/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

1ST FOR ISABEAU A SHIT!

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>>180689815
Why happened to art-kun anyway? He was a god.

post lewd Bobos

>>180689815
>>180689956
who drew those?

Im stuck on SMTIV, im in the forest and i beat Strix, Hope told me to go deeper into the forest but i dont have anywhere left on the map to go.

theres only one path covered in vines but i cant melee it away.

today we drink chocolated milk

Reminder that the screenshots of an alleged SMTIV mod are just edited screenshots; there is no mod.

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>>180690146
A japanese guy who stopped in a few dozen threads back.

>>180690187
rescue the rest of the people
they're from the west and east edges of the map

>>180690393
Im pretty sure i did that, because i got the message from hope after rescuing one more after strix.

>>180690541
you sure? I'm assuming you went for Strix's room first

>>180690146
>>180690375
This was posted a while back, but somebody compiled these on a Google Drive folder, so i figured i post a link it for those that haven't seen them.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48kK1c_iE4iMFMyZTRvT2FjekU

>>180690734
damn Argilla lewds

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>>180690682
No, i saved like 2-3 people first, then strix and one more person after. Theres no where on the map for me to go.

Looked at the faq, ive done everything, killed the various hordes. I don't know what to do.

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more Rei Reiho pls

>>180691479
that path beside the veined one, the guard is no longer there

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>>180691479
Dude go to the other path and walk down it.

>>180691524
blue board bro

>>180691643
Thats fucked up, I went there right after strix and he was still there.

You have to go get healed by Hope then he fucks off.

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>>180691524
>more Rei Reiho pls
>>180690734
I remember these, good shit.

>>180691923
uh-huh....I'm pretty sure I did the same thing before too

rare IMAGINE track
at what part does this play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYs1PoodL8M

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>>180691524
She truly is the patricians' choice.

I want Raidou 3 with sword + pistol combat style like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acz4rcbUV9Q&t=2s

>>180693964
i'd go for metal gear raidou personally

>>180693964
Other than it's cool, what is the point of having a gun and a sword that shoots energy waves?

Why does DDS look so shit compared to Nocturne? The visuals are just terrible.

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how can one angel be so based

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how can one man be so based?

>>180694613
>one
>when there are actually thousands of them
which metatron do you love anon

>>180694521
oh that's just an ultimately forged sword he's using

>>180694602
probably a much bigger game

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>>180694724

>>180694757
the one that is my other self

>>180694820
oic my b

I have a question i'd like answered without spoilers.

So i just got to see the black samurai, and i noticed she's got that same helmet from the guy from the strange journey cover. I never played strange journey, this is my first SMT. Is the black samurai linked to strange journey somehow and am i missing a connection here because didnt play strange journey?

>>180694757
The one who swears.

>>180695873
They aren't related.

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Would you?

>>180695945
Okay so it's just a reoccurring design?

>>180695961
Absolutely
NOT!

>>180695961
>yasuda anything
no

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>>180696002
The Demonica was introduced in Strange Journey, that's all. There's some other SJ references in the game too.

There's a lot of references in IV in general.

>>180696701
>The Demonica
This is the name of the armor.

>>180696701
>You will never hang with your /smtg/ bros at Club Milton

>>180696843
>wanting to be in IV's universe at all
We can have a drug party feat. shitty bass-boost Nocturne music in my basement, anon.

Only come if you're hot, though.

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https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=58761139

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>>180678675
You are so fucking stupid, it's almost hilarious. Don't post "your" shitty "mod" here again.

>>180697812
>you two virgins are still arguing about this
Some extra strength autism here.

>>180651556
p4g has the dumb marie dungeon

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remember that time in SMT 2 when you fight a crash-test dummy in front of madam's screen?

>>180695961
Why is he so violently autistic?
>HURRR I WANNA FIGHT YOU REEEEEEE while there's like 20 JP's agents in the room
>later he's calm as fuck
>MAKOTO MAKOTO GIVE IT UP YAMATO HOTSUIN IS EVIL
>makoto just sort of has to deal with a raging sperg by nodding her head
>MY SENPAI MUUUUH SENPAI
>even though his senpai is still alive and you never fucking tell him, which could have saved a lot of people
>kills makoto, even though she did literally nothing wrong and she was one of the nicest people in the whole game
>wants 'peace and equality' but wants it by throwing a giant tantrum
>yamato's death on AO and ronaldo route makes sense, since he's stuck to his ideals all his life, but this faggot goes full nuclear autism after losing because....muh peace and equality, I guess?
>then jerks off joe for the whole triangulum arc after trying to rape airi and wants to kill every godlike being in existence
Seriously, what an utter mess of a character. Entertaining, but in the sort of a way a chimpanzee throwing shit at the walls of its cage is entertaining.

Ive played like 6 hours of IV today, Good game.

Could use more variety but its fun.

>>180700739
>more variety
Such as?

>>180700951
More boss fight quests instead of fetch 5 rat tails. Some gimmicks to the dungeons instead of just filling out the map.

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>>180689902

>>180701237
IVA is a game you'll most likely appreciate more. It's a lot more polished in general.

The character writing not so much, unfortunately.

>>180701687
i like the game enough right now, more for the story but i don't know if i can play 50 hours of it or whatever if it doesn't evolve any.

