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Soon™
Felmyst (Or Gummy) is a TBC server coming out soon.

>Register and download client
https://www.felmyst.com/

>Talents
http://armory.twinstar.cz/talent-calc

>What is the appropriate faction to choose?
http://www.strawpoll.me/13376439

>If we do end up rerolling, what class are you going to play?
http://www.strawpoll.me/13376455

>What time is it going to come out???
Soon, they're going to release it quietly so that the server isn't flooded with players so that people can get a clean head start.

>I'm sick of leveling!
TBC leveling is easier than vanilla, more exp for quests and less exp required to hit 60.

Previous thread
>>182143465
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Warmane.
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Guys, we have to do something about this right now
How do we convince /ourguy/ to not play on Alliance?
The Horde NEEDS /ourguy/
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1JSQSGKtHQ
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>>182212249
/elyg/ is absolute cancer
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>gummyshills
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Hello @spitifre can I have the official spitfire guide to healers in TBC?
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You'll learn to love me.
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>>182212493
*beats you up*
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>>182212443
everything works :tm:
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Please tell me Alex isn't really going to play on Alliance. I got all the way through Horde's quests before starting Shimmering Flats, since that's when both factions start to "merge" in questing, and I stopped playing at that point so I wouldn't be burned out from rolling Alliance. Am I really going to have to go through Horde questing again just to avoid him?

But wait! Mandate of Heaven is going on Horde! So if I want to avoid them, then I need to roll on Alliance. But they're going to assrape Alex as soon as he steps foot into Redridge, which means that if I choose to go to Redridge, I will be assraped by association. This means the only possible answer to avoid everything is to play Horde.

Fucking Alex. He fucking ruined everything. He's rolling Alliance? He's ruined everything for me. Fuck that balding manlet gymrat.
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>>182212713
"I got glad in 2's"
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>>182212854
very impressive senpai
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>>182212771
Alex is not a balding manlet...
He has a thick hairline and is 6'2" with low bodyfat...
You should be honored to even play on the same faction as /ourguy/ if you plan on rolling Alliance...
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>>182212771
It suck, I was looking foward to camping that piece of shit. Still, my hatred for faggot elves was the primary reason I'm going alliance and I can't abandon that. At least I get to bully him in trade chat.
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>>182212771
>But they're going to assrape Alex as soon as he steps foot into Redridge,
MoH may stream snipe him but there is no way those lazy faggots will go somewhere inconvenient like redridge to do it.
Even getting them to go to ashenvale was an achievment on its own, and keep in mind that alex will likely level a little faster than them as he'll have orbiters where MoH will be lonewolf'ing it in between taking screenshots of their belf or whining about no world chat and fishing for (you)s in ghostlands.
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who here cant wait to AIMED SHOT
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>>182212771
if only i didnt have some autistic affinity for rolling alliance i'd roll horde just to camp him
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>>182213712
>Spell not ready yet
>Spell not ready yet

Good luck with hunter on Gummy's. It's bugged to oblivion.
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>>182213759
*feign death*
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>>182213712
>>182214104
stop avatarfagging
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>>182214104
*beats you up*
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>>182214375
>two different reaction faces
>avatar fagging
??? I hope you arent the new janitor
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>>182214460
*beats you up*
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>>182214460
>13. Do not use avatars or attach signatures to your posts.
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>>182215000
are you retarded or just pretending
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Reminder if you roll horde this is who you will be playing with.
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>>182212096
what to do until release?
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>>182215334
fuck off to your containment board shitposter. don't you have fotm kiddy shit to eat up
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>>182215403
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>>182215552
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So what are the chances Warmane uses their fake loginQ scam shekels to endlessly DDOS poor gummy?
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>>182215406
Shitpost and decide what you're going to roll. Alternatively, you can try and play another RPG to pass the time. Even better, you can take a shower, get in shape, eat healthily, go outside, meet a nice girl, take her to a coffee shop, then at a later date take her to a movie and grab a snack, then a week later take her to a nice restaurant, drive her to her house, kiss her on her doorstep, and tell her you care deeply for her, but you want to go slow in a world that tries to rush towards the next high, and then you start going on picnics and listening to music festivals and she makes you break out of your comfort zone by making you take a dance class, and before you know it October has arrived, and she's wearing a scarf since the weather has chilled down a bit, and you can see her breath puff in the dim light of streetlamps as she walks beside you, holding your hand tightly so she can keep her fingers warm, but when you both kiss this time, you find yourselves staring into each other's eyes, and you know that now is the time, and you give her another kiss, and then another, and she barely manages to get her door open, clumsily taking her clothes off as you slam the door shut, stumbling your way upstairs with your eyes half-shut to get her onto the bed, where no foreplay is involved as she has been wanting to give herself up to you for so long, she's wet and primed and eager, letting you have her way with her, moaning and calling out your name as her fingernails dig into your back, her legs locking around you, begging you for more while shouting how much she loves you, how much she needs you, how much she adores you, until you finally release deep inside of her, not caring about the risks because this is the woman you want to spend the rest of your life with, and the realization you've found the perfect mate drives you forward, making your refractory period so short you can flip her face-down onto the mattress, fucking her brains out in pure passion.
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>>182216245
runescape or black desert can really suck up the hours anon
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>>182216245

But then how will I play on Gummy?
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We all rolling on Northcraft, right?
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>>182216245
none of that sounds appealing
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>>182215403
no, reminder that if you roll horde, THESE are the """people""" you will be playing with
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>>182216486
If it starts with the Zombie Invasion in patch 3.0.2 and stops at patch 3.2.2a, then yes, we are all rolling on Northcraft. If it actually goes into 3.3.0, then it's not worth playing at all.
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>>182216660
puddi is a cool dude but tendies is a literal child and a perfect representation of the average MoH player
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>>182216870
>le ToC is bad meme
>wanting to skip comfy ICC cuz of one raid
kys
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>>182216895
>le pretending or actually being filthy degenerate weebshit man is actually a cool guy

boy, if those are the "cool" guy, i imagine what the cancerous fucktards are like
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>>182215000
>>182215552
Back to facebook, kid
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>>182217201
back to /a/, subhuman
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>>182216895
Puddi is an insecure drama queen faggot (the worst kind of faggot) and is obsessed with "seducing" straight boys in video games which should make no sense and the little petrol huffing gaylord should get a grindr account and stop using private servers to jack off.
However you are correct about tendies.
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>>182217201
>getting this mad people don't want you posting your weeaboo shit here
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>>182217304
Know your meme didn't teach you what avatarfagging is?
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>>182217367
im not him, i just hate weebshits
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>Finally decided on race/class/role
Shame it'll be so common - but hey i'm better than most so i'll still stand out
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>>182217367
>he still thinks two random faces is avatarfagging
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>>182217463
Nobody gives a shit what you like or don't like, you still don't understand the rules you're so gladly posting here so how abouyou refrain from posting until you've spent at least half a year on this site
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>>182217659
>>182217654
haha what the fuck man, wrong board faggot
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>>182217614
what are you rolling anon?

I've been trying to decide for a week now and finally settling on gnome warlock. Still thinking about giving resto druid or draenei enhance shaman a try though.
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>>182217659
which part of "im not him" you couldnt comprehend, you filthy chink
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>>182217779
Or better yet, end your life so I don't have to read dumb shit like this
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>>182217614
if its a warlock/hunter/shaman you made the right choice. Even if its common its needed in high numbers. If its a druid/pally/priest that's okay, good luck. Warrior or mage I sincerely wish you luck. If its a rogue you might want to reconsider.
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>>182217614
t. undead rogue, human mage or a belf palie
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>>182217869
Which part of 'go back to facebook' are you having problem understanding, you illiterate child
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>>182217815
>>182217972
>>182218006
Tauren Prot Warr
Was agonising about choosing the default Horde race for it but after running around on the beta, it really the only combo of animation and aesthetics that i can stomach
Leaning more to male then fem, since the fem faces are dopey as shit

Shame i have to deal with Mulgore
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>>182218019
is this one of those "this is an anime site so fuck off" posts? please take this to your home board, degenerate
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>>182218019
cringe
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best mage race?
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>>182218057
mulgore is fine, except for the dwarven dig section holy shit those heals are annoying, and the odd swoop stunning you to death. when the server is busy on launch its probably the best place to be
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>>182218297
gnome for pvp

troll for pve
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>>182218297
UD
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>>182218057
tauren warr is patrician choude my dude, literally the best looking class

too bad im always an #allymissile, but if i had to play horde id definitely go for Tauren
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>>182218297
bald male human
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>>182218352
>choude
Freudian slip, heh?
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>>182218297
horde pve troll
horde pvp ud
ally pve gnome
ally pvp more debatable but probably gnome
ally dont want to deal with bullshit rep grinds human
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>>182218119
Did I say anything like that? Please take your 4chan complaints to /qa/ and reddit
>>182218236
>usint cringe
cringe
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>>182218462
i-im sorry
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>>182218487
too bad gnome is the ugliest race
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>>182218352
It's a shame i'm not going Ally this time, but i've already done it twice, once in Retail and then on Nost

If there's ever a LK server i'll be back, since Human DK is 10/10
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>>182218649
This reminds me, how the ever-living fuck can there be worgen, pandaren, and goblin death knights?
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https://streamable.com/ybhrl

IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!!
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>>182218735
This reminds me, who cares?
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>>182218610
the ugliest race by far is blood elves. an aging fag caked in makeup, doused in perfume to cover the stench. fem gnomes by comparison are qt3.14's. male, eh, get a beard to cover the whole face
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>>182218735
death knights aren't paladins
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Former assistant raid leader of Salty Dogs reporting in.

You guys have 11 days to save up to pay for the tax, I want no excuses this time around ok?
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>>182218735
Worgen and Goblins existed before cataclysm lmfao.

Pandaren can't be DK's.
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Will the beta roll over or will it be a fresh start?
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>>182218798
This isn't funny at all. This made me unreasonably angry.
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>>182219115
yes if you have a 70 on the beta you'll have on on release
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>>182219115
Fresh start. Everything will be wiped. This means that the character you started leveling up when the open beta was released will be deleted, as will your instant-70. Characters in the closed beta will also be deleted, so no one has an advantage.
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>>182218910
>Worgen existed
but they were isolated from everyone?
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>>182219115
Instant 70's from beta are staying for the launch on this 1x server.

If you read that and your bullshit detector didn't start pinging I don't know what to say.
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>>182219115
roll over, make as many 70s as you can!
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>>182219236
are you telling me I beta tested for FREE?
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I just tried to sell my elysium account with a warrior with 5 T1 pieces and a thunderlord's. Offered it for $60 and I got nothing but laughed at.
They even told me it's barely worth $5 now.
Fuck you Gummyfags, I can't believe I lost another year of hard work, farming MC just to have it be all in vain because of some ginger nerd. And now nobody will even stick around for BWL since half of guild already left. Hope your server never gets past the launch
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>>182219115
yeah dude, im sure ull be allowed to keep your insta 70 hero with free gear and 4 weeks of advance played time
what could go wrong?

fucking mongoloid
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>>182219115
No, people who join the beta will be free lvl 70s with 10k gold at launch.
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>>182219248
The worgen curse didn't only affect Gilneans. The curse has existed since vanilla, perhaps even before then. You kill worgens in darkshire and silverpine. You could argue that non Gilnean worgens were all feral, but to that I'd just say that their transformation into undeath brought back a bit of their sanity or some bullshit.
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>>182219115
Read their release post on the forum
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>>182219365
imagine being you, holy shit
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>>182219481
but the playable worgen are from Gilneas

just as the playable goblins are from that one island in bumfuck nowhere
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>>182218057
>prot
Join a guild now if you want to raid.
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>>182219481
come on anon, lets just agree that blizz are incompetent fucktards who stopped giving any fuck about the lore past wotlk(and arguably in tbc either, what a dogshit expansion lorewise)instead of trying to justify their fuck ups
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>>182219542
Except your goblin doesn't start on the island and your worgen doesn't start in Gilneas as a death knight. You could make up whatever back story you want for your character. It's not even remotely unreasonable that worgens and goblins can be death knights considering both were relevant in the world and plentiful before cata.

>>182219682
I'm all for shitting on blizzard and their world of rectons, but worgen/goblin DK's is not an inconsistency by any stretch of the imagination.
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Would any of you mind posting your ui? I'm looking for inspiration.
Also is healbot a good idea or bad idea? I don't know a lot about it, I've read that it will gimp me or that it's very unnecessary (then after saying that most suggest grid+clique).
Thank you very much and god bless you.
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>>182219682
I still don't really understand why we fight illidan in TBC.
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>>182219682
>what a dogshit expansion lorewise
Brought this to mind. Fuck, time to bring back all those spicy tbc memes.
http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/
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>>182219924
Wait, belfs shot them down in a spaceship? Is that the real story?
I've never read any lore and this is not bait. Maybe I'll look it up but I doubt it.
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>>182220080
From what I remember they planted bombs on their ship when the jews ran away again.
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>>182219821
WoW's lack of lore in vanilla/TBC is why the game was so great. The game had an expectation of creating your own adventure rather than imposing a narrative on you by force.

