generalizations like >>182548637 says, and keep in mind some of the more glaringly obvious combinations on specific maps. Note that in some cases, there are heroes with kits that are similar enough that banning won't limit their options, and in other cases, if you ban but don't first pick (or vice versa) you can easily fuck yourself.

I can't count the number of times a friend and I have just carried a TL games because we took both Falstad and Dehaka and outsoakes/split pushed our way to victory.
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>>182548490
Also, care tierlists made by people far above your skill level since high level meta is not necessarily the same as shitter meta.

Pic related is a pretty good list some anon made a few threads ago. Significant parts of it absolutely do not apply for bronze/silver, where something like a Morales is far more impactful than Uther because people won't focus her and will only attack the biggest, meatiest regenerating tank, people lack the skill to play Auriel or her hat targets effectively, higher skillcap heroes like Genji are trash in the hands of players that dive into turret shots, people will ban healers after both teams have picked a healer, people will scream at you for picking tassadar as second support despite how versatile and powerful he is, etc.
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>>182548729
So according to this Nova is perfectly balanced?
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>>182550609
oh shit you're right
nova has a 49.9% winrate, the character is fine
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>>182550609
Sure is. why arent you playing Nova right now
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Today I have learned that invisibility doesn't disjoint projectiles. More specifically, invisibility doesn't disjoint fort projectiles.
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>>182550867
coal burner
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>>182550609
Win rate only matters as long as shitters arent getting stomped. Nova always had 50% winrate and they fucked her even more than she already was, same with Genji.
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>>182550867
>implying I don't
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>being a stealthbab
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when do i get the ability to buy wards
when do i get the ability to buy dust
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>>182550956
Medivh buff when?
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>i like being an annoying shit that does nothing
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>>182551448
few things give me more pleasure in this game than completely ignoring a d.va as she desperately tries to do damage to me.
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>>182550923
>play leeg
>flash doesn't disjoint projectiles
And dropped again
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>>182470328
he said next to KZ you retard
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>>182551379
I actually would love having wards in hots but I doubt they will add them.
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>>182552087
>scouting drone
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>>182551379
Play support and pick those talents
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>>182552331
I mean a ward that doesn't cost a talent. Every hero carries one and on back you can place it again but you can have only one ward at a time.
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>>182552419
>eye of Killrogg
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>>182552503
Which part of every hero did you miss?
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>>182552391
What talent gives Rehgar a ward?
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>>182552331
>>182552503
Normal wards don't provide detection, sentries are separate.
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>>182552607
>counting 1 headed animals as heroes
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>>182550867
I prefer to play broken heroes, preferably with 60%+ winrate, you know
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>>182551448
>Be Murky
>Pick Fishtank
>Laugh at desperate D.Va trying to kill you
40 KEKS
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>>182552391
also: what talent provides dust, on any hero?
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>>182553178
Brain and good eyes
and good PC with decent monitor
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>>182553258
that's a talent you take irl, i meant talents in game
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>>182547796
>Dehaka has three health bars to tank with
Consider Dehaka more of a bruiser instead of a tank.
>Only real anti-mage tank is Anub
It seems that Tyrael is meant to be a anti-mage tank as well.
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>>182549952
>Zuljin and Jaina on tier 5
>Johanna in tier 4
>While Chen and Tracer is Tier 3

>pretty good list
Don't make me come over there and cut you.
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>>182553178
>>182553406
medivh lvl 4
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>>182553676
>medivh actually has dust of appearance as one of his 4s
today i done learned a thing
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>>182553762
it's fucking shit though, and birds eye view is better in every possible way
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So I heard you fucking retards don't like Hanamura. Why are you nerds so stupid? Just learn to play the actual map and you will enjoy it more, so we are going to need to keep it in the rotation until you guys can learn to enjoy it the way we intended you to, but you guys are way too dumb to actually pick up on how to play it, so it's going to take a long time of keeping it in the rotation until you idiots can finally learn to have fun on it.
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>>182553762
>that feel when im the 1%
Feels gud man
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>>182553928
Upper class scum
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>play as butcher
>shitty sc2 characters survive usual rush
>play as ragnaros
>shitty butcher kills me in 2 hits
i'm liking ranked so far its like
>almost winning
>when you are about to win shit starts to go wrong and magically the enemy team starts killing us without problem
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>>182554269
>enemy has Malth
>pick GET OUT with Stukov
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Making hanamura longer doesn't solve the issue. People didn't dislike it because it's a short or small map, but because there's no real strategy to it besides brute forcing payloads and trying to take forts. Camps are useless and bribe is OP, the map has almost no brush or it's located at useless spot, the boss is only worth taking if the enemy has 1 core health left and so on. Just remove it from HL rotation until there's a good fix
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>>182554269
Farm your meat before charging in.

