Ace Combat General #319 - /aceg/

OH GOD WHERE'S THE THREAD I CAN'T SEE IT

i cant see the thread
what the fuck

Tom, where is the bloody thread?

>doing the acx mission where you blow up satellite dishes on an island
>f-4 can't point its nose quick enough to destroy the relay inside the cave and then get out alive

>blank image

what?

What are the little things sticking out by the nose for? Stabilizers of some sort?

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Not sure why it's like this, here's the image I meant to post.

>>181954553
what do you mean things stick out on the nose?
on the nose of what, space? theres nothing there

Posting this again.

Sneak peak at the alternate viewpoint AC4 fanfic I'm working on.

It's shit, don't worry.

https://pastebin.com/NchyX6tk

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>>181954836
is it just me or is nagases handing writing horrid?

>>181954936
Post your handwriting then, feggit

>>181954680
>le stealth maymay
If you don't want to be helpful, please fuck off.

>>181954936
didnt mean to link post, sorry
>>181954995
no
>>181955045
i suppose they may have something to do with aerodynamics, maybe, im not a plane expert

>>181954936

Cuz she's got man hands

>>181954132
>>181954261
I get that it's not that important, but I'm sorry, I can't just ignore it. The disconnect is just too great!

It's especially odd because presumably they'd get partnered with the same RIOs for every mission. So in theory our squadron should be +10 people (depending on whether RIOs defect too, or if new RIOs join Razgriz squadron) in the story rather than 5. Naturally, that would be too much, but it's one of those things that really bothered me ever since I considered the canonicity of the F-14D in AC5.

>>181955253
its one of those ace combat diversions from reality
id try not to think about it too much or it'll get wound up in your head

>>181954553
I heard they're there for the measurement and collection of various data.

>>181955349
I'm already too far gone. Only headcanon can save me.

>>181955253

The second person in each plane was a teenage japanese schoolgirl who were too meek and cute to speak or be seen.

>>181955253
Story and gameplay over technical details. RIOs do not contribute to the former two in any way unless the story and gameplay can accommodate them.

>>181955501
try to think about if the demon lord really exists then or is he just a 8 man squadron or more of elite aces assigned to the Allied Force's Galm Team with Pixy as their lead rather than the overtly famed two man mercenary dream team who just happened to be some of the greatest aces of all time

>>181955253
Or perhaps, although the 2-seaters models do have the RIO modeled in, they simply flew without them.

>>181954586
>picture is a blank png
we have obtained true stealth

>>181956007
>stealthing so hard the immediate area doesnt exist as long as youre present in it
jesus this is next level

>>181955579
What happened to Nagase's RIO when the squadron had to go search for her?

Fuck, the rabbit hole goes too deep!

>>181955798
Oh yeah, it's a valid idea that these various heroes of Strangereal are just enigmas and legends, and rather than being singular heroes, they consisted of many people working together and Mobius 1, Blaze and Cipher etc. are just romanticised ideas representing a force that won the war.
That's cool too in its own right for sure. I do like the singular hero angle slightly better though, and that's how it's presented to us anyway.

>>181955865
Well... it would be cool, and it'd make it easier on my mind, but I doubt that any military would ever let their pilots do that,

Hey you.
You now lead an elite fighter squadron filled with aces in the Air Force of your choice.
You get total reign over name, planes, tactics, livery, formation, everything.
What is it?

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What is the bulging dome just in front of the Flanker's cockpit, sometimes a bit offset? Is it present on all models?

I have to say I am really proud of how /aceg/ handled the transition to this thread. Well Done buddies.

>>181957426
That's the IRST.

>>181957426
IRST

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>>181957112
Malebolge squad, F/22s, black and green square camo livery, circle formation, and grouping tactic

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>>181957602
>>181957606
Outta my way, 4th gen fucking shits

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>>181957602
>>181957606
>IRST
New things learnt every day. Other than the F-14 and F-35, the only american fighters with it were specialized variants or late block versions.

Also, does anyone have a better comparison between the T-10 and the Su-27?

>>181957883
a true ace doesnt need a newer generation of aircraft
he only needs the aircraft he entrusts his life to and knows he is most capable in

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>>181957995
Here's a side profile. T10 is at the top.

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>>181958203
And here's the T-10 by itself.

>>181957995
Early production F-4s had IRST.

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I've always found this picture of the Blackbird spooky and unsettling. It looks so sinister, and as if it's about to fly right into me. ;_;

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>>181959159
>there will never be an AC game with a playable SR-71
>only way to play it is in a gimmick mission in AC3

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>>181959159
Such a cool plane.

I like Clown already, just hope he won't pull a pixy.

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>>181959653
>not wanting another pixy

this world is too big for one buddy

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>>181959159
*outruns your SAMs*

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>>181959702
I mean, pixy did shoot at me
very rude

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>>181959730
*turns at high speed*

>>181959653
Chance are he gets you into the trouble that ends up having you lead a flight of convicts, what with his penchant for wet, wild and dirty, dirty things

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>all these super high quality cutaways on google but in foreign languages

F U C K

Anyway, here's another SR-71

>>181958373
Could you post a 3-view for the Su-27? I need to check whether some details I noticed are actual differences, mainly in regards to the engine naceles' angle and overall shape. They seem more rounded and slanted.

