/tf2g/- Team Fortress 2 General:

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Gaben will pay

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>Heavies buffed

Time to call Blaris and destroy pubs again. Yes, all 5 people on the enemy team

>>180315180
>Heavy gets buffs
>Pyro gets nothing
lmao

why the fuck didnt they think to add syringe guns healing 2-4 hp / needle yet?

>makes Cbow better for long range burst healing
>make useless pew pew weapons useful for close -med range sustain healing

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post yfw good balance changes are happening

>>180315231
>This is a work-in-progress; items may change prior to release.
t. can't read

>>180315180
>no changes to the steak and dalakohs

>>180315321
>He wasn't around for the Uber Update or Pyromania

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post yfw valve will save tf2 AND get rid of shitters at the same time

someone meme Blaris's heavy please, too lazy to do it myself

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>>180315325
>removed damage penalty to eviction notice
this update is gonna be awesome

>>180315304
full image where

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>>180315463
>eviction notice will no longer be viable in medieval mode

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>>180315463
>Still has the faster hit speed
oh jeez

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>>180315550

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>no pyro changes announced yet
DR and DDS nerfs are nice though

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>>180315674
>DDS nerf makes it better against pyros
STANDING

>>180315463
no neps
you die now

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>steam is still down

I hate spy but also feel bad for them, those nerfs are harsh

Also they ruined the panic attack, it was fun, now its basically the same as stock.

>>180315945
are you kidding? you can fire unlimited with each successive shot it speeds up. i think thats what they are saying

>play a lot of demo
>still get killed easily with mediocre K/D

>pick up soldier when bored
>get 4:1 on average

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Now fix the caber

>>180315832
>dds is now the counter to brainless scorch shot spammers
i have a reason to equip it now without feeling like an asshole because pyro mains aren't people

>>180316020
>you can fire unlimited with each successive shot it speeds up
were does it say that at all? You pulled all that meaning out of thin air

pyro is going to get ridiculous buffs. i can sense it

>>180315945
i don't
i played spy frequently and felt terrible about using the ambassador+dead ringer, they aren't balanced well

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>guillotine no longer mini-crits

Removing the crit on stun, whatever

removing mini crits entirely, this thing is shit now. 30 damage and a bleed, its literally not worth it anymore

>>180316108
>counter
you still get bounced around pinhead

>>180316154
>Shot pattern grows with successive shots (e.g. while holding down the attack button), but resets after you stop firing or reload
i assume thats the only way to make a weapon that gets weaker and weaker the more you use it viable, to allow it to continue being fired for a long time

sent an e-mail to the tf team asking to nerf the diamondback and buff the bison, rift weapons and caber. it occurs to me that i forgot about the bazaar bargain, but that's not such a big deal.

>>180316062
You sound bad, friend.

>>180316191
Crit on stun was the best thing it had going for it. Should have cut the damage down to 35 or something

>>180316297
You assume?
It doesn't say anything about unlimited shots, or shots getting faster
you are a bad man

>>180316376
What do you want done to the Bazaar Bargainn?

>>180316405
why is soldier so easy

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>>180316157
i just thought about it
>dds buffed
>pyro is getting more mobility, enough to be close to sniper enough to make this worth using
GOOD BYE SNIPERs, GOOD BYE SPIES

>>180316376
bazaar bargain buffs are an indirect hacker buff, it's unsafe

>>180316376
bb is fine as it is, leave the poor thing alone

>>180316449
12 players + splash against newfigs who don't know how to avoid chokes

>>180316481
it's literally just for flares though

>>180316565
>50% res against fire

>>180316565
>implying pyro isn't getting a flare sniper
>implying pyro flamethrower isn't getting high range
>implying pyro isn't getting a molotov 4th slot weapon to explosive jump

>>180316191
Yeah, the whole point was a potential one shot. Now there's pretty much no reason to use it.

I like the new pocket pistol though, I've always liked the sound it makes but it felt weak.

>>180316432
slight nerf seeing as how once you get a few headshots it's a straight upgrade.
>>180316485
hence why i wouldn't want the thing buffed. it's already too damn strong in the hands of a good sniper.

>>180316481
>pyro is getting more mobility
lol

>>180316721
I want a gas tank secondary that increases his flame ammo

>>180316820
>Weapon that rewards headshots should not reward headshots

>>180316925
>secondary that increases his flame ammo
how boring

>>180316925
How about
>increases flame range
>increases movement speed while firing
>explode on death
>+20% explosive damage vulnerability

>>180316983
that's an overreaction to his post
he said a slight nerf, not to cut its core mechanic

>>180316983
it rewards headshots at first, yes, but once you get them, there's nothing stopping you from hardscoping for a second and a half to get nothing but bodyshots that you don't need to aim for. it's a direct upgrade at that point on the same tier as the eyelander, except even stronger.

>check reddit to see if spy mains are gonna complain til the dead ringer isnt nerfed
>platinum spy main writes an essay
>12 upvotes
>random dude makes a comment about how the DR nerf is good
>33 upboats
maybe reddit isnt as stupid as i thought.......

>>180317380
>DR nerf
>good
It was a nerf to what was already the worst watch. No real spy should have used it in its previous state, and its current state is even more terrible. Valve should have buffed it.

>>180317352
Except it actually requires skill to land those beginning headshots, it's not like the machina.