It's not that hard. 125 Meat or bust. Don't just stream in there to feed because you think the quest is optional.
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>>182554439
i know that part as butcher , even with 125 meat and 50 extra sometimes they would survive
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>>182554535
Stop taking Furnace.
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>>182554410
oy vey we dont make mistakes goy, you will play it until you like it
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Stukov was a mistake
3 supports on all teams every QM game
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>>182552809
Healing Totem.
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>>182554583
sounded better than the other thing
>enemy team diablo and dehaka
this is going to be annoying
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>>182554926
You're an initiator or clean-up, you're not some carry who sits there 1v5'ing the enemy. Get in, get out, if you can't pick off somebody from the enemy deathball, wait for them to engage first.
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>>182553849
Birds Eye is better for scouting, but dropping Dust prior to a teamfight in a clogged area with bushes and walls is really fucking useful.
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What's the verdict on Stukov?
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>>182555231
Strong. Balanced but will probably be gutted.
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>>182554926
>one additional AA as AoE damage sounded better than 4 decond lockdown allowing you to lay in 8 AAs ezpz
>furnace sounded better than literally 5man twilight dream+graviton surge in one ult
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I realized that Stukov is pretty fun at solo lane vs all those lame pushers like Xul or Murky. You just beat the shit out of them while healing all their pathetic damage away, his AA damage is brutal
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>>182555231
Not ridiculously OP, but too good for ""the meta"".
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>>182554778
play unranked
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>>182555554
Or you pick a safer option with more waveclear like Tass/Rag and also prevent your wall from getting fucked 1 minute in.
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>>182553638
Not my list but logic seems obvious to me. Don't think he classified them objectively, but compared to other options in the same category. Ignoring fun, there are clear "why play this hero when that hero exists" distinctions

Zuljin as hypercarry is not supported by current meta, easily disabled (blinds) and outclassed as Auriel crown target by Valla, cassia, lunara
Jaina is easily the worst mage (guldan never backs, KT has stun/high DMG, ming resets, chromie dmg + low cd, Jaina has...slow and high cds.)
Jo is good but outclassed by Anub, Deha, Arthas, Stitches, tank category is already saturated with good options, Jo doesn't have any good initiation outside of heroics and has that a glaring weakness of "just go around her since she can't really hurt you"

Yeah dunno about Chen and Tracer, I suppose because Chen can still solo lane well and Tracer/Tassadar is a thing, esp with new hyper mobility dive meta but they still seem a bit high

fwiw idgaf about tiers myself, I still play a shitton of Jo/zuljin aming others myself because I think they're fun
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>>182554583
Furnace is a fine ult to take if you need burst. It's better than lamb to the slaughter if they have any cc at all.
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>>182556079
Chen can be a monster in specific matchups where he can drink unopposed and his spirit ult makes him into an assassin
Count him as a illidan-lite
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>>182555676
we actually won that
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>>182556515
how do you win a game in less than a minute?
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>>182553638
Zul'jin is immobile as shit and has relatively low impact ultimates (yes taz'dingo is nice but it's not rain of vengeance/hyperion nice). He also has to sit at like 50% health to really crank out the damage numbers, which makes him squishier than valla.

Furthermore his abilities are harder to use in manners that are actually conducive to doing 'good damage' unlike cocktail, hungering arrow+multishot+vault, and he has no self-peel/escape.

Jaina is extremely mana hungry, isn't nearly as consistent as kt/gul'dan and doesn't get ice-block until level 20. If you dive her she's absolutely fucked.

Johanna is okay, but doesn't do anything against what the meta currently is and isn't as strong as she once was.

Chen is fat illidan. Tracer is ranged illidan.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut this is a 'redone' list by some fuckhead anon who's done shit like move artanis out of tier 2/3
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>>182553495
>Consider Dehaka more of a bruiser instead of a tank
Most def agree, but he can still solidly main tank if needed, unlike, say, Sonya or Leoric or even Dva for that matter. Agree that he's far better as off-tank, especially since with poor healing he has to constantly burn essence and then refarm it.

