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NEW EXPANSION: WONDERLAND DREAMS
https://shadowverse.com/cardpack/wonderlanddreams/
OFFICIAL SITE IS UP

NEW GRAND MASTER RANK
https://shadowverse.com/news/maintenance/news-0124

NERFS ARE UP
https://shadowverse.com/news/maintenance?announce_id=295
>The Shadowcraft follower Shadow Reaper.
>The bronze Neutral amulet Test of Strength.

Official Website:
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Old Thread >>181846550
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Tournament start time will be pushed back to 6pm PT/9pm EST for more players. I figure some people are still getting home from work.
https://battlefy.com/svg/svg-wonderland-6-july/595e120dc6948e034555cfb0/info
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>>181881123
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APOLOGIZE
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Dead game
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So Shadowverse is shit and Hearthstone has been forever, but what games aren't if I'm looking for an online strategy game to get into? Preferably CCGs?
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90354

concede pls
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Sexiest pose you'll ever see.
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>>181881347
Kill yourself, shadownigger.
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Me and my bitch
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>>181881363
Eternal if you don't mind lackluster card art and slow development.
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>Opponent plays lethal
>Hit surrender
>He still has time to BM and I have to watch him lethal me anyway because now it takes like 20 seconds to surrender
Who the fuck came up with this change? What's the point of it? It's like cygames is trying their best to get me to drop the game
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N E U T R A L S U P P O R T
DO YOU RIKE IT?!
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>>181881363
Depends on what you want. Do you wanna play any game or does it have to be multiplayer?

Also

>make blood deck
>have a 3 win streak from people conceding before t5 baph
Wow. Didn't think it was this easy.
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>>181881505
Just disable emotes, you sissy faggot.
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>>181881445
me on the left
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>>181881375
Neutral support is ok.
Its forcing neutral down our throats that was the problem.
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>>181881431
Is she any good?
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>>181881123
thats my zurifu
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>lose to a gm 'cause he lucker dog high rolled my hector 2 times
those should have been my +150
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79792

pls concede and ill tell kmr to nerf spawn
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Will we ever see bat support again?
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>>181870194

I played a few games of this and it was atrocious.

> loses to neutral
> loses to elana
> loses to spawn
> loses to rune

what's the fucking point
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>>181881645
Oh? Will disabling emotes revert this "feature"? Will the game stop wasting my fucking time if I disable emotes?
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why is hearthstone so much better than shadowverse?
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>>181881710
dumb slut
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>>181881772
thanks havenbro
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Why didn't they just balance the game? Why did they put in grossly overpowered shit? Why did they make it objectively worse? Why didn't they just make it better?
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67211

Can I get a concede fampai?
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>>181881972
All good things gotta come to a end.
It was fun while it lasted.
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>>181881972
this was easier
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Outplayed.
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so is everyone playing the shadow chemo deck right now? Im having good success with it so far
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>>181881972
>shitload of legos every expansion
>never nerf them
>just powercreep them even if they were gamebreaking
>DOUBLE AS MANY LEGOS NOW LOLOLO
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>>181881972
Japanese salarymen were starting to get fired for arriving late to work due to extremely long games
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>>181881562
I want some sort of competitive strategy game. Could be anything as long as it fits that niche, though I'd prefer a card game.
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>>181882089

ARIGATOU, FORTE-OKAA-SAN
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>>181882138
if he's got you down that low, why the fuck would he fetch spawn
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Second time's the charm.

Brand new account; how did I do? 50 packs ofc.
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>>181882395
You got 1 good lego
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>>181882395
p shit

Spawn is the only lego that sees play
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>>181882395
Nearly every lego is garbage. Try again.
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>>181881857
Shadow is in such a bad spot right now.
The only thing you can do with shadow now is neutral engine + Eachtar/DB/Cerb
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>>181882323
He wanted to evo kill me with it so I just traded all my shit until I left him with that Baph and nothing to ram his Cthulu into but also paid 8 pp for mine that turn. Next turn I just evo rammed the 5 pp one into baph for 8 damage and the one from previous turn did 12.
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>>181882395
>3 animated leggos
fuck you
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>>181882494
>Shadow is in such a bad spot right now.
Good.
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69276

need help
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>>181882315
Try Duelist, PoxNora, Eternal or Hex I guess.
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>>181881347
Come back papa echtar! I miss you!
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>>181882691
Kill yourself, shadownigger.
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>>181882395
Still not great, but you can get 2500 vials from the animated golem which is nice

You could vial the 2 golems, make another spawn and ride the spawn train until it gets nerfed or powercrept
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>>181881347
lol just imagine how they will powercreep spawn next expansion
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why did you make a new thread
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>>181882676
Thank you, I'll look into them
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>>181882789
>play Spawn Blood with no Alices
That's terrible advice.
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>>181881363
Play Gwent, not seriously now that weather meta is out the game is fun again. Also since agro and the like don't exist (and the same can be said about control though that is debatable) you will always play out your strategies and usually comes down if you play around the win condition of your adversary properly or if you are a retarded cuck that play shits blindly.
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Post Dirt Rune list please.
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>>181882935
There is such a thing as 'budget decks for newer players' anon.
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>>181881363
The Wakfu card game is apparently good
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>>181882883
Meant Duelyst, sorry.
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>>181882825
NEW SWORD LEGENDARY: ODA NOBUNAGA
5pp 15atk/15health Storm
If the opponent has any followers in play, sacrifice them and add their combined atk to Oda Nobunaga.
Immune to spells and effects.
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>>181882935
He'll have enough free packs by the time he stumbles into A rank to craft Alices if he really wants to.
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>>181881249
im joining soon. also anon isnt it easier to use challonge instead? is anyone streaming these?
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>>181883118
>turn 5
It's shit since most games will already be finished by turn 4
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>>181882221
Can you post it please?
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I miss the days when turn 2 fairies into turn 3 AE was something to fear.
Can I please have a legacy server with just Standard ?maybe DE too
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>we want games to be faster
>makes conceding take even longer
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>>181881857
I'm here to save you shadownigger
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>NIGERU GOBU
What did she meme by this?
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>>181883034
>>181883131
Not him, but thyat anon's roll is shit. He can get another roll with Spawn but with actually other usable legos over 7 meme ones.
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>>181882221
>>181883256
Nevermind I know which one you're talking about now.
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>>181883351
Spawn is literally the only legendary that isn't a meme right now
Spawn and Alice
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>>181883118
That looks a little too strong, make it give -2 hp to balance it out.
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>>181883104
Eh, it's fun but grinding takes ages unless you drop some cash.
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>>181883118
>unga bunganunga
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>>181883258
I wanna go back to the good ol days. Simpler times.
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>DUDE 4/4 FOR 3 WITH """"""'DOWNSIDE""""""""" LMAO
>DUDE 3/9 WITH STORM/BANE/WARD FOR 5 LMAO
DUDE GIVE SOMETHING 4/6 ON TURN 3 LMAO
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>>181883536
the first time i read that post i read the something like
>unga nobununga
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i thought the shadowverse devs were magic pros or some shit

did these retarded japs just stop trying
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>>181883381
post it
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>>181883594
t. B rank
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>>181883594
I just cannot understand how CyGames considers spread bodies a downside.
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>>181883649
They are.

They forgot about what happened when WotC made Mirrodin,
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Looks like I've outplayed another one.
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>>181883707
i mean i wouldnt mind if they were 1/2 at least
>1/3 3/5 on evolve
literally how do you remove that without having to wait a turn just so you get something removed by lmao 1/3 bane
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>>181883658
I assume it's this one linked here >>181881857
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>>181883670
>Impyling B rank opinions don't matter
Cygames decided we're more important than fat Master neckbeards, deal with it.
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>>181883482
Dark Alice isn't really a meme either.
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>>181883118
Evo deals 5 damage to an enemy
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>>181883806
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>>181883670
t.swordnigger
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>>181883351
>>181883482
Third time's the....


Nvm. At least I linked the previous account.
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>>181883797
kek
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>>181883806
Levi, among the myriad of other removal every class got this expansion
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>>181883707
Spread bodies is a downside with all the AoE or multi-removal nowadays.
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>>181881249
30 minutes to start time, you can now check in.

>>181883192
It probably is and, if there is interest for these again, I will use Challonge next time. I was using Battlefy as I thought the last guy used it, but it was pointed out to me that he used Challonge. I can stream them if people want.
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What's Falise's drawback?
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>>181884023
Levi only removes two. Want to give some examples?
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>>181882226
>>never nerf them
Only a few legos were ever worth nerfing.
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>AoE removal does 2 damage
>The number to beat is 3 right now
>Next expansion AoE removal will deal 3 damage
>Next next expansion the number to beat will be 4
not like this
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>>181884232
No full stats on evo and dependent on the neutral engine
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>>181884368
Maybe next expansion's theme will be Removalcraft, every removal gets bumped to 3-4 damage.
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>>181884368
At this point I have a mild hope they'll powercreep hp to 25 to make more space for card powercreep.
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How about now?

Last time I'm littering your thread, I promise. (Maybe I'll do one more desu, unless it's getting annoying)
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>>181884232
Literally too slow.
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>>181884645
reroll
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>>181884368
But we have that bro
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>>181884241
I meant Young Levi
And I don't particularly care to list every card, but assuming that you have something left over from the previous turn, almost every card that can go two for one clears CoCK
>But not every class has a one card clear
Is this a problem? Thinking like that is what turned the game into Removalverse
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>>181884645
Reroll that shit
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>>181884645
You've literally got nothing there.

Shoulda kept spawn, instead you listened to the netdeckers
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who is your cardfu?
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>start playing game
>have fun
>grind to AA using the blood deck with the 1 goblin
>tog comes out
>don't get anything good and simply get outclasses
>stop having fun
>WD comes out
>maybe it'll be different
>out of 20 packs only have gotten 3 golds
What am I suppose to do? I just want to play and have fun. I can't play this bargain bin elana deck that much longer. I want to play fun stuff like banner snow white and dirt rune but i'm too poor.
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>>181884645
Bad, reroll.
Also don't bother with filling the thread up, there is literally nothing else to be discussed now.
>tfw the meta has settled
>20+ days until possible changes
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Still waiting on that tier1 Oz decks, assholes.
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>>181884781
6pp is already too expensive, you waste a lot of sigils through the first 5turns, you had to have a perfect curve and go 1st to get a sigil on board in time for a t6 levi
>implying you will draw anything in time
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>>181884836
>tfw crafted spawn, and oz, but can't stop playing a shitty homebrew roach deck
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>>181884836
Play solo missions and if you care about the sleeves just hope to go first every game
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>>181884829
The one and only.
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Has the heart of the cards come through for you today?
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>>181884829
Unica is my wife!
She's super cute and pure!
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>>181884645
Reroll.
Also, don't listen to this retard >>181884802
Keeping a garbage roll because of a single card for a deck that will get nerfed in 20 days is a terrible idea.
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kmr deserves to die for this shit
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Guys, someone here does have a good page to watch the galleries of good ol' RoB? The english wikia is trash an abandoned.
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>>181883281
this is more like the shadow killer deck
I wish young levi was a thing in tog

>>181884836
sadly it's getting more and more expensive to keep up
you want, at the very least, 50 packs at the start of each expansion to guarantee you pull all bronzes and silvers, so you gotta save up somewhat early but that's hard as someone with a small collection
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>>181885225
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>>181884836
>20 packs
Why didn't you save gold? How are you still playing budget decks after playing for months?
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>>181885184
you need to be arrested
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>>181884995
If you're going to do the fallacy where your opponent curves amazingly every game and you never draw what you need, please let me know so I don't need to waste my time responding to you
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Anyone have those templates for the character leaders in-game animations?

