/egg/ - Engineering Games General - Formerly /svgg/

DUDE CLANG LMAO

First for ded general
Second for can't keep it alive even with all the mergers
Third for we need the cat-fuckers

can I power a rocket with my own poop and if so how much would I need to extract out of my chocolate starfish to reach another solar system

>>176222192
>can I?
Yes
>how much?
Depends on how long you want to take to get there

>>176222192
Technically yes, but not with enough force to leave Earth's gravity well (let alone the atmosphere with all that friction).

Xrd for report and hide

And xnd for the sound of the end, and of the beginning.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1494214795664.webm

>come home from work to read /egg/
>only 6 /egg/ posts

Someone please post some combinator magic in Factorio or something, don't make me go to the Factorio subreddit

>>176222754
>fire reaching to the sky
>horrid metallic screeching
>blyaaaat
Literally all its missing is blinding smoke and the banging of infernal machines.

>>176221385
but there's only one catfucker tho

>>176225536
Reddit isn't that bad anon

>>176226205
>i want to insert only one nuclear fuel but I don't want to use the circuit network at all
Yes, yes Reddit is that bad.

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>>176220914
turbines are noise and sexy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa-TSNeTK-A

>>176225760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpKitwOBL6o

>>176226205

Why don't you go back there, seeing as you love it so much

gosh

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>>176226205

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>>176226205
>>>/out/
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/anywherebuthere/

>>176231860
>>176228968
Make me faggots, they produce better blueprints than you do as well.

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>>176231979
>sandbox game with the goal being to design your own factory and improve it through iterative testing
>download's others' factories and has robots place them instead of thinking
>bragging about how you don't even play the game but let others play it for you

Yep, definitely a redditor

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>>176225536
>>176226401
Well, I did just make this. It should only output a fuel cell whenever a dead one comes in and it should only make more when it's almost out.

>>176232254
>sandbox game with the goal being to design your own factory and improve it through iterative testing

>Implying this wasn't thrown out the window the second they introduced the ability to share blueprints

Don't kid yourself anon, it's just a more complicated Big Pharma at this point.
Technically they did it when they introduced blueprints after mods like Foreman came along.

>>176232254
Stop taking the bait, you're being rused.

>>176232978
Just because you can share a blueprint doesn't mean you have to. Personally I don't use that aspect of the game because if I just wanted others to do the work I'd skip the middleman and watch a let's play.

I don't even use bots except in extreme circumstances because it feels too easy/cheaty

>>176232562
how do you output the first cell?
what happens when the empty cell crosses the belt faster than the inserter can place a new cell?

>>176233573
how about balancers?
most people took them from the wiki before even being able to share blueprints, and I'm pretty sure they were made through a script anyway

>>176232562
>It should only output a fuel cell whenever a dead one comes in
Congratulations, you've set up a pointless circuit network to accomplish what the factory does naturally.
How is this any improvement?

>>176233770
You manually got to put the first one in, then it goes auto
>what happens when the empty cell crosses the belt faster than the inserter can place a new cell?
I'm not sure how that would happen. I watched it and the inserter reacted fast enough

>>176234458
It's an improvement when I only have a total of 8 U-235 and want to try to save up until I can start the enrichment process.

>>176234002
Balancers are really only useful in vanilla playthroughs using bus style gameplay. If you needed one and they didn't exist on the wiki what would you do? You'd make your own and it'd sort of work. The ones on the wiki are only special for their compactness, not their functionality. If you legitimately need a complex balancer, you should probably just be dividing things into subfactories and using trains for your throughput.

Everything goes out the window when you play modded. I tried doing an angels + bobs bus playthrough and it was either have a 32 wide bus or just give up and spaghetti + trens + subfactories. There's just so much going on in those games that needs a dedicated belt but only for one or two production lines.

>>176220914
Would Terratech be classified as an engineering game?

>>176235391
No, but feel free to post your shit

>>176235391
>haphazardly smash shit the game arbitrarily spawns into barely functional go-karts

It'll fit right in.

>>176234735
Exactly how does your mechanism conserve fuel cells?

>>176236181
Cuz if I didn't have it, the factory would naturally try to fill the belt going to reactors with fuel cells and it would take me a lot longer to save up enough to start enrichment.

>>176235310
Honestly, I usually find myself using balancers at train stations to make sure each wagon gets the same ammount of items, and when I need to compress things down, like a row of miners resulting in 7 belt lines that I need to turn into 4 lines

>>176236406
A far simpler and vastly more effective solution, would be to not use nuclear power before you have enough uranium for the enrichment cycle.
Considering that each piece of U-235 requires on average 1428 uranium ore to be refined, every fuel cell sets you back by quite a bit (requiring you to stockpile even more U-238).

>>176221385
invite /cbg/!

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>>176239493
/cbg/ doesn't fit here.
This has been discussed countless times.
To be /ded/ is to be /egg/, there is no need to cater to the needs of people who want threads to be more active and thus shit.

>>176239224
>not use nuclear power before you have enough uranium for the enrichment cycle.
But that's no fun. And circuit networks are fun. Sorry you're such a brainlet that you can't figure out the fun that is circuit networks.

>>176236406
II think the point is that your setup doesn't seem to have any controls based on power demand.

tfw you will never engineer random shit irl https://youtu.be/d45oGNv8H98#t=79

>>176239919
Sorry you're such a brainlet you can't understand how long it'll take you and how useless that network is. not that anon btw

>>176239837
Sorry you're such a brainlet that you can't comprehend the ins and outs of traffic engineering. not that anon btw

>>176240210
None of the /cbg/ games are actually civil engineering, they're just urban planning.
But even if they were it's not "is it engineering" that makes it fit here, only the kerbniggers were trying to push this meme so they could try and weasel their way in here.
It "does it fit with /egg/ and /egg/'s autism" and the matter was settled already.

>>176221385
The general who must not be named had a snek-fucker and got ruined because of him.
You don't want to become like THAT general, right?

