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/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #514

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''Focusing on important stuff'' Edition

Previous Thread: >>180521389

>Life Is Strange: Before the Storm First Gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7d75ntYy_M

>Life is Strange: Before the Storm Announce Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvwDNGjEp7A

>Return to Arcadia Bay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GONk9c3MLjA

>Release Dates:
Episode 1 − ''Awake'' 31 August 2017
Episode 2 − ''?'' (TBA)
Episode 3 − ''?'' (TBA)
Bonus Episode: Farewell − (TBA)

Life is Strange: Before the Storm features Chloe Price, a 16 year-old rebel who forms an unlikely friendship with Rachel Amber, a beautiful and popular girl destined for success. When Rachel’s world is turned upside down by a family secret, it takes their newfound alliance to give each other the strength to overcome their demons. Available for pre-order on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.

Life is Strange is an episodic interactive drama from DONTNOD Entertainment. Set in the Pacific Northwest in the town of Arcadia Bay, the player follows the story of Maxine Caulfield and her seemingly newfound ability to turn hella gay and rewind time. At the prestigious Blackwell Academy, Max must prepare with Chloe Price for the incoming storm of returning to her hometown after five years. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.

>Official Website:
http://lifeisstrange.com

>Steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/554620
http://store.steampowered.com/app/319630
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4chanlisg

>/lisg/ Permalink:
http://orph.link/lisg

>FAQs, Old Threads/Strawpolls, Soundtrack/Music & Leaks:
http://orph.link/lisgarchive (UPDATED)

>/lisg/ Community Written Fan Fiction (Continuation WHEN):
http://orph.link/story

>Compilation of Fanfics:
http://orph.link/fanfic

>/lisg/ Content Producers:
http://imgur.com/a/DOAKn

>/lisg/ sings:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQJgF3NToUg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjPsOkijFh0

>Strawpolls:
http://strawpoll.me/13090936
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http://strawpoll.me/13186941
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Max did nothing wrong.
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BFFs, Pirates, Wonder Twins, Partners in Time & Crime & Love, Fellow Dorks, GFs, Wives.
OTP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvZxmgLfNA
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Max is #1
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>>180692320
yes!
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>>180692436
Of course she didn't. Who could say she did?
Only way to try to criticize her is by using hindsight or information she didn't have.
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>>180692242
Before Episode 5's release:
>Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
>Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
>We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
>Jefferson knows about Max's powers
>Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
>Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
>(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
>Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
>Blue Jay's Chloe

After Episode 5's release:
>Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
>We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
>Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
>David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
>Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
>Nathan get killed,Victoria too
>Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
>Warren explained Max's powers(!)(thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
>Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
>Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
>Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't or butterfly,bluejay just spiritualdoe
>Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's storm summoner just it.
>Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
>Chloe has to die thing comes true, Cemetery scene explained with that.
>The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it
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Chloe is stronk
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Max is pretty!
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WANTED
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>>180693086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho
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>>180692242
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Replaying, something struck me about Bay that I rarely see mentioned in the arguments.

The choice at the end of the AU fundamentally strips the final binary of its significance if you think about it. Everybody who has reached the end of episode 5 has already made the same decision already - whether to go along with Chloe resigning herself to a seemingly fated death, or to stand up against it and refuse to leave her.
Furthermore, even if 'the universe demands Chloe must die' is a fait accompli, AND you are willing to kowtow to this, the AU is an infinitely better version:
>William is alive
>Joyce is happy
>Max isn't in any trouble
>Chloe dies in bliss in a comfortable bed on the happiest day of her life >dies dreaming of her and Max together forever
>dies right after telling Max how much she loves her
But this timeline is just discarded and Max doesn't even mention it regarding the final 'maybe we should use a photo to let Chloe die alone in a filthy bathroom never having seen her best friend' (not even to say 'huh, if I knew Chloe had to die I should have stayed in that timeline' if we are to accept it was too late to fish out the William photo and jump over)

You could argue that William being alive would keep the universe fucked up, but this seems to be rebutted by the fact that Max using her powers to save Kate never caused problems (first, rewinding her falls and freezing time to talk to her; in Bay, proactively stopping her from ever going to the roof)
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>>180693913
There's a big difference between the dilemma and the alternate timeline and what's being asked to be done in the Bay timeline.
In the alternate timline, Chloe is dead. It's just a question of how much time and the circumstances. She has three options there: Die with Max by her side (Though it would have been even more emotional if she called her parents in as well), die whenever her condition weakens her to the point she cannot go on, or possibly die in the coming storm. It's a terrible situation that Max immediately goes back and undoes even if she knows what it means will happen. Chloe will go through five years with a lot of bad times, but she will live and have the potential for a better future. Max knows it's better for Chloe and Max tries to impart some words to give Chloe strength, even though Chloe didn't know at the time what was going on.

The Bay timeline is not giving Chloe or her parents any mercy. It's undoing all the maturing Chloe did, all the things she learned, and eliminating the potential for any future for her. It's the worst thing Max could do to herself and her friend and the fact it's even an option is a betrayal of who Max is.
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>>180692882
Chloe is gay!
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>>180693913
Nice thoughts.

I also like to expand more about the Kate thing. I been bring up the fact that Max gains the power by witnessing a traumatic event. She doesn't even recgonize the person she gets shot until later. In Episode 2, Max gains a new power/ability: Time Stop after seeing Kate, someone that she does know and recognize, jump to her death. This is another traumatic event.

So if such traumatic event happens later in Max's life, wouldn't she gain the same/similar powers anyways regardless if Chloe is alive or dead?
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As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

>eat Lisa
https://instaud.io/kVV

>eat your own foot
https://instaud.io/kWb
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>>180693086
Max successfully apprehended and returned to Chloe
>Breakin' rocks in the hot sun. I fought the law and the law won.
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>>180695024
Not that Anon you replied to, but that's a possibility I've thought of. That even if Chloe dies (Ignoring all the logical inconsistencies in that for the sake of this argument) that Max still knows things she wouldn't know without the power. Saying or doing something may be a change because of what Max already knows and that could trigger another storm, disaster, or or other bad consequences. Or, as you said, Max's powers could awaken again if she witnesses something particularly distressing or that is about to seriously harm her. Not that I think Max using her power would always cause something bad, that seemed to be a one time thing due to the very first rewind which she could not control.
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Rachel is number #2
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I'm sure that this has been pointed out, but according to a postcard in Chloe's room, Arcadia Bay is in zip code 97141 (a real zip code which includes Tillamook, most of Tillamook Bay, and Cape Meares. Garibaldi is just outside of it).
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>>180695585
when i bring this up to bay people, they say that knowing information about other timelines and little changes to the timeline doesn't matter so it wouldn't summon a storm.
how they can be so sure of that i have no idea. this goes against the whole butterfly effect the game has going on.
the original timeline is impossible to restore for many reasons.
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>>180696064
Kate is number 2. Rachel is number 5 or 6 behind Brooke, Dana and Alyssa.

>>180696510
As a former Bayfag, that's a very, very good point, but it's not a guarantee that'll change the way she acts, although it almost entirely is, and Chloe's death had such a huge impact that it's not comparable to, say, knocking a camera off a desk.
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>>180696915
yes of course a death of Chloe and dropping her camera are on complete different levels. just think about all the little changes that will built up. Max will act different towards different people such as David, rest of the Prescott family, Victoria, Kate, and others. Small changes? Sure. Not enough to cause the storm? Possibly. We're not sure though. It's all a possibility.
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The whole idea of "Some changes are okay but saving Chloe is a no" is admission of defeat.
Bayfags argued that because Max changed time, that caused the storm and the only way to stop the storm was to go back and not change time, the instant you bring up that Max made changes before saving Chloe and they're moving the goalposts.
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>"Chloe, my dad is cheating on my mom!"
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>>180699031
I find this theory very silly so far.
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>>180699031
>>180699103

>"Chloe, my mom has a dick like you!"
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>>180694570
I'm not sure if there's a disagreement here. My point was simply that, as I understand the purported logic of the time travel, if Max euthanized Chloe and stayed in the AU the storm would be gone just like in Bay but everything would be much better overall.
This is to say, Bay is still shitty even if you accept DONTNOD's time travel logic as 100% solid and bulletproof.
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>>180699031
>>180699179
GAAAHHHH!

What a horrible nightmare.
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>>180699839
I don't think the storm would be gone there. I mean we don't get to see that timeline through to the end of the week so it may have.
If there was any logic with the time travel then there wouldn't be any dying animals and coming storm in that timeline since Max removed the situation of Chloe and Nathan from even happening, thus getting rid of her saving Chloe. Maybe that timeline would be better than the Bay timeline but it's still full of misery. Chloe's dead, her parents are grieving and now in a huge amount of debt, and Max is left in a timeline where she's alone.
I really think any ending that's not Max and Chloe together is inherently depressing and should be avoided if possible. So that Chloe is alive and can grow, and so that Max is not left alone with the knowledge of her power and what she's been through.
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>>180699179
>yfw Chloe really is the Bayest
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>>180699179
>"Chloe, fuck me with your big dick!"
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>>180700294
>I don't think the storm would be gone there. I mean we don't get to see that timeline through to the end of the week so it may have.
Well yeah, I guess that's inherently true since the intended plot demands it - IE if you cornered Michel and asked him he'd surely give some mumbo-jumbo about higher-order causality and how you needed to go back to the 'true' beginning to stop the storm.
In this regard I suppose my point is another criticism of the internal logic rather than the intended logic. Still seems a bit weird there wasn't even a throwaway line to handwave it.
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>>180700085
What does she mean by this?
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>>180692882
very strong
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I really love max. Like i really LOVE her character. and i am so fucking dissapointed that Max will not be returning in LiS2. No, im talking talking about the prequel but the actual life is strange 2 that dontnod is making.
Max honestly made it right into my top 3 protagonists ever, and dontnod NOT adding her to the season 2 is fucking criminal. Whats the point of even calling naming it the same IP if it wont continue maxs story?
I want to see how max as a character develops after the game, about how she goes from shy teenager to adult hood.
They pretty much confirmed (although granted still very quiet about it) that >Maxs story is over.
Max still has stories to tell god damn it.
if dontnod goes through with this decision for max to be missing from season 2 i dont see myself carrying enough about the series after the prequel.
Why even build 2 games off of characters that arent going to matter anymore? anyone else feel this way?
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>>180702598
It's heartbreaking yes but they might ruin Max and Chloe with a potential Season 2 that has them again. It will print money but they have decided to go another direction. Plus they don't want to cannonize any of the final choice ending.
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>>180702598
I want to see Max grow up too. To see her become more confident in herself, to master her powers, to excel at her photography and make a name for herself, to inspire people with her work, to see her live her dream of traveling the world with Chloe, to see her eventually settle down and have a family with the woman she loves. To enjoy the life she deserves and has earned.
But I guess we'll just have to decide for ourselves the specifics of that stuff and whatever else since we won't be getting it from Dontnod.
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>>180702598
Yep. Max and Hamlet are my favorite protagonists I've ever encountered. I know it's a stretch to jump from LiS to Shakespeare, but they each excellently capture different parts of the archetypal 'observer'. Hamlet has his death drive, and Max her life drive. Hamlet has to deprive himself of Ophelia, Max has to allow herself Chloe.
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>>180702970
It's probably for the best. I'm not sure I could trust them to not just torture Max even more. Or worse, go full retard and write a continuing story for her but leaving out Chloe.
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What the fuck about this game garners 514 threads.
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Funny little thing I noticed: In episode 2, right after you have a chance to take a picture of the transparent deer, it leaps away. Trying to rewind it doesn't work (it just continues bounding away) and Max comments on it. ("What? My rewind power doesn't work on it?")
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>>180703424
This general was made possible by posters like you.
Thank you.
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>>180702970>>180703151


Im a bayfag but i do not care if the baegroup gets their ending canon. in fact id rather have them not make a season 2 if they arent going to bring back max.

Its sort of ballless imo for them to say
>oh well we dont want anyone to feel their ending wasnt canon
Damn just man up and give us a canon ending and continue the story like everyother game does damn it.
They really risk writing the same story with new character names, rather than letting max develop into a woman.
Plus bae ending felt unfinished to me, but unfinished in a sense that it implies a lot more open ending. we dont know who dies or if anyone dies the only thing we know is that ether way david is still alive and nathan and jefferson end up caught or dead.

I feel like i've been grasping a straws because ive been paying attention to what dontnod has been saying
>play as YOUNG max one last time
mmm maybe this just means this is the last time we will play as 13 year old max
>Max and chloes story we think has been told we want new characters now
Oh wait maybe this doesnt even mean anything because they said this interview was done in between episode 4 and 5 and this was at a point where they werent sure if they were doing a season 2.


The prequel feels like they are just cashing in on our feelings, they know people have strong connections to both chloe and max or one of the other and they are building the hype for season 2 off the back of max for those few people who dont follow every word dontnod says and think that max will return for season 2.
theres always a chance they could change their minds but i doubt it.
>builds a season off one character
>builds a season and a prequel season off another much loved character
>gets rid of both of them after building the world around them
Seriously dont even bother making a new season. or at least name the IP something different now.
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>>180696143
there was town that was swallowed by the sea in the 30's or something near there
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>>180704357
I don't think anything existed where Arcadia Bay itself is in the game. The town was obviously inspired by real locations but the specific spot on the map is in the middle of water, probably to avoid any conflicts or people flocking there.
Though I wonder if the Tillamook and Garibaldi areas have had any increases in business and tourism since 2015.
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>>180702598
There's just something about her that lets you connect so deeply. She just seems so human compared to other characters.
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YOU SUCK VICTORIA
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>>180704278
Max doesn't have autism!

But Dontnod is probably never going to come around and do what needs to be done. They see the focus of the Bae ending as Max and Chloe, which is entirely true but in order to tell how they are going to fare after the storm we need to know just what the storm did. While I believe most people, including their friends and family, survived, having no confirmation about anything just feels like such a weak ending.
Not to forget the imbalance between the two endings in length and content. Even just adding a few photographs to the end of the Bae ending to show some hints would have helped.
I fear that if Dontnod did want to continue the story then they would go from the Bay ending since it's what most people picked. If that was the case then I would refuse to even consider playing a sequel. The only option would be to patch the original game to have only one ending built off a third choice and use that to set things up for the sequel.
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>>180703319
I agree. Just thinking of those two possibilities just breaks my heart. It's for the best. Max and Chloe will forever live on.
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>>180704740
My girl knows what's up.
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>>180704997
They did have a 3rd ending at one point but cut it, you could save everyone and chloe but chloe would of been put in a coma, which honestly i feel that feels more fucking complete.

When i first saw the trailer for BTS at e3 i didn't catch the beginning of it, i tuned in around the time of the junkyard scene in the trailer
all i saw was a tall brown haired girl and though

Oh shit... is that an older max? Is that max having a melt down at the junk yard because she couldnt save chloe? They made the bay ending canon and are now showing a now graduated max dealing with loss and depressing and rage all while taking a bit of chloes style in order to honor her?
Oh shi... oh wait its a prequel and that was just 16 year old chloe. damn it.
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>>180703424
it's the power of Pricefield. Quiver before them!
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>>180705389
That 3rd ending was the original bay ending. From what everyone can fine, there was always going to be two endings. Chloe wasn't going to die in either but they figured the coma scenario was too similar to the alternate timeline so they changed it to Chloe dying, while doing nothing to change the rest of the story to support that. We see Chloe die and the storm still comes in Episodes 4 and 5.
Even then I don't think that hospital ending would gave been as complete. Not unless we saw Chloe wake up and some kind of epilogue of her and Max reuniting.

Since about halfway through the game, the only ending I saw was Max and Chloe leaving the town together. Maybe the storm would be stopped and maybe not. Everyone here knew the possibility of the final bae vs bay choice but wrote it off as being way too stupid to be done. It was the most predictable route and would have been extremely easy to convey, but Dontnod tried to make things appear more interesting by misleading the players. Which just pissed off those who were actually paying attention to things and thinking their vigilance would be rewarded at the end.

/lisg/ found images of the prequel before the news broke so the BtS stuff at E3 wasn't any real surprise, we knew it was Chloe and Rachel. There'll be that bonus episode with young Max and Chloe but that's right as Max leaves for Seattle so it's unlikely we'll see anything in terms of an ending to their story. Unless Dontnod does a complete 180 and becomes inspired/desperate to continue the story, we'll have to settle for fan art, fics, and videos.
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night
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i just fine this game

it's alright
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>>180706485
Ok
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>>180706485
Delete this
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>>180705948
I just want more max. Ever since i finished this stupid game max has been nagging at the back of my head, and i dont know what it means but i do know it means i mistakenly felt something towards a fictional character.

Dontnod needs to see the light. Chloe is a good character but why does she get all the fan service and another whole game? while max only gets one season a bonus episode thats deluxe only and then thats it?
Fucking Dontnod man.
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>>180696510
>>180696915
the thing is what happened in-game bad copy of the butterfly effect. eventually they followed their rules for tragedy's sake, but they didn't even be loyal to it.

however bayfags can't understand this because they haven't paid attention to it.

>>180696915
what happened in AU timeline was biggest fuck-up and foreshadowing that ending choices will not be make sense anyway. because game was completely ignoring what has Max changed in the past, such as ripping out some various photos, but storm was somewhat obsessed with Max's bathroom actions (and we know storm isn't obsessed with deleting Chloe from timeline because when she died in one of them before the storm, storm was still coming)
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>>180706302
Sleep tight
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This song makes me tear up sometimes, even after almost half a year. I'll never get over this game.

https://youtu.be/I-zQtYmFCb0

>>180707592
Well, I chose Bay for a reason, but my issue with the ending was that the main focus of the game was on Max and Chloe's relationship at the expense of explaining her powers or rectifying flaws in the narrative's logic.
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>>180708178
What reason would that be? You say you love Max but you did something that would kill her.
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>>180708178
you're not focused on time-travel rather than her girls' love for each other but you're still agreeing on bay endings' not making sense. eh, I'd be okay for that.

well we (at least I'm talking for myself) I prefer to discuss about time-travel no matter it was used as metaphor, no matter devs ignored rules, it was part of the game which shouldn't be ignored for tragedy's sake. I had two reason to avoid bay ending: nonsense of time travel, and it's possibility to coming back. Max's can't living without Chloe afterall those things are happened.
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>>180708178
Almost every song in this game makes me tear up when i remember the context, seeing the funeral scene still fucks me up. when i finished the game i kept waking up depressed and id went through 2 years of non depression, this game brought it back. seriously fuck and love this game. Ill always love max.
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>>180707212
>Chloe is a good character but why does she get all the fan service and another whole game?

She's the most compelling. Max was somewhat bland by design. Chloe's backstory is also integral to the first game and played a huge role in turning her into such an interesting, albeit tragic, person. There's no direction we could go with Max's character that would be as illuminating or interesting as Chloe's.