I'd say Anub, Stitches and Tyrael are the anti-mage tanks, yeah. Stitches may not get baseline spell armor, but his talent is better than Anub (at the cost of slam build) and he's beefy enough that he can still deal with physical dmg. Plus landing hooks is devastating on mages and he's far easier to draft around than Tyrael
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>>182556702
that was how long ago it was played.
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>>182555389
something that did 700 damage sounded better than something that did 200 damage , yes for me
why the fuck ranked takes so damn to find
>2 wins 3 loses
dunno what to think so far
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How do you people find the will the keep on playing this crap, it gets worse by every iteration ever since beta ended.
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>>182557124
Butcher is cleanup. Lamb either to stop someone from running away, or more often to lock down anyone who could help/save the other dude you're attacking.

Assuming you're choosing your moments to initiate/clean up, and youve finished getting stacks, you get far more mileage out of the utility lamb provides
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>>182557686
Why bother posting in a general for a game you hate? Its like going out of your way to live in the ghetto when you hate black people.
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>>182556079
How in the world does Stitches perform better then Jo?
>>182556478
Yeah Chen is a fun hero with what I feel is the most flexible talent selection in the game and some very good survivability. He can also harass and bully some characters to no end. But he doesn't have the crowd control needed for a tank and his damage output is lacking for a bruiser so him being in rank 3 is a bit to much.
>>182556763
Zuljin is going to survive far longer then Valla while being able to dish out more damage. He can slow but it's not a good one and 1v1 against Zuljin can easily go from
>Lets kill Zuljin
to
>Lets run away from Zuljin
>. If you dive her she's absolutely fucked.
Why would a mage ever dive.
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>>182466934
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>>182557686
I play it casually
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>>182558143
>Zuljin is going to survive far longer then Valla while being able to dish out more damage. He can slow but it's not a good one and 1v1 against Zuljin can easily go from

Unless you get silenced or stunned. Play a match against stukov + varian. Varian will charge + taunt, stukov will put the hentai hand under you and you will die without ever getting to use taz'dingo.

Valla has the option of simply not being there in the first place, or stunning as varian charges in then vaulting backwards.
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>>182557686
This isn't LoL. HotS is undoubtedly better than it was. Although I do miss instagib Kael.
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>>182558143
>Why would a mage ever dive.
... Your reading comprehension skills aren't very good are they? If 'you' dive jaina, jaina is absolutely fucked.

Where the fuck did you get 'IF U DIVE WITH JAINA' out of that?
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>>182558623
My favorite version of instagib kael was when living bomb exploded on every tick of damage when zul'jin hit 1 hp with taz'dingo.

It caused explosion chains to go off in hilarious manners and instakill teams.
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>>182558553
>Valla has the option of simply not being there in the first place
And Zuljin doesn't? Yes Valla can stun assuming she gets it out before Varian taunts her and then gets hentaied by Stukov. Varians taunt alone is going to drain half her health
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>>182558702
>If you dive her she's absolutely fucked.
That's how
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>>182557772
then i'll force myself to learn it
>ragnaros butcher sylv or jaina
i need some fucking support char i can play
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Good news faggots. They fucked up hanamura even worse than it was before. It's now possible to (if you get an advantage) prevent an enemy team from ever leaving their base, and with no more catapult/sapper spawns, you do not ever have to actually end the game. So if you want to be giant assholes you can literally farm an enemy team for two fucking hours straight.

It has already happened to 'pro gamers' on stream in teamleague where they got fucking wrecked by cho'gall and auriel (woo infinitely scaling bomb, gall trait and hope!). Also possible to do with alarak (infinite sadism) and tyrande (infinite owl damage)!
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>>182558863
>And Zuljin doesn't?
Immobile and less range, and will often be sitting at lower effective hp than valla because trait.
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>>182559093
Malf broccoli quest doesn't have a cap does it?

he could probably do it all on his own, at some point, it just starts 3 shotting people.
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>>182559065
>i need some fucking support char i can play
Lucio is relatively low effort and fairly high impact, and not nearly as bad as people would have you believe. Speednigger can run people down too.

Can peel with boops, can speed people out of the dumb shit they get into, can provide fuckhuge shields or give pretty decent damage / slows over a large area.
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>>182559214
>Less range
His range is the same as Valla and has the option to increase it for earlier then Valla. However I will give you that You Want Axe? does not give the same range as Farflight Quiver.