>>180317380
Reddit babbies are all bad at the game. Thus they are easy prey for DR mains. Thus they are the ones most likely to cry about the DR being nerfed.

>>180317380
mayyybeeee

>The main thing is the GRU : there's many missions with GRU Heavybots, and those bots are going to kill themselves before reaching the hatch. Let's hope it (does not?) happen.

>>180317525
yes, but even the the machina has a few sizable downsides that would prevent a good sniper from considering it as an option. what would prevent a good sniper from picking the bazaar bargain? most of the shots you make and most of the targets you go for can be dropped by a quickscope anyway. the downside is initially negligible anyway, and once you land those quickscopes, there's no downsides at all. other snowball type weapons still have downsides once you snowball to maximum efficiency, like the air strike.

>>180317514
>DR
>worst watch

i see your bullshit and raise you the C&D

>>180317514
>the worst watch
in competitive
so casual play benefits and comp is unchanged
i see nothing wrong here

>>180317514
C'mon now, if you wanted (You)'s, you could have just asked. Have one on the house.

>Hey we want to make players use these items that are never used!
>So we're going to destroy some existing items into never being used

Someone please explain to me how the Sandman and Guillotine were ever a fucking problem.

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>no revert to bison "bug fix"

may i have some (You)s please
if no then i'll get them by saying that the sandman-guillotine combo should not have been removed

>>180317691
not anon

BB does become strong after the first few headshots but it doesnt provide defensive buffs like eyelander does in terms of bonus health

a BB kangaroo man at full bonus is just as squishy as a stock snip, and will still die in one quickscope headshot

it DOES get stronger over time but it also doesnt let you live longer or move faster like the eyelander does

>>180317945
Didn't you notice no mentions of Pyro changes, when the update is centered around him? They're obviously keeping some shit under wraps.

>>180317935
explain how the bison was worth nerfing in the first place

bonus cookies: no mvm balancing allowed

>>180317693
>the "get into position and be able to wait indefinitely for the perfect time to pick the enemy medic" watch
>bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JADbX2ydDGM

>>180317735
It should have been buffed to become viable in competitive.
>>180317747
I wasn't fishing for (You)s.

Getting (You)s is easy, watch this.
Sandman/Cleaver takes skill
DR is not an issue, you should just shoot the spy.
If you let a pyro get close to you, he deserves those RS minicrits
Just shoot the razorback sniper, that's what your revolver is for
Gunboats are OP
Iron bomber is a crutch.

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t. reddit

>>180317956
i meant in the terms that, once you get all the heads as eyelander demoknight, the -25 hp downside is completely lost and is in fact, completely replaced by even more health than you started off with or would have without using the eyelander. in the same vein, a bazaar bargain sniper will start off in worse shape, yes, but have better charge than a stock sniper with no downsides.

name one situation where using your pistol as a scout is a good idea

>>180318148
Out of scattergun ammo and you need to kill someone who's low.

>>180318092
last one is a fact not a (you) factory. some people just dont want to hear the truth

>>180318148
Mopping up.
Scattergun has a long reload time.

>>180318148
dealing damage to a sentry from a safe distance

>>180317956
this
i'd like to also see eyelander snowball effect reworked. i know this is team fortress 2 but having to deal with a 225 HP demo running at scout speed because of my teams incompetence isnt fun

>>180318067
i dont think a DR buff would make spy much better in comp. he's a class that preys on the other teams stupidity, which is not a factor in comp

>>180318067
>the "leave your team down one player pretending to be a super mario boo to get a pickafter 30 minutes" watch
>good

>vid
only reason that pick on the med happened was b/c of the big earner
and it couldve been done with stock just as easy

>>180318067
If you weren't fishing for (You)'s, you would have been more specific. You're a tricky little fisherman though, so have another. But this is the last one (You)'ll get from me.

>>180318256
They are all facts, friend.

Isn't the changes to gloves of running urgently a straight buff? They can be used as a melee weapon now.

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>tfw no busty, scalie fempyro gf to worship feet of

also,
>-30% damage on panic attack in exchange for no random spread

>>180318121
except he will still die in one QS dink shot like a stock sniper
even at full charge

>>180318303
the spy in the vid was able to sit in a low activity corner with CnD rather than roam around for ammo and constantly risk bumping

>>180318418
>ignoring the 50% increase in pellets
fucking dipshit frogposter, youre probably masketta you stupid asshole. go neck yourself.

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>>180317951
>Wanting a (You)
What a nerd.
Take this because I agree with you.

>>180318551
50% of 0 is still 0
,'^)

>>180318437
so? i never once claimed that the bb gave sniper more survivability, it's just that once you get the heads, it's a better weapon than stock. it lets you do more damage much faster, and in the case of fully charged bodyshots, with much less effort. you'll still get dropped in one hit by a sniper who's better than you, sure, but that's because it's not dds levels of broken. it's just better than stock.

>>180318620
0 dmg is still damage
:^)

>>180317951
ill give you a (you) friend, i wouldn't want valve to think people actually didnt want it nerfed

>>180317951
I agree with you

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who /excited for jungle/ now that the team is actively listening

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why is TF2 infested with furries?
how many of you are furries unironically?