>>181958448
Makes sense I missed that given how shallow I went when looking for info. Thanks for the heads-up.

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>>181961117
Sure thing, buddy!

>>181954553
They're anemometer probes.

>>181961348
Thanks a lot. The differences I see are:
>straight edged stabilizers (both sets, unlike the Su-37 which only has that for the vertical ones)
>different wing root-LREX transition
>F-14-like airbrake in place of the "stinger" and no dorsal one
>rounded wingtips (duh), but the spikes are still there (spoilers? I need the technical term)
>"spoilers" (see above for terminology issues) on the horizonal stabilizers
>radome has a more complex panneling pattern (isn't that detrimental to radar functions?)
>no gun ports or underwing hardpoints, obviously
>vertical stabilizers much closer together
>no "fins" bellow the vertical stabilizers
Did I miss anything?
Also, I need a refresher on what the stinger is.

>>181962352
Pretty sure the stinger is rear-facing radar. Or a parachute thing. Maybe both?

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Patches finally came in. Feels good.

>tfw I know the AC5 name reference of the Razgriz Patch Guy

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>>181962851
It's both on the Su-47, iirc. Not sure about the flankers, which is why I ask. Double stinger for the win.

>>181962851
>>181962983
Yeah, rear-facing radar.

On the Su-47, the shorter one is the radar and the longer one is the drag chute.

>>181963151
I gush far too much when listing all the small differences in Flanker models.
Was there anything you didn't notice amongst what I listed? Just asking out of curiosity.

>>181963617
<< I like you, man! >>

Also aside from the differences in the engine nozzles, looks like you got everything. Also it's rather trivial, but it's worth noting that the T-10 has a two piece canopy, whereas the Su-27 and onward have a three piece.

>>181964056
Also I can't tell for certain, but it looks like the T-10 lacks the pop-up airbrake.

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>>181964056
Oh, you're right. I guess I just checked the silhouette of the canopy and called it a day. The engines look truncated to me. Are there aircraft with engine nozzles like that?
>>181964489
That's what I meant by dorsal airbrake. I don't actually know the technical term.

I'll confess that other than other gushing over my planefu, my objective atm is to draw (spoiled in case it's heresy) a "mecha musume" along the lines of pic related with a lot of notes of how the Flanker translates in to the design. Would it be alright if I posted the end result of this (unholy?) endeavor) on this thread? Is the V2 for cases like me?

>>181964858
No, I like mecha musume too.

>>181964858
>you already mentioned the airbrake way back at the beginning

Wow, I'm fuccin blind

>>181964979
I did post a greentext list. It's easy to gloss over parts of it on a blue background.

>>181964858
Some of us even play KanColle,also Flight Highchool is always appreciated here.
As long as it doesn't get into weird porn I believe most of ushave at the very least nothing against that.

>>181965154
I wouldn't go much further than the example I posted when it comes to "sexiness". The flanker is sexy even in plane form anyways.

>>181965104
Not your fault m8, I shoulda read it. In any case, you got everything,
To be perfectly honest, as sexy as the Flanker is, the T-10 is fucking ugly.

>>181965154
Hey, I'd like weird porn.
Gimme some delicious C-17 vore.

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>>181965301
I'd say the points that make it less attractive for me are:
>rounded wingtips
>radome panneling pattern
>vertical stabilizers much closer together
Can you pinpoint the deal breaker for you?
I still find it very nice though.

>>181965321
Have Flankers mating.

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Training Flankers have a mount for a hood. I'm told it's used to force the trainee to pay attention to the instruments.
Has anyone got more info on that?

AC4 is such a borefest.
How do you go from AC3 to this shit?
I can hardly believe it. It even play WORSE, the missions are worse, and let's not even talk about the music and plot, that would be plain mean.
I'm forcing myself to finish it.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/185031/austria-looks-for-new-fighter-as-eurofighter-retirement-looms.html
Eurofighter BTFO

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>>181967616
shit taste.

>>181967640
More like European air defence BTFO

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>>181967748
Oh yeah, and the voice and dialogue is just shit. Not as hilariously bad as X's though, but fucking boring

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>>181968017

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It seems I'm missing a top view of the Su-34 and a three view of the Su-37. Does anyone have one of those handy?

>>181967616
I do think AC4 is the weakest part of the holy trilogy, at least for me.

The controls feels insanely slow and too many missions are "kill stuff until the time limit" Also I felt Stonehenge was cool and felt threatening enough, but the mission where you took it down is laughably easy.

On the other hand, I'm sure as hell not saying it's a bad game. The music is as always top tier, the plot's not my favourite but I'll recognise its qualities, and Megalith is top hype music.