>>180701687
>Playing games for writing

>>180690220
I hope chocolated milk is forever

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>>180701687
Dagda is awesome at least. And the Divine Powers. And Pascal a cute.

The rest of the cast is a forgettable shitshow. But it's not like SMTIV was much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5XZzTq_gzI

>>180701824
The story and plot of IVA isn't bad (and it's a lot faster paced than IV), just the character writing is pretty Persona-y.
The actual gameplay is much better though, especially with the affinity system + general touches here and there.
>>180701862
Why are you greentexting things that haven't been said?

>>180702070
>implying

>>180701237
I actually skipped like 90% of quests and thought being forced to do them after the alignment lock was gay. Fuck tokyo and hope, I just want to kill all law and chaosfags to get it over with.

>>180702070
>It was implied

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>>180701687
>get to the "end" of IVA
>20 hour "postgame" dungeon with a horrible remix of the YHVH battle theme from SMT2
>except it's not a postgame dungeon, you have to finish it to see the credits

Guess the egg is on my face for bitching about IV's dungeons all being way too short and simple

>>180701996
Replaying it now, I actually liked Gaston's character. He's an asshole and it's great, it's nice to have characters that don't dick suck Nanashi almost constantly. That, and his later character development not gameplay-wise though, he still stole your press turns like a cunt

>>180702303
I really didn't think YHVH's Universe was that bad, I was surprised how hated it was.

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>>180702113
Except it wasn't even implied, that's my point.

I just said the character writing was worse.

>>180702481
>It's over his head now

>>180702558
>expecting half-decent reading comprehension when you can just meme arrows xd
I've expected too much from /vg/

>>180702697
We were joking, nigglet. What did you think I meant with >>180702558?

>Reading comprehension

>>180699419
remember that time in SMT2 where you fight beetlejuice

fuck SMT2 is cool

>>180702785
I want this memery to end!

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>resources were wasted on this shit and the WiiU never got any good RPGs

It hurts.

>>180703335
That game is okay and the music is good.

>>180703335
it's a pretty good RPG, tbqhfamicom. can't hate on solid mechanics

>>180703335
Try harder next time, the game is awesome.

>>180703335
I feel you man, I feel you.

>>180703335
>resources were wasted
Nigga it was bankrolled by AVEX. I'd rather take this over 80 Persona 4 games.

>>180703335
It was better RPG than Final.

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>>180704526
He's right though Apocalypse was a shallow garbage.

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>>180704648

>>180704893
Tayama did nothing wrong.

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>>180702070
>The story and plot of IVA isn't bad

>>180704958
he's right, and krishna is /ourguy/ for the record

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>>180705059

>>180704958
It isn't, dumb Yusuke poster. I know that one raging autist from reddit will come charging in here about how it doesn't make sense and trivializes law/chaos and it disrupts all the headcanons he has but at its core its a decent enough plot, good number of twists, fast paced, villains are pretty interesting, so on.

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>>180698373
>implying you aren't one of them

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>>180705182
>story goodness depends on amount of twists
Thanks for clarifying that you don't understand shit in writing. Go watch your Michael Bay trash movies or something.

>>180705451
>one of the four points is all of his points
Thanks for clarifying that you don't understand shit in reading. Why don't you go back to playing Persona?

>>180705182
>good number of twists, fast paced, villains are pretty interesting, so on.
Wow thats a strong shitposting right here dude...

>>180705059
That pooinloo fag is overrated.

>>180705606
t. Dagda

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>>180705182
It's okay in theory. In practice it's really strange and reads like a bad fangame. The "friendship" thing is really forced and awkward and you can really tell they wanted to try to build a Persona-style cast.

The new town is absolute extreme comfy though, which makes me forgive most of its flaws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPm3dVPIcE

Honestly just making Nozomi be not a horrible annoying bitch might be a good first step to "fixing" the game's story. She was really likeable in SMTIV.

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Right before Asherah in Fornax. First SJ run. Going full 100% completion autism. Got 62% compendium and 68% analysis completion right now. Amazing how there's only a small subset of races that get you varied results, while other races are useless or cycle into each other.

>>180705543
Kinda ironic to tell someone to play Persona while defending the Persona of SMT desu.

>>180706248
No it isn't, what are you talking about? SMT is the darksouls of persona.

>>180706248
kinda ironic to bash the Persona of SMT while posting a Persona character desu

>>180705371
I have better things to shitpost about than some shitty hentai edit, anon.

>>180705840
>Nozomi be not a horrible annoying bitch might be a good first step to "fixing" the game's story
Isn't that just a character writing issue, than a story issue?

>>180707472
/smtg/ doesn't know the difference between character writing and plot, if you try to defend or criticize one for a game and they don't know how to respond, they'll just go after the other.

>>180707472
Characters and story go hand and hand.

>Not ignoring Yusuke fujos
I shiggity dig do those grills are just like Groofags except they're not doing it ironically

>>180707917
see?

>>180707472
Main problem with the story itself is there's nothing coherent or memorable between the time that you release Krishna and the part where you fight Lucy/Merkebah.

>>180708148
See what?

post Asa-hees

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>>180708496

>>180707917
They're two different things, anon. You can have something with a shit story but enjoyable characters and vice-versa.
>>180708151
The first repel Shesha mission and the attack on Kinshicho are pretty memorable parts, imo.