>>180318852
>valve
>listening
>listening to GOOD ideas
>ever


>inb4 strange taunts are added because reddit asked for them

>>180318936
pretty sure strange taunts exist buddy-o

>>180318870
general deviance and degeneracy thrive in the community, plus they've been here a very long time
i am not ironically or unironically

>>180318870
I'm not a furry either ironically or unironically. But I am an unironic brony.

>>180318978
SEEEE?????

Not excited at all until the update drops

It'll prolly be just like Binding Of Issac. Year long wait for disappointment

>>180318936
Did you miss the burstchester being released?

Fucking wow, a lot of these changes fucking suck. It's fucking nerf central. The only nerfs to meta weapons that were remotely reasonable was the Crossbow and Rescue Ranger. The rest they may as well delete from the fucking game. Someone at valve must be that guy who picks sniper when the team already has 3 snipers and holds back tears when they get backstabbed, after reading what they did to that class.

The Base Jumper nerf, where they fucking high that day?

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>>180319050
>bronies
>not furries

>>180318852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tj2zJ2Wvg

>>180319134
tf2 youtube celebrity mr. paladin, is that you

>>180318870
Probably because its free and has lots of cancerous memes.

>>180319134
>blah blah base jumper nerf blah blah why
they said people had trouble with fast moving airborne targets, especially with the base jumper
have you ever watched a shitter try to shoot someone who's remotely competent with the base jumper out of the sky? it's depressing to watch

>>180319134
>The Base Jumper nerf, where they fucking high that day?
your a cheeky lil bugger ill give you that

>>180319134
base jumper sees usage in koth, it is very powerful. lakeside demo is some shit, they can really rain down on the enemy team at the start because the enemy demo wont be able to hit him despite being there just as fast. being able to change directions, activate and reactivate parachute, while still having stickybomb launcher makes him very formidable and he isn't often in situations where he can't reload or has to take out pipes so long as he stays in the air

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>sandman+cleaver deserved the nerf
1v1 me MGE faggots

>>180319134
Cry some more spyfag

>>180319310
have you ever watched a shitter try to shoot someone who's remotely competent on the ground? its depressing to watch

>>180319310
>have you ever watched a shitter try to shoot someone who's remotely competent with the base jumper out of the sky?
i'd have to see someone use the base jumper in the first place

>>180319450
>he has never played hightower
there are at least 4 "trolldiers" who aren't good enough with the rocket jumper using it

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>>180319425
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
IT TOOK SKILL
IT
TOOK
SKILL
TAKE IT BACK TAKE IT BACK TAKE IT BACK

>>180319134
I'm perfectly fine, glad even, for the Darwin's Danger Shield and Vita-saw changes. Those two items are megacancer and should actually be deleted from the game with how degenerate they were. I agree with the rest of your rant however.

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>>180319134
>It's fucking nerf central.
literally this. one of the reasons I still had respect for valve was because in their patches there was usually at least as many buffs or positive changes as there were nerfs

this patch is nothing but nerf, nerf, nerf. we overwatch now boys

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>>180319532
>hightower mattering
>ever

>>180319543
Can you even read? I was challenging the people who say it deserved the nerf

>>180319532
bad trolldiers seems like a weird thing to balance the game around

>>180319670
>balance the game around
adjusting the parachute is hardly a game changing balance

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13244221
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13244221
http://www.strawpoll.me/13244221

take

>>180319284
>>180319436
Sniper shitters detected. Switch the fuck off we don't need 4 snipers.

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http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/250295

>>180316987
I want to cockblock every soldier

>>180319802
>adpost
no thanks

>>180319763
>like medic and heavy changes
>hate spy, scout, and scout changes
t. bufffag who wants mostly buffs and only a few nerfs

>>180317074
>increases flame range
OP as fuck....unless you reduce his speed while using it.

>>180319772
>spy main calling snipers shitters
>spy main saying a team doesn't need 4 of a pick class
>spy main thinks it's a people
i'm laughing

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>no changes for pic related
RIP long charge man of epic trimps

>>180319134
I like how a lot of these nerfs were made with the justification of "It fweelz bwad". I can't believe Valve is listening to the odd 9-12 year olds that play this game.

I thought mr.paladin was a nice guy. this side of you is scaring me

>>180319889
>spy, scout and scout
Since when were there two playable scouts

Anything that you liked in the planned changes?

Anything that you hate?

>>180320030
tryhard crit-a-cola+atomizer scout and gimmickfag sandman+cleaver scout

>>180320030
meant to say engie

>>180320050
I plan to use the pbpp, but I'm pretty happy with everything though

>>180319134
I noticed that a lot of the weapons they changed were the banned weapons in competitive(lol) tf2. I like how Valve is trying to pretend they give a shit about competitive again. Now 98% of the game's actual playerbase has to suffer for the sake of catering to competitivefags.

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what did he mean by this?

>>180320050
like: PBPP, heavy, medic, panic attack
dislike: engie, scout, soldier, base jumper

>>180315001
>scout main
yeah
it was a pleasure , i am gonna uninstall this shit. Thi is just stupid

>>180320167
>Now 98% of the game's actual playerbase has to suffer for the sake of catering to competitivefags.

FUCKING
T
H
I
S

>>180320050
like scout, engineer, and spy changes
dislike nothing

>>180320167
suffer how?

