/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>182166250
l - the ring "Xacaa" (left hand) {-Tele rElec MP+9 Int+4 Slay+2}
t - the ring "Guteuq" {rF+ MP+9 Str+4 Int-4 Dex+4}
WHICH IS BETETELE DONT MATTER
IS THE +4 STR AND DEX BETTER THAN A MEASLY +2 SLAYR
IM FORMICID SO -/

>>182166431
Guteuq unless you dont have a source of rElec

>>182166250
IN MEMORY OF MAGGOTS

>>182166431
something happened to my text

>>182166431
depends on how much extra ev the str and dex get you

>snakes are some of the fastest enemies in crawl
>nagas are the slowest race
But why?

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So, I've been playing some dynahack and I have no idea what I'm doing. Is it a good idea to drink from fountains? Because usually these demons come out and assrape me

>>182166876
Do you enjoy getting assraped? If yes, then it is a good idea.

>>182166250
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14723.msg302113#msg302113

Will Coolthulhu save us from Kevin's autism?

>>182166856
Snakes don't have to deal with the whole human torso thing
>>182166876
Don't drink from fountains

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Will one robot exploding set off the rest? Because I'm pretty sure it will knock down the fence that currently has them stumped.

>>182167001
>people arguing game balance on the basis of whether aiming a type of gun in real life requires technique similar to or different from aiming another type of gun in real life
I fucking hate these people.

>>182166876
>is it a good idea to do something that summons a hostile monster that is stronger than me
People say NetHack is spoilery but I think the real problem is that the players are retards.

>>182167556
Well, the problem is that you only get the super bad outcomes a small-ish percent of the time. So, it'd be easy to get lucky RNG and come to the incorrect conclusion that something is much safer than it actually is.

>>182167556
Yes, actually.
>>182168924
I think most of the outcomes from fountains are bad

>>182167495

It very well might. If they survive one neighbor's explosion, I doubt they'll make it through a second.

>>182169621
>I think most of the outcomes from fountains are bad
There's like three obviously bad ones, two of which will likely kill you early on.

Drinking is bad. Dipping things can be useful in several situations.

>>182169621
>I think most of the outcomes from fountains are bad

That's true. There's a couple of good outcomes, but they're dwarfed by the bad ones.
Fountains are basically a newbie trap which teaches you caution -- that just because there's a small chance of getting a wish doesn't mean you should go fucking with something that will probably kill you five dozen times before you get that one wish.

Any Anananias or Powder players here? Which game is more streamlined?

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>>182170206
The explosions seem weak, actually. It took three to bring down part of the fence, and even then some of the robots were still uninjured.

Even coming back with EMP grenades, it's going to take at least three to kill them all.

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>twf new thread and already page 10

>>182172050
Why do you even bother killing them? They cant open doors.

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Is there an 'optimal' order in how to progress in dynahack like how crawl is is dungeon -> lair -> orc -> lair branches -> vaults -> Depths -> 3rd rune -> zot

I've just been aimlessly walking around killing gnomes.

>>182172050
control laptop and let them kill each other

>>182172907
Aight, thanks man.

>>182172549
what is dynahack? I think it will be hard to get help here if this game is not very popular

>>182174636
A nethack variant, I've seen it posted a few times here, but those have been few and far between.

>>182169621
https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Fountain

In Crawl, people routinely go to great lengths to get an extra pip of MR in order to avoid a 2% chance of getting paralyzed. Here, we're looking at a 6.7% chance of water demon or moccasin.

>>182174857
gl then, I would love to see some variety here instead of /dcssg/

Do you admit starting DCSS today or are more modern designed games better in this age?

>>182171176
Both games are awesome in my opinion. If I had to chose, I would go for Anananias. Not necessarily more streamlined, I just like the stupidness sometimes

>>182175847
The controls in crawl seem alot more intuitive, but then again I've put a ton more hours into it and there aren't as many interactions in dcss as in dynahack.

Also, the movement controls seem to be bugged for me, 7 and 1 don't work so I have to resort the yuhjklbn control scheme, which is going to take some time getting to used to.

>>182172549
>>182176686
I had only played vanilla NetHack, but if the variant is similiar you should keep descending till you find minetown and then check out the shops there. Keep an eye out for a magic lamp and ice boxes with intrinsic granting corpses.