>>180708726
The latter I can agree with, but not the former. A story is made by how characters go about achieving their goals and interacting with one another, to make this short. Otherwise you end up with trash where blankslates do what the writer needs them to. Bonus points if the only notable thing about the story is plot twists.

>>180708726
Define story then fucktard. Characters are literally elements of storytelling, tools.

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>>180709378
This. It doesn't matter if screwdriver is pretty if it can't screw for shit.

>its "IVF apologists don't know the difference between story and plot while trying to sound smart" episode

>>180709337
>>180709378
I guess I'm confusing "story" more for 'plot'.
>A story is made by how characters go about achieving their goals and interacting with one another
Although I'll disagree with this, because a story is also influenced by the events. Which is why there's things like character-driven stories, for example

>>180702475
It wasn't that bad though it was unnecessarily big.

>>180709632
who are those people?

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So I just beat the original Devil Survivor as my first SMT game. What do I start with next?

>>180712178
kmt ore smt1

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What do?

>>180705919
This is the problem in basically every SMT game. Once you get rolling with a team you eventually just start fusing basically the same demon races over and over. I don't really ever go for 100% completion runs, but I will normally purposefully go for something odd at times just to vary my results up more.

>>180712119
tnx for updating the list

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>>180712119
>Administrator of the Universe is normalfag tier
>Adam incarnate is normalfag tier
>Joker in the same league as Door-kun
Wow what an utterly shitty list.

can someone post the "tummy ache" comic thanks

>>180714853
hi Shit-oge, how's marriage life with Raku?

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>Karukozaka, St. Hermelin, Kasugayama and Seven Sisters jammin' in the same spot

Damn. I can't be the only one who is weak for this kind of fanservice, right?..
If... when?

>>180686609
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabeau_of_Bavaria

>>180716148
>Indecisive queen who tried to fit in both factions
Deepest lore.

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>>180715553
>>180715673
>>180715853
>leddit make better guetto memes than /smtg/

>>180716460
nice

>>180716460
kek

"Hello, YHVH?"

/smtg/ dead again

>>180723785

>>180722539
Why does 3rd brane suck?

/smtg/ is not dead /vg/ is just too damn fast, threads being deleted for having no new replies for a few hours is ridiculous I blame gacha shit for this.

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this is Asahi's voice say something nice to her

>>180725145
too bad Asahi a shit

>>180725074
Raidou needs to be there

>>180725145
at least she got to voice Futaba

>>180725591
I guess that's fine

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It's kind of amazing how much I don't care about any of the characters in Final or IV in general.
I got more attached to Pixie in Nocturne or Pascal in I.

>>180716460
Too bloated. The first "Kaneko?" "Kaneko machine broke" should've been enough. Keep it simple.

>>180725586
Raidou is not a demon

>>180726352
Demi-Fiends at the bottom right corner

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>>180725074
Old Hathor was cute

>>180726814
Demi-fiend is a demon. A true deep demon.

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How come you can never stack multiple ailments in this series.
Would be fun with enemies and players.
Imagine.

>>180728962
Pretty sure in IV ailments stack.

>>180729514
Why is Krishna so perfect for Trade/Fundraise abuse?

>>180728962
I see you have never met toot pajoot

>>180729926
Venomous Raga

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pgfaggot here, can someone explain to me how buffs work in Nocturne?
I've realized there's way more layers to buffing than just a single one and it doesnt seem to have a time limit, but i'm mostly confused because the bosses use a skill that supposedly removes all debuffs and yet they still feel like they have the debuff on, does Dekaja remove only a single layer or all of them?

>>180731621
Dekaja removes enemies buffs, all stacks of it. Dekunda removes the caster and it's allies debuffs.

>>180731621
there are 4 stacks of buffs/debuffs and dekaja/nda removes all to 0, no time limits
At least this is how I feel when I'm playing

>>180731621
>there's way more layers to buffing than just a single one and it doesnt seem to have a time limit

welcome to SMT where the duration of the buffs is not by turn limit meaning they will last long until the end of the fight or if someone uses Dekunda/Dekaja

>>180731813
>>180731830
So it's all stacks? I find that really weird, Dante used holystar to remove the debuffs I put on him during the fight but it felt like his -4def and -3agi just went down to -2agi and -3def than going to 0.

How in the FUCK does turn order work in Devil Survivor? Demons are going multiple times before my high schoolers/demons are able to move once

>>180714853
>>Adam incarnate is normalfag tier
What's special about Adam, aside from being first?

>>180732038
I only figured this out when I was basically done with the game. It's determined by the "Speed" stat of each character, and every action you take pushes your turn back farther. For example, if you attack and move, your turn will go farther back than if you just moved. And another trick, if you move while bound it counts as moving, so if you just End instead of trying to move your next turn will come much sooner with full move.

>>180732761
Also counterattacking pushes your turn back as well. Guarding doesn't negate this effect, either.

>>180732468
Swimming in snake cloaca.

>>180732823
how do i stop people from getting locked in place if i cant stop their turn from getting pushed back on counterattack?

>>180703335
>tfw when you realize this was atlus first HD rpg

what a shit show atlus was last gen

>>180734056
All this dankness is dank.

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What is the SMT equivalent of Xenoblade's signature visual the grassy field?

