/scg/edg/ Star Elite: Citizen Dangerous General #173

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>>180750309

Are they going to be at the gamescom 2017?

>>180751462
maybe

>CIG has taken out a massive loan because they're out of money and desperate to keep stringing this along

>CIG has taken out a smaller loan but their books are so bad that the bank has required them to tie everything to it as collateral

Pick one.

Guys, I just took a loan against all my worldly possessions.

This proves, beyond a doubt, that I don't need any money.

Other financial geniuses ITT will back me up on this.

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>>180753246

>>180753514
it was fukin nothing.

Banks are falling over themselves to lend money to Chris Roberts at an interest rate well below the rate of inflation. This is a real thing that is happening.

Thanks for clearing that up, not stupid as fuck Reddit person.

Why is this shit so slow

>>180755189
Why would a bank loan money at below the inflation rate?

>>180752934
Neither. CIG took out a loan to pay for the massive Amazon bill that's incoming. They aren't going to pay that out of pocket any more than CR would make the game with his own money. He could have paid for the smaller original SC out of his own pocket, but used other people's money instead.
Ever wonder why?
>>180756126
Because the bank is getting it for half the rate from London's central bank then almost doubling it with CIG. CIG is almost double the return from bonds for the bank.

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>CIG is practicing usury
I disavow

>>180756920
Well, that's kinda boring.

Anyone else have something fun to talk about then?

>>180756920
I fucking knew he had something to do with it.

They are taking a short against the future bill when pounds will be much cheaper by then. Thanks Brexit.

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>>180753514
>Man who makes a living off SC hype says that CIG is not in trouble

>>180757048
>Anyone else have something fun to talk about then?
Waiting for 3.0 :^)

>>180757048
>Anyone else have something fun to talk about then?

No not really.
August planned release for 3.0, which will be a stripped down shitty version of what was originally promised as the patch to wait for

dead game

>>180757860
>>180756920

>>180758042
Yes, thats perfectly reasonable. Just saying shouldn't give a shit about what a car salesman says about a car.

Been checking plebbit / forums, it's comfy to see some of the pvpers who got caught out it's the engineering exploits having their modules reset

>>180757160
They are taking precautions for when british economy bombs by gambling """"everything""" on whether Britain offers the tax refund on time?

>>180758334
>whether Britain offers the tax refund on time
it's fiat money, the government would never default. The currency might be worthless by then, but that's the bank's problem.

>>180758334
Being concerned because they took out a sizable loan for no apparent reason and speculating upon it is one thing.

Being straight up fuckin' illiterate is another. Try reading it again.

What are the chances Squadron 42 comes out early 2018?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tIwZg8F9b8

>>180758616
0%

>>180758607
>>180758582
Thanks for the clarification English isn't my mother tongue and i'm a economically illiterate too apparently XD

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>>180757048
here

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>>180759368
Buy British pounds now lads. Derek wouldn't lie to us. This Brexit thing is going to leave the UK sitting pretty and CIG's gonna feel real dumb when the bill comes due.

>>180759368
Why does he have a hateboner about this games?

>>180758818
About ~50 minutes from now for the satellite deploy

>>180759897
because his game is shit and others can't win

It's my theory that derek wanted to kickstart his own space sim battlecruiser 4000 or something

but chris cucked him hard

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either:
>this is the most elaborate ponzi scheme in human history in its depth and fabricated facsimiles of effort
or
>they're actually trying to make a game

>people believe the former

>You can't trust the things people who like SC say about the loan because they're biased
>therefore CIG is doomed

>>180760735
>this is the most elaborate ponzi scheme in human history in its depth and fabricated facsimiles of effort
I wouldn't even be mad. I'd still be a part of the class action, but I wouldn't be mad

>>180760735
>>180760753
It's pretty textbook fallacious conspiracy theory shit. They're convinced they're right, and if they can't outright refute evidence that they're wrong, they'll just dismiss the source as biased or similar bullshit. And then as soon as something that even looks remotely negative happens, they'll leap on it to say "SEE? WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG". And then you explain why they're wrong, and if they can't refute it, they'll again either dismiss the source or come up with some mental gymnastics about why they're not wrong or you're "delusional".

No better than feminists or /pol/, really.

N-no this can't be Star Citizen is doomed, this loan is the final nail in the coffin. The end of Robert's pledge campaign.

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>>180759897
He's horrifically in debt and salty

>>180761454
>$826k mortgage
Literally fucking why? Too much lead in the pipes growing up?

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I genuinely think that Derek Smart is falseflaging goons and is secretly a Star Citizen fan.

>>180760753
The thing that kills me about this is, who would they trust? Would they trust someone who doesn't like CIG if they said that CIG is fine? Why would anyone who doesn't like CIG ever do that? Would they just dismiss that person as a turncoat?

It's the same kind of crap you see with, like, climate change. Oooh, you can't trust those climate scientists because they're biased! If climate change wasn't proven false, they wouldn't make any money! Well who the fuck else is going to look into this shit? Someone who thinks it's fake isn't going to do the research because they're already convinced it's fake.

These people literally cannot be reasoned with. They're just stuck in their own ideological bubble. It's fucking asinine.

>>180761454
Why the fuck did he buy a $1 million house?

>>180761940
He isn't very good with money.

>>180761570
He's a nigger who got a little bit of money and decided he was independently wealthy and spent everything he had immediately, like a nigger. Why do nigga rappers spend millions on cars and bling while still living in shit tier apartments in the hood?

It's because they're stupid anon. It's not being racist it's being observant.

>>180761923
Working out the nature of the source is rule #1 of anything, anon.

An SC streamer saying nothing is wrong is not something you should give a shit about. CIG explaining it is.

>>180762145
Was it his mother or aunt that was paying his rent currently?

Why does Derek give so much of a shit?
He's losing any shred of credibility he may have had in a vain attempt to turn public opinion against an in-development video game

What gain does he think he'll get out of this?

>>180762415
derek smart's wife eloped with CR at some point and as a result derek is now on the hook for alimony revolving around kids that aren't even his

>>180762415
>What gain does he think he'll get out of this?
He hasn't thought that far ahead. He's just a reactionary. He doesn't have any original ideas of his own. Look at fucking Line of Defense, it's unbelievable that he could criticize any game when his shit is that disastrous.

>>180762212
But CIG is CLEARLY trying to hide the fact that they're about to close down forever!

I'm not saying you should trust every source you come by, and sources certainly can have a conflict of interest, but that doesn't inherently make the information wrong or the argument bad. It just means you should scrutinize the argument a little more closely. That's argumentation 101.

Someone may be an SC streamer, but that doesn't mean they're wrong. And you can't just dismiss them because of it.

Still, the bigger problem I was getting at is that goons will dismiss any source that disagrees with them as biased or trying to hide something. It's insane.

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*shits on sc ship design w/ space airbus*

>>180762212
>committing ad hominem fallacy is literally rule #1 of anything
How much did you pay to take that class in logic, anon? 10 dollars?