The think about playing Zuljin well is to know when to sit on low HP and when to run away and heal.
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>>182559093
PRAISE BLIZZARD
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>>182559391
can he heal? (don't like his shit design)
i'm waiting for aruriel or whatever its called to be on discount to buy it and hope it doesn't feel shit like the rest of the supports i tried
>say which characters i can play before picking characters
>hurr pick this one you dont have and never played
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>>182559671
>>182559093
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>>182559671
>>182559093
Why would they ever remove catapults
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>>182559671
with a little luck they fucked it beyond repair like that arena on wow and they removed it to never add it back
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>>182559671
>>182559818
>>182559093
They just do magical things to this map.

>>182559868
Because they thought hanamura was too dominated by pushing (because it was, because the objective was shit, never gave any xp rewards, wouldn't go away and only got stronger the longer you ignored it).

You'd 5man push 1 lane with something like sylv (anti-structure), artanis(anti structure), brightwing(bribe), guldan(waveclear) + secondary support, kill the keep in one lane, now you have 3 shots and sappers, go kill the keep in other lane and you've got 5 shots on first turnin + 1 shot on second turnin + 2 sets of sappers. turn in both things, stay caught up on xp with bribe and do boss once or have a sapper spawn run home and you win the match.
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Stukovs W is surprisingly hard to land and even when it does it doesn't do much.
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>>182559778
>can he heal? (don't like his shit design)

he can swap between extra movementspeed or low healing, when he hits his amp-up button the movement speed goes from 15-20% to 45-60% or if he's on healing it goes from like 2-3 to a fucking bajillionty.
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>>182559901
Can you explain about the wow arena?
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>>182560171
You're making it sound easy
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>>182560171
>This map is flawed because this one time my team completely stomped their team and artificially prolonged the game duration
What?
Not seeing your point here

>QM
>Farming exp
oh so you're a gold MMR shitter, nobody gives a shit
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>>182560640
t. shitposting plat
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>>182560863
Literally NOBODY gives a shit about your QM adventures, you're the literal dumpster tier of the game if you play sandbox mode for anything more than leveling a hero to 5
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>>182560547
It was. Horrifically easy. You could consistently win matches in 7 minutes.

Double-support, anti-structure, waveclear and bribe. You could run Hammer instead of Sylv, or Azmo, you could use KT instead of gul'dan (or other similar waveclear heroes), You could do muradin instead of artanis.

"Pros" showed the strat pretty frequently. It was difficult to deal with and you needed to ban/counterpick & play perfectly in order to not get steamrolled by it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aJNRJNFpJ0

>>182560640
That was actually a team league game, and it wasn't me playing.
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>>182561005
Not even him. If you think a match being able to go on indefinitely isn't a flaw you are either retarded or pretending to be.
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>>182561005
>taking the most casual game in an incredibly casual genre this seriously
wew
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>>182561019
Well I don't know how things are in your part of the world but I never had a match on hanamura that ended in 7 minutes. Now it could be because I live in Europe or could just be that I wasn't so shit that I let the enemy team take down our forts like it was nothing.
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>>182561134
Any match can go on indefinitely if one side is somehow retarded enough not to turn the tables after level 20 and decides to die on respawn

>>182561170
>I just play for fun dude xD
Then why are you here crying like a little bitch?
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>>182561342
>Any match can go on indefinitely if one side is somehow retarded enough not to turn the tables after level 20 and decides to die on respawn
Nope. Minions will eventually win the game for someone. Both teams would have to actively be trying to prolong the game for that to happen. With this comment you're obviously a retarded bronze player.
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>>182561209
There was literally an optimal way to play the map. That is a fact. It doesn't matter that you've never encountered it, because you personal experience was irrelevant. Blizzard *changed* hanamura to what we now have because they went "Holy shit, this map has been SOLVED, wow this map has some unhealthy designs to it".

>>182561342
>Any match can go on indefinitely if one side is somehow retarded enough not to turn the tables after level 20 and decides to die on respawn

Catapults in one lane will end most maps by themselves in 3 minutes if uncontested. In two lanes they will win maps in under 2 minutes if uncontested. In 3 lanes it goes down to under a minute.