>>180734260
>suddenly sword stuck on a plain is the icon for Xenoblade
Anyway, I'd say Nocturne's Press Start screen, which is in turn is just a reference to the boxart of SMT I

>>180734260
Demons in a dark room with glowy eyes duh

Friendly reminder that Jack Frost is dead right now since it's summer.

>>180734614
I keep my Jacks in the freezer.

>>180734713
>2011
>keeping your jacks in the freezer
ishygddt

>>180733131
You really can't, so you have to make the most of your turns. The more actions you take per turn, the more it's pushed back, so you need to make sure you can leave yourself in a good enough position when you end a turn.

DeSu1 is kind of annoying in that the only reasonably fast character you get for most of the game is Keisuke or possibly the protagonist.

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>>180734559
>>180734582

>>180734614
>he didn't teach his frost at LEAST null fire

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>>180734841
>screenshot

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>>180734953
Walter's chest will never not offend me. He looks like a character from a badly animated hentai.

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>>180734953

>no lucifer/yhvh/satan threesome doujins OR fanfictions
What the fuck

>>180735003
get out useless Honda

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>>180735159
>lucifer being double teamed by the ultimate lawfags

I want it

>>180735479
How does a floating head have sex?

>>180735689
Head in pussy.

>>180725074
Rollin

>>180701996
>posting anything by SimplyDad
HURR ANIME IS GAY

>>180725074
Spinning

>>180736606
>06
who?

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>>180736859
>not recognizing best pupper

>>180737559

How many dogs exists in megaten? I only know the more popular ones like Pascal, Orthros, Cerberus and koromaru

>>180733131
>>180734802
The good news is that works both ways and you can hold off bosses turns that way.

>>180737723
There's also Hairy Jack and Newton from Giten.

>>180725074
rollo

>>180725074
anything cute pls

>>180725074
giv nyarlu

>>180738108

Nice dogs, I like Newton in particular, I like how he's a cyberpunk dog, fitting for how the series were back then

>>180715853
>>180715553
>>180716460
Boring and cringey twitter shit.

Remember when 4chan used to be the one who made OC while the rest of the internet copied them? I miss those days.

>>180739719
It's hard to make OC on 4chan while most posters here are from reddit, twitter and tumblr

>>180739719
>>180740342
>implying it's not the fear of theft that makes this place utter pussies with OC
Hue

Eyes on the objective.

>>180705840
My biggest problem with IVA was the way it handled the bonds ending. Throughout the game, you have Dagda constantly whispering in your ear about how friends only hold you back and make you weaker, but the gameplay never reflects on this. No one in the group ever really holds you back or makes your life any harder. Yes, there's the ONE point where Nozomi rats you out to Fujiwara and Skins, but that amounts to nothing. You go to the cafe, and they let you free. The end.

So throughout the game, your "moral choices" are just being a decent human being, or constantly insulting a group of people who (however cliched they may be) have only ever really tried to help you.

Game would have been a lot better, in my opinion, if the bonds route had actually been the harder one, with party members betraying your trust throughout leaving you in the lurch just when you need them most, or, at the very least, not trusting you with their lives right as soon as you fucking meet them. That way, it would feel like you'd actually earned a happy ending when you fought through all the tough times and got out with all your friends alive. Also, going massacre would feel more justifiable.

Objective complete.

>>180745417
I'm still not sure if they were actually intentionally trying to make most of your party a bunch of unlikeable cunts or not.

Giving it some time I think I don't dislike Gaston as much as I did at the beginning
Help

>>180745417
I would've liked to see the alignment lock done differently in this game. Mid-game, have your friends ditch you if you have enough negative alignment points, make Dagda lead you more through the plot.
Some boss battles can be replaced by fighting your former friends and their demons, like Isabeau's battle in IV.
>>180747149
Gaston is best boy in your cast. Shame he's not useful in battle aside from Shesha fights.

>>180747149
He's actually pretty decent character. And the only partner character that has some substantial even if minimal character development.

>>180725074
Roll

>>180749276
Hallelujah had some character development and his own character arc.

IVA had too many characters imo. Should've had Nozomi be more of a minor partner, remove Toki completely or have her die, and have Hallelujah replace Navarre.

>>180697812
Oh shit this proves it. The other guy never posted webms.

Phoenix Down

YHVH let out it's voice

>>180753032
Fuck you.

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>>180753242

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Is it true that dagda was supposed to be a completely different character? I don't recall the actual celtic god being edgelord incarnate.

Samarecarm

Mudoon

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>>180757379
>agi

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>>180757571

Necroma

>>180745417
I kind of feel this. The entire game I thought Hallelujah was gonna betray you I was basically waiting for nasty shit to happen. Then I thought it would go down during the Mikado arc, but Gaston helps you immediately and Hallelujah's big secret is just pushed aside by everyone.

It wouldn't even have been hard to write some minor betrayals in the character arcs of most of your partners, but instead you get a happy-go-lucky group where nothing is ever wrong.

I still liked the game just thinking there's huge wasted potential.

>>180755159
I don't know, but it's kind of a loose fit.

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why is she so perfect

>>180755159
Dagda has something to do with life and death so he gets picked

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>>180761175
Asahi for pixies?

>>180761175
Is this an image for a Pluto soldier?

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>>180761175
That's a small Asahi.