>>180762994
Actually it's a genetic fallacy, not ad hominem.

>>180762792
Its just conjecture based on the same dribbles of information everyone else has, but from a source that has a vested interest in making it appear as though nothing is wrong. I just wait for the official excuse as usual.

>>180762994
Look up what ad hominem is and maybe you can talk with the other adults, champ.

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>>180762928
'scuse me, pardon me, superior space airbus comin through.

>people have been shitting on derek since 2006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YlR07nGYM

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>>180763201
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>180763139
>Its just conjecture based
It's the most reasonable assumption to make because it's the kind of shit the majority of businesses with any sense of scale do literally all the time.

If you want to be rational, THAT'S the assumption you should operate under until new evidence appears to suggest otherwise.

>>180763201
Is it behind the pile of shit?

>>180762682
>CR raising black kids
Talk about winning the life lottery.
>>180762792
>Someone may be an SC streamer, but that doesn't mean they're wrong. And you can't just dismiss them because of it.
You get automatically discounted if you stream SC exclusively. This is not a game, and won't be for a while yet. People playing hours of SM and AC and acting like it's the most fun shit they can think of to do are immediately sus as fuck.

I tipped WTFOsaurus when he was having a meltdown and about to delete his channel because SC has basically ruined itself for him, because he was at least honest about it.

>>180763271
I have too admit, even as someone who haaaaates E:D and E:D ship design in general, Guta ships are pretty good looking.

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>>180761803
same. The funding raised during the past days...

>>180763283
I don't assume anything. Mother of all fuckups.

Space X is back. Satellite deploy in a bit.
https://youtu.be/7tIwZg8F9b8

>>180763445
>I don't assume anything
>Therefore CIG is doomed
???

Assumptions are perfectly reasonable. Bayesian logic motherfucker.

>>180763369
I'm sure the Nox had nothing to do with it

>>180763545
Whom the fuck are you quoting, because I certainly never said that

>>180763459
did the first stage landing succeed?

>>180763139
>Look up what ad hominem is and maybe you can talk with the other adults, champ.
Thanks for
1. confirming that you actually are familiar with logical fallacies while still pretending you aren't committing one
2. because your ego won't let you not step in that trap to gloat about an error someone made
3. smarmy pretend-friendly condescending nickname
4. with all of the above, leaving the complete goon fingerprint on your post

>>180763713
>mother of all fuckups
Sounded like you were implying CIG/SC/CR is the "mother of all fuckups".

>>180763717
I'm trying to parse this gibberish but its completely lost on me

>>180763716
Yup. Just off center, but well in the circle, even with shitty weather.
>tfw motherfuckers are playing space rockets for real and I'm beating my dick to degenerate porn.

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>>180763561
Fuk, almost forgot about that

>>180764215
>Nox
>Fort Knox
It all makes sense now

how long until updates, this same old shit is getting real old

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>>180764828
two plus two weeks

Technically, the next update is tomorrow when they announce the weekly show schedule. The next real info worth giving a shit about is Thursday with AtV.

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>>180764910

>S-s42 sooon...
>3.0 a--around t-the corner
>really, its gonna be h-huge guys, really

>>180764828
"3.0" release in August.
Actual 3.0 like promised? 2018.

Pledged to SC 4 years ago and stopped following until recently.

How do I get a refund on this scam?

>>180765240
I'm kinda peeved that we are only getting moons, but they are supposed to be fuckhuge and even one moon could be good if there is shit to do.

Now they have surface outposts and stations almost on hotkeys, so I am unironically optimistic to see just how much they have to do.

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>>180765364
Ask your fellow goons

>>180765495
Replying to myself. I meant as in things to do on the moons.

>>180765623
>>180765495
>he thinks we gonna get some real content soon(2018[+1])
wew

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>>180765898
>yfw eating shit with nothing but constant 3.0 weebums spammed in this thread within another month or so

>>180765898
I mean, no bullshit, if there is cargo and pirate bases and planetary landing and surface garages for bikes and Ursas, it can't be worse than now. That's not even counting the new missions.
Is it the Jesus patch? No. Is it an improvement that might be fun to play? Maybe, better than 0 odds. Having ship systems that mean something will be pretty fresh on its own.

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>>180766126
3.0 won't be out before the year end my dude
https://youtu.be/l6UpYsOwlGY
lets enjoy some past highlights

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>>180758818
>it takes a team of engineers less time to design, build and fly a rocket into actual space than CIG does to develop 1 star system in software

suddenly I want my $45 back

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6jh1aq/90_days_tops/

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>tfw you do nothing but space trucking because CIG makes it fun and engaging with a real feeling economy that makes you feel like a stakeholder and one day you try bounty hunting because it's such a big game and immediately get wrecked by someone in an Aurora MR.

>>180767104
I wish making games would get as much funding pumped into it as the space race did in the later 20th century
hell it probably wouldn't help, games make money even when they're shit these days

>>180767191
upboated

>>180767191
Well meme'd o7

+42

>>180756780
>They aren't going to pay that out of pocket

It stays in their pocket, really? And what does it do there? Earn a laughable fraction of the interest the bank will be devouring for a loan they supposedly shouldn't even need?

Loans have to be paid back, plus interest. It always comes out of pocket eventually and you will always be worse off than if you had your own funds to begin with. The only reason to take out a loan is if you are broke and can't afford otherwise. If you think there's some kind of magical financial gymnastics that could ever make a loan sensible if you had sufficient funds of your own, you are delusional.

>He could have paid for the smaller original SC out of his own pocket, but used other people's money instead.

He doesn't have to pay back the crowd. Not interest, and not even the principal. It's free money in exchange for pictures of starships. Don't even begin to presume to equate what are essentially donations, with a bank loan.

>>180768662
Why do people like you keep ignoring the fact that businesses take out loans like this every day? And yes, if you're a start-up you put up your business as collateral. There are dozens of reasons why it's a good idea.

But you don't care about that, do you?

>>180768662
>It stays in their pocket, really?
They haven't received it yet, Dave Ramsey. They borrowed against a future payment from the government. Unless you think western society is going to collapse in the next few months, it will probably be ok.
>Loans have to be paid back, plus interest.
You're a bright one. The tiny interest they are paying is because they haven't spent their cash reserves. If they couldn't pay the loan off in full, the interest would be way more than 2x LIBOR.

CIG gets to spend Pounds while they are valuable and gets the most out of future money the government promised them. The bank get an inflow of cash from the governement, backed by CIG, at a time when Pounds will be struggling. Quit trying to think you can equate personal finance to how large multi national companies operate.

>>180769489
But I took a microeconomics class in community college, anon

>>180770082
Oh, well fuck, my bad. I hate CIG now. Brb, refunding.

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lmao got gifted reddit gold for this pic

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>July
>August
>September
>October
>November
>December

Alright, what else can CIG can hawk to the backers before the year is out.

>>180770294
>July
Drake sale
>August
3.0 launch, general ships sale.
>September
Who wants a pink Dragonfly?
>October
Spoopy Halloween sale with Jack o Lantern Aurora paint job
>November
Thanksgiving give thanks for CIG concept sale for Origin space bike.
>December
3.1 launch and general ship sale.