>>181965154
Large event

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>>181968885

>>181969281
I don't play KanColle. What's the meaning of the spoilered bit?

>>181969485
It basically means that starting from early august we will have trouble walking straight after the sneaky chink had his way with us.

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New comfy plane coming through

>>181969485
It means 7 maps of Dorf fort-brand FUN

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>>181968713
Yeah, of course it's not a plain shit game, but after playing AC5, X, and especially 0 like a madman, it sure is shit for AC standards. Even X feel way better to play on the Vita! A console without 4 triggers!

I also can't get into 4's music at all, same for the "plot"

I'm at the mountain mission where you need to evade Stonehenge shots and it's pretty damn cool at least. This an Corona made the game worth to play still. But the other missions were dreadfully bad.

>>181970078
Why aren't these real?

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I finally found what the difference between the Su-27 and Su-35 was (thrust vectoring doesn't help as not all Su-35 have it:
The 27's IRST is centered while the 35's is off-center.
I can't believe it took me this long.

Also, is the Su-34 the only model lacking an IRST?

>>181970078
Comfy as fuck. I want a hoodie like that.

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>>181968713
>4 worse than 5

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>>181970078
spoilered for nude animu girl

>>181968713
>>181970553
AC5 is the weakest part of the trilogy easily.

>>181970889
>posts a simple gray background with the label "F-117"
Way too meta, buddy.

>>181970889
>Posting ghosts
>>>/x/

>>181970986
lol

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>>181970986
This
>retarded unlocking system
>one of the requirements for getting a FALKEN is locked behind a shitty mission
>TOO MANY GIMMICK MISSIONS
>muh war is bad plot
>SOLG is underwhelming compared to Megalith and Morgan
>squad barely do anything no matter what command you give
>Fucking nagase and chopper

>>181971316
>squad barely do anything no matter what command you give
this is the real killer

The game is working off the assumption that you care about the rest of the squadron, but they can't fly and bitch too much.

no wingmen (4), or a competent wingman (0) are the only good options

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>>181970889

>>181971316
>and chopper
Was on board with you until then.

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>>181972454
><<HEY KID! LET ME TALK TO YOU FOR 24/7 UNTIL I FUCKING CRASH IN A STADIUM LIKE A FUCKING FAGGOT>>
><<ALSO, HAVE YOU HEARD HUEY LEWIS AND THE NEWS?>>

>>181970691
I wonder how this actor feels about being as iconic as he is. Well, not that he's likely to know. It'd be interesting if he did though!
Such a memorable face and performance!

>>181971316
I think the missions in AC5 are great. Lots of variety. The "muh peace" writing is too much though and the bosses are pretty shit. I only really like the Arkbird battle. The submarines were kinda bad. Maybe the Hrimfaxi was good, did it have the drones in AC5 or was that an ACI thing? I don't remember.
The SOLG is an extremely boring fight. Cool, but there's nothing to do but fly slowly next to the long tube. If you're feeling suicidal, you can try to fly through the tunnel but the hit detection is ridiculous. Or maybe I'm just bad.

The Aces tunnel was GREAT though.

>>181972686
Yeah, that's a legitimate complaint, but at least he cracked a few jokes. He was the only wingman that made me crack a smile.
><<And I'm Chopper!>>
><<That's uh..a good name, too.>>
><<I like you man!>>
When he went down, I was stuck with a bunch of fucking downers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3oSctZbcU
reminds me a bit of Burnout 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAN3Gl4PbzQ

>>181974287
I couldn't put my finger on which racing game track it reminded me of when I first heard it, was looking through the grand turismo and need for speed OSTs.

burnout 3 was gud shit

>>181960393
If you provide the pictures in foreignese, I might try and translate them especially if they're German, I have some experience in translating that even though it's super annoying to always type ü ö and ä with an alt-numberpad combo
The only thing I can't translate are foreign alphabets, such as Russian or Asian languages.

>>181975264
I should be able to do Russian. Can't guarantee anything but can definitely try.

People who want in on the /aceg/RPG sunday sessions: https://pastebin.com/xHXPex1Z

I'll be around for the next few hours and available to talk and answer questions.

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>9

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<< Pull up! >>

>>181978897
What next, square planes?

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<< Don't die, dammit! >>

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what should today's MTG plane be?

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>>181980085
This. Working on something to post and get some feedback before I go to bed, don't die, dammit!

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Has the golden king smiled upon you today, /aceg/?

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>>181967640
lol k

>>181981796
what an ugly plane

>>181981796
Haha, look at all that crap that won't even bring it close to the F-35's capability.

>>181982001
Stop projecting
>>181982002
>F-35
>capabilities
hahahahahahahahaha

>>181982094
lmao stay butthurt Eurodrone, the JSF is gonna wreck your shitty little potato chip plane in performance and sales.

>>181982094
>projecting
>onto an airplane
how did you know my intakes are all boxy and gross

>>181981796
>Conformal fuel tanks

Holy shit that looks terrible. It's like the Boeing Super Phantom concept got its intakes and CFT mixed up.