>>180708329
>>180708329
It felt right in my gut. I could spend plenty of time rationalizing it, but that's the real reason. Why the accusatory tone?

Max managed to live without Chloe for five years. I honestly belief she deserved some pain for alienating a best friend that was in so much pain.

>>180708463
Pfff. Good thing I have your approval.
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>>180708686
I grew to appreciate Max, but I'm still a Chloe girl. We would've been good friends in real life...at least I like to think so.
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>>180708686
Nobody's talking about how bad funeral scene directed I don't know at least they should've added speech or Max's inner voice etc. Only bathroom scene and photo focussing section recovered it a bit.
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>>180708740
ah here it is cuckest trannyfaggot.

why did I even take you seriously while you were relating Max with a fucking terrorist while defending bay ending...
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>>180708740
Fuck off retard
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>>180708463
>I had two reason to avoid bay ending: nonsense of time travel, and it's possibility to coming back
The content of 90% of pro-bae arguments boils down to this, but I don't even think it's necessary. For me, there would have been zero hesitation in saving Chloe even if every last nuance of the time travel made perfect sense and it was irrevocably demonstrated that 'everybody in the town dies now, or Chloe dies'
It's just an abortive self-effacement to play through the ~15 hour game, save Chloe over and over again, get to know her, and then throw her away at the end.

Whether half the bay, the whole bay, or the entire Western Seaboard, Max swears over and over again in dialogue, commentary, and her journal that she is never leaving Chloe again no matter the price.
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Funeral scene? There wasn't one of those in the game. Unless an extended bae ending shows Max and Chloe going to Rachel's funeral.
With Max comforting Chloe, Frank showing up, and then the three of them having a group hug before going to the junkyard to set up a memorial.
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>>180708740
I remember what you've said while defending Bay ending:

>Max is a terrorist

yeah. Now fuck off.
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>>180708740
>Max
>Somewhat bland
She's a way deeper character, she felt more human than the other characters, she has backstory written about her and hidden things about her, like how she has high functioning autism or even a 2.8 gpa, which says a fucking lot about her, her shyness and cuteness, also the fact they says shes "pure"
not only that but her entire personality is fucking great. Max is anything but bland.
She's one of the better written protagonists ive ever played.
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>>180709165
That's the ultimate truth of it all. Regardless the price, Max will save Chloe because Max cannot live knowing she let her best friend die in such an awful way.
She made the mistake of abandoning Chloe once because she was too chicken shit to call. She's back now and has more confidence and conviction, she will not make the same mistake again.
All the arguments about logic and rationality are just adding to that choice that was already made. That Max will save Chloe as she did the whole game because that's what her heart tells her to do.

>>180709174
Don't even waste your time. They say tons of stupid shit and then write it off as if they were joking. The only joke is how much time they dedicate to shitting this general up.
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>>180709042
>rage quits for five minutes
>no intelligent response

haha :)

>>180709174
Not my exact words, but whatever floats your boat.

>>180709171
That's a better ending then Bae got. Those three lighting candles at the memorial with Joyce and David standing in the background would've given closure and ensured the characters that were worth saving survived the storm.

>>180709301
She wasn't much more than a stereotypical hipster, minus the fakeness. Her shyness and cuteness grew on me toward the end, but I never saw her as more than a generic art student.

Her genuineness won me over by the end, but I won't defend her lack of originality.
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>>180709165
it's necessary while you are talking about time-travel, but yeah I agree. Max's choice would be on Chloe's side no matter what.

we're not defending it just because time-travel ofc, there are other reasons either. I mean how can someone think that Max'd be okay after Bay ending? moving on is not that easy especially if you'd been through magical things. the song they put that ending was foreshadowing ''not good'' things also.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Sahara_(song)

>>180709174
that was the only one of ''retarded'' things he/she said.
don't forget this :

>Chloe took Max to the pool because she was sexually activated (even though she embarassed af while taking her clothes)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CM5xZxI6nM
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>>180709515
>Not my exact words,
Did you change the past while I wasn't around,faggot? Because I can exactly remember the words you've said before.
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>>180709569
>>Chloe took Max to the pool because she was sexually activated (even though she embarassed af while taking her clothes)
Nope. Didn't say that.

>>180709896
>pic related

I wish Chloe was real so she and I could take turns curbstomping idiots like you.
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>>180709962
>Nope. Didn't say that.
Oh so you're denying it because you realized how retarded your theories were.

That's something.
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>>180709962
Shut the fuck up already. Jesus Christ.
You talk about others "rage quitting" but the second someone exposes your idiotic way of thinking, you piss yourself, start hurling insults, and try to trigger people with image macros you post every thread.
If Chloe were real, she'd kick your sorry ass for talking shit about Max and for wasting her and everyone elses time.
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>>180708329
Not the same guy who's been saying i love max but i choose the bay ending. Im a different poster.

I personally choose bay ending because it just felt the right thing to do at the time. I dont have an ending i like more but i will say the bae ending felt unfinished for pretty much the other reasons people said.
Although i do think the bae ending opens up the possibility of a "good" ending because we dont exactly know who's dead and who's not.
the bay ending has a little bit more power to it when i watched it.

I just wish they would pick an ending and have max in season 2.
If bae ending is canon so fucking be it. i wont fret. anything to have max in season 2.
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>>180710298
I don't disagree with you, but replying only makes it worse.
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>>180710407
>I chose bay ending because it was emotional
>I love Max
>but I choose bay ending
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>>180710207
Forgot about that dialogue.
Goddam Chloe is hella gay.
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So what's the deal with those steam sticker album thingies? Do we need to fill out a whole album to permanently keep it? What happens then? I just wanna know what I can do with that pricefield sticker
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>>180710298
>>180710448
Can someone actually let me in on what the hell is going on because im not familiar with the tripfag posters here.
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>>180710593
nothing important. we're shitting on some trannyshitposter
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>>180710448
I figure as much but at this point there's already an inferno so a little more kindling won't hurt much. Guess I'm the real "Line Break Anon", since that was the name Bayest apparently decided to bestow upon me, thinking I care about being known.
But seeing as how I've been getting accused of just about everything under the sun, I will say that's the first time in probably ten or so thread I bothered to actually click on one of her posts and reply directly. Though admittedly a few posts were made as replies but were not direct responses (No (You) so it doesn't count)
I just wish /lisg/ could just move on from this crap happening every thread.
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>>180710524
it was my first play through, im going to play it all again (even though i only need to play the last episode fuck it) and do with the bae ending. Ill stand by my thoughts that the bay ending is way more emotional and the bae ending is unfinished but i hate how much both endings hurt max.
If they ever decide to make an ending canon it i wouldnt care desu.
In fact if they confirm bae ending and confirm no one important got hurt that would be perfect.
(although corny)
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>>180710407
Do not forget that Max has all of her photos in the Bae ending. She can go back to multiple points in the week and try to change things for the better by saying that they need to warn more people or find some way to get the town to evacuate.
Max also keeps the butterfly photo in the Bay ending so it's only a matter of time until she does go back and save Chloe. Wouldn't be more than a few days though due to the way the autopilot Max works. Max wouldn't want to let tons of time pass between her and Chloe that she did not remember.
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>>180710207
No. I didn't say that. Unlike you, I don't deny who I am. The only thing I've said was a joke was Kate Marsh, Evangelical Republican, which is clearly comical in intent.

>>180710298
Nope. Piss free. Quite calm at my keyboard.

>try to trigger people with image macros

There is no try. Only do.

>>180710524
Wait, wait. Someone has a different opinion than you? Tell me more.

>>180710548
The hella-est.

>>180710859
>(No (You) so it doesn't count)
>pic related

>>180710912
>Ill stand by my thoughts that the bay ending is way more emotional and the bae ending is unfinished but i hate how much both endings hurt max.

Very much agreed.
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>>180710859
>I just wish /lisg/ could just move on from this crap happening every thread.
It's very easy. Don't reply, hide it, and if you want to go a step further, use 4chanX to hide any replies so you'll only see non-cancerous posts.
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>>180709515
>She wasn't much more than a stereotypical hipster [...] I never saw her as more than a generic art student.
I'm not part of the usual lynchmob that follows you around, but this is a low blow. Max being a 'hipster art student' is a surface-level reading usually relegated to offhand insults like Nathan's "tweemo bitch" or Victoria's "waif hipster bullshit"
Max is slavishly earnest in her interests and self-aware to a fault. She is a subversion of a pigeonholed identity, and you have to almost deliberately resist her characterization to reach the opposite conclusion.

It's extraordinarily rare to see a general like this where 'waifu'ing the protagonists causes outrage, and I'd easily attribute that to how far Max falls from the usual cookie-cutter dreamgirls one finds in media. Not the least of which her fairly railroaded queerness.
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>12-4
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>>180710912
Actually there was no enough effort for either endings.Probably you think bay ending is more complete because of heavily emotional situation,deludes you with its photo change session etc. But still not good enough for me.


>>180711086
>No. I didn't say that. Unlike you, I don't deny who I am.
Who are you then?
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>>180711059
This actually hurts.
Like i said 10x already, I just want them to have more max in season 2. if that means something like you said, so be it.
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>>180710912
>In fact if they confirm bae ending and confirm no one important got hurt that would be perfect.

well confirmed. it's up to your imagination:)

but presentation in bae ending saying otherwise. the damage that town took was saying, there might be loss but it's impossible to think EVERYBODY ded in that town. especially when you see diner didn't explode in that timeline.
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>>180711293
>Max is slavishly earnest in her interests and self-aware to a fault. She is a subversion of a pigeonholed identity, and you have to almost deliberately resist her characterization to reach the opposite conclusion.
I agree. That's what made her character endearing, but an earnest version of an often shallow cliche is not original or particularly interesting. The game did a great job showing she was genuine in her interests. Her dedication to Chloe proved her emotional integrity.

Nonetheless, her character wasn't that original or intriguing.

>It's extraordinarily rare to see a general like this where 'waifu'ing the protagonists causes outrage

It speaks less to the quality of the character and more the quality of the posters. /lisg/ appreciates the game and the characters.

>>180711487
They won't drop Max and Chloe. DONTnod barely survived one near bankruptcy. The team imagination lord will bring back Pricefield the second their earnings drop.
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>daily reminder that Bae ending had always been their the first intention which makes it more even reasonable and thematically canon.They hadn't changed it during development unlike Shit Ain't Logical (savebay) ending
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Behold Bayest's entire arsenal of shitposting and """comedy""""
>Chlotroll images
>The same five Grahamfield images
>Trying to force memes like using the word hop in spoilers or phrases lighthouse cock
>A handful of retarded copypasta that's hidden by spoilers and that you can identify just by the post structure
>Impersonating Kate and and Alice while being a /pol/-LARPer
>The same few reaction images
>Excessive Michel-posting and not even knowing how to do it properly
Know these signs, add them to your filters, and proper action when it's being spammed. Do not reply and don't bother with personal attacks that will solve nothing.
Keep /lisg/ comfy.
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Dontnod is finished if lis isn't about cute girl love. If they put straight up faggots in, or heterosexuals it's over. Post your worst nightmare for lis 2 cast:
>black 'WE WUZ' homo boy
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>>180711487
>>180711703
But I don't want them to touch Max and Chloe's story anymore. Their contuining their story means they will torture them even more.

Actually, I'm sure SE willing to do it since they are money-grubber as fuck. But sometimes you should leave things as they are, otherwise they'll become another Ubisoft just as their Assassin's Creed series. The more you continue the more you fuck up.
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>>180711917
y'know Mari had already influenced on Season 2.
and one of her wishes back then was, she wants to see two black niggas' banging with each other.
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>>180711917
A politically pandering story
>new kate character but is Muslim
>toxic guard is actually toxic
>Liberal guy is good guy
Pretty much if they do the opposite of what LiS season 1 was.
and if they get rid of max
.>>180711961
Its people like you that forced dontnod to not continue the story because they think they are being more artsy leaving an ending open. stop for the sake of all of us. please.
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If the prequel does well enough then SE may give someone the rights to do a Pricefield sequel episode or two.
But I'm not sure I would like that. For one, for as much crap as Dontnod pulled with the plot and time travel, they did also write Max and Chloe and create their awesome relationship. Another team may not be able to do that justice.
Secondly, I don't want SE to just see LiS as some cash cow and start making tons of side projects about it that result in more inconsistencies and drops in quality.
Thirdly, there's the possibility that a sequel would just say something dumb like everybody dies and then we see Max and Chloe act miserable. That's hardly realistic or fitting to their story.

For those reasons, I think it's best the story is left as is. As much as I want to see it continued, enough damage has been done. The integrity of the game has been shored up by its good parts and the open ending allows some things to be salvaged through use of the I-word, but adding onto the canon may just weigh it down and make the whole thing founder. Which would be a real shame to see the entire game ruined.

I'm already nervous (but optimistic) about the prequel, but I don't think stuff like that should become a trend. I think it's best to just leave it to the fans to create, discuss, and share how they think Max, Chloe, and everyone else does after the storm. At least I know a large part of /lisg/ can create good ideas or has respect for the characters.
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>>180712304
is that too late to ask killing yourself?
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>>180712304
No faggot, I'm not fan of endings neither but there's possibility that they may fuck things up even more. I'm saying I may trust Dontnod on contuining the story but if Square Enix influence them at some point which they always do for money's sake (which we'd seen with season 1) they will fuck their story up even more.

So their story should end with farewell episode. There's no need to dwell on it.
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>>180712560
What the fuck are you trying to type fag?
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Is Max an anti-vaxxer?

>"Last time I got the flu shot, I got the flu! Fuck you"
>"It's cool that Chloe is using natural medicine too"
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>>180711487 >>180712304
>le I want to see my waifu in next game
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>>180713005
You don't need to be an anti-vaxxer to call the flu-shot bullshit.
They base it on the wrong strain many times so getting it does nothing anyway. Also a lot of people get sick after getting it.
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This iteration of /lisg/ is fucking shit. You all should feel bad
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>>180713897
What are you going to do about it?
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>>180713897
Max certainly would be appalled
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Goodnight, /lisg/.
Tomorrow is a new day. Hopefully a brighter one.
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>>180714583
goodnight anon
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>>180714583
'night m8
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stop making LiS threads on /v/ you faggots
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>>180715423
Stop going to /v/
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>>180715423
At least we know that who's that faggot >>180712304
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>>180715728
Try again? I dont even know what the fuck ((you)) are talking about.
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Might be kinda gay posting this here but w/e
I liked the fact someone actually made WoW LiS cross over art.
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>>180716220
I like it too. Only tiny criticism is we know Warren plays a paladin because Max tells him to bubblehearth, and yet he's wearing warrior armor.

Though that armor is not technically class restricted so maybe he actually stole it from a more deserving warrior
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>>180703424
The reason this game gets so many threads is because fat virgins like jerking off to lesbians.
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Hey you, /lisg/, what did you buy during Steam sale so far?
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>>180717082
lewd pics are almost never posted though so that'd be a pretty inefficient way to jerk off
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>>180717452
>buying games
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Maxposting. That is all.
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>>180718709
>not supporting the developers
>being a parasitic millenial
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>>180713263
They get sick because that's how it works.
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>>180721054
comfy!
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>>180717454
lewd is not allowed here
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>>180722498
STAHP!
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>>180704740

I love that line from someone in the crowd
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>>180722498
DELETE THIS
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>>180723181
nice image, warren
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>>180723181
>even in the dreams of warrenfags where max rejects chloe, she still isnt kissing warren
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post your favourite fanart
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>>180723451
the absolute madman
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>>180723451
Anon! This is a blue board.
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>>180722498
oh fugg, is there an image uhh without Alice? You know I'm a swimsuit specialist and I can't really grade the last swimsuit with all that bunny in the way
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>>180724159
https://sasoriharem.tumblr.com/post/162194812879
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>>180723181
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>>180724379
Yes indeed, this swimming suit has an exceptional quality to it, thanks for the link
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>LiS wiki says "If Max prevented Kate's suicide she has a good chance of surviving the storm, as she planned to leave the town after her hospitalization with her parents on Friday morning"

Where is this actually said in game? Because that'd all but confirm she survives.
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>>180726454
Just out of curiosity, if the game did confirm without a shadow of a doubt that Kate dies in the bae ending, would that make anyone hesitate to choose it? Or would everyone still be 100% certain about their choice?
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>>180726454
I think in the hospital conversation Kate mentions that her parents are coming to pick her up the following day.

>>180726773
100% certain. Looking at the aftermath, it is unlikely that Kate did die, but I made my choice with the knowledge that everyone could die. It wasn't about that.
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>>180716495
It was a weird little self-indulgent nod to an old pala guildmate who farmed that set for RP, in early wotlk.
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>>180726454
Kate says it when she was in hospital.

>Cue_E4_3E_KateRoom_MeetKate_Kate_110="Was that subtle? You better take the pictures, Max. I’m going to be here for another day until my family comes out to visit."
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>>180726773
Honestly the game could confirm that Max and Chloe die from the storm too and my choice wouldnt have changed. I made the choice with the main belief being that further changes to the past could only cause more harm. Thats what the game had shown me over and over again.
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>>180726454
As I said before if we *can* save her in-game there's gotta be chance for her to survive. Also hospital wasn't shown in town's map in episode 1 (even though hospital ending was their first intention until episode 4) so it makes you think that it's out of the town.
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>>180726773
>>180727235
do you think that EVERYONE died after this presentation? I mean some of them could not manage it but I don't really think that no one's survived.
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>>180727953
At the very least one person survived to cover up one of the few corpses we actually see.
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>>180728098
>At the very least one person
>one
Don't make me laugh anon. Call me nitpicker,whiny or whatever but ending's presentation screaming like there are many survivors.

We're talking about magical storm here which was supposed to kill,delete town from the map.. but ridicilously this tornado is unable to blow away even this town's signboard, and some buildings were half destroyed the only worst damage was whale in house and even that house barely destroyed. In other timeline, where Jefferson shot Chloe and storm was still coming, there were more damage (diner exploded etc. etc.) in this ending if diner were exploded we should've seen at least some black scars or any evidence that showing that it really exploded.

