/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

1st for "YES!" is a better 1-up sound than a jingle because it doesn't break imersion

>>175667767
I'm not really sure about that. In Sonic 4: Episode I's online synopsis, it's mentioned that Sonic went on a separate path from his friends and Eggman was working on refining his previous creations since S3&K/CD until Sonic 4 starts. Sonic 4 is a Modern game, while Generations solidifies the time divide between Classic and Modern. This was probably done because, at the time, they didn't think they'd be making another Classic game. However, since Sonic Mania features Classic Sonic with his friends after S3&K/CD, Sonic 4 can't be canon. This is a good thing, since Mania can be an actual Sonic 4, and actually have an ending this time.

What makes 750 special, again?

>>175668485
wot? even sonic 3's terrible 1up jingle is better than just "YES!"

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>>175668485
>immersion
>in a Sonic game

Also 1ups are fucking stupid and need to go forever.

>>175668485
By that logic the fucking music breaks immersion.

>>175668560
250
500
750
1000

>thread #750
Does that mean we're from now on forever on autosage?

>>175668701
I agree the life system needs to go, it's a leftover from the arcade era

>>175668558
Keep story-shit out of mania.
It should be barebones at most.

>>175668560
It's a major milestone on way to 1000. For most things, once you get past 500, 750 becomes the next big deal instead of 600, just like how turning 75 is a bigger deal than turning 70 or 80

>>175668876
Sage will be happy about that

>>175668901
That, or make it so they can only be earned via score, so you can't just rack them up.

Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my favorite game of all time but the way you can just easily rake in dozens of lives and continues in special stages and bonus stages is ridiculous, not to mention they repurpose the sonic 3 stages to hand out lives all the time.

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>>175668701
C-Can we get more fujoshit in here?

>>175668701
Best ship. Hands down.

>>175668917
>/sthg/ hits #1000
>massive party and reminiscing
>x100 threads no longer have any meaning or fanfare
>have to wait for #2000 or #2500 for milestones again
Kinda sad, now that I think about it.

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>>175669087
Did someone say fujoshit?

>>175669048
there is another issue though,
what do you put in the levels for secrets and bonuses?

i don't want it to be like s4 ep2 where they put in red rings just for the sake of it.

I guess you have it be a case of items being currency for content, like concept art or music tracks like generations.

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>>175668887
It's beautiful

>>175668894
>Didn't the DS version get some exclusive handheld rep?
I have no idea... But now I'm interested.
How is DS generations anyway? I know it has biolozard instead of chaos and Big Arm instead of Egg Robo, both of which i view as better. How many other changes does it make?

>>175669048
S3&K has a save system, so lives don't even matter really in that game.

If there's going to be punishment for dying in a Sonic game, it's going to be a shitty rank or score, not a game over.

>>175669645
Game over still serves a purpose.
Being able to infinitely spawn at the previous checkpoint would be terrible.

If anything, not enough games have game overs.
Halo for instance would be much more nail bitting and less trial and error if you got 3 lives per checkpoint.

just read issue 50 of archie comics.
a nice finale for that era.

is their a story behind it?, I can only guess it was because of the oncoming sonic adventure. They wanted to a way to change robotnik to eggman. or was it just cos' it was the 50th and it was a milestone.

>>175669557
Classic Sonic learns the Homing Attack for the Dreamcast and Modern Era levels
Casino Night instead of Chemical Plant
Mushroom Hill instead of Sky Sanctuary
Emerald Coast instead of Speed Highway
Radical Highway instead of City Escape
No Heroes, 06 levels
Water Palace from Sonic Rush instead of Rooftop Run from Sonic Unleashed
Tropical Resort instead of Planet Wisp
Egg Emperor instead of Egg Dragoon

>>175669760
>Game over still serves a purpose
No it doesn't. What happens in a game over? You go back to the title screen, then select where you left off and play it again. Woah, big punishment there. You wasted less than 5 minutes of my time.

>Being able to infinitely spawn at the previous checkpoint would be terrible.
Taking away your rings and counting the time you spent before you died to the clock is punishment enough. Starting a whole boss over from the start is enough. The challenge in Sonic isn't about success, it's about blazing through it through practice, looking and feeling like a badass.

>>175669927
Issue 50 was supposed to be the the finale for the comic series, but then they realized that the comics were still going. Also, I really hope you read Sonic Super Special #6 instead of the actual issue #50.

>>175670201
the directors cut yeah.

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Why is he the best sonic character lads?