At least we can rest easy knowing this abomination will never see the light of day. I don't want to bully typhoonfags anymore, but man there's so much stuff that would be so easy to pick apart.

>>181981572
Do this one >>181981585

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>>181981796
>those conformal tanks

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>>181981796
>he doesn't have an enhanced DASS

>>181981585
funny thing is, that plane took a wrecking ball and didn't break

>>181981572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkw7du_2HjE

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Here's what I've done so far of the Flanker girl (just the head design, it's getting late) with notes.
Tomorrow I'll detail what details change for different Flanker variants (T-10, Su-27UB, Su-30, Su-33, Su-34, Su-35, Su-37 and Su-37U) and maybe I'll tackle the design for the body. I doubt I'll get to colouring it tomorrow, though.
Does anyone have the "sleep tight Phoenix" pic?

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>>181983708
Here you go buddy. Sleep well.

>>181983452
>he gets triggered by porn
lul

>>181983823
Thanks, I'll go to sleep soon.

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>>181983897
Here's much bigger version of it but it's still daytime.

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Here, I made a night version of the huge pic.

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>> PULL UP <<

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This is some crisp art

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Who wants the Erusean princess' exhaust port?

>>181983828
What about you, anon?
Do you get triggered by puchiporn?

>>181993752
The only thing I want to do is protect her from the Oseans indiscriminately attacking civilians.

>>181999734
I want to indiscriminately kill Erusean pigs for their crimes against Osea

>>181990380
<< What a joke >>

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>>181981585
>>181982730
done.

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>>182002557
lel

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>>182007939

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>>182002557
When the airframe was to be retired, they tried using a wrecking ball to scrap the thing but it bounced right off. They had to take it apart piece by piece.

>>182013404
>>181983159
>B R U H
jk

>>181983159
>>182014025
Oh I didn't see that was posted already. Sorry.

>>181993752
I'd take her for a ride in my F-15C around Erusea and then cuddle on the tarmac watching the sunset and sorties taking off

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>>182015262
i really want a pilot suit and helmet but fuck i can't find anything cheap online

>>182016701
>STOLEN VALOR!

>>182016701
military surplus will occasionally have older pilot's suits, but I don't know if you have anything like that locally

>>182016773
the hardest part is getting a helmet with a mask. they cost like 150-200 dollaroos

Fucking Euros not dedicated enough to to virtual planes
This is why Project Aces wonders about their foreign fan base you fucks
BE ACTIVE

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>>182020171
they might be using stealth camouflage

>>182020751
>Bee ornament
>Hornet
Hahaa I get it finally
If so I would be surprised, considering that Eurofighters are garbage in today's gen of aircraft
That reminds me did we ever see a fulcrum or Eurofighters in AC? Never flew em if they existed, and I only have a vague memory since I played them a while ago

Also can Project Aces make an $80 like Infinity but have good graphics and none of the fuel BS and good mm so we can dogfight like true vidya aces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJjPU_oX04

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>>182021781
>This... is stealth warfare.

>>182021161
Yes Buddy, two of the most common jet fighters in the world have been featured in Ace Combat, in nearly every game.

>>182021781
>tfw you'll never be a Nighthawk pilot
Why even live?

>>182023097
Steal one

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>>182023150
>stealing something that doesn't exist

>>182023150
Good point, they won't be able to find it once I have it.

>>182023174
:(
>>182023194
:)

>>182021781
>the pilots comparing the nighthawk to beautiful women
cute

>>182023174
That looks like an Animorphs book cover: Animorphs - The Stealthdimension

Am I allowed to change my planefu or is that illegal?

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Can anybody tell me what the tail-thing is on most Soechoj planes?

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>>182027157
It's a rear-facing radar. In some models it's a drag-chute.

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>>182027157
>>182027348
The Su-34's and the Su-35S' are an EW systems, such as an attack radar. Not sure if that's what is depicted in this picture, there seem to be multiple different avionic loadouts for the Su-34.

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>>182027157
Additional correction: the drag chute is stored behind the radar or EW suite.

>>182027095
If you can deal with breaking up with your last one

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>>182025502
that's why I saved it

>>182027157
>>182027665
>>182027495
Thank you buddies

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>>181972686
>><<ALSO, HAVE YOU HEARD HUEY LEWIS AND THE NEWS?>>

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It's pretty dead around these hours.

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>>182030470
It sure is...

Also I never realized that I needed this before seeing it.

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Could we make a propeller driven aircraft a stealth(y) aircraft? Especially if it uses a piston engine it would already have a big advantage when it comes to IR-signature after all.

>>182031363
Propellers are the stealth-killer.

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I just realized the Air Combat "Su-27" is actually a Su-33 or a Su-27M, what AC2 through AC5 called the Su-35 due to being the prototype to both the 35 and 37.
Canards, single seat and angled V-Stabilizer Edges give it away.