>>176240514
>and the matter was settled already.
By the general minority or majority?

>>176240667
Majority at the time, also as of now /cbg/ is absorbed by /civ4xg/, meaning they have a thread.
In order for them to even consider joining here they'd have to be removed from that.

>>176240667
By my dick.
But we did have this discussion before, and no compelling arguments were made to include city builders here since they rarely include any engineering in them.

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>>176220914
Nth for the only functional difference between a turboprop and a """jet engine""" is the lack of a duct

>>176240667
majority, if you can believe it, it has been discussed THAT many times, now stop it and post fugtorio

>>176240805
believe or not /civ4x/ is fearful spider-fucker will get unbanned. seems like every thread has a threat of its own

>>176240956
How do you fuck a spider? Their holes aren't even visible to the untrained eye.

>>176240956
>spider-fucker will get unbanned
>spider-fucker
wut

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>>176240956
>spider-fucker

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>>176240956
>spider-fucker

>>176240956
>spider-fucker
More autism ubiquity, that one shitposter that fucks animals.

>>176241651
Back when idle games general was a thing, there was one guy that would talk about sucking cat dick all the time. Was that the same guy or was there just a plethora of people like that?

>>176242009
There will always be that one uber-autistic furfaggot in every autistical thread.
/mcg/ seems to be the only one that doesn't have one.

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>>176241651
>>176242009
>>176242414
There will be one in every thread on every board in every chan. We have known this since 2004.

>>176241271
4x games, especially spess ones: race of spiders

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>electric poles limited to 5 connecting copper cables

whyyyy

>>176243373
they are not limited, you just have to equip the copper cable and wire it manually

>>176240514
>>176240667
Generally if the game isn't complex enough to build either a mechanical or electronic logic gate then it's not /egg/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hs6eqSdbGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X_Ft4YR_wU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be1EM3gQkAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKnSRw_X2w4

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>>176243373
)))))))))))
(((((((((((

>>176243438
They are, the game won't let me connect any more even manually, try it yourself

>>176243558
shit, they've changed it? noooooo

>>176243462
C:SL has a shit-based equivalent to Factorio's steam storage that has to constitute some form of AND gate. I can think of a setup with a hydro-powered water pump that would constitute a NOT gate, then you'd have NAND.

http://imgur.com/a/vR86Z

>>176244428
Storage tanks aren't logic gates though.

>>176245416
That drain pipe only works if it receives power AND sewage.

>>176244428
C:SL is beyond retarded, as discussed ded or 2 ago (depending on how you count)

>>176245783
My point is less that C:SL is the bottom of the expanding brain meme and more that the logic gate criteria is a road to madness. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a way to build a half-adder out of CS:GO drops or something.

>>176246272
I concur.
now post fugtorio or spess

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>>176246368
>fug or spess
Fuck sake's anon, we have more games here.

SKUBMADE CREW UPDATE FUCKING WHEN REEEE

>>176246669
>>>/hsg/

Do I still have to build pumping stations to transport fluids at high rates over long distances? Or was that also changed with 0.15?
What's the best way to fully load/unload a fluid wagon in that case?

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Any fellow Starmade fags here? Finally just hit 500 hours.

>>176246873
>SKUBMADE CREW UPDATE FUCKING WHEN REEEE

>the crew just bump around walls, occasionally clipping through them
>game runs at a crawl
>2fps
>200 frametime
>wakemeup
>crash
>bluescreen
>forum is nothing but sucking schema dick

why

>>176246945
>Do I still have to build pumping stations to transport fluids at high rates over long distances?
Changing this would require a fundamental change to how liquids are transferred between two pipe segments.
So no.

>>176247537
Sounds more like a problem with your computer than the game, mate. I go to my lowest of 50fps when I warp into a huge station, and I hang around 150 in dead space. Never had crew clip through walls either.

>>176246945

I'm not sure why but unloading fluid wagons is SUPER fast compared to filling them up.

>>176247890
Just speaking from experiance. Is combat, AI and the multiplayer community still as bad as it was two years ago?

>>176247945
Fluids flow downhill from filled things to unfilled things. Try hooking the train pump directly to a storage tank.

>>176246945
Probably, just get flow control and use the extreme pumps.

>>176247417
I'm playing Avorion.
The X mechanics ontop of Starmade's are enjoyable.

>>176247961
Combat now is infinitely improved from two years ago, except for the fact that you need a lot of meta knowledge about ship building. Specific configurations of things and specific weapon combos. Turrets are a big deal now because the tracking-missile glitch was fixed. The multiplayer community is small but made up of reasonable adults and it's really the perfect thing to play after a long day at work. I honestly haven't noticed anything really bad, per se, about the AI besides that they sometimes will run into things. Pathfinding has been improved too, though. Game performance has also improved a lot. If you haven't played it in two years I'd say to give it a shot again.

>>176248123

It's consistent regardless of the amount of fluid in the fluid wagon and storage tanks. There's no uphill/downhill in Factorio.

>>176244428
If you get a full set of logic gates and make an 8-bit display then there's a chance you could stay.

>>176248320
I used to play

a long long time ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfEj0uZOwBE

>>176248451
That was definitely not true before. The reason that flow slows down over distance is because fluids flow downhill, albeit very quickly.

>>176249246
wut
Fluids flow to the left and then build order in factorio, there is no downhill.
It slows down over distance because of data loss in the pipes or something.

>>176247417
Waiting on that major shipruilding rebalance update they are supposedly going to release at some point.

Dont feel like building ships that are gonna be obsolete soon (soon being in like a year, considering the skubmade's rate of updates).

I really hope once that eventually happens, we'll get a new influx of acive players to dick around with in multiplayer.

>>176249246
>The reason that flow slows down over distance is because fluids flow downhill
What the fuck are you smoking?
The reason for the throughput/distance relationship of pipes, is that liquid flow depends on a fill gradient.
One full pipe next to an empty pipe means a large gradient and a resultingly large flow.