I need Arisa's
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>>181885184
Why does she have huge sleeves?
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>>181885383
umad jan jan?
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>>181885162
I pulled a Wyrm God so that's kind of cool. Might burn her next time I need vials though, I don't see myself buying into this particular meme.
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http://seesaawiki.jp/mnga_bahamut/d/%bf%cd%c2%b0%c0%ad%20%8e%da%8e%bc%8e%de%8e%aa%8e%dd%8e%c4%8e%de

Use the Google Translate to get an idea of what the moonrunes mean. There should be a section where they list the art for the Shadowverse cards.
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>>181885221
The big thing here is, he's not gonna get shit going for a flawless pull.
He gave up a pull with one of the strongest legendaries in the game, as well as several animated legendaries for vials.
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>>181885350
I stopped seriously playing after tog and started up again a week or so before WD came out
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>>181884829
>tfw don't even play anymore but I can't stop thinking about her
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>>181885565
meant for >>181885232
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>>181885494
she want to grow up as a fat horse
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Why is everyone playing Forest in unranked
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>>181885720
Thank you my love <3
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>>181885881
Dailies.
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Why aren't you playing Ephemera in Neutral Sword, /svg/?
>2nd surrogate Alice that doesn't require an EP unlike Feria
>Permanent +1 draw from Rabbit Ear Attendant
>Shield of Flame synergy
>Works with CoCK and Alwida's Command when played on curve
>Mad synergy with t9 Alberto for 4+5+1 damage without an EP
>She's very cute
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>>181885494
How else will she give sleevejobs to dragons?
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This game isn't worth playing this month if you're not using meme decks desu
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>>181885974
She smells bad!
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>>181885881
>lowest winrate of all crafts
>least played craft
>didn't get anything good for 3 expansions
It's a given they'd be hiding in unranked.
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>>181885974
She's too much of a thirsty slut
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>>181886095
BnB would be aright if games didnt end the turn after you play it
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>>181886045
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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>>181885974
because I'll forget to swing with cinderella before bouncing her and concede on T4
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>>181881249
5 minutes until start time. Hopefully we can get more than just a couple of signups.
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>>181886162


j-just pixie mischief bro
just draw looking glass into ETA bro
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Too much control on ranked. I will just cuck them with Dshift and concede against blood.
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>>181885974
I actually do
Only 2 though, and quite often never see them. Think I've only ever drawn her once.
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>>181885974
The fuck is with the staff in heaven? Handicapped, smug cunts, and lazy wastes. At least demons keep up hiring standards.
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>>181886247
She's neutral nigga.
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>>181886045
I want to take a bath with her and princess carry her around when she doesn't want to walk!
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>>181885974
I am. Neutral Ambush Sword is tier 1, it just isn't popular yet.
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>>181881249
>tfw working class so I can't join
This is the worst
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Forest and Rune would've both been better off trading their neutral interaction mechanics with each other.
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I'M FUCKING GONNA DO IT
PLEASE HELP
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>>181886492
Do it. Just don't make the mistake of opening most of them at once. Be patient and open them daily
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>>181886492
it won't go away iirc so why not wait until the end of the month to see the balance changes?
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>>181881857
>whether you go first or not, keep Zombie Party against Blood for Tove
>always keep Unica or squisher
>if going second, mull away 3PP
Some word of advice for mulling. Granted, I never have good rate with it, but I can't blame the list when it keeps throwing me games with 5PPs hand.
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>>181886492
Don't do it anon
You could use that money in something better, like starting a fire or wiping your ass
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>not even one Legendary from free 10 packs of the new exp

T-thanks
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>>181886492
you wanna give money to kmr after he put fucking spawn and alice in the game??
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>>181886602
But why
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>>181886312
I also run 2 and I swear I see her more often than Alice
>YOU CAN GE-YOU CAN GET THIS MUCH
Holy shit shut up
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>>181886623

corpse and attendant can't interact with the board, bone chimera feels underwhelming and you need to remove your own shit to remove theirs

no boards clears either
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>>181886715
I've been out of the game for a while, what do you mean?
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okay I want to build the most stally wally control deck possible. At this point I don't care about winning. I just want to stall the game for as long as possible. I am going to rope every turn, I am going to spam emotes and do everything in my power to turn a 5 minute game into a 25 minute game. Fuck these goddamn Tojo salarymen, they want to make this game fast at the cost of fun? I'm going to make it so they can't have either. Help me, /svg/. If we're not going to be able to win without running retarded bloodnigger decks, at least give these faggots the Pyrrhic victories they deserve.

All that's left is time, you faggot fucking slanteye vampires.
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why in the world is tove 3/3?

easiest hotfix in the world would be a 2/3 or 3/2 nerf

they could do it right now and neutral blood would instantly drop to t1 or t2
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>>181886789
just ToS bro
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>>181881249
Ok, uh just looks like Woof and Phantoon will be playing each other. I've sent you both friend requests, but if one of you would like to host the lobby and set it to BO3 and spectators enabled that would be great.
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>>181886831
this meta is a shitfest

bloodcraft with alice and spawn is tier 0

if you go first you win

if you go second you lose

it's fucking shit
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>>181886841
play forest and run 3x forest of dreams, 3x pixie mischief, and 2x homecoming
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>>181881665
she is decent but for blood (and sword i guess) you can have better cards, but she is solid, and not in neutral only decks
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>>181886915
Sheeeeit
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>>181886789
The GM dude said something about keeping lurching and Necroassasin going second since you can take down up to 3 followers Unfortunately that will require your opponent to ignore your Lurching Corpse on turn 3, which most have wisen up to.
The general idea is to keep yourself alive with multiple wards until your Eachtar/Thane.
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>>181886762
Double the packs if you only get daily deal
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>>181886914
Sorry anon. SGDQ or I'd have entered, you know?
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>>181886841
Just play Elana with no Elana.
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>>181886841
either play haven or rune then, they're the only ones who can sort of deal with blood's bullshit
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>>181886915
Even more so than Bapho/spawn, the thing that has driven me out of this game for at least this month is the introduction of the fucking neutral opener package. Now almost every SINGLE game (because who in their right mind wouldn't be running it) is a fucking highroll coinflip thanks to brilliant cards like Goblin Leader, Alice, and Feria where if you have a single suboptimal turn against it you get absolutely fucked beyond recovery because almost nothing removes a board full of 3+ hp shit.
Oh and don't go second, ever
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>>181886841
>tfw slowly increasing the suicide rate among salarymen by exclusively playing aegis and dshift
They asked for it.
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Why does discord hate unica and call her a fat horse?
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>>181887080
Shit you're right
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>>181886914
>2 players

i think you should just scrap it and host it again on another time tbqh, i cant join right now
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>>181886852
Why the fuck should it get extra stats?
It's only run in neutral heavy decks, his downside is actually an upside - conditional rush.
2/2 with conditional rush is already good enough.
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>>181887313
Seems that way. Maybe next week
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>>181887326
It's a blood card. :^)
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>>181887073

> multiple wards

the only wards that shit deck runs is death breath and 2/3 are underwhelming when everything has 3+ health
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>>181886852
>>181887326
Because KMR needs to win with Blood, so you have to deal with a 2PP 3/3. Just party, flame shield, hungering, razory claw bro Thank you
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>>181887419
>>181887326
>>181886852
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>>181886763
I've also got a ghost heavy ephemera shadow deck but the results have been mixed
The deck really hurts for shadows.
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Where are all the neutralspawn players? I've only ran into one blood player in 20 games and he was control
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>>181887445
>Unica (only on turn 2)
>Khawy
>Wight King off Thane
From what the dude said, you play it as you will play Nep, control the board with all those random destruction/liches
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>>181887496
just midnight haunt bruh
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Please concede senpai!
56812
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>>181887578
>losing to shadow
Neutralcraft and you went second?
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>>181887296
they are jelly of her fat body

>>181887326
>2/2 with conditional rush is already good enough
nope, it's a trash, especially if neutral is out of favor after goblin leader nerf or something in that vein

it's not merely conditional rush, it's either can't attack or conditional rush
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>>181887496
>The deck really hurts for shadows.
How? I have a haunted house deck with her, which is just a bunch of token generators and phantom howl and I end up with so many shadows I added Tyrant as a secondary wincon
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>>181887217
>tfw tanaka-san jumps in front of the train after he loses a 20-turn game against anon
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>>181887690
Thanks Forte-senpai
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>>181887725
opened with both my aegis in hand as well
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>>181887832
Maybe I just keep bricking, I've only played about 7 games with the deck.
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>>181885657
Nothing is stopping you from playing your cardfu.
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>go second
>lose

xD
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Where were you when Cygames made a card more overstatted than Yurius?
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>>181887952
if you're bricking consistently your deck is shit

reminder that a turn 1 do nothing counts as bricking
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>Lucifer heals before Tilting Windmills kills him
REEEEEEEEE
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>>181886914
i just noticed this post
we were only 2 anyway, it wouldnt feel like a tourney at all, maybe next time i geuss
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>when they ragequit from your hector "3 points to face" and rapunzel they couldn't kill
>when they play spawn of the abyss without evolve and are facing down lethal at 11 def
Made two people ragequit today, this game is awesome.
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>>181887738
>especially if neutral is out of favor
It's built for neutral so this is irrelevant point.
It's not intended to be useable outside of it.

>it's not merely conditional rush
In neutral it's exactly that, merely a conditional rush. "Can't attack" isn't a thing.
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>>181888150
>Complaining about turn 8 13 damage
lmao
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>>181887954
No, I mean I don't olay Shadowverse anymore. Not really liking the direction that the game is going and it wasn't fun for me anymore. Hime still has a special place in my heart though.
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>>181888130
>don't draw a 1 drop
>mulligan
>don't get a 1 drop
Yeah, I guess I am bricking then. Thanks for the uuhhhh advice there bud
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>>181885491
Here
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Did this expansion make any changes to storm Haven?
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>>181885657
>>181888263
>doesnt even play the game
>still waste space on the thread
whats youre end gaem
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>>181888324
Doesn't beat spawn or the neutral engine/10
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>>181888395
Cumming on otohime's feet most likely.
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>>181888260
>It's built for neutral so this is irrelevant point.
>It's not intended to be useable outside of it.

that's why it shouldn't be nerfed if neutral engine undergoes a nerf to neutral cards, most likely to goblin leader

>"Can't attack" isn't a thing

except it's not that uncommon when neutral blood/sword can't activate it and nobody plays pure neutral outside of dailies
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>>181888324
Snow white, tea time and doggo and mandatory now
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>>181888452
*are mandatory
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>>181888324
Snow White, Tea Time and Lion.
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>>181888307
If your deck doesn't look like this it's shit.
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>>181888130
I'm not adding Merman into my decks, fuck you
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>>181888307
yep, no problem.

I'm somewhat joking about not getting a 1drop being bricking, but not by much. That's how important dealing with the early neutral engine is.