CUM HISTO-
RIIIIIA

MUTAT VAL-
DE RAZGRIIIIIZ
REEEEEVELAT
IIIIIPSUM

PRIMUM DAEMON SCELESTUS EEEEEST

Damn, these look like shit!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-XX_Program

>>182032536
>concepts
They always look weird. The basic form is nice though, it'll look much better once they get closer to a practical design

post favourite non-game play tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4BSFcyk41M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiezdBJhdNk

>catch up on thread
>influx of /v/ players who don't understand that you actually have to think while flying and maneuvering in ac4
>they don't like the plot because the player isn't front and center
>they don't like the absolutely based music either

Truly, we need /v/2.

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>>182032536
What do you think of the X-44 MANTA?

>>182035692
Why'd they take an F-22 and cut the end off?

>>182035692
That one's in AC5! It's cool!

>>182035835
i believe youre thinking about the FB-22, the X-44 isnt it 5

>>182035934
Well it does look a bit different, yeah. This one's wingspan is a bit wider.
But they are pretty similar! It's cool but it does look a bit weird too.

>>182035758
Less drag and a smaller Radar Cross Section, especially from the side

>>182035667
>have to think while flying and maneuvering in ac4
Sure is worth it considering how predictable the AI is. It's worse than AC2

>>182036691
The aces in AC04 are harder than in AC5 though maybe not as hard as the ones in AC0

>>182031363
Maybe if it was in a pusher configuration, but even much smaller compressor fan blades on jet engines contribute a lot of the frontal RCS.

On a side note, back in the 70-80s the USAF developed a way to type identify unknown aircraft based on how the radar reflected off the engines from the front or rear.

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>tfw no comfy qt 3.14 planefu to cuddle with

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>>182028797
><<I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Megalith - Agnus.Dei". A song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of shooting down bandits and the importance of destroying Megalith. It's also a personal statement about Mobius One himself.>>
><<Hey, Thirteen!>>

>>182039423
><< I have to shoot down some SU-37's. >>

How do people feel about the Rafale's active stealth system?

>>182039570
It's a clever idea, but I can't see it being useful against modern AESA radars.

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ACX' voice acting sure is incredible, eh?

>>182043015
DIS IS DE NAYAHD

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>>182043015
To AlL aLlIeD fOrCeS tHiS iS tHe NaIaD

>>182043015
>>182043097
>>182043232
TAKE CARE O' DOSE BIRDS INNA SKAH

>>182043097
>>182043232
>>182043343
How many additional generations of inbreeding before Nayadese is completely uninteligible from Aurelian English?

>>182043710
I would rather have Naiad as my wingman than Nagase.

>>182043754
Yeah, not being able to understand the MUH PEACE rambling when not looking at the subtitles would help.

>>182043826
<< THIS IS THA NAIAD, WHAH ARE WEH FAITAN DIS WAR? >>

>>182043754
imagine a world where we had to deal with both Nagase and Naiad as our wingmen

See 8:52 for probably the hammiest line in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_2gs12iPX0&t

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Post COFFIN-equipped aircraft.
Also, how do an AESA radar's advantages translate in actual combat? In fact, have AESA-equipped aircraft shot down other fighters in the last few?

>>182043880
<< DIS TWISTED GAME NEEDS TA BE RESET. >>

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>>182044201
i keked
have a semi-coffin aircraft

>>182043880
<< DIZAS THA NAIAD... >>
>this copula indicates the start of a series of statements
>"tha" is a first-person plural pronoun, indicating the person speaks for a group
>"Naiad" is a proper noun of mysterious origin

>>182044124
A world of flying submarines. Around 3:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOlwAWxMhpA

>>182044491
When they launched the Mecha, I was really hoping for the Armored Core For Answer Intro Music

>>182045608
That was that music, though. At least the intro cutscene one.

>>182044201
An AESA radar has numerous advantages in combat situations. Putting aside the radar's ability to be used as a Jammer, RWR, or terrain following navigation radar (historically all these have been seperate devices), and an AESA has two main combat advantages.

AESA radars are LPI, low probability of intercept. Aircraft have radar warning receivers (RWR/RHAW) that let the pilot know when they detect radio waves. They are typically mounted on various parts of the aircraft like the wingtip and tail surfaces. Modern RWR can use this information to determine radar type, range, position, etc. Basically, if you use you non LPI radar to target someone, they can know where and who you are before your radar signals bounce back to you. This makes using non LPI radar a double edged sword.

With an AESA LPI radar, it uses lots of very thin beams that are frequency agile. This means that there is a lower chance of your radar energy actually hitting the enemy RWR, and if they do hit it, the contact is often brief enough that it doesn't cross the threshold to register as a contact. If it does register with the RWR, it's only as a brief, intermittent contact that provides little to no useful information for your target.

Basically, if you have an AESA LPI radar, you can lock on to a target, fire a missile, and kill it before they even realize they're under attack.

The most recent air to air kill was from a super hornet with an AESA radar.