>>182172549
Depends on your character. As a Valk the mines shouldn't be too hard, but watch out for Mindflayers and the Mine's End.
>>182174636
Nigga

If I want NPCs in cataclysm, should I go with static or dynamic NPC's? What's the difference?

>>182172549
Sokoban isn't as necessary since the prize was moved to mine's end.

I'm playing cataclysm dda and have found a big barrel full of single malt whiskey, Is there anything I can use alcohol like this for or can I dump this stuff and use the barrel with my funnels? I'm not particularly in need of water at the moment.

>>182181932

Static ones are generated as part of map features, like bandits or the dude in the shelter with you at the start.
Dynamic will have them pop up from time to time randomly, just anywhere. It makes things more exciting, but if you don't want some random dude rolling up into your base and shooting you for your stuff, you can turn them off.

I had that happen to a martial artist character. Dude came down into my basement and just casually starts rifling through my stuff, and when I go over and try to stop him he pulls a shotgun and BLAM! It's game over.
So naturally I had the next character be the martial artist's last student, who came to avenge his master's death. I put on the heaviest armor I could find lying around on the way there and when I arrived I dodged his shots at max range, then rushed in while he was reloading and stunlocked the dude, killed him in three hits.
It was sweet.

>>182182647

It's highly flammable, and it can get you fucked up real good. I'd keep it, barrels and stuff aren't that hard to make.

>>182181932
Static is special, always generated npcs (most obvious is the one who starts next to you, but also includes the quest guys in the refugee center). Dynamic is random spawns that appear anywhere.

If you want NPCs running around, turn dynamic on. I don't really know why anyone would turn static off unless you think the starter npc makes things too easy or something.

>>182182647
You can drink it for morale or turn it into molotovs or medical supplies via denatured alcohol. If you'd like both the barrel and the whiskey, try finding vehicles with undamaged fuel tanks, siphoning out the little bit of fuel and dumping your whiskey in.

>>182183630
>I don't really know why anyone would turn static off

Well, NPCs used to be buggy, and are still prone to some hilarious behaviors that some people would rather do without.
(But having them to help build stuff is great, and totally worth dealing with NPCs IMO.)

>>182182647
Get fucking wasted bro, you don't find something like that every day

>>182172093
do NOT be italian

>>182186215
kek

Holy fuck why is IA so assrapingly hard?

>>182186215

Add in "don't be a maggot faggot" while you're at it.

Why does bcarden just talk to himself and often repeat the same things over and over? is he a bot?

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>>182189285
>cant even get past the third level

>>182190513
who?

>the +2 robe "Sepravem" (worn) {rElec rPois rF+ rC+}

does anyone else get anxiety when they find really good items really early
im gonna die to an ogre or something stupid i just know it

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Should I just be wearing these fire dragon scales over plate? it offers near the same with less encumbrance

>>182190513
I suspect he is literally autistic.

>>182190592
Some annoying idea guy on ##crawl-dev

>>182191218
On a Gargoyle, you have a lot of options. Because of Gr's innate AC growth, they can get away with wearing flimsy armor even if it doesn't have much AC. So, FDS will probably always be better than the plate armour (as long as you're OK with rC-, which will probably be fine).

You may want to consider putting points into Dex and raising Dodging, too, to get the most bang for you buck.

>>182191481
if you're wearing heavy armour str will likely always be better than dex for the purposes of EV even at very high str/low dex

>>182191481
I assume if I just stack AC and MR, I should be okay right? Like gargoyles are resistant to ice and stuff already, and they are resistant to torment (and I'm under the shining one so even more so). What should I be scared of right now?

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>>182191768
This is an interesting choice, should I buy that and basically become immune to fire?

>>182190882
how is that a really good item
by the time those resistances actually matter you will want something with more ac than a robe unless you are an ogre yourself

>>182191425
Suspect? He has a youtube channel of him whisper-talking to his cat. He also has a shaved head.

Which is better, a +5 arbalest of freezing or a +3 arbalest of velocity?
I forgot about which modifiers are superior

>playing DCSS
>Pretty decent run
>Suddenly Abyss
>Use several blink scrolls, only have 2 teleport scrolls
>Never find an exit
>Die because mob density and power + inability to rest (managed to get 1 full rest off somehow ) > you

Why hasn't this stupid shit been changed yet? Sure love RNG on whether even a good run will randomly become unwinnable because RNG decided you can't find any exist from the abyss.