Your first hand needs to consist of

1 1drop
1 2 drop
1 2-point removal

or you're basically fucked. you literally just cannot complete with goblins and tove and shit otherwise. Whoever gets the perfect curve wins. If both or neither player gets a perfect curve, whoever goes first wins. this isn't even joking, this is straight fact.
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>>181888314
Thanks
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>queue up
>people see my craft
>insta concede

thanks, autists
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>>181888263
Time to leave this general anon, do something productive with your life like attempting to become 2D.
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>>181888314
>those huge ass ears
disgusting
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>>181888729
What are you going to do with it?
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>>181888629
Did you really go out of your way to make this for me anon.
Thank you...I'm touched.
I'll never brick again.
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>>181888826
Finish an image
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81000
Need a concede.
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>>181888125
>it should have been its time to support its desert rider legendary
>nope
I'm still waiting for the interview with KMR so he can explain the wonderful expansion.
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>>181888235
Sorry about that
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Is it even worth opening WD packs at this point or should I start saving for next expansion?
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>>181887839
>ends up slowing down the train
>just enough time for Sakura-chan to finish her match against Elana
In the end it's all the same.
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>>181888785
>you had tove and grimnir on curve

why should they waste the 5 minutes for you to do all your gay shit and just do 16 damage turn 7? You're literally the problem with this fucking game right now you goddamn bloodnigger
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>>181888967
You can still open if you want to get some animated or emblem. Just don't turn any of the extras into vials until end of the expansion.
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>>181888919
He has already explained it.
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>>181888785
>being a tryhard
>calling other autist
Kill yourself, you bloodnigger.
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>>181889148
oh cool so not only are they blatantly ruining the game and favoring Blood, but they're lying about it
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>>181888903
Thanks for the golds, mama.
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Sub 5% play rate.

Who ready for roach Armageddon in 3 months once Cyjews pendulum swings.
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>>181889051
>b0 shitter

lol
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>>181889082

I honestly don't care about emblems. I still use the default one with First Farer even after 1000+ ranked wins on A2
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wew this deck
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>>181889148
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>>181888898
You better post it here or else
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>>181889283
that's a flair, not an emblem
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>>181889148
Do you think they're lying about "not promoting any particular class" or do you think they're just so incompetent that they actually didn't see how much busted shit Blood has?
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>>181889289
post deck
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>instead of killing me with scarlet face 2 damage + 16 from spawn, he evo trades with her
>20k mp shitter
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>>181888125
>2pp 3/3 WITH AN UPSIDE
Still can't wrap my head around what were they thinking
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>>181889376

same shit, I use both default ones
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>>181889391
http://game-ai.jp/40174/
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>>181889381
Considering that they said that the Gobu + Roach interaction was unintentional, I'd bet on the latter.
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>>181889329
He's so fucking smug.
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>>181889460
>m-muh neutral requirement
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>>181889381
they know pretty damn well what they're doing, but they're doing it anyway
even fucking /svg/ saw this shit coming
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>>181889436
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM I WENT FIRST IN A MIRROR MATCH AND WON BY DEFAAAAAAAAUUUUUULLT
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>>181889381
>implying a 2PP 3/3 with severe drawback is not balanced
>implying a soul glutton with one less defense for a fanfare of Vampire Kiss that can go face is not balanced
>implying a self-damaging cudgel is not balanced
>implying a fuck-your-themis-16-damage is not balanced
Hahaha. Thank you
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>>181889536
He clearly explained how he could have easily lost.
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>>181889470
>2k matches
>A2
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>>181889536
I literally just made this spawn deck to climb to GM and I've been outplaying other spawnshitters all day. It's hilarious how bad these people are.

>>181883797
>>181882138
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>>181881465
>>181881363
Seconding this. Eternal is like western Shadowverse with "comic"-style art and when you draft in Eternal, you get to keep -all- the cards. All the leaders are also playable cards.
So if there was ever a game I would jump to if Shadowverse ever shut down, it would be this one, currently.
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>>181889620

2k wins and over 5k losses

I've been in A rank since November
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Remember when the faglord who revealed Spawn said it was a "memey" card? Good times.
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>>181889476
>game-ai

>>181889589
tove is actually balanced if they nerf neutral engine

it's not normal for neutral engine to be the strongest per se but it's ok to have strong cards like tove to make it viable
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>>181889436
>killing me with scarlet face 2 damage
Shhh, don't tell everyone about that. Most don't even read their cards.
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what happened to the torny?
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>>181889739
>So if there was ever a game I would jump to if Shadowverse ever shut down, it would be this one, currently.

Eternal peaks at about 1500 active players per day as opposed to SV's 30k-ish active players. I wouldn't hold my breath for Eternal making it past its second expansion but technically it still is in beta (after a year).
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>>181889929
Organizer is taking a break while furiously masturbating to Unica chan.
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>>181881123
>>181881710
It's a shame she's the weakest of her sisters
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>>181889381
Blood was still having a shit performance before the Neutral Blood list came together, and that took 3 or 4 days between hundreds of thousands of players testing. Most of the lists in play right now already had their framework developed before the set released.

I absolutely believe they overlooked it and I don't blame them for it. There's a lot of shit to test and that the strongest neutral deck would be in one of the crafts with the least synergy is something people would reasonably miss.
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>>181889865
>a 2PP 3/3 is actually balanced
No, you stupid fart. That stat is worth at least 3.5PP
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>post yfw Shadowverse is now more of an unbalanced piece of shit than fucking HEARTHSTONE
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WHAT THE FUCK

The game literally just kicked me out and forced me to re-select my audio. Now it's downloading shit all over and I was in the middle of a ranked game.
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>>181889518
honestly, even if literally everybody but Cygames saw this coming, I don't think anyone anticipated things being this bad. People didn't think it would get this out of hand. They figured sure it would probably be about like pre-nerf Shadow in ToTG. Instead we have a legitimate Tier0 deck that can only lose due to insane luck on the opponent's side and horrible luck or misplays on your own. Even running a counter deck like burn rune or Haven is more just giving yourself a buffer for bad luck rather than actually making it so that you can win.
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>>181889929
Canned it cause only 2 signups. Hopefully I can try again next week and get more; I'll use challonge and GDQ won't be on.
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>>181890085
How do you overlook the whole neutral package to begin with? Like, they never found out the second player would get the short end of the stick because all their followers will be killed since the opposition is buffed?
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>>181889998
I never said it had a gajillion players though and all games have to start somewhere. At 1000+ players, that's good enough to get matches going plus I mostly just do AI drafts and gauntlets anyway.
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>>181890092
crazed executioner doesn't need an activator to be able to attack and also is an activator of vengeance himself
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>>181889752
You're sandbagging obviously.

Right?
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Just finished reorganizing my decks, putting the ones that I use on the first page. What are your decks looking like right now, /svg/?
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>>181890152
Thing is, people other than Cygames were working at a disadvantage. If people who haven't played with the cards have an understanding of the game even close to the people actually testing it at Cygames... well, that's an impressive level of incompetence.

I honestly dunno which would be worse. I guess incompetence is better, since if it isn't intentional there is always the 0.01% chance they improve.
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>>181890253

n-no
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>>181890194
If you put up some prize money, like maybe a $5 steam card, you'll definitely get more signups. It's just a suggestion though
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>>181890230
That 2 defense is worth 0.5PP and he can kill you when you drop him late game. Tove is fucking busted and you know it.
>muh needing to run Grimnir and Unica
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>>181890138
Happened to me the other day, tutorial screens showed up again for everything but other than that literally nothing happened
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>>181890273

Can you show me your garuda teatime? I tried running that with Dark Jeanne but it was so evolve hungry it never worked out. I think I also played too defensively and that's why I almost never won with that deck.
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>>181890393
no, i regard those who whine about tove like those who whined about yurius
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>>181890338
honestly, this happens in every competitive game. No matter how hard you try to make something super balanced, it's very easy to fuck something up and make it OP as shit. And in card games making something broken on accident has much harder ramifications than other genres.
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>getting highrolled by lion haven
>getting highrolled by fucking retarded dragonshitter with urd-genesis-dread sea combo
>getting highrolled by sword with neutralshit
what the fuck CYagames
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>>181890138
Happened to me twice already and to some streamers I was watching as well. It's a weird bug.
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fuck it, what's the netdeck for neutral blood? Might as well get the ranks out of it while I can
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>>181890138
>>181890401
>>181890598
could be an update to get ready for premades, still no mini-patch here yet
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>>181890568
tfw trump will never all you at night
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>>181890495
Only forestshitters complain about Yurius
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>>181890640
If you can't figure it out then you don't deserve it.
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>>181890506
I'm willing to tolerate a certain level of broken. But I think it comes down to design philosophy. Cygames are doing the Yugioh thing where they are so focused on Timmy cards and "cool" interactions that they make the game unfun for anyone who plays the game more than once a set.
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>>181890714
*call
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any flame and glass decks?
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>t1 please
>they immediately glow
>t2 aria
>glowed
>t1 drop please again
>GLOWED
Y-YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME
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>>181890194
only 2 is kinda sad people in /svg/ are really chickening desu.and i'm tired of the same complained about the meta over and over again
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Who has the ugliest art?
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>>181890495
Great mental gymnastics, bloodcunt
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>>181890994
>t7 ZA WARUDO
>chimera, flame destroyer, flame destroyer
Pssh, nothing pursonal, hagfag.
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>>181891019
hector without question
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>>181890085
This. People were mocking how Spawn was the new sneks, 'he fell for the cblood meme, again', etc. It wasn't until the grandmasters all showed up with the neutral mid-range abomination of a deck that people stopped laughing.
>>
I wonder what Rowen's wife does all the time while he's out defending the nation. Seems he spends a lot of time away from home...maybe she gets lonely.
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>>181890194
Sorry anon one of my friends was visiting me and we were watching kamen rider
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>More balanced than HS
>Blood decks had no counter
Explain this shadowbabs
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>>181891017
Go to sleep ESL-kun.
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>>181891019
that snek is so cute~
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>>181891017
>>181891189
sleep forever while you're at it
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>>181891017
obviously there are some things wrong with the current exp but i want to beleive most people are overreacting/shitposting
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>>181890789
So only people with a brain can't perceive how overstatted Yurius is?
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>>181891148
Cygames got cocky because they saw HS had pirate cancer meta whereas all classes were master viable in RoB even if Daria and Roach were ridic.
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>>181891189
what's an esl
>>
>go second
>lose

good game guys
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>>181891104
you don't like men wearing mascara?
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>>181891126
Ntr doujins of his wife when?
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>>181891273
>overstatted
Doesn't mean anything anymore. Stats and evo stats don't necessarily correlate to power at all.
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>>181891324
e-shadowbab league
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>>181891189
>>181891232
But my vacation just started
>>181891236
the meta of exp is kinda better than the last 2 ones but the neutral theme was a bad idea
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>>181891126
hugs a dakimakura of rowen ofc
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>>181891324
extra sexy lady
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>>181891324
exciting sexy labor
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>>181891480
I think it was a good idea on paper, they just went overboard with it
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>>181891480
You've gotta be out of your mind if you think a meta that consists of ONE DECK is better than previous metas, which at their worst usually consisted of at least 2 decks.
High ranked ladder right now is actually nothing but mirror matches. It's comedic in its awfulness.
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>>181891146
Its ok I don't imagine everyone who wants to play will be available.