So if you get catapults in lanes, the enemy team either has to fight with frequent disadvantages to having someone on permanenty catapult duty.
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QM PLS
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how do you effectively play from behind and eventually come out ahead?

it feels like when i play either me and my team know what to do and we win, either quickly or slowly, or we don't know what to do, and we lose quickly or slowly. it's like there's no in between.
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>>182560517
unless i'm wrong , they added some arena at catacylsm and removed it due to bugs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQIUV77f7sU
can't find anything but that was the arena
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>>182561773
Wait for the enemy team to fuck up and throw.
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>>182561503
>Both teams would have to actively be trying to prolong the game for that to happen.
Which is exactly what happens when a game goes past level 20 in a non shitter mode, because level 20 is when almost any hero gets a massive power spike and teamfights can go either way, thus precipitating the game towards its inevitable end. No ranked game finishes with a score of 120-12. You're trying to take an uncommon one-in-a-thousand scenario in your shitter sandbox where you cannot decide upon team comp and act as if that's somehow indicative of a large scale problem affecting all players. Nope. It's affected you or someone else once, in the shitter mode nobody gives a shit about.
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>>182562000
>doubling down on stupid
kek
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>>182561773
>how do you effectively play from behind and eventually come out ahead?
You have to be decisive.

Don't start hissing over this because le reddoot, but it contains some pretty useful info
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/6lr9tu/gank_vs_soak_an_exp_analysis/
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>tfw you get 8 commends and you commended someone else before anyone put up theirs
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>>182561793
They removed it because environmental hazards made it too RNG for serious arenas.
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>>182462735
is the game really that toxic?
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>>182562000
except this also happened to Dunk's GM team league game

https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/6mz71u/dunk_mewn_bambam_cyasteve_and_horsepants_getting/

4chan spam prevention won't allow twitch clips??? moot pls
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>removed east coast server
>central server is shit, constant lag spikes, literally unplayable half the time
>west coast 100+ ping

Why does Blizzard not care about their east coast players? Why do they treat the east coast like a third world country?
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>>182562218
>Muh QM experience
keep being a retarded little faggot, that's all you're capable of

isn't that why you play with silenced shitters?
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>>182460965

>it's a "you get 4 silent teammates that roam the entire game, ignore objectives, don't take camps and don't defend keeps" rerun
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>>182562397
>jumping around a pilar
>serious arena
pick one
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>>182562563
>moot
Who?
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>>182561540
Yeah it was a optimal way to play the map, but it sounds to me that the enemy team has to be really shit in order for it to pas.
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>>182562617
Holy fuck you're retarded anon. I am the person who posted the hanamura pictures to here, and I WAS NOT IN THAT GAME. YOU ARE LITERALLY SAYING PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT PRESENT IN THAT MATCH WERE IN FACT IN THAT MATCH.

Jesus fucking christ you're a mong.
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>>182562617
Pretty desperate to save face huh? When a map enables a match to go on indefinitely, no matter how small the odds of that happening, it is obviously flawed.
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>>182562847
>>182562617
Both of you should stop being retarded faggots.
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>cho'gall on discount for 375 gems
guess i should only buy heroes when they are on discount
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>>182562767
>Get brightwing. Grab any combination of shit that can siege + double support.

You can do brightwing + auriel + gul'dan + [warrior] + [whatever the fuck].

Artanis, Azmo, Sylv, Hammer, anub, zarya, all sorts of shit worked. Brightwing / sylv were easily some of the strongest for it, but you could do basically anything.
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>>182561019
>Blue team is a well put together team
>The other team doesn't even have a tank and has two stealth based heroes
Red team never had a chance even with this supposed "the best strategy on the map"
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How does body-blocking work?
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>>182563025
I >>182562847 am not arguing with the retard anon that is someone else.
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>>182562563
Except this does nothing to add weight to your non-argument. Does that game goes on for 3 hours with a final score of 120-12? You can get stomped in ranked too, only that's completely your fault either through being collectively retarded in draft or collectively deciding to prolong the the game. In no way, shape or form is this indicative of a large scale problem or bug that can any relevant amount of players.

>But it happened to me once therefore it's a problem! pwease Blizzard do something about it :(
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>>182563119
Did you miss the part where he's said that he's done this to all sorts of teams? Including a grandmaster teamleague team? It was basically just the first replay in his list that he came across, repeating often that it's extremely non-optimized.
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>>182562706
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>>182562847
>It-It w-w-wasn't e-e-even me
And you're the literal cocksucking limp dick faggot who's getting analdevasted a group of nobodies got owned like nobodies in shitter sandbox mode... your point again?
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>when your Medivh is really really good
>>182563064
Yes you should, did you find a buddy to lose with Cho?
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>>182563376
You're a moron anon. Shut the fuck up, people smarter than you are talking.
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>>182563409
Yes I missed the part where he said that because one mere glance on both team told me that red never had a chance on any map with the possible exception of Blackhearts Bay so there was no point in watching the video.