Also Arcadia Bay is getting used to tornadoes right? There should be shelters,stormbunkers which Prescotts owns etc. I mean it's really ridicilous when someone's saying EVERYBODY IN TOWN DIEEEEDDD after this presentation or developers obviously failed.. Not denying that there might be loss but come on. You can't really tell me that there's no survivors after what's shown.
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>>180728098
(It was Max and Chloe)
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>>180728831
Yeah, dont get me wrong, I agree that almost everyone probably survived. I'm just saying if we take the absolute most pessimistic outlook on it, one person still survived. Theres no situation in which the entire town dies like bayfags love to claim.
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>Joyce
>David
>Frank
>Principal Wells
>Nathan
>Trucker guy

Who else will return in BtS?
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>>180728098
>one

Man it makes me think how arguing with bayfags is such annoying experience.
Their starting point is always "everyone died / thousands of people died. You are bullshitting yourself if you think otherwise!".
There is literally not a single reason to think "everyone" would die. Or even most of people.
If you look at the list of the most deadly tornadoes ever recorded, the death toll of the biggest one is 1,300. It's also stated that it levered everything on its path to the ground. That is very clearly not what happened in Arcadia Bay, so the LIS tornado, you can safely say, wasnt the deadliest tornado ever recorded in human history. In fact if you go over the description of the top 10 tornadoes, none of them sound similar to the destruction the tornado in AB caused.
Claiming "surely everybody died!" is just fucking retarded.
If we assume the population of AB is around the same as population of the town its based on, that is 5,000 people, saying 5% of the population died in the tornado is already stretching it.

>200 something people dead still makes you a murderer!

I'm not interested in disputing baby's first moral dilemma here, just wanted to say how the "everyone ded" narrative is braindead af. It requires you to assume everyone suddenly got mind controlled and started running right into the tornado to meet their plot required demise.

The final choice is "Sacrifice Arcadia Bay", not "Sacrifice everyone in Arcadia Bay to the Storm God".
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>>180729539
Not Kate.
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>>180729539
Max

for the last time
;_;
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>>180729546
It's also ridicilous when they say they did the morally right choice but ironically defending that one person's dying (and that person's supposed to be someone you love from Max's pov) isn't bad thing. One's live can be measured to them, right?
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SUNDAY MORNING
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>>180729981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1VY09TRpa8
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>>180728965
I am also not defending this just because I chose it. I'm neither endings' fan really, when leak anon gave us leaks, I'd already stated that my decision would be saving Chloe, no matter I'd get disappointed if baby's time-travel cliché theory becomes right. Actually I made this choice for Max and Chloe's sake I wasn't really looking much to that meaning.

But whenever people starts rambling about EVERYBODY DED YOU KILLED THOUSANDS i'm laughing with my ass off. Well then show me any evidence rather than imagination/and your stupid interpreation, and from that aftermath tell me that WHOLE people died in there. Because I really should be stupid to think ''not everyone'' dead from that presentation,right?
I'd totally believe if everyone's dead, if they added little dialogue or the scene where they showing fate of Arcadia Bay, for example in News/newspaper where they are saying no-one could managed to survive etc. but we only got a scene where they don't talk shit, where this poor presentation given. So I have rights to think,not everyone died, there are survivors..

Choice may say ''Sacrifice Town'' but the way they presented the ending was ''Let's ''pretend'' we killed everyone in arcadia bay''
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when we are gonna do more of these?
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Sorry Chloe, Arcadia Bay comes first. You're totally right. There's no way we can possibly be wrong about this. Even though we're safe at the lighthouse, I need to go back in time right now to let you die because suddenly I have decided to save everybody else and let you die. So I'm going to use my time powers, that is causing the storm, to go back in time again, to enter a point of time where I have already altered the past and already had the vision of the tornado already,to get rid of the storm. Even though 5 minutes ago, I said that I can't keep fixing everything when all I'm going to do is keep breaking it over and over again. Even though I already let the storm hit the town when I was in San Francisco and the primary reason why I'm even here is because of you, I care more about the people of Arcadia Bay now. Yes, I said it was destiny to save you but now I'm going to let you die and reset the entire week we had together in order to save the lives of people whom I didn't bother warning them about the storm.
Thank you Chloe, for teaching me life lessons that I didn't really need to know because I was doing just fine before I got the powers. I finally learned that I need to let you go even though we haven't talked to each other in 5 years before this week and I didn't even know it was you who I saved until later. Now time to save hicktown.
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>>180730828
When old janny is back.
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>>180730828
This was the last one. Hopefully we can have another when 'Awake' releases.
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>>180731068
>2 mins later
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>>180731106
Now I started to realize that tripfag was totally Toby mrfacepalm all along.
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>>180731068
>Sorry Chloe, Arcadia Bay comes first

>Max writes in her diary ''FUCK YOU ARCADIA BAY'' and ''Sorry San Francisco, Chloe comes first''
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>>180731106
>You can create different Max, she might even be a warrencuck

fucking kek
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>>180731396
He never left. Late Night Anon is Saul.
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GUESS WHO'S BACK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ZlOjFh_M
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>>180731840
You should've told me this earlier.
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>>180731869
>''life is strange theories was the reason i subscribed to this channel <3 can't wait''
>''BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE THEORIES I CAN'T WAIT''
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>>180731869
is this mari or stacey?
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>>180732638
That's Stacey in the video (the Chloe cosplay)
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>>180731869
FFS, new fags coming and coming. This was posted already 5 times, stop it.
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>>180729981
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>>180732218
u triggered m8?
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>>180735451
get the fuck out of here, stacy
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>>180735451
>Theories
>AKA: do some basic Googling about animal symbolism, look at WebMD for symptoms and immediately arrive at the conclusion that anyone exhibiting even one of them has that condition, browse /lisg/ for ideas
>Make tons of videos showing your "findings"
>Accuse anyone who offer a similar idea of stealing from you or not paying attention
>Act like you're some kind of prophet when one idea mentioned in a video turns out to be correct
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>>180731840
That would explain why Saul always changes the subject when asked why he's here
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>>180738064
>black Max

wtf
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>>180738064
what the fuck
There's so many things wrong with that.
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So blue butterfly definitely isn't a spirit animal rather than being icon of the game (just as illuminati symbol of prequel),foreshadowing events,endings' connection between Chloe.

Plebs are BTFO'd again.
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I just finished this game, and I don't understand something

Because Max kept saving Chloe, the storm was made to kill her, and the only way to stop the storm was to have her die? Or was it because Max kept fucking with time and that created the storm?
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>>180739148
Storm was always coming
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>>180738413
>blue-jay shows up
>''ITS HER SPIRIT ANIMAL OMG CUZ ITS BLUE''
>butterfly shows up while she was alive in bathroom
>''ITS HER SPIRIT ANIMAL OMG''
>butterfly shows up during shit ain't logical ending
>''ITS HER SPIRIT ANIMAL OMG''
>ask them then how do they explain its presence in here while Chloe was alive while it's supposed to be her spirit,or Rachel's guiding them by being spiritual doe,or why do we see non-transparent doe(s) in bae ending,or why it wasn't transparent if it has Chloe's spirit in shit ain't logical ending, or why the fuck we don't see any hints about butterfly in prequel
>*silence*
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You guys need more variation in kate pictures, i see the same ones over and over again, though most of the ones i have are low quality deviant art pics
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>>180738064
That's disgusting. I know a lot of awesome art comes from Tumblr, but then there's crap like that. Things that for some reason try to make characters more diverse but just end up being insulting.
Max isn't black (She's Irish, that's like as far from black as you can get), that's not Juliet, and Dana is not some buff Spaniard.
Fucking Tumblrinas.
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>>180739148
I'm warning you, nothing makes sense.

If storm was really wanted to get rid of Chloe, storm had to be stopped in the timeline where Jefferson shot her.

So, briefly, storm was somehow obsessed with Max's actions in bathroom and ignoring other fuck-ups in timeline. Storm was only coming to hit arcadia bay to restore its own balance after this bathroom action.
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>>180739148
>>180739258
>>180739625

>Max plays God with the lives of others, e.g. Frank, Frank's dog - no increase in storm/ extra catastrophe at the end
>Max plays God with Chloe's life - instant catastrophic storm coming to inflict >le consequence
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>>180711703
>but an earnest version of an often shallow cliche is not original or particularly interesting
>her character wasn't that original or intriguing.
I'm not seeing this in the first place. What 'good' character in existence doesn't consist of some identity or a subversion of identities? Beowulf is a warrior-turned-king. Stephen Dedalus is an effete intellectual buffeted by base emotions. Betty Elms is an ingenue. Henry from 'Firewatch' is a stoic broken in the face of midlife problems.
If one accepts that Max is a 'hipster art student' or some conception of this in the first place, I fail to see how that's any different from her being a tortured suburbanite, a carefree stoner, a melancholiac wallflower, or anything else. These are real people who exist in the world and can be found in every highschool and college in America.

The only character in LiS I would definitively call 'bad' is early Nathan, as he is a carbon copy of a media meme with zero basis whatsoever in reality - the schizophrenic rich kid who is cartoonishly evil and powerful and openly brags about buying cops. He certainly grabs attention, but it's hard to see him as a real person when his identity is an invented convenience.

>>180739529
>She's Irish, that's like as far from black as you can get
Funny you should say that, because 'Tyrone' is an Irish name (Tir Eoghain)
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The storm is the universe throwing a hissy fit because it's jealous of Chloe.
Sucks to suck.
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>>180739529
yeah. I love diverse characters but when tumblrhinos change already established characters to black/fat/trans and circle jerk how progressive that is I cringe.
Especially when they they change characters into racial caricatures but are too self righteous to realize they are actually being insulting.

Is Max really of Irish descent? I remember Chloe saying "you've got that Irish luck" to her once but I thought thats just some kind of saying.
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>>180739978
I mean everything else happened after she saved Chloe so those events wouldn't happen if Chloe died. But to say that Chloe surviving creates the same storm across multiple timelines is some bullshit. Especially when Max has visions of the storm before anything and when we're led to believe that a copy of the photo, taken after Max already saved Chloe and rewound time, is as effective as the original. Nothing about the storm makes sense which is why it should be ignored and treated like any other natural event- unavoidable and without blame.
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>>180740284
I agree how absurd it would be to say that Chloe's life is what causes the storm, I was trying to point that out with my post.
It just doesn't make sense why Max messing with other's lives wouldn't add on to the storm or create a second tornado.
And if it was true and if we assume Max retains her powers in the bay ending the she would definitely try to save lives again, would that keep causing storms? Unless for some reason the universe knew that she would be close to Chloe and that made the consequence of her life bigger and if it was someone Max didn't care about the butterfly effect would be a mere gust of wind.
Max would not be able to live with herself if every time she was faced with an option to save someone she'd have a binary choice in the end.
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>>180740245
Pretty sure she's Irish. The last name Caulfield and her father being named Ryan point to that.
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>after BtS, we will never see Max or Chloe again
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>>180740872
Anon, Ryan is one of the most generic male names and I'm pretty sure "Caulfield" is a Catcher in the Rye" reference.
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Pricefield and bae forever.
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>>180740976
Never say never.
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>>180741091
Both of those names are Irish though. At least in origin.
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>>180741101
AND EVER
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I want to see an episode of Max and Chloe in Seattle and Max's parents reacting to Chloe.
I bet it would be a lot of fun.
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Hey do we have a Discord? Can I get an invite?
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>>180742292
Little Max is adorable!
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>>180742323
no, we don't like newfags
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>>180742292
''Chloe, you changed a lot''
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>>180742323
it's not worth, LiS is rarely mentioned there
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>>180742584
Can you send an invite anyway? I don't have many places to hang out ;_;
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>>180742656
http://orph.link/discord
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>>180742292
How would Max's parents react to Max telling them she's into girls? Surprised? Telling her its about time she realized it and they've known it for years?

>tfw we'll never get a heartwarming scene where she tells her parents she's in love with chloe
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>>180742491
I'm sure their initial reaction would be pretty amusing but they'd see the old Chloe they used to know as well. Maybe a little bit of tension at the very start of things but everyone gets along quickly. Everyone's just glad the girls are alright after the storm.
Max and Chloe can go explore the tourist areas of Seattle since Chloe's has never seen them before. Max and Ryan can take Chloe to a hockey game. Vanessa and Chloe can find some kind of shred interest. Then for the holidays, both families can come together.
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>>180743196
Chloe doesn't like hockey.
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>>180742362
Max is adorable!

>>180743032
We really don't know much about her parents so all we can really do is guess. Though I could only see them ever being supportive of Max as they seemed to be throughout the game in their texts.
Maybe at first they'd be a little surprised that Max was with a woman and how Chloe looked but they know Max and Chloe were close and going years without contact probably led to thinking. Once they hear the story about the week (The stuff minus the time traveling, at least for now) they may understand a little more. My gut feeling is they really wouldn't care as long as their daughter was happy (Still wouldn't stop Ryan from giving Chloe some kind of speech like every father gives to their daughter's romantic interest)
We know even less about Vanessa but I think too many fic writers make her apprehensive, unbelieving, or just generally not happy about the idea of Max and Chloe being together.
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>>180743552
me on the left
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why are baefags so delusional to think that everything will turn out happy. it's not a fairy tale
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>>180743263
Does she ever say that?
It's got skating and violence. I think she'd enjoy going to a game or two, even if it was just to see Max get fired up.
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>>180743743
Seems more like you're being delusional and placing words in the mouths of others. Nobody says things will be perfect. Especially in the immediate aftermath of everything with the storm and when news of Jefferson becomes public.

By the end of the game we've noticed the characters attitudes changing, which are important steps towards solving the issues and that give hope that over time things will become better.
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>>180743743
ok Michel
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Complete the following:


Life is _______ .
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>>180743743
Theres only one ending where everything ends in a happily ever after fairy tale and it certainly isnt bae
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>>180744741
suffering
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Life is literally not worth it.
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Guys I'm so pumped for BtS
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>>180745662
same, will be my first time anticipating the next episodes with /lisg/, I'm looking forward to it
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>>180744741
worth it because of the good moments
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>>180745662
I'm not
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>>180746380
Why?
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>>180745560
>>180745006
i know
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>>180746215
I was with /lisg/ since some time before Ep2 and it was really fun for the most time.
Especially the memes and theory sharing.
Hopefully there's no Warren 2.0 in this game, the warrencucks were probably the single most annoying thing about /lisg/ when the game was being released.
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>>180746894
There were unironic Warrencucks in /lisg/?
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>>180746894
i wasn't around at that time. warrencucks existed? even /v/ hates him.
I could imagine the Kate vs Chloe wars.
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>>180746990
Yep, but there were much more trolling too
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>>180746990
You have no idea.
Until the 5th episode there were even people who were denying that Pricefield is real.
Kinda hilarious in retrospect.
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>>180746990
Yeah, this pic was mandatory in every thread
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>>180746506
>lacking the original voice actors for all the characters from the original game
>only 3 episodes long
>it's being developed by a literally who company and probably against dontnod's will

and it's a prequel, I mean there isn't really a lot things can do without messing up the future events
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>>180746894
I hope we don't get another Warryn type of character in BtS but Chloe isn't as kind, nice and sensitive as Max, so I doubt it will happen.
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>>180747582
>it's being developed by a literally who company and probably against dontnod's will
Who gives a shit about dontnod tbqh? Other points I can understand, to some extent at least
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>>180747776
Some guy trying to hit on Chloe and Rachel would probably result in a wave of insults at the very least.
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tfw i've never gotten this kiss in any of my playthroughs
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>>180748875
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>>180748875
Having it be bay-only is a nice middle finger to the players
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>>180748875
>>180749175

>"A kiss wouldnt be fitting of the tone of that scene so we didnt include it in the bae ending"
>"Totally included it in the bay ending though"

fuckin dontnod
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>>180749328
it was okay in bay bc that was the last moment they'd ever have : )
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>>180743743
Not all of us take those 'the storm barely killed anyone' dodges. Some of us paid attention to what Max says in the game and saw that Chloe was priceless ("no pun intended", as Max adds)
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>>180692436
Well not contacting chloe for 5 years isn't exactly a great thing to do to your best friend who's father recently died.
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>>180749710
It's not a "dodge" though. It's the realistic outcome.
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>>180738064
WE WUZ
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>>180749328
They could have worked something in. Having the kiss be right before or after Max rips apart the photo. Or jut having it in an epilogue after some time has passed.
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Actual chances we will get season 2 and have more max?
I may be reading into to it but god damn i feel like dontnod is teasing players,
>play as YOUNG max one last time

I want to think all the info they gave us is just implying we wont play as her but she may still have a key role in season 2. (not the prequel actual season 2).

I like to think dontnod is just throwing people off the trail but then again they are french so they probably think they are being clear about no more max.
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Even if bae ending never got a kiss it still would have been nice to get anything but a hand on Max's shoulder because I'm sure Max is just feeling so super right then.
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>>180741091
Well what about the freckles? She's pretty Irish.
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>>180750086
This. To say "nobody died" is a dodge, to understand that most people would have survived is based on how tornadoes are.
It's also a dodge for bayfags to say things like "Max would just be miserable and never be able to have a nice life with Chloe."
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>>180750537
dontnod arent the ones giving us more max though, so its not them teasing us
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>>180749163
icky vicky
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>>180750397
MAX
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>>180750613
I think the body language in the ending was nice for what it was. Chloe hugs and shields Max and then the both of them turn around and watch the storm. They know that whatever the find and whatever happens in the future, they're in it together.
The touch on the shoulder as they drive out of the town is just little reminder from Chloe that she is there, which is enough to cheer Max up in that moment as she looks out at damage she thinks she may have caused.
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>>180750654
Freckles didn't originate with Irish people. Max is just a white kid with freckles.
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>>180750686
There's also the few who insist that more things would try to keep killing Chloe or creating more disasters since the "universe wants her dead"
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>>180750654
I have freckles and there's nothing Irish about me. Freckles are a thing all over the world.

>>180750686
Yup. I'm perfectly aware there were for sure some idiots like the hipster kid who died because they wanted a tornado selfie. Maybe some people even just got into unfortunate circumstances while evacuating. That's fine. I don't believe it was Max's responsibility to make sure everyone survives. Everyone had their chance. Chloe never got a chance though.
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>>180750784
Vicky is not icky!
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>>180751169
I wood never have thought of that.
Looks good.
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>>180741091
ITT: people forgetting when Chloe specifically says Max is Irish in the diner
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>>180750773
yeah but could there be a connection?
Im just saying that could it be possible DeckNine and Dontnod are keeping sort of quiet and vague on max to throw people off the trail or do you think they are being vague in order to not disappoint?
Anytime they get asked a question about Max they seem to dance around the question and be vague, i haven't seen a "confirmed no more max after this"
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>>180751912
HA.

Her eyes are like Chloe.
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>>180752093
For reference
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>>180752093
No I specifically mentioned that

>>180740245
>I remember Chloe saying "you've got that Irish luck" to her once but I thought thats just some kind of saying.