Then came the wrath babby epic cinematic expansions where you watch ""heroes"" kill steal your bosses and fuck hot bitches while you sit on the sidelines.
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>>182219821
from what i understand even though illidan fought baddies the illidari were spooky so we thought itd be safer to kill him
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>>182219627
Nah i have 0 guarantee that i'll be playing enough to warrant that at this stage.
Frankly i'd much rather be headhunted while leveling anyway

After all i have job, learning, dates, and a hugeback log of hobby stuff to get through atm
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>>182220201
Vanilla had a somewhat coherent story even if it was kind of shit. Illidan feels more like a cheeky 5 foot tall guy that starts a fight with a group of random strangers in a bar then fucking dies.
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>>182220339
fucking nerd, you aren't poopsocking Gummy?
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>>182220080
>be proto-draenei living on Argus
>Kyuubi shows up and makes everyone a magical girl except for Velen who hates weebshit
>Velen and draenei leave on the Tempest Keep and land on Draenor safely thanks to the Naaru
>orcs aren't niggers yet so everyone gets along
>some draenei stop worshiping the Naaru and worship the Draenor elementals and become crippled Broken
>orcs chimp out and commit draenei genocide
>pure draenei try to escape in their spaceship and leave the Broken behind
>most Broken are enslaved, a few make it to Azeroth and go bonkers
>Draenei fly around in space forever
>Kael'thas breaches the Outland and finds Tempest Keep left completely intact
>Blood elves become Dark Eldar and blow up the draenei flying around in space
>Draenei land on Azeroth and horribly fuck up the flora and fauna
>Draenei futa start fucking night elf women and harmony is restored in the eyes of Elune
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>>182220454
>Blood elves become Dark Eldar
If they actaully were more like DE, i'd play nothing but them

>>182220423
Not this time i'm afraid friendo, i devote a decent amount of time to it - but i'll always worry about a CAD from blizzard at any moment because of how good Gummy looks
Not to mention it's my first time leveling Horde, so i want to experince "the story"
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>>182220201
Completely and utterly wrong. Humans' quest line was why Stormwind was in political shambles and unraveling the Defias conspiracy which led to Onyxia's Lair and later Blackwing Lair. Dwarves and gnomes had to deal with the Dark Irons plotting to open the gates to Hell on Bronzebeard clay which led to the Molten Core. Night elves and tauren both dealt with ecological anomalies and cultists for the Twilight's Hammer, which ultimately led to Silithus and Ahn'Qiraj. Orcs and trolls had to uncover the Burning Blade, all while carving out a new home for themselves, which let users who didn't play WC3 see them as more than just mindless niggers. Undead had to deal with the Scarlet Crusade and the mindless ones, which pushed them into the Plaguelands and finally into Naxxramas.

Vanilla DID have a plot, it just wasn't ham-fisted and allowed the players to uncover it themselves.
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>>182220797
Human-related Defias questlines were so amazing, Elwynn, Westfall, Deadmines, corrupted nobility, and so on.

Same goes for any other longer chain, like Stalvan and Abercrombie, especially in lower level zones. They somehow imprint in your freshly shaped memory of the game.
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>>182219821
because warcraft 3 references, LMAO PAY US XD

>>182219924
TBC was such was such a shitty expansion, holy shit

>shitty space sci-fi setting in muh fantasy
>outland was objectively a shitty continent, with probably one redeemable zone max
>gay-ass purple and pink everywhere
>retarded Draenei and how they changed their look because, "lol we cant put an ugly race in alliance lmao".war3 draeneis were badass
>faggot high elves, but now they are blood elves and they are kinda like vampires, which makes them kinda bad so well have an excuse to put a good looking race on the horde side
>the most retarded explanation for alliance shamans and blood elf paladins, because the fucks at blizzard are too fucking lazy to actually balance the game and keep things unique, making the choice of the faction matter
>FUCKING BLOOD ELVES CAPTURED A PALADIN, TORTURED HIM AND NOW THEY KNOW HOW TO BE PALLIES TOO LMAO
>possibly the ugliest possible city, shatrath, was made as a hub city where you gonna spend most of your time, looking at those shit colored textures
>resurecting Illidan for no fucking reason just to be killed again(and the absolute madmen did it once again in Legion, holy shit)
>Dude, lets kill Vashj, Ilidan, Kael'Thas, Kill'Jaeden, 4 major characters in one expansion lmao
>DUDE KAEL'THAS AGAIN LMAO
>objetively, the start of WoW going downhill with stuff like:
>badges
>resilience
>flying mounts
>dailies

fuck, now i realize that im hyped for Gummy simply because of Nostalgia, but mostly because it will be an actually decently scripted server while theres not a single good WotLK server out right now, otherwise i'd definitely chose WotLK

and yes, i know wotlk has most of those problems too + the cancer RDF, but at least it has the best setting in all of WoW, best lore, best raid(ulduar), great PvP and it finally made all classes actually being useful to make up for the cancer.And RDF came at the end so its not that much of a big deal for me
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>>182220797
Honestly why cant more mmos do "storylines" like this?
I'm so fucking sick of running through a single player campaign, let me play in a world with cultural and racial specific issues instead of shoehorning me into the chosen one
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<VICARIOUS> is recruiting for late night HARDCORE raiding. If you are sick of trannies and feel like a step up, come join our discord.
NO CRYING and we are pushing for server first both in hitting 70 and clearing content. I doubt anyone here is good enough but I thought I'd toss you gaywads an amazing opportunity because I'm nice.

>http://www.vicarious.shivtr.com/
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>>182221103
>becoming a covert operator in Stonetalon where you help a night elf and gnome blow up the Venture Co. property
>finding an orc ghost who warns you about stepping into the Blasted Lands, which leads you all around the world to craft a weapon and amulet capable of killing a powerful demon
>finding an amnesiac boy in Un'Goro who begs you to help him find his sword, which takes you across both continents
>helping out an old man in the Western Plaguelands, only to discover he's a retired paladin who just wants his son back from the Scarlet Crusade
>having a Silverwing Sentinel task you with finding one of her missing soldiers, which ultimately reveals how the worgen appeared on Azeroth in the first place
>rewriting the Battle of Darrowshire
>finding a letter meant for a loved one on the corpse of a traitor that joined the Blue Dragonflight, only to discover he was enslaved and permanently recorded in infamy
>having to locate Commander Gor'shak, which explains how fucked up central Eastern Kingdoms are
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>>182221727
The first time you posted this image I assumed you already had 25 people and were just making do with a shitty comp.
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>>182221727
>grizzly 2.0

Get the fuck out of here faggot.
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Does anyone need a feral tank
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tfw already got a spot in a good raiding guild as tank
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>>182221846
>>182221861
LOL
"If you aint got haters, you aint poppin"
- Steph Curry
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>>182222026
Who said I was hatin. You're a grizzly clone without the shit posting aussies.
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>>182222016
how would you know it's good if it doesn't even exist
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>>182221727
you dont even have a section for signing up for gummy
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>>182222026
is that seriously your projected raid composition? good lord please go back to the drawing board
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>>182221727
>2 ele shamans
>2 shadow priests
>2 healing priests
>2 mages
>only 2 warlocks

what the fuck are you doing stop
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>>182222228
they have experience and have cleared content before
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>>182222461
so does Mandate of Heaven
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>>182220201
i agree about vanilla, definitely not about TBC

the good thing about vanilla's lore was that it was pretty much 90% new shit, or if it was war3 related, it was something on the "foot soldier" level(you dont really meddle with the big events and figures like Arthas, Ilidan, etc, you get a taste of the event surrounding them and the aftermaths, which was also the beauty of early wow, you were jut some bum doing random shit and helping a bigger cause instead of being the Sarger tier super-demigod that you are right now)
Once they started referencing Wracraft 3 events and figures, everything went downhill
Exception is possibly the lore around Naxxaramas in vanilla and WotLK as a whole, tho there was a lot of dumb shit in wotlk too
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>>182222520
my guild isn't full of trannies though
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>want to go hard on felmyst
>have to work
>have GF who hates wow
>only times I can play will be when the server is dead

Fuck I should just kill myself or go full normie already.
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>>182222290
It's still set up for warmeme, friend. Join our discord, message jimmyrussels.
>>182222430
>>182222460
lmao, nice OPINION, trannies.
Sorry but I've cleared all of this content and racked up tons of firsts while you've been busy jacking off with other dudes in ironforge.
LOL!
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>>182222643
>warmane

Well that explains why you think you can clear raids with that comp I guess.
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>>182220339
people overstate how hard it is for a tank to find a guild, if you get your preraid and advertise yourself you'll get lots of whispers from new guilds
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>>182222520
Yea, I always wanted to be in a cesspool of drama
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>Warmane

hehe...meme
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>>182222756
I've already worked out with a proposed schedule that i'll take at least like 3 months to hit 70, so it's not like i'm going to be rushing anything.
Personally as long as i find some friendoes to play with regually on my leveling i'll be ok

There's always HCs after all
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>>182221337
Seriously, i know its too early/too much to ask for, but i really fucking want that autistic ginger to use his autistic-coding powers and release a WotLK realm eventually.
I'd jizz myself if i get to play WotLK once again on a serer with the Felmyst's quality of scripting
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>>182222908
Wotlk is shit though, why the fuck would you want that
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>>182221727
cringe
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>Wrath was my childhood
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>>182222643
>jimmyrussels
>hell, this whole post
le meme to the extreme!
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>>182222990
see >>182221337
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>>182223101
it's a shit expansion
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hi
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>>182219365
>thunderlord's

what
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>>182219365
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>>182223101
But I didn't ask why TBC is shit, the answer is irrelevant to my question
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>>182223587
>he doesn't know about the secret blessed blade of the thunderlord
Kek, do you even play this game?
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What's the deal with this server
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>>182223759
it's p gud senpai
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>>182223759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE8Q9DVBdxc
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>>182223734
I mean I know you're shitposting but at least try to get the names right, it's rather embarrassing.
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>>182223638

>>182221337
>and yes, i know wotlk has most of those problems too + the cancer RDF, but at least it has the best setting in all of WoW, best lore, best raid(ulduar), great PvP and it finally made all classes actually being useful to make up for the cancer.And RDF came at the end so its not that much of a big deal for me
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reminder that you all are LITERAL THIEVES
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>>182224556
>playing the game I paid for

lol
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>>182224556
But I bought WoW? I don't see the problem
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>>182224621
>he actually gave bl*zzard money
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>>182224725
Yes?
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>>182224556
Playing retail currently 4/9M.
Explain again how I'm stealing?
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>>182224521
>best setting in all of WoW
I disagree
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>>182224621
>>182224689
>>182224725
YES AND YOU ARENT PAYING YOUR SUB SO YOUR STEALING
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>>182224725
>tfw blizzard has gotten $2,000 from my wow habit
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>>182224781
>playing retail

Kill yourself.
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>>182224774
>giving money to one of the most cancerous developers in existence
>ever

tho im not one tto judge, i actially both Destiny
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>>182224841
But I'm paying for a sub
Where do I subscribe for a TBC realm though? I can't find it anywhere
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>>182224841
I'm paying subs for 2 accounts to retail, I never play the second one so its like im paying blizzard for my felmyst account

I'm an honest dude
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>>182224898
I gave money to them to play TBC because I like the game?
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>>182224920
Sub is so blizzard can "maintain servers" and "create patches."
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>>182225347
I thought our subscription money went towards improving Overwatch, Hearthstone, and Heroes of the Storm.
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>>182225419
>Heroes of the Storm.
does anyone actually play this?
like legit, not even in /v/'s meme way "wow people paly this? XD", but really, ive never heard anyone actually playing this game
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>>182225551
I have played it. It's fun with my casual friends but I would never play it alone and it's not good enough to keep their attention. It's not that bad but not very interesting compared to dota. It would be more popular if all the retards hadn't already got sucked into the LoL cashshop schemes.
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>>182225551
wpsg does
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>trying to sell my toon on Elysium
>what should be easily worth US$100 is now treated like hot garbage
after all those fucking runs
all those thankless runs being a good tank
a propre leader
and its all wasted thanks to you chuckelfuks
fuck you all
fuck
you
all
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>some guy live posting his wife giving birth in gummy's discord

what the fuck is wrong with private server players
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>>182226102
>with private server players
implying the retail wow wasnt the even worse

wow just attract absolute autists
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>>182225813
you snooze you lose
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>>182225813
>toon
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>>182226434
Yes toon, people were saying toon back in 2007 when I played.
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>>182226309
you slumber
a cucumber
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So is this badtank guy actually a pedophile?
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>>182226624
ACTUALLY, it's called hebephillia.
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>>182226646
Oh ok

i heard he molested a 12 year old girl?
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>>182226646
So he's a normal human
Boring
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>>182226565
only mongoloids did
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>mfw people are actually going to roll on this server
>a server that will shut down in a week or month
>mfw Elysium will still be strong and live
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>>182226721
>this is what degenerate subhumans actually believe
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>>182226847
>still
>implying it ever was
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>>182225813
>toon
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Is MoH going ally or horde?
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>>182226757
Yeah sure buddy, its not like back in the early and mid 2000s internet culture was way different and everyone wasn't a suicidal ironic memester.
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>badtank the child molester is shilling for warmane

surprise surprise
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Let's get real here.

Gummycraft's REAL history.


Scriptcraft, a server which was LITTEARLY the stolen feenix core. Gummy was the lead dev for feenix and he stole their core to host his own server.


He did so to sell gold, which was insanely profitable on scriptcraft.

Scriptcraft was a barley better then fenix server
that couldn't even fix basic things like mob pathing or log out walking through doors. You could pull every raid boss with out pulling trash for example.

But he's for sure the messiah of coding.

After getting kicked our of Alixum and Grizzly he proceeded to rage shut down the server.


He then vanished and returned later after taking all of grizzly's donation money to re-host the server for six months and after realizing no one was buying gold this time,. shut it down.

I can't believe you retards are falling for this meme. Lmao.

Why do you think everything is locked so hard behind gates? Nerfed gear, locked za, locked isle. It's to force you to buy gold. lmao. actual idiots. When it get's shut down i'm just going to laugh so hard. I'm sure you'll donate to his pateron after he re-hosts. lmao.
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>>182227224
yeah, fuck gummy!

let's go pay $10 to play on warmane instead!
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im so torn between alliance pally/warrior that im afraid when the server launches i still wont have made my mind up and be stuck in limbo

>on one hand i really like paladins and want to play the underdog Ret and dabble in Prot, reliving my memories of doing the charger quest and crafting lionheart champion like i did in retail but i just know people think of Ret as a memespec and will loathe having to carry me in groups
>on the other hand i really like the warrior tier sets in tbc and wouldn't mind being a more well rounded dps and tanking spec with arms being great in arenas but something about paladins just draws me away

maybe i should just wait for northcraft or something where i can play Ret and not have to deal with the hate
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>>182227224
Mock why do you continue to do this?
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>>182227376
Don't judge me, I have nothing else.
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>>182227373
Paladin tanks are needed and they get a tank racial on alliance.
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>>182227373
Don't be a fucking pussy and play something based on what other people want or think otherwise you'll hate yourself. Besides Retribution isn't all that bad even with the gimped seals. Also people still hate Ret in WotLK but for entirely different reasons like they kick fucking ass and 50% of the server will be Paladins.