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>>180320258
See you on the other side brother
;_;7

>>180320167
Try 99.5%

>>180320321
they wont tell you, sandman is fun for both parties and an invisible scout hitbox should have a sniper because thats fun for everyone

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>ambassador nerf
Who is this for? I'm legitimately going to miss shitting on bad snipers from across the map.

>>180320258
pyro-tier

>>180320430
spies that forgot they aren't playing sniper

So are snipers now the new anti pyros?

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WISH I COULD TURN BACK TIME
TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS

>>180320286
being anti balanced is retarded
just be mad at valve for doing crap balancing

>>180320430
this is the only nerf I actually don't understand. they buff razor back. Spy isn't even a very strong class to begin with

>>180320549
lmao get fucked nerd

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS
AAHAHAHHAAHAAAA

CRUTCHBASSADOR NO MORE

N O M O R E
O

M
O
R
E

>>180320536
i guess, but you'll be gimped against everything else

>>180320571
>they buff razor back
can you niggers read, it got a big nerf

>>180320571
it's all the aimbot's fault

>>180320571
>>180320430
They changed it because spy is not the sniper class, he the close-range pick class. They don't want to encourage the "spam shots from halfway across the map" amby playstyle. How hard is this to understand?

>>180320561
Holy shit, someone who plays competitive! We gotta make a reserve for these guys. They're incredibly endangered!

>>180320050
i like the dead ringer nerfs. i want smug spy mains to burn in hell.

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>>180320549
WHEN GABEN SANG US TO SLEEP
BUT NOW WE'RE NERFED OUT

>>180320651
>implying Diamondback isn't a crutch
Hope you like spies pulling a shit ton of crits out of nowhere, three shotting heavies and two-shotting snipers across the map

So now that my bro Spy, which I only played because he was fun, is getting nerfed beyond repair. Should I just pick up scout?

>>180320791
I dont actually m8
There isn't such a thing as balancing for competitive. There's just balancing weapons against each other

>>180320181
he means that he's gonna do well as spy in a pub, a feat never achieved before.

gosh, what an ugly mug.

>>180320936
spy is still fine, only dead ringer is bad
You seriously weren't planning on using the dead ringer right?

>>180320571
Because it didn't only affect sniper you dense fuck

There is literally no excuse why ''high risk - high reward; the class'' should be able to tap damn well near all classes out half or more of their health bar from across the map

This shit was loooooooooooooong overdue

>>180320936
The Scout changes were also retarded, pick someone else.

In some way, the dead ringer nerf makes spies need a little bit more skill, and less cheese

>>180320549
fucking why
is not like scout now have more HP
is just a fucking useless class now then

>Thinking these balance changes revolve around competitive
>Not realizing most of the things nerfed/changed were either extremely useless or straight up crutchville
How to spot a bad 101

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>Atomizer: Can only triple jump while deployed
>Added 50% extra deploy time

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>people concerned about sidegrades that are better than the original

umm hello? are we going to just ignore how the cloak and dagger is objectively a straight 110% upgrade over the standard spy watch

>>180320840
I hate how so many weapons have an effect tied to something like damage you do or kills you get. Weapon is crap until you do X

Why cant it just be
>+20% moment speed
>-34% clip size

>>180321105
having it only being able to be used while deployed is good though. Having anything that could massively change a fight, such as a triple jump, be invisible is bad game design.

>>180321105
I agree that's stupid
Very few situations you can use it in now

>>180321106
no its not the cloak drains faster, you can only go half as far before cloack

>>180321034
the DR is the only viable weapon in payload unless you've got 3 red engis + pyro on the last point.

https://youtu.be/zFlFIQupY6U?t=23m09s

>>180321047
Why were they retarded?

Has /our guy/ Stabby commented yet?

>>180321304
>spymain
>listening to twowho like the subhuman he and all spy mains are

Pottery

>>180321304
>toho music
based

>>180321047
>pocket pistol got redeemed
>bonk is now funny af and actually encourages teamwork
>atomizer changes are completely fair and might actually make it even more fun to use

sandman and cleaver got raped, sure. Though the provided reasons aren't completely unreasonable

I'd just wish they took a look at the speedy gun too

>>180321417
He'll probably "quit" TF2 again and become even more irrelevant.

>>180321237

I do agree that using it only while deployed is fair, but the idea of having a triple jump is usually to escape when in a tight situation, the deploy time will make things a whole lot more difficult.

The triple jump while deployed would be fine of there were interesting places to triple jump to.

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>base jumper nerf
>when it's already hard countered by the reserve shooter, direct hit, and any sniper that can aim.

Goodbye, High Tower shenanigans.

>>180322034
The problem with that is, to quote, "to prevent quick-switch by-pass," while it fucking sucks it's necessary

nu- vita saw looks pretty fun desu

>>180322167
Doublecross to get to the intel

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>panic attack
>all the plus and minuses add up to 94 damage per meatshot
>has wider spread

whats the point
i seriously dont see the reasoning behind this change

>gun
>+1 damage
>-1 spread
???

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>yfw "Packin' up!"

Base Jumper is a crutch for people who can't airstrafe anyway.

>>180321852
>pocket pistol got redeemed
Yea, redeemed to become an autoinclude

>bonk is now funny af and actually encourages teamwork
>teamwork, in pubs, hah

>atomizer changes are completely fair and might actually make it even more fun to use
So making a weapon clunky to utilize is fun? You sure got a weird definition of fun.