I will believe
>done this to all sorts of teams? Including a grandmaster teamleague team
When I see it.
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>>182460965
>https://pastebin.com/sNQ3GgGb
Because mobile users are blocked from creating threads someone will need to create threads during business hours now.

Here's the pasta for whoever wants to do it
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>>182563559
>when your teammates never use portals or abuse [PROTECTED]
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>>182563521
>shitter salty he got silenced and is now shitposting on a cambodian cartoon forum
lel
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>>182563579
>MOMMY PLEASE FIX MY SHITTER SANDBOX EXPERIENCE
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>>182563559
no , playing ranked but i don't see how you guys see it that much different from QM other than "lol you have a rank good for nothing"
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>>182563583
Listen fucko, I don't need you to believe it, because I know why the map was changed. The fact that it was changed speaks to the fact that it had issues (the same ones I'm highlighting which is why sapper spawns no longer exist on the map).

You can go fucking google blizzards reason as to why they changed it. I don't need you to agree with me, because you are disagreeing with facts. When you disagree with facts you just come across as a moron.

I can't make you not be wrong anon. Only you have the power to do that.
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>>182559818
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>>182563962
>facts
Show us a factual replay of a ranked game ending in a final score of 120-12 on Hanamura

Oh wait, those don't happen with non retards that are so prominent in the shitter sandbox mode you love so much
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>>182563947
>how you guys see it that much different from QM other than "lol you have a rank good for nothing"
Not really sure what you meant by that but Cho shouldnt be picked in Ranked because you end up countered hard.
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>>182564249
well i mean since you guys call it quickmeme and whatever other shit , not that i give a fuck
and no dont expect to try him in ranked
>ban kael and xul
didn't pay attention to who they banned
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>sit at 75% winrate
>down to 50%

thanks blizzard, I really enjoy getting teamed with people who pick liming and go orb+glass canon against Genji, or people who ban valeera and instalock chromie when they don't know how to play.
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>>182564545
>xul on haunted mines
why
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>>182564545
everyone needs a chance to win goyim
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>>182564219
>"Hanamura was changed so that sappers no longer spawn when you've killed a keep because the map was too push oriented"
>"HURR SHOW ME PROOF THAT HAPPENED"
>proof provided in terms of people discussing optimal strategy and sapper camps being removed
>"Hanamura now has a new problem where you can grief by preventing the game from ending"
>"SHOW ME PROOF"
>proof provided, in screenshots and it being shown happening to a GM team in teamleague
>HURR THIS WILL NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN ITS TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE

Do you even know what you're arguing? Are you retarded? Like are you low-functioning or something?

Seriously, I hope you get farmed for an hour in hanamura, you deserve it.
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>>182564617
he's actually pretty good on two lane maps now
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>>182564545
Yeah, because in all of your wins, the opponents always played perfectly and there was never ever ever a bad apple in their team too

You win = fair and legit win
You lose = unfair and undeserved loss because of a bad teammate

Paradoxically, this seems to be the shared sentiment of every scrubshit stuck in plat
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what if Zarya's graviton surge disabled all movement options, would it be OP?

It's on the Overwatch PTR right now
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>>182564219
>>182562563
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>>182563178
(most) people can't walk through you
stand between them and where they're trying to go
slightly more advanced, stand between them and where they're trying to go while accounting for the fact that the movement ai will constantly try to path around you
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>lose first objective and teammate calls gg
I hate people that do this
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>>182564803
Graviton surge + Hentai hand. Russia Stronk.
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>>182564659
>WHY DO I NEED TO PROVIDE PROOF THAT MY SHITTER RETARDED QM EXPERIENCE IS ALMOST NEVER REPLICATED IN RANKED??
How's it feel being anal devasted in the casual mode of a casual babby's first moba?
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>>182564798
most of my wins are me and another guy carrying a team of feeders, most of my loses are on draft
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>>182564969
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>>182564815
What does that clip show except what we can only assume a team of retards getting stomped and not caring about it very much? They have several giant killers, meaning they could stomp Cho Gall right back if they tried just hard enough. The game wouldn't go on indefinitely end up in the 120-12 abnomaly you only see in shitter sandbox mode.
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>>182564852
It also works against your allies as well so be careful of your positioning there too.
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>>182565090
Whoa... nice proof there
You got some more of those epic reaction pictures dude? xD
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>>182564969
Do you need it to be repeated to you again that literally no one you are 'arguing' ('screeching like a retard at') with here was personally involved in these matches? They can just see the new problem that was introduced - the one that you are apparently blind to?