FYI the charger quest isn't a thing on gummys since Scholo isn't open, you will just be able to buy the Charger from Duthorian or something.
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>>182227296
Warmanes fucking trash too, Only eurocucks play there.
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>>182227373
I still have fond memories of mana draining the ret paladin I always shit-talked in our guild to death when he got pissed off and challenged me to a duel.
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>>182227373

I played alliance paladin on retail TBC back in the day, really liked the lore and in time accepted the fact that ret in PvE just isn't happening.
I started to love healing, one role where paladin shone was single target healing. One of the biggest memories was getting the Triptych shield from the chest event, first epic piece for me ever.

I guess I've given fuck all advice, what I'm saying is you might learn to love holy and at the same time not be looked down upon (lolret) or be going against public opinion of prot paladins (lol Hyjal trash only).
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>>182227224
look senpai, i know ill be called a shill, but im also cautious about Gummy, i remember his track record so i will always have some second thoughts

that being said, i cant argue with what im seeing on the test realm, the quality is obvious and im willing to go with it and dont judge before shit goes down.
even if it does, what do you lose, you still have played for n amount of time in a decently scripted server and had fun for free
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>>182227224
>rip off private server cucks who buy gold so he can pay for college
Based, but now college is over
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>>182227579
Wrong, the Charger quests are still available in the current open beta.
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>>182227709
Not him but I'm playing holy, holy shockadin. Theres no way in fuck I'm going to be a healbitch without some edge.
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>>182227373
save the holy warrior thing for wrath my dude. go warrior, make deep thunder and shit on everyone.
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>>182227986
Yeah and then everyone else is also a paladin like that guy said, besides fuck wrath.
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>>182227986
but smiting demons with my holy hammer and exorcism the shit out of the is /comfy/
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>>182228383
You would do more damage as a disc priest.
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Realistically how bad is the queue going to be for horde?
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>he's not programming his own tool to steal all meme names at launch and to keep spamming reconnect
Lmao@urlife brainlets
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>>182229046
Where would I start to learn how to do that?
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>>182227373
Ret still brings enough utility to justify a spot in a raid but only 1 and you will usually be bottom dps until t6 when you move more towards middle.
>>182228082
So what? Everyone is an UD mage/rogue in Vanilla. Everyone is a lock/resto druid in tbc. Wrath made Paladins fun and viable.

Its like accepted that faction/class imbalance is the way it is in the first 2 games and we all just accept it but holy shit paladins are good in wrath cant have any of that fuck wotlk rite guys?
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>>182228926
Realistically it's a non-existent problem. If 1000 people play Alliance, then probably 1250 people can play Horde at he same time. The only way that things can get fucked is if the queue is placed by amount of players per leveling bracket, which would make it almost impossible to play Horde once you get to level 35.
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>>182227958
Shockadin really only has a niche in battlegrounds. In raids you spam fol and in arena you are still just a healer. Dont get me wrong they can be fun but yeah at the end of the day dont expect to use that suped up holy shock on anything other than you warrior
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>>182229301
Paladins were my favorte class in TBC, even in vanilla as crazy as that sounds. Having everyone and their mom play one diminishes their value. They're also faceroll, you could argue that the previous OP classes were too but paladins and pretty much the other plate classes are gods.
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>>182229172
Learn assembly and how to reverse-engineer, then choose a programming language to do the work in
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>>182229479
i never had a problem with paladins, they were actually one of the easiest enemies for me during wrath(spriest)
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>>182229432
Well its not my first choice but 1. lolret and 2. Tank spots are almost always reserved and the most exclusive, so I'll have a real hard time finding a spot as a tank.
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>>182229479
I really dont see a difference between a rogue stunlocking someone from 100-0, a mage kiting and never taking damage, a warlock chain fearing and using set and forget dots, warriors one shotting people etc. Under the right circumstances most classes can faceroll EXCEPT paladins and maybe other hybrids in vanilla. In wrath you needed gear to faceroll as ret and even then that wasnt untill ICC (wotlk prepatch excluded)
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Between hunter and paladin which would be more enjoyable all around in TBC? I know hunter is just steady shot spam in raids but I don't really mind that.

I like the fact that I can do multiple roles as paladin a lot. Are they fun to tank on?
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>>182229592
If you're decent then finding a guild is easy as fuck.
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>>182229742
huntard
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>>182229742
>paladin doing multiple roles

>tanking
In 5 mans sure but you arent a first preference. Dont expect to main tank anything raid related unless you snag a mt spot in a guild or make your own
>damage
You will be passed over in 5 mans if others are available since you have shit for damage and no cc. In raids theres literally 1 spot for ret for utility, and while its easier for belves to actually do more dps than the tank the market for them will be oversaturated
>healing
Absolutely
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>>182229698
That actually reminds me of the human racial, so there is literally no reason not to be a human alliance side.
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>>182229742
>I like the fact that I can do multiple roles as paladin
see, thats where you are wrong
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>>182229892
>In raids theres literally 1 spot for ret for utility
i remember the more tryhard guilds back in the day literally just brining the pally to the gates of Sunwell, getting buffed and then removing him for something better, kek
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>>182230019
The 3% extra crit, 2% damage aura and sader strike refreshing judgements like light and wis (which is pretty huge) is what they would bring pallys for, not to mention the extra blessings.
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Can someone post the real alliance discord. I found one but it has MoH people in it.
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>>182229892
I thought prot paladins were brought for off-tanking in raids?

I'm fine with healing but prot and aoe tanking is what sounds the most fun to me.

>>182229949
A typical raid comp brings 1 prot paladin, 1 ret paladin, and 1 holy so I'm not sure how that's wrong.
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>>182229907
Every man for himself is nice but its literally just a free trinket. People really love to overstate how good it was especially given the plethora of cc that was in wrath.

Oh you broke out of a cc with your racial? Heres another 10 in a row
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>>182230164
Mocky this has to stop at some point. You're almost in your 30's. Don't you want a girlfriend? You're not gay are you?
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>>182230143
And extra BoP which is super valuable when pest control is needed.
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>>182230194
They were, but a warrior can easily do that job and since the raid already has fury or arms warriors they can just put on a shield. The problem was that prot and ret simply didn't stand out from their counterparts. There was no time where you'd be like "man we really need a prot pally for this boss!", "if we had a ret here doing sick dps we'd get this done so much faster". However there are plenty of times other classes come in handy either for CC or just straight up damage.

It wasnt until wrath when warriors and paladins were interchangeable and not just WARRIOR TANK OR GO HOME. In fact for a lot of encounters prot pally was just straight up better which was a refreshing change of pace
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>>182230462
>a warrior can easily do that job
>they can just put on a shield
Like on Hydross, or Morogrimm or Vashj or literally any fight with adds, right.
The warrior will also wrangle aoe adds just as easily, yes?
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>>182230462
>There was no time where you'd be like "man we really need a prot pally for this boss!"
Except for when you're doing Solarian, Morogrimm, Al'ar, Hydross, Akama, M'uru and arguably Kil'Jaeden.
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>>182230547
>what is thunder clap
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>Paladins on both sides will have Seal of Blood

Seriously? I get that SoB is insanely powerful and makes ret actually viable for DPS, but it's kind of stupid to give it to Alliance, NOT a fan of major changes like this, makes it feel like a fun server and not Blizzlike
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>>182230760

They won't, it's only for the beta testing.
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>>182230740
>ok bros i thunder clapped, rev up those soc's.
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>>182230740
>This ability causes additonal threat and will affect up to 4 targets.
>up to 4 targets
>4 targets
Yeah the fury warrior is thunder clapping, just aoe the murlocs guys.
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>>182230760
its a bug from the insta 70, im Ally priest right now and have literally all the horde racials, but not a single ally one for some reason, kek
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>>182230462
>In fact for a lot of encounters prot pally was just straight up better which was a refreshing change of pace
In WotLK warriors were the JUST REROLL LMAO tanks for like 2.5 content patch.
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>>182230783
>>182231040

Good, glad to see they aren't giving in and just giving everyone every racial spell, that would suck.
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>>182227224

As far as I know, there is no nerfed gear, and it never launched with ZA anyways, that was fairly late in the expansion. Same with Isle, that came with SW. Youre not supposed to have those daily quests and the insane amount of gold they give. You sound like a retarded carebear.
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Best race/class/spec combo is the one that you will actually be able to get to 70 on a 1x server and know how to utilize it properly.
Ideal raid compositions are opinion based after 13 years of the games existance but knowing the limits of your snowflake ret pala boomkin elemental shaman survival hunter spec is important.

Play what you like, play what you like gearing up for that char selection screen view or for the animations and don't be delusional about your race/class/spec reach and usefulness and you're golden.

Stop with the optimal min max shit talk now, please.
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>will be rolling prot warrior
>can't decide between engineering for the goggles or blacksmithing for offspec deep thunder for pvp
shit, what do i do m8s?
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redpill me on Loeiz
is he the ultimate tranny slayer
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>>182231187
>stop talking about the video game guys let's post about ERPing tranny namefags instead!!

kill yourself
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>>182230783
>>182231040

Wait, you can insta70 on gummy beta right now?
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>>182231245

PvP as prot. Lots of utility.
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>>182231245
blacksmithing deep thunder will net you free arena points broseph
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>want to play horde but I know all you faggots will pick suboptimal undead and blood elf racials
JUST
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>>182231407
>wanting to play the tranny faction

no
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>>182231338
>PvP as prot. Lots of utility.
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>>182231407
I will be playing a comfy tauren my m8
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>>182231285

Yeah, only for like a week more, or even less.
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>>182231407
>male troll resto shaman
>undead female spriest
>tauren male druid
these are my 3 characters for the server

did i choose well?
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>>182231345
did... did you say free? FREE?
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>want to try something else other than an alliance character
>get drawn to Elwynn / Westfall and human lore again and again

How can I learn to like Horde?
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>>182231603
are you going to pvp?
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>>182231285
where the fuck do you think we are palying, dumbo
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>Have leveled multiple characters to 60
>Experienced both Alliance and Horde
>Over and over and over again
>Don't know if I have to strength to do it again

Soooo is there going to be any EXP boost or anything to 60? Or is it just...1x?

I don't know if I can do it again, bros.
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>>182231603
The Shaman and Druid are perfect lad
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>>182231905
Just stay on warmeme you shitter.
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>>182231905
well it will be a bit faster than on vanilla if youre used to the vanilla 60 grind.
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>100-0 stunlock rogues
>cyclone spamming pillar hugging resto druids
>immortal ebola warlocks
>stun spec lolstunherald stunwarriors

ugh no thanks. northcraft can't come sooner
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>>182231484

Raise shield makes casters rage and has a short CD. Concussive blow, intercept, shockwave, etc.

Utility.
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>>182232107
>stun spec lolstunherald stunwarriors
cant wait to play desu
t. warrior
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>>182232116
>>182231484

Also counters rogues extremely hard with all those revenge hits, which cant be avoided. Youve also got disarm and other stuff I cant think of. As part of a group, with occasional heals and a dps to support, they are very strong.
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>>182232107
>retretretretretretretretretretretretret
>lol armorpen shadowmourne rape machine warriors
>DEATH KNIGHTS

Enjoy.
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How does the gear changes on Gummy's effect Rogues? I heard some people discuss it gutting Rogues until Black Temple.
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>>182232116
>raise shield
>shockwave in tbc
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>>182232107
>tfw orc
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>>182232203
>counters rogues
more like gets ignored by rogues
>revenge hits
wow 300 damage.
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>>182232107
>>182232153
I like that Mace Spec with Deep Thunder made for some cheesy and hilarious pvp but doesn't it railroad you into just using that spec alone? What if I really dig Lionheart and want to make a build around it? Or the axe (whatever it was called, i don't think anyone gave a shit about the axe)
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>>182232304
you think a rogue can kill a prot warrior in tbc? jesus where have your brains gone
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>>182232312
I dig to win more than I dig Lionheart so I'll be grabbing stormherald.
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>>182232312
i think mace spec was just straight up better since it procced off white and yellow hits (i could be wrong) and didn't share diminishing returns with the thunder stun proc.
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What do you think of my Stunherald Protection with equip macros to shield slam-spec?
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>>182231170
The gear is the same as it was at launch, instead of how it was for 99% of tbc. The 2.0 gear is worse than naxx gear. It was fixed four months after launch. Go look at Tsunami and DST. Enjoy worthless t4 and t5 that guilds will never do again you fucking retard.
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>>182232107
THIS
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>>182232405
Eventually.
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Reminder that Alliance is the better choice.
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>>182232405
>what is rupture kiting
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>>182232603
nah. rogue can vanish and give up, thats about it. unless youre talking about a tank without actual tank gear and a rogue with gear
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>>182232515
>2 hand pvp protection
Are you actually planning on sundering people? Why do you have devastate.
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>>182232706
>rogue vanishes
>warrior uses piercing howl, intercept
>hamstring
>trinket
>concussion blow
>ded
pshhh nothin' personnel.... kidd.......
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>>182232686
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>>182232754
>Are you actually planning on sundering people
Of course, armor reduction has increasing returns and I'd rather press devastate for instant half damage than wait for a white hit
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>>182232836
You can't devastate with a two hander.
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>>182232706
Rogue can just rupture kite the tank until he dies or gives up on life.
And the tank can do nothing about it.
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>>182232885
Whoops.
Well now I look dumb
Well I'll cycle out devastate and one point in commanding presence and get improved execute 2/2 then
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>>182232230

Am I mistaken? Its called raise shield from what I remember, but its essentially spell reflect. Reflect spell. I know they get spell reflect in tbc.
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>>182232895
>what is piercing howl
>what is charge/intercept
>what is concussion blow
>what is daze
>what is hamstring
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>>182233121
>what is warrior deadzone
>what is not having rage
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>>182232895