>>180322274
>put yourself in harms way for a chance at dieing with a little more uber

I just don't get it, 15% uber safety vs 25% uber now.

I hope the update fixes the issue where there are only 6 people to every 24 person Valve server

>>180322274
Once the gimmick wears off the weapon is going to rot in your inventory till the end of time.

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>tfw you always used the Pocket Pistol anyway
>now everyone will think you're an even bigger faggot for using it

>>180322317
because it also has +1 switch speed. is someone up in your face? need to attack them in a panic? use the panic attack.

>>180322414
It doesn't grant uber like the ubersaw does, it determines the amount you get to store when you die (up until 60%!)

t's the same effect as before, it's just not passive anymore

>>180322758
thats what I'm saying though.
You're asking medic to basically put himself in danger just so he can be safe if hes ever in danger.

>>180322758
>it's the same effect as before, it's just really shitty now

ftfy

>>180321105
>>180321237
>>180322034
>>180322205
Do you even know how the fucking game works? The switch delay only affects actually shooting/swinging a weapon, the passives are active the frame after your slotX input goes through
Both you and the devs are retarded

>>180322827
its more fun to use though

>>180322827
No, you're asking medic to evaluate a situation and decide that he's better off with 60% uber in spawn than he is with 100% uber on the wrong side of the map without any teammates

>>180322870
>used to be 20%
>people cried that is was OP and banned it from competitive play
>now it's 60%
>some retard tells me it's worse

>>180322989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz5BU44_h74

>>180322719
i guess its fine then, i might actually like it

i like a lot of these changes honestly, especially the gunboats and pbpp

>>180322989
you take the 100% uber, pop it, and then hop across the map back to your team without having to wait to respawn.

>>180322989
>No, you're asking medic to evaluate a situation and decide that he's better off with 60%

no anon

if a medic has 60% uber he would need two hits from the ubersaw to have 100% uber

vitasaw 2 hits would give you 30% safety net.
you're basically 30% in the bank or 100% uber.

>>180323120
>>180323134
>pop uber
>get blasted into a corner by enemy pyro / soldier
>just wasted a potential 60% uber and increased my respawn time by 8 seconds

>>180323310
>pyro

>kill someone with ubersaw
>I'll be able to return to my team with a full uber


>kill someone with vitasaw
>well now I can die safely

the whole point of collection weapons are that you don't want to die.
Like the heads system? you want to collect them and get a rush of adrenaline because you might lose your heads.

>>180323310
you wasted 30% uber anon.

>>180323103
Not going to even refute you. Just going to reply so people have a better chance at seeing your post, and how retarded you are.

>>180323367
>now i can die and have an uber advantage over the other team
if youve never /killed yourself in a 6s game you shouldn't have a word to say anything. uber advantage is everything, having uber and wasting it is not preferable to having a safe 60 percent uber if you just so happened to die, even if you pop uber that life as im sure they can stack
>uber
>soldier bombs and kills you after uber
>have a 60 percent uber on next spawn therefore having 60 percent advantage over the enemy medic

>>180323452
>not even a dragon
shit taste tbqhwyf

>>180323615
anon

if you hit someone twice you have a 50% uber advantage vs having a 30% uber safety net.

think about it.

>>180323615
Pretty sure it means that it only preserves up to 60% of the ubercharge you had when you died.

You won't just spawn with 60% when you die.

>>180323367
Except the eyelander is a retarded concept that punishes you for playing the objective and being a good teammate.

>>180316191
You stack the bleeds, not use the guillotine alone.

Giving up the pistol and 15 hp for something that requires the sun, moon and the stars to align is not cool.

Guillotine + Wrap Assassin to stack those bleeds kills a light target unless they get healed, and if you duck out of sight while someone is bleeding x2 they think you ran away as you rush back in for the kill.

Short Stop + Axe + Wrap has been my favorite as fuck combo for months now

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>DR nerfed
>amby nerfed
>scout made more supportive and his arsenal is less retarded/random
>RR nerfed
>DDS nerfed

Only rebalancing I don't agree with is YER, I don't see it getting used ever with that cloak drain (which is pretty damn significant.) I would've like a decreased cloak sound that wouldn't allow for complete bullshit like uncloaking right behind a player, but maybe unable to be heard behind a prop/other room nearby and kept it the same otherwise.

Just waiting on pyro balance and nocrits on valve servers. Tf2 might just be great again.

>>180323764
nearly every time a medic uses an ubersaw on an enemy they die. it is a risk to reward scenario and is a gamble. if a medic gets a vitasaw with this organ shit even if they die they guarantee 30 percent or more uber which is way fucking less situational

The Flying Guillotine's base damage is 50 guys...

>>180324049
>no falloff
>tied for fastest projectile in the game
>hard as fuck to see, is just a line to the person being targeted
i know right? about fucking time it got nerfed

>>180323764
>hit enemy twice with US
>have 50% uber
>die
>have 0% uber

people meme about the ubersaw being too good all the time, but it's crazy rare for a medic to get a fucking melee hit and tell the story, let alone two (against non-retarded opponents)

If you don't see the value in respawning with 30% uber you really need to git gud

>>180323903
You can still pick up ammo boxes with YER, as long as it is not with Dead Ringer. But from patch notes alone, not sure how they will react with both on.