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>>180770550
>December
>3.1 launch

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>>180770646
I'm a dreamer.

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whats there to do in SC if i redownload it right now?

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>>180770992
almost nothing

>>180770992
AC and star marine are fun

>>180761092
that's a good thing to do imo.
The Redeemer is a fucking mess

>>180771139
have they added anything to Star marine? i played it when it launched and it was pretty barebones

>>180770768
We ain't seeing that shit until March at the earliest.

>>180770992
not much, wait for 3.0 next month or so

>>180770992
ICC missions, most of the time people are PvPing at the ICC probe or Kareah almost non stop now. Kinda DS3 like a little bit.
SM matches, although you get stuck in a room by yourself sometimes and have to restart the game from desktop.
AC matches, if you have a SH or Sabre, if not race until you can rent one, otherwise don't bother with AC.
Single player PS and VS which is my favorite since high framerate and no retards.
Racing, if you are ok with getting 'tism stomped every so often.
>>180771339
The pace should pick up after this update. No more 30GB patches after this one.

>>180771482
>No more 30GB patches after this one.
That doesn't mean 3.1 is gonna get done any faster.

The pace will pick up once they've finalized all the core systems, and just need to pump out content. But we're nowhere near there.

>>180771824
>That doesn't mean 3.1 is gonna get done any faster.
True, but it means they can patch the current game more frequently with smaller updates so the game stays fresher.
>But we're nowhere near there
We are pretty near. Still some biggies left, but nothing like netcode.
>Mining
>Interdiction
>Farming
>the rest of Crusader
>Jump Points
>Other systems
A lot, but not most of it.

>>180772134
>MINING

OMFG WHEN ORION

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>>180772450
>OMFG WHEN ORION
I can't steal my flagship until it's available for other people to use.

Our lives are suffering.

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>>180772450
>>180772642
>yfw that ship cucks the polaris in length and has another 100m slapped on in the next year whilst having its secondary sale price bumped to about seven or eight hundred dollars

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>>180772642
>>180772828
If the Orion gets even bigger then we can all just unanimously say that the Reclaimer is totally BTFO as a Trashcan, good for only collecting garbage.

>>180772828
oh fuck buying something like that. I have to take one whole. I'm going to use it as a derelict honeypot and collect ships from greedy motherfuckers who think they found the find of the century. I estimate I can collect at least a dozen small cargo and mining ships this way before people catch on. Then I will use it for a distraction attack while the real force flanks whoever falls for fighting an Orion that is charging at them.
By the time both of those tricks are worn out, I should have at least one of each of the large ships by then.
I'll use triple-cross bait missions to collect the fighters where I false flag an attack on my own ship to bait protectors into a trap.
Once I have one of every ship safely hidden, I'll retire to seal clubbing newbies.

>>180762145
>It's not being racist
>calls black people niggers

>>180774203
quit typing you fucking nigger

gb2 >>>/congo/

>>180760261
This may interest you then Anon http://archive.is/bIJFO

>>180774839
>posted in 2014

Yeah, of course he doesn't want to do it, because Christ Roberts already slammed his dick down way back in 2012 with SC kickstarter and golden ticket gate.

>>180770550
>August
>3.0 launch, general ships sale.
Nah, they will be showins 3.0 on Gamescom. Maybe Evocati will get it two weeks later. Citizen Con will get a mission playthrough of SQ42.

>>180772642

>The bots lel

Which VPN/proxy service will you use?

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>>180772642
>>180780329

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>>180780329
>>180780550
Wut? I am a humble griefer, tending to my psychopathy.

>>180780763
Is that a new Excel UI?

>>180780852
That has to be the new LibreOffice. Go open source!!

>>180780852

No idea wtf you are talking about.

>also pic has nothing to do with botting but rather with multiboxing which... I know shit about because command broadcast is for faggots.

>>180780960
>No idea wtf you are talking about.
The meme that EVE Online is just spreadsheets, and Excel is Microsoft's famous spreadsheet software.

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>>180780550

Actually, given the nature of the game and lack of overview it may be harder than I thought. If you could indeed lock the moons or roids it would be hugely helpful. Or at least have static ones.

If celestials cannot be targeted theres no way someone can get the value from memory.

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I hope 3.0 fixes gforces and/or gforce feedback

right now in the gladius you can just goat faint for no readily apparent reason even though your screen is perfectly clear and it makes it a chore to fly on top of it being not very well armed

>>180758041
I thought 3.0 was going to be out by December.

Of last year?

>>180784456
best case scenario they limit gforce effects to planetary battles

>>180785645
How is combat going to work while landing on a planet? Will there be a different dominant ship for atmosphere combat versus space combat?

>>180786273
Ships that look more stable in an atmosphere(have large wings/more aerodynamics) will fly better.

>>180786659
I meant more like if there was going to be some transition that would break combat, or can you fight from space all the way to the ground seamlessly?

>>180786772
>>>180786659
Well i suppose there's the atmospheric entry to worry about, if the moon has an atmosphere that is, if there's no atmosphere then i guess there would be no transition

is there any reason to reinstall e:d?

>>180786772
i don't think its feasible to fight while in atmospheric entry but we'll see

>>180787140
>>180787189
>if the moon has an atmosphere that is
Are any of the moons confirmed to have atmosphere?

>>180787730
Yes, most of the ones in crusader seem to, at least the ones with landing zones.

>>180788413
When do I get to be in the captains chair and have my helmsman tell me the ships is going to fly apart, so I can say "Fly her apart then!"

Why are people still giving Chris Roberts their hard-earned money? Didn't their mothers teach them anything about frugality and not being a spendthrift?

>>180790656
If I can't spend my way out of crippling depression, what am I supposed to do?

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Playing Jpeg trading sim again.
I have a Lightspeed LTI package melted which I could buy back in a few days for exactly $125(which I have credit) or I could get a couple LTI token bikes, or I could get a single token upgrade it to a cutlass Black and ride the all but Inevitable price jump when 3.0 hits those. I don't really have any interest in the nox itself, even though I dont have a land vehicle Dfly is more my style.

>>180791114
Watch this video and spend your money on something else instead, hookers, booze, video games that actually exist as something other then shitty and unfinished "alphas", etc.

>>180791981
save for melt prospector > orion

>>180792058
Whoops, forgot the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpyUYDdgxoQ&feature=youtu.be

>>180792065
nah Orion/Team Mining doesn't really interest me. Hull E is my money printer. Prospector will be my "cathartic solo resource harvesting" ship.

>>180792396
Fair enough, my dude.

>>180791981
For the record Im not going to keep the 350R If I buy the Lightspeed pack back, I'd sidegrade it into a Freelancer DUR probably. The real draw is the special bling attached the Lightspeed pack, the LTI and the Extra character slot.

>>180759368
So wait, did they pledge all company assets or just Squadron 42?