Does someone need to go fish up some quotes from blizzard devs where they state that they try to design maps in such a manner that even without any player interaction at all they will eventually come to an end (yes even towers of doom) though it may be slightly RNG.
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>>182565364
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>>182565160
>a team of retards
Former world champion, coach to professional team, other assorted pro players or former pro players. All grandmaster players in teamleague. The clip doesn't show what they have to say about it later, because it is only a clip; they aren't all that pleased that such a massive oversight allowed a match to not be ended like this.
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>>182565365
Towers of Doom could last indefinitely too "without any player interaction", you're becoming increasingly retarded with every post, and insist on pinning a collective decision to get stomped on the game's fault or a map's design fault. The point is, there isn't any reasonable scenario where a team dominates the other so utterly that there's no chance for any comeback teamfight. And if you can kill the other team, you can win the game, there isn't anything more to it, regardless of the map mechanic to damage the enemy core.
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>lili is just randomly pushing a lane solo when the rest of the team is fighting
>varian dies 7 times before 10 minutes
>everyone else missing their skill shots
>I finish the game with 0 deaths and 5 kills as liming
>-8 for personal adjustment

WHAT

THE

FUCK BLIZZJEWS
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>>182565691
all retarded
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>>182565721
>Towers of Doom could last indefinitely too "without any player interaction"

Nope. capping all forts causes shots to fire at core. It may take a hell of a long time, but even without player interaction towers of doom will eventually come to an end.

This cannot happen on hanamura anymore because of the deleted sappers.

>collective decision to get stomped
Fucking what? You're completely nonsensical.

>>182565864
You're either an extremely dedicated troll, or irredeemably autistic.
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>>182565691
>Former world champion, coach to professional team, other assorted pro players or former pro players
Clearly they play at a champion level on stream, despite what little is shown on the clip showing they're apparently drunk or dicking around.
>The clip doesn't show what they have to say about it later, because it is only a clip;
So the clip is useless and you wasted everyone's time with it, faggot. If the game doesn't end in 120-12 with the other team holding out on finishing forever, there's nothing more to say and the map is fine. There aren't any rules that states that this should never happen to protect your fragile little QM feefees
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>>182565829
only conzdand
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>>182565721
Literally just have to keep the team away from their payloads and not do yours either. Towers of doom altars requires your team to be too spread out to get a game to last indefinitely even if one team is getting shit on.
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>>182565721
>Towers of Doom could last indefinitely too "without any player interaction"
if you're fucking with the enemy team and have all forts, which you would if you were stomping them, they fire a shot that does 1 damage to the enemy core every 5 seconds
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>>182565935
I'm up 4 ranks from 2 weeks ago tho :(
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>>182565915
No, I'm an undedicated troll, not the other guy
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>>182565928
>the map is fine
Fucking lol. He's actually defending hanamura. This has to be bait. No one can actually be this retarded.
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>>182565915
>Nope. capping all forts causes shots to fire at core.
And we're talking about a potential scenario where a team is purposefully prolonging the game's duration despite dominating, retard.
>but even without player interaction towers of doom will eventually come to an end.
No it wouldn't. Without player interaction, there would be no change to either core's hp.
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>>182566087
He's a blizzard shill don't give him (you)s
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>>182565937
There are at least 2 payload pathways, so in essence it's the same thing as 2 altars spawning on Towers of Doom. Why is it that in one scenario it's impossible to stop both without spreading out and ultimately losing at one point, but in the other it's completely plausible?
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>>182566116
>No it wouldn't. Without player interaction, there would be no change to either core's hp.
You know those minion waves that spawn right? eventually they'll kill walls... and then forts, and eventually at some point in time they'll have all 6 forts at once... at which point 1 shot will be fired every 5 seconds at the other core. It'll see-saw a bit, but eventually towers of doom will come to an end even if minions just fight each other the whole game.
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>>182565829
>get good stats
>doesn't help team
>"hurr durr why do i get punished?"
nice try faggot
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>>182566271
2 altars at top and 1 at the bottom spawn. You can't cover all of them.
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>>182565937
It's also not possible to prevent the enemy team from leaving their base on towers of doom either because of the tunnel to middle. You have to cover too much area (most of it you can't stand in) with just the 3 exits, tunnel not included.