Hamstring, multiple forms of stunning, also rend to prevent you from going into stealth. Really, just hamstring spam mixed with the occasional stun. Also, chances are you get blasted by ranged at the same time. They are good for peeling rogues off other people.
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>>182232976
You could get two points in deflection to make revenge proc slightly more?
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>>182233121
If you seriously think a prot warrior will get the rage for any of this when he's ruptured and deadly poisoned and the rogue hangs around at 7-8yd range then you're absolutely fucking delusional.
>>182233218
Ranged are dead because the warrior was ignored completely, as he has ONE form of stunning outside of intercept and can be cc'd at will.
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>>182233180
warriors can trade hp for rage and generate rage just for being in combat
everytime he takes he also generates rage of course
>dead zone
irrelevant for good players, also piercing howl has 15y range
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So is there any pvp actually going on, or is everyone just sitting in a city.
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>all these people in a private server thread who literally didnt know about bleed kiting

how the fuck do you people dress yourselves
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>>182233263
I bet you sap warriors in arena too lmao
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>>182227224
3/10, work on your grammar.
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No chests in 5 mans. Shit server. 'blizzlike'
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>>182233285
And costs 10 rage which you won't have, because you won't be hitting the rogue.
Crippling poison is 70% movement speed reduction.
>"good players" can somehow stop a rogue from abusing the dead zone
lmao.
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>>182230740
>your average /vg/ brainlet's input on tanking
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>>182232107
>3.0 DK

Good times.
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>>182233413
there is two options:
you open up on the warriors friend, resulting in the warrior using his focus intervene macro and shitting on you
you open up on the warrior and he piercing howls you (contrary to what you might believe, the warrior isn't completely retarded and will have used bloodrage to have some rage to deal with you)
and even if he doesn't, his buddy is now attacking you
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>>182233680
Warrior gets sheeped and buddy gets rekt.
Or is it 1v2?
Oh and the warrior used his bloodrage to Intervene, so he does fucking nothing because he gets ignored and has 0 rage generation.
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>>182233867
>warrior gets sheeped
>rogue and mage
good meme
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>>182233964
>warriors are immune to sheep
>prot warrior has rage to do anything after blowing bloodrage and intervene without anyone hitting him
good meme.
how about you try out how warrior rage generation works when you're prot. make a warrior on gummy beta and go hit a mob. see how many abilities you get to use and how often.
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>>182232107

>ebola warlocks

I remember warlocks being op as fuck, don't remember what this term means. All the dots with life draining included?
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/v/ are laughing at us again anons
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>>182234121
Affi drain locks.
basically just cancer that fucks you over time. Hence ebola
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>>182212096
>"They're going to release it quietly so that the server isn't flooded with players so that people can get a clean head start."
>Giant countdown timer on their website

So much for releasing it quietly, the launch is going to be a fucking mess.
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>>182234191
I see, makes sense.
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>>182234187
wonder what would happen if I ran that filename through the archives
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>>182232107
Wotlk had specs and comps that shit all over others too, though i do think it was a tad more balanced
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>>182234476
>Wrath PvP had specs and comps that shit all over others too.

You mean TSG. The only spec for PvP for most of WotLK.
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cant wait to play my cutie fem gnome warlock
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>>182234609
>all plate comps

god how i loved this. finally plate wearers fucked everything else in the game HARD. the tears were many and delicious. it even got to the point where warriors and dks did so much damage that the holy pally could go ret and toss out some offheals and still kick ass
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H or A?

Which will subject me to less ganking?
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>>182234029
>warriors are immune to sheep
I don't remember saying that, can you point out where I did so?
Rogue and Mage is a shit comp
A good warrior will spell reflect your polymorph with equip/spell reflect macros or just charge the mage and dick him while he's casting it if you're not in combat yet
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>>182234281
Well, did you find anything?
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>>182234785
horde

but youll have to play with autistic /elyg/ trannies
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>>182234476
>>182232107
WOTLK was the least balanced part of world of warcraft by a HUGE margin

>TSG (especially with ARP/shadowmournes)
>rets/dks for the first half of the expac
>beast cleave
>wizard cleave
>unkillable prot/holy pally healers

that shit was RETARDED
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>>182235201
Don't forget the birth of KFC
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>>182235346
i never knew what kfc was
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>>182235201
fuck off. ill take that any day over the shitfest that vanilla pvp was (duur ud rogues/mages forever) and the even shittier shitfest that tbc pvp was.
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what faction is momleri playing
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>>182235201
>vanilla world of undead rogueorcstunresistcraft
>not retarded

kys yourself
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>>182235509
>>182235450
>vanilla pvp balance
>mattering
it was literally just BGs and world pvp for fun, there was no COMPETITIVE pvp for it to matter in
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>>182235549
>world pvp for fun

yes i recall fond memories of being run by a train of bored 60 undead rogues in every zone while leveling and being endlessly kited by undead mages
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>>182235623
I have fond memories of fighting other mid-30s in STV and other 60s in silithus/EPL

Just because you are bitchmade doesnt mean world pvp isnt fun as fuck
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>>182234029
They drain you while healing themselves. Its very hard to kill them, especially when paired with a shadow priest.
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>>182235549
>vanilla pvp balance not mattering when there was literally nothing else to do at 60 besides raidlog

Kinda wish it was tbqh
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>>182235691
Vanilla pvp balance was good enough to have fun in world pvp on almost any class, which is all that mattered for vanilla PVP.

It can't really be compared to BC and on balance when things were actually supposed to be competitive ESPORTS READY bullshit
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>>182235671
>implying STV was anything other than an aids ridden shithole full of bored grey killers

anon...
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BTW rogues are nerfed from the start with the shit they got hit with at the end of the expansion, so rogues will be shit compared to what they were like for seasons 1 2 and 3 - while actually in season 1 2 and 3. For example, Im almost certain the talent in assassination that gives 30% bonus crit dmg on abilities like hemo - was 30% bonus crit on ALL ATTACKS
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>>182235778
The only times I remember getting ganked in STV were a ridiculous campfest around nessingwary and a few times right outside BB

I remember pvping equal level guys and having the time of my life all over the place
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>>182235809
are you saying gummy is a funserver??
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>>182235879

Im saying I wont be rolling a rogue, because they did a lot more white damage before that nerf, and it was the reason people started playing as mute. The crit bonus was only for ability dmg, and poisons became the go-to in order to compete with warriors. The meta turned into warrior+druid, all day, every day.
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>>182235201
i loved wotlk because of how balanced the pve was. i was totally happy to heal a dungeon or raid because i knew that i COULD dps or tank if i wanted to, i'm just filling a role needed to get this dungeon group going asap. the fact that anything before wotlk shoehorned hybrids into just healing was fucking gay
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do we get to keep our chars when it goes live or will everything get wiped?
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Why is the gear pre-2.1?

Is Gummy stupid?
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>>182235950
? ele and enh shaman were things in tbc. so were feral druid offtanks, and feral dps. paladins were fine aoe tanks, and even though ret was a bit of a meme it wasn't awful. only in vanilla really were hybrid specs forced to heal
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>>182236006

Seems really dumb to have the class nerfs from the end of the expansion and gear from the start. Also, that will clearly destroy rogues pve dps with their white dmg being toned down.
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>>182236070
ele and enh were brought for lust, feral dps was a meme, any tank other than prot warrior was niche and ret was a complete joke on alliance and less of a joke on horde but still a joke.

hybrids being fully functional and competitive was awesome and only happened in wotlk onwards
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>>182236140

You could toss out the emergency heal, here and there, as an ele sham. You actually had to worry about mana though, so it wasnt smart to do more than a few LHW if your healers are slacking or whatever.
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>>182236140
feral dps is definitely not a meme if you play and gear it correctly, and use consumables
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>>182236093
Good, fuck rogues
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>>182236006
It's a way of making the raids harder without overtuning them.
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>>182235450
>he thinks rogues were good for pushing rank in vanilla

Holy shit the wrath babby delusions lmfao.
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>>182236243
this "emergency healing" things is just a meme. if dps and healers are doing their jobs clutch heals aren't a necessity and you can bet that stopping your rotation to heal the idiot rogue who stood in the bad is going to hurt your raids dps more than if you just let the moron die.
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Also, cheat death is reliant on resilience, and you cant get nearly enough for season 1 2 and 3, to reach the cap. Thats one of the big changes. Sure you dont like rogues, but this will totally fuck up the arenas - and youre a scub if you think thats fine and blizzlike.
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>>182236321
feral dps was subpar even with powershifting
it was always a joke
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>>182236379

>play ret in tbc
>try to play it as a warrior who heals his comrades in the time of need
>out of mana after two heals
>nothing left to do but jump around hoping for quick death
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>>182236743
>tfw there will never be a fun relatively balanced western medevil MMORPG that isn't cancer free to play garbage
>tfw we have to settle for wow private servers

I just want to have fun going on adventures and slaying dragons with strangers I met in a forest god dammit.
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How are Rogue DPS rated with the Gummy gear changes? I heard all melee DPS got nerfed a bit with it.
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Can anyone confirm if locks have the mana drain nerf which pretty much killed SL/SL in later seasons?
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>>182236874
Worthless until T6.
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>>182236743
the only way this kind of thing works is by making sure you refresh judgement of light on whatever you're all hitting. the amount of times i would stop what i'm doing to BoP the rogue who pulled aggro in my 5 man only to have him do it again the next pull and die made me wish i'd played a warrior or something instead so i wouldn't even have the option of trying to save his stupid ass
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What are some things I or my raid can do to help me generate threat as tank? I'm not talking about obvious things like buffing my damage but things like Shamans giving Earth Shield since the heals originate from me and I get the threat.
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>>182237154
have a paladin give everyone but you salvation
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>>182237287
im not sure if reserving a raid slot just to have an extra paladin giving everyone salvation is worth it
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>>182236743
Why play ret when you can play feral?

>Tank dies
>Battle rez
>Healer oom
>Innervate
>Tank dies with no battle rez
>Go into bear form and AOE taunt
>Everyone is low on health and about to die
>Tranquility and heal everyone to full
>Free flying mount that comes with free training
>All for free and 2 levels before anyone else
>Stealth and crazy self heals
>Unkillable GOD in PVP
>Talents give both DPS and tank perks

Paladins are bros but druids do it soooo much better.
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>>182236140
>ele and enh were brought for lust
Thats not a meme though? If my dps is trash but im still brought to a group for buffs, I'm a viable class.

>Feral DPS was a meme
If you geared and specced properly you could compete with rogues before meme glaives

>any tank other than prot warrior was niche
Feral was shit, prot was a valuable AOE tank tho

>ret
yeah you finally got to a real useless spec. It and boomkin were the only ACTUAL worthless specs. I'll take one or two specs being worthless but every spec bringing unique stuff to the raid over WOTLK and on's "lol man just bring whatever you want dude everything does the same thing anyway"
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>>182237364
It is, if your dps are doing less threat that means they can do more damage.
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>>182237387
Druids in TBC are fucking great, not only do they bring so much to groups but they're pretty fun to play

And thanks to Gummy, they'll be better than rogues in every single way.
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>>182237387
if we're going off of "what ifs" then why not just play a fury warrior? you do way more dps than both the other classes combined and IF the other members of your group aren't stupid, shit won't go wrong and you'll top the meters. i get that sometimes shit goes wrong but if nothing ends up going wrong then you're hypothetically just a subpar dps with wasted backup utility.

Also Arms warriors are gods in arena too
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>>182237589
>And thanks to Gummy, they'll be better than rogues in every single way.
Is this the latest hot meme?
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>>182237643
Nah it's rogue false flags.
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>>182236858

I always felt that low level leveling experience captured the "band together with strangers to kill shit" amazingly well. The raid bosses of this part of the game were basically the non-trivial group quests.

It's the only part of the game where specs almost don't matter, everyone's a noob and no one gets picked on, even the opposite: people formed guilds on the basis of early group play.

Too bad the experience got obliterated once cata hit and nerfed heavily before and after.
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>>182237561
>i'll take one or two specs being worthless

Sure you would, if you don't want to play those worthless specs. Some people happen to like them and wouldn't mind if they were at least viable.

Also that "bring whatever" class homogenization thing didn't happen until after WotlK. Hybrids weren't only brought for their unique raid utility (rets giving crit with judgement and damage with aura for example) but they did enough damage to be competitive if played well. If you look at it, ALL specs were desired and even then you still stacked fury warriors and rogues like in vanilla because they shit out dps.
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>>182237387
>tank dies
shit tank or shit healer
>healer oom
shit healer (paladin healers should never run oom), shit dps cant kill shit fast enough
>tank dies with no battle rez
see above
>everyone on low health about to die
people doing shit they shouldnt be, need to learn mechanics
>free flying mount
eh
>stealth and crazy self heals
eh
>unkillable god in pvp
yes resto druids were cunty

i'd rather not play a class based having a few neat perks and on others being bad
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>>182237708
>all these new startup mmo's trying to emulate that old school feeling
>they can't even get something as simple as movement down and all manage to feel even more clunky than a 13 year old game based in a 20 year old engine

time to kill myself, wildstart was the worlds last hope and it got memed to death
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>>182237963
>Expects everyone to one shot everything and never wipe on anything ever
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>>182237963
What a stupid and useless post, jesus
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>>182237801
>Also that "bring whatever" class homogenization thing didn't happen until after WotlK.

BULLSHIT it didnt happen till after WOTLK, WOTLK is where it started. WOTLK is where we went from all sorts of different buffs and debuffs to a like 20 categories of them. WOTLK is when buffs were made group wide, so instead of wanting multiple people to buff different groups you just needed one. WOTLK is when bloodlust got given to 3 more classes so you had no reason to bring shaman because they just did less dps than mages.

FUCK wotlk class balancing
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>>182237981
those new MMOs you're talking about are trying to emulate old everquest, not WoW
that's why they're so clunky
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>>182238090
>WOTLK is when bloodlust got given to 3 more classes
it's don't
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>>182237981
>wildstar

WIldstar was legitimately made by retards. They took the worst part of vanilla wow (the raiding) and put it in a game with the worst part of new wow (the open world). So they ended up with a disjointed, boring as fuck open world and dumbass 40m raids. If they had taken the best part of vanilla (the open world) and the best part of new wow (the raids) they could have printed money
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>>182237998
>not expecting people to know what they are doing in a decade old game and with the plethora of information available online telling them exactly what to do

have fun being stuck in kara forever i guess
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>>182238191
its' do
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Don't play druids, they're horrible
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>>182238232
*beats you up*
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>>182238191
You're right, my bad. It's when it got made raid wide and only one use/10 minutes so you only wanted to bring 1 shaman for it instead of as many as you thought were optimal in BC
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>>182238232
Don't listen to weeaboos, they're horrible
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>>182237963
>EVERYONE IS BAD BUT ME

You have some insanely high expectations for pugs, I wish I could see how hard you rage when you wipe.
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>>182238205
I never played it past the first 20 levels but what I do remember is that the movement was a step up from WoW's and wiping in a level 15 dungeon was the most refreshing thing I've experienced in a game in 10 years.