That's not really conclusive.
Also even if she was referencing Max's heritage, Max is American first and foremost, we couldn't tell if the Irish thing meant her parents are Irish immigrants or she just had great great grandfather who was Irish.
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the rise of AmberPrice is upon us
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>>180752818
But we already know that no matter how much Chloe loved her, she betrayed her for Jefferson and Frank and who knows who else
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>>180752898
I'm reserving my judgement until BtS is completed.
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>4k people playing LIS right now

here comes the new waves.
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>>180717082
So, is LiS the western equivalent of shitty anime of cute girls doing cute things?
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>>180751378
That is important to remember. Regardless of the source of the storm, it's still a storm and people are capable of hiding from it or running away. Chloe is not capable of doing that in the bathroom because she doesn't know.
It's not Max choosing who lives and who dies, it's Max choosing let things go as they have been and letting everyone fend for themselves as they always have been. Max is not responsible for everyone in the town, she's responsible for herself and has chosen to also make herself responsible for Chloe.
Everyone has their priorities and there is nothing monstrous about that.

>>180752767
I don't think anyone was saying Max isn't American. She's American as a glazed doughnut cheeseburger (Sweet as one too). We were just talking about her heritage. We didn't hear her parents speak so we have no clue if they're immigrants or not, the thought of Ryan having a bit of an accent is nice to me.
But in all probability it probably was just a grandparent or even earlier relative of Max's that came to America.

>>180753019
There's no changing the fact that Rachel didn't love Chloe back and that Max and Chloe love each other. Sure the, prequel may make us sympathetic towards Rachel and like her as a character, but it won't change the outcome of anything.
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>Glazed doughnuts
>Cheeseburger

>Cheeseburger ON glazed doughnuts
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>>180754420
>There's no changing the fact that Rachel didn't love Chloe back and that Max and Chloe love each other.
You don't get to get so defensive everytime someone mentions Chloe/Rachel.
We don't really know how their relationship played out. Now we'll get context.
As for the outcome not changing, probably it won't, but again, until the story is completed there's a possibility there's a twist somewhere to it, so.
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>>180755406
Nobody's getting defensive, they are just stating the facts. We're going to get more context about their friendship and time together but Deck Nine has already said they're not changing the already established outcome.
Rachel and Chloe will be friends, and maybe at some point there may be a romantic moment between them, but it will not escalate into a relationship.
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>Implying Rachel wouldn't be the biggest shipper of Pricefield
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>>180752767
I'm pretty sure it's one of the if not the only time in the game Chloe refers to Max solely by her surname, so it seems pretty obvious the 'Irish luck' is a reference to it.
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>>180754420
>There's no changing the fact that Rachel didn't love Chloe back
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I FEEL NUMB
I FEEL NUMB
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>>180731068
What did max change with her powers before going into the bathroom?
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>>180756431
IN DIS KINGDOM
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It's interesting that chloe wears Max style wristbands in BtS
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>>180755707
Deck Nince also said it's a story about romance too , i'm pretty sure it's gonna be more than one romantic moment since they know their audience wants teen gay drama¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah as far as LIS is concerned, Chloe ends up with Max and Rachel is dead.
Whatever was between her and Rachel and how will BtS play out is yet to be seen.
But you know, in case it reveals something you don't like you can always scream "NOT CANON".
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>>180756501
since the first rewind breaks the rules as to how rewinds normally work, she has to take the butterfly picture again, so the one she uses in the end is a picture from after she has already done one rewind
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>>180756983
But that picture is taken in the original timeline anyway.
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>>180756715
I swear this scene has some bigger importance to the story
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>>180756501
Max wakes up from her vision in classroom ----> Max --------> Max takes the Butterfly photo (1)----> Max uses her power for the first time while witnessing Chloe's death reversing time and ends up in the classroom again-----> Max takes the butterfly photo (2)-----> Max saves Chloe

When Max photo jumps to sacrifice Chloe in the Bay end, she uses the butterfly photo #2
Which was taken after she already reversed time.
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>>180757564
But why would there be repercussions if she didn't actually make any changes?
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>>180757564
>----> Max -------->
oops
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>>180755707
>samefagging this hard
baka desu
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>>180757658
But she already reversed time at that point, so it was a change. She also repaired her camera and answered Jefferson's questions.
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>>180756967
There's nothing that can be revealed. Not if they're remaining true to the story.
At most, maybe they did do some stuff together which gave Chloe one idea and made Rachel realize she made a mistake and tried to back away from it. The choices about romance are just if Chloe will express them or not, it's not changing Chloe's feelings that eventually develop for Rachel. It's clear from the original game that Rachel and Chloe were not together but that Chloe did have feelings for Rachel, feelings which were not returned to the same extent. Also that Rachel did have romantic feelings for others (Though I don't think she ever actually cheated on anyone.)

The prequel is only going to show the beginning of their friendship so it's not like we'll know every single thing about them by the time it's over.
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Reminder that ONLY /lisg/ likes Chloe.
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>>180758514
Reminder to fuck off back to riddet
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>>180758514
47% of people who played the game and saved Chloe is all of /lisg/?
Wow. Why is it dead half the time then?
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>>180758584
leddit actually likes Chloe, as well as tumblr, 97% of steam reviewers, and of course /lisg/. Only /v/ hates Chloe.
>>180758740
It was 53% before EP1 went free
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>>180757918
I don't think she broke the camera in the original timeline but I guess she did change her answer for that question. Although, sense no weird shit is happening in the timeline where Chloe's dad isn't dead, we can probably assume that different actions have differing outcomes when it comes to time travel blow back. I don't think changing her answer to one classroom question would cause the storm to come around.
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>>180758856
Rebbit is 50/50 to be honest
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>>180758856
I didn't hate her during the game but people on the internet seem to be trying to get me to hate her.
Especially with shit like this >>180693852
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>>180758740
>>180758856
>>180758929
Even those stats dont mean shit on how much people actually like Chloe. Plenty of people who loved Chloe sacrificed her because ~its the right thing to do~

>>180759029
>letting others influence your opinion
>ever
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>>180759132
ya you right
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>>180758130
>Not if they're remaining true to the story.
Not really. I'm pretty sure we already had this conversation. The original game was really ambiguous about what really was between them. It's your interpretation that it was only ever unrequitted crush on Chloe's part and Rachel only had romantic feelings for other people. That's fine but that's just your interpretation. It's not a fact.

>The prequel is only going to show the beginning of their friendship so it's not like we'll know every single thing about them by the time it's over.
possibly, but that's another thing we don't really know. We know that 1Ep = 1 Day. But nowhere was it stated that all of these days must be consecutive days.
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Is the Bingo card finished yet?

Anyone have the latest version?
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>>180758886
She had a vision of the storm before she even got her powers OR met Chloe again. Nothing she does in terms of time travel has any effect on whether the storm comes or not (except in bay, which already has tons of plot holes and contradictions to the established time-travel rules)
>>180758929
Seeing most threads about Chloe on dreddit, people who dislike Chloe are the least uboated, most people agree that Chloe was at least a great character with her own attributes and flaws.
>>180759029
>Especially with shit like this >>180693852
I don't get it
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Reminder that Max likes Chloe. Quite a lot.
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>>180758886
If changing time is what caused the storm than any change should be considered bad, regardless of supposed significance.
If the universe really cares that one person lives when they should have died, then it would also care that someone answered a question they shouldn't have known the answer to.
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>>180759523
They're just such strong gal pals, nothing could break up their completely platonic friendship
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>>180759419
If Rachel loved Chloe back then Chloe wouldn't have had to struggle to find the words to describe what Rachel was to her.
There wouldn't have been any ambiguity because we would have known the answer. I'd like to see some arguments that support the idea that Rachel did love Chloe back, despite all her secrecy, and despite all of Chloe's vagueness and confusion towards who Rachel is to her. As well as towards who she was to Rachel.
Not trying to dismiss the idea but I simply don't see any evidence to support anything other than it being entirely one-sided.
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>>180759469
>I don't get it
It's a warrencuck
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>>180760264
Poor Max looks like she woke up from a nightmare. She should text or call Chloe - she'd rush right over and comfort Max to make those bad dreams go away.
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>>180760264
Fixed
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I hope the prequel has some flashbacks or dreams with William, other than him dying.
I want to see memories of when Chloe was happy and see more of William. He was a great man.
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>>180758856
>94% now due to the sale
>dropping "recent" from overwhelmingly positive to very positive

FUCKING GABE
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https://instaud.io/12JG
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>>180760695
Max taking the bullet for Chloe and surviving would actually have been a good ending.

My theory is still that its not necessarily Chloe's survival that triggers the tornado, but the lack of the fallout from her death. We see that Nathan shooting her leads to both him and Jefferson being arrested and a ton of other smaller changes. I believe those not happening are what causes the storm. This is even supported by the original hospital ending, where the storm was stopped and Chloe was alive but in a coma. Max taking the bullet in a non fatal place would have likely led to the same consequences as Chloe getting shot, and probably would have prevented the storm.
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>>180760069
>If Rachel loved Chloe back then Chloe wouldn't have had to struggle to find the words to describe what Rachel was to her.
>There wouldn't have been any ambiguity because we would have known the answer.
I don't see how her shouting "I loved her and she loved me" to Frank or her telling Max she was her "Angel" and that she "saved her from boys" was exactly subtle.
Or maybe you mean she should have told Max straightforwardly that they banged? Max is a friend she's reconnecting with after 5 years of not talking. Same-sex relationships are still not something you can just tell anyone about. You can tell from their interactions that both Max and Chloe are testing waters around each other. Especially Chloe with how she subtly asks Max about boys while hinting there are other options, how she dares her for a totally "joke" kiss etc.
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>>180761405
What trap is Max talking about??
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>>180761405
hmmm...a trap to distract Jefferson and arrest him?
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>>180761409
I actually think it has something to do with the Prescotts.
With all the hints from the game and cut content (Nathan knowing about the storm in the trailer) that the Prescotts are involved with the storm, what if the investigation into the Prescotts leads them to stop their activities? Would make infinitely more sense than whatever bay tried to imply.
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>>180761780
I don't remember that being in the game
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>>180762423
i think it's cut dialogue
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Life is Strange Arcadia Bay exploration game when?
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>>180761528
Chloe saying "I loved her and she loved me" sounds more like she was trying to convince herself. It's obvious that Chloe loved Rachel, but what's not obvious, and not likely, is that Rachel loved Chloe back.
Chloe is confident in who she is. If she and Rachel were girlfriends then she would have said so because it's something Chloe would take pride in saying. The fact she doesn't use romantic terms to describe Rachel says a lot.
Chloe tests the waters with Max because she's trying to get a feel and see how Max reacts. I have a feeling we will see similar attempts with Rachel but the results may not be as accepting as they were with Max.
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>>180763025
Maybe later
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>>180760169
its just really mean senpai
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I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE PRICEFIELD STICKERS YET RRREEEE
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>>180760069
>>180761409
Just played through 4 and accidentally hit one of the bad Frank endings. There was a line Chloe says in it that stuck out to me precisely because this has been discussed here over the last few days:
>"I loved her, and I know she loved me too"
Could be pure bias, but it's probably the most explicit claim of mutuality in the game re: Rachel

On a different note, is there any theory as to why when you visit the junkyard at night you start off standing at the train tracks and Chloe's car is nowhere to be found? Seems like a rather lazy slip-up for the sake of gameplay.
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>>180759672
But a person living when they should have died would logically have a greater ripple effect then a person answering a question differently.
>>180759469
So the game never indicates that Max's powers have anything to do with the storm except when it does, but that doesn't count?
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>>180763461
Same
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>>180761409
If the consequences like Nathan being caught are all that matters then Max could have done something like photograph Nathan pointing the gun at Chloe and then hitting the fire alarm. That photo would be irrefutable evidence as would telling the police about the location of Rachel's body and about the Dark Room.
We see that justice can be done without anyone dying, but the storm still comes.

>>180761969
Prescott involvement is likely. Either they were causing the storm or knew somebody was going to summon it for them.
Once everything about their crimes and corruption comes out then there's no longer anything they'd gain from the storm.
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>>180763461
>>180763604
What are they for anyway? I got the sticker but the page they're on is not fully filled out yet
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>>180763598
A change is a change. If saving a life is too big of a change then William would have died or some kind of natural disaster would have happened after Max saved him.
Chloe becoming handicapped is an example of the Butterfly Effect, but a storm coming because Chloe doesn't die is something without a name or explanation. It's nonsense.
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>>180763598
>except when it does
You mean from an OOC infodump from Warren? The game never linked Max's powers and the storm together prior to EP5.
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>>180761409
> We see that Nathan shooting her leads to both him and Jefferson being arrested and a ton of other smaller changes
Thats just what would have happened if Max never got powers, those aren't really changes. Also, that ending would still result in everything the player did being erased, which was the lame part about the bay ending to begin with.
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two things:

1) stop creating /v/ threads if it's actually you and not some /v/irgins

2) good night fellas
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>>180764127
it's bayest
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>>180763886
Saving a younger person would cause a greater amount of changes and would result in a larger butterfly effect.
>>180763948
After Max uses her powers to change something in a photo she always fast forwards to the point when she used the photo to travel back. The tornado hadn't already hit the bay once Max regained control, so there is obviously a connection.
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>>180763572
If Rachel and Chloe were an item then why is there no evidence of it? We see Rachel writing letters and leaving photos for Frank. We read a letter about how she's falling for someone, almost certainly Jefferson. A letter which was intended for Chloe, kind of odd to write your girlfriend about hooking up with someone else.
All we see of Rachel and Chloe is some photos they took together and a postcard. That's friend stuff.

Besides, if Rachel and Chloe were together (And not just Ex's, again something never mentioned) then Rachel explicitly cheated on Chloe. But those are not Chloe's words, when she learns about Rachel and Frank she says "Bitch lied to me, Max!" not "Bitch cheated on me, Max!".
Everything seen indicates Chloe and Rachel shared a close friendship and love like two sisters. Chloe may have wanted that to become more, but Rachel did not.
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>>180763268
All of this is, again, just your interpretation of the implied backstory and Chloe's character ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>180764619
The storm is not the Butterfly Effect.
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>>180764619
>The tornado hadn't already hit the bay once Max regained control, so there is obviously a connection.
That's the entire problem with bay, it doesn't make any sense and has tons of plot holes and contradictions, logically and thematically.
How many times has this conversation been brought up in this general?
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>>180764636
>Everything seen indicates Chloe and Rachel shared a close friendship and love like two sisters.
Oh boy, I can't wait to have this Pricefield 2.0 discourse here until December.
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>>180764735
Not really interpretation, just observation. there's nothing to suggest the two of them were ever together in a romantic sense.
If the prequel creates something to say they were then it is contradicting the original or they would have to do it in a way that Chloe somehow remains oblivious.
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>>180765142
She can't help it, Max is a natural fighter
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>>180764859
How do you know this?
>>180764860
So again, the ending doesn't count as proof because you said so?
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>>180764735
Rachel wrote a letter she'd wanted to give to Chloe in which she talks about her love interest and how they hooked up. If Chloe and Rachel had been in a relationship, we know it can't have been an open one, since Chloe flips out when she finds out about Frank. So the letter is not consistent with the idea they were a couple. Likewise, when asked whether she's ever had a boyfriend or something, Chloe answers "nothing serious". She would have naturally said if Rachel had been her girlfriend.

The game suggestion is that they weren't in an established romantical relationship. But they could have had something brief at 16, so BtS can still kind of go there.
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>>180765123
Yes, interpretation. Plenty of people interpreted Chloe and Rachel's relationship as romantic.
Your entire point is "it wasn't explicitly stated". It didn't have to be.
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>>180764972
People who were denying Pricefield were just closing their eyes and ears to anything they didn't like. That's where the crap like "Not MY Max!" or "Yurigoggles" came from to try to pair Max with Warren or someone else despite Max's own clear feelings on the subject.
Nothing wrong if people want to indulge in Amberprice but they shouldn't fool themselves into thinking it was ever a real mutual thing. Not without having anything to back it up.
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>>180765447
I mean, if the player makes the choices not to act romantic towards chloe and always responds to warrens advances doesn't their version of max feel they way the player says they do?
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>>180765259
>How do you know this?
Because we see the Butterfly Effect with what happens when William is saved. Realistic action results in realistic consequences.
The storm is something Max has a vision of before and that is still coming even when the action of saving Chloe in the bathroom never happened in the timeline where William is alive.
If the storm was specifically because Max saved Chloe in that moment then it would not be coming in the alternate timeline.
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>>180765275
Looks like heavenly rays are illuminating Chloe as Max gazes upon her.
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>>180765259
>So again, the ending doesn't count as proof because you said so?
What do you mean because I said so? I only said that the bay ending contradicts nearly all of the established rules the game sets up about time travel. If you want to use plot holes and logic leaps as "proof" that Max caused the storm, go ahead, I won't argue anymore.
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>>180765609
No. Regardless of your choices, Max's final diary entry is always her asking herself if she loves Chloe, and the nightmare is always about Chloe rejecting her.
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>>180765609
No. You can play the most pro-Warren game and Max will still have feelings for Chloe.
Even if you choose to kiss Warren it will immediately be erased and Max will hop right back into Chloe's arms.
Max's nightmare will still focus on the fear she's not good enough for Chloe and the final choice will still be about Chloe.
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>>180765259
The ending is not conclusive proof of anything. It could be a thousand different things that prevented the storm to come on Friday.

>>180765609
"Their version of max" will still deny Warren to come with them when he asks them to, she will still run into Chloe's arms and leave Warren behind without another word, she will still say Chloe is all that matters to her, she will still write in her journal that she feels more than friendship for Chloe, or at least wonder whether she does, she will still dream of Chloe being with others and identify this as jealousy, she will still dream of Warren as a threat. She will have still wrote that she wanted to kiss Chloe, that she sees Warren as a brother, hopes that Warren doesn't make a move on her and is disgusted by that possibility.
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>>180765385
It would have been stated. Chloe is an extremely prideful and possessive person.
If Rachel was her girlfriend, she would say it and say it.
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>>180764636
>Chloe and Rachel shared a close friendship and love like two sisters
Just like Chloe and Max.
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>>180765275
Max was never able to take that picture in Episode 1 since her camera was busted. I could see her taking a similar shot after they've driven out of the town.
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>>180766176
>>180748875
Choochoo. Sisterly tongue kisses.
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>>180765265
>She would have naturally said if Rachel had been her girlfriend.
Again, she wouldn't necessarily.


>>180765447
>Nothing wrong if people want to indulge in Amberprice but they shouldn't fool themselves into thinking it was ever a real mutual thing.
I think Rachel was a very complicated person who had a complicated relationships with many people. Chloe among them. And there's nothing in the game proving it couldn't have been mutual. I mean, yeah, it was most definitely not a fairy tale romance on Rachel's end but is it possible she loved Chloe in her own way? Maybe. It's definitely possible she had the same kind of relationship with her as she had with Frank.