So if you want a constant flow from A to B, you'll need a constant fill gradient between each pipe between A and B.
Obviously, this cannot go on forever, because A cannot have an infinitely large fill level, and B cannot go into negative fill level.
It's a decent approximation of real-life pressure/flow relationship.

>>176249432
>It slows down over distance because of data loss in the pipes or something.
Are people really this puzzled about the basic behaviour of liquids?

>>176249781
>>Are people really this puzzled about the basic behaviour of liquids?
I was being retarded on purpose to get someone who actually knows what the fuck is going on to correct me, gomen

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>tfw the keep is finally enclosed
Time to grab those productivity modules!

>>176249781

Factorio's liquid mechanics don't match up with reality though, if you take a storage tank (pipes or not) at around 70% filled and have a fluid wagon at any % filled it will pump from the wagon into the external pipes very quickly. If you do this the other way around, again regarldess of %'s filled, it takes a lot longer. Seems to be around 4-5x slower to fill the fluid wagon than it is to empty it.

You're right that two storage tanks, one with a lot of liquid and one with very little, will equalize once connected, and they'll do it fast at the beginning and gradually slow til they're balanced. That's separate from this fluid oddity.

>>176249174
The /egg/ holdout faction has been pretty active on the Light Vs Dark server. I think comr4de is still running it

>>176249781
>fill gradient.
> One full pipe next to an empty pipe means a large gradient and a resultingly large flow.
Yes. Thus the fluids flow-- watch this-- DOWN HILL.

>>176250306
If you spilled a glass of water onto the floor, and it formed a puddle around the glass, would you consider everywhere around the glass 'downhill' from it because the water flowed there?

>>176250740
There's a LOT of gravity involved.

>>176250306
Downhill is a highly misleading expression, as it implies that Factorio's terrain has height (which is contrary to the fact that it doesn't).
It's even worse than calling it "pressure", but still similar in that they're both terms that don't apply to Factorio.

>>176243462
So, that rule 110 thing.
How does exactly run a program? If i wanted to make, dunno, a adder (don't know the terminology so let's say "the absolute simplest adder there is") how would that work?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wmtsTuHkt0

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Fixed and cleaned up the oil sheet, tried my best at making it idiot-proof. I'm not sure if I did the productivity module functions right, though
https://dropfile.to/M7tKUOw

Also, any good filesharing sites that don't require registration? dropfile.to only lasts a day, file.io is limited to one upload

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaIfPuziJ-0
Electrical engineering

>>176249912
>the keep is enclosed
dem feels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWLpMCFUBB0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38h4-5FDdV4

>>176254269
that's actually pretty brilliant.

>>176246873
Starmade devs haven't even begun planning of crew update. There was a rare shitstorm on the forums about it and one of the devs came out and said that the previous post that implied it was being worked on was "misleading" and that it hadn't even had basic design done on it, both at the time and since.

Starmade is dedder than ded.

>>176255392
Son of a fucking cunt.

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>>176255392
ree

>>176255985
that explanation triggers me every time

Best /egg/ game?

>>176257719
The gas one

>>176257719
Chode is the most autistic because no other /egg/ games makes you search for a material with very good capacitor properties to mod in.

>>176244016

Always had that limit, anon. You just never noticed.

>>176257719
None, you have to play them all and construct the perfect one in your mind

>>176257950
I really want a game that is basically chode, but 50-100 years in the future. (fusion reactors, diamondoids, nanotubes, etc.) It would be nice if we could a chode game that is optimized enough or designed in such a way that we can see the logical conclusion of drone and missile spam, along with large fleet battles.

>>176259139
But that wouldn't work the same as chode, we can't accurately calculate fusion reactors. There are mods for graphene and nanotubes though. I agree with the optimization though, I want to use tens of thousands of missiles at once.

>>176259445
I'm sure there are theories on how fusion reactors work, but I get what you mean, lacking the rigorous tests and body of data to make a proper simulation. I do think it would be possible to just make estimates, but it would decrease the overall validity of the game as 'realistic' space warfare sim. All of this guy's videos are good quality. This one is on fusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pmgr6FtYcY

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>>176259139
>>176259445
>optimizing is magic

One way or another you're going to run into an absolute bandwidth bottleneck, whether its the engine, programming, OS or hardware.

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>>176249912

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>>176261271
>deathworld a shit
>cheat mods
????

>>176261408
>Bob's
>cheat
(You)

>>176261843
Not him, but I think factorissimo is pretty cheaty m9

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>>176261740

>>176261740
>>176262256
We should make our own patch

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Death world 52 hours in. I'm just starting to build purple science.

Rate my autism.

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ded

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>>176263254
I like your power lines and your swirly train intersections, it soothes my autismo

Here is mine, just playing a comfy trainworld, nothing too difficult

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrLmHv4Fv4M

>>176264363
>posting worst /egg/

Trying to build a quad copter in Besiege
It's been a while and I've forgotten both how to make a chaos engine and whether or not they still work

Also when the fuck are we going to be able to rebind camera controls, have a proper throttle control, and have multi-key binding onto certain objects

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io5d-aAck_8

Just bought Factorio after watching this youtube series about how to play.

How much of a problem are the alien attackers in the game? Should my first game be with them set to peaceful or should I just dive right in?

>>176266437
Removing xeno is easy, they're not too much of a challenge in vanilla.

>>176266437

In normal mode they aren't too bad, you should be able to keep your defenses strong enough to keep them out most of the time.

>>176266437
just research basic turrets kinda early and slap them near your initial miners/furnaces until you can work out what directions they are likely to attack from

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>>176265819

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45X4VP8CGtk

>>176266573
>>176266609
>>176266765
What about evolution and expansion?