>>180792058
>>180792208
I'm openly bleeding from where I cut myself on all that edge. Why can't people just talk? I could hear the guy spit as he talked. All I could think about was all the poor equipment he was spitting on the whole time.
Plus the black and white thing being slightly out of focus just looked shitty, not vintage like he was going for. As if anyone on YT is actually using old B&W TV cameras.

>>180793143
I mean his points are okay but the aesthetic and persona ruin his credibility. Should've just stuck to b-roll. At least the mic quality is good.

>>180792961
Who gives a shit? There are two possible outcomes.

1. CIG defaults on the loan and the project implodes, which would happen anyway if CIG has no money to pay the loan

2. CIG has money and pays the loan because not paying the loan would be derek smart-level retarded

If you think the collateral matters, CIG is already bankrupt anyway. Stop getting drawn into goon bullshit

>>180792208
Damn, the part at 6:00 where he compares SC to Battletech is pretty brutal. Makes CIG look like they're being led by headless chickens.

Requesting picture of Vanduul with horsecock

>>180793523
>At least the mic quality is good.
So much good content gets ruined by pretentious fucks who think we need to see art to get their message. I would rather hear text to speech and have shitty text on screen over with quickly than some art house bullshit that takes 10 minutes to say 2 minutes worth of mouth diarrhea.

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>>180793986
get suckin', boi

>>180793646
>CIG has money and pays the loan
The british government has the money. CIG is borrowing against a future government payment before the Pound goes to shit. There is no way for them to default unless the UK folds in next few months.

>>180794289
Even then they have the money. I was just making a point that it's idiotic to be concerned about the collateral unless you already believe the project's doomed anyway.

>>180794081
Wasting time on something as irrelevant as the aesthetics of a youtube video when that video is bringing up perfectly valid points about the financial mi-managment of a major product is missing the forest for the trees.

>>180794260
Yes master!

>>180793748
What worries me is that when this project inevitably fails what does that mean for other kickstarter projects? Will people sour on the whole concept of crowdfunding a game in general?

>>180794525
I guess. He hasn't said anything that hasn't been brought up several times over the years.
>CIG is incompetent and mismanages things.
I do technical B2B work. Most businesses are complete messes run by idiot morons. Very few are tight ships that run with no problems, speaking of all types of businesses.
CIG fucking up, even royally, is not a reason for concern. You are only seeing a small slice of the total perspective. If every incompetent person was fired at once, your city would be a ghost town, and there would be no one at any hospitals.
There has never been anything but non-stories and conjecture. If there was a real problem, they probably would not have gotten the Escapist to settle out of court, and the project would have blown up by now.

>>180795197
People are already sour on the whole concept of crowdfunding games in general.

>>180795197
Probably the same shit that's happening now with Early Access games and Pre-orders
people will keep buying them

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>>180795302
was about to say this desu. crowdfunded games are already dead, this is just the single one with much of a future potentially ahead of it. there's zero remaining taste for kickstarted games. SC stands to potentially make or break the model as a success or not, and only because it branched off to its own funding platform.

ED stands as about the single present 'success' of any kickstarter title but the game is laughable in the depth of its scope compared to star citizen

>>180794432
It's idiotic to be concerned about a loan in any respect. If a bank is willing to give you or your business a loan, that's a sign of financial strength, not weakness. From a business perspective, there are no sub prime business loans.
>>180795197
Games won't be fully funded by crowdfunding anymore. Crowdfunding will just supplement existing funding.

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>>180796227
Is that going to be the first mod for private SC servers in 10 years, import all the ED ships?

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>>180795197
>>180795302
NMS did more lasting damage to crowdfunding than SC ever will. SC is more detestable with jpeg sales and general jewry, but it gets way less mainstream coverage than NMS, mostly since it's PC only. In 10 years SC will be a bit of crowdfunding trivia that's only brought up after the obvious points about NMS have been made.

>>180797706
>NMS did more lasting damage to crowdfunding than SC ever will.
NMS was backed by Sony, that's why the hype train was way off the rails. Sony was pushing that dude in front of a camera every place they could. What do you think would happen to SC, if CR had appeared on all those TV shows playing an ICC mission with a fleet battle going on?

>>180797706
NMS was crowdfunded?

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>>180797706
I don't understand why CIG gets accused of jewery, or why "jpeg sales" are detestable.

They're not trying to hide what it is. They're literally called concept sales. They're selling you an idea. There's no ambiguity or misdirection on their part. And they are genuinely trying to make a great game, despite what goons might want you to think.

They need money, and people are willing to give them money in exchange for what they're selling. There's nothing wrong with that. Honestly I feel like most people are just fucking irrational and emotional about money and markets.

>>180798352
But anon, that other anon took a microeconomics class at community college.

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>tfw eating out Banu cloaca pissflaps

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>>180798228
>take a trip
>not take a tip

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>>180798650
AHH YE DAS SOM GOOD SHIT RIGHT THERE

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>>180798837

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>>180797925
Even if both games got the exact same coverage, the fact that it's PC only will keep the major publications from hyping it up as insanely as they did with NMS
>>180798040
I was actually under the impression that it was, but I just looked and apparently not. Either way, they really pushed the pre-orders which is pretty much the same as what jpeg ships are
>inb4 it's a donation
>>180798352
The jewry is the fact that they lie about their financials ("if the money stopped today we could finish SC") yet continue to push ship sales with creeping prices. They also have little self-awareness and don't seem to understand why outsiders are frightened by their thousand-dollar dad packs and $40 missile consumables.

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>>180798909

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>>180798829
kek

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>>180798829
>not take a rip

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>>180799112

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>>180799304

>>180798956
>The jewry is the fact that they lie about their financials ("if the money stopped today we could finish SC") yet continue to push ship sales with creeping prices. They also have little self-awareness and don't seem to understand why outsiders are frightened by their thousand-dollar dad packs and $40 missile consumables.
They don't lie, they just keep adding stuff to the game as they get more money even after they quit adding stretch goals. The scope is way bigger than when they said that. They also always said the prices would creep up over time to incentivize backing early. They also do understand why some outsiders are frightened by those things, but have come to the conclusion that those people are idiots. If someone wants to donate 15 thousand dollars to you, you take it. You need to figure out what you're going to give them in return. If they just had a straight donation thing where you could enter in your own number and they didn't give anything back for large donations, even ships, you would probably be bitching and moaning about that instead, so fuck off.

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>>180799004
>>180798909

>>180798956
>The jewry is the fact that they lie about their financials ("if the money stopped today we could finish SC")
That was before the game ballooned in scope.

>yet continue to push ship sales
They have no choice. They need to make money. What they have now won't last them forever. Most crowd-funded games grossly underestimate how much money they'll need. They get their funding and they forget about the money until a year or two later when they realize "oh fuck we're out of money". And then they either fold, or they scramble to get some capital. They should have been continuing to raise money the entire time. There's nothing greedy about that.