Everything else is hopefully cleared up in BtS
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Rachel and Chloe are going to have a sex/make out scene and there's nothing you can do about it.
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>>180765715
So the point you made earlier is moot.
>If saving a life is too big of a change then William would have died or some kind of natural disaster
If the storm is still coming in the timeline where we save William then it stands to reason that a storm like that is just how the world responds to someone not dying when they should have.
>>180765772
What fucking rules famalam. You can't simultaneously argue that the vaguery of the information provided by the game means that its ridiculous to claim that the storm is connected to Max while also arguing that this same vague information can act as a list of clear established rules in your favor.
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>>180766460
She texts Warren that he has no chance with Max like 30 seconds after Max kisses her on a dare.

She'd mention if she'd had a serious relationship with Rachel.
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>>180766176
=\

More like Warren and Max.
>"Warren and I do have a lot in common, but he's like a supercool geek brother"
And that's if you accept his offer to go to the movies.
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>>180766460
>Again, she wouldn't necessarily.
Why? Your argument that she wouldn't be comfortable mentioning this to Max doesn't hold. She tells her about boytoys and that she crushed on Rachel. "Crush" being another pointer that they weren't a couple.
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>>180766127
you seem unnecessarily mean
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>>180766460
We will see in BtS but don't get your hopes up for mutual confessions of love or anything that could be seen as them becoming a couple.
At most, maybe a kiss or an attempt at one.
Rachel is a very complex person and I'm sure she did love Chloe in her own way but that was is likely not in the same romantic way that Chloe felt.
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>>180765884
>>180765609

I mean, if you do everything pro warren and anti-chloe, Max has that little moment in her diary where she writes "Chloe is more like a sister to me".
But then again I dont think she ever writes anything about loving Warren?
And in her nightmare, no matter what you do Warren appears as a hostile figure who is a creepy stalker to her and all of Max's insecurities focus on Chloe hooking up with other people and ditching her and Chloe being too hot for her.

So going by that, Warren in Max's mind is pretty insignificant no matter what.
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>>180766931
>So going by that, Warren in Max's mind is pretty insignificant no matter what.
And going by the game week too. She spends what, an hour with Warren at most during that entire week? And she spends most of every waking second with Chloe.
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>>180767076
I mean she just reunited with Chloe after like 5 years of not seeing each other and also almost saw her die.
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>>180766931
>So going by that, Warren in Max's mind is pretty insignificant no matter what.
True, doesn't necessarily mean she has the hots for Chloe, though. Point being, you as the player can play Max as a person who
>did love Chloe in her own way but that was is likely not in the same romantic way that Chloe felt
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>>180766543
It's not a contradiction. The storm is coming in every timeline at the same time, regardless of who Max has saved.

First you said the storm was coming because Max changed time.
Then people informed you that Max made changes before saving Chloe so you said those changes weren't big enough to cause the storm, only saving Chloe did.
Now I pointed out how the storm is coming even when the event you claimed caused it didn't occur so you shifted your argument to "That's just what happens when someone who's supposed to die doesn't" even though that time is five years after William was saved. Your answer to that was because Chloe was younger so that makes saving her more influential, which has no basis other than one you yourself made up.

You're showing no consistency in your words nor making any effort to offer explanations other than blanket terms like the Butterfly Effect.
No wonder you're defending the Bay Ending, it's like the literary equivalent to your posts.
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>>180767326

>I've never been so glad to see Chloe in my life. The second I saw her blue hair and that beautiful pissed off face, I kind of regretted not kissing her when she double dared me. Maybe if she had double dog dared me...
Quote from Max's diary even if you didnt kiss Chloe.
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>>180767326
Not really. Stop trying to use my words against me because your crackship of Amberprice isn't happening.
You can deny Chloe's advances but Max will still clearly show romantic interest in Chloe.
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>>180767326
She still jealously dreams of Chloe being with others, still wonders whether there's more than friendship between them in the end. And that's without going into all the subtleties of the glances and touches, the things she says out loud and thinks to herself (such as "my Chloe" and "I'd do everything to wake up next to you").
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>>180767701
Poor little rich boy
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https://instaud.io/12KN Awesome line
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>>180767701
There's nothing you can't handle after doing 80mg of proper speed
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>>180767593
>I know she wasn't mad I didn't kiss her... I feel like we're more family than couple... just a couple of dorky kids who grew up in a fucked up, amazing world...
Look, nobody's trying to take away the possibility of Chloe and Max being romantically involved. It's just not necessary.
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>>180766608
>>180766704
>Why
Giving Max a dismissive comment about boytoys is not the same as straight up saying she had a relationship with a girl. Her casually mentioning having a "crush" on Rachel sounds more like another test to see how Max reacts to the possibility of her having feelings other than friendship towards Rachel.
And with Warren that is played as a joke. It's not like she is actually claiming Max as her girlfriend after one dare kiss.

>>180766912
I'm not getting my hopes up for anything. I'm simply open to various possibilities. It's you who seem very concerned about the game not reinforcing your pre-concieved notions friendo
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>>180767986
Maybe to you it's not, but to Max it clearly is.
You can try to make her and Chloe friends but over time they would grow into more.
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>>180767986
>Maybe that's why I hated watching Chloe being so cruel in the nightmare, calling me names and trying to hurt me... I was surprised that it was like a physical pain in my heart. Is that the power of love... or friendship? I believe you're about to find out, Max Caulfield.

This is what she writes after that.
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>>180767457
I never said that the storm was coming because Max saved time. I was arguing against people who claimed that.
Your criticizing me by claiming that I am applying rules for time travel that the game never actually exposits while you do the same exact thing. Why do you claim that any change max makes after time traveling would cause the storm to come when we only every see the storm coming in timelines where Max has saved a life? Also, why did you even bother arguing that William should have died in some grand event like Chloe when you knew that an event just like the one that takes place in the first timeline was going to happen anyway?
Are you just attempting to obfuscate and select information circumstantially to create an argument?
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>>180766543
>What fucking rules famalam
Max cannot undo her powers when she photojumps back before she gained them. We know this from William's photo. Even if she jumped back to the moment when she gained her powers, the photo she used was the second one AFTER she'd already gained her powers, fucked around with the timeline in the classroom, and retraced her steps back to the bathroom. As I already said, nothing before bay implies that Max's powers are the cause of the storm, nor because Chloe didn't die in the bathroom. Whilst the theme of Chaos Theory applies to Max's decisions in cases like EP3's ending or her photojumping spree in EP5, in nearly every single timeline, the storm is an unstoppable constant, even in those where Chloe did die. If anything, it's Arcadia Bay's destiny to be destroyed, since Max is shown to constantly change the destiny of everyone around her all the time.

>You can't simultaneously argue that the vaguery of the information provided by the game means that its ridiculous to claim that the storm is connected to Max while also arguing that this same vague information can act as a list of clear established rules in your favor.
And you can't say the same for the bay ending, but not matter how "vague" the game is about time travel (which is, not very vague at all), it can't just bend all of it so it can shoehorn in a forced tragedy.
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ITT: Bayest tries a new tactic of trying to force Amberprice to displace Pricefield or promote Grahamfield

Result: They still get BTFO
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>>180768251
Yeah. And maybe she found out it is, indeed, friendship.
Why are you so adamant about there being no other possibilities than the one set you have chosen to accept for yourself?
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>>180767953
Wowser Max is so nice and wise
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>>180768339
Show me a timeline where the tornado destroys arcadia bay even though Chloe died in the bathroom.
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>>180768271
> why did you even bother arguing that William should have died in some grand event like Chloe when you knew that an event just like the one that takes place in the first timeline was going to happen anyway
Because if the storm is coming saving Chloe then it would not be coming if she didn't need to be saved.
It would have come a week after Max saved William or he would have died in some other way. One of the biggest pieces of "evidence" those on the bay side have is saying Chloe died multiple times that week, so why doesn't the same hold true to William? Both were saved by Max's power but only one is supposedly the cause of any problems.
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<<180768713 (You)
>reddit spacing
Into what has lesg turned into?
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>>180768713
How nice. You get fucking wrecked in an argument so you resort to shitposting and claiming people pointing out your stupidity are the insecure ones.
How typical. You can leave now.
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>>180768186
>like another test to see how Max reacts to the possibility of her having feelings other than friendship towards Rachel
First you argue her saying she loved Rachel and that Rachel saved her from the boys is not subtle, now you are saying she was so concerned about subtlety that she would straight-up not mention her relationship with Rachel when asked about it? She had boob posters and said she crushed on Rachel, Max was careful when she read the letter and when she told Chloe about Rachel and Frank being more than friends. Chloe knew that Max knew that Chloe was into Rachel. She had no reason to on the one hand say Rachel is sexy and that she loved her, and on the other lie about not having been in a serious relationship with her.

Sounds like you are a BtS writer in damage control. As I've said, they could have been in something briefly, prematurely romantical during that period, but in the years afterwards? Sorry, LiS clearly suggests otherwise. The LiS suggestion if anything is that Rachel is straight as an arrow. Who the hell has someone like Chloe, and a caring relationship with her... but still goes for guys like Frank and Jefferson (and writes Chloe about fucking the latter)?!

>>180768553
They love each other. You can choose to interpret this as a sisterly love, but to me it's clear that it is always more than that. From Chloe's side certainly, and Max also always expresses romantical interest in Chloe.
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>>180769085
>don't be a fucking retard.
Follow your own advice, dipshit.
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<<180769085
>he accidentally reveals his newfaggotry
Pottery
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>>180768925
You being incapable of understanding other people's interpretation is just as valid is not what I would call me getting wrecked.
As for the insecurity, well, it's true.
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>>180768694
The one that isn't filled with plotholes.
Are you just ignoring all of bay's fallacies? The obvious contradictions to the rest of the game, just because the storm didn't come in bay? The storm still comes even when Chloe is killed by Jefferson, or when Chloe is on her death bed. But it only counts when Chloe dies right then in the bathroom at a specific point in space-time right? That the universe is satisfied and doesn't send a giant tornado, that's the only thing binding the storm?
Ok.
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>>180769465
>other people's interpretation
It isn't matter of interpretation and the game is an RPG. Fuck off
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>>180768786
>Because if the storm is coming saving Chloe then it would not be coming if she didn't need to be saved
this is not english
>but only one is supposedly the cause of any problems
Obviously not because the storm is still coming if we save william.
>so why doesn't the same hold true to William?
I guess the time fuckery double moon end of the world stuff only every happens after Max discovers her powers. And before you point towards the car crash as an example of supernatural repercussions before that point, we have no evidence that shows the crash was anything besides an unlucky tragedy.
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>Rachel and Chloe were in a romantic relationship
There's no evidence of this in the real game
>Yes there is. It's just not said.
So what is the evidence?
>Chloe says she loved Rachel and Rachel loved her
Okay but why would Chloe not use a more definite term saying that Rachel and her were dating or whatever?
>Because it doesn't need to be said
Chloe would say it if it were true because that is her type of personality
>Your interpreting things how you want to see them
*posts evidence suggesting Chloe and Rachel were not together in a romantic sense or that Rachel would be cheating if they were*
>Fuck you you're just insecure something is threatening your precious Pricefield I hope we see a full on sex scene between Rachel and Chloe
>More shitposting and insults

All said while ultimately making their allegiance clear, that they want Chloe out of the picture because they're delusional enough to think that would somehow make Max pursue Victoria.
Who's becoming hostile because their ship is threatened now?
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>>180769696
The storm is coming five YEARS after saving William. Why would it only come a WEEK after saving Chloe?
The action in both cases is saving a life that was originally supposed to end. Why the disparity?
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Faggots arguing about pointless shit again. Just play the game again and wait silently for the new ones.
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>>180769578
Obviously yes because that is what happens. The timeline where Chloe dies in the junkyard still deviates from the original timeline to the point where the disaster takes place. If the storm was just destined to happen, or if it was unrelated to Max's powers then it would have already destroyed arcadia bay in the bay ending and your bitching does not change that. You can say that the bay ending wasn't good as far as story telling goes. I would agree with you. But that doesn't prove that the storm was unrelated to Max's powers.
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>>180769705
>they're delusional enough to think that would somehow make Max pursue Victoria
Where does this come from now?
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>>180770060
A now deleted post.
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>>180769834
The game never gives us an explanation, but you already knew that. If you want a logical explanation for the writer's choice to make the storm an ever present danger throughout the story until the end, then its probably because of the difference in age, or because whatever force is reacting to Max's use of her powers is aware of Max and is directing the storm in a way that she will be forces to witness it. Or, maybe this force also experiences the "fast-foward" effect that Max experiences after changing things using photos, and Max is giving god a migraine every time she uses her power. The fact that the game never gives us a clear reason for why the storm acts the way it does doesn't really disprove the relationship between the storm and Max's powers.
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>>180769128
>First you argue her saying she loved Rachel and that Rachel saved her from the boys is not subtle, now you are saying she was so concerned about subtlety that she would straight-up not mention her relationship with Rachel when asked about it?
Yeah, it's not mutually exclusive. The first thing you mentioned wasn't said to Max. For the other, someone beating around the bush enough for another person to understand but not being confident enough to be straightforward about their feelings isn't exactly something uncommon.

I'm not really into repeating myself over and over and I don't particularly feel the need to force you to see the ambiguity of what was between Chloe and Rachel the same way as I do, so I guess we'll see who was closer to the truth after BtS is done.
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Looks like they win again.
They *can* keep getting away with it!
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>>180770054
So you are just in fact shoving all of bay's discrepancies aside as just poor storytelling and only using one of them, Chloe's death erasing the storm, as proof that the storm is related to Max's powers. Not only is "Chloe dying in the bathroom stops the storm" unrelated to "Max's powers cause storm", but both of them are unfounded based on the rest of the game. If you seriously believe that Chloe's death lifted the curse and stopped the storm, despite mountains of evidence against it, then sure, I'll stop my "bitching", because you're basing your entire argument around a clear plothole.
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>>180771089
> Chloe's death erasing the storm, as proof that the storm is related to Max's powers
This is an actual thing that you chose to type.
>Not only is "Chloe dying in the bathroom stops the storm" unrelated to "Max's powers cause storm"
How about this: Max's use of her powers to save Chloe is what caused the storm.
You also talk about mountains of evidence, but only refer to one instance of Chloe dying after Max had already saved her and changed the original timeline.
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>>180771089
> If you seriously believe that Chloe's death lifted the curse and stopped the storm
Not that anon but I mean, that's clearly what's happening as Max fastfowards to a timeline where tornado is not there anymore.
That plus I'm pretty sure Michel confirmed nothing more will be happening after the endings. Just like they confirmed nothing else is going after Chloe and Max in bae, contrary to what bayfags like to claim.
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>>180771540
Guess the tornado god was satisfied with Warren's blood.
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>>180740017
>What 'good' character in existence doesn't consist of some identity or a subversion of identities?
And more than that, isn't that what "good" characterization strives for most of the time, to create "real" characters? I'd argue the type and extent of admiration these particular characters (and foremost the two main characters) have received is testament to their authenticity. Real people are not the devices of a narrative, they are volatile and dynamic. I'd argue creating fictional characters to such authenticity as happened here is compelling characterization in itself.

And that's regardless of Max's specific character that I do take to be compelling and original. For one thing, her emotional reservedness - if in part by-product of the game format - is something I've only rarely seen be translated this believably in a character, in fiction. It gives her a wisdom that is natural, not an aphoristic superhero wisdom, but a raw and human wisdom that makes one appreciate this quality in her person, and care about her opinion and reactions very deeply and personally. If her thoughts, tendencies, opinions, reasons, feelings and so on weren't interesting to me, I couldn't have enjoyed the game. It was through her and through my interest, respect and admiration for her that I appreciated the story, which is her story. If I didn't find her interesting, didn't care about her, found her to be a boring or unoriginal character, I wouldn't have cared about the story. Why would I? She had to be an interesting, engaging and original character or otherwise I wouldn't have felt her side of the story (which is really the story altogether) to be as fascinating and enchanting as I did. She couldn't have felt like a real person to me if she were indistinct and unoriginal. Then she would have felt like a narrative device. Her fate wouldn't concern me so deeply. The entire thing altogether wouldn't have stuck with me this lastingly if her perspective wasn't at all compelling.
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>>180771540
That's the one point where both sides his a stalemate. Chloe's death is the end of the storm, unless presumable Max does use her power to change something again.
Just as you pointed out that the storm is the end after it happens, though as we've seen Max can probably use her power if she wants without anything like it happening again.
There's still the undeniable point though that Max would never voluntarily let Chloe get killed. So that precludes the Bay ending from ever even happening so all the plotholes in such a scenario are moot points anyway.
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>>180771780
So its canon that Max lets a bunch of people die so that she can eat Chloe's pussy?
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>>180771421
>80's LiS
>set in 1983
>soundtrack is from Kill 'em All
>Chloe is a thrash kid
80's LiS when
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>>180771421
that would be a neat idea.
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>>180772020
yeah
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>>180772286
hot
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>>180770946
>so I guess we'll see who was closer to the truth after BtS is done.
BtS will deal with a period of a couple of days when they were 16 and first met. As I've said, it's not impossible there was a fling there.

And depending on how respectful it deals with the original, I and many others will be hesitant to take BtS as "truth". Don't get me wrong, I'm relatively optimistic it will be pretty respectful... but to me, suggesting something like Rachel and Chloe had been in an established romantical relationship throughout the years is blatantly inconsistent with the original. I really can't see how you can ignore all that's there to suggest they weren't. I still don't t all understand why you think Chloe wouldn't mention this to Max. Hell, that would mean they were still together and Chloe would be concerned about cheating on Rachel... but she would totally ogle Max and flirt with her and kiss her and say she's not Rachel's groupie?