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are you fucking kidding me

>>176270002
evolution goes up whenever a spawner absorbs any pollution or you destroy a spawner

it goes up incredibly slowly but its usually always worth it to go out and remove any nearby ayy nests that are just soaking it up

you can check what evolution %'s certain biters start spawning on the wiki

also in game you can type /evolution to check the current factor

Playing factorio, how does nuclear power work? It looks like I just stuff fuel cells in there, but it can't possibly be that simple. Don't I need to cool it or something? But I don't see any pipe inputs...

>>176270525
nah, for some dumbass reason, they made no downsides. You do need to use heat pipes to take heat out of it to put in the heat exchanges and get power out of it, but if it starts running too hot, nothing bad happens.

>>176270525
Fuel cell into reactor, heat via heat pipe into heat exchanger, steam from heat exchanger into turbine, turbine makes electricity. Simple, except for the 1800 to 1 ratio of u-238 to u-235

>>176270525
nope, its literally that easy

insert fuel cells
make sure used cells are being removed

reactor will generate heat
use Heat Pipes to send heat to Heat Exchangers to power turbines and then your sweet

>>176270002
Biters will expand to fill any available spaces, keeping a certain distance between nests. If you clear out a nest, more biters will move in to the clear space after a while. They have to physically travel to the location, though, so you can prevent them from moving back in by dropping some turrets in places they like to live.

Pollution is the primary thing that triggers attacks, so if you keep the area around your base clear you can prevent most major attacks.

>>176266209
>too much space
pffft

>>176270771
>>176270747
>>176270719
>Uranium just generates heat to make steam
Wait, huh? That can't be how real nuclear reactors work. I thought we used plasma to collect radiation for energy.

>>176271802
>plasma
Haha what? No, that's not how they work at all. They're just fancy boilers.

>>176271802
the uranium literally just heats up water into steam which moves turbines

its so simple but not at the same time

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HAHAHAHAH YESSSSSSSSSS
>>176271802
You're thinking of fusion reactors
Fission reactors use the heat generated from exploding meme particles to boil water

>>176271802
It is. The complex engineering is containing the reaction and not killing everyone with invisible death rays.

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>trying to set up boiler and steam engine
>boiler turns off immediately after fueling
>have water going from offshore pump -> boiler -> steam engine
>have steam engine connected by power lines to electric mining drill and inserter
>still wont do anything

>>176273357
Well nevermind i found out steam only comes out the top.

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>>176271802
Just about all power generation technology is based on heat water to steam and push it through a turbine to make electricity. The only difference is how you get the heat. With nuclear you take the naturally give off heat from radioactive decay of uranium. There are several issues with this though
Firstly, the reaction produces radioactive isotopes which are bad for people. Because of this you can't just run the water through the reactor pipes and into the turbines (unless you're the soviet union). You need what's called a closed loop where the water (or other heat conductive fluid) is heated to extreme temperatures, moved through a heat exchanger to give that heat to the actual water you want to turn to steam, and put back into the reactor cold. This is simulated well in game.

Secondly, dealing with radioactive waste and fuel is dangerous. The way they handle this in game is very basic and you don't even get hurt by it so that's one reason people are upset. See the uranium power mod on 0.14 for Angel's level reprocessing of spent fuel


Finally, it's a very powerful reaction that if left alone would react at an exponentially increasing rate until it ran out of fuel. Without getting too complicated, this is what they left out that everybody is upset about since it's most of the complexity. There's no need to regulate it to prevent everything from melting due to extreme heat that the metal would melt at. A nuclear reactor is in essence a slow motion nuclear bomb that they exchange the fuel in to keep running. Much the same as how a car engine is a slow motion molotov cocktail or bomb.

>>176273357
for future post pic of problem so we can help (laugh at) you

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This is a very /egg/ gun

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>>176273619
>people are pissed reactors don't explode
>other people are pissed you need circuit network to not waste fuel

Even if they could explode, the solution is still what people are already doing: buffering steam in tanks before turbines.

What exactly does the Death World setting do? Is it like Dangerous + Expensive + Train World?

>>176270771
>>176270747
>>176270719
>Uranium just generates heat to make steam
Wait, huh? That can't be how real nuclear reactors work. I thought we used plasma to collect radiation for energy.

>>176276168
yep.

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>>176277196
Reminds me of this

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>Playing Starmade
>Finally fucking figure out how to make a chaindrive
>It's like going from tier 1 warp tech in Distant Worlds to t2, or conventional engines in Aurora to late-game mil tech engines instantly
>Instead of spending twenty minutes to travel 1,500km I can do it in 30sec.
Actual technological advancements. Man I absolutely fangirl over this shit. What I've actually done with the tech is
>Make a carrier, fill it with infinite cloakers & small listening posts, all with huge scanners and radar jammers
>Hook them all up to rails so I can shoot them out in seconds
>I can blast to an enemies territory, place listening posts that don't show up on their map, and warp away before they can find out where I was
>I can then go to any cloaker I dropped off and stealth-survey all their shit, follow any outgoing ships, or just gather how well they're doing in general.
>I can triangulate where their outgoing ships are going to and intercept them with listening posts, although it does require a decent amount of manual labor on my part
>I've used this method multiple times to intercept their miners, warp to them with a cloaker that carries a couple logic torps, blow up a ship or two, and then disappear.
Pic is the first ship that I outfitted with the chaindrive. The pioneer, if you will.

>play robocraft back in the day, when it had an unlock spiral
>Had a ton of fun
>It turned to shit
>reinstall it some time later
>It's even worse
>reinstall it last night
>wtf it's fun

Did I just get a brain disease or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHzPEpHYtXQ

>>176246669
I meant spess, not spengor or skywankers, just spesspics.
I know there are more games here, I play them, but fugtorio has been on my mind lately and nothing else

>>176258409
never went for more than 4 or 5 honeslty, read that it's unlimited when I was reading that you can add/remove cables

>>176260964
what's chode written in?
as a matter of fact, what are all /egg/ written in? I know spengos is c#, skywankers is buggity, fugtorio is either the glorious C or cpp

>>176270004
that's why I made a shootable grappling hook on a rope with 15 balloons. shot, grabbed, unwound the rope so the sword started flying, moved, wound the rope so sword woud get to zone.
your idea isn't bad, but imo it's easier to just make a mech that grabs the sword and walks away than this contraption

>>176249083
I don't know what an 8-bit display is (8 leds? 7 segment display with decimal point?) but on the off chance I attempt this shitty challenge, I hope you will accept a ripple carry adder in its place. I found a C = AB that's relatively painless to use.