>>181891017
I know I took the strawpoll, but could I please have some feedback on the motion of banning Spawn and Alice? Was something like 17 ban both vs 14 no bans. I would ideally like not to ban anything. Maybe if people don't want the threat of neutral blood, we could ban Baphomet instead so that Spawn can still be used in control blood.
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>>181891236
This meta is still better than early ToG. There's at least a number of potential decks waiting in the wings if Spawn and the neutral aggro package gets nerfed. There was no hope in ToG, the cards to beat Mid-Shadow simply didn't exist. Even control Haven was barely a 50-50 against it.
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>>181891657
>Not knowing that ESLs only play Blood
Of course the subhumans would like an expansion where they're T0.
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>>181891694
They're not going to nerf Spawn. So nerfing neutral package wouldn't do much.
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>>181891581
i believe they didnt test their shit enough
everyone noticed that neutral sword was cancer day 0 but somehow they didnt bother with blood that much
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i know that asl means animal sex lover, it's from omegle chats, but for esl i am not sure... emmet sex lover?
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>>181891694
>blood is an oppressive shit
>j-just wait for it to get nerfed
>actually thinks alicecraft will get nerfed
So what will you do if it doesn't get nerfed?
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Where are the bbs to take off?
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>>181891126
>He doesn't know that Rowen's "wife and daughter" all just in his mind.
>He doesn't know that Rowen just imagines them when he's at home to cope with the battle PTSD and loneliness
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>>181891764
I've never understood why people want S/S+ style decks. If one deck is better than everything else, it benefits no one. You don't just start winning against everyone, because everyone else is playing the same damn thing. You're locked into 50% ratios, especially in games that are too simple to fuck up much with skill differential. There have been card games where it can be hard to pilot top tier decks, but SV isn't one of those games. So people who desire a meta like this... it just blows my mind. It's like discovering people who don't understand the concept of a race to the bottom.
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>>181891902
Wait another month and tell everyone "t-this time for sure!"
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>>181891909
IS THAT A FUCKING NIPPLE?

MODS
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>>181891998
>There have been card games where it can be hard to pilot top tier decks, but SV isn't one of those games.
it was back then when otk roach was the thing
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>>181890994
why didn't he until the timer almost run out to glow it
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>>181891789
No, but they might take away Baphomet's enhance which means Spawn doesn't get dropped until turn 8. Gives you a couple more turns to draw an answer to just kill the Blood player.

>>181891902
>>181892040
Same thing I'm doing now, casually do dailies with meme/off-meta decks. I still enjoy the game, but perhaps it's time for some people here to move on.
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>>181891998
>So people who desire a meta like this... it just blows my mind
Bandwagoners need a single strong deck they can bandwagon to. They don't know where to go if ladder is all over the place, and they can't think for themselves either, just netdeck.
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>pulled 3 of these cuties
>not even played in the cancer deck
Fuck that. I'm going to run her even with a "handicap".
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>>181892110
a covered nipple

>>181890994
glow?
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>>181891764
My favorite crafts were sword,blood and haven.
And i hated Aegis and Albert carrying entire crafts, spawn was a bad idea for blood i hate that card with my hearth
>>181891657
>the current meta is worse than the last one
ok anon come back in three months with the same shit again
>>181891581
I really hate neutral shit and staple shit like 10 years of black holes and 15 years of same traps in Yu Gi Oh and 80% of neutral in HS.
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>crafted 2 jabbermeme
>could have crafted 2 snow white to add to my 1 I already have
Life isn't easy when all vials go into dragon memes.
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>>181892112
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>>181891850
Honestly I'm not even convinced Neutral Sword will settle that high even Blood gets hit and it doesn't. I've been taking out a lot of them easily as collateral in my Neutral blood tech.
The deck doesn't feel nearly as scary as as most of the historical tier 1s in their meta. I've been beating it easy on different Shadow lists, Elana and Aegis. The only deck of mine that struggles against it is DShift, and you know how that match up goes historically.
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>>181892232
you can change grimmnir for her but you would also likely need to change scarlet for something like whitecat because otherwise you might have problems with buffing your followers/activating tove reliably i.e. you don't want too many blood followers in a neutral deck
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>>181891432
>>181891515
>>181891520
Please guys you can tell me I'll keep the secret
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>>181892367
Most neutral sword players are dumb netdeckers. The best sword deck has yet to catch on.
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>>181892483
It's esports.
eslgaming.com
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Why do I always only see youtubers and twitch play shadowverse if they are paid to do it? If I see Shadowverse stuff it's only sponsored stuff.
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>>181892171
Getting rid of Baphomet's enhance would be nice in the sense that counter techs would actually do something. It's fucking sad right now that Roland, a card that seems designed perfectly to counter Spawn, can't actually come out quick enough to do anything if they go first. Fucking surreal that an OTK wincon comes out quicker than a 7 cost mid-game ward.
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>>181892367
Fast aggro always dominates day 0. It always seems like cancer because everyone is trying shit out. Unlike RoB Blood, Neutral Sword didn't even remain relevant past the first few days. It's okay for zerging dailies, and nothing more.
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>>181891324
Eternally Sad Loser
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>>181892743
because you don't use live.shadowlog.com
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>>181892770
Not to mention they can take out the sword with their 7PP Orb Vampire.
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you guys watching the new hearthstone expansion reveal, right? it's not like you're playing bloodverse
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>>181892743
Shadowverse is small on the west. Go watch nip streamers.
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How do we stop him forest bros?
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>>181892295
It's mathematically worse than any meta I've ever seen in this game. I've been playing since the start of DE.
I mean, we used to joke about Tier 0. Tier 0 actually exists now. That says it all.
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Post /svg/ music for different eras.

This song is most representative of ToG as it reflects the content in threads as well as the most dominant blood deck of the expansion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByC8sRdL-Ro
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>>181892770
>roland
hello b0
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>>181892743
There are streamers that regularly play Shadowverse on Twitch

https://www.twitch tv/directory/game/Shadowverse
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>>181892831
looks as a harem, a lot of girls and a man for those who prefer men
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Need a concede

59304
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>>181892860
It's stuff like that that convinces me they wanted this to happen. There's no way you just accidentally give one craft so many perfect cards. The "there's no way they foresaw this" posters are full of shit.
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>>181892770
>7 cost
>mid-game

Get with the times
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>>181891324
English as a second language

In this case a foreigner who can't speak English correctly.
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>>181892920
I'm masters, but whatever. She dilutes the deck. It's a technical answer and its bullshit they gave her that ability, but practically speaking it isn't that big of a deal.
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>balance knights into balance knights
e p i g
p
i
g
i had levi this time tho
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>>181893118
thx m8
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>>181892556
>just emeralda bro
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>>181893302
>destroyes the only effect that counters spawn on t7 before he shows up and potentially hits face
>"n-not a big deal"
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>>181893129
They wanted control blood to be strong, which is fine since it's been the the gutter for too long. What they didn't see coming was half the cblood package being used with the neutral aggro engine to create a deck with no weakness.
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>>181893527
Which is dumb as hell.
Playtesters ought to be fired.
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Hearthstone introduce new Mechanic
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Gross!
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>>181893129
Even with all their busted cards Blood just isn't very good without the neutral engine. Aggro Blood can't curve top with Spawn at all, and a strong Control Blood list with him might feasibly pop up but so far the deck is dumpster trash.

Blood needs the help, but Neutral Blood doesn't.
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>>181893498
There are better counters than Roland, it's just the only option sword has to deal with it. Ultimately it doesn't matter, they can kill you before he comes out anyway, so you're better off racing.
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>>181893668
>>>/hsg/
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>>181893670
Looks like the kind of woman who would call herself "beautiful, powerful and cute to boot".
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>>181893668
What? They've never had lifesteal before?
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>>181893527
I'd agree with you if these cards were designed to be weak in aggressive decks but they aren't. If you make cards that are equally strong in aggressive and control decks, it's hard to pretend you're just surgically trying to boost control. I don't buy it.
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>>181892171
>>181892770
They need to remove Baphomets enhance and nuke his ability to fetch spawn alone. Every other deck has to sacrifice something to fetch their win condition, even Roach had to completely avoid 2pp followers before the goblin mage nerf and Sword couldn't run anything but Albert as a commander if they wanted to fetch only him for midrange during RoB.

Why should midrange blood have a reliable tutor for their finisher and also sacrifice nothing when it comes to deck-building? Reducing the consistency of being always able to pull spawn will help lower the winrate of the deck as well or force them to have to make real deck building decisions beyond slamming all the cancer into one deck.
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>>181893129
>The "there's no way they foresaw this" posters are full of shit.
Obviously. They said that they wanted to push Dragon/Shadow/Blood in the ToG interview, and they were right.

This time, they haven't said anything about WD besides muh neutrals and everyone is playing neutral in WD as expected. They know what they're doing. Anyone thinking otherwise is very naive or just shitposting.

In the next set, if you see a class with obvious OP cards, you can be certain that this class will be cancer, regardless of your card evaluation skills. Everyone freaked out about BKB, Sabreur, Emeralda and even Spawn, it's easy for everyone to see what will happen, really.
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>>181893878
this is not wc4, fuck off blizshit
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>There's at least SEVEN cards Cygames has to nerf to reign in neutral/blood
>Two of which are legendary
>They've never nerfed that many cards before

>Tavo
>Ferra
>Goblin Leader
>Big Knuckle Bruiser
>Sabreur
>Alice
>Spawn

Cygames won't be able to do it.
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I thought I was in trouble when I absolutely never drew any of my D-shifts during the game, but I was able to win a couple of turns later without needing them.
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>>181893949
sabreur is mostly fine, just remove the bane
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>>181893870
I agree with everything you said, but after RoB followed by Tempest, followed by this, I expect nothing from Cygames. Worst case scenario, they nerf nothing in a month. Best case scenario, they make some trivial nerf to a bronze so they can pretend they did something, but like the Mid Shadow nerf it has no major impact on the meta.
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>>181893949
Tove, Baphomet and BKB will likely be nerfed. Goblin Leader may be.
I doubt the rest will be.
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>>181893949
Do you unironically really mean to say you think all these deserve a nerf?
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>>181893878
Looks even lamer than the last one. They should replace whoever thinks of lame expansion names like that.
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>>181894115
>le trade for 3 cards silver follower
I always forget how ridiculous she is.
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>>181894115
Just make it conditional and she's already much more acceptable.
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>>181893706
stop backpedaling
you literally said that roland can't come out soon enough and i pointed out that roland will always be irrelevant since emeralda exists even with nerfed Baphomet
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>>181893949
Goblin Leader will definitely get hit, the Japs are salty as hell over that card. I'd expect Baphomet too because honestly he's just shit design.
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>>181893949
>>181894192
be reasonable
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*blocks your path*
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>>181894349
It just hasn't been my experience that Emeralda is a major factor in games. Most everyone is running neutral blood right now, which doesn't play her for the most part. You're reaching for some gotcha moment based on a hypothetical meta? Have fun I guess.
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>>181894351
Leader is only good if you follow up with Alice. He's shit when you are going second. Then again, you're shit when you go second.
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>>181894358
I am being reasonable, Tove and Baphomet absolutely need a nerf.
A BKB nerf would not surprise me either, but I can see it staying.
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>>181894560
Whether the cards deserve a nerf has nothing to do with whether they will actually get a nerf.
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>>181893870
There are a lot of similarities between OTK Roach in RoB and Neutral Blood. Both decks have solid early game while having ridiculous burst damage on turn 7. Spawn is a powerful card but Baphomet is the problem, there's no need to nerf Spawn to tone down that deck to an acceptable level.
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How does 2ch feel about this expansion?
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>>181894351
I legit don't get why Blood got Baphomet AND Bandersnatch. We probably haven't even seen the most disgusting variant of blood yet, since the neutral meta is too fast.