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>>182043097
>>182043232
>>182043343
God damn I love Naiadposting

name the one location and plane you wanna see return in AC7
B7R
XFA-27

>>182048162
Hoffnung
ADFX Morgan.

i really want to see what happened to hoffnung after all these years

>>182048162
I'm just glad there's gonna be Stonehenge again.
As for the plane I was wishing for the F-14, but it was confirmed, so I'll go with the X-02.
Because they wouldn't leave out THE Erusean plane. R-r-right guys?

Also the F-117 just for the extreme memes in MP with the buddies

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Has anyone got figures for the internal fuel capacity of the Su-33?
I've got unsourced claims of 9500 and 8400 kilograms, one arguing larger wingspan and the other unusable space due to the folding wing.

Post music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWprmoLzYjg

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Why are the most beautiful planes always killed?

>>182048162
San Salvacion
Wyvern

>>182048162
These >>182050973

>>182050879
Why make a futuristic plane with meme-wings?

>>182053109
>meme-wings
Well, it should've been the carrier-based version of the F-22, hence the wings.
And don't talk shit about it, it's cute! CUTE!

>>182053339
it looks like an even more autistic version of the Wyvern
there is nothing cute about it

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>>182053339
FB-22 is sexier.

>>182053469
It looks cool and so does the Wyvern you FAGGOT!

>>182054108
wyvern looks like the product of an F-22 and a YF-23 being smashed together until they fit with twigs jammed in the front sides and wings that look theyll snap off any second thats named after a gay dragon
thers nothing cool about it

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>>182054361
Say that to me via radio while we dogfight and not over the Internet and see what happens.

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>>182054361
bad opinion

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>>182050272
Same, I'm finding sources that claim either 9400kg or 8500kg.
Also Su-33 eternally a cute.

>>182054361
What's it like having such extraordinarily shit taste?

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>>182054791
good enough to end a rebellion and actually be completed in time

>>182053339
But it need to have memewings just because it's carrier based. In fact, I'm pretty sure that there's been more land-based memewing aircraft than carrier based

That being said, I wish the F-22N had taken off. I'd kill to see a more diverse carrier contingent

>>182055146
Doesn't need*

>>182050272
>>182054791
Sukhoi's website claims a max range of 3,000km for the Su-33, and 3,500km for an armed Su-27SK with 700kg of weapons. While the Su-33 is fatter and presumably draggier, this much loss in range would argue for a smaller fuel capacity.

>>182056531
So 8400 is the most reasonable figure?

>>182056632
Probably. Given that the Su-33 can't even take off with 8,400kg of fuel, and is capable of in flight refueling, it would be plausible that the designers would be willing to accept a reduced internal fuel capacity.

>>182057096
The empty weight is of 18400 kg and the Max takeoff weight is 33000 kg, for 9500 kg of fuel the aircraft could still take off at 27900 kg. That figure is still lower than the loaded weight, 29940 kg.

>>182057501
How much have you looked into those numbers? 33,000kg is max takeoff weight from a runway. Best carrier takeoff weight is 31,000kg. That assumes a 25knot headwind and from position 3 which is a 195m run up.

From the short positions 1 and 2, with no headwind, safe takeoff weight drops to 27,000kg.

>>182058321
I haven't looked deep enough, as usual. Thank you for correction, I appreciate it a lot.

Join me for another bamco game
The eternal suffering begins buddies

>>182058701
Technically you are right, with 8400kg of fuel it could take off from the short positions, barely. However even adding 2 R-27s at 250kg each would put it at the limit, and that's not really doing anything if you have to scramble interceptors.

>>182059147
Paper specs never match practice. It seriously bugs me due to studying theorical sciences rather than a practical ones.
May I ask for some advice to avoid making this sort of "it works (on paper)" mistake?

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>>182044392
>tfw you can't look down while in cockpit view in ACI

anyone got a map of where each sector is for Bastion?
trying to fill my assault records and i cant remember where sector C and D are

>>182044392
If it didn't have retarded looking engines I think I would like the XFA-27 a lot more

>>182059420
Always take manufacturer claims with a shaker of salt. Unless they specify the exact conditions (altitude, armament),always assume the best possible conditions. Most manufacturers won't outright lie, but don't expect to see their numbers in reality.

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S E X
E
X

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>>182061443
Pure aesthetic/10

>>182061443
>>182061641
should I level this up or should I focus on the X-02 tiger?

>>182061953
How high is the Tiger compared to the Morgan?

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>>182061443
>>182061641

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>>182062086

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>>182062250
i would be a lot happier to see the morgan but try to get the aces to appear in Bastion is making me start to hate it because of how much im using it

>>182062008
tiger is lvl 5, morgan is lvl 1, but ready for lvl 2.

>>182062853
Seeing as how the Tiger starts out at lvl 5, I'd say you might as well get it leveled up. The Morgan has slightly worse stats, in addition to the fact it'll cost you money to get it to where the Tiger is, money that could be spent on getting your X-02 leveled up.

tl:dr stick with the Tiger for now.