Also someone make a new thread, this one is in autosage.
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>>182566301
You know that minion waves spawn on both sides, right? Neither side has an advantage in that regard. Without player interaction, minion waves of each side would clash in the exact middle of a lane. You fucking retard.
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>win while using Jaina
>lose more with ragnaros¨
that means i suck with the char i enjoy playing i guess
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>>182557697
>>182557697
NEW
>>182557697
>>182557697
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>>182566413
Sure you can. In a scenario where a team is dominating and purposely trying to prevent the other from capping altars, they would only need to protect the top altar the farther away from their side and the bot altar. 2 altars to protect, IMPOSSIBLE MATH PROBLEM compared to 2 payloads to stop.
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>>182565928
so you're saying that all matches that don't end 120-12 are fine?
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>>182566471
No, that's not how it works. Due to 'randomness' one minion wave will eventually start to win over the others, and eventually push to walls do some damage and drain some ammo. This will bounce the wave in the other direction and this will repeat, see-sawing back and forth until a fort is lost.

This *will* happen. Minions will not just clash in middle forever. Fuck go watch it in try mode or in a custom game for a little bit.
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>>182566651
Even it its 13 vs 20 you wont win a 2v5. Payloads all go through the middle of the map.
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>>182566629
But... we're hots general anon. That's overwatch.
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Listen you fucks don't make me make the thread again.
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>>182564803
Then Zarya would finally become a T1 hero

and be another genji counter

I'd welcome that change
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>>182566735
Ammo regenerates, your point is moot, there is never a point where if both teams ignore a lane for long enough, one fort eventually gets destroyed randomly by a 1-2 minion difference

You're retarded or delusional, pick your choice
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>>182566471
That's not actually true. Having just loaded up a try game where I went and punched the target dummy for a while, towers did fall. Wasn't going to take half an hour to watch a fort fall, though.

In doter, everything does a small range of damage, so the creep waves can become unbalanced by one side rolling higher on average. Not sure exactly why it happens in hots. Maybe it's just because of pathing and shit? I've seen melee creeps walk up and down trying to slap minions for so long that one of them dies before they start attacking at all.
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>>182566930
>>182566629
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>>182566629
YOU. FUCKIGN. ANIMAL.
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>>182566471
>he thinks minion waves will perfectly clash in middle all the time with absolutely no variance ever
Either you're stupid or you're trolling.
>>182566940
>Ammo regenerates
Not quickly and Structure HP does not. The proverbial stars will eventually align resulting in one group of minions causing a 6cap on the other side. They will eventually lose this 6cap, but they will also regain it too.

>>182566981
>Not sure exactly why it happens in hots
Minions do different values of damage to each other, even if they didn't minute differences in target selection would occur and one side would eventually win. http://www.nexusmaster.com/siege
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>>182566981
In try mode your own side doesn't take damage. A custom game where you hover over the minion wave as medivh (you're soaking so you won't get kicked, it also doesn't affect waves at all) is a better example.
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>>182566790
A level 10 zagara with nydus or any hero with global could stop both, potentially extending the game indefinitely. The maps aren't that big that travel time is a logical argument. The argument you make, and one you cannot defend logically, is that a team can both spread out AND win every skirmish indefinitely, thus preventing the other team from EVER capping an altar or advancing a payload to its completion. Which obviously, never happens in Heroes regardless of the map because of the numerous comeback mechanics, unless you purposely troll in draft and/or in game by dying on respawn.
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Some faggot is ruining your session. What do you do?

A) report him
B) throw the game
C) ignore him
D) complain in chat
E) disconnect
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>>182566930
Fuck all of you

>>182567790
>>182567790
>>182567790
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>>182567450
Only feasible if the team is so fucking stupid they can't even accidentally clear creep. Even then a 2v5 will not be enough to delay them long enough to stop a turn in every time.
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>>182567723
E
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>>182567272
>healing fountains have their ID set to TowerMoonwell
that's cute
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>>182567450
>>182567846
Even assuming it's possible to break towers it would require some incredibly unlikely scenario. All hanamura needs is for the team to roam around the middle of the map when payloads are up.
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