>>176281881
C = A(B-bar) is what I mean. AND with one inverted input.

>>176281881
8-bit display means each pixel is 8-bit. resolution is another thing

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Since it looks like starmade is being discussed I'm gonna shill FCM again

Come home, /egg/ man. We're playing on LvD and could use some more pilots. We're pretty set on resources but need more people to fly ships.

FCM Discord - https://discord.gg/QKf6U

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>>176282425

We have AI ships for fleet use for DAYS. We just need people to use them.

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>>176270771
>>176270747
>>176270719
>Spend an hour making this
>Doesn't heat up at all
>Hovers around 140 at the middle and 15 on the outside corners

Okay so nuclear sucks

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>>176282425
>>176282537

We have the ships...

https://youtu.be/cACQ2548i0o?t=1m29s

>>176282425
>>176282634
Sorry man, but I pretty much only play on Brierie nowadays. Pretty much the only one with an decent amount of people usually.

>>176279849
Pretty sure you don't.

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>>176282684

If you feel like joining up with us, just poke us on Discord. LvD is making a population comeback, and we're well established to handle the influx of new players.

>>176282086
That's less a matter of being able to build a computer in the game and more about having a game element that can assume 256 visually distinct states. For starters, Fugtorio lamps only have 8 colors, which is a 3-bit display.

>>176222192
Watch the mythbusters episode

>>176282594
>reactor heats up at 40MW
>exchanger draws heat at 10MW
>40 - 10 * 32 = -280 MW
>guise why isn't my reactor heating up nuclear is shit

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>>176282891
>Its easy dude just use heat pipes to connect it to heat exchangers
>Has no downsides
>Fuel cell into reactor, heat via heat pipe into heat exchanger, steam from heat exchanger into turbine, turbine makes electricity. Simple
>Do what I'm told
>LOL LOOK AT THIS IDIOT

>>176283285
>do what I'm told
you really, really didn't.

>>176282720
can y'arrrs! join? if so gib link

>>176283285
Perhaps the guy giving advice assumed you weren't a massive retard.
But then again
>mixing turbines and engines
Massive retard confirmed.

>>176283285
alright, sorry, I've been an ass

but still it's easy math, it doesn't suck just because you might have fucked up
hell, it even shows the principles for emergency cooling, if meltdowns ever get added to the game

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Whatever I made it work, thanks for your input I guess.

>>176284838
The wattage requirements for things that create power seemed meaningless. But yeah the issue was I didn't realize my steam pipes connected which brought my temp way down.

>>176285132
Reactors: 40 * 2 + 40 * 2 = 160 MW
Exchangers: 10 * 28 = 280 MW
Turbines: 5.8 * 31 = 179.8 MW
If those turbines ever start running at full power and the tanks empty out you'll cooling down again, but at -19.8 MW, which seems way more manageable
Still kind of an excess on exchangers though: filling those tanks seems like it'd kick steam production to it's maximum and net you -120 MW, blueprinting doesn't seem like a good idea

>>176263254
Could you post a close up of your intersection?
I'd like to examine this style

>>176285132
senpai for yer fucks sake open the fuckign excel and run the things over.

Or go to past thread and copy 'nuclear holocoaster'

>>176287910
why is there a wooden box on the ground? next to the red science assembler
WHY
Some things should burn in a fire

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>Join Eggtorio server
>Biters are mid-attack on steam engines
>Shoo them away
>Start planning how I should move the turret wall up to cover power
>Power is attacked again
>Build a temporary wall
>Now being attacked on the east wall under the lake
>Now being attacked from the west side
>Suddenly lost power because someone segregated a few miners to power instead of splitting it and the boilers starved
>Then power is finally back and now we're being attacked from both east and west simultaneously

Shits fucked guys. Someone has to be on defense duty and it can't be me when I work weekend shift.

>>176279445
>all with huge scanners and radar jammers
>jammers
>invisible
Home-on-jam when?

>>176282537
Is it yarr friendly?

reasons /egg/ is the best general

>comfy and ded
>wide variety of games with overlapping playerbase
>no tripfags
>general-specific servers
>the best maymays
>for the most part civil discussion
>largely /pol/ free zone
>adaptable and able to absorb new /ded/s at a moments notice

>>176292169
>largely /pol/ free zone
Cough cough

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>>176292169
minimum circlejerking
ur great anon and /egg/ is great too

>>176279849
disregard the post, the game is still a giant pile of unbalance shit. Who the fuck thought giving shotguns 250K+ damage per hit was a good idea?

>>176283285
you do realize each heat pipe section bleeds heat right?

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>>176292169
>largely /pol/ free zone

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>>176292169
>largely /pol/ free zone

>built two purpose liquid unpumping station
>lube loads off nicely, acid won't
the fuck?

>>176295639
>lube loads off nicely
>lube
I think you answered your own question there, buddy :^)

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>>176286783

Sure, here you go.

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>>176273348
Sometimes it's not the death rays you need to watch out for

>>176296367
man, i am not retarded enough to unload two things with one pipe, there's separate pumping for acid and for lube. Unless that's banned too, but fuck me if it's intuitive or sane

Even funnier, somehow after placing one pump in certain way it started pumping the acid now, but when it drained whole tank, and I reversed it to test further it decided to fuck this and ceased to work


the fuckity fuck is going on

>>176296452
Looks can be deceiving, but that looks like a tangled train mess waiting to happen. I suppose your traffic lights probably do a good job of stopping that.