>>180747965
>alignment lock
This is one thing that bothers me about so many SMT games in general. Your alignment literally doesn't matter up until the very end of the game, and oftentimes it barely affects anything other than the final boss or even just dialogue at the ending.

So many people rat on IVA for making your alignment matter at only the last 10% of the game, but this a huge problem in general. The only ones that're somewhat excusable are DeSu OC, thanks to the 8th day stuff, and IV, where you're supposed to do some things before you head off for the final dungeons, which thankfully are different depending on alignment. Hopefully V or HD or whatever's next fixes this and actually makes it so whatever alignment you pick plays out like a different story at a reasonably early part rather than just at the end of the game.

Is it possible to alter the text in the PS1 or Saturn versions of Soul Hackers?

Is it possible to extract the text from the 3DS version of Soul Hackers?

>>180762987

Yeah. Many games have it so that picking sides or thinking different than the rest of the team causes a divergence that in some cases drastically changes the outcome of the scenario.

A favorite of mine is how tactics ogre handled it. Just a mere moral choice between being pragmatic and sacrifice a town of innocent to rally support for your cause or be a moralfag that refuse to do it and become a scapegoat for your previous allies pretty much changes half of the game. The game was even divided into law, neutral and chaos alignments.

>>180764080
Which Tactics Ogre has that scenario?

>>180749276
>minimal
He's literally an entirely different person by the end. How is that minimal?

>>180764385
Let us Cling Together.

>>180764080
That choice in TO is pretty interesting but I hate how the aftermath is reliant on what you do. If you do slaughter the villagers, the world quickly finds out about and your group is ostracized. If you don't slaughter the villages, nobody really finds out and the people in charge of the slaughter paint you and your allies as enemies, constantly hounding you with troops.

Don't even get me started on Vyse. The game sees to it that whatever choice you make is received the worst.

Besides Maya, Tatsuya, and Flynn, have any other SMT protags had actual dialogue besides one liners and story only dialogue options?

>>180764781

I do think it kinda makes sense. In chaos route it is easy, you are the scapegoat and everybody buys the version of you massacring civilians while in law route due no escapegoat the truth leaks way earlier and law route vyse is much more charismatic and proactive than chaos route Denim and sets up the rebellion sooner than denim does

The only issued I had with it was that it was weird how in Law route little is done to capture the one who refused to murder the town and he is free to spread the truth

>>180765307
Joker says some stuff occasionally, and Minato and Yu get dialogue in PQ. And then if you consider Diamond Realms DLC then Hero, Aleph, and Demi have some dialogue as well.

And then of course (this is really a stretch) you could consider the DeSu2 protagonist having dialogue with the anime.

bring me Asa-hees

>>180765307
In DDS Demi-Fiend says a few lines.

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>>180766310
>Asa-hees

There's like two.

How come when you use Mido's recommended fusion you only get to pick one skill to pass on but if you manually enter the fusion you get to pick the entire movelist.

>>180767028
There's a button to press that lets you edit skills manually

>>180767028
because people who entrust fusion decisions to others should be punished for their stupidity

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>>180762987
I don't mind how alignment locks are handled in SMT but what I do mind is that despite how great Neutral routes end up being they almost ruin any potential replay value because you do nearly everything in the Neutral route of an SMT game. I feel like SMT IV took a good shot at changing the formula up a bit by hiding essential plot info in each route but this only really worked with the Neutral and Chaos routes. In Neutral you meet Stephen again who explains who Burroughs is and in Chaos you actually find out Hikaru is Lucifer. In Law you learn practically fucking nothing except that Merkabah was a fusion between Johnathan and the Archangels but anybody could've fucking guessed this based on Merkabah's design.

I honestly think that in a future SMT game they need pull a twist where if you pick the Neutral route the game shifts focus to completely different enemy besides Chaosfags or Lawfags. That way if you where to end up picking the Chaos or Law route then you would still have a drastically different endgame.

>>180765642
I guess, but it seems kinda strange that they avoid getting found out just by blaming one guy. You'd think people would doubt them.

Vyse's actions are unexplainable though, the game wants to establish him as a foil no matter what.

Can someone post the pic of Jack Frost saying "Hee Hold the fuck up?"

>>180766989
that's the pic I've been looking for the longest time
tnx

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>runs a magic build
>"w-why can't I kill Satan?"
absolute retard

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>>180708608

>>180764557
>before development
>faggot with an high and mighty attitude that thinks he's the hottest shit around
>after development
>faggot with an high and mighty attitude that thinks he's the hottest shit around but ended up warming up to his companions and understood that his previous bosses were wrong, also found out his brother is a ghost
Don't get me wrong, his character development wasn't that much of an overhaul, but it was nicely and timely done

>>180768164
He couldn't kill Satan with a physical build either, seeing as how he's not in his game.

>>180765307
Serph sort of since in DDS2 Schodinger turns out to be Seraph from another universe or reality and has Serph's voice, same goes for the Real Serph and Fake Serph. And since Soul Hackers got rereleased Raidou does too I guess.

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>>180767939
Close enough.

can deleted magatama skills be relearned?

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>>180758528
I like her persona.

>>180768919
No

>>180704958
Both IV and IV:A had shit plots, but some great characters. That's fine by me, really

Hurry up, Nanashi!

>>180768164
>Satan
>Nocturne
Get out retard.