Wasn't in the mood to do the boring questing though so I quit. But yeah, I did hear a lot about the end-game being shit.
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>shutdown by blizzard 2 weeks later
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>>182238090
>bloodlust
>given to 4 classes total

nigga even in Legion only shamans and mages have lust, the fuck are you talking about

go be stupid somewhere else
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>>182238221
>Implying people are going to spend hours reading up on everything to play on a private server

You punch your desk when you get mad, don't you?
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>>182238337
Hunters have lust in legion.
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>>182238302
Not that any other game would be able to keep me for two weeks anyway, seems like a reasonable way to spend my time even in a worst case scenario
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>>182238295
The 5 mans were out of this world amazing but the open world was the same disjointed, 0 challenge, 0 world pvp bullshit we have in retail wow
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>>182238360
>it takes hours to read up a boss fight

please tell me your name on cummys so i can avoid your inept ass
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>>182238378
The only 5 man me and a friend did was fun as fuck to learn. It was more challenging than most raids I've done in WoW and actually interactive because of the roll mechanic.

I can only imagine how fun it would be to run some raids with 15-20 people with those kinds of mechanics. Maybe it would lose its charm after awhile, I don't know. Wish I stuck with the game. Feels pointless to try and play it now since it's completely dead.
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>>182237963
>It's everyone else's fault if we wipe

Oohhh man you're in for some fun times if this is how you think.
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>>182238372
only if correctly specced for it. a marksman hunter does not have it for example. mages and shamans have it by default
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>>182237963
>Saying 'eh' to a free instant cast flying mount that would otherwise cost you 1k+ gold
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>>182238538
everyone elses? i implied it was SOMEONES fault because it almost universally is unless a bug or something out of the groups control.

learn reading comprehension my dude
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>>182238647
Because gold is so terribly hard to come by in TBC, what with all the daily quests?
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>>182238764
>Being a cuck who does daily quests when you can get everything for free instead
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>>182238831
>this is worth playing a subpar class for

o im laffin
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>>182238959
>Druid
>Subpar
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>>182239049
>>182239049
I personally find paladin more fun, warriors have to be babysat by a healer in order to be any good, but a paladin can hold his own ground.
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>>182239001
it is unless you are resto tho...
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>The class starwpoll
Dont tell me there are only 5 edgelords who are going to roll rogue? Was rogue shit in TBC or something? I wouldnt mind going either prot war, sub rogue or warlock (affi or destro)
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>>182239049
man blizz really knocked it out of the park with warrior sets in tbc. all 3 tiers looks fucking sick and i plan on playing warrior just to get my hands on them. pally on the other hand...

>mfw crystalforge set
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>Always play warlock
>Want to play something else but have no idea how to play anything else and don't know what I'd even find fun
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>>182235778
>>182235623
I leveled during Elysium launch and I had fun in STV and later on in other areas PvPing. The cancer started when chinks began ranking. All those subhumans do is camp every single flightmaster for free HKs because they get completely assraped in BGs. During chink off hours the game turns back to what it was on vanilla retail.
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>>182239176
sub rogue is shit
assuming you mean deep sub and not combat hemo
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>>182239326
>tfw live in pretty much the same time zone as chinks
I hope they are strict about banning chink ips
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>>182239341
Oh thats kind of shame. Levelling at least was extremely fun in sub. Oh well. How many tanks will the guild have?
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>>182239379
Isn't Australia a chink colony anyway? All the chinks will play from the same IP range as you my man
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>>182217367
>post deleted
>he doesn't know what an avatar is
Typical
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>>182237561
Having a ret > having a 2nd Holy paladin eventually.
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>>182239410
not sure, I don't think the spreadsheet has the specs listed
2 I think, who knows if they will actually get to 70 though
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>>182234852
>Rogue and Mage is a shit comp
Did you start playing wow in Legion? It's one of the best of not the best comp in s1 and it stays very strong until end of TBC.
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>>182239436
I'm playing from worst korea

Come think of it I might be more screwed because of that
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>>182239514
It was deleted because that shitpost has been spammed for months
Also, not even my post
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>>182239527
like end of the expansion in t6? sure ok lol see you in 2019
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>Want to play ret paladin on Elysium
>Everyone goes ape shit
>Tells me no one will take me and I'll fail
>Level to 60 without any problems
>Get into groups without any problems
>Even get into a few MC runs no problem
>All as a ret paladin
>Want to play ret paladin on Felmyst
>Everyone goes ape shit

I'm having a real hard time believing you guys sometimes, you guys are always like "NO NO RET IS SHIT, DRUID IS SHIT, EVERYTHING BUT THESE 4 CLASSES ARE SHIT!" but I had no problem playing and gearing the classes you all said were shit?

Hell, even looking back on old world first kills they had feral druids and ret paladins in raid competing with other DPS just fine


Is it a meme to just bash on any class that isn't warrior/rogue/priest/mage?
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>>182239712
Late t5 actually. But not on Gummy as he's sticking to pre-2.3 gear so Ret sets are fucking worthless, making it much more difficult to gear to similar effect.
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>>182239783
>Even get into a few MC runs
Woah, you've set the bar REAL HIGH with this one.
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>>182239783
Esfand pls, you're only allowed to do anything as Ret because you stream and people want to be seen
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>>182239783
Don't listen to people on here, despite everyone having conniptions about feral druids, I played one on elysium and was able to find groups just fine, even raided a few times

Just play what you enjoy playing, you'll have no problems finding groups, people don't care so much that they won't invite you just because you're a certain class/spec, trust me.
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>>182239701
enjoy being ip banned my friend
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>>182239710
It's avatar fagging still because he is attempting to talk through an avatar
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I want to play Belf but I fucking hate other Belf players.

I'm really hoping that being a private server means they're going to be more mature than retail ones.
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>>182239783
wow you even got into a few mc runs? nice one my dude, are you a professional raider?
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>>182240016

You can stop hoping right now friend, save yourself some disappointment.
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>>182239783
if you want to play a ret paladin why not just play an arms warrior instead? you want to hit stuff with a 2 hander but have shit mobility, no way to slow a target or keep up with one, do shit for dps and essentially get carried? because that's basically what playing a ret is.
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>>182240016
>I'm really hoping that being a private server means they're going to be more mature than retail ones.

Hahahahaha, oh HELL no, is this your first private server? If so you're in for a treat

>Trolls
>Griefers
>Exploiters
>Scammers
>Corrupted GMs
>Hackers
>CGF spam everywhere
>Chinks and brazilians EVERYWHERE
>Server staff drama resulting in people jumping ship
>Le meme guilds and /b/ users everywhere

This is the case with literally every single private server out there, if you think people are going to be mature, you're out of your fucking mind, people act in game how they act in this thread

Have fun!
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Are there any other autists recreating their retail TBC characters as much as they can?
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>>182240269
Do Chinks play with English clients? Cause that's the only one allowed on the server.
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>>182239823
>2.0 retribution sets are spelldamage heavy
>Belfs get nothing out of it
>Alliance gets minor scaling on SoCom
Rip.
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>>182240341
>Tsunami and DST will stay in their prebuff form forever
>The city of meleecucks
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>>182240016
>I'm really hoping that being a private server means they're going to be more mature than retail ones.

I really hope you're baiting, if not then I hope you're ready to be disappointed, because private servers have some of the worst most immature communities out there.
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>>182240273
I sort of want to do this with my gnome warlock but I always hated how T4 made him look like a bobble head or one of those retarded figure things that people love
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>>182240308
>Install English client
>Go into WoW settings
>Change language to Chinese

Yep, they flood the fuck out of every private server, there's a lot of money to be made with private servers, gold prices are insanely high.
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>>182240273
>leveling as a 2h holy paladin stacking of the eagle gear

Not gonna recreate the pain.
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>>182240437
My only concern is that as a Tauren prot warrior I'll have a hard time finding raid groups. Back in the day I had a guild of mates from school so it wasn't a worry.
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>tfw elesham with leather working
Gonna be lit
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>>182240564
Where can you change the language? I can't find it.
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>>182240016
>I'm really hoping that being a private server means they're going to be more mature than retail ones.
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>>182240626
I have asked two guilds and both want me to tank for them
t. also gonna be a tauren warrior
we should be friends, tanks should be friends
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>>182240626
warriors that are prepared to both dps and tank if needed never have trouble finding raid spots. not only does fury do solid dps (that gets better as the expansion goes on) but just carrying a prot set and being willing to tank sets you apart from the other 90% of the warriors on the server
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>>182240769
>fury
>solid dps
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>>182240631
gonna be litty
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>>182240093
maybe he isn't autistic and didn't want to do mc 300 times
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>>182240769
>fury do solid dps
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>>182240819
>>182240943
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>>182240769
>not only does fury do solid dps (that gets better as the expansion goes on)
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>>182241109
Truth be told it DOES get better. Eventually.
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>>182241249
Yeah in WOTLK.
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>>182241284
Actually no because early WotLK fury was a complete joke.
In t6 warriors finally stop being a liability.
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>>182241367
>Once you get full T6 and all the BIS pieces THAT'S when fury starts doing damage
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>>182241563
Pretty much.
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>>182241367
>t. never played progressive wotlk
fury warrior with those massive arp proc trinkets was top 1 no question
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Human or Gnome warlock?
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>>182241760
No.
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>>182241629
Read the fucking post you replied to you halfwit. Early wotlk Fury talents and especially TG were absolutely shit.
They added "shield in off-hand" requirement to Devastate because dual wielding 1h's and speccing Devastate was better dps than deep Fury at launch.
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Why do people never talk about playing as the Draenei?
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>Every video I see has hunters completely dominating meters in BGs and raids

Are hunters really that good in TBC?
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>>182241891
u mad bro?
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>>182242064
They're pretty good.
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I've been pronouncing Dreanei as Draynee my entire life
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>>182242412
Retard
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>>182242064
PvE wise they're pretty much cruise control with macros. You can play without them to make it more interesting.

In PvP they're strong in battlegrounds/world PvP if you're willing to take the time to learn the class. There's a wide gap between the skill floor and ceiling. Arenas are pretty tough unless you have a very strong team/partner.
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>>182242064
Yep, strong CDs, insane sustained due to pet attack speed being modified by haste back in TBC, they're pretty much a walking machine gun

Only problem I have with hunter in TBC is that ammo costs a FUCK ton and pet pathing is always awful on private servers.
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>>182242064
>TBC hunter
>lowest skill cap for good PvE stuff
>highest skill cap for good PvP stuff
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>>182242534
The "do everything" macro is broken on Felmyst, it doesn't work sadly, so it's a little less brain dead.
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>>182242682
1:1.5 fucks up but 3:2 with /castrandom arcane,multi works.
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>>182242580
>pet pathing is always awful on private servers
not this time, play the beta if you dont believe me
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>>182242064
I love hunter, but a few things really annoy me

>Having to tame every pet to learn every ability
>Paying gold to auto attack

I can live with buying ammo, but having to go out and tame everything in order to learn all your pet's abilities is annoying as fuck, is that still a thing in TBC?

Like if you want your pet to know a higher rank of taunt you have to go out and tame something that has it, that's annoying as fuck.
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WHO THE FUCK EVEN WANTS TO PLAY TBC? IT RUINED WOW.

WHY EVEN REROLL? WHAT'S THE POINT? DON'T YOU ALREADY HAVE MAX LEVEL CHARACTERS ON ELY? WHY ABANDON THEM? WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR DEAL?
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>>182243127
You still gotta tame all the pets in TBC. There are addons that track which ones you need though.
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>>182243156
>tfw can't even sell my character
FUCK YOU GUMMYFAGS
ANOTHER FUCKING YEAR WASTED
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>>182243242
Damn, the most annoying thing was being an Alliance hunter and having to go all the way to fucking northern Stonetalon Mountains to tame a cat that had a higher rank of "bite" that kind of shit was not fun

Oh and then when you finally do tame it, you have to level it up before you can learn the spell and teach it to your other pets.
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>tfw just found blood in my stools

maybe dead is finally near lads
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>>182243156
tbc didn't ruin wow imo, but it's definitely in this awkward place of what it wanted to be but couldn't until wotlk and what vanilla was but not quite.

like the zones are really bland (even if nagrand looks nice) because they were designed for flying in mind whereas vanilla zones are strictly made for walking and wotlk zones made for both but REALLY shine when you can fly in them. the dungeons are in that 'do this over and over for badges' phase and get dull long before dungeons in wotlk did because i guess they realized that if players are to do the same dungeons over and over, they better be good. conversely vanilla dungeons are more 'do this once or twice for quests and gear', which works since they are long and engaging enough.

pvp has too much growing pains since arena is new and class balance is really necessary for it to function and shits just a mess. flying killed wpvp so wotlk had wintergrasp to try to remedy that. class balance overall is still 'hybrids heal' and range dps is king.

the only thing tbc nailed were the raids. kara was amazing and the rest were on point especially hyjal
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>>182243576
How much? How dark was it?
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>>182243576
U got cancer anon, I'm sorry
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FILL ME IN, BROS!

I never played on Warmane, why do so many people hate it?

Also is the website true? Are there really 14k people playing on there right now?
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>>182243576
>wipe my ass after a savage shit
>blood on the paper
>start sweating bullets
>thoughts of bowel cancer keep me awake all night
>turns out i just wiped too hard because the shit was so bad and wet that i scratched my hole into bleeding

If its actually mixed in with your poop you really should see a doctor asap
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>>182243781
>I never played on Warmane, why do so many people hate it?
They have a fake population counter and a fake login queue. They have a service that allows you to pay to skip the queue. The fake queue is their to pressure people into paying money. They also sell gear on their website which is terrible for a private server in so many ways.
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>>182243781
Fake pop, low quality, lazy devs, cash shop out the ass
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>>182243781
No the population is fake, p2w shit and pay 2 play.
Quality wise 99% of posters here would rave about how well scripted warmane was if the server was hosted by another group. Mostly butthurt poorfags and underage kids whining
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>>182243928
>Fake population
>Fake queue
>Sells gear

Holy fuck no wonder people dislike it, that's some fucked up shit.
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>>182244024
HAHAHAHAHAHA warmeme is fucking garbage.quality wise
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>>182242412
Is that not how it's pronounced?
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>>182244213
drenai
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>>182243928
>>182244021
>>182244024
The pop counter on the site isnt exactly fake. What its showing is number of active logins in the past hour or something, not how many are currently logged in to the server. Which is why even when outland was at the 15000 cap or whatever, you could still have a chance at logging in because that number is an hour old.