But I am going to remain optimistic about YER changes for now, that first kill is a bitch to get but when you do its pretty fucking sweet.. till ya miss. Plus sounds like you can clock from spawn, hit up the refill station and go about your day.

But that Amby nerf tho jesus christ. Might as well use Stock because getting headshots on moving targets at melee/mid range was a bitch enough on alert enemies, now lets put a spread on the first shot now

>>180320181
He's mad because his crutch got nerfed. Maybe he'll learn how to conserve ammo and use an invis watch to play the class the way it was intended. Ringer holds you back from becoming a god.

>we wanted to remove the random bonus to long range shots
>sandman now does 7.5 more damage on long range shots

this is a joke update
I'm calling it.

>>180321586
what music do yo ulisten to cakeboi?

>>180324263
>>hit enemy twice with US
>>have 50% uber
>>die
>>have 0% uber

okay and vs

>hit enemy twice with vita saw
>oh cool 30% uber is saved
>so how much uber do I have now?
>oh 0?

>>180324459
oh no seven and a half points of damage

how ever will we recover

>>180324640
anon I don't think you understand, I'm asking why they added a random nothing.

this is the same as the wrap assassin 3 splash damage.

so reasons to use sandman now?

>can't use it to make an opening because they'll blow you up if you get close
>slowing down medics?
>realistically unlikely to be used for slowing down scouts
>you could just chase down anything thats fleeing from you


I honestly don't see the point.

>>180322175
>playing on hightower
That was your first mistake

>>180324162
Can I touch this gun?

>>180323903
AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA CRUTCH FAGS BTFO

>>180324606
>maybe noone will notice if i compare being dead to being alive
and how often do medics die at literally 0 uber
they usually have at least a little

>>180325076
well you're saying the ubersaw medic had 0 uber.

it seems like vitasaw is only useful over ubersaw if you have exactly 30% uber.

>>180324806
It's a essentially a third gun, like the wrap bat. Also slows are useful against demo(knight)s and pyros.

>>180325197
but the pyro and the demoknight are both equipped to defend themselves if you try to attack when they're slowed.

maybe a shortstop/pistol setup would be useful.

>>180325035
THE AMBASSADOR WAS NOT A CRUTCH IT WAS THE FUCKING PINNACLE OF REWARD FOR SKILL

ACROSS THE MAP HEADSHOTS ARE RARE AS FUCK, IT WILL NOT KILL THEM, AND THE TARGETS BECOME ALERT SOMEONE IS THERE AND MOVE AROUND MORE

HEADSHOT KILLS FROM ACROSS THE MAP WERE EVEN MORE RARE BECAUSE OF THAT

FUCK

>>180323903
I don't understand the ER cloak nerf either honestly

I mean you're already trading your ENTIRE cloak meter just to get the initial disguise, what made them think that wasn't enough?

>>180325312
Nice time digits.

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>>180318870
I'm on so many layers of irony I don't even know what's genuine anymore

>>180325312
lol just play sniper

>>180325312
>ACROSS THE MAP HEADSHOTS ARE RARE AS FUCK

not really
theres actually a really simple trick to it. mouse over them headheight and wait for their name to pop up on the crosshairs. You guarantee headshots at long range.

>>180325312
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA

>>180325145
ubersaw is a gamble
vitasaw is a guarantee
if you know you are going to die guaranteed advantage over enemy uber is a great thing. if you absolutely need to let your enemy team down and be a retarded battlemedic with an ubersaw you still have that option but at least vitasaw is guaranteed to be beneficial in some sense to the rest of the team. note that it is usually better for a medic to die with the team than to get 100 percent uber, stay alive, and then have to run all the way back to spawn to build anything again while the enemy team would have had 20 percent uber by then

>>180325312
Have you ever wondered why sniper needs to scope to be able to get headshots?
Or why counter strike makes you really fucking inaccurate when you're moving even just a little?

Because getting headshots with a mouse is really fucking easy

fuck outta here w/ that shit

>>180325312
:lol:

>>180325451
But still they wont be one shot unless damaged by another source.

>>180325574
Shoot them twice. Whoa, mind blowing.

>>180325574
pap them again

>>180325592
Cooldown on headshots via game mechanic, oh and the chances of someone standing around after losing 90% of their health is low.

>>180325625
Talking about long range kills.

>>180325574
>spy needs to not only be a short range threat, but also a long range threat

>>180325574
well thats unlikely. face it, spy should not be effective at any range whatsoever. he is supposed to be close range. be thankful they left in headshots at all because nobody wanted them to

>get into match on thundermountain
>1v4
>You don't understand, I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with ME!
>guy from enemy team switches over
>me and him bully the enemy team
>guy uses direct hit and pushes my shit in for a good while until I whip out the sticky spam
>cap last no problem
>2nd map was a breeze, got one too many melee crits on the one shitter
>2v3 ends up being 2v1
>my demo bullying knew no bounds
>win last offensive match handily
>now it's defense
>scottish resistance both exits
>it just keeps happening dawg
>this goes on until the 4 minute mark
>after that just go sniper and bully him from a distance
>pretty sure I got reported after playing sniper even though I missed a couple shots

>>180325658
>standing around
>can't hit a second headshot on a moving target
Oh, you're shit. Guess I should have realized that sooner.

At least tell the damn artist name.