>#750
>Not Sage edition
Step up senpai

>>175670432
Technically the 750th reply is still a bump. The next thread will be sage edition.

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>>175645253
Just woke up. Thank you to the anon who did my request of coloring that image, great job.

>>175668701
>>175669126
My nig-hogs

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>>175670659

>>175670495
>750th reply
Meant to say post

Characters who will never appear again after Forces flops

Amy Rose
Cream the Rabbit
Cheese the chao
Vanilla the Rabbit
Rogue the Bat
Shadow the Hedgehog
E123 Omega
Blaze the Cat
Silver the Hedgehog
Gemerl the Gilzoid
Eggman Nega
Vector the Crocodile
Espio the Chameleon
Charmey Bee
Jet the Hawk
Storm the Albatross
Wave the Swallow

The comics ending is a blessing since they were going to use the shitty deadly six in the next arc. Just having Sonic Tails, Knuckles,Metal Sonic and Eggman is enough maybe Orobot and Cubot as well

>>175671753
But that's wrong, you fucking retard. Half the appeal of the comics was we got to see badly written one-dimensional game characters be fleshed out with actual depth.

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>>175671753
>Characters who will never appear again after Forces flops
>Amy Rose

>>175671753
>after Forces flops

>>175669760
>Halo for instance would be much more nail bitting and less trial and error if you got 3 lives per checkpoint.
You've never played with the Iron Skull on, then?

>>175672723
I have. But that's only 1 life

>>175671753
I don't get it. Why do you want Forces to flop so badly?

>>175673336
He's a shitposter.

>>175673336
So sega gets it through their heads that people like classic sonic and to give up on 3D sonic.it's why I want Mania to sell gangbusters so they see that from a money standpoint that it's not just purityfagging. it's smart to just ditch the fat and go with what works. As much as you and those like you like the extended cast, you're too small. You're like the small faction of starwars fans who like the new movies and the prequels. To put it bluntly, you guys are useless and nuisances in the grand scheme of things and if takes another flop compared to a game made by a fan to make Sega see then I'm all for it.

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Don't respond to lazy bait, people.

>>175670176
Agree with this.

At the very least, lives should only matter the first time through.
Losing a life every time I restart a level to get a better time is just a nuisance.

>>175673798
>mania
I'd be surprised if you get a sequel within 2 years of its launch. pixel art is hell, especially for something as detailed as mania and complex as sonic. I'm willing to bet they added the remixed stages not for nostalgia's sake but to pad the game.

>>175674036
>posting dead comics
Anon, it's time to let it go. They're gone, you having this just rubs salt on the wound of those sad sacks. It's over,anon.

>>175673336
Not him, but I don't give a shit about forces, but I don't want it to flop.

Ideally everyone should want both games to succeed. That way the entire base (sans adventure purists) are happy.

The fact that almost everyone is getting what they want and we have found a way to shitpost about it is really something.

>>175670176
>The challenge in Sonic isn't about success, it's about blazing through it through practice, looking and feeling like a badass.
Maybe in the boost games.
In the genesis games it's platforming first and foremost. And challenge without consequence is just bad game design for a performer.

>>175674902
Agreed.
Luckily game over isn't actually going anywhere so we can rest easy on the subject.

>>175674902
This so much. Making it so you just keep starting over at every checkpoint with no consequence would be terrible.

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>wanting Forces to fail
I'm not excited for it either, but come on now. Some people are. Let them have their boost game. As long as we get ours, who cares?

>wanting mania to fail
This takes some special kind of retard.

>>175675140
Mania is essentially fail-proof already anyway. It has gained enough popularity that based on how much they're selling it for it will easily be a profitable venture for Sega, and they will take note.

>>175675140
It's like politics and religion, it's only a victory once the other side is completely destroyed. At least that's how I feel about it. Think about it, if you know you're in the right would you tolerate people still being idiots despite being proven wrong over and over again?

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>The comics die
>The molestation of their characters will never yield, as people will endlessly circulate and create porn and lewd pictures.

>>175675140
https://youtu.be/AMFZx-JlRfc?t=23s

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Found while procrastinating. Works way better than it should.

>>175676038
>YOU ARE HUGE!
>THAT MEANS YOU HAVE HUGE TITS!
>GROPE AND SQUEEZE!

>>175676063
Part of me wishes this was the first Sonic style squid character I've seen, but I've resided in dark places in the past.

Well done, though.

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Changing the subject.

Generations 2.
Pick 9 stages, 1 from each game (s3&K counts as 1 game) and 3 bosses.