Thing is they dont rectify this and show it off as a realtime pop counter which is dubious, and also push you to pay to skip a que which shouldnt exist because the number of active players is close to half of the recent login numbers, which is still an impressive number of players. But yeah, dubious and shady af
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>>182243391
You don't have to train every rank while leveling. I just take note of the zones where the higher ranks are and pick them up as I come across them. Claw is important but the difference between single ranks is pretty small. If you stick with the same pet while leveling you shouldn't have to train very often at all, and then at cap spend a few hours training pets for all of the other top ranks.
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Does anyone know what UI this is?
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Is gummy gonna have mounts at lvl 30 or 40?
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>>182244034
well there is no concrete proof of the first two, and the third one, they have servers, both tbc and wotlk without gear shop, and the other, bigger, tbc server 'will have a coin shop soon', at least that's what people here keep spouting
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>>182244538
30
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>>182244529
Cosmos
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>>182244562
>no concrete proof
>15k-20k 'players' show up on day one with little to no drop in population in other projects

Seems good.
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>>182244562
there was a post on reddit where someone used some custom /who searches within the space of 30 minutes to query players online between 1-9/10-19 etc level brackets for each class and discovered that basically the pop numbers shown on the warmane site are a little over half of the people actually playing
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>>182244529
Arena live backport
The thinking man's unit frames
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can we get a real alliance discord?

not getting drawn into the degenerate shit that was spun in MoH
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>>182244797
>>182244785
and just like i said
here is all the concrete proof /vg/ can muster against warmane
>there was a le post on leddit xd
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can i pvp/arena as an ally ret paladin?
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I've been really enjoying feral tank/dps druid

>Been able to keep up/beat other DPS easily
>Can tank or dps without needing to swap talents
>Free flying at 68
>Dominate people in PVP
>Nice self healing
>Tons of utility and buffs for my group

I'm really really enjoying it, why do so many people say it's bad? I'm having no problem topping meters in things and no problems at all tanking.
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>>182244947
Battlegrounds yeah. Arena you could do like ret/hunter or ret/mage and maybe get 1900 or something. Back on retail I knew a Ret who got 2100, but given what players know today I'm not sure if you could pull that off.
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>>182244957
I played feral tank and dps on Elysium and had no problems either, was able to tank and dps just fine, even did some raiding and was able to keep up with other dps.
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>>182244941
Yeah, I'm sure /who is just 'broken' on their server while it works on every single other realm. It only happened to 'break' when people noticed all of the fake population on their WOTLK realm a couple years ago.

I mean, its definitely not dead by any means, but it's certainly not 15k. Medivh constantly says '4k' but during the first few weeks it was no where near what Kronos II had, which was a good comparison at 5k~.
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>>182244817
Is warmemes population real?
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>>182245117
again, you keep talking out of your ass, you saw someone here said it was broken and that's it, you didn't look into it or whatever, you just ate it up

it's not broken, they said that they had either latency issues or the server kept crashing, can't remember exactly, and that was because a massive amount of autists with that autistic addon showed up and started spamming it
i mean, sure, it's a shitty coverup, but still you just ate up whatever you saw on /vg/ with most replies, you're no better than that dreaded leddit you hate so much, desu
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>>182245081
You could, you just need to play at correct hours, have access to pve weapons and a really good partner that can pick up where your class lacks.
It's not like he'll carry you, but he will have to work more than with a more "viable" partner.
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>>182245338
Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6knvLQ14TWk
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>>182244663
So he has the "nerfed" mount cost/level, no vanilla end game content, no Qs for pally/lock mounts.

What is the point of not starting at 58 beside muh economy again?
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what the F*CK is his prorblem?!?
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Pretty excited scripting looks flawless and I have high hopes for the server I am a little worried that gummy won't allow a world chat channel are we really expected to afk in shatt while searching for groups in trade channel? I can understand not wanting trolls etc. but the group finder in tbc was dog shit and even tho you tell people to they won't use it so I can easily see a situation where you'll be stuck having to sit in shatt to find all your groups where even servers like hellfire with no fucking players atleast I could get quests done while searching. This doesn't even solve the issue necessarily because people will still troll and meme in general it really only makes it more difficult to find groups
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>>182245449
Instant 58 servers lower the quality of players at max level
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>>182244852
there already is
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>>182245230
Nah it's half of what they claim
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>>182244817
>ywn be this bad at the game

feels good
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>>182245575
Link to the one without MoH people in it, please
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>>182245449
Less alts, more character attachment, people who wanna troll won't be able to just create a new account and rush to max level
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>>182245698
>link to the /vg/ discord without /vg/ people
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>>182245698
https://discord.gg/PkPkZPr
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Hey could someone rank the leveling of all the classes from least to greatest?
Hunter definitely always A+++
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>>182245575
link me Rith / Cynn#8787
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>>182245338
Why so quiet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaD8JNy56zw
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>>182245871
You must be mistaken, that one has people not from /vg/ in it
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>>182245863
So /vg/ people are now identified as spergy teen degenerate trannies?
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Ok guys fill me in on how the factions are going this time which side are all the tryhards rolling and are the alliance going to be outnumbered to shit again this time? After rolling ally on ely I really never want to deal with anything like that again but I sure as hell don't want to be on the faction with no good raiding guilds either. What do.
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>>182246102
That's pretty much the definition of people who go on 4chan, yes
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>>182246115
>which side are all the tryhards rolling
horde
>alliance going to be outnumbered to shit again this time
probably
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>>182246115
Just go whatever the fuck you wanr, you'll be in a random guild or join these degenerates
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>>182246115
As usual, on all tbc servers without an incentive to go alliance the majority will be horde. Trying to figure out faction balance from forum posts is pointless.
More information about a faction specific queue would help though.
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>tfw no nelf gf who will let me watch her get spitroasted by BGCs
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>>182246115
raiding guilds are mostly going alliance, gummy will have a faction balance system in the form of a character creation lock.
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>>182246179
Sorry pal, this aint tumblr so I'd appreciate it if you'd go back there asap
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>>182246115
Alliance has all the tryhard guilds
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>>182246115
The server is setup to avoid a major faction imbalance. Once the ratio hits a certain point, there will be a queue/lock on the overpopulated side. At worst I see a 60/40 ratio.
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>the server is new but you'll be playing with the same old imbeciles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
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>>182245550
>>182245783
With the nerfed xp values (I'm gonna assume these are in as well) and lvl 30 mount leveling is extremely fast even for a casual, people who know what they are doing won't take more than 3 days per character if they are slow to get to 58.
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>>182246115
We should make a guild together on horde.
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>>182245875
God tier
Mage hunter warlock
Meh tier
Druid shaman priest rogue
Shit tier
Warrior paladin
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>>182246343
>rolling with the autistic trannies

your fault my dude
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>blood on my shit
>sweating at night
>constantly tired
what're the odds i have colon cancer?
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>>182246456
Trannies are going Horde.
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>>182246463
>Mage

>>182246580
you most prolly overate on pizza once again, fatso
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>>182246658
I've lost a lot of weight lately and haven't eaten pizza in a very long time.
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>>182246658
Implying frost mage isn't comfy as fuck
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>>182246463
Druid and Mage need to switch spots. Druid is slow 1-20 but after you have cat form it's very fast. Mage spends too much time drinking.
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>>182246580
>blood on my shit
eat more fiber
>sweating at night
>constantly tired
go to the doctor, get a sleep study done
you probably just have sleep apnea
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>>182246628
Well fuck that then.
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>>182246115
the official /wpsg/ guild is going to be <pupper pals> on horde, that's where you want to be
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>look at 2.0 itemization
>laugh at melee even more
I'm not bringing a sigle non-ranged dps to 5 mans.
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I'm finally going to join a normie guild and have fun, free from this autistic group of spergs
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>>182246754
i sure love drinking after every 2 mobs
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>>182247121
good for you
have fun
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>>182247121
it's too late for you now, you're not able to have fun with normies anymore
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>>182246757
I put Druid in the meh tier because even after they get cat form you don't get ferocious bite until level 32 and your damage doesn't pick up til Outland. Yes you can fight multiple mobs heal tank and stealth but none of that matters if you kill shit painfully slow (this is what puts paladin in the shit tier) mages have the opposite problem they kill things very fast but have a lot of downtime. What really puts Magee above the rest though is their access to portal and conjures in combination with all their strengths
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>>182247121
>normie guild
They'll lose steam in a couple weeks, don't worry, we'll welcome you back with open arms.
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>>182247037
Jokes on you, i'm playing prot pala and collecting all the prot/dps gear
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>>182247236
Not true.
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>>182246343
Or maybe I should make both guilds, I need time to recharge my autism, my shitpost will tear this place up.I've lurked enough, I've studied their moves, I framed their psychological profiles.
Ever, since my resurrection, I'm getting stronger, stronger to succeed in vanquishing the vile abominations.
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>>182246880
I have never before had bad sleep in my life
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>>182247121
me too
I already got a spot as tank :3
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playing an arms warrior is like if i played a ret paladin and seal of command always procced and critted
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>>182247681
Except rets hit harder and command hits WAY harder.
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>>182247745
>ret hits harder
>than a warrior
>tbc
reactionimage.jpg
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>>182247681
Playing an arms warrior is like plying a ref paladin if Ret paladins had to wait for their mana to regen from 0 to cast crusader strike each time. Oh wait...
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>>182247037
>look at casters health/resilience
>once melee gets 90dps weapons they'll two shot them
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>>182247450
It could be mild, but it does explain why you're so tired all the time
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>>182246580
You're just a no life faggot that needs to leave the PC once in a while.You can't sit the whole day
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>>182247846
>pvp
>gummy
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GUYS
GUYS
IT'S OFFICIAL
TRANNIES FROM MOH ARE ROLLING ALLIANCE
WHO'S ROLLING HORDE NOW?
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>>182247261
You don't need FB. You're better off using rip unless its a very squishie mob. Rake -> Claw -> Claw -> Rip, one or two ticks, dead. Move to next mob. Throw up a regrowth when you need it.

If you try to go as fast on a mage you'll be drinking every two mobs. There's a reason why all of the shitbuckets play Hunter, Warlock or Druid when racing to 70.
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>>182248008
I have a job during which I walk around, I only mostly sit when I'm at home

>>182247853
It doesn't explain why there's blood in my shit or why I've lost weight (well that might be unrelated as I've started eating less with that goal in mind, but its a commonly listed symptom)
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>>182248126
>trannies
>not playing belfs
fake news
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>>182248126
mocky...
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>>182248126
I'm rolling Horde regardless of what a bunch of autists roll
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>>182247798
They do.
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>>182248223
if there is blood inside your shit you need to see a doctor
if you only see it when you wipe you should be fine as long as it isn't dark blood
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>>182248223
Just go to the doctor. If there is something serious, which in all likelhood there is not, then starting treatment when its in the early stages is extremely important.

They'll likely do a lower GI or colonoscopy which will identify any issues.

The vast majority of bleeding issues from the anus are related to internal hemorrhoids.
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>>182248126
proof?
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>>182248337
>20 seconds of hitting harder than a Warrior every 3 minutes while sacrificing survivability
>getting CC'd for 19 of those seconds
>running out of mana after 30 seconds
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>>182248575
They hit harder by default because of Vengeance and better strength scaling.
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>>182248386
I'm colorblind, I can't tell how dark or not it is, I can just tell because the paper is extremely wet to the point that its soaking through multiple layers as if I put some water on it

>>182248503
I just called my doctor and the 10/10 guy I usually go to went into pension and now it's just the shit doctor remaining there ;_;
I'll go there tomorrow I guess
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>>182248675
you prolly just have diarhea nigga
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>tfw cant stop using pixel fonts in my UI
HELP
ive been spoiled by sidestepping the hideous AA blur of other fonts
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>>182249080
Was good for a little but then completely faded away into irrelevancy?
Swifty
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>>182249172
>Was good
>>
>b-but all top guilds are rolling alliance!
>GRIZZLY
>lost server first to a pug on Elysium
>disbanded a few months after
>Celebrity
>their guild leader loses interest as soon as he hits level cap and play for a week
>disbands in a month

Meanwhile actual top dogs like Dreamstate will most likely roll Horde.
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>>182249293
>>Celebrity
literally who?
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what is the 1-60 leveling experience like in tbc? i recall wotlk making a lot of changes, but i don't remember if tbc changed anything in particular
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>>182249293
>unable to step into raids immediately in quest greens unlike vanilla
>have to grind out revered to unlock heroics
>shitty 2.0 gear itemization that will create an artificial difficulty
Most of these 'big name' guilds won't clear SSC/TK, let alone Karazhan. The 'big name' players will get 'bored', aka this is too hard, quit and then the remnants will piece together their own guild.

It's a shame that so many people flock to streamers in hopes of getting some kind of approval from them. They're just using the viewers for ad money and in game boosts. Look at Alexensual. That guy has fucked over numerous guilds on private servers and retail.
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>>182249709
You get 10% or 20% more XP, not sure which number, and some patch added more quests so overall it should be faster.
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>>182249709
wotlk may have made some minor changes but the majority were during TBC in 2.3. they nerfed most elites to normal mobs, added more quests (Dustwallow for example) and reduced the amount of xp required.