>>180325312
>THE TARGETS BECOME ALERT SOMEONE IS THERE
wow almost like it defeats the entire purpose of spy being a class based around sneakiness and subterfuge and defeats the purpose of the revolver being a spy's last resort in terms of damage when he's caught out

>>180325658
amby has no spread

headshots from faraway are easy as fuck.

102 damage, pap them two more times and its 132. be patient and its 204

>>180325485
God I love this artist

What happened to them? These were like the only pictures I could ever find on paheal from them

>>180325716
Long range bud, long range.

>>180325756
Amby has no spread for the first shot (for now), but then cooldown for the no spread is in play. Amby now has spread if the second and so on are fired right after

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So the GRU are back to their old selves, plus a regeneration bonus, it really was a stupid thing swapping the health drain for a marked for death.

>>180325497
>why sniper needs to scope to be able to get headshots?
Because he can one shot light classes
>why counter strike makes you really fucking inaccurate when you're moving even just a little?
Because you can one shot people depending on the gun.

Why do you think comp players don't run amby spy fulltime? Why do you think hl spies don't determine the flow of the match?
Get out of here theorycrafter.

>>180325863
Yes, and that's not a valid excuse. Your aim is shit and needing a non-moving target is laughable.

>>180325863
>Amby now has spread if the second and so on are fired right after
no actually

>>180325921
t. scrub who never played against a high level sniper and never will

>>180326085
t. handlet, aimlet and brainlet

>>180325909
>Why do you think comp players don't run amby spy fulltime? Why do you think hl spies don't determine the flow of the match?
Because he's not incredibly effective, just extremely annoying

Like you've explained yourself several times now- amby spy doesn't kill, he kicks someone's teeth in and watches them crawl away

It's a massive nuisance and hurts the game's flow, you'll notice tackling this is a central theme in a lot of the proposed changes.

>>180326085
Not a valid argument. Get good and you won't need to bitch and moan about how you can't hit a second headshot unless someone is 30 hammer units away.

>>180325921
>needing a non-moving target is laughable.
from a long range? post your amby with long range and headshot kills. this is getting old, put everything to rest now

>>180325928
Log in and test it yourself. there is a spread

>>180321304
>i had to practice to aim long range w/ a class that is designed to be CLOSE range
in the words of soldier
DOMINATED SON

>>180326414
I don't record myself and a screenshot wouldn't prove anything. Get good and get over your deficiency.

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>>180326273
>you will never be so unskilled that the very concept of a sniper who can quickscope an amby spy before they can make a second headshot can't exist in your brain

>there are people THIS upset about the amby nerf
>these same people don't just use the l'onhonhon for the utility in the first place

>>180326627
its not a record, its just you logging in to take a ss of your amby. you put more effort into not doing it then doing it

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i honestly think you babies will cry over everything
even if the ambassador had -1 damage penalty with this upside there would still be a huge outrage

im shocked theres no iron bomber nerfs though, that thing is a literal upside

>>180326685
I don't have a strange ambassador with parts. I'm not a shitter trader main like you apparently.

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Just got off 3 hours of hightower

this was fun

>>180326698
-20% exp radius is a pretty hefty downside anon

can somebody redpill me on why people like high tower so much

i can understand the love for 2fort but high tower?

>>180326668
This entire balance update is delicious. It separates the crutch users from the true FRAGGERS.

>>180327136
There's health packs everywhere, cliffs along a large portion of the map, and a large skybox for complex jumps

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>increased air control on shoes
>decreased air control on a parachute

i mean i know its for the sake of balance but REALLY

>>180326736
its like 50 cents, few dollars for the important parts.

but I guess you had to dodge out of the argument somehow

Who's your tf2gfu, anon?

>>180326998
not when you have incredible control over them

>>180327214
>moving the goal post
>y-you dodged out
Funny. Your stranges mean nothing by the way, pable.hernandez2006 just farmed twice as much as your highest strange/part in about 20 minutes on a strange farming server.

>Having a tf2gfu

>>180327147
i honestly don't think ambassador was even a crutch since pretty much every high level spy used it and you could perform much better with it than you could with the stock revolver assuming you were good enough, but i don't see what the big fucking deal is. oh no, a close range class isn't as good at long range now, a sneaky class isn't as good at being a one man army anymore, who the fuck cares? just leave the l'etranger alone for the few times i actually play spy, it's the only good revolver considering it's actually based around being sneaky.

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>>180327220
Stock.. apparently.

>>180327321
What goalposts were moved? I asked you to post proof of your super skill.

Also here is my proof of the amby spread. These two shots were from a medium range, across the other side of spawn in Gold Rush. Now imagine what its going to be like after the patch

You on the otherhand have no proof of your skill from all the time you were boasting on how easy it is to get long range headshots from a cheap weapon, and fuck you on the "zero spread all the time every time"

>>180327212
mantreads masterrace

>strange mantreads went from 4 dollars to 50 dollars
whew

>>180327349
Except amby never let spy be a one man army in reality. And spy fucking sucks at close range, that's why he's a weak class.

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>>180327731

>>180327538
I made no comments on the spread.
Goalposts were
>hitting a second long range headshot isn't viable
>show me your strange
>show me your skill
I have no proof to show, and the proof you asked for can easily be faked. Keep responding though, I sure love these (You)'s.