>>182063219
sounds like a plan. although the main reason I was considering the morgan was because it's special weapons seem like they're better for anti-ground, but then again, I have my black duck for that.

>>182062250
okay this is phallic as fuck

>>182064287
To be perfectly honest, the MPBM is pretty underpowered, considering what a force to be reckoned with it was in Zero. Obviously the ECM and TLS are good, but if you were considering the Morgan to fill your A2G needs, I'd say absolutely stick with your Su-34.

i want to ask a question to the general
how did you guys get into the AC series and/or the general
i got brought in after i stumbled upon and watched this shortly after playing MGR several months back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkVdTbIPIto
i had absolutely no clue what ACZ but still thought it looked awesome and decided to go down to my local retro store to pick it up, but because i lost my PS2 cord a while back, i had no way to play it. i ended up asking /v/ where would be a good place to find PS2 BIOS dumps and got pointed here which just so happened to be the general for the game i wanted to play

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>>182068039
>That video
>replacing Zero with MGR music

fucking disgusting

Final call for the /aceg/ RPG sunday sessions. 2 spots left.

If you've already expressed a desire to join, get in here: https://pastebin.com/xHXPex1Z You need to check in with me if you plan on flying tomorrow.

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Did the blueprints for the Avro Arrow survive? Or is it completely impossible to bring back the Arrow, regardless of practicality?

>>182068039
Played infinity a year back or so, stopped after a couple weeks. Visited /vg/ for/xcg/, saw /aceg/ in the catalogue. Got curious and looked, then got hooked.

Still the best Hangar theme in the series! Maybe! They're all fantastic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeKSrO8Gctc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y708XjKcKok

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>>182069095
Sadly no legend with this one, but it's a pretty good cutaway view

>>182069970
Are there any family members who could be motivated to rebooting that project? Hypathecly (sp i know) speaking, mind you. Its for a bit of a writing project.

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>>182069095
This one has measurements but no details on interior and low reolution

Supposedly there's a complete arrow buried somewhere. During an interview in the 90s with the project manager he didn't confirm or deny when asked that point blank.

>>182070632
>somewhere on earth there is a plane we can dig up and claim as our own
hol up

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>>182069095
Lastly this one, little detail, but the legend is actually readable.
>>182070225 Family Members? You mean manufacturers?

>>182070738
Younger members of the family that might think their elder family members got screwed and might want to rebuild it somewhere else. All of you have given enough plot plausibility for this to work, thank you.

>>182070632
>>182070734
and so begins the great /aceg/ treasure hunt.

Rumours had circulated that Air Marshal W. A. Curtis, a World War I ace who headed Avro, had ignored Diefenbaker and spirited one of the Arrows away to be saved for posterity. These rumours were given life in a 1968 interview, when Curtis was asked directly if the rumour was true. He replied, "I don't want to answer that." He proceeded to question the wisdom of printing the story of a missing Arrow, and wondered whether it would be safe to reveal the existence of a surviving airframe only nine years later. "If it is in existence it may have to wait another 10 years. Politically it may cause a lot of trouble."

At some point in the future, i will be running a story/quest on Spacebattles. You will see what i'm talking about at that time. Again, thank you for your help.

>>182071035
LET'S BOOK TICKETS TO FIND THIS SHITTY PLANE AND CLAIM IT TO SHATTER THE SKIES

>>182071356
>implying any of us nerds could fly a plane

>>182071402
>who is thunder

>>182071506
Not a pilot.

>>182068571
Again, if you're planning on flying (Litfag, Brady) you need to check in with me today.

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To the buddies that like aircraft mecha musume:
Post artists that do designs you like. If you post pictures featuring them, please post them under a spoiler so as to not disturb our aeromantic brethen.
I prefer mine on the mechanic side.
Pic related is by Byenontae Jagga, who has only done one mecha musume, an F-14, so it's not completely unrelated. I also like Nenchi and kws. Tom-neko's designs are too busy for my taste.
Another one-off I like is Mikoyan's Tu-95MS. A shame he hasn't done more mecha musume.

>>181958448

IR scanners were installed but they were removed as the cabling was pure shit and couldn't keep track or show you the target due noise and false positives.

On F-4B/N/C/D the shell was left empty,if not the IRST was replaced by ECMs installed inside.F-14s had the same problem,I don't know if it was fixed on latter D variants because everytime someone asks about them former Navy personnel and pilots will always say that those things were crap.

Also F-8,F-102/6 and some others had them,again I don't know about their reliability as Falcon missiles were better used as bombs dropped above their targets

>>182075657
Neat.

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>>182068039
I was looking for games to play for the PS2 and found out about the Holy Trinity and decided to purchase them. Though my first experience was with 3DS game since I noticed it was part of the franchise and a remake too. It was a fun game with an interesting world so I read more about it.

I would play the trilogy but I'm still waiting on the correct damn copy of 4 since my first copy was from the wrong region. I'm very much anticipating a mercenary run of Zero when I get there.

pull up.