Felmyst will have all of these. It will typically take 2/3 of the time to get to 1-60 when compared to Vanilla. You can skip alot of the shitty quests (Blasted Lands, EPL grindfest, etc).
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>>182249709
>>182249783
iirc it was in one of the last tbc patches they also removed elites from vanilla.
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Enh or Elemental for raid dps?
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>>182250229
idgaf just drop windfury fag
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>>182250229
either is fine
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>>182250229
Only room for 1 enh, maybe 2 ele because they're better and have good buffs but usually 1
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Who is the Ronaldo of WoW?
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>>182250926
Me
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>>182250229
1 enh and 1 ele. I'd go to enh and blacksmithing Hammersmith
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>>182250926
what the fuck is on his feet
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>>182251009
its called loafer socks, you filthy plebeian human trash
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>>182251062
sounds something a faggot manchildren would wear
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>>182251062
only girls and absolute ultra faggots wear those, which one are you?
Trannies qualify as absolute ultra faggots, Mocky
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>>182251202
>>182251206
i dont expect poor """"people"""" to know it anyway
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>>182251278
I """know""" what they are, I'm just saying that only certain groups of people would wear these things willingly.
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>>182251361
yeah, rich and successful
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>>182251278
>poor people can't afford 1$ socks

I think you are the poor one anon if you think that is much
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>>182251408
>implying my boi CR7 doesnt wear only Hermes socks that cost 150$ for a pair
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>>182251206
From what Ive seen trannies only wear these colorful thigh high socks all the time. Which is ironic because Ive never seen a real girl wear these. Anyway they wear them because feetfags like me can easily tell what is male foot and what is female.
The more you know
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>>182248190
When leveling a Druid on elysium and hellfire earlier this year I noticed that rake and rip do just as much dps as just mindlessly spamming claw. I'm not even joking. Your damage won't increase until you get ferocious bite and even then it's nothing special. You won't really feel like you're doing any damage at all until you get mangle. Mage warlocks and hunters all feel very powerful from an early level druids don't see that return til way later
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>>182251403
Uhm no sweetie, rich and successful people don't dress like mentally ill manchildren.
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>>182251009
looks like that shit they make put on your shoes when you enter the dentist/hospitals so you dont bring dirt in, lmao

gays are usually hygiene freaks and Ronaldo is a known closet-homo
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>>182251403
and closeted
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>>182251582
I also know this.
t. fellow footfag
I wish real girls wore them more, why do we have to suffer this footbro?
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>footfags have infiltrated /felmg/
it's all over
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>>182251582
My sister wears them all the time.
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>>182252048
>/felmg/

More like /feetlmg/ am I right?
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>>182252086
Is your sister single?
Ask her if she wants to be my healslut. :3
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>>182251610
Rake/Rip give you more efficient damage per energy. It's not going to make a huge difference when mobs die in <10 seconds though. In reality once you get Pounce leveling is easy mode. Pounce -> Shred -> Shred -> Rip. Most mobs will be well below 50% health.

The point is in cat form, even at 20 without mangle and limited abilities, Druids do nearly as much damage as rogues but have zero downtime due to their heals. If mages didn't have to drink every 2-3 mobs the entire time from 1-70 then sure, they would be faster.

I didn't mention mangle before because thats quite a bit later on, but it only separates them further since it does massive damage on its own, let alone the boost to shred/bleeds. At 50 you can start to Pounce->Mangle->Shred->Rip and they die in 5 seconds instead of 10.
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>both MoH and wpsg are going horde

this should be fun
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Looking for an addon to display CC timers above nameplates.
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>>182252167
Yes but she doesn't play MMOs anymore.
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>>182251665
>gays
>hygiene freaks
>poz loads in your neghole being even remotely hygenic
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>>182251781
>Not liking bare feet more
>>182252048
Every third person you meet has foot fetish. Apparently kojimbo has also foot fetish

Reminds me of a girl that tried putting her feet into my face three weeks ago on a school trip. It was fucking disgusting. I love her friend´s feet (to which I was laying next to in bed along with her ex bf) and wouldnt mind hers but this girl wears socks all the time and it kinda put me off as unhygienic
Bare feet>Pantyhose>socks
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>>182252734
>sex =/ hygenic
how does it feel being asexual?
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>>182251665
Ronaldo is not a homo you jealous fuck.
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>>182252572
another reason to roll ally for me, thank you based tranny subhumans
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>>182252846
>h-he has a girlfriend and h-he's super hot so he's n-not gay
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>>182252996
go away manlet, you'll never win a cup with your NT
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>>182253112
who is that? is that the tesla guy? why is he wearing a clown costume?
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>>182253207
cringy redditor
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>>182239176

>end of expansion hard nerfs which make rogues garbage in every season except last
>sub destroyed as a viable spec
>mute not a viable spec either until late game with high AP gear

Hmm, lets take cheat death away from sub rogues, and cut their dmg by like 15%. That wont have any effect at all, wtf rogues, why arent you playing?
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>>182253608
>lets take cheat death
literally nothing wrong with dead

fuck cheat death
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>>182252683
Anon, that is not an acceptable answer, I need a cute thighhigh wearing healer.
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>>182253608
Rogues were representes well in every season of tbc.
Cheat death got a small nerf and required resiliance now
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>>182253608
>sub destroyed
>every single rogue is sub

hmmmm
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>>182247035

Pupper pals is appropriately titled for a bunch of little kiddos who beat off to trannies. Were calling the guild <Juda Verrecke> and seeing how long it takes for Gummy to shut the server down over it.
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>>182253768
Well good luck then.
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>>182252259
From my experience mobs generally died in about 20-25 seconds I'll agree they're better than rogues but that's not saying much I think the extra time you gain from killing things quicker as a mage (keep in mind mage will outdps a Druid naked and in tbc there is a lot of easy access to spell power items early on compared to vanilla) it will easily make up for the time spent drinking. I don't think druids are bad I think they're decent but definitely not god tier mage also has added convenience of teleports and free food
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>>182253917

>small nerf
>dying instantly from the next dot tick after a cheat death effect

This is what plebs actually think.

>>182254094
Yea, and I bet you see a lot of warlocks too even though SL/SL was nerfed and wasnt even the best spec by this point in the class balance. Isnt that going to be depressing? Being a shit class AND not having a raid spot.
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>>182253608
>mutilate
>viable in tbc
>ever
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>>182254256

At the end, in pvp, yes. People switched to using envenom because their white dmg was nerfed so hard and became non-reliant on crit rating as much as AP.
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>>182254249
Warlocks are still the bested ranged damage class so they will be represented in any spec
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>>182254457
>>182254256

Abandoned agi/crit for high AP stacking and built in mute crit rating. Poisons go through armor, and arent crit reliant. They are AP reliant, like the rest of the mute spec. People raged because they had to re-itemize their whole sets.
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>>182254256
it was, baddie
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>>182254457
are you sure you aren't thinking of 3.0
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>>182254249
>wear 0 resiliance
>wtf why does this talent modified by resiliance not work???
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>>182254475
Lets put it this way. You stopped seeing warlocks after the SL/SL nerfs. If you nerfed Warlocks, and Rogues - from the start, before season 1.. I personally predict mages will be the kings of season 1 and 2, and then balance/feral+arms will be the unstoppable force. Name a counter to S3&4 arms+balance 2's without using rogues and warlocks. The guy is clearly an idiot when it comes to pvp, the pve will be grand Im sure, but pvp will NOT be blizzlike. Arena will be completely different, we will need to find our own metas.
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why are there so many r9k faggots in these threads

jesus i can smell the BO from here
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>>182253608
>>182254457
>>182254569
This dude has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Mutilate was never better than shadowstep in 2.4.3.
Likely a confused wotlk baby because envenom was always shit and unusable in 2.4.3 pvp because it was impossible to get stacks of deadly, wound, and a crippling on 1 target
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>>182254672

The ability works based on the hard cap of like 900 or 1200 or something, I forget what it is in tbc. You need about 1000 resil for it to actually do its job, at at least 600 to expect decent results. You cant get that, not before s1, not after s2. Rogues were an extremely integral part of pvp, and were counters to certain classes who would otherwise dominate. Resto shammies may even end up being king shit, if he decides to break totem target macros.
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>>182254740
>playing Gummys for pvp
You will still see pve heros decked out in full raid gear one shotting you with deathcoil->shadowbolt crit
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>>182251654
is that a mullet? no wonder trailer trash likes him
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>>182254864

Rogues got nerfed to shit at the end. Cheat death wasnt the only thing, they had their dmg nerfed. Pretty sure shiv existed in tbc too. Ill remind you its been like what, 10 years now. Ive forgotten more about tbc than you will ever know, I bet you actually played retail beyond wotlk yourself, scrubbo.
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>>182254876
You couldn't really get past 450 resiliance as a healer in s4 bis gear.
You're mixing up tbc and wotlk, put the mouse down anon and breath
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>>182254964

Soulfire crits are the real rage fest. IIRC they can go as high as like 12-15k. PoM pyro was common and actually decent, too, but almost everyone played frost. Fire was pretty fun, if not the optimal meme spec.
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>>182254975
Rogues got other nerfs too but they weren't debilitating like you say.
You can look up bg9 and find tons of rogues there at end s4, even on private servers rogues still do very well with priests and druids in s4.

You sound like some shitter 2k scrub from retail, if you don't even remember what you're talking about why are you fucking posting retard?
I guarentee you I played more rogue arena games on retail and privates than you kid.
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>>182254983

Whatever, the point remains. You put in the cheat death nerf which relied on rogues already having around s2+s3 tier gear in s4 - and make it revolve around s1 and s2 instead, youve broken rogues with that alone. That wasnt even the only nerf, Im pretty sure it was on lethality but something for dps was nerfed. I went back and read about it earlier and on top of the cheat death nerf which I remembered, they were bitching about a dps nerf and the future 1% brutalus wipes.
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>>182255179
Private arena is all broken and shit anyways, im sure you got glad with your real money purchased wargalives, scrubbo. I doubt you managed to put together more arena hours across all expansions than I got done in tbc and wotlk before quitting.
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>>182254964
how shit you have to be for that to happen
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>>182255209
Just accept the new meta and get over it nobody cares rogues aren't the only class that will be different and we don't know how that will play out
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Why did that asperger disable world chat? Literal custom funserver
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>>182255418

Well many of us actually do know how it will play out, and my guess is that mages end up as the kings of s1 and s2 since warriors wont quite be so OP without high end gear. Most people also would prefer arena to be as blizzlike as possible. Why go through all that effort to make everything absolutely 100% the same, and then cheap out on the class abilities, giving them late expansion ones that rely on scaling appropriately with endgame gear.
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>>182255549
This
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>>182255209
Rogues are still extremely strong in 2.4.3, sounds like you are just a shitter who was never good and just got carries by OP mechanics like cheat death.

>>182255321
You're a retard who thinks mutilate was good in 2.4.3 and that sub was bad hahaha.
>rogues were shit in the end
Go back to wotlk, idiot

>>182255607
Gummy pvp will be even worse than 2.4.3 s1/t4 and t5 pvp
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>>182255549
World chat is cancer. If you actually want it back, you're the problem.
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>>182240000
hm?
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Was Fury good in TBC? I don't remember.
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>>182255898
>not top tier dps
>no cc
>melee

No. Dagger warrior as fun in Sunwell though.
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>>182256024
Well what the fuck is top tier then?
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>>182256052
Go back to /elyg/ and reddit newfag
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>>182255824
Global channels have been a retail feature in every version of the game, if you don't like it literally just don't join it. The downsides besides not having a traditional private server "world chat" are numerous: no trading or LFG outside of capital cities, no guildwide role or class channels, no private channels (I've used this to talk to a smaller group of friends ingame when guild chat is unsuitable) etc. etc.
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>>182256052

Warlock, Priest, Hunter, Mage
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>>182255770

I went around with white daggers and only rings, trinks, cloak+head hidden etc, ganking geared people before tbc was over. Im confident in my skill. Only a shitter who cant handle tbc rogues would make excuses for rogues being nerfed in a way that makes one of their main gimmicks almost totally useless due to the inability to get any amount of resil in the early seasons - by turning it into an ad hom.

You might as well make cloak of shadows only work on all the dots when you get resil capped, and it only removes 1 dot when you have less than 100. That would effect rogues about just as much. Rogues are a key part of like half the arena teams in tbc. Rogues without cheat death isnt tbc.
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>>182255824
>new to this, back on nost
>check /vg/ thread for first time, see someone asking if anyone wants to heal deadmines
>meet up with two fags from /vg/, start dungeon
>during it they keep kek'ing at something and mention world chat
>i ask about it, learn that it's even a thing and finally join it
>realize that both of them are shitposting in world the entire dungeon and it's the cringiest shit imaginable
>what did he mean by this? /pol/ bait, what if zelda was a girl, arguing about vc vs dm, naxx was in wrath, kys cuck lmao, etc etc
They were still nice outside of being complete spergs in world chat but they fit the stereotype completely as neither went past level 40. World chat can be convenient but it also gives people into shitposting a large captive audience.
You fucking nerds shitpost enough here or in your various discords, and nothing is stopping you from shitting up shatt chat anyhow.
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>>182255824
No, Im pretty sure youre just a snowflag faggot.
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>>182254234
>druids get a free teleport to kalimdor, huge bonus for alliance, good for horde (close to hub city in azeroth)
>druids rip through equal level or lower mobs as fast as mages with zero downtime
>able to stealth through camps for faster quest completion
>cat form speed boost + travel form. very few people will actually get mounts at 30.
>much better survivability and escape mechanisms in case of world pvp
>instant tag spell that has 30 yard range
>can get groups as dps or tank (or even heals if you keep a healing set updated)

mages literally have to sit every two mobs for 20 seconds to regenerate mana. while the druid kills two more.
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>>182255824
>>182255549
>>182256125
Wait how are people supposed to interact in any way if there is no LFG/world chat? Do you actually have to meet people in front of dungeon or something?
I guess it adds some realism but it sounds really inconvenient
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>>182256321

Mages can farm packs after they get blizzard.
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>>182256415
BLIZZ

LIKE
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>>182256415
Use trade chat like everyone else
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>>182256415
>no LFG
???

If it's like it was in tbc you have to actually be looking for a group using LFG to join the channel.
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>>182256245

Imagine being this much of a cucked loser that you suddenly think people are sperges because they engaged in traditional forms of trolling. Welcome to warcraft kiddo, do you know why Zelda always saves the princess? Imagine being so new that you actually dont know thats a troll, and respond angrily?

Now thats a sperge.

Youre the sperge. We laugh at you.
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>>182256439
They can't if the server is packed or if they are on alliance.