What advantage would this have over a roundabout system?

>>176271802
Sorry kid. Nuclear power is just a very fancy way of making steam power.

Same with fusion.

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>>176292169
>largely /pol/ free zone

>>176296585
If you're not going to post pictures, there's not much we can really do to help.

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>>176296525
>One of the shield plugs on top of the reactor vessel impaled the third man through his groin and exited his shoulder, pinning him to the ceiling

>>176296585
chill, it's just a joke about lube lubing it's pipe and going faster

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>>176296969
oh, rigtho

Tren is in auto mode,because manual doesn't allow for unloading liquids, apparently
First tank is full, all pumps are set to work only if there' acid in train, and signal is sent by train stop.
Second tank is empty, and pumps aren't connected. Some are out and some in for in vain hope that any of them will connect

Tested the lube side literally minute ago and it worked without a hitch

>>176297130
having leftover liquids in pipes is legit problem, senpai

>>176296876

It should allow multiple trains to use the intersection at once. Trains can pass by each other without slowing down, for example.

>>176297220

Two of your pumps are pumping acid back in to the train.

>>176297220
Have you tried removing the lube pumps? Since train-connecting pumps have a special animation, I imagine they're probably coded so that only one can interface to a car.

>>176297220
Give every 2 pumps a dedicated pipe.
Also
>lolpumps

>>176297220
going by experience, each tank on a fluid wagon can only service one pump

also what the fuck happened to the factorio wiki

>>176297796
1.6 is not yet official so you have a wave of idiots trying to update pages for 1.6 when they fucking shouldn't and autisimos restoring the pages saying to hold your panties and only put information on the latest stable build.

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>>176297296
Presumably, the same thing should work with a roundabout. In both cases, blockage happens with two perpendicular trans going straight, but not with two trains parallel, or two trains turning right.

>>176297934
no I mean, they've apparently changed what it looks like

>>176297393
>Two of your pumps are pumping acid back in to the train

>Some are out and some in for in vain hope that any of them will connect

>>176297529
>Give every 2 pumps a dedicated pipe.
Well, once i get them to work I can start worrying about throughput

>>lolpumps
??

>>176297796
>going by experience, each tank on a fluid wagon can only service one pump
yes, the problem is none of them want to be serviced.

>also what the fuck happened to the factorio wiki
redesign, i suppose

>>176297435
>it werks
jesus fucking christ even when disabled the pumps probably signal "me is connecting", and somehow the lube ones got priority
I deleted the lube ones and now those won't work

Wube get your fucking shit together

>>176298254
>jesus fucking christ even when disabled the pumps probably signal "me is connecting", and somehow the lube ones got priority
Why do you need this one station pulling two types of liquid? You could just place a Y junction below and above, and have an Acid stations and a Lube station side by side.

>>176298416
I did it because lube would be seldom delivered, and I thought splatting another station in already crowded place would be worse idea than just doing dual purpose one
Oh how wrong I was...

I am more amused than angered by this 'feature', and as I know now why it was borked, but still, the fuck man...

>>176298596
I think if you really need to have a station handling multiple liquids, you're probably better off using barrels and a standard car.

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>>176297126
At least he probably died immediately

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>>176298013

I'll be honest, I don't know a whole lot about trains and intersections and whatnot, but it seems like this design could have up to 4 trains in it at once.

>no thread for games like subnautica or zomboid

Really makes me want to commit seppuku

>>176298723
I don't 'need' it, I did it because it looked like legit idea.
That was really educational experience.

>>176298756
Any intersection that's not pant on head retarded should allow four trains like on your pic

>>176298756
You know what, you're right. A roundabout could do this too, but only as long as the trains were shorter than a quarter circle. This crisscross design seems better suited for long vehicles.

>>176298831
You can be the change you want to see in the world.
Open your ass and your heart and mind will follow.

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Rate my idle plz. this """""game"""""
a shit

Energy engineering question.
How many MW does a geothermal power station (or stations) need to leech from a volcano to indefinitely prevent future eruptions?

>>176300692
7/10 tons of wasted space in A2.

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>>176302707
forgot muh

>>176302123
A fuckton of MW

>>176300692
>>176302825
>People using sorters
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I used sorters too, but people complained because i wasn't trying hard enough

>>176302948
I mean, how else do you get the waste and plastic separated?

>>176302847
How many?

>>176302123
>>176302992
With a bunch of roundings and few approximations, roughly about tree fiddy.

>>176131714
this is your fault why did you have to link that abomination

>>176302989
I think it uses a round-robin as the default sorting algorithm, so you can skip placing sorters if you place the recyclers in the right place

>>176302989
Anon, the game literally textually tells you how how that shit works.

>>176282594
That's way more HXs than a single reactor can use. For one reactor you can get away with 4 HXs, seven turbines, and two tanks for steam (two is enough to store 1 fuel cell's worth of steam).

Also, there are allegedly issues with heat pipes; you need to make sure to build away from the reactor towards the HXs, otherwise the heat won't flow properly.

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Filled the tank to 1025 (was aiming to 1k)
Filled the accumulator (5 MJ)
Moved the turbine's leftover steam back to the tank

Apparently 5 MJ ~= 53 steam
Is there any way to find the ratio more accurately?
It almost checks out with my previous attempt to fill tanks with a whole cell (8 GJ), which gave me 82040 steam, but didn't manage to the fill 8GJ worth of accumulators I set up

>>176303040
Ok, where do i go for non-meme answers?

>>176304731
As silly questions, get silly answers.

>>176304725
Ye old heat formula gave energy for every unit of temperature above 15C. So high temp steam gives more than low temp steam.

>>176304725
> More accurate
Do the same test with 100 accumulators.