It just does not make sense that they would have been a couple.
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>>180772020
>lets a bunch of people die
She does no such thing. Anyone who dies, dies as a result of the storm. Just as some people who get caught up in tornadoes do in real life.
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>>180772149
>LIS Set in 80s with Joyce as the main character
>your goal is to save William from car crash incident
>its later revealed Joyce made a pact with native spirits to get powers and the price was the life of her firstborn
>it all connects
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>>180772925
If you have the means to prevent something from happening and you allow that thing to happens it means that you let that thing happen.
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>>180773110
well i guess the price is right
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>>180773135
There are people dying right now and that need organs. Better go give them yours.
Come on, don't be selfish and let a bunch of die because you want to keep living.
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>>180771402
So you mean
>Max having a clear vision about the storm before anything happens in the game at all doesn't count
>Saving William is ok with the universe
>Saving Kate is ok with the universe
>Saving Victoria is ok with the universe
>Sean Prescott naming the dark room the "Stormbreaker" is just a red herring
>Sean Prescott sending a cryptic email to his son stating that Arcadia Bay is about to "have a fucking enema" has nothing to do with the storm
>Nathan's line in the trailer about how "the storm is coming and you're all going to die" doesn't count
>Max and Chloe definitely have enough substantial proof that letting Chloe die would just fix everything, not because they were going off a hunch from a high schooler who gets B-'s in basic chemistry.
Wow fuck, you're right, I guess bay makes so much more sense now.
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>>180773135
Wait, so you're saying they saw the bay ending and were 100% sure that killing Chloe would stop the storm? Wow, Max and Chloe are so selfish.
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>>180773110
This is sort of what I suspect happened with Rachel if she had powers. She saved Chloe much like Max did and then started getting visions of stuff.
She tried to distance herself from Chloe so fate could take it course and Rachel wouldn't feel too sad when Chloe died, but then she started getting attached to Chloe. So her next plan became get out or Arcadia Bay before the storm hit. Rachel eventually met her own end and was no longer able to save Chloe when trouble appeared again so she gave her powers to the one person who could. Rachel never got to the point where she had to make the choice but Max did get there.
Once the storm has come then balanced is restored, at least according to the game's logic.
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>>180773228
So you aren't denying that Max let all those people die for her own personal happiness?
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>>180771421
I really want the next game to take place in the 50s. Though I'll admit i'm pretty biased since I like the general feel of that time, it'd still be cool. And if they'd want they can easily do the deconstruction of the time.
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>>180773330
You're personal interpretation of that vision is not evidence
The storm still comes when we save William
We never see a timeline where Kate is directly saved by Mac through the use of her powers where Chloe has not already been saved
Victoria does not die in the no powers timeline
The sean prescott storyline was cut due to lack of funds
>>> >>180771540

But ya, its justifiable that the characters might have considered thier plan to stop the storm a gamble just like >>180773550 said. Even though they would be wrong.
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>>180773584
The artist who drew >>180771421 made a 50s-60s LiS AU as well, though I can't find it
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>>180773564
I already explained why Max is letting no one die.
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>>180774619
I mean your denial of reality doesn't really make you right but ok
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>>180771540
>Not that anon but I mean, that's clearly what's happening as Max fastfowards to a timeline where tornado is not there anymore.
Maybe Nathan getting arrested on Monday stopped the storm. Maybe the restored flight path of the butterfly did. Maybe the firealarm not going off did. The ending is not conclusive proof that it was about Chloe.

>>180773135
If you would risk your own and other people's lives in trying to prevent that thing, you are not wrong to let it happen. Legally, morally. Especially when you don't even have good reason to believe you can prevent it.

I'm not really on-board with all these logistical arguments, and it's pretty obvious that the story wants it to be tied to Max's saving of Chloe for its own reasons, but those arguments are still valid. If someone choose to not sacrifice Chloe because the story didn't convince them that that would prevent the storm, that is completely valid. Especially because there's a dozen giant risks attached to that choice. As Max has learned, messing with the past can have unforeseeable, terrible consequences. Who says she wouldn't have made things worse? Who says she herself couldn't have died in the process? Nathan flipping out and killing her? Her auto-self killing herself after the realization that she didn't do anything and let Chloe die? Jefferson killing her because Nathan doesn't mention him? Kate, Joyce, David, Frank, Victoria, Nathan? All very reasonably in danger in such a timelime. Even without any of the significant narrative, thematical, character, emotional or even moral reasoning, there are arguments to be made against going back just on that basis of lacking logistical support in the story for it.

>>180773564
Max refused to let a human being die.

If someone asked you to sacrifice your mother to apparently magically stop a storm from hitting a town, would you call your refusal a selfish fulfilling of your personal happiness? How inhumane, to yourself, and your mother.
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>>180773584
I want to see rebellious punk dykes, and an alternative free-wheeling Max.
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https://youtu.be/KN4H-JMOxkY
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>>180774729
>Denial of reality
AKA the basis of the Bay ending
Just because people don't buy into that disaster does not mean you will guilt them by thinking Max did something wrong by saving Chloe.
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>>180774729
You agree that Max's powers aren't directly linked to the storm, but you think Max using her powers to save Chloe is. How could they possibly know what you know? If Chloe dying in the bathroom really did stop the storm, how could they come to that conclusion? It's metagaming.
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>>180775181
>I just wanted to fulfill my dreams and be happy Guts
>Can't you see how inhumane I would have to be to myself to have not sacrificed all those people

Also, Max keeps the butterfly picture, so there isn't any risk of not being able to go back if the storm still comes despite Chloe's death.
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Think of what would happen if you brought Max into a courtroom and tried to put her on trial for killing anyone with a storm.
You wouldn't be able to prove it and the defense would have more than enough evidence to establish plausible deniability and innocence of the accusations.
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>>180775512
>>180775580
>Oh hey I used my time manipulation superpowers to save somebodies life then a bunch of weird shit started happening and two moons appeared in the sky and a super storm I saw in a vision is coming to hit the town where I saved this person
>I bet these events that no person has ever seen before or are extremely rare all happening in the same place are completely unrelated
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STOP USING REAL WORLD LOGIC YOU FUCKING RETARDS. ITS NARRATIVE FACT THAT HER POWERS ARE LINKED TO THE STORM. YOU CANNOT ARGUE THAT. IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU BUY IT OR NOT.
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>>180775626
>Can't you see how inhumane I would have to be to myself to have not sacrificed all those people
You are again completely dismissing the fact that Max sacrifices Chloe. Or, so what you are saying is your argument boils down to the old "multiple lives are worth more than one life".

>so there isn't any risk of not being able to go back if the storm still comes despite Chloe's death.
Did you read the risks part? Max could even die in that timeline. Just because she has the butterfly photo in that moment doesn't mean she can be sure she's going to have it later on or be able to use it.
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>>180775626
>Max keeps the butterfly picture, so there isn't any risk of not being able to go back if the storm still comes despite Chloe's death.
Why would Max ever let Chloe die in the first place? She has no reason to nor want to.
Even if it's reversible, it's a dumb thing for her to do.
Now you're arguing that it's okay to do something stupid as long as you know you can get your way out it.
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>>180775751
I'm going to go into my room and start writing down the names of every person who's real name I can find on facebook in a deathnote. I'm morally justified because no one could ever prove that I did it.
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>>180776060
>>180776001
>multiple lives are worth more than one life
Literally this.
You are both horribly selfish and should never be placed in a position of power or responsibility. The fact that you can't understand the moral reasons for why a person should take steps to defend the lives of as many people as possible physically revolts me.
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>>180775939
>Oh hey I had visions of this storm before ever doing anything or knowing I had a power
>Oh hey these same events are happening in multiple timelines despite very different circumstances
>Oh hey my art teacher killed Chloe in a junkyard but the storm is still coming
>Oh hey I busted the criminals in a different way before Chloe was ever going to be shot but the storm is still coming

>Clearly this means that letting Chloe die would stop the storm
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>>180776090
Whatever, Light. Just don't fall for the first bait laid out for you this time.
You're equating knowing you're harming someone with letting things run their course. They are entirely different.

>>180776435
Why are you still typing? Your organs can save multiple people! It's only one life vs many! Go!
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>>180776435
So not letting one person die to potentially save the lives of multiple people is physically revolting to you?

I wonder how you live your life, in modern society, where it is ethically and legally an established concept that one life is not worth more than multiple lives. We do not harvest organs of one person to save two. We do not take down abducted passenger planes. We are not legally or otherwise oblidged to risk our lives or that of others in order to try and save that of yet others.

>>180775939
>have vision of storm, alone
>save someone
>have vision of storm, with said someone
>hmm, I should kill that someone, then the storm won't come
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>>180776496
>Oh hey I had visions of this storm before ever doing anything or knowing I had a power
This supernatural occurrence has nothing to do with the other supernatural occurrence I've been facing this week said max
>Oh hey these same events are happening in multiple timelines despite very different circumstances
>Oh hey my art teacher killed Chloe in a junkyard but the storm is still coming
>>180775626
>Max keeps the butterfly picture, so there isn't any risk of not being able to go back if the storm still comes despite Chloe's death.
>Oh hey I busted the criminals in a different way before Chloe was ever going to be shot but the storm is still coming
Meaning she still saved Chloe using her powers, just in a different way
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>>180776835
>This supernatural occurrence has nothing to do with the other supernatural occurrence I've been facing this week said max

>These two things are related, therefore, killing Chloe will stop the storm said max
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>>180777073
Good one, Gould.

Got me to save one this time.
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>>180776835
Aside from that last part of that, I have no clue what you're trying to say.
Yes, Max saves Chloe with her power by going into her class photo and texting David. But she has already seen that even when Chloe is dead the storm is coming so she wouldn't be thinking in that moment the two were linked together. All she would know was she needed to report Jefferson's and Nathan's crimes and save Chloe.
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>>180777073
kudos. cute!
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>>180777073
Oh. So he's going to be making those again.
At least that one is kind of cute so credit where credit is due.
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>>180776758
>>180776776
>You're equating knowing you're harming someone with letting things run their course
You are actually just a bad person
>Why are you still typing? Your organs can save multiple people! It's only one life vs many! Go!
I didn't cause the organ failure which was afflicting these people in the first place.
>We do not take down abducted passenger planes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/03/us/us-practices-how-to-down-hijacked-jets.html?mcubz=0
You may not be legally obligated but that doesn't mean you aren't a coward, or that someone wouldn't be justified in their anger towards you for allowing their family member to die.
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>>180772556
I never said they were in an established stable relationship since they met until Rachel disappeared where they were calling each other girlfriends and planning marriage. Sometimes human relationships are much more complicated than that.
To me I always looked at her relationship with Chloe the way her relationship with Frank was. Especially how these two are pitted against each other as two people jealous over Rachel's affection to the other. I don't think there was ever something "official" between her and Frank either. Enough for him to fall in love, but I don't think anyone around him including himself would say Rachel was his 'girlfriend'. You hear Nathan mocking the idea that Rachel actually loved him. You could substitute Chloe for him, the only difference between them is in Frank's case we have pretty heavy implication they actually banged but in Chloe's case there's only her mumblings to Max about being saved from boys and crushing.
As for Chloe "cheating", well at that point its also half a year after Rachel disappeared and Chloe herself is starting to lose hope she will ever find her (with how she has to correct herself into not speaking of Rachel in past tense, for example)
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>>180777480
>Blah blah blah muh morality blah blah utilitarianism blah
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>>180777190
She saved chloe and then the world started falling apart
>>180777257
It really isn't that great of a step in logic to argue that saving someone with your ability to travel through time, there by meddling with the fundamental laws of our universe to a grand degree might have adverse effects later in time. Did neither of you really ever think for a moment while playing the game that saving chloe might have been what caused the all the supernatural disturbances? The foreshadowing was anything but subtle.
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>>180777661
I actually do not understand what argument you could have against the concept of morality.
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>>180777887
She did not think it was saving Chloe that caused the storm, but meddling with time travel like you said, for which she would not be able to undo due to her losing the first photo.
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>>180777887
>Did neither of you really ever think for a moment while playing the game that saving chloe might have been what caused the all the supernatural disturbances?
Of course not. Everyone here thought it, and said it was retarded because the game was showing us precisely the opposite.
That's where the backlash towards the ending comes from. It was clear what they were trying to do but they tried too hard to make it look more interesting and so they pretty much lied to the players until the very end. They ended up fumbling it so /lisg/ picked it and used Dontnod's own logic and what they showed us against them. To completely destroy the offered rationality of the Bay ending and to absolve Max (at least in the game's universe) of guilt for the storm.
Nobody is saying Max didn't cause the storm, we are saying Max wouldn't know she did and shouldn't feel guilty for saving Chloe as some are saying she should.
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>ywn have an all night long wild threesome with Juliet and Dana in one of their dorm rooms
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>>180778197
Calm down Victoria
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>>180776435
literally every person in a position of power makes decisions daily that result in innocent lives being lost and then goes fuck around the golf course or whatever totally unbothered so shut the fuck up
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>>180778193
But she can check whether saving chloe caused the storm by allowing her to die in the bathroom but keeping the butterfly photo. Which is what she does in that ending. And the storm didn't come. So even if you argue that all the signs the game gives you aren't enough, or that Max should assume that changes in conversation she doesn't even necessarily make with her powers are enough to summon the storm anyway you would be wrong.
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>>180778197
Stop, you disgusting hetero.

Otherwise, if you're Victoria, go and ask them.
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>>180777480
>You are actually just a bad person
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>>180777480
>with letting things run their course
...Letting the storm hit Arcadia is also letting things run their course.

>I didn't cause the organ failure
If I told you their organ failure was caused by the Butterfly Effect of you taking a shit a week back, do you now feel morally compelled to sacrifice yourself, do you now physically revolt at yourself for not giving up your life for those other people? And more, would you now be willing to give up the life of your completely tangential mother for those people?

Is letting someone else die to ease your moral conscience of the consequences you (unintentionally and unexpectedly and in actually saving another human being's life) believe you apparently caused not terribly selfish, and something you do for your own personal happiness?

>doesn't mean you aren't a coward
Yeah, let someone else die because you believe it will somehow prevent this natural disaster, or you are a coward!

Go kill your mother and hand her organs out to people in need because you believe you somehow without any fault of your own caused their being in need, why don't you, you coward.

Your moral reasoning is insane to me. Society does not share it.
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>>180778132
The way you're implementing it. As if it's just a question of numbers and nothing more. Forgetting that every person, in the game and in real life, has a choice regarding how they will act in a situation.
If this were pre-1912 and a ship sank, you would be calling those that made it into the lifeboats cowards for not dying. How dare those bastards notice danger and take their opportunity to escape it!
Nobody is tied to their position in Arcadia Bay, they see the storm coming and they can take action to save themselves. Chloe is tied to her position if Max goes back and cannot save herself. Max saves Chloe and puts the survival of everyone else in their own hands. That's it, she's not killing anyone with her actions or inaction.
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>>180778649
>Bae Max gleefully smashing humanity and morals while thinking about chloe's tits
I could see it.
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>>180778553
Why would Max ever even go back and let Chloe get shot?
Chloe is her priority so why would she ever see it as rational to gamble with that?
You're way of thinking is absolutely absurd and based solely on your own foolish notions and on information well beyond what the characters have.
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>>180778705
There were alot of signs indicating that Max's use of time travel is what caused the storm. Also, can I go back in time and not take a shit, cause I do that if I can. Not sure why that would cause me to sacrifice myself.
>>180778712
She's not killing them with her own hands, just allowing them to die. And if someone on that ship had the option to save someone trapped under a pile of rubble but ran to the lifeboats instead I probably would give them the stink eye ya.
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>>180774128
If you do, post it, many thanks
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>>180779012
Is it foolish of max to try and save as many people as she can?
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>>180778705
also "letting things run thier course" is a quote from someone also ya dumbo
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>>180779241
You're just a judgemental idiot then.

>>180779358
It's foolish for her to let her best friend die on some gamble which, based on what she has seen, will not have any impact.
What if her autopilot self destroyed or lost the butterfly photo?
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>>180779241
>There were alot of signs indicating that Max's use of time travel is what caused the storm.
And opposing signs as well. Max actually believes she got the powers to prevent the storm. And rightfully so, seeing as how, for one thing, she had a vision of a storm and then was magically granted a superpower. The visions she has if anything indicate that the storm comes without Chloe and that saving Chloe actually saves her own life, because in the first vision she is alone and the lighthouse threatens to crush her, and in the second, after saving Chloe, she is with Chloe and manages to dodge the lighthouse.

>Also, can I go back in time and not take a shit, cause I do that if I can.
But it's not about how you can prevent it, it is about whether you feel morally compelled to prevent it to an extent where even letting someone else die is morally justifiable in your mind.

In your mind, it is not only morally justifiable to let someone else die for your belief that it will prevent the (unintended, unexpected, actually counter-expectation, counter-logic, counter-intuition) consequences of your actions, but it is revolting not to do so. Insanity.
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>>180776435
Oh please, you sound like an arrogant prick. I can tell you've probably never really had anyone you've cared enough about that you're willing to sacrifice anything for. I'm not arguing that it's the most morally correct choice, but it certainly is a reasonable and understandable one.
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>>180779639
>Someone does a selfish thing
>Tell them that thing was selfish
>"You're just a judgmental idiot"
a little more then half the people were able to see the connection between saving chloe and time falling apart so I don't know what you're problem is
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>>180779320
Not that Anon and not that specific artist, but here's some 50s AU.
https://chloe-fuckin-price.tumblr.com/post/128366476104/desu-this-was-supposed-to-be-longer-but-i-got-lazy

>>180695283
Is another 50s AU piece from the same artist. As is pic related.

There was a petty good fic going on for a little bit from someone but they deleted every mention of it. Which is sad.
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>>180779757
I'll tell my dead grandmother that you said that
>>180779723
Well I suppose in this instance the insane person would be 100% correct senpai
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>430 post thread on lis on /v/ right now
oh boy
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>>180779839
You're saying anyone who doesn't immediately risk themselves in some deathly situation is selfish and a bad person. That is so fucking stupid it's not even funny.
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>>180780219
>Implying you aren't in /v/ right now
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>>180780146
Would you allow your grandmother to die again if it meant saving hundreds of people?
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>>180780007
ah thanks for sharing
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>>180780146
>Well I suppose in this instance the insane person would be 100% correct senpai
You know this website is 18+ right
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>>180780276
If you have the opportunity to help someone else but choose not to because you are afraid of repercussions then you are a bad person and I don't really care if that makes you upset.
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A couple days ago during one of these arguments I said I was going to play through and write down every line in the game (from speech, diary, etc) where Max specifically denounces the logic behind Bay.
Ep 4. has been the densest so far, but I still need to finish 5. And it looks like I need to do it fast.

Spoiler alert: the list isn't short
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>>180780338
Yes
>>180780503
you really got me on that one friend
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Remember kids: if you ever seen a house fire, don't move away from it and keep yourself out of danger so you don't become another patient/victim, just rush right into the flames without thinking.

What? You don't know if the house is structurally sound and you don't have any protective firefighting gear?
Someone that needs rescuing is in that house, if you don't get in there then you're a selfish coward!
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>>180780631
Then Max is morally incorrect, who cares what the "canon" ending is.
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>>180780562
>because you are afraid of repercussions
*because it means taking the life of someone, risking your own and the life in the entire universe altogether in the process

Utilitarian moral reasoning is not wrong. But your being upset at it not being the only moral reasoning (and not the one supported by modern society) doesn't make it the right one either.