>with creeping prices.
Huh? Most of the recent ships have been mostly in-line with historical prices. Granted, old ships have increased in price over time, but that's pretty standard marketing to encourage early adoption. Hell, CIG loses out quite a bit by making some ships as expensive as they are. They'd make FAR more money if, say, the Idris was a quarter, or even half the price it is now. They make some ships intentionally expensive to *discourage* people from buying them for the purposes of game balance. They know roughly what they want the proportion of ships in the game to be, and they don't want 1,000 Idrises in the game day one.

>They also have little self-awareness and don't seem to understand why outsiders are frightened by their thousand-dollar dad packs
True, but that doesn't make them greedy or detestable.

>$40 missile consumables.
That's just dishonest. You could absolutely buy that with in-game currency. Hell CIG is intentionally limiting how much UEC you can buy with real money by imposing monthly limits on purchases (and that monthly limit is planned to be pretty low).

Say what you want about Chris, but he's not in this to make money. He's not trying to drive sales because he wants your shekles. He's a severely autistic space man and he needs money to make his autistic game.

>>180799512
>The scope is way bigger than when they said that
Is this just the go-to argument for when CIG goes back on themselves? They're really taking liberties from that 5 year old poll to be expanding the scope to this day.
>They also always said the prices would creep up over time to incentivize backing early.
Not only are warbonds an extra bit of jewry, but they punish existing backers with money already in the project.
>They also do understand why some outsiders are frightened by those things, but have come to the conclusion that those people are idiots.
That's fine, but they can't then turn around and bitch about bad press when your product looks and sounds super sketchy.

>>180800646
>Is this just the go-to argument for when CIG goes back on themselves?
When he said that, it was true you fuckhead. Things have changed and it's not true anymore, which is why he's not still saying it.

>>180800646
>Is this just the go-to argument for when CIG goes back on themselves?
They can do whatever the fuck they want. They are self publishing, so there is no one to satisfy but themselves. They don't owe the backers any timeline, this is old settled news. If you wanted a refund because you thought they exceeded the scope, you got your refund 2 years ago.

>>180800646
>Not only are warbonds an extra bit of jewry, but they punish existing backers with money already in the project.
Again, CIG needs money. If they don't raise money, they will eventually run out. There is nothing wrong or greedy or "jewish" about this.

I think you let one too many 4chan post about the evil capitalist boogieman go to your head.

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>>180800590
>>180800793
>That was before the game ballooned in scope.
This game "balloons in scope" every 3 months it seems. I remember CR saying they had enough money after procedural planets, is adding farming really that expensive?
>That's just dishonest. You could absolutely buy that with in-game currency.
There's currently no way to earn in-game currency other than with real money. The entire Voyager Direct store should have been made obsolete by REC but it still stands since CIG is too money hungry, or Turbulent is too retarded to fix their 5 year old website.
>>180800907
>They can do whatever the fuck they want.
I agree, but in my opinion, doing "whatever the fuck they want" is ruining their reputation with parts of the community. Depending on how long SC lingers in development, I fear even previously loyal backers will turn on CIG and will only be fueled by the years of shitty community outreach and controversy.
>>180801139
I'm deliberately looking at this from the consumer's pov since that's what outsiders see and that's the reputation the game is earning for itself. The original discussion was about the future of crowdfunding games after SC, afterall.

>>180801447
>There's currently no way to earn in-game currency other than with real money.
u wot

You can play the game right now and get aUEC and buy things in-game with it.

Open development was a mistake.

>>180801604
aUEC is meaningless and is meant to be phased out.

>selling as the best damn space sim game
>human pilots for combat ships(easy to forgive because mah gameplay)
>artificial caps on speed in a world with unlimited maneuvering fuel
>weapons on exploration, civilian, refinery and cargo ships
>weapons on refinery and cargo ships WAY BETTER than designated fighters
>repairing your ship in seconds
>costing pennys to repair
>repairs done with electricity
>such technology would suggest they have nigh unlimited resources, enough to destroy any need for crime or piracy
>game is built around piracy

i get the need for makeing gameplay fun, but its a space combat game, did they not know that jousting and circle shooting is how maned space combat would go? next game chris makes will be naval warfare 'simulator, but he wants to force WWII style dogfighting so the naval ships will do barrel rolls and immelmann turns, what kind of fucking moron do you have to be to not see that maned space combat is fundamentally different in every possible way from WWI/WWII biplane dogfighting?
the only reason piracy works or has ever worked is because merchants were unarmed, heavily armed escorts were the only solution pushing the risk of getting killed a little to high for the moderatly armed pirates. so putting weapons on merchant transport ships kills the usefulness of piracy as a job. insurance companys would go out of business in a arccorp minute if dumping cargo was standard procedure for merchants when pirates show up.

as for artificial speed caps that is the dumbest idea of them all, accelerate to turnaround point is not to complicated for people to understand, people play orbital mechanics simulator for fun, i think they can understand the simple turnaround at midpoint concept.

>>180801604
You can buy FPS weapons and shirts with aUEC, but Voyager Direct is UEC only meaning you're spending real money on a missile that can be fired once.

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>>180801878
>repairing your ship in seconds
>costing pennys to repair
>repairs done with electricity
The repair system is temporary for the mini PU. The rest of your post is pretty much how CR's autism works. He wants a Star Wars version of the future but he also goes ahead and cherrypicks anachronisms from other scifi worlds he likes and basically puts it on the poor loremakers to bullshit their way through it all.
>pic related
>hyper-advanced spacefaring civilization
>doesn't record history lmao

>>180801882
Have you considered that's because the in-game stores aren't finished yet, whereas it's really easy to add something to the web store?

>>180801803
That's irrelevant.

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>>180802381
Doesn't change the fact that they're charging $40 for a one time pixel explosion :-)

>Ortwin says that the collateral specifically excludes Star Citizen
>the definition for "Excluded Collateral" is never used outside of the definitions section, therefore it's meaningless

Explain this, shitizens.

>>180802517
How? The whole purpose of a(lpha)UEC is for them to work the bugs out of the currency before going live with the one that counts. Also, aUEC can hyper inflate and they can wipe it so they can see what parts of the economy are creating the most wealth and where they can take the most currency out with money sinks without being a huge single burden.

SC is a single currency game with no reserve currency. If UEC hyper inflates, there is nothing they can do. If they have a test currency that everyone pretends with, they can work all this stuff out without fucking with people's actual money.

>watch star trek opening
>desperately long for some elite action
>boot it up
>immediately bored to the point of suicide
holy shit how can one game be so horrible

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>>180803049
>being able to get a loan from the most prestigious banking firm in the UK is indicative of any financial troubles at all

gb2SA, goonski

>>180803049
You haven't seen every page of the document. You have only seen the parts they have to make public.

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>One of the most high class bank in the UK
>Thinking that you can get a loan from it if you're NOT a successful business

So which is it, goonfaggots

Is Star Citizen Failing?

If so, How can Failing Business get Loan from Bank that doesn't give Loans to Failing Business?


Or is it the fact that Chris managed to get the loan that irks you

The Itch of Success?