>>181894560
Tove has the same stat ratio as Cindarella. On a bronze. With rush. He's actually better than one of the better legendaries of the set. We can discount the neutral disadvantage because it just doesn't exist in practical terms. Anyone who thinks Tove is fine is fucking nuts.
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>>181894732
tove dies to a lot of 2pp removal
cindy doesn't
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Will Rowen ever impregnate his comrade's wife?
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>paly grimnir buffed by alice on board
>play feria
>evolve feria
>????
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>>181894871
Cindy is a 3 drop, not a 2 drop. The point was that if she was a 2 drop, she would be a 3/3. Without rush.
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>the current state of T2
At least I only had to play twice on this expac to get Taker of Two
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>>181894871
It's still the best 2 drop follower in the game, by a large margin.
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Well I finished my dailies in this account. Won 4 straight games with D-shift. Won the last one with the Sword enemy conceding on his 6th turn after I was able to answer everything without getting damaged at all. Feels great.
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>>181894358
that guy is a literal retard, he can't be resonable

>>181894969
but she is not a 2pp drop. guess why?
if she were a 2pp drop she would be made something sticky like snowwhite or something
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>Aegisbab drops turn 9 do nothing
>I drop turn 9 win the game

what a game
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>>181894871
Tove has Rush, and enough attack power to take down Grimnir. Cindy is played EXACTLY like a devil of vengeance, either on turn three or not at all (unless you're running some support cannon meme deck).
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>>181894732
Tove is bullshit in the meta and I think he should go down to 3/2 so you can shock him, but he might not be a big deal if other cards get nerfed.

If they hit something in the neutral package hard enough he might just fall out of meta due to the deck around him being weaker. Honestly though it'd probably take a lot for Neutral Aggro to look worse than Bats or Vengeance.
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>>181895089
don't reply to me
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>>181894972
part 2 because fuck cropping
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>>181894897
Rowen is an honorable man and he already has a family. He would never dare do such an immoral thing.
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>>181895106
>getting to turn 9
Anon has a time machine
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>>181894519
emeralda is insane in any blood deck, except maybe aggro
i lost countless of time because of emeralda removed my amulet/ward for spawn to deal lethal damage
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>>181895175
Control Sword vs Aegis Haven games do last that long.

Also, Ive gone to turn 9 against neutral blood several times.
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>>181895089
>be reasonable
>Neutral bloods counters are counters because they beat it consistently
>They're "counters" because they lose the least of any decks facing it

Neutral Blood needs hard nerfs.
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>>181895165
>Rowen
>arch memelord
>having morals
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>unpacked FOUR snow whites since I crafted her x3 on day 1
I shouldn't complain about vials but christ
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>>181895358
People who only play SV seem to have a really warped idea of what "counters" and "teching against" mean. It's like they've never played a card game where you can actually silver bullet against powerful meta decks and start having positive win ratios. Here people are happy if they dedicate their entire deck to beating Spawn and struggle to hit 50%.
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>>181895457
kys luckshitter
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>>181895457
That was Albert for me back in RoB.
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Tove is bullshit he could honestly be 3/1 and that'd be common level balanced card. The best change would probably be 3/2 and it has to gain the ability to attack every turn, not just once.
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Any shadow players piloting the ghost mansion variant? How do you suppose to mulligan with it? It just flops going second, at least for me.
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>>181895728
>It just flops going second
Everyone flops going second
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>>181895728
>going second
Found the problem
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>>181895145
yes, claiming that blood cards other than baphomet/spawn need nerf while goblin leader "maybe needs" a nerf is beyond retarded

their main nerf target cards should be baphomet and goblin leader/alice or something, maybe feria, especially if they don't touch leader. only then in a month or so, if it is not enough, they should even consider nerfing tove. simultaneous nerfs to baphomet, tove and leader will likely kill tove and neutral blood completely, if they nerf baphomet and tove not touching leader/alice/feria it means that neutral engine will remain oppressive and dominant for nearly every craft anyway, if they don't nerf baphomet but nerf neutral engine we will get only slightly less cancerous pure blood midrange with spawn etc etc
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>tfw got my shit slapped by Evolved Tsubaki + Arriet
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>>181895809
>>181895876
>supposedly favored against blood
>still loses to coinflip
So much for a counter.
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>>181895718
The appropriate nerfs for Tove is

3/2 no rush or 3/1 with rush.
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>>181895934
Even blood gets fucked when going second.

It's how this game is being played right now.
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>play sword
>go against no fun allowed spawn
>lose
>play aegis haven
>go against neutral sword
>lose

i wish lightning blast wasnt nerfed.
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>>181895728
I always put the amulet back in the deck and hope to draw into it around 5 or 6. it swings a board and lets you get in some very worthwhile chip damage but it's pretty dead unless you have a board to fuck around with. Your mulligan should look similar to how Midshadow has always looked otherwise.
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>>181895809
Haven, Rune and Forest are fine with going second.
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>>181895930
>Honestly implying BKB isn't absolutely fucking ridiculous

guys

what if

we made a priest of the cudgel that banished for free

AND

got the full +2/+2 from evolving

but it does have one downside in that it does two damage to you

pretty reasonable am i rite
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Going second is not as bad if you play T2.
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>>181896265
But it doesn't banish :~)
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My third Timmy (and the second animated) KILL ME
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>>181896265
But banishing is actually a big deal versus destroying in some situations.
I'd compare it instead with dragon warrior
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>>181896265
>but it does have one downside in that it does two damage to you
Remember when Blood had to run ambling wrath and flowers to force vengeance against enemies who left them in 11/12? Cygames just can't slow down the powercreep. I expect t4 kills next expansion.
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>>181894897
I want Isabelle to crush my testicles
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>>181896361
lmao
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>GM gets reset every expansion
What's the point again?
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>>181896440
In what situation in this meta is t4/5 banish really a big deal
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>>181895930
there's a lot of cards that just seem silly: goblin leader, actress and alice for the neutral engine are all just so much power creep.
Tove and Card Knights are also retarded cards that should be easy nerfs to make if they don't want to nerf anything else bc they don't break neutral but bring it more in line.
Spawn has too much toughness, its not afraid enough of mass removal bc its got such a big body. If you drop its toughness by 3 I think it gets a lot less "plan for me or die"
Baph is a complicated, how much should a tutor in SV cost question.
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When you look at all the cards that exist now, cards like Maid Leader being a 1/1 seems like complete bullshit.
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>>181896361
YOU'VE BEEN CHOSEN. YOU ARE THE HERO WHO WILL LEAD CONTROL SWORD INTO THE NEW ERA.
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>>181896265
I love how shitters complain about everysingle card.
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>>181896440
it was only relevant when Shadow was running around with Chimera and Attendant. Now it's pretty irrelevant in this meta.
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>>181896516
You get in GM and stop worrying about staying in the top.
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>>181896527
Yeah. Dragon summoner is a powercreeped maid. It's not fair
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>>181896523
They intentionally made the numbers on Spawn and other blood cards bullshit. Spawn could have had low attack unevolved and do extra effect damage to effectively do the same thing but be untutorable by Baphomet, but no. Likewise, Emeralda's 4 attack seems intentionally designed so you can run her with Spawn and still get 100% tutor rate on Spawn.
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>>181896706
Maid always gets an officer, Dragon Summoner has a 100% chance to draw another dragon summoner if any are left in the deck.
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>the devs refuse to support Control Sword at all

Still no Heal Commander or any real way to deal with aggressive decks aside from ward spam, which has almost never worked in this game. I wish Control Sword would get the same overtuning Blood got this meta.

It's sad how even with cards like Roland, C Sword dies like a little bitch to neutral and Spawn
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>>181896706
MAID DOESN'T WASTE YOUR TURN PULLING ITSELF. FUCKING DRAGON SUMMONER, I NEEDED THAT FORTE.
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>>181896265
judge of retribution?

>>181896706
it can't fetch your wincon like maid fetches albert though unless you play neutral dragon
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>>181896521
>>181896672
Well not now.
M-maybe someday.
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>>181895718
>>181895987
2/2 No attack restrictions. Gains rush when neutral comes into play.

A completely balanced 2-drop bronze with an extra conditional that isn't completely retarded.
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With free evolution cards and evolve synergy cards like snow, hound and odette I kinda wonder if Demonic Simulacrum will someday become cancer.
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>>181896832
>Likewise, Emeralda's 4 attack seems intentionally designed so you can run her with Spawn and still get 100% tutor rate on Spawn.
No. If you notice, all Blood cards that have storm at cost 7 only have 4 atk. They typically do not want to give Blood a storm card with high atk.
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>>181896521
It's a big deal when you get a good curve going first and force your opponent to evo trade on turn four only to plolp down BKB, essentiallywasting an opponents evo point.

Then they have to mop him up with either a spell or another Evo'd follower in which case you can drop baphomet on 5 and Evo trade with whatever they used to kill BKB. Or in the case of a spell removal just play the baphomet on turn 5.

BKB enables baphomet like the alice curve.
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>>181896265
And yet every other blood deck is still mediocre even with it and the best one the game's ever seen already runs 6-8 four drops and doesn't give a shit about evo turn value when its game winning cards are played on 4-5-6 anyway.
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28452 Need concede please.
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>>181896872
>Hero of Antiquity also has drain
There, I fixed c sword
And restored Hero's glorious bronze age beard to its proper place
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>>181897051
you are missing the point my man
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can we make the game fucking playable or what?
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>>181897185
No not allowed, Cygames can't nerf legendaries :^)
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>>181897185
It already is playable and quite polished in many areas. Whether it's balanced, fair or particularly fun is a different argument.
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>>181897237
the legendary cards are okay my little goy
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>>181897105
Only blood cards have drain.
I don't think timmy is a vampire
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>>181897335
Alice is pretty broken my man
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>>181897095
Thanks.
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>>181897354
Christ, I didn't notice how rare Drain was.
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>>181897335
fuck you kike
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>still playing kys blood in WD
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>>181897354
He's whatever he wants to be, guy doesn't even care about bane
He'll just use his enemy's skull as a sippycup and drink from it
that is, if a game ever lasted to turn 8
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>>181897043
not counting forte, you need at least 8pp to get 5 atk storm and 10pp to get 7 atk storm, the usual storm curve is like 2 atk for 2-3 pp, 3 atk for 5-6 pp, unconditional 4 atk storm costs 7pp, with a condition it can b as low as 4pp (dark gen)
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>KYS and Neutral Blood exist now
>I'm still running Bats
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>>181897523
>want full vials of legendary just because of vials not because of balance
You're the only jew here
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>>181897074
it's because neutral stuff is the strongest midrange right now and tutored spawn is a wincon for midrange
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>>181897664
err...not sure why you needed to add all that info
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So is forest's best deck neutral B&B?
What the hell do I play to win with such gimped craft?
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The suffering
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>>181897874
B&B hoses control decks and can put up a good fight against Blood with its access to bounce, heal and wards.
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>>181897874
Just play an old roach deck with Looking Glass + ETA and pray you draw removal for t2/3. B&B sucks.
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>>181897874
Forest suffers from the meta worse than anyone else, just wait for the first round of nerfs and the shift might make some forest deck usable.