Max had already learned not to use her photo power precisely because it risks everything. It could change everything. That it magically fixes everything is an insult to the very sentiments the story is trying to convey.
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>>180773330
to be fair, in the timeline where william is alive, the whales are still washed up on the beach
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>>180780697
"Gee grandma, I love you, but you know who I love even more? Hundreds of people i've never met or have no connection to! So time to die! But hey, at least I'm an upstanding moral person!"
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>>180781032
*had
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>>180780562
You can vocally judge all you want, it will just let people know that you're a moron.
Then they will laugh at you when they see you in a predicament and focus on saving themselves. But hey, at least you died a "hero" in your own mind.
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>>180780697
you do realize you are a sociopath?
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>>180781021
Yeah, 5 years after we saved him, and at the exact same week of the storm in the original timeline
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>>180780995
I don't care what the 'canon' is, nor do I care if she is "morally incorrect" (if such a thing even existed)
Chloe is her Kierkegaardian 'teleological suspension of the ethical'
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>>180780938
How about this.
The fire in that house is to large for anyone besides the firemen to put out. Because of an accident on the roads, the firemen have been held up, and aren't going to get to the burning house for an unspecified period of time. Someone who lives in that house says that the child who's bedroom is on the top floor isn't outside. Do you try to run through the flames and get to the child or do you watch the house burn?
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>>180780995
>Then Max is morally incorrect, who cares what the "canon" ending is.
Them tears sure are salty. I haven't seen such consistent delusion on /lisg/ since Major Psycho.
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It feels like October 20th, 2015 all over again
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>>180781330
If there's heavy flames and smoke engulfing the house, then no. The chance of survival inside is very low and anyone going inside without gear is likely to become a victim as well.
If there's a clear way into the room and a way to quickly get in and out through the window, then possibly.

There's no glory in acting without thought, only an early death.
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>>180781397
wtf is up with that picture...is that the everyone has fetal alcohol syndrome and is a tranny timeline?
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>>180781032
Is this what you actually think? You not having met those people doesn't mean that they don't have hearts and minds. My grandmother was old and worked in the red cross, she would fucking volunteer.
>>180781160
Imagine actually explaining this philosophy to a crowd of people. Like actually saying with a serious expression that heroics is pointless and that people should be ridiculed for selflessness.
>>180781161
"I think that it is always the best choice to save as many people as possible. All people should take whatever steps they can to protect others"
>Lmfao senpai u realise ur a sociopath right?
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>>180781606
That was a horrible day for the general.

Before the Storm can't disappoint us that bad, can it?
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>>180781737
and bad people.
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>>180781647
Maybe you could have gotten lucky.
Maybe the child would have been on the bottom floor and you would have managed to save him.
Well he's dead now, at least you didn't risk getting hurt!
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>>180781902
>"I think that it is always the best choice to save as many people as possible. All people should take whatever steps they can to protect others"
>>Lmfao senpai u realise ur a sociopath right?
Not that anon but I absolutely question the humanity of someone who would kill their own child, spouse, parent, etc. to save a podunk town. I hope if you are ever married you change your mind.
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Max stole my heart more than any other character in almost any game or movie or book ever. Maybe im not cultured enough but Max is my dream.
Everything about her is something i wont want in a friend and a love interest.
Im a fool for eating this up though, I already know.
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>>180782017
only if you pick bay
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>>180782158
The people in the town but ok.
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>>180781902
>All people should take whatever steps they can to protect others...
"...including taking the life of other people (as long as they are fewer in numbers than those you are trying to save!) and risking your own and that of yet countless others"

That there is the sociopathic aspect of your thinking. Where human lives are merely numbers to you.
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>>180781902
>"I think that it is always the best choice to save as many people as possible. All people should take whatever steps they can to protect others"
That's fine unless you start seeing people as nothing but numbers and are ready to discard any person no matter who they are to you as long as by doing it a greater number of people is "saved".
And you aren't my fucking senpai.
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>>180781902
>Imagine actually explaining this philosophy to a crowd of people.
What that people should consider their actions before rushing into something like a fool? It's not speaking down on heroism, it's saying most people aren't brave (Or in some cases, stupid) enough do things like that.
There's a reason actions like that are called heroism, because they are an exception to the norm. In hypothetical situations, many people may say they would do the heroic thing, but in practice they would likely be most concerned with saving themselves and those close to them.
That's not wrong to do. It's just how humans are. Self-preservation is not something to be ashamed of when everyone has the same opportunity to get out of the situation.
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>>180782395
What countless others guy? I don't remember countless others ever coming into the equation.
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>>180782123
Maybe they could have been saved, maybe not. At least I'm alive and will have the ability to come to peace with my actions.
Even the firefighters wouldn't blindly charge in. There's times where extremely tough calls must be made not to go in, or to pull crews out, because the risk is too great.
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>>180782281
We all love Max but we know that she belongs with Chloe and accept it.
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>>180782715
>>180782123
>>180781647
>>180781330
>>180780938
These are some of the stupidest analogies I've ever read
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>>180782936
Tell me some good analogies then mr analogy expert
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>>180781942
That depends on what you're hoping BtS is going to be.
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>>180783076
My analogies are like vacuums, they suck.
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>>180782742
No denying that. I would let her go.
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>>180781902
Yes I actually do think that you're basically a robot. You can dress it up in as much pathos as you'd like, but you're basically saying you're entirely willing to kill those you care for if it means that it fulfills some sense of moral righteousness you feel you have. That is selfish as fuck.
>pic related, it's you
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>>180783496
But that's a good analogy
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>>180782485
Something being common doesn't make it right. What about people who can't help themselves.
Human beings would be so much less then they are if your description was accurate.
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>>180782606
>All people should take whatever steps they can to protect others...
In going back and changing the course of the entire universe, Max risks the entire universe and all life in it. The consequences are completely unexpectable. That's precisely what Max has learned, and why the lesson should be not to use the power anymore expecting to magically fix something with it, let alone based on vague bullshit predictions of the future and assuming we can control the course of things.
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>>180783670
Griffith did what he did so that he could be powerful. Besides, you would have sacrificed the band of the hawk for chloe.
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>>180784028
So unconformable assumptions should only be acted upon if they provide a moral justification for selfishness?
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>>180784028
And there are some rather expectable outcomes risking human lives, too: Kate is suicidal. Max certainly won't be in any state to help her. We didn't know that the bathroom incident would reveal Nathan's or let alone Jefferson's crimes. And even if we would have known that, that doesn't mean Kate would necessarily feel better. Hell, it's possible she could blame herself for Chloe's death because she was too chickenshit to go to the police about Nathan. David killed Jefferson in a fit of rage when he learned that he had killed Chloe. What would he have done to Nathan when he saw Chloe in a puddle of blood? I would expect he would bash his fucking head in right then and there. What about Nathan? He had given up on life before his crimes were even revealed to the world precisely because he was scared of just that. I would expect him to kill himself in his cell. Or maybe flip the fuck out after shooting Chloe and shoot up the school and then himself. What about David? He refused to investigate Nathan, who ended up killing Chloe. He failed his self-proclaimed mission and it was his own fault. He could totally kill himself in this timeline. At latest after Joyce inevitably also kills herself because after William, now Chloe died an even more brutal and unjust death. What about Victoria? She was already thinking she deserved death for what she had done to Kate, now she learns not only the full extent of that, but she also learns that Rachel, another girl she had been antagonizing was also a victim of her "friend" who was actually a monster that was also involved in a plan to abduct her, and the teacher she tried to seduce. Max is certainly in danger of killing herself. Or being caught by Jefferson, who again, could go unbusted in this timeline. Nathan revealing this to the police is a complete gamble. I would expect that for the first weeks and months, there would be expensive Prescott lawyers preventing him from saying anything at all.
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>>180784072
I meant more so him ever since Falconia. Sacrificing all those close to him under a guise of aiding humanity
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>>180784228
>But wut if everyone in the whole world decides to commit suicide?
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>>180784196
What? No. Subjective moral beliefs should not be acted upon if they risk or outright take other people's lives. Your justification for letting other people die and risking countless other people's lives is "I want to be morally correct by my moral standards". You are saying your moral beliefs are worth more to you than the life of another human being(s), as long as your intention is to potentially save a numerically greater amount of other human beings.
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>>180784359
Is that actually how griffith justifies it to himself or are you making shit up? I haven't read the manga but I don't remember helping people ever being part of the castle on the hill thing.
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>>180783864
We'd be extinct if they were the way you demand they be.
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>>180784491
>You can't confirm with one hundred percent accuracy that your actions will stop the storm because you can't see the future, so you should just let it happen
>But what if going back in time causes the entire universe to explode
I'm also not saying that my moral beliefs are worth more then a human life, I am saying that 20 human lives are worth more then a human life.
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>>180783864
Self-preservation is inherently human, whether you like it or not. It is inhumane to require of others to die or let their loved ones die for a greater good. Society does not require this, and everything else would be inhumane.
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>>180784568
Griffith really hasn't given a justification since the Eclipse, but most interpretations of him nowadays are he's going to justify it as "for the better good".
Also
"I can't attack his points so I'll attack his analogy"
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>>180784709
If things were the way you say they are all crippled people would be dead for lack of income.
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>Blaming some cute and innocent photography student and her punk gf for a natural disaster and calling them bad people
That's not very nice
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>>180784930
Helping the handicapped is usually not inherently deadly.
Things like rescuing people from disasters are.
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>>180784815
>You can't confirm with one hundred percent accuracy that your actions will stop the storm because you can't see the future
Exactly, this is what the story teaches us. That trying to use superpowers to control the course of the universe the way we expect it leads to unexpectable outcomes and is "bad". So in the end to undo and risk everything in one giant nonsense gamble is about the most counter-narrative thing we can do, even regardless of the natural, non-superpower, main story, where it is even more counter-narrative to go back on everything she's done.

>I'm also not saying that my moral beliefs are worth more then a human life, I am saying that 20 human lives are worth more then a human life.
Let's take a look:
>20 human lives are worth more then a human life.
This is your subjective moral belief. You are using this belief of yours to justify letting a human being die. You are therefore valuing your subjective moral beliefs above the life of that human being.
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>>180784860
I mean, the comparison was so extreme its kind of pointless to argue. Its like people who compare Max to Hitler. If you actually want me to explain to you why I am not like Griffith; Griffith always as tools to be used to better his personal position in life. The most extreme interpretation of my philosophy says that I see other people as tools to better the lives of larger groups of people.
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>>180784974
>cute and innocent
That's what they want you to think! Just look at them, killers with a vicious streak a mile wide!
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>>180785236
>The most extreme interpretation of my philosophy says that I see other people as tools to better the lives of larger groups of people.

You mean like killing your grandmother for them?
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>>180785236
>Its like people who compare Max to Hitler
I *really* hope people who do that are just joking but then again I've seen someone say the storm was worse an Atomic Bomb.
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>>180785640
My grandmother was an actual hero and would have gladly sacrificed herself to save the life of just one person, much less 20.
Also, good job using the death of a real life person to get a cheap jab at some dood you don't know on the internet.
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Anyone else like the fact that Mr.jefferson targeted Max and Kate because they are virgins?
Obviously a taboo topic to talk about outside of 4chan.
I just think it was interesting that Jefferson had an obsession with innocents and capturing the moment "they lose hope"
He was obviously thinking about raping max.
They had some balls doing that desu.
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>>180786167
He didn't target Max though, that was collateral. He did target Rachel and Victoria, and I would not think they're virgins.
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>>180786025
Don't post personal stuff because it will be used against you. That should be one of the biggest tips on all of 4chan if not the internet as a whole.
Regardless if your grandmother, I find your way of thinking and your explanations to be somewhat frightening. Not just when applied to the choices in the game but in general if all you see about humans are numbers.
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Is it safe to say this is one of the worst threads we've had in a while?
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>>180786237
Nathan targeted Rachel
Bitchtroia was also collateral.
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>>180786237
but jefferson was pressuring Max into entering the contest so he can select her as the winner and have time alone together. that's how i see it anyways. i think Jefferson also says "i had my eyes on you all this time"
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>>180786451
Racehl and Victoria had their names on Jefferson's red folders. He just used Rachel as a trial by fire for Nathan, and failed.
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I don't think there's a "moral correctness" in the choice at all. It is an absolutely terrible and horrendous decision to make, and Max is, ethtically and in other senses, the most tragic victim of this scenario. I believe that whatever she chooses here, it is justified. It is an impossible decision. No one should ever have to make something like it, and it physically revolts me that people would be inhumane enough to blame her for it, and make her out to be a bad person for her choice.

I have my reasons for why I think one of the two is at all right for these characters and this story and why the other one is so fundamentally, impossibly not, and it certainly hasn't to do with "morality"... but I would never be so inumanely arrogant to despise Max for the decision or other people for it.

>>180786237
Importantly, he didn't target Rachel as a victim, but as a sexual and perhaps romantical interest. This directly separates his interest in his victims from the (outright-)sexual.

But don't reply to butthurt trolls that resort to trying to trigger people about the things they care about when arguments don't go their way.
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>>180786167
He would vehemently deny that there was any sexual aspect to his crimes, but it seems pretty clear it's some kind of fetish. In fact, it's masturbation to himself and his "artistic vision" of capturing what he perceives as a loss of innocence (Even though the way he does it contradicts what he aims to do).
I don't think he wanted to do anything physical to Max since he was about to kill her.

>>180786237
He was targeting Max or at least said he was. If anything, Victoria was collateral and bait since Max seeing her binder was what made her realize they had to find Nathan.
Jefferson says Rachel was all Nathan's doing but I don't believe that's entirely true. I think Jefferson just blames Nathan for what was partly his own fuckup.
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>>180786025
Listen buddy, I'm simply using the example you provided me with. If you had said your parakeet I would of used your parakeet. I'm sure you're grandmother was a wonderful lady, but you need to stop being an judgemental prick.
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>>180786423
ya
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>>180786327
Ok for real, how else should I see people. Should my perception of peoples importance change based on how well I know them? Is that the system of morals on which you think I should operate? Should I decide the importance of human beings based on their productiveness, or how kind they are? But isn't the perception of a human always going to be inherently skewed? Do you really think anyone is truly capable of examining two people and deciding which one is more deserving of life? Does Chloe price deserve to live more then the other people in arcadia bay because Max claufield is in love with her? Isn't it amoral of any human to decide that they have the ability to choose one human and claim that their life is more important then any other human due to that human's proximity to the first? If numbers are the wrong way to think about people, would it be better if I forgo logic all together and make decisions about a persons worth based on how they make me feel? Isn't that incredibly egotistic?
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>>180787215
Time for Chloe to protect Max
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>>180787410
Look at things in their context and from the points of view of the person making a choice.
Max saves Chloe because she loves her and because she's not sure going back in time to let her die will solve the problem being faced. It may create even more problems. It's her choice to make and that's the decision she arrives at, that Chloe is worth keeping despite whatever may be occurring in the town.
Everyone is deserving of life which is why these questions of "Who lives and who dies?" are absurd in the first place.You judge someone for letting someone die, or in this case for refusing to let someone die, but the alternate outcome is unknown.

You're the doing the exact same thing you criticize Max for deciding who lives; you're deciding that Chloe should die because others are worth more than her. You don't care about the suffering of Max, Joyce, and David because that's only three people compared to the unknown amount that could have died in the storm.
You impose your own views onto everyone else and expect them to do what you would do, it's inhuman to think everyone will think the same way. It's robotic where you simply look at numbers and make a choice based solely on that as if it's objectively correct.
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>>180787410
>If numbers are the wrong way to think about people, would it be better if I forgo logic all together and make decisions about a persons worth based on how they make me feel?
How about we don't morally or otherwise weigh lives against each other at all? There is no right and wrong in deciding over who "deserves to life". In most modern systems of law and values, life does not trump life, whatever the numerical value on either side. There are very many things to consider for the specific case, and if an individual was forced to make a choice, we do not judge that choice based on whether they saved or wanted to save the numerically larger quantity of life, but whether their choice was reasonable and understandable and human in that very situation.
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>>180788739
But are you actually making that choice because it could create more problems, or are you looking for convenient excuses to make the choice that happens to result in a better outcome for those you happen to be emotionally attached to.
Isn't creating a moment in reality where a large group of peoples relationship to you decides whether they live or die just as bad if not worse then making the choice to save the lives of the largest group possible.
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>>180786423
Absolutely. I don't even think cuteposting could help it at this point.
We're reaching some insanely outrageous levels of arguing and idiocy. Bayfags have abandoned all senses of logic in the story and just gone for flatout fatalism and utilitarianism while not even paying attention to the game. We've gotten to the point where Max is being blamed and demonized just for having a heart.
I want it to stop.
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>>180789523
instead of the same 300 pictures of cute girls or a cucked warren that we've had for 500 threads?
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>>180789478
You look after your priorities and what you can save. Max can save Chloe, she cannot guarantee the safety of those in the town but they are all capable of securing it for themselves.
Max is not choosing who lives or dies except when it comes to Chloe. This is one of the biggest points so many on the bay side miss, they act like she's holding some gun to the town's head and personally killing every single one them. She is not.
All she is deciding is that the storm is something beyond her control and going back to try to stop it would not be worth the risks and price being asked. It's a simple Risk-Benefit Analysis. Max and Chloe are the only ones who will ever know the truth about everything. They are the ones who will have to live with the choice and any guilt they feel, to everyone else it was just a regular tornado where blame cannot be assigned.

Max followed your way of thinking. She found herself watching someone in grave danger, someone she didn't think she knew, and she tried to help them. That's what started this entire mess in the first place.So don't blame her because she did exactly what you expected of her.
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>>180788995
I don't think that would be very satisfying for everyone on the other end of that tornado.
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>>180789914
Yes that would be much better
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>>180789523
We dont even know if a bunch of people died in the storm and we dont even know if the storm still hits if chloe is killed.
Reminder after jefferson kills chloes the storm is still coming, imagine being poor sweet max saving the bay only for the storm to come again anyways....
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>>180789914
yes
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>>180790063
Me too. I hope he also makes some high quality still images using the models and scenes.
I also hope to see longhair Max again. Even though shorthair Max is a qt as well.
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>>180790305
Chloe is buff af
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>>180790401
someone post that fit chloe pic.
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>>180790291
Max still has the bathroom picture so she can go back if the storm comes
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>>180790132
Good for them that they won't ever have any idea there was any dilemma. To them it was just a storm that came and went, it's happened before and will happen again.
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>>180790486
This one? There's a few
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>>180790631
So you don't care about truth or justice? Those people don't deserve to know why their loved ones had to die if there was a reason?
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>>180790524
Nobody has answered the question of why Max should even go back and risk it.
She could also use one of her various photos taken from the week to go back after she already saved Chloe and use that time to warn more people about the coming storm.
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>>>/aco/1483968

what's going on in here?
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>>180790827
To save all the people who would die in the storm. And why would anyone believe Max about the storm?
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>>180790784
Even if they were told, they probably would not believe it. Not unless Max herself demonstrated her power.
If they did then what could they say? Accuse Max of being selfish? As if they wouldn't make the same choice.
There is no truth or justice here. Only a girl who someone decided to give a power and decided to torture her for using it. You want to place the blame on someone, then look to whatever gave Max that power in the first place.
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>>180790132
Because they are also human, and therefore have a hard time putting themselves into other people's perspectives. Take every single one of the people affected by the tornado and stand them on top of that cliff. Their dying souls will weep for the injustice that has befallen Max to have to make such a horrible decision. The only morally "correct" or "satisfying" thing to do in her shoes would be to just stop time for all eternity.