Haha


Hahhahah
fuck off kongoons

>>180803097
He was complaining because there was no way ot get in-game currency, which is patently false. Yes, aUEC is being used for the reasons you stated, but it's not relevant to this discussion. You can get in-game currency and you can buy things with it. The reason the web store has things you can't buy in-game yet is because the game stores are very heavily WIP.

>>180803408
r u ok m8

>>180803409
When I said in-game currency, I specifically meant UEC to be used in Voyager Direct for the otherwise $40 missiles. Yeah, aUEC is in-game currency, but not in the context we were talking about, which makes you a pedantic contrarian, and also a faggot.

>>180803813
Dude, just stop. You're making a fool of yourself.

>>180803813
>CIG is greedy because you can't buy missiles with aUEC because the in-game store isn't done
How the fuck does this make any sense? You're fucking retarded. You're all fucking over the place and I'm honestly not even convinced you know what you're trying to argue anymore.

>>180803409
>>180803813
There is no point in fucking with UEC, unless you are stockpiling it. You have literally lost your mind if you spend anything now. We have a placeholder currency just to preserve the value of UEC until it is actually needed. The only reason Voyager Direct is even open is for the short bus window licking retard that just won't fucking listen. Ultimately CIG needs to remove as much UEC from the system as it can, as early as it can. Leaving VD open allow for idiot to part with their UEC and help CIG before they even start. CIG isn't greedy, people who pay $40 for a single use missile are useful idiots.

Speaking of money sinks, how many can you think of that we have been told about so far?
>Ship Insurance
>Ship respawn premiums
>Cargo Insurance
>Pirate Insurance
>Stolen ship fencing
>(presumably)Cargo loading and unloading fees.
>Ammo
>Consumables like health packs
>Quantum fuel
>Repairs
>Ship upgrade parts
>Upgrade labor
What else will you constantly have to spend money on?

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>>180803049
The term "Excluded Collateral" is used in the definition of "Collateral", retard.

>>180804864
Excluded collateral is exactly the kind of collateral that I would include in the definition of collateral where I explain what parts are excluded.

>>180798352
>I don't understand why CIG gets accused of jewery, or why "jpeg sales" are detestable.
Because my disposable income is limited, and even if I had the luxury of treating thousands of dollars like monopoly money, I could get more enjoyment if I spent that on fully fledged games. But I don't, and I need to pick and choose my purchases wisely, so fuck you.

>>180803163
It's psychosomatic anon. You've been convinced by your peers that it's a shit game so much that it's become memetic. Even if The Braben added everything you've ever wanted in the game tomorrow, you'd still feel the same the moment you started the game up. That's not to say that the game isn't shallow, but there are things to do to keep yourself busy.

>>180804726
Ship docking and landing fees.
Hangar Fees.
Bribes to security if you're a smuggler.
Protection money to local gangs.
Org taxes.
Crew Pay, be it NPC or Human crew.

>>180805145
>I want them to define a term within the definition of another term rather than under its own heading
Oh, just fuck off goonie. Star Citizen didn't die today, deal with your disappointment.

>>180805942
Fuck I didn't even think of running a big ship and all the crew pay plus ship expenses. They must have really thought out how they are going pull money out of literally everything you do.

I wonder what consumables miners will have aside from the containers.

>>180806176
calm down spergalicious. I was making fun of the legalese. If defined later in the document. M'lady Sandi thanks you from her tickle dungeon for your support though.

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>>180806397
go back to something awful before i put you there, goon.

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>>180806570
Have another (You), you illiterate fuck.

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>>180806941

The loan doesn't automatically mean CIG is in any sort of trouble...

However, it does mean they're screwed extra hard when and if the ship jpg sales bubble ever pops.

>>180807067
>ship jpg sales bubble
I think it is the web services. They said that different servers would run different areas of space. If each group of 24 or so needs a group of servers instead of just one, the web bill might be huge. Having that extra cash on hand for the hugest upgrade so far inb4 hurr durr, they left stuff out, is a good cushion to their reserves.

>>180806397
>I wonder what consumables miners will have aside from the containers.
Well miners will already have to do shit work cargo runs in an aurora for who knows how long to even buy the starter mining ship.

Then they'll have to pay for someone to baby sit them while they mine because the starter mining ship is weaker than an Aurora MR. Additionally they'll either need to stop and go off load when they fill up two crates worth or pay someone to pick up the crates and transport them.

And there's no telling how often their mining laser might need to be repaired from use.

Just started playing Elite: Dangerous, got it on the Steam sale. Is this the right general?

So far, I've got stranded without fuel and got helped out by the Fuel Rats. Made a few million trading basic medicine in a Type-6 at a profit of 2k+ per unit, but that gravy train has ended. Managed to kill a couple of ships in an Eagle but still have a KDR of about 0.1. Want to join a gang or corp or something.

Any tips for trading/combat/getting affiliated?

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>>180807850
http://inara.cz/wing/1470/

https://discord.gg/zy4xVRD

>>180807459
Miners are getting fucked over pretty hard from the start.
It seems cargo transport is the least fucked from the start, but the entire game loop is built around stopping or protecting these shipments, so there is direct intervention there.
Who is going to stack money? What is the lowest overhead, lowest cost job you could build wealth with?

>>180807920
I'm British, but thanks.

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>>180808157
better stay out of eravate and gateway, bud.

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>>180807850
>Any tips for trading/combat/getting affiliated?
>He doesn't know.
Do you want me to tell you the secret of the game now, or do you want to learn it for yourself in a few hundred hours?

>>180809025
all degenerates will be shot on site, regardless of affiliation.

>>180809193
Tell me now. It better not be mining. I did enough of that in EVE.

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Trade slaves! Trade slaves!
From Achenar to Lave
Stack 'em front 'n' back,
Fill up every rack
Trade slaves! Trade slaves!

>>180809782
It's all the same. It literally doesn't matter what you do. Nothing changes, power play doesn't matter, rank and affiliation are meaningless numbers that you start over every time you move. Best thing to do is go to Quince and do surface scan missions(needs Horizons) until you can afford the ship you want.
If you don't have Horizons, find a system in civil war and do low intensity conflict zones.

Your goal is to make scads of money to buy and equip a mid or top tier ship, spend a few hundred hours on Engineers, then blow your fucking brains out. That's all there is, the rest is for immersionfags a.k.a. dads.

>>180809193
For trading, I use etn.io. Don't accept anything with less than a 4k per ton profit. For combat, you could try stacking a few massacre missions and heading to a conflict zone, though that may be tough on smaller ships. Easiest option for combat would be to go to a res site with a kill warrant scanner and do what you can until you have enough money or want to do something else

>>180810354
So I couldn't eventually take over the galaxy? That sucks.

>>180810428
Thanks, this is helpful info.

>>180810598
No, that will never happen. Don't trust fdev to make it right in the future either. Enjoy your spess ship and try not to get hung up on details. Money is all you care about, the rest will leave you disappointed when you see how shallow and fake it is.