Dragon is in a pretty bad spot too but I think that has less to do with meta and more to do with support.
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>>181894897
I would
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>play two Auerelia to try to counter Spawn (able to play two for 6pp total thanks to Gawain
>hungering horde times 2 clears both of them instantly

I'm glad they never once thought about balancing when they gave classes removal. Why would Hungering Horde do three damage AND potentially clear a board? Why does Scripture banish AND work on 3 defense or less? 2pp removal that does 3 damage should have absolutely no benefits outside of that.
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We in there boyz!!!! 3x Fairy Dragons, time to save the meta!!!!
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>>181897504
Yup, only 5 followers with drain, 4 of which are conditional and a spell.
Seems like they forgot about that mechanic
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>>181897824
His point is that Storm damage is balanced around PP cost and text across all the classes. Some break the rule because they're class-defining cards like Forte/Albert/Dark Gen.
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>>181897504
>>181898076
To be fair, Lifesteal is a pretty strong thing with evolves existing.
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>>181898076
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>>181898041
>ptp forest is back
HIP HIP
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>>181898230
Wrong bug, buddy.
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>>181896936
Even then, it can fucking fetch itself which is a retarded oversight. It should have been full 2/2 stats if they were gonna do that.
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>>181898076
>>181898230
Whoops, that's the wrong bug
>>181898349
hehe
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>>181886914
Sorry it didn't work out. I'm sure it would have a lot more players during the weekend.
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>couldn't pull a single animated spider imp during the 3 months of totg
>already have a full animated set of tsundere demon
Ok...
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mummy please hold me
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Spawn and Oz set even more retarded standatds for legos where they have all upsides and no downsides. At least Albert, Bahamut and Daria required some draws and board control of sorts. These shit cards are retarded.
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>>181899039
>Tsubaki
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>>181899121
>he doesn't know
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It's not really fair, is it?
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>>181898998
>actually had 3 yurius and 3 imp
Too bad they are not meta.
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>>181899103
>Oz
>no downsides
>Albert
>downside
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>>181899103
>comparing oz to spawn
?
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>>181899121
The only good sword decks are running 3x Tsubaki and 3x Arriet.
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>>181898132
Who's point? I was this guy >>181897043
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>>181899103
>complaining about oz
if there was a rank below beginner, you'd fit right in there
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>this is a losing position in this cancer meta


D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D
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>>181899414
ISN'T IT FUNNY?
YOU DRAGON PLAYERS ALL LAUGHED AT US WHILE YOU RAMPED UP.
YOU'RE NOT LAUGHING NOW ARE YOU?
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>>181899414
Outskilled
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>>181899414
You deserve it for last expansion, faggot. Now Blood has a way to deal with all your faggot healing.
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>>181899414
please be nice to tanaka, he has a train to catch
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>>181899414
Ramp faster cuck.
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>>181899374
>arriet
It's like you don't want big ikuzos
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>>181899039
are there any new frog decks with neutral engine? slacker and whitecat buff non-neutrals after all
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>>181899414
>olivia
anon you don't need her if your not gonna live long enough to even play her
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>>181899414
You deserve it, dragoncuck.
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>>181899308
>literally get all benefits upfront and it's up for your opponent to counter or get fucked
>>
>start 1st
>shit hand into mulliganed shit hand
>start 2nd
>lose
xddd
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>>181899262
I'm starting to love this Neutral Shadow meme
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>>181900060
t. blood/shadow/swordnigger
>>
92184

Need a quick concede, thanks!
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>on-curve neutrals are faster than on-curve vengeance blood
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>>181900265
This is the real reason neutral needs to be nerfed. Not the win rates, no one except for Neutral Blood is even doing that well, but because there's no fucking reason to run any non-neutral aggro.
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>dragoncraft gets 1 (one) neutral synergy card
>game is now neutralverse pirate 2: yeti stats edition
Bravo Cyfags
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>>181900227

Thanks Vampy-chan!
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>>181900117
same pal
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>>181899587
>blood was bad against Dragon
Not even a week in and the historical revisionism of the eternal shadow jew has descended upon bloodniggers.

Remember to never greet bloodniggers. Remember to always spam emote x3 when you deliver lethal while they play their turn 5 do nothing thinking they auto-win on turn 7.
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>>181900265
No shit, vengeance was delayed storm aggro like Storm Haven. The deck always folded to regular aggro, it's just that Shadow was the only aggro last expansion when now it's everyone.
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i just want a viable non-neutral aggro blood
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Are there non meme decks that don't run x3 Alice?
Asking for a friend
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>>181900584
>>>/pol/
>>>/out/
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>>181900897
Roach, some rune, some haven
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>>181900897
something haven - storm, elana, aegis
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So what craft has more than 50% going second? Tired of autolosing my games.
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>>181900929
kek
>>181900998
>forestcraft
>runecraft
>non meme decks
wew lad
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>>181900897
Dirty levi
Dshit
Elana
Garuda
Aegis?
Wallet/Grinder dragon (lel)
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>>181900929
>t. shadowkike
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These games are for ToG, Rowen.
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>>181901152
>Wallet/Grinder dragon (lel)
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>>181901237
>for ToG
>shadownigger
excuse me
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Roll for this
93-99 and 00 is a reroll
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>>181901221
>>181901120
>DA JOOS DID EVERYTHING
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summer skins when???
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Anyone else thinking of uninstalling this game? I truly think this is the absolute worst meta in this game or Hearthstone, and one of the worst expansions to anything I have ever played. I just lost a match as Nep because I cannot do anything against Spawn. They tutor Spawn with zero worry about losing because Control decks have to fill themselves with removal. I have 10hp and lost while Khawy was on board because of Scarlet -> Evolved Spawn. There is nearly no counterplay to this card and this is in a game where healing is still a luxury for classes outside of Haven and Dragon.

Either you go Blood, Neutral, or Haven. There is nothing else here. The first four turns in every match play out exactly the same regardless of class now, and the difference between win rates for going first and second are at some of the worst they have been in a long time. It is clear that the devs have learned absolutely nothing in the time this game has been a thing. Their greed is also becoming more and more apparent.

>print overpowered legendaries that you need two or three of in all decks of that class
>never nerf these legendaries to make sure people don't get vials back
>always roundabout nerf to provide the smallest return value possible
>continuous powercreep
>League of Legends styled take turns balancing where every class gets a chance to have over 60% win rate for one month at the very least
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>>181901332
Just because I have to do my Shadow dailies, doesn't mean I was a Shadownigger back in ToG
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>>181901370
Tldr
>>
>shadowkikes
>shadowniggers
>holocaust jokes and denial
>blaming it all on the usual white supremacist and stormfront scapegoats
I never realized it before but come to think of it, /svg/ is probably full of /pol/acks, huh?
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>>181901370
Go ahead and uninstall it. If you're no longer enjoying a video game why bother wasting your time playing it? This is true for all video games.
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>>181901368
what do isabelles armpits smell like
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>>181901360
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>>181901370
>neutral
everyone has that Except me
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>>181901370
>League of Legends styled take turns balancing where every class gets a chance to have over 60% win rate for one month at the very least

if we believe that old comic it's blizzard's way
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>>181901584
hello sunken-cost man! how much money have you paid for crystals?
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>>181901370
This is the first time after an expansion that I've lost desire to play so quickly. I might just tick on the single-player missions and wait until the end of the month to see if they make any meaningful changes.

Until then, ranked is just repetitive and boring. Every game feels like it plays out exactly the same.
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>>181901630
like pure honey
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>>181901370
I already have. Don't really care for dailies. If they show that they actually give a shit about their game then I might come back, though it'll take a lot of nerfing for that to happen.
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>go first
>win
OUT
FUCKING
PLAYED
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>>181901875
What? I didn't tell him to keep playing. The fuck are you replying to me for?
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>>181901849
That is Blizzards way. It's also the way of some MMO dev who kept balancing classes based on what he was playing at the time a la taking turns.

I like Valve's way.
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>>181901925
doesnt that kill you?
>>
Remenber that WD expansion won't change dragon and shadow tier
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>play control
>they play spawn
>cant remove it
>take 16 damage next turn
>now Alucard or another Spawn are instant wins
>if I put them at 10 or below, they get another 4 attack Storm that also functions as hard removal that can stop even wards
>can do 2 damage to face at any time too
>can constantly pump out huge waves of tokens to make sure you can never take your turn
>best answer is Rune exclusive
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>>181901370
Even Nep struggles against Spawn? I would have imaged Kiwi to be a good defense, but I suppose he comes out around the same time and he has a tutor plus a tutor for his tutor.
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>post yfw Spawn gets nerfed to 4atk instead of bapho losing his enhance
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>>181902158
That's a good thing, dumbass. The more viable decktypes we have, the better.
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>>181902247
But becomes 4 pp.
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>>181902175
He's shit against Spawn. You HAVE to have him on Turn 7 AND go first if you want it to help you, but even then you take the damage from Spawn first and then get healed. This means if you are at 8 or below health you lose automatically, and that's ignoring the other ways Blood can do damage to you. Also, Khawy being on the field enables evolve Spawn as do cards like Morde.

So long as you play followers, you will get shat on by Spawn. You would need to be a OTK based deck like Dshift, but of course that suffers from being destroyed by the early game Neutral Blood has.

Also Death's Breath loses like a bitch to Hungering Horde. They have no reason to play it for anything else so their chances of having it by turn six are pretty high, assuming you managed to get six shadows AND draw death's breath by then.
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>go 2nd
>lose
>opponent draws Baphomet before turn 5
>lose
wew
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>played all day
>still at the same mp because of bloodfags and me bricking on dirt and maybe on my unoptimized dragon list
>>181902158
>Won't change dragon
that seems fair
>shadow
anon they nerfed the chicken
>>
>this is my first ranked season
I hit C1 and have been on a 7 game loosing streak did I top out already? All I see is nuetral spam and spawn of the abyss
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>>181902653
I'm stuck around that same area too. I fluctuate between needing 3000 and needing 2000 to level up off of AA3. Once you get to AA3 it becomes exclusively Blood and that matchup is a coinflip no matter what you are running
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>>181902778
>tryhards in C1
ayyyy lmao this game is ded
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>Kripp will be playing Shadowverse today
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>>181902896
I made a re-roll account because I was tired of shadow and dragon in master last expansion. The same fucking decks were already being played as early as D rank.
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>>181902896
That has always been a thing.
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>>181903048

at one in the fucking morning

and boring ass control blood at that

no thanks
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>they nerf blood
>everyone just moves onto Neutral Sword and Haven
>these decks are just as oppressive
>they just so happen to not do well against Blood
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>>181903048
Epic dude!! Hes so cool and funny XDDD Cant wait to watch him again Kappa LOL xD
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>>181903048
Fuck off back to /hsg/
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>>181902780
theres specific times where it's all bloods and a couple of hours of memeing. in about 4 hours it's going to be all blood for me
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>>181903135
I joined at RoB launch and I curbstomped exclusively nometa tards till at least A rank with storm haven. I had 30 game streaks at times.
>>
I have 1000 gold, which packs should I aim for?

I like to play Bloodcraft since it's the first class I built a 100% custom deck for but I'm willing to try fun stuff.
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>>181903504
wonderland is the only pack that matters now
try to pull or craft x3 alice
>>
The conditionals for Neutral cards need to be nerfed. Just look at Hecter. Compare how hard it can be to utilize things like Vengeance versus Hecter.