>>180771589
Fuck off Asahi you stupid ass dog. Can't even fuse you into Cerberus, useless shit.

>>180771694
I want to fuse my dick with Asahi's vagoo.

>>180771931
The only problem here is that guy watching P5 on Youtube.

>>180772073
Not like he's missing out on anything important.

>>180767448
Yeah, DeSu OC I feel handled this the best since there was specific stuff to do and info within each route, even if the Neutral Route final boss (or yuzu's route) just ended up being Belberith again. 4 also especially worked since you actually did different stuff depending on the route (clearing all sidequests on neutral, fucking up some angels on chaos, and completely purifying mikado of all demon influence in law).

The thing with your idea is that I've always liked the major criticism of Neutral in that it's just 'neither Law nor Chaos and has no real cohesive ideals of its own' and so I think there should be an element of taking down the other factions. I did like in DeSu 2 how you crushed the other alignments in support of the one you chose, but didn't like how then the story just played out the same past that regardless except for some changed dialogue and some route-specific characters.

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>>180771487
IV plot is great and makes perfect sense inside a perfectly fine story. Its engulfed in symbolism and deeply seeded thematics despite being a pretty regular SMT narration in its nature, its underlying message is pretty much the same as in Nocturne which is a very deep game from its story perspective (but not from plot perspective, although it was made intentional).

Final's story and plot is nothing but garbage. There was no original underlying message in it, it was all founded on barebones anime cliche idea of friendship powers overcoming overwhelming odds without any particular reason. Its character-driven, but there was barely to no logic in actions of characters whatsoever, they were all crippled by crying plot holes. It had no idea to deliver. It was written by a hack, who unironically in his pathetic tries to justify his shitty plot progression in his previous work used fucking vagina bombs.

But you're probably one of those retarded kids who thinks that Nocturne is just a strange looking game for the sake of being strange and that there is nothing behind SMT games stories in general, while referring to every character from the franchise through perspective of Nasuversegarbage's power levels lens. Don't even try to reply me ever again, fucking intellectual dwarf.

>>180772073
poorfags

>>180767908

Yeah, Vyse was pretty weird in how he always does the opposite thing you did, specially the whole being just one choice away from either being a noble freedom fighter or a deranged power hugry dick.

At least the changes happens fairly early, and his base personality is neutral enough that he could go both ways without feeling more farfetched than it is, what with him showing traits that are exaggerated in his law and chaos versions.

Anyways, Vyse aside, I would love to see megaten take a more TO-esque radical approach with their law/chaos axis and really change how a large chunk of the game plays according to your decisions.

>>180773232
Don't post that racist hack Yamai.

>>180773469
Gideon pls.

>>180773556
That's it, you're never getting if... now, bigot.

>RPG
>No fishing

>>180774793
this isn't FFXV

>>180774793
Why would I want to fish when I could be shooting up demons?

>>180774793
Persona 4/5
>inb4 hurr no mainline

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I brought PS3, can i explain which Magatama are to pick on early, mid and late game?
Are Early magatamas be as important as those late ones? Kinda want to do a STR build but i fear to fuck up the build because i missed an early talent or something like that.
Can i recruit Dante?

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>>180774793

>>180775294
welp i fucked, it's Nocturne but i don't lots of games in the series use Magatamas to impart skills

>>180775294
>>180775465
Yeah you can recruit Dante, might wanna work on your english though, ESL newfriend

>>180776097
From the devil may cry series?

nufag killed the thread

>>180777169
I KILLED THE GENERAL KOJIRO

Ninny here, any point to replaying SMT4 on NG+ with expert difficulty on?

>>180777992
use Master difficulty only on bosses

unless you like to fight every single encounter and overpriced equipment

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>they never brought Dante in from the Divine Comedy series

>>180773232
SMTIV has its roots deeply within Theosophy, which is what I suppose you're talking about with that first bit.

SMTIV:A also has so much symbolism it isn't funny, though. The only reason why Bonds is even in the game is to a) throw personafags a bone and b) highlight a sort of pseudo law vs chaos concept to keep oldfags happy. Massacre and everything that happens on it, as well as the clash between Dagda and Krishna and everything from Hinduism to Nietzschean concepts like the Ubermensch or the Nietzsche Anti-christ to Pantheism is fascinating. The characters are barely even part of the plot and it is the existence of the party members that is mostly called into question when dealing with the core philosophies being debated, not their individual struggles.

>but muh personaaaa
Even Nocturne had a power of friendship ending you little faggot, so did SMT1, so did SMT2, so did SJ and DeSu OC and Jack Bros and every other loved game in this franchise. People just like happy go lucky endings, which is why Persona is so popular, but the true intellectuals look past what's easily marketable and recognize what Atlus is truly saying and writing with each game and not yelling 'ANIME AND POWERLEVELS REEEEEEE' like degenerate subhumans, or even worse, Persona fans that gobble that shit right up.

Get fucking educated, kiddo. If I ever see your ass around here again posting your shitty little Yamai pic and your spergy reddit spacing I'll lock you up back in /r/megaten and throw away the key.

So basically, in SMTIV, whenever i get to a boss fight i need to spend cash respeccing my team towards that bosses weakness?

I happened to have 3 demons with Bufu when i fought minotaur but now im on medusa and i dont have anyone with zan and only 2 with mazionga which uses too much MP.