>>180810732
I thought there'd be a load of emergent gameplay, teaming up to battle other players and take their turf using exciting new strategies and tactics that the devs never thought of, perhaps while role-playing as a space pirate. That sort of thing.

From what I've seen, there's tons of potential to build a little empire or start a gang or something like that.

>>180811279
Most of the dads stick with Solo Play, so you'll never see them. These are also the people who the developers primarily cater to when it comes to designing the game, so don't expect them to give PvP any attention.

The game you just described is EVE.

>>180811279
>there's tons of potential to build a little empire or start a gang or something like that

none whatsoever.
if you manage to bring a gaggle of autists together and work really hard (ie RP and grind) for several months and brown nose fd you can get your own system faction added to the game, which is functionally nothing but a name on a list of factions in the system in question

you can then go on to attempt to spread your imaginary groups' influence to other system, but it's still nothing more than a name on a list. it does literally nothing else. you get nothing for it, no benefits, nothing. your faction name on a list, either as a controlling faction or as a non-controlling faction. either way it doesn't do shit.

you could enroll with a powerplay figure and do jerbs for them to expand their influence and get favors, but once you hit the highest favor tier (1~ month of grinding) there is literally no reason to continue doing it, no matter if the person you're shilling for controls half the galaxy or not.


the best part is that even if you do decide to bring together a group to RP and get John Spessman installed as supreme galactic ruler or get your faction to control Sol, any determined group of players can undermine all your efforts from the safety of their own Private Group or even in solo :^)


>>180810354
basically what anon said. if you're anything like me, once you realise this, you will get a sudden urge to assemble a ship with the greatest possible jump range and go to the farthest reaches of the galaxy, because why the fuck not

nothing else to do anyway if you've gathered enough credits

I bought E:D during the steam sale, any tips for a newbie?

And yes I do have a second monitor

>>180812589
You get powerplay modules at rank 3 and if you maintain rank 5, you can get 50m per week. Even taking out what you would spend on a few cargo loads of powerplay materials, it's still a nice profit. Dads can affect the background sim from solo, private, but so can you.

>>180812659
First of all, learn to separate memes from reality. Next, take your ship to a res site, equip a kill warrant scanner and make your first few mill. After that, grab a multirole ship like a cobra or a diamondback explorer and screw around for a while. Go do some exploring, hunt for crashed satellites on planets, do the srv time trial runs to gather engineering data. If you want a cool res site for combat, try Iota Hydri. The nearest station orbits inside the ring that the res sites are on.

>>180812659
Looks like you and I are in the same boat. So far, I've learned:

If you get stranded in a system without fuel, you can tab out or get on another device and go to:
https://www.fuelrats.com/i-need-fuel/
They'll show up and help you out. Good to have a fuel scoop just in case, anyway.

There are sites that give good trading data:
http://etn.io/
http://www.elitedangeroustrading.com/commodities-market.aspx
Fill in some forms and find profitable trades, then buy and fit bigger and better cargo ships to exploit the trade route. Prices change, and sometimes the price data on those sites is out of date, so take that into account. It's worth having a look at the missions on offer in stations you're trading with, sometimes you can pick up an extra 50k or so for going to a system you were going to anyway.

After you've outfitted a ship, it might start running low on power, refusing to power up weapons or even the life support. You can turn unnecessary modules on and off using the interface screen on the right of the cockpit.

To fire the rail gun, hold the fire button until it fires.

Home is the default key for the cargo scoop.

>>180814201
>>180813284
Thanks man.

Regarding trade - is that mostly like EVE, where I can buy goods at X station for $50 each and sell them at Y station for $100 each? Or something to that extent.

>>180814327
Yep, same principle: Buy low, move it, sell high.

>>180814327
>>180814557
Also, a good profit margin will have a few thousand in profit per unit. For example, until yesterday I was buying Basic Medicine for 170 and selling it in the next system for 3,020. Used the profit from that to buy a hauler, and increase the cargo limit ASAP. Then bought a Type-6 transport ship and was soon moving over ten times as much gear as the Sidewinder could.

uh

ELITE DANGEROUS 2.4 WILL INTRODUCE NEW WEAPONS AND ARMOR RELATING TO THE THARGROOTS

THIS WILL COME IN THE FORM OF A NEW "CORROSIVE" DAMAGE TYPE YOU WILL NEED TO DEAL AND DEFEND AGAINST

SHIPS OUTFITTED AND MODDED TO FIGHT THARGORRHOIDS WILL BE TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE AGAINST HUMANS AND VICE VERSA

FEEL FREE TO SCREENCAP THIS

29 euro for elite with season pass, worth it? I had plans to wait for SC but it's gonna be years until it comes out

>>180818282
There's also going to be a chain of CG's and some Galspan news posts attached that determine the outcome of the war. I'm so excited to watch the outcome on youtube from the handful of lucky players that were in the right instance at the right time and also just happened to be famous Elite Dangerous youtube personalities like those British guys or that guy with the generic Eastern European accent.

>>180805468
who gives a fuck about how you are spending your money. If you pledge dont complain dumbass. And i hope you didnt buy a dad package

>>180805468
So don't buy ships dumb fuck.

>>180818359
anyone?

>>180823152
dunno about season pass, but i got the base game on sale and it was worth every penny

>scheduled maintenance
How long will this last?

>>180823505
So I checked, and it'll be down until about 6-7pm tonight.

FUCK

>>180772642
Could you use one of these to slice up a capital ship down the middle?

>>180805468
>goom outs himself as jealous, entitled child

>>180823872
God damn, I hope so. Using the jaws on a ships is the top priority.

>>180818282
You forgot the "specialized" grinding required to obtain the rep needed to talk to the NEW engineer they put up.
Then they'll say because of the [REDACTED] you can't put them into storage to transfer to a different ship. You have to outfit them on whatever ship you're piloting now.

Commuting burger bump.

Can you still get a refund?

>>180831442
Probably. It would be some tragically unfortunate timing to come this far and bail right before the biggest patch of the game, but you do you. Email customer service.

>>180831570
I've not really kept up with the game for years now and this loan talk has me worried, but I suppose I'll wait and see if this patch is as big as it sounds.

>>180832068
ctrl+f "ortwin"

Look at the official statement. They borrowed against a future payment from the government. They are shorting the Pound and helping a bank for a tiny interest rate. It's literally nothing.

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[eats your ship]

>>180832245
>the pound is trending back up, not down
>they can't even wait for their government cheese

In other words, broke.

>>180835781
>>the pound is trending back up, not down
Saying things doesn't make them true.

>>180797706

NMS promised the world and gave you peanuts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mz5YPkThOU

>>180826193

Industrial crap is usually fragile as fuck. Some faggot harbinger or the stealth bomber will eat those for breakfast.

>>180839956
That's why you use it for bait. Who could resist turning in on an Orion that looks like it is attacking you? Right when they get too close, the strike teams power up and cut off the attackers. Give them the option to live if they give up the ship, rinse, repeat. Once everyone has the ships they want, we move on.

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Fuck Sabres!