>5pp 4/4 ward is not bad
>deal 3 damage to any enemy EVEN face

Why? You can say the same thing for Alice, Feria, Tove, Cinderella, etc.. They created these cards to work together and in doing so made a deck archetype far superior to what the base classes could ever hope to achieve.
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>>181903526
I can't fucking wait for the new leaders
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>>181903526
When did that deck-specific leader thing happen anyway? I found it by accident and I had been waiting for it for ages.
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>take 2
>shit draft
>goes first for 5 game
>enemy curve
just end me
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>>181903303
>these decks are just as oppressive
No, they aren't.
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>>181903526
Being able to rearrange decks is nice. I put my blood deck right in the middle.
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>>181897987
this desu
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>>181903662
10 days ago.
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>>181903662
came with the WD Patch
>>
Why does the ingame tutorial point the player towards forestcraft? I have seen many hopeless noobs in shitter ranks trying to make basic and standard forest cards work.

Wouldn't they retain more noobs if they pointed them toward shadow, dragon, or haven initially? They are far easier to pilot in comparison.
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>>181903869
Yeah, this is pretty cool for keeping shit organized. I personally like keeping all my samecraft stuff together so this allowed me to skip the deletion process.
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>>181903443
not him but i don't even play hs and i still like him because it's hard to find good sv streamers when subhumans like envybaer exist
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>>181904059
Because Arisa is the protagonist.
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>>181904059
because shes qt
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>>181904140
Arisa pleases old men for arrows.
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>still no Roland emblem
How do I deal with this, swordbros?
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>>181903303
>neutral Sword gets countered by Haven and Rune and only slightly better against other decks
>people might actually be able to play decks that counter Aegis Haven if Blood gets nerfed

The only problem is the second part because all of Haven's counters still struggle against the neutral unga bunga garbage. Maybe they should have not catered to unga bunga aggro babies.
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>make a deck specifically designed to deal with spawn blood
>queue up into ranked
>up against haven

It is Dshift all over again. Fuck this game.
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>>181904395
tfw pulled 2 rolands but nogawains
can't even make commander memes
feels bad man
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Haha that's cute, Erika.
Did you really think Ramp Dragon can't deal with your neutral bullshit?
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>>181903709
>goes second
>win
what a surprise
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>go 2nd
>win
???
>>
give saha ramp list pls
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>>181904436
>specifically designed to deal with spawn blood
how? I'd like to win some games desu senpai, I get 90% spawnfags
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>>181904436
>Play Control Sword to counter neutral blood
>queue up into ranked
>up against haven
>win because albert > aegis

just git gud my dude
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>>181904490
>lighting blast
um rowen?
>>
>>181904490
>lightning blast
Let it go man
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>>181903602
but I don't wanna be a neutralfag
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>>181904417
>The only problem is the second part because all of Haven's counters still struggle against the neutral unga bunga garbage
How is that a problem? It's the way the Control-Aggro-Combo relation is supposed to work.
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>>181904490
That lightning blast really should be an Odin or lance my dude, you're playing ramp.
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>>181904663
>>181904690
It's just for the times when I have to banish something
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>>181904436
>bad match ups exist
Wow dude.
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>>181904839
why not just use odin
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>>181904617
Nothing changed since TotG.
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>>181904562
HOLY FUCK WHY DOES THIS NIGGER HAVE AMBUSH
IS 8 6/7 LAST WORD: DEAL 6 NOT GOOD ENOUGH
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>181904761
It's a problem when one of the groups is so strong that it leaves the other completely unplayable. They actually did create one of the strongest combo cards ever this expansion with Queen of the Dread Sea. Good luck getting to that turn 10 though.

It doesn't matter though. Ever expansion the best deck is always some cancer "forced" midrange/tempo deck that was given a bunch of retarded overpowered cards.
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>>181904752
Neutral's kinda fun.
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>>181903395
I know this post is sarcastic but it reminds me just how much I hate streamer, twitch and lets-play culture.
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>>181903769
They really are though. In return for throwing away Turn 5 and 6 with Blood, decks like Sword just keep building stronger boards while doing huge damage every turn. They then finish it off with Albert on Turn 9 instead of Blood doing it with Spawn on Turn 7 and 8. They aren't literally as oppressive, but are extremely close. Nerfing Spawn won't change anything. All the people who were using it will just move to the other Neutral Aggro decks.
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>>181904821
>>181904941
You can't Odin and Rahab/Scyther/Grimnir on the same turn.
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>>181904490
Just evo Albert bro
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>rank #2 in last season switched to blood to climb to GM
Haha, this meta is fucked up.
>>
>>181905202
>playing rahab on turn 10
>playing grimnir without enhance on turn 9-10
I'll give you scyther senpai
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>>181881347
The number of times I've had a shadownigger dead to rights and you turned up earns you no apologies. BACK IN YOUR HOLE YOU HOLE FILLED CORPSE.
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>>181905296
>the guy who spammed a broken deck last season is doing it again
So?
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>>181881347
Still retardedly good. Just stuck in a craft that got shafted in terms of getting any support this expac.
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>>181904653
Control Sword stands no chance against Neutral Blood. I'd love to see your decklist if you're magically doing well against taking eight damage nukes for free
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>>181905296
play to win, man. if spamming a top tier deck gets you up the ranks and ranking is all you care about, then you do so.
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>he still plays shadowverse
>>
>keep wanting to craft Rune to deal with Spawn
>keep remembering that transforming spawn does nothing to stop you from taking eight immediate damage when it evolves in the first place
>keep remembering that you are dealing with an aggro deck with 4 attack Storm cards for extra reach, so even taking 8 damage is fatal
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>>181905201
I've had 0 problems dealing with anything Neutral that wasn't Neutral Blood in the last few days. Regardless of how inaccurate Shadowlog/Syadoreco may be, overpowered decks always show absurd stats on those websites, and you can clearly see that, besides Neutral Blood, everything is pretty much fine.
Other Neutral decks are just good, they aren't oppressive or broken. This is all just the Aggro Blood syndrome, you just can't see it clearly yet because Neutral Blood infested the ladder and most people don't bother with other Neutral decks anymore.
Besides, it's obvious that Goblin Leader is getting nerfed as well. When there is a big disparity between going first and going second Cygames always hits something that can be blamed for it, like it happened with Catacomb, Reaper and Piercing Rune.
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>>181906038
You can win against other decks because they don't have the absolute bullshit that is spawn.
Best part is that they can't do anything to nerf it.
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>supposed list that got to GM in this meta
>gave it a try
>bricking with multiple 7PPs
>drawing into LW followers but no activators
How do they do it?
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>>181905326
Sometimes you're in a sticky situation where putting down a ward helps
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>>181905704
You need to drop Roland in response to Spawn and have taken no damage by the time you do it. It's pretty straightforward going first, but you need Gawain for when you go second.
The issue is that you lose against every Haven deck.
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>>181906317
Lion would have been a good card in last meta, but when everything has more than 1 Attack, he's a joke.
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question for those who have played HS (as i have never played HS), with regards to the disparity of the winrate between going first versus going second, how much of a role has the coin played in terms of evening the playing field between the first and second player? would SV benefit from having a coin of its own for player 2?
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>>181906342
see
>>181899414
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>>181906304
Premium GM luck.
I've tried it for a couple of games and lost all of them because Kamura didn't come out for spawn.
The one he did had the bloodfag :thinking:
for a long time though
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>>181906343
That's a big if since dropping Maid Leader on turn 2 loses you the match. Also, Emeralda can just destroy your amulet. With no way to heal you will always lose the war of attrition against Spawn Blood. Just by having two Alucard, two Emeralda, and two Spawn, Blood has insane reach. If that wasn't enough, they also have three Grimnir. That's so much unavoidable damage.

I would love to see your list. I have been unable to win a single match as Control Sword in this meta. There is no good reactive answer to Neutral decks except what Haven has and a huge part of that lies in how strong Snow White and Tribunal are
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>>181906304
I was using this deck a while ago. Got me a lot of wins cause I had a good low curve and drew too many damn cards.
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>>181905704
>taking eight damage nukes for free
>what is Roland
Nothing consistently beats Neutral Blood, but you haven't played the deck at all if you think CSword can't even stand a chance against it.
>muh Emeralda
You can only kill Roland or Durandal. Regardless of what you kill, the Spawn damage is being reduced. Frontguard also reduces the damage in a similar way. Besides, that's also assuming that you only had 1 Ward in play when they did nothing turns 5 and 6, what isn't that likely. When they don't have Emeralda, turn 6-7 Roland is often an easy win.
The only thing that makes Control Sword not an effective counter to Spawn Blood is the fact that it still has no fucking way to heal itself.
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>>181906304
You're just shit anon.
Skilled players draw just what they need.
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>>181899414
Where is your wallet god now, Dragon?
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>>181906472
You can't compare the games. Statlines are different, evolve exists, etc. You'll get further just analyzing 1st/2nd in Shadowverse alone than trying to look at HS.
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How important are nightfall mages in dirt burn?
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>Really want to climb into GM
>But nerf is still month away.
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>>181906317
whats the difference
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>>181906746
>he thinks there will be any nerfs
>he genuinely believes KMR gives a single shit
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>>181906317
>powercreeping a card that was never played with a card that still won't be played
What is even the point of making cards like this?

>>181906450
>does nothing against Dragon
>dies to two Eachtar Zombies like any other 6pp follower
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>>181906627
Literally every GM player I've played has drawn perfectly. It's fucking incredible.
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>>181906612
If they destroy durandal then you take a whopping 6-8 damage and then have to deal with killing Spawn itself. Meanwhile, the opponent is just going to drop another Spawn, Alucards, or Grim. You will not win under this situation. The only time I could see someone winning is if the Blood player isn't smart. A smart Blood player will recognize an overly defensive deck and just save their evolves for immediate Spawn evolve trades, while stalling with token spam.

Come Turn 9 and 10 you're suddenly facing insane reach without even realizing it. Meanwhile your healless deck just gets shat on because your wards don't actually do anything but enable something for Spawn to hit.

Seriously show me the list. I would love to see a Control Sword list that wins even 20% of the time against Spawn. I love Nep and I love Control Sword, but Spawn has killed any enjoyment this game has ever brought me. Aggro loses to it like a bitch and so does Control.
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>>181906472
Coin+draw on its own is really not enough, which is why the disparity of first vs second is a lot fucking worse in hs.
It's especially bad in aggro metas like pirates.
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>>181906669
I like her, she's gotten me a lot of clutch victories against Blood because they ironically can't deal with Ambush cards.
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>>181906891
It's because they bought a lot of crystals :^)
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>>181906483
Obviously it won't always work
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>>181907048
I'd say Frog is actually a decent response to Blood since they can't outrace you if they miss a turn/you stall long enough for cyclone blade. It's fucking unplayable because there's so much Haven on the ladder though
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>>181906472
You don't need to buff going second. The only thing that needs to be done is Cygames stopping printing cards that create immense tempo before turn 4.
Before ToG, nobody wanted to go first. No changes were made, and everyone started wanting to go first in ToG. Why? Because going second against Orthrus, Catacomb and Reaper was auto-lose.
The same shit happened in WD. They made cards like Goblin Leader and Alice, that are plain broken going first, but also shit like Spawn, whose main counters come out on turn 7, which is exactly the moment he can burst you for 16 when going first.
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OZ IS THE BEST GIRL
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>>181906660
fair enough, i suppose. considering that this game was touted as an HS clone, i thought that taking a look at that game would have given some inkling of what they're doing to address the 1st/2nd issue that seems to be common in CCGs.
i asked in the first place because there were a few anons in previous threads that pointed out that the current expansion for HS (un'goro, iirc) was probably the most balanced for the state of that game with the 1st/2nd difference in winrate being fairly close. i asked if there was a site that can provide the data, but wasn't able to get a response for that.
the evolve mechanic was meant to address that issue here in this game, but considering how absurdly strong it is to go first in this game despite having only 2 evo points seems to suggest that the mechanic isn't helping much.
>>181906951
>>181907276
thanks for the responses. i think that it's giving me a clearer understanding of why going first seems to be absurdly strong in this meta now.
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>>181904490
>momposting a bahamut play
Poor Rowen getting desperate
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>>181896872
They just need to powecreep Frontguard General.