>>182194265
You can kill things in the Abyss to generate exits. The lower your level, the easier it is to generate exits.

>>182194096
freezing one is better in general.

>>182194096
IIRC, freezing/flaming is 50% max damage increase (10 damage would do 15 damage total if you get the highest roll and the monster isn't at all resistant to freezing/flaming). Velocity/vorpal is 33% max damage increase but doesn't need to check resistances; in fact, because of the formula used, you're always guaranteed to do 1 damage with a vorpal weapon if you land a hit (that is, you'll never get a "You hit but do no damage" message).

Nonetheless, freezing is probably better. And in your case, the enchantment makes a difference, too.

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>>182192310
So I found a demon whip of electricution. I heard that you can bless it and make it an amazing weapon. I just need to get back to max (I used a lot of summoning/cleansing flame here in some clutch moments)

>>182196170
Sacred scourge is what you make after blessing a demon whip and it's only good in extended.

If you want to bless it, do it when you're going into pan/hell/tomb/crypt

>>182196170
Sacred scourge is only good against demons. It's not amazing as a regular weapon (although the damage and hit delay are nice). Demon whip of electrocution will be better 90% of the time for a 3rune game.

>>182196170
blessing it will overwrite its brand with holy wrath, which is less versatile and less relevant until you start doing hell/pan

>>182196696
>>182196357
>>182196337
What should I be focusing then? All I have is this morning star of holy wrath right now. i can't use the demon whip with the shining one

>>182196795
ctrl-f for 'eveningstar' or 'morningstar' and look for one with a better brand. Any vorpal/freezing/flaming/elec weapon will do. Holy wrath isn't too useful in 3 runes.

Elf:2 has the hall of blades which could potentially give you a good weapon, but if you want to play it safe I wouldn't do it until after V:4 or depths.

>>182196795
Oh yeah, I forgot you were using TSO.

Have you not found any other branded Maces&Flails weapons?

>>182196795
Just bless the demon whip, it's at least better than what you're using now.

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>>182197376
>>182197134
>>182197098
n v m

>>182194265
Avoid the abyss. Abyss is meant to be a place of total chaos.

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why tho

>>182200025
>on right swirl
Nice job finding the scummiest ring in the game.

>>182200236
Died immediately after polymorphing into a worm, what would that ring turn out to be?

>>182196010
freezing/flaming add a random amount between 0% and 50% of the total damage (AFTER bonuses from str, slaying, etc), as resistable cold/fire damage

vorpal adds a random amount between 0% and 33% as unresistable damage

>>182201313
...a ring of polymorph?

unless you're playing some kind of meme race in slex that has polymorphitis intrinsically

>>182201746
oh shit that's why it was happening? I thought it was because I drank from a fountain.

>>182200025
>>182202131
Rings in NetHack are srs bsness don't put them on, even uncursed

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Can I brand my holy scourge without it turning back into a whip or something? It'd be cool if I could get something more effective over all on it

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NEW CRAWL ALL-TIME HIGHSCORE BY CHARLY

I think 17k, 15-runes is literally unbeatable now considering the previous world record is purplered's 19k run.

>>182203710
i think a scroll of brand weapon will work, but you run the risk of getting something bad like distortion or pain/vamp

>>182204520
I tried and apparently you cant brand it, rip.

>>182203914
that is fucking gnarly
holy shit

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>>182203710
I think I'm ready to go get the orb! This is exciting!

>>182207830
activate your windows or else you die

>>182208094
it was activated for a year and suddenly it stopped, i genuinely dont know what happened

>>182191218
Gargoyles do extremely well in light and medium armor. Wear something like acid DS or a ring mail. Going for a plate on a gargoyle is quite often an overkill since they get so much free AC and GDR, unless you're going for extended. Otherwise get something lighter which would allow you to get EV to a respectable level.

>>182208379
Please stop posting this disinfo, putting gargs in heavy armour is fine and good if you aren't casting spells.

>>182208379
That's only if he's casting spells, if he has 0 spells the lighter armour will do nothing for him.

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WOOHOO!! RUKS!!

>>182203914
>0.17
>Evoke Teleportation: 263
If anyone wonders how can you do it without some ungodly luck for layouts and stairs.

>>182194265

Abyss is stupid bec. ur stupid LOL

>>182203914
>0.17
Wow it's fucking nothing

>>182203914

>0.17

new tee-ball world champ