>>180780212
Which ending in SMT1 was power of friendship?

>>180780212
>Even Nocturne had a power of friendship ending
I don't remember Chiaki and Isamu joining Demi-fiend in the final battle and yelling things at not-YHVH.

>>180780535
not him but neutral was way too cheery

you just killed all your friends and everybody's dead and suddenly you return everything to normal and everyone's happy

that kind of counts. not really 'power of friendship' but well out of character for the series to end on such a high note

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>>180780212
>Even Nocturne had a power of friendship ending you little faggot
Wow it sure went fast. Disregarding of your entire post I mean.

>>180780212
I want to agree with you but you can't just generalize a lot of those endings as 'power of friendship' endings just because they end on a positive note.

>>180780819
>way too cheery
Your friends are still assholes, YHVH is after your ass and you (probably) lost all your demonic powers. How the fuck is this cheery at all?

>>180780284
You don't necessarily need to always spend cash on the compendium, just keep your demons balanced. Scout demons when needed, fuse when needed, etc.

Your party is unbalanced because you don't have any Force users. You should always a demon that uses every type (designated Agi user for example, or magic user in general), a healer/support demon, etc. Don't just leave this kind of stuff when you get to boss battles.
>and only 2 with mazionga which uses too much MP.
Mazionga is electricity.

>>180781020
>yhvh is the great will
Oh boy here we go again

>>180780819
>Nocturne neutral
>cheery

So Strange Journey's neutral ending is cheery as well even though they're just post-poning the inevitable, and returning the world to the cause of the problem in the first place?

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>>180780212
>calls paragraphs of text "reddit spacing"
>calls people out for using "reddit spacing"
>then uses "reddit spacing" himself
Apocalypse apologists everyone.

>>180781020
to be fair your friends are reverted to their pre-asshole state, right? so isamu no longer is a mega autist who wants to be alone and chiaki's not a hyper bitch anymore.

and lucifer does confirm you keep your powers, I'm pretty sure, and saying the great will will come after you eventually is just like saying yhvh will come back after bonds in iva. like it could happen but it's not a terribly big deal if you can just keep reverting the world to prevent divine autism

also
>yhvh is the great will
you're asking for shit, buddy.

>>180780212
This post is so full of autism I don't even...

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>>180781412
>if you can just keep reverting the world to prevent divine autism
Are you fucking joking? We don't need more Nietzsche in this game.
>yhvh is the great will
No fuck you, I'm not getting into this shit again.

>>180780212
>IVA
>Nietzschean concepts
>Hinduism
That's a strong shitposting right here.

I like IVA because Odin does things to me

>>180782098
>I like IVA
Shit taste bud.

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>>180782334
Cant even deny t b h

>>180782098
Odin and Krishna are like the only thing that's good in 4A

Abbadon tongues my anus

>>180745417
>Throughout the game, you have Dagda constantly whispering in your ear about how friends only hold you back and make you weaker, but the gameplay never reflects on this. No one in the group ever really holds you back or makes your life any harder
Having nearly finished it, I agree with this. If anything, your partners have consistently minus Gaston been nothing but a help all throughout the game. And the game's "penalties" for sacrificing very small things to help out your friends are hardly even penalties. Sure, you lose a few HP, but what's a little HP compared to 4 whole points added to the assist gauge?

I think what >>180747965 says has a good point, but also, they should have made their friendship an actual issue they had to overcome. Have it be consistently shown that, for example,
>Asahi constantly gets targeted and nearly run down, and you have to sacrifice HP to help her out
>Navarre is constantly butting in and doing something stupid, just like his brother
>Making Hallelujah actually fucking useless.
Little hindrances. For each of them. Not dealbreaking hindrances, but hindrances that really make you question whether or not you really want to devote time into NOT slaughtering them at the end of the game, and actually be a decent person and say "I like you despite your faults."

That would have made it better, and more of an actual choice as to whether or not to betray the friends who helped you thus far.

But I have no real specifics as to how it could've been better.

>>180781939
>we don't need more nietzsche
isn't nocturne literally just a video game adaptation of thus spoke zarathustra or something? something about how a man who understands he suffers needlessly rises above it and becomes an ubermensch?

the game's as nietzsche as you can get, chaos literally builds its whole alignment off of it.
>I'm not getting into this shit again.
yeah, no, fuck you, yhvh is not the great will. end of story. what is said about the great will in nocturne makes zero sense or is compatible with any other game if he's yhvh. i'm sick and tired of people forcing this meme that 'it's implied' it's not. they're. not. the. same. dumb fumiposter

>>180782580
IVA had a great atmosphere going, just that you had the characters constantly break the bleak/dark tone of the game.
That, and the Kinshicho music going back to normal after you finish off Quetzalcoatl. I'm replaying the game and never realized how jarring it was
>no music plays when Kinshicho gets invaded
>station is bloodier, just had somebody somewhat significant die in the story
>finish boss
>cheerful music comes back, setting off a mood whiplash

>>180783070
>yeah, no, fuck you, yhvh is not the great will
I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just not getting into this argument again because I don't give a shit anymore.