>7 pp 4/6. Ward. Cannot be targeted by spells or effects. Restore X health to your leader for every X of damage done to this follower.
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>>181907281
>girl
anon I..
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>>181907281
uketotte
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>>181907265
The implication is that you're going to die before turn 10 against blood famalam, it's a moot point

run neither, use humpty instead
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>>181906932
Try my list yourself then. My experience with the deck is far from what you describe.
Of course I am not saying that it hard counters Blood, repeating myself, nothing does. However, I win slightly more games than I lose against the deck, which is enough for me.
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>>181907978
Sword doesn't need more wards. It needs healing.
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Should I take out 2 D.strikes for 1 more nightfall and red hot ritual?
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Can someone explain to me how Beauty and the Beast is balanced? At least Spawn has some form of counter play. If I'm control and this card goes down, isn't it just Aegis but three turns earlier? No I can't evolve kill a 9/10 on fucking Turn 6
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>>181907867
>Not realizing it wasn't about the Bahamut play but everything before it because I would have been dead before I was able to put down Bahamut.
Retard
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>9/10 beauty and the beast
>next turn 11 damage roach combo

I fucking hate this meta.
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>>181908238
wrong image
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>>181907281
>girl
also i discovered theres a daily challenge for sv too
>https://twitter.com/hashtag/%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%89%E3%83%90%E7%89%88%E6%B7%B1%E5%A4%9C%E3%81%AE%E7%9C%9F%E5%89%A3%E3%81%8A%E7%B5%B5%E6%8F%8F%E3%81%8D60%E5%88%86%E4%B8%80%E6%9C%AC%E5%8B%9D%E8%B2%A0
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>>181908128
>>181907978
Every expansion I feel more and more that they will never give heal to Sword, and it fucking pisses me off. They want CSword to be THE Ward Control deck, but, at the same time, they keep making Wards more and more obsolete with shit like Muta Bolt, Grimnir, Spawn and Bahamut.
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>>181908276
The conditional effect is a lot harder than you realize.
Most of the time you have to evo B&B to ramp it into something. It's not immune to transformations, banish or follower damage unlike Aegis. Also forest doesn't have 37 removal cards like Haven to support it.
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>>181908276
what deck are you playing
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>there was a time where the game was slow enough for control blood to run Satan as a win condition, and control in general could run Odin and some wards to deal with a lot of the win conditions in the game

Truly this game has gone downhill. There are never times anymore where you actually think about your possible plays.
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I WISH CYGAMES FORGOT ABOUT ELANA
FUG
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>>181908402
Forest isn't even meta.
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>>181908645
In a different meta, Tenko would be insane or whatever her name is. Great stats and her effect is ridiculously strong when paired with Aria
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>>181908623
Pretty much. I stopped playing Eternal and TESL because Shadowverse had a bigger playerbase and more generous business model. I'm now back to TESL because at least you can actually play mid-range and control decks there.
Shadowverse is just a bad joke at this point.
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>>181908308
All I see are mediocre plays, wanker
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>>181908402
just duckmill him bro
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>tfw desire to grind to GM is fading
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>>181908507
How THE FUCK is three neutral cards in hand hard to achieve for Forest of all classes?

>>181908612
Haven. The match is immediately over. It's like when they used to Ancient Elf on Turn 3 against certain classes and there was literally no answer to it
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>>181908809
All I see is someone who's mildly jealous he can't pull-off the same plays
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>>181908958
Just put a copy of acolyte's light in your deck. You won't see more than one forest a day so I wouldn't really lose sleep over the loss.
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Its been 1 week already, where are my nerfs!!!
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DELETE HEALING
YOU SHOULD BE DEAD ALREADY
FOR FUCK SAKES
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>>181908507
>conditional effect is hard
>with fairy generators and into the the looking glass
i not saying B&B decks are good but come on man
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>>181908958
>Haven.
>"The match is immediately over. It's like when they used to Ancient Elf on Turn 3"
Just Grimnir and Tribunal next bro. Haven has THE best answer to turn 3 Ancient Elf. Just banish the fairies if you're that scared of Ancient Elf.
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>>181908623
It's not even a matter of the game being fast, but of them being garbage at making Control good.
>keep giving CSword wards when they desperately need healing
>give CSword a dumb timmy card that doesn't even synergize with the shit they were pushing just one expansion before it
>never give CBlood a wincon or good cards
>when they finally give Blood those cards, they end up working better in a Neutral Midrange deck
>had the opportunity to make Control Forest playable, but decide to listen to Timmy and turn Anomaly back into a meme
The only class with a true Control deck left, that can actually tech against the meta and stop Aggro, is Haven, since they've almost given up on Nep as well, and Dragon's hard counter is fast Aggro.
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>>181908402
>not using hamsa as a tech against b&b
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>>181909210
t. Unga
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>>181907281
I want Oz to transform me into a snowman then melt me with a Crimson Sorcery.
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Guys, why does Snowfield Warrior have 4 voice lines in his unevolved form instead of the usual 3.
Does he have a special interaction with something?
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>>181909326
>It's not even a matter of the game being fast
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>>181909024
You literally just posted something that happened every other game against dragon in TotG, how new are you?
>I ramped thrice and the opponent didn't have hard removal
Yeah real skillful
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>>181909512
It's for his skill.
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>>181909559
>no arguments
How is it possible that this image is ALWAYS posted alongside absolute shit content? Discord?
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>>181909571
Haha I knew it! Stay butthurt XD
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Ia there any way to play this game without Alice package? Mirrors and pretty mich every game are decided whoever is running the Neutral early game deck or not. Despite Rune and shitty Elana, is there even another viable deck to play? I refuse to craft Alice.
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>>181909302
I was talking about back during DE. Ancient Elf on Turn 3 against Haven used to be gg in that meta
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>>181909829
Aegis and Storm Haven.
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>>181909829
>I refuse to craft Alice.

These next three months are going to be very fun, I can assure you.
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>>181909326
>>give CSword a dumb timmy card that doesn't even synergize with the shit they were pushing just one expansion before it
This so much. One thing YGO has over shadowverse is that they actually expand upon ideas from past sets and make literally who cards viable. Cygames seems to have amnesia regarding playstyles they tried to push in past sets.
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>>181909868
>Aegis
>surviving Alice, Sword and Spawn
>>
I am bored

Any drawrequest you shitters have?
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>>181909829
Haven, but it is really expensive these days because of all the golds you need not to mention three Snow White's and likely one or two Aegis as well
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>tfw teching in rite of exorcism into my dirt deck was the best thing I've done in a while
Fuck your grimnirs, fuck your toves.
Who am I kidding It was just my turn to finally draw well and for my opponents to brick
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>>181909829
See it this way: guaranteed easy daily wins for all the classes you don't care about
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>>181910007
There's a lot of cards that would benefit just from being a Commander instead of an Officer.
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>>181910064
Aegis Haven is the closest thing to a Spawn counter we currently have, you fucking D rank.
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>>181910109
Attendent of Night telling Baphomet that he's going to tell on him to which Baphomet says he's already told on him, that would be funny.
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>>181910007
Sometimes they do a good job. In particular, what they did to Blood last meta was amazing. KYS Blood was literally how they intended that class to function but had never been able to make work. It wasn't broken strong and enabled cards like fucking Soul Dealer to be used. SOUL FUCKING DEALER. He used to be one of the joke cards alongside Skullfane
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>>181909829
Burn Rune
Aegis Haven
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>>181910257
Im sorry I did not understand that
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>>181910064
Aegis is the only counter to Spawn right now. It has a ton of heal and then it has Tribunal and Themis to deal with Spawn. Unlike Rune who still loses due to Spawn evolve, Haven can outheal that. Also, Snow White is one of the only good answers to the early game Neutral curve in the entire game.
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>>181910280
airjammer is still retarded
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>>181910109
seraph getting her stone face hotglued on by multiple people, some body writing would be fine too
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>>181910352
Fine, try drawing a ding-dong who's miserable because she's lost her bells.
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>>181910206
>D rank
If only, I'd hurt less. Post Haven dicks, then
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>>181910109
Arisa leading the other leaders to fight against cygames, French revolution style.
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>>181910486
fuck you
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>>181910280
I have 3 Marys, 3 Matriarchs, 3 Queen Vamps. I literally cannot win with the class unless I have legendaries from the new set. This level of power creep is not acceptable for a game with new sets every 4 months.
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>>181909583
Ohhh...ok! Thanks
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>https://twitter.com/16NaML/status/882962719170715648
>lvl 79
so im guessing its "good" enough to reach gm then
>>181910109
smug oz that managed to draw spells but gets killed by dod next turn
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>>181910445
Crafting 2 copies of a 1/2 leggo just to get crushed really doesn't seem appealing. The thing with spawn is that they just need to go face early game and attack/get killed with evolved spawn for 8 damage lethal (or not) anything else past turn 6 will be just storm from Alucard or burn damage to finish off. I get the feeling that Aegis is still too slow.
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>>181910594
They should really either slow down on releasing sets or just rethink the way they make them. I think that's what they did with this set which is why it focused on a single style of play. I'm afraid if the next meta focuses on a Control style of play with similar issues coming out of it.

But yeah I have everything Control Blood related. He doesn't stream this game anymore, but when I first got this game I would watch every stream a dude called TorNis would do. He mained Control Blood up until A rank and I loved watching that deck. I thought it was so fascinating and it felt like a deck designed solely for me. I always crafted everything for that class and it remains my most played.

I will always hate that they just stopped trying to support its cards. Instead they printed new ones. It is insane how much powercreep Dragon and Blood have in their cards because the devs did not want to bother trying to make those old cards work. It saddens me looking at cards like Temptress, Azazel, Queen, Bloody Mary, etc.. and realizing they will probably never see any real play again. Same with Dire Bond, Matriarch, and so many others.

The tempo and style of old school Control Blood cannot be replicated anymore in this game. The game is so fast. Even when it isn't fast, it is fast. For example, though you havent lost, as Blood you lost against Dragon by turn three or four already due to ramping disadvantage. Once Bahamut was printed, the careful and calculated style of Blood vanished. Control has not been the same ever since.
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Need a win 29779
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>>181910725
What decklist were they running? From what I can tell they were using Blood most of the time anyway
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>>181910943
just ward, heal, remove their shit and build your board on the same turn bruh
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>>181911002
>slow down on expansion

So you want 6 months of WD instead of 3?
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>>181910178
I would feel terrible bad losing mirrors just because I didn't get the perfect curve. Going 2nd every time is already hell enough.
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Continue fighting and memes in the new thread guys: >>181911125

Continue fighting and memes in the new thread guys: >>181911125

Continue fighting and memes in the new thread guys: >>181911125
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