>>180772134
>We are pretty near.
No we're not. A large chunk of the low-level technical stuff (namely things relating to network performance) got cut from 3.0 and even then it's late as fuck.

>>180761803

The day it releases he'll do a press conference and walk out on stage with Christ Roberts and they'll announce that the whole thing was a false flag to draw out CIGs insider leaks

>>180844371
>namely things relating to network performance
Stop with this fucking meme. Removing stop gap measures from the schedule because CIG is going completely to the new networking system doesn't mean they are cutting anything from it. Bind Culling was a stop gap measure until the networking api was created. Now there are no extra connections to unbind because they are carefully managed from the start now. Seriously, watch the Serialized Variable AtV, this is all explained.

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>selling 2 bikes for the price of 1.85 bikes
THIS MADMAN IS LITERALLY GIVING MONEY AWAY

Can't wait for even betterer military bike in 3 months!

Are beds still a thing? Are we still going to be able to log off from the bed of a ship?

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>it's glossy and sleek!
>it's hi-tech!
>it's aggressive and angular!
>it has blue lights!
>it has transforming bits and pieces!
Guess what I had in mind, Tevarin Prowler or Xi'an Nox. Gotta love those established design languages, amirite?

>>180844765
Derek Smart would be the most impressive false flag in history.

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So I'm about to cough the U$ 15 for Elite Dangerous on Steam, should I be buying some of the DLC too? Will I enjoy it if I don´t?

>>180847250
>people seriously commissioning pictures of themselves in a video game
God it's so cringey.

>>180847951
Answer my >>180847250 question you dimwit

>>180848045
I don't play Erectile Dysfunction, it's boring as shit.

>>180848184
Are you one of those ADHD children?

>>180847250
horizons is necessary for getting anywhere very serious in ED. don't bother with cosmetics at least to begin with if at all

Star Citizen > Elite

>>180851282
Yes, it is known.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBuh_PvAVjY
>text-based "companion app" for the PU where you pretend to run cargo missions and make money to "buy" your own ships

>>180852872
I'm not usually into fat chicks at all but Alexis is kinda cute. I'd pound her.

Elite Dangerous > Star Shitizen

>>180852872
i want that gladius poster

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>>180854037
>tfw original shitizen

>>180847250
Horizons is a must if you plan to play the game for a long time, but if you aren't sure then just spend the $15 now and get the dlc later if you like it.

>>180761803
Question from a guy with no financial knwoledgeand a conspiracy streak

If Derek took a loan for a lot of money and bought tons of JPEG packs before being caught as the fraud he have always been, would the repo-men bother CIG trying to get the money back?

>>180859573
>would the repo-men bother CIG trying to get the money back?
No.

>>180795604
>>180797706
If Star Citizen is a mild success and don't get good media coverage, crowdfunding take a hit
If Star Citizen become a monstrous blockbuster that get free advertisement without even paying for, crowdfunding will certainly rise again, but for a potentially worst result because most human being spend money on impulse rather than informed opinion.

The big winner will be any company who manage to pretend they are "another SC" and fooling Call of Duty kiddies with a game no different from CoD IW

>>180798352 >>180799512
Some persons are just mad they don't have money to spend, it's emotionally for them to claim SC are being jewish than admit they are poor themselves.

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I officially renounce all any any allegience with Derek Smart.

>Derek is getting furious in the discord
>saying goons set him up in the RAID channel
>banned multible long-term supporters, kicked beer for an hour
>hasn't been this mad since his wife left last week

>>180862487
Did my pic trigger him? >>180770228

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Kekalicious!

I'm getting so fucking tired.
Open dev my ass

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>>180862864
Looks like Star Citizen will always be at least 6-7 weeks away no matter which point in time you choose.

>>180862487

>spoiler
Dude what lmao

>>180864000
WTF I love DS now.

>>180862864
Are implying that delays mean they aren't telling us what they're doing? Because that would be fucking stupid.

>>180864000
We're trying to save face right now

ok #realtalk

anyone else impressed by how much they've got done? browse the studio report and see how many complicated things they've got working and feature complete for 3.0

sure they're taking ages to pump out ships and weapons and stuff, and the networking/patcher/netcode stuff is still early phase but it's impressive what they've done so far.

i dont know how easy it will be for them to implement all their solar systems in this new object container tech but if it's all using an editing tool to just copy/paste stuff and tweak variables it might be fast for them to create more.

of course, the jump point tech will need the network to be nailed down before they can link them together, maybe 12-18 months away before we start seeing the PU come together in a big way

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>>180864365
I'm still buttblasted that they told us "weeks not months" at Gamescon last year.

>>180864591
desu It's making me rethink if the project will suceed or not, i'm starting to learn towards it being possible now

>>180864770
Okay, so how about you bitch about that instead of spouting random bullshit and buzzwords.

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>>180864891
Bullshit and buzzwords?

Are you saying that what I wrote is wrong?
Didnt they tell us last year after a long time of radio silence that they should be more open? Like in open development?

Right now it seems like they are just pretending to have stuff ready and being lose to release while in fact they are pretty fucking far away from reaching something even remotely close to their stated estimates.

Please enlighten me.

>>180865314
>Didnt they tell us last year after a long time of radio silence that they should be more open?
And they did, which is why they have the schedule report and in-depth weekly updates from studio.

As for "weeks not months", Chris is autistic and can't make time estimates for shit and says shit on impulse without actually talking to his developers, what else is new? You can literally see what they have done and what they're working on, though. Go watch AtV.

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>>180865314
"..being close to release.."

Sorry for typo.
Also, I'm not trolling. I just want a real discussion, because every time they start a thread about CIG giving short release estimates to increase hype and sale while knowingly being many months away from target, everyone just starts the whole "stop being impatient" "you have no idea how long time it takes to make a video game of this magnitude".

I am fully aware that this takes time and thats ok, but please be realistic with estimates. Just say July 2018 instead of just delaying it with 2 weeks every other week just to milk out cash on petty bike sales.

>>180865586

Are you telling me Chris is the guy who sets the estimated release dates on the 3.0 schedule report?

Because that guy should be fucking replaced with somebody who is more realistic,

Why not just say December 2018 or later instead of just updating a 100% predictable date which seems like will always be "todays date + 6 weeks".

>>180865673
>Just say July 2018 instead of just delaying it with 2 weeks every other week just to milk out cash on petty bike sales.
They're not trying to string anyone on.

The schedule report is their internal dev schedule prettied up a bit for the public. The management at CIG intentionally sets aggressive targets for their tasks and developers. And believe me, as someone who works as a software developer, devs can get pretty lazy unless you put the fire under their ass.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the management at CIG (except for Chris) knows how long a lot of this shit is going to take, but they still have to set aggressive deadlines for the devs.

>>180866061
Also CIG very intentionally *stopped* giving release dates for patches. As they've said hundreds of times, the dates on the schedule report are purely development targets and should *NOT* be taken as release dates

>>180866061
Thanks,

That's actually a pretty good answer.

But, im still a bit butt blasted about Autismo Chris and his release date tourettes roulette.