>>176304907
How is that a silly question?
A active volcano (or at least, one that is going to erupt soon™) is very fucking hot and with lot of molten rock, this means lot of thermal energy that just begs to be released.
Since people tend to not be happy when that thermal energy is released in the form of billowing lava, mud torrents, searing hot ash in the lung and assorted pyroclasts some of which the size of a turkey and instead enjoy cheap electricity (and "being green") having enough geothermal station to prevent eruptions (coupled with the eventual gas venting every once in a while) sounds like a win/win to me.
Hence not silly.

>>176305686
Ask someone who actually has the data or find it yourself

this is not a very scientific thread in not a very scientific board on an anime imageboard
you won't get solid answers here

>>176305686
It's a silly question because you come here asking someone (but not you because you're awfully busy) to calculate the average lava content of a volcano, the energy content of that lava, and then to calculate how much of that needs to be removed by not-100%-efficient geo stations to prevent eruptions.
The question is on the same level as "hurr how many hand grenades would it take to blow up the sun xd".

>>176305686

Geothermal power plants aren't usually built on active volcanoes. They are built in areas where molten magma is near the surface but is relatively stable. Asking "how much energy would be needed for a geothermal power plant to stabilize a volcano is a silly question because they are only built in stable locations in the first place.

>>176306156
did you not close the quotation mark or did you use it in an unusual manner?

>>176306214

I always forget to close my quotation marks because I have brain problems, or something.

Asking "how much energy would be needed for a geothermal power plant to stabilize a volcano" ...

>>176273348
>>176296525
Usually (like this incident) the invisible death rays are what everyone pays attention to instead of the fucking steam explosions that occur when it all gets too hot.
Fucking Chernobyl was caused by a steam explosion, but nobody ever points that out in discussions about nuclear/atomic safety.

>>176306301
righto carry on

In Avorion is it profitable to build a mine and in the same sector a factory that uses products from the mine?

>>176304725
Water has a heat capacity of 0.2kJ per unit per degree.
1 steam at 500° has 97 kJ.

>>176306017
For the amount of grenades needed i think it's a moot point since they would end up being swallowed by the sun's gravity.
However the heavier elements contained within would end up going toward the core of the sun and probably end up shortening it's life cycle (especially with the iron in the casing)

Considering the sun would need to be 6 to 8 times as massive to create a supernova, this gives a decent ballpark estimate

The sun "weights" 1,989 × 10^30 kg
The M62 hand grenade, standard issue in the US military weights 454 g or 0.454 kg.
Let's assume half of that is iron, so 0.227 kg of iron per grenade.

How many grenades do i need to reach 1 sun mass?
1,989 × 10^30 kg/0.454=
4.4*10^30 grenades

Let's multiply it by 5 we obtain 22*10^30 grenades.
That should be more than enough to cause the sun to go supernova, either instantly or eventually.
Since the remaining lifetime of a star when it statrs producing silicon is about a week i'd say it's a good upper limit on how much time before the grenadesun blows up the sun for good.

>>176306940
>lifetime of a star when it statrs producing silicon
*starts
Fucking tiny ass quick reply window

>>176306919
I just tested and got 97MJ from 1000 steam, so it checks out.

>>176300692
>using sorters instead of saving space

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That's it. 3x2x2 double wishbone suspension, without any pushrod fuckery this time. Besiege is over, everybody go home.

>>176306017
Also, you say my question was silly but the whole neutronium dildo thing wasn't?

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I am a complete scrub.

>>176311176
>22 battery factories
For what purpose?

>play with long reach because old eggtorio had it in modpack
>discover just now that without evogui mod bugs don't trigger with electric poles
>[klendathu intensifies].gif

>>176312181
Wanted 2000 bots, and 2000 bots fast.

I was loading them factories by hand. The control drag feature made my early game consist entirely of this until I get enough construction bots to build proper factory.

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>>176296525
>Read this earlier
>Go on /k/
>Find an older thread that also mentioned this
>The day before
We really are /o/k/ General, aren't we

>>176312789
how horrific

>>176312843
Don't forget /m/

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>>176312843
That's odd, I didn't get it from /k/
Someone linked an article about fireless steam locomotives in regards to transporting steam in Factorio, and I kinda just wandered from there going from article to article

>>176312843
Actually, we're /k/o/g/

>>176313036
Well fuck, you ruined my shitty pun

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>>176313587
Wrong, we're /k/s/p/g/

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>>176296452
>here you go.
>>176296876
>train mess
>>176297296
>use the intersection at once
>>176298013
>thing should work
>>176298756
>I don't know a whole lot
>>176298876
>not pant on head retarded should allow
Anons, stop.
This gives me uni flashbacks and seizures.

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HA! HA! TIME FOR INEPTITUDE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster

>Incorrect loading of training torpedo causes explosion & fire INSIDE sub
>Sinks and later suffers more explosions from actual warheads due to fire
>Rescue teams don't get in for seven days due to Russians not wanting help
>Crew who survived explosions lived for 6 hours until yet another fire stole their oxygen

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>>176314223
that remembers me about pic related

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Rate my defensive perimeter. Am I ready for behemoth biters?

>>176314887
crude does 100% damage, heavy oil 105% damage, and light oil 110% damage, just so you know.

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Somehow this plane can pull 80Gs without even one wing panel snapping off

Gotta find out where its limits are

>>176314887
If you're taking the effort to run oil pipes, build doomstacks of flame turrets. The biggest oil expense is filling their storage.

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>>176303242
>reading "help" tabs
thanks anon. There's probably still at least one more plastic maker worth of space here with minor reconfiguration, and probably like 3 or 4 with exhaustive permutation.

>>176310307
what in god's name am I fucking looking at

>when train stops the inserters first insert then get the signal from train stop

Hey, how many fucks would starmade give on a server if I had a delay-block connected to a not block creating an infinitely repeating on-off signal?

Am I creating a viable solution for ripple fire timing or am I threatening to blow up servers?