You should never level with the aoe spec on huge servers and I think gummy will easily have more than 6k with all the hype building up.
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>>182256656
>cucked

Disregarded.
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>>182256741
>Disregarded

Cucked.
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>>182256656
Repeating the same tired memes over and over isn't "traditional trolling", it's just being unrelentingly obnoxious.
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>>182256439
They can but its slower than questing. Keep in mind that the server will be packed early on so you'll have competition and a lot of PvP.
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did world chat even exist back then or did everyone just use trade or some shit?
If blizzlike then fuck off you convenience babies
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I need a healslut that will powerlevel with me during my off-work hours.
Please provide one to me.
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>>182256245
I did the same shit when I was 14. Really gives you insight into what kind of people browse this site huh? Which reminds me most people who are adults now (me included) discoevered this site when they were 14-15. Man I remember eating up everything /pol/ told me. That wouldnt be so bad because you get over the jew conspiracies quite quickly but man /r9k/ left some visible marks on me
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>>182256725
Yea, I already knew that, I just left it out to go in circles and appear right for a slight while longer. I guess this is what being a Jew feels like.
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>>182256143
>i ganked people in wotlk prepatch im so good xD
You can get plenty of resiliance in S1 for cheat death to work, you're literally just a shitter who can't play rogue unless you've got every advantage under the sun.

Literally git good wotlkbaby
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>>182255303
when you're a manlet things that are should be right there are just out of reach
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>>182256901
On my server it wasn't a thing in tbc but then again I played on a mid pop RP server, could've been different on large ones.
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anyone on felmyst able to test the mystical skyfire diamond to see of its in the 2.0 state? No internal cd. Made arcane mages super good.
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>>182256878
If it still works, its an effective troll. Its your fault for getting mad about it.

>>182256931
Ive been here since the original tbc. Zelda, Metroid and Xbox360 are the textbook troll triad. Everyone who falls for those is pathetic and exposes their own ignorance. If you actually get man, and respond to someone telling them 360 is a full circle, and that they really meant 180, I think its safe to say youre not coming along to raid. Do you know that fire is also bad to stand in? Its in question. It would be in question.
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>literal underage kids mad they can't get attention in world chat
Top kek, just stay on elysium
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>>182255607
>mages end up as the kings of s1 and s2
in what comp if not rogue mage? feral mage?
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>>182256931
that's good bait, you'll get a lot of newfags
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>>182257130
No. You cant. Youre arguing for classes to be nerfed from the start, because youre the shitter. CD was not reliant on resil until the end of the expansion, and the nerf was justified by saying rogues will already have a reasonable amount of resil. For the ability to work correctly, you need resil cap. Otherwise, it wont save you. Even with S2 levels of gear, and gemming resil which would be absolutely retarded, it still wont work right. Half right.
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>>182257474
Rogues are quite literally fine in 2.4.3, if you don't think so it's a l2p issue, since hundreds of people are successful where you are failing.

You can do the math, 200 resiliance is plenty for cheat death to be effective, again there are dozens of players on 2.4.3 servers that ran or are running S1 and rogues are doing well there too.

>I can't do something but tons of other people can do it
>I'm not a shitter!
Literally lol
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>>182256901
People used GlobalDefense and LFG as world chats. I think at one point there was actually a 'world' chat but it was quickly removed.

I don't really care about not having an official one but the fact that we can't make unique channels is annoying. They're useful for talking with groups of friends, guild class groups and for international servers, specific language channels.
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>>182257351
Thats a good question, mage war? lol. Mostly kidding. Hunter mage might even be decent, this throws everything out of order. Rogues countered several things, now they wont be countering them as much because they wont be as desirable in 2s.

Do totem target macros work on gummy right now? They were seen as extreme cheese and IIRC broken later on, made shammies relatively useless. If shammies both dont have rogues to worry about, and people have to individually target the shammy totems before taking them out - you could expect resto and even ele to be pretty good. The best ele sham at the time was this E=mc guy, and he paired with a frost mage IIRC, got something like 2200 or 2400, maybe even higher. Its been a long time. Anyways, rogues were the only reason shammies had such a hard time in pvp. If rogues get nerfed, shammies do better. Less rogues, more shammy team wins etc.
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>>182257903
>>182257351

Also locks countered mages, so with the sl/sl spec effectively being broken, they wont be doing that as much either. Less rogues, less locks, warriors lack gear. I guess the rise in hunters might counter the rise in mages :D

Ret pallies predictable get the shaft, either way.
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>>182256439
I leveled a mage on the gummy beta to low 50's. I absolutely suck at blizzard aoe. Individual mobs always break nova early, it takes a shitton of mana. The best way to farm as a mage is to forget blizzard entirely, get 2 or 3 permafrost, and later on get the talent that reduces the cooldown on cone of cold. Nova, flamestrike, cone of cold, circle strafe, cone of cold, circle strafe, nova repeat. You can mix in arcane explosion, you down them faster but its less mana efficient.
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>>182257903
Rogues are not going away. The 2.0 itemization affects everyone and the 2.4.3 talents, while bringing rogues down slightly, are not game breaking.

Shamans weren't on the backburner just because of totem stomping but the simple fact that Druids/Paladins/Priests were better in PvP.
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>>182257645

Youre obviously just cancer and hate rogues. I mained a shammy all through tbc, rogues made wsg not even playable and in arena there actually were teams named "Focus The Shaman". Rogues shouldnt be nerfed with endgame nerfs that relied on them already having resil. This is NOT how cheat death performed for almost the entire expansion, and you know it. Youre the cancer. You might as well just say "I dont like Blizzlike, Im fine with rebalancing classes" - thats your argument.
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>>182257903
Stop posting retard, rogues have literally been good in s1 on every 2.4.3 server.
Your retarded theory crafting is painful to read
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>>182257903
>>182258045
>yfw tbc beastcleave happens
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>>182258150
They were bad because they couldnt heal or dps when they were eternally in a stunlock, with their nature tree on 10 second interrupt. 80% of that came from one class, rogues.
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>>182258220
I literally mained rogue on retail and have on multiple private servers.
You're so fucking wrong about everything you post it's painful to read, you are the epitome of shitter rogue carried by bad game balance.
This is what happens when retards think that after 10 years people haven't learned new strategies and tricks.

>rogues were bad in 2.4.3
Literally kill yourself trashcan
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>>182258471
Sure thing, why didnt you show me your warglaives and glad title on a p2w server as proof though? I dont believe you. You dont want Blizzlike, that is your argument, and most people here will tell you that youre a shitter for thinking that way. Myself included.
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>>182258419
Yes.. and that's why I said the other classes were better. They have tools to fight against that. Just because Rogues do a little less DPS doesn't mean their not going to be able to CC as well.
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>>182255824
Yeah cus I want to sit in shatt afk while I search for dungeon groups instead of actually play the game
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>>182258676
You're just uninformed and loud mouthed, a really aids combination.
I would love to be able to run Harp and all sorts of cheesy shit they changed but that's literally impossible.
The sheer volume of changes combined with the lack of information, and documented changes makes it impossible for anyone but blizzard to do. The information is just not available to make all things back to their 2.0 values.

You're just a newfag who has 0 idea what he's talking about, lurk more you retarded nigger.
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>>182258471

>Rogues should be nerfed from where they were in S1,2 and 3. They were too strong in tbc. Its only fair to all the other players that things like rogues, and sl/sl locks get nerfed from the start, so they are never considered overpowered. Thats better than reliving the actual experience, we should also put in wotlk talents, those homogenized classes further and we want everyone to be absolutely equal. No one plays vanilla and tbc for the "rock paper scissors" pvp format that was erased in all other expansions, I sure dont.

t. you
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>>182259042
Nice non-argument, let me know when your ass hurt subsides so you can respond to something you didn't strawman to make yourself feel better.
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21 can't come any faster
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>>182259042
Haha omg gummy is so dumb xD why doesn't he just make it a 1:1 replica of retail!
It's so EASY, gummy is just too dumb to see that!
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>>182258985

The term newfag is for anyone who showed up after 2007. The term cancer applies to anyone who showed up after 2009.

Reddit came in several waves, like 2014-2015 mostly. Reddit is worse than cancer.

Which one are you? Because I am neither. I have forgotten more than you will ever know, and its clear youre a terribad who hates blizzlike and should really be playing on a fun server instead of shitting up gummy. Gummy is not for you. Retail is for people like you. You are what ruined retail.

You are that guy in every forum complaint thread who said its all fine, and argued on behalf of the horseshit that ruined the game and changed it. Youre that guy, the guy we all want to get away from. Retail is for you, it really is. You made it that way, and its yours.
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>>182259238
Silly Americans, having to wait to drink in public. Funny how you can go die for your country, but you can't have a good stout.
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>>182259338
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>>182257903
>mage being the king
Something to keep in mind, right now on gummy Shatter is bugged, well the shatter combo is bugged. Instead of calculating crit chance on spell cast it does it on spell hit. So if your ice lance breaks your nova, the frost bolt will not benefit from shatter. I reported it at least a month ago and from what I have seen it has not yet been fixed.

Test it yourself, nova something, go to range, cast frostbolt so that it casts before the nova ends but hits afterwards. Hopefully this gets fixed in the next week and a half.
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>>182259042
>>182259338
>I can't respond to anything you said so I am strawmanning instead

The fact that you don't understand server development and why every change from 2.0-2.4.3 can't be reverse engineered into a private server just shows you are a newfag who found private servers literally today. From reddit or something?

Man it's so easy to btfo you in every post, this is my last response since I already won this hours ago. Whatever strawman you create has got to be good this time.
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>>182259404
>Youre a newfag!
No u.

>O..oh, well, then, FEDORA! ha ha!
Jesus christ, Reddit.
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>>182256321
>rip through mobs as fast as mage
False
>zero downtime
You have to wait a few seconds between pulls for energy to regen after you hop out of cat form to heal yourself
>better survivability and escape mechanisms
Ice block blink frost nova ice barrier permaslows etc.
>instant tag spell
Feral faerie fire doesn't actually count as a tag as in the mob will Aggro to you but if I fireblast it I will still get the loot and xp. Whenever I play feral Druid in tbc/vanilla it feels like you're playing a bastardized broken spec that barely works your weapons don't increase your dps strength is better than agility at low levels it's clunky and feels bad you're wasting energy on rip for only 2-3 ticks and you kill shit so slow compared to a mage's steady 1 button damage not even really a comparison yeah you run quick and can pick up quest items in stealth but I can just blink through the mobs frost nova pick up the item and blink out and then when I actually have to fight mobs it doesn't feel shitty
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>>182259778
last word
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>>182259626
>right now on gummy Shatter is bugged, well the shatter combo is bugged. Instead of calculating crit chance on spell cast it does it on spell hit

I've seen this so often, gummy confirmed stock mangos?
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>>182259897
you pull with moonfire when levelling.
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>>182259970
He explicitly stated he's taken MANGOS and started manually tweaking all of the scripts for monsters, spells, stats, and events over the years, which is why there were betas being done and why they've quickly responded to most tickets to resolve issues.
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>>182259970

Its not stock mangos, he just coded it like shit and replicated some mangos bugs. Does blink even work appropriately or does it send you on top of buildings like in hellfire? Or through mountains/gradients like all other servers.

Also, I noticed it has extremely limited pvp rules, and that exploiting the terrain and getting on top of things like the buildings in AB isnt against the rules. It should be.
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>>182256534
Guess we're all gonna be camped up in shatt sure love running in circles for hours instead of playing the game because gummy is a cuck
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>>182260153
>>182260153
Fresh baked bread
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>people ITT are having autism attacks because they don't know what faction to play
>not playing both factions
>being this fucking stupid
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>>182260229
Go back to retail if you wana queue for a 5 man
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>>182260127

Im pretty sure he explicitly stated the exact opposite and said the problem was people didnt know what the intent was behind the design of mangos because they didnt create it from the country up, and that for that reason he built the entire thing from the ground up, and redesigned how things are actually created with the parent/child class thing, and redoing how spells are performed to be blizzlike instead of how Mangos did them etc. He did not use Mangos.

In one of the first videos, he has the mangos code BESIDE the one that he made from scratch. He can read what Mangos did, and maybe even snip a part or two out to save time if it works fine and within the context of his own setup - but he is NOT using mangos.
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>>182259897
Mage spams frostbolt until ice lance. There's a couple procs/fireball but thats really it. Keep in mind those few levels before your next frostbolt/water skill will hurt too.

As you run towards the next mob, shift, rejuv (or stop for 2s and regrowth) shift into cat and then attack. If you're grinding single mobs you shouldn't need to heal but every five mobs or so at most.. improved LOTP makes it to where occasional rejuvs do the job.

If a group of opposite faction are near you, as a Druid you can stealth and pick off mobs at your own pace while being able to get away easily. A mage will be in the open and get killed everytime they see you.

Moonfire? I only brought up the instant cast because early on it's going to be a shitfest trying to get tags. Fireblast has a shorter range and a cooldown.

Those 2-3 ticks from rip do more damage than a claw, and costs less energy. FB isn't worth wasting unless the mob is very low on health or is a caster.

All it comes down to is that Druid kills as fast with zero downtime = faster leveling. They can also get groups with ease.
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>>182259897
I've leveled feral and I've leveled mage. Feral is faster, especially on a new server where you're not going to have mount money together. Its not just cat form being quick - which it is - bear form can pull groups of 3-5 mobs by using regrowth and rejuv before the pull.
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>>182260221
blink works really well except in water where it acts retarded. I've managed to blink under the terrain exactly twice, back to back, while in searing gorge. First one I fell a long way and then appeared at the graveyard. Second one I literally jumped from the graveyard down into the cauldron, cast feather fall and then blinked near the bottom - wound up putting me midair near dalaran crater. Otherwise ever single other blink has been a-ok.
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is there anything stopping players from just making a /global chat by themselves?
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>>182260229
>/join world
>be in the same private channel as the entire server that also typed /join world
so hard
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>>182260531
>tfw level 49 mage using level 35 water
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>>182260531
Wasting a ton of time fighting in cat form with low energy and your dps will be terrible to reflect that I actually prefer to grind in bear form if I'm going to be fighting multiple mobs without stopping. Still not as fast as a frost mage tho
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>>182261406
Except that gummy is explicitly banning custom world channels to prevent this
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>it's a have to sit in shatt doing nothing for 1-2h while trying to find a group for something
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