Let's forget the 3DS version of gens exists so you can use those stages if you want.

>>175668375

BABYLON WILL RISE AGAIN

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>>175676395
>Generations 2
Green Hill Zone (Sonic 1)
Green Hill Zone (Sonic 1 8-bit)
Emerald Hill Zone (Sonic 2)
Green Hills Zone (Sonic 2 8-bit)
Green Hill Zone (Sonic Blast)
Great Turquoise Zone (Sonic Triple Trouble)
Green Hill (SA2)
Splash Hill Zone (Sonic 4)
Green Hill Zone (Sonic Generations)

>>175676395
Windy Hill
Sweet Mountain
Savannah Citadel
Boss: Egg Wyvern

Casino Park/BINGO Highway
Pyramid Cave
Sky Deck
Boss: Shadow & Diablon (GUN Fortress)

Lava Reef
Mystic Cave
Scrap Brain
Boss: Final Fever

>>175669197
We should still do x00's regardless. They don't come very often and they feel nice to have with all the art and shit.

>>175676395
Scrap Brain
Aquatic Ruin
Carnival Night

Red Mountain
Final Rush
Power Plant

Kingdom Valley
Dragon Road
Asteroid Coaster

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Hey, maybe one of you doofuses can help.

I tried my hand at sketching this again for a few minutes and realized Omega's proportions are really hard to get right. Aside from the obvious (increasing the size of the chassis significantly to minimize leg length), do you have any tips for keeping him on scale?

>>175676395
1. Bridge Zone
2. Aquatic Ruin
3. Starlight Zone
B1. CD final boss
4. Ice Cap Zone
5. Rusty Ruin Zone
6. Final Egg
B2. Egg Viper
7. Crazy Gadget
8. Mystic Mansion
9. Lava Shelter
B3. Egg Emperor

>>175678034
>tips for keeping him on scale
Just grab a game render and practice

>>175678240
That helps with figuring out what's wrong with his proportions (I drew him long as hell, as if he's Gamma), but his scale in relation to other characters isn't really doable with the CG renders. Looking at official heights and other art of him next to characters helps a bit, but it's also really easy to make him too huge or too small when you try to draw him in relation to a human or a Mobian.

Thanks for the advice, though.

>>175669927
This right here >>175670201
Also, Sonic Adventure doesn't happen for a bit. When it does happen, you'll know because it's shoehorned in in the most awkward way possible

>>175676313
>Squid character
...do you live under a rock, anon?

>>175671753
Thank god for that. Bout time we cut them permanently too.

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>>175671753
Good.

The series should just be:

Sonic, tails, Knuckles, amy

And for bad guys

Eggman, Metal sonic

Thats all you fucking need. Mania is going to be exactly that, maybe without Amy but all the other ones no doubt.

>>175679042
>Amy
>Wanting a screeching retard fangirl
Why?

>>175679042
>>175678831
>>175671753
Still too many rodents.

It should only be Eggman and no one else.

>>175679042
I thought we were getting those shitty egg bots instead of Metal.

>>175679236
I forgot about those shitters. Goddammit, of course a Sonic game has to fuck up one key thing even if everything else seems right

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>>175678623
well we know every standard animal sonic character is 3 foot tall (or something. too lazy to look it up). it shouldn't be too hard to figure out omega's height. in game screenshots would probably be better but not by much since things change between games

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>>175679145
Because flower power. Trust me, I'd prefer just the classic characters, excluding Amy, but she just has to be there.

Besides, if it's 2D like mania, she won't say shit, so it doesn't really matter.
>>175679236
>>175679310

>Implying sonic won't take those things down like nothing after they find the weakness
Metal has become so popular I doubt he won't be in every game from here on out. Since generations he has gotten so much love and the feedback has been extremely positive.

Also, if Eggman won in forces, there's no way his ultimate creation didn't take part.