>>180782816
I don't think that would have worked from a symbolic perspective. The whole point of Bonds vs Anarchy was not a question of your partners' ability or helpfulness, it was more about how humanity could progress past the figurative and literal dark ages of Tokyo and Mikado respectively and what effect that would have on society. Which is why Anarchy ends up being more than just butchering your friends, it also means destroying the grand order of society (albeit in a very rushed and easy battle with skins and fujiwara). It was kind of a poorly written mix of Neutral with Law and Chaos.

I think the game did a decent job at highlighting this, seeing as how you reject Krishna's plan for what seems to be a unified anarchy and focus solely on either unifying all life or creating a new individualism heavy order, but it just tied in so poorly with how the characters were implemented. Like, it's character driven, but it's not actually really about the characters, which makes it needlessly confusing. The problem then is that the writers put themselves in a corner because you have these 7 characters who you can't develop and can't make split between Bonds and Anarchy because that would ruin the point of the dichotomy. And then the worst part as you said is that there's no real negatives for Bonds but there seems to be only negatives for Anarchy (especially in gameplay), so it comes off as slanted.

I see what they tried to do but they failed miserably, I don't mind partners and the like but the whole Persona thing they tried to do mixing in with the common SMT stuff made it come off as an identity crisis.

>>180781196
Atlus does a shit job conveying is temporary that is if they try to do it at all. Even on /smtg/ a good chunk of the poster sees the neutral ending of Strange Journey as le fuck yeah humanity :DDDD happy ending

>>180784047
> the whole Persona thing they tried to do mixing in with the common SMT stuff made it come off as an identity crisis.
Yeah. I like both series, but the fundamental underlying problem fusing the two concepts is that Persona is all about "If you keep the bonds of the friends you made, you can do anything."
Meanwhile, SMT is "All my friends are dead."
You just can't mix them.

>>180784685
>good chunk of the poster sees the neutral ending of Strange Journey as le fuck yeah humanity :DDDD happy ending
Well it's hard not to when it hyped as such, even with the issue being stuck in the back of your heard, you're filled with BRILLIANCE and hope that you can prove demons wrong.
>>180782580
>those voices
10/10

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXM9jEZlg1k
Have a Silvagunner Rip.

>>180781252
>proper grammar and text structure is reddit

I really hate how this meme picked up.

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While we're on the subject of Apocalypse, can I just add that I fucking hate Adramelech?
He was a prick and the reason all the things happened in the first place.

>>180785975
He did literally nothing wrong, though.
>points out that humans eat demon meat and even admires them for their efficiency
>claims he's been knighted by lucifer, and is very trusted and loyal, if he's the leader of the troops sent to kill krishna
>evidently popular, since he's got his own little posse
>helps you out during shesha and does the most damage
>kills that annoying nigger manabu and the old fuck who was going to die eventually
>helps you get in contact with dagda and kill your friends and make an objectively better universe
>is objectively the best fire magic user in the entire game once you get stat boosters
>has great fashion and a great design
man, I fucking hate YOU.

>>180785975
Where was he in IV?

>>180785280
Not just that, but the sheer light-heartness of the characters was extremely jarring too.
Obviously not saying that SMT is and should be grimdark all the time, but the setting and plot of the game vs. how the characters act gets very off-putting at times.
>>180785975
I liked Adramelech honestly. He was a cunt and it's great, and how he reacts when you use your friends as meat shields was fun. Gave me an edgy boner.
>and the reason all the things happened in the first place.
Nah, I'd say that's Odin. Odin was the one who lead Nanashi and Asahi to free Krishna, which started to set off everything.

>>180785925
The meme was spread wrong

reddit spacing

is supposed to be like this

senteces seperated with paragraphs for no reason

albeit it has been common on internet forums since the very start of the internet

even on 4chin

it makes posts look more clear instead of a convoluted wall of text.

>>180786517
>He was a cunt and it's great
He was a cunt. And I agree it was great.
But only in so much as finally being able to fight him and get revenge on him for killing my nigger and mentor.
I never felt hyped for anything else up until that point in apocalypse.

>>180773314
>can't afford ~100 bux for a fucking ps3 and the game

>>180699834
Ronaldo is a perfect example of Law Representative without the Angels or YHVH to guide them.

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>>180780212
>SMT1
>power of friendship ending
>literally killing your friends

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Thoughts on concept art Krishna?

>tfw minmaxing bites you in the ass
So, quick question: How am I supposed to get through YHVH's universe if I only have MAG and AGI above 100?

>>180791807
Are you referring the stat-locked doors? They're optional.

>>180745417
Asashi technically made Nanashi's life harder by accepting a job from Odin to unseal Krishna despite being warned by Sukuna Hikona multiple times that she was being lied to and freeing Krishna would have negative consequences. There's also the fact that the party never tried to bond or help Dagda, instead choosing to have him killed and replaced with a nicer version at Bonds despite the old version being the source of Nanashi's strength.

>>180791907
At least they're optional, but this dungeon is going to be the death of me.
I guess I can't complain if SJ is going to be even more confusing, though.

>>180791720
What we got is much better, and it makes more sense that he doesn't look like a white guy.

Wish I could say the same for Mermaid, Maitreya, and Shesha.

>>180791720
He looks even more like a leprechaun and even less like an indian god.

>>180792525
Maitreya's final design was necessary because he was Mithra pretending to an enlightened bhudda. Either that or being birthed from Inanna made Mithra different

how does Jun throwing flowers in P2 do more damage than like everyone else's weapon