But that is not an option. Tornadoes come and go and life goes on. And from what we saw, life likely went on for a majority of the town's people as well.

Besides, this is a story, not a trolley dilemma simulator. If you want your ending to be about the morality of such a situation and your stance on it, so be it. I realize that people did not really die and that the story here was compelling in so many senses that are not moral. Of course I would have preferred for the storm to dissipate, or the thought of Max and Chloe working to prevent the storm or warn people about it after they survive... but the story is not about that, certainly not to me. The storm is more metaphorical, it's not really about the loss of life that is represented in it. It's more a representation of fear, a manifestation of Max's self-doubt, and a final hurdle, whether she can surmount it, jump over her own shadow, overcome this final obstacle that is herself - or whether she succumbs to it, in defeat and what I take to be an impossibly tragic loss of life, love, identity, humanity. It all returns to the narrative meaning it has for the characters and their story, and that is infinitely greater in the one ending than the other, as I see it.
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>>180790974
So now Max is responsible for watching out for every single person? I thought she wasn't supposed to play God.

A few people would believe her and Chloe. Joyce, David, Kate, Warren, others at Blackwell. That would possibly save some more people and once they were convinced they would also be spreading the word.
Everyone has people close to them who they want to look out for. Those close bonds eventually overlap until everyone is looking out for each other.
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>>180791163
I was sort of expecting a 'stop time for eternity' ending.
Something like Futurama. Max and Chloe freeze time and are the only ones that can move, they live their life together, full of love and travel, and when they die, time resumes for everyone else and the storm is gone since they are.
Missing posters start popping up for them, and nobody knows they already lived full lives together exactly how they wanted. It's incredibly bittersweet.
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I was going to finish 5 today, but I'm beat after Twin Peaks. Here's a selection of some lines from Ep 3:
>Chloe is alive and by my side and that has to be a miracle... which means there must be a way to stop my vision from coming true... right?
>"Fuck the truth. I just want to find my friend now."
>Even with so many terrible things happening around us, it felt like Chloe and I were walking towards the center of a great cosmic mystery, something bigger than any of us.
>After all, saving a life is priority. As is my habit with Chloe. No matter what, our fates seem bound together, for better or worse.
>"You didn't stumble when you saved me, Max"
>"We're obviously connected, since without me, you would have never discovered your power, right?"
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>"Once you get over yourself, you're gonna make the world bow."
>"As long as you're there with me."
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>"Don't look so sad. I'm NEVER leaving you."
>"Yes, I might go to hell for this - but if it saves Chloe, we'll pay it back... somehow."

That final line is one you can get if you inspect the stolen money in Chloe's room the morning after. It's easy to pass over, but it struck me as one of the most poignant condemnations of Bay moralizing. Max could spend the rest of her life being an 'everyday hero' to people.
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I believe we should make a video or do an essay/pastebin on why the majority of us chose Bae ending. I mean I'm sure that won't get rid of Bae vs Bay wars but at least we can refer to it. I know there's already copypastas and pics posted here frequently but I think we need something more.
Nitpicking and ripping apart the logic of choosing Bay/the actual Bay ending are not the main reasons why we chose Bae. We did it because of Max's feelings and her relationship with Chloe.
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/lesg/ how do you cope with the fact that that a giant chunk of people who played this game never saw anything romantic between Chloe and Max and consider Warren her only possible love interest?
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>>180791692
Good work, Anon! That last line does ring pretty loudly.
I also like the one above it about making the world bow. Chloe really does have the highest hopes and confidence for Max. I think we'll see that appear during BtS in some way, like Rachel asking why doesn't Chloe call Max and Chloe saying something like "I'd just weigh her down. I could never do that her."

>>180791775
I've suggested that in the past. It really wouldn't solve any problem though since as we've seen these arguments will become sillier and sillier.
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>>180792187

I go to 45:00 seconds in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbS65o1ATVI
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>>180792187
I ignore them. Pretty easy to do when the only place I will ever go to discuss LiS is here.
If any of them stumble into here then they are quickly driven away or recognize as trolls.
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>>180784407
All of those are expectable scenarios.

Kate literally did kill herself. The assumption that Nathan shooting Chloe would lead to Kate's case being solved in a few days and make her totally not want to kill herself is absurd. She had multiple reasons to kill herself, so even if we do assume her case would be solved, that doesn't undo what happened, nor get her video out of the internet. She's if anything way likelier to have survived the storm in the hospital even if it somehow was in town, than in the "original" timeline.

David has PTSD (increased risk for suicide as-is, or so I've read), has made it his personal mission to protect Blackwell students and Chloe specifically, and has antagonized people such as Kate and Rachel in the process, while somehow befriending and protecting Nathan. And now it turns out that Nathan has been doing this terrible shit to all those people and kills Chloe? David's a goner, man. He would rip Nathan's head open right in that fucking bathroom and shoot his own head off for having failed himself, Chloe, and Joyce.

Joyce was already clinically depressed even in a reality where William didn't die. Take William's death and now Chloe's and it's really impossible to see how Joyce could go on with her life.

Victoria defended Nathan. She knew something was strange with him, and if anyone, she could have been the one to help, or at least report him. Alert people. But now he is a monster and she not only was the monster's closest friend, but she antagonized the people he inflicted monstrosities upon. As I've said, she said she deserved death for what she did to Kate, and that was before she knew the extent of it all. This timeline would crush her.
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>>180794202
Nathan accepted his own death too ashamed to face the world once he realized his crimes were going to be revealed to people, that everybody would know he is the monster everyone believed him to be. A Prescott prick, just like his father. He could absolutely want to end his life.

Frank would realize not only that he was partly responsible for Rachel's death and other girls' druggings, but that Chloe died trying to get money for him. He was already in a bad spot after Rachel's disappearance, these combined events would probably do him in.

I don't even have or want to start on Max.
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TO THE END OF TIME
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Seriously /vg/ what would you do for max?
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First time playing through this game. Replayed the last bit of chapter 2 to save Kate.
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>>180794838
I would sacrifice myself for Max, so that she wouldn't have to sacrifice anything, could just be with Chloe. If that would be the ultimate purpose of my existence, I would make that choice so that she wouldn't have to.

The cuck martyrium.
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>>180794838
I would _be_ Max
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>>180795438
the bible question got you i bet
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cute Kate sweet Kate
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Who dies and who survives if you decide to save Chloe over the bay?
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>>180794838
Give her advice, tell her how awesome she is, go to one of her photo exhibits.

>>180795438
Good job, Anon.
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>>180795935
You're never going to see her again.
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>>180795438
>first time playing

It's been a year and I'm still too scared to do a 2nd playthrough
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>>180796024
Nobody knows. I say everyone in the diner survives since David get to the Dark Room earlier and would have time to drive into the town and rescue them. Kate's in a hospital so she's pretty safe.
Blackwell probably has some kind of underground cellar and is further inland so students there have some place to go.
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goodnight
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>>180797951
Sweet dreams
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How long did it take you to realize that based mr.madsen was the good guy
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How do you think it was when max lost her virginity to chloe finally? you think max is a sub and just sort of laid back?
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>>180794838
I'd tell her to hold onto Chloe no matter what and never give up.
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>>180799109
Of course. Clearly chloe is the alpha in the relationship.
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>>180799109
Pretty lewd question there. I think it'd be a little while after the storm. Maybe a month of two after they've been in Seattle.
They go on a date, afterwards they decide to park the truck in the woods and watch the stars for a bit, one thing leads to another, and after awhile they're both laying in the truck's bed and cuddling under a blanket Chloe kept in the cab.
As for subby stuff. I think they'd both be equally assertive. Occasionally one will take control when they're both in the mood for that kind of stuff. What's important is that it's always loving.
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>>180799813
Chloe was experienced
Max is a virgin, I think max would of been too nervous still and let Chloe show her things.
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>>180800419
Probably. Their first time would be incredibly slow because Max wouldn't really know what she was doing and Chloe would constantly be asking Max is things were okay.
Over time they'd learn each other and feel more comfortable. I'm sure at times Chloe would take the lead, just as Max would after she's gained some confidence.
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I was a bay fag my first play through but i have to admit the 2 biggest things against bayending is the fact that William was fine the world was okay with it AND when chloe died the storm still came.
I posted this before but i cant find it so ill say it again.
Its possible that letting chloe die in the bathroom didnt stop the storm.
Poor max in bay ending probably ends up dying in the same storm.
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Holy shit you guys weren't lying when you said I'd be drowning in bullshit by the end of the game. To be fair, what bothered me the most was that Max won't kiss Chloe unless she sacrifices her, which is BULLSHIT. I want to have my cake and eat it too gdi.
And speaking of kisses, 68% of players chose to kiss Warren too. dude wtf
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>>180800856
Lewd but cute, The lose of someones virginity to someone they find special doesnt have to be graphic or anything, good take on it.
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>>180801608
They're just giving the poor cuck a break since he's about to die anyway or have it all erased
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>>180801608
You did at least save Chloe, right?
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>>180802873
Basically this.
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>>180803110
I did not hesitate to save her and let the shit town disappear. Only found out about the kiss scene watching the bad ending on youtube baka
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>>180803294
Oh okay. Check out one of the fanmade endings like Sbel's.
I felt bad for those in the town since I liked a lot of them. But since we're not given any closure or finality, I can just assume and make excuses to say most of them survive.
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>>180803702
Silly me, should have included links

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ56iz4EIhk (Wish this had different music but that can easily be changed by muting it and putting on whatever you want)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9TucT5gfk
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Vampyr is going to flop so hard, isn't?
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http://archiveofourown.org/works/10279478/chapters/25291548
If you like fluffy and cute (and lewd) stuff then this fic's pretty good. So long as you don't mind AUs.
Admittedly I did skip this one when it started but I've really been enjoying it.
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>>180806110
I don't think it will be a failure. It probably just won't see as well as LiS.
Which is fine since they're two completely different games made by different teams at Dontnod and through different publishers.
I get that not everyone her is interested in Vampyr but I see no reason why it would flop. It will have its audience.
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>>180807057
Did Chloe throw an entire bucket of popcorn precisely at Warren's head with one hand? Damn she is stronk
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>>180808368
Kate is stronker.
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>>180808589
Chloe will debate you on that, with her thighs
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Inb4 the sequel will be called Life is Strange - After the storm.
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>>180808683
KATE STRONKEST THERE IS!
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>>180809815
>DBZ crossover
What kind of treats would Majin Buu turn the girls of LiS into?
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>>180808368
She did and she is! That's a pretty damn funny part in the story.
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Are the Kate haters gone yet? o.o
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>>180790063
love how max's bikini bottom isn't properly in place and you can make out some of her fleshy pubic mound

lewd
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>>180790063
I'd love to see a closeup on Chloe's other sleeve. Obviously there's stars in it and it says "Rachel" but I want to see how intricate the design it.
I like how it's all black as opposed to her other very colorful one.
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Max Punfield
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>Max will never be real
>youll never hold maxs hand
>you'll never brush her hair behind her ears
>You'll never cuddle her on a cool fall night
>you'll never invite her to go see one of the bands she likes.
>you wont be her first kiss
>Never learn even more about who she is and hang on everywood
>you'll never see her cute shyness first hand
>you'll never meet anyone like max irl because its too late now and maxs dont exist irl

Seriously, just fuck my world up.
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>>180815335
>maxs dont exist irl
Go to a liberal arts school and take photography classes.
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>>180815335
Kill yourself, you dumb waifufag.

If you cared about Max, you'd know she has this with Chloe, and doesn't like men.
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>>180816058
Rude
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>>180816241
On the contrary
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>>180792359
>durr I'm Hannah Telle, the retard
>durr, Max and Chloe may not be good together
>durr I'm the Interviewer, and I'm retarded
>durr Chloe is a mess
>durr from a male perspective
>If she was my girlfriend, it'd be rough
>durr hurr ha ha durr
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>>180815335
I know that feel but I love Max so much I learned to cope with it. Max is perfectly happy with Chloe and some random Anon in her life wouldn't make much sense. She can be happy for all eternity, I find serenity and content in this
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>>180816502
Didn't she fail to finish the game? What did she get up to, episode 2?
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>>180816231
Kill yourself.
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>>180799109
Honestly I don't think it would be anytime soon after the finale for them to start doing anything lewd.
Since the game was being released over the span of 10 months we have the impression they've been on some long journey together by the end of the week, but for characters inside the story it was just 5 days. Even less for Chloe who doesn't get to redo situations and only ever lives in a single timeline. I'm pretty sure Chloe would have to get over finding out the girl she's been in love with for the past 3 years is dead especially given the additional traumatic factor of being the one to dig up her murdered body. And for Max herself jumping straight into relationship wouldn't be exactly healthy after everything she's been through.
I think both of them would need tons of therapy and just being there for each other before they'd get to that point.

>>180807251
I've seen some gameplay videos. If I'm being honest it looks like a 4/10 jank game from 7th generation that will be regarded by cult classic by a group of 10 people in 5 years.
But I really tried but can't find any interest in myself for this game.
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>>180799109
Actually now that I read this, you asked how it was and now when it was.
Maybe I should sleep more than 2 hours a night.

Anyway despite appearances, I'm 90% sure Chloe is actually a turbo bottom.
Max is probably a switch. I'd think just like their in game interactions it would be Max doing all the first moves after Chloe vaguely hinting and hoping Max would catch on.
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tumblr is still actively panicking about Deck9 making Chloe's sexuality dependant of player's choices, I thought it was already cleared up its not
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>>180819958
What's going to be canon?
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I still don't understand why this game was released and translated in Japan.
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>>180820093
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>>180820007
I dont know, if you are a hetfag it's pretty easy to interpret Chloe in LIS as galpalling with both Max and Rachel, maybe at most acknowledging Chloe has some bisexual tendencies like 'teenage girls tend to hehe xD'
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>>180820093
Why not. Teenage character in a school setting suddenly getting powers and going on a supernatural adventure is the premise of like 90% of Japanese media.
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>>180820389
Yes, but LiS is a world way in execution of the premise from every one of those games, and TV shows.
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>>180820007
Max and Chloe vigorously grinding muffs
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>>180821203
Eh I don't see how, granted in most anime there would be a bigger emphasis on the supernatural part and the ending would probably be more convoluted but I could also see a more down to Earth story like LIS airing on Noitamina or something
Another thing is the cartoonish design of the characters and everyone being cute.
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So how is Victoria going to be in the prequel?

In LIS she is same age as Max, even ignoring Dontnod's mumbo jumbo and assuming Blackwell is a normal 3 year high school and at the start of LIS she is starting her senior year, 3 years ago she sould be still be in junior high. Chloe and Rachel are also older and depending what month the prequel is taking place Victoria should be 14/15 so how is she already someone with reputation at Blackwell
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>>180754398
>>180821925
>>180820389
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>>180822450
>normal 3 year high school

Most American high schools are 4 year schools.
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For the last time Miss Caulfield, I wasn't sniffing your seat when we got off the plane I was picking up a pen I dropped.

Can you just drop it? Pass the horderves.
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>>180822450
Rachel is '95, just like Victoria. So they would both be around 15.

And D9's said that Victoria will not be the popular queen bee, but climbing the social ladder.
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>>180822450
>>180823086
I just checked the wiki and then compared pics in my folder. It looks like there must have been a patch or something. Rachel's original school file says she was born in 95 which would make her younger than Victoria. But now it says 94 making her close to Chloe's age.

Here's the original.
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>>180823207
And the new version is third on the left.
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>>180822783
Oh I see. But I was just reading the eurogamer interview and they are saying that both Chloe and Victoria are sophomores. It still doesn't add up.
She's a senior in 2013
Junior in 2012
???
a Sophomore in 2010

What happened in 2011.
She should be a freshman in the prequel.

>>180823207
Rachel was definitely supposed to be same age as Chloe, the posters Chloe plasters all over Arcadia always said she is 19
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>>180823329
Dang I could swear Nathan was originally 19 too and I was convinced Victoria's birthday was in November and she was still 17 when the game was taking place.
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>>180823613
If she ends up in the Dark Room Victoria says that she's 18.
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>>180823207
>>180823329
Oh, interesting. As >>180823460 noted, she had likely been supposed to be a '94 all along, going by the posters. So it seems it's not a prequel-convenient after-patch. (She'd be three weeks older than Victoria even as a '95 though. :p)
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>>180823836
I don't have a pic of the original file but I think Victoria's used to say August or November 94 instead of 95.

There's a lot of confusion over how old everyone is meant to be. Warren's age sounds pretty young for Blackwell. And I think Jefferson went from being 46 to his late thirties or something.
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>>180823836
Even if we don't take Rachel into account, Chloe is still supposed to be same year as Victoria in the prequel and Chloe was always '94

>>180823786
She would be a month away from birthday so she could just be rounding her age to 18.
But I really do remember specifically taking a mental note of how Victoria is surprisingly younger than Max.
Come to think of it, maybe it was on her facebook page, does her fb say the same date as her school file?

Man I used to have screencaps of everything in the past but then my PC got purged
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>>180824340
I do think her FB said she's younger, but dontnod confirmed that the supposed correct ages are in the school files.
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>>180824340
The updated birthdays suggest Victoria is a month older than Max and Kate.
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aw finally got all the achievements
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>>180823207
So her mother's name is Ellen(?). I can't decipher the second name though (Zack? Nick?). I wonder if her parent's names in the prequel are gonna be consistent with this.
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>>180825102
Probably not. Dontnod themselves weren't consistent with a lot of this information and the prequel isn't even being made by them.
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When I grow up I'm gonna hold hands with Max Caulfield!!!
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>>180825256
deck nine are autists who combed over every tiny detail of LiS though. Remember a week or so ago when they said they looked at every single time Chloe held anything with her hand to determine if she was left or right dominant?
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Watching the trailer again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLjlBv-kHGg I feel pretty FUCKING pumped about the prequel.

61 days, 11 hours to go
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>>180826564
This. If Life is Strange was a child, and its real biological yet violent and alcoholistic parents would be Dontnod. Decknine on the otherhand would be its loving and caring step parents.

What I'm trying to is that Charlie Hebdo-esque attack on Dontnod's office wouldn't make me shed a single tear
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Where is pic related from? I don't remember it being in the gameplay footage they showed at E3
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>>180826758
>do not walk on the stage
>sits on it

someone stop this madwoman
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This video somewhere around 8:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOM3gOoTJ4s
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>>180826750
Very good.
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>>180826917
Glad you understood what I meant even if my fingers skipped some words here and there
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New thread

>>180827065
>>180827065
>>180827065
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>>180826907
Dang, Ive never seen this video. Thanks !
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>>180821781

>>Chloe vigorously buffing the hamster to that
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