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i'm a retard who doesn't understand math on the blogpost, what gotten good and what became shitty?

>>180327838
>viable
I said harder, sounds like you moved the goalposts. And then you went full blown autistic saying you do it all the time no problems easy peasy.. but had no proof to back it up.

so yeah. no goalposts were moved on my end.

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>>180327726
Good thing I snagged two stranges and a strange professional killstreak when it was all still super cheap! Two bucks for each strange, five for the professional. It's already easy profit. Should I wait for the update to actually hit?

>>180327891
>math
most of the changes are preceded by a saying whether the weapon needed a nerf or a buff

>>180327976
patch notes not set in stone, man.

>>180327976
No, sell them now at like 30 dollars

>>180327891
they're planning on making my faves better and your faves worse

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Does the Evic still keep the speed boost on hit?
That thing is gonna be :Ok_Hand: now

Also the GRU is relevant again and you the minigun damage nerf got halfass reverted

good day

>>180327809
Not an argument. Cut the theorycrafting and actually play the game and you'll see that spy doesn't cut it at a high level even with good ambassador aim.

>>180328035
i know, but why on earth would they not go through with that mantrads change? it's the second most unequipped item, they said.

>>180328050
they arent even that much. only $5.

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>>180327891
>Recuse Ranger's nerf
>Razorback's nerf
>Ringer's nerf
>B.A.S.E Jumper's nerf

>>180327942
>saying you do it all the time no problems easy peasy
Nice job putting words into my posts. And you didn't say they were harder anywhere, you didn't acknowledge getting the second shot outside of a non-moving target and you have pretty severe autism.
>no goalposts were moved on my end
Afraid not.

>>180328207
Out side of fun time to screw around on a valve server, manstreads on on tier with the market gardener

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>>180328124
>passive speed boost
>bonus boost on hit
>faster firing speed
>full dmg
please roll this patch out with no changes to it

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>Post yfw you read these new item changes

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>>180327891
>Cleaver, DDS,Razorback, Cola
All overnerfed
>DR, Sandman, Atomizer, FoSteel, Crossbow
nerfed
>B.A.S.E Jumper, Bonk, Rescue Ranger, Eviction Notice
Slightly nerfed
>YER
Slightly buffed
>GRU, Mantreads, Vita-saw, PBPP, Panic Attack
had a buff

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>>180328329
>Eat buffalo steak
>Run people over with brass knuckles

Oh my god yes

Imo, the rescue ranger is still really really good.

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>>180328441
I'm just mad for the RR nerf. I feel numb.

>>180328238
In your little head canon im sure I am the bad guy and you can say no wrong and you forget about your own posts soon as you post them and then hide under anonymity.

You fucked up, no goalposts were moved because you lost an argument. You claimed being the badass of baddasery of long range chain headshots, but no proof. then you claimed amby has no spread all the time, which it does. You either dont play the game and seen the thread in /v/ and wanted an afterparty, or you dont play spy and talking out of your ass.

Either way, this is getting old and these repost timers are being wasted on you.

>>180328476
not much will change with a dispenser handy but i see situational disadvantages which it really needed

>>180328585
>Changes:
>Added: Max-health is drained while item is active (-10/sec), and regenerated while holstered
>Health will regenerate only the amount drained while active - minus any damage taken during that time
>Each time the gloves are deployed, the drain rate is accelerated for a brief period of time
>>>Removed: Marked-For-Death effect while active
>Removed: 25% damage penalty
????

>>180328565
>>180328238 (You)
In your little head canon im sure I am the bad guy and you can say no wrong and you forget about your own posts soon as you post them and then hide under anonymity.

You fucked up, no goalposts were moved because you lost an argument. You claimed being the badass of baddasery of long range chain headshots, but no proof. then you claimed amby has no spread all the time, which it does. You either dont play the game and seen the thread in /v/ and wanted an afterparty, or you dont play spy and talking out of your ass.

Either way, this is getting old and these repost timers are being wasted on you.

>>180328585
>reminder eviction notice keeps its damage penalty, only ditches the damage-taken penalty
uuuh yeah? the damage taken penalty was the important one. no one was saying it did more damage now.

>>180328460
>vita saw
>buff

>>180328718
>while active
>after switching
reading compregination, figgit.

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>still no change for caber, bison, sun on a stick, claidheamh mòr or vaccinator

I'm completely aware of
>This is not the complete list of changes. Some items (and classes) are still being worked on, and are not ready for review.

I'm hoping they know what to do/how to fix with the weapons I mention.

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>dominate a pubstomper DR Spy
>he says my iron bomber is a crutch and is the reason I got so many kills on him
>i was hitting pills the majority of the time, which I couldve done all the same with stock
who was in the right here?

>>180328917
>bullying retards
not
cool
anon

>>180328848
Caber was a facestab knife, I'm glad it's dead.

>>180329074
t. salty kangaroo husband

it can still 1 shot

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i hope just some really small stuff for demoman returns like bottles breaking and detonating while taunting

i wish i had a kangaroo wife

>spy still can't equip the pain train

I hope they removed random crits

>>180329304
detonating while taunting is sort of bullshit. you could just use it to peek around corners waiting for someone to walk into your trap.

>>180329364
>spy and engie still cant equip the battle sign
>spy and engie still cant equip the pan but can the gold pan