>Besiege still handles speed as torque+speed
>No torque sliders on wheels, gears, spinners, hinges
>still no throttle control on the spinamathings
>Gears still fucking suck

>>176316574
No idea, but a couple of years ago i built a gatling gun that worked on that principle on a server and nobody complained

>>176312789
>I was loading them factories by hand
w-why

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>>176315264
Adding canards and vectoring thrust managed to put enough stress on the nose, although I didn't catch the exact amount of Gs it was under when it snapped, but the rear fuselage/wings appear to be impervious to G forces

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>>176317127
And the plane can still be landed safely even though the front landing gear is gone, so assuming the pilot can somehow survive 200Gs this plane is confirmed unbreakable by G forces

>>176289201
i logged in, in the exact middle of an attack swarm, died immediately, logged off, decided to wait for someone to deal with this bullshit

>>176317834
that's the general state of the eggtorio server at present, yes.

>>176315017
For some reason I cannot manage heavy or light oil to save my fucking life.

>Unlimited amounts of crude
>Have 5 refineries
>20-30 tanks for all three refinery products
>Set up plants for lube, acid, batteries etc
>Petroleum instantly and forever depleted
>Refineries stop because light oil maxed out so lets crack light oil into petroleum
>Light oil disappears and refineries stop because petroleum reserves are full
>Start cranking out solid fuel
>It doesn't make fast enough to replace coal for any application ever so it just piles up worthlessly
>Light fuel disappears completely for some reason and heavy fuel maxes out
>Crack heavy fuel into light fuel
>Heavy fuel disapears and light fuel barely changes
>Stop the cracking but heavy fuel never comes back, despite only using it for lube it never refills ever
>Light oil and petroleum are suddenly both maxed for no reason so I need to keep dumping them so my refinery makes heavy oil for lube

The logistics of worrying about my oil levels across the map are way too stressful to depend on it for my defense, but with 75+ pumps I know I never have to worry about crude ever

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>>176314383
>2:3 kill ratio against unarmed fishermen

Why in the all unholy fuck is there STILL not a Robot Battery research?
I don't care how fast they can travel as much as I care about how far they can travel before recharging.
Unless Robot Speed does that as well and I've just not ever noticed.

>>176314383
God damn it I re-read the long, detailed version on my own PC somewhere but I can't find it even though I know the filename

>>176318413
Decider combinators nigga, literally just a some if/else statements connected to some pumps

>Do we have enough Lubricant in our storage tanks (> 2500)?
>If yes, move to next step, if no, start pump going towards Lubricant chemical plants
>Do we have enough flamer fuel in the logi system (>= 200)?
>If yes, move on, if no, start pump going to that chemical plant
>Do we have enough Light Oil
>Who are we kidding, we never have enough Light Oil, just start the pump already.

>>176305991
>>176306017
>>176306156
"Ask not the Eldar a question, for they will give you three answers, all of which are true, and horrifying to know." -Inquisitor Czevak

>>176318829
>/egg/
>filthy space elves
Choose one

>ꙮ
Huh, nice "alphabet", Cyrilltards.

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I wanna build those gigantic bases in factorio but its so hard to keep things organized like I see in here

I just found out about the bluebrint tool? Do you negroes use it a lot to move stuff outwards and generate some space in the base?

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

How do you people do it? And whats the best type of map? Default? Rails?

>>176319271
Oregen similar to rail but without the pussy ayys.
Blueprinting shit helps, but it's really just a matter of gitgud.
Also RSO helps make better spawns.

>>176319271
>I wanna build those gigantic bases in factorio but its so hard to keep things organized like I see in here

>I just found out about the bluebrint tool? Do you negroes use it a lot to move stuff outwards and generate some space in the base?
They likely have a thousand hours at least. With 150 hours I'm still making spaghetti bases despite my best attempts.

>>176319271
It takes weeks or even months to figure out all the little factory tricks.

Just sit back and enjoy the spaghetti. That's part of the fun.

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>>176315692

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>>176319271
>frogposter
>nonfunctionally stupid
Why am I not surprised.

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>>176319370
I see.
Do you people generally put things on "high resources"?

>>176319417
>>176319471
>They likely have a thousand hours at least. With 150 hours I'm still making spaghetti bases despite my best attempts.
>It takes weeks or even months
Well thats good to hear, I have 15 hours only.

>>176319567
stfu 1v1 me fag

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>>176319721
Something similar to this.

>>176319271

Having a main bus helps organize your base immensely. You can make rows of conveyors carrying all your iron/copper/steel/plastics/green,red,blue chips, then just split them off as needed. Plan out how much space you think you're going to need, add a little bit of space for wiggle room, and then double it.

Once you get a personal roboport and some construction bots don't be afraid of tearing everything down and starting over. Blueprint parts of what are salvageable and rebuild everything. I took down my entire base in my death world game when I was about 20 hours in, leaving only power to keep the laser turrets running, and rebuilt everything. Unlike other games, you're not punished for tearing shit down.

>>176319825
Thanks mane

>>176319842
Nice. I'll put the power, assembly, and lab memes far away from each other now, unlike my current game, where all my shit is very close and I cant expand without fucking it all up.

>tfw when you have to rebuild your entire solar grid because the old one won't fit into your new power grid system and you only have the most basic worker robot upgrades

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>>176320665
>solar grid

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>>176320665
> Elf energy

>>176296525
>One of the shield plugs on top of the reactor vessel impaled the third man through his groin and exited his shoulder, pinning him to the ceiling
I thought that shit only happened in movies

>>176284615
Why would you pirate a free game

Just join te discord and we can get you started

>>176284615
>not knowing the demo is the full game
lol

>>176317087

Because in the first few hours or so (before unlocking some major researchs) building massive assembler arrays and filling them up by hand is fast and effective, if not against the spirit of the game...

But, you'll be tearing down early game shit anyway. I don't want to bother.

I don't even bother with a coal line to the furnaces either, when I build stone and steel furnaces I fill them up with 50 coal each and it's probably 2 or 3 top ups max before I'm ready with electric furnaces.

... but I just discovered marathon mode. Hopefully that makes this playstyle moot.