I love ace combat but know nothing about actual jets.

>>182079259
thats the same for most of us including me aside from a few hardcare anons like Brady and Thunder

>>182079408
>hardcore anons like these namefags

>>182079467
there are still a lot of actual anons on here that know planes inside out, all you gotta do is just scroll up and they were talkin about radar for a bit i think

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I need some AC music to show to a complete normie, is Merlon ok for this?
https://youtu.be/QlZvB-wFElI
Have a very tough Eagle in the meantime.

>>182079634
>That was all thunder

>>182080350
There's also this anon that wrote long-ass lists of visual differences between Flanker models. Some of them apparently even Brady didn't notice.

>>182079948
Merlon is one of the best!
Blockade too!
Reprisal too!

>>182068039
I was 4 years old, watching my dad play Air Combat while I snacked on an apple. After he finished a mission, he held the controller to me and said "Here, want to try?" and I played mission 3. I was pretty awful at it, but I remember my dad cheering me on and giving me advice when I had trouble.

Good times.

>>182068039
A friend of mine had AC6 on his 360. He knew I was a hardcore mecha game fan (Armored Core series) and noticed how much I favoured the Banshee when we played Halo, so he lent it to me.
He found it alright. I fell in love with the fucking game. It wasn't before a couple years later that I actually got into the series proper because I decided to wait for AC3's translation. I thought AC4 and the rest were sequels.

>>182080852
I didn't miss any of his greentext list, I just reread the list.

The detail about the difference in the IRST placement on the 27 and 35, however, I straight up missed, so props to anon.

>tfw more Flanker buddies are here
Feels good.

>>182081686
its a great plane
how can we not love it?

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>>182068039
Played Ace Combat 1, 2 and 3 with my dad back in the day. Then I kinda forgot about it, and never really heard anything about AC again until I saw copies of AC04 and AC5 at a GameStop in 2014. Asked on /v/ if they were any good, found out they are supposed to be incredible, so I got them the next day and my life hasn't been the same since! A year later I got AC0 too! Have played them all 3 times now at least! AC04 and 5 maybe 4 times even!

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>>182082205
>tfw playing 4 for the first time on glorious PS2 graphics after having been used to PS1 graphics

>>182081379
Wait a minute, did the AC3 translation get finished? I thought they barely got disc 1 done a few years ago and disc 2 wasn't likely to happen.

Don't tell me it actually happened and I just didn't know!

>>182082795
It's been finished since December, it's all in the OP. Look under AC3 (JP) Emulation Resources.

>>182082942
Boy oh boy. That's incredible. I can hardly wait to play it.
Imagine if we had gotten the real version back then. What an absolute classic we would be remembering instead of the soulless game that had only its gameplay and aesthetics to offer. I mean, story wasn't important in AC1 and 2, but it was there and it had charm, the VA was actually not bad either for the briefings and such. Instead AC3 in the West opts for text messages like "New Orders: enter the Electrosphere and destroy Night Raven" and shit.
It was good back in its time anyway, but such a disappointment when you know what it could've been...

>>182068039
a <<buddy>> had AC4 and 5 so we would play them together but couldn't get past mission 3 (i think?) in 4 because his disc was fugged. Later, I bought a copy of 5 for myself and managed to finish it.

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>>182082676
>going from Air Combat to AC6

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>>182085609
I've been spending hours on the 240p ACAHL lately. The next AC I'll play will probably be AC7. Not in 4K memery, but 1280p is going to absolutely blow my mind to the fifth degree.

><<Climb you nuggets!>>

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>tfw a remote controlled SOLG is AC7's secret SP weapon

>>182090926
But I want an SPW that actually does something.

>All I want for AC7 is a chaff system that isn't a tack on gimmick

I saw it in the gameplay vid. I hope it's and integral part.

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What the fuck am I piloting

>>182092451
Where even is the plane

>>182092491
its a nighthawk, check the front

>>182092561
but i don't see anything

>>182092561
There's just panes of glass floating along

>>182092451
>This is... stealth warfare.

>>182092592
>>182092636
what do you guys mean, theres a whole in the fabric of reality? theres literally nothing in existence in that location

>>182092451
THE HOPELESS DIAMOND
THE DANGER DORITO
THE BLACK BIRD OF UNPEACE

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>>182093447
>danger dorito

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318th for Su-30SM best Flanker

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>>182094795
>posting the inferior 2-seater flanker

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>10,000 mi range
>87,200 lb payload
>nuclear capable
>longest wingspan of any military aircraft
>only 5/384 survived
it still hurts

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>>182095293
I finally have a reason to post this

>>182095293

Looks like a winged dildo.

>>182095640
Is that a little pressurised tunnel with a cart in it for people to slide along to get to the opposite end of the plane?

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>>182074434
>Byenontae Jagga
He's also done an Su-37.

>>182096184
Yup.

>>182096275
Neat.

>>182074434
>an F-14
post it