>>175676395
Console version
>Sonic 1: Star Light
>Sonic 2: Mystic Cave
>Sonic 3: Ice Cap
>Sonic CD: Tidal Tempest

>Adventure: Red Mountain
>Adventure 2: White Jungle

>06: Aquatic Base
>Black Knight: Great Megalith
>Colours: Astoird Coaster

Portable version
1: Spring Yard
2: Hill Top
3: Hydrocity
CD: Stardust Speedway

Advance: Angel Island
Advance 2: Hot Crater
Advance 3: Twinkle Snow

Rush: Dead Line
Rush Adventure: Haunted Ship

>>175679461
>>Implying sonic won't take those things down like nothing after they find the weakness
The problem is that they're there and are gonna be boses instead of Eggman in a mech like it used to/should be
>>175679461
>Because flower power. Trust me, I'd prefer just the classic characters, excluding Amy, but she just has to be there.
No she doesn't. We don't need an obligatory girl, this is the kind of shit that's ruining video games

>>175679486
Some of those choices seem pretty lame but
>tidal tempest

Are you fucking sub-zerious? Tidal tempest was just a tolerable labyrinth zone. Quartz quadrant would by far be the best choice.
>>175679689
>Gonna be bosses instead of eggman

You mean that you'll fight one, tails will figure out their weakness, and then they'll be destroyed in cutscenes? I think that's why you meant.

>No she doesn't.

From a marketing standpoint, yes she does. It's a selling point, whether you like it or not. If she's silent in a 2D game she's harmless.

>>175679914
>You mean that you'll fight one, tails will figure out their weakness, and then they'll be destroyed in cutscenes? I think that's why you meant.
I hope that's the case, because otherwise that's fucking stupid that they take the place of fighting Eggman himself

>>175680005
There's no fucking way they could goof up hard enough where you fight it more than once.

Fuck man I wish izuka was in charge.

Once again, the retards who stuck to the underbelly of this general don't have the common sense to ignore blatantly inflammatory posts in an effort to ruin our milestone fun - or, they're purposefully doing it just to fuck with us.

>>175680118
If they hadn't goofed up they wouldn't exist at all

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>>175680119
Cry more

We are having reasonable discussions about forces, if you want "milestone fun" try creating a discussion about milestones or whatever it is you're getting at.

>>175680119
Oh wow. I didn't even notice we're at #750 ain't we.

>>175679042

>Metal
>Not superior Mecha

Cease this inanity.

>>175679914
I think TT works well for CD

>>175679914
I'm hoping that they could rework Tempest into a more pleasurable experience. The music is jammin' either way.

>>175680514
We need to stop treating "metal" like he's this overly consistent character. There are multiple "metal sonics", going from silver to "metal" to mecha to whatever the hell that was in chaotix

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Lol bunch of Classicunts here today.

Imagine the fucking riot if they dropped everybody but Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Eggman and Metal Sonic.

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>>175680282
I think it's still slightly too early to judge if it's completely retarded or not. For now I just see it as a set piece to show the scale of how egghead has taken over. You have to have something bigger and stronger than a badnik, but not powerful enough like metal sonic to make you question why the whole city isn't obliterated yet.
>>175680514
God damn it I know you're the same fucking person who posts about mecha constantly. Mecha would be cool, but we all fucking know Metal sonic is just superior.
>>175680559
>>175680627
I feel like it wouldn't work in 3D, because it has to be confined but at the same time open enough to breathe. It doesn't help that Tidal tempest is extremely vertical, which doesn't really work in 3D.

>>175680767
Literally nobody would care.
Nobody cares about the autistic sonic """""canon"""""

And before you spurge out, I'm not one of the nostalgiacunts advotlcating for their removal. I'm just pointing out that it's not a big deal either way.

>>175680748
I don't even know where to start with this post, so I'll chalk it up to sparky.

>>175680831
>I think it's still slightly too early to judge if it's completely retarded or not. For now I just see it as a set piece to show the scale of how egghead has taken over. You have to have something bigger and stronger than a badnik, but not powerful enough like metal sonic to make you question why the whole city isn't obliterated yet.
Oh wow, we were talking about 2 COMPLETELY different things. I was thinking of those shitty robots from Mania, not the big ones from Forces. I wouldn't mind fighting one of those things once. Hard Boiled Heavies can fuck off

>>175681018
I'm probably as anti sparky as they come.
I don't care about much lore, just pointing out that there's multiple sonic robots you fight in the classic games.

>>175680119
These past few days of peace were nice.

>>175680831
>extremely vertical, which doesn't really work in 3D
That's true, it wouldn't adapt well at all. It could just be redesigned with a more horizontal layout, but at that point the design detracts quite heavily from the original. I would just as happily take a full Stardust Speedway.

Reminder that foxes eat hedgehogs

It's only a matter of time before everything changes. Forever.

>>175681072
Oh.

Yeah those hard boiled heavies are gay, and will probably be bosses. At the same time though, as long as the fights are cool, does it matter THAT MUCH if Eggman is controlling the machine or whatever? Besides, I'm willing to bet the head hard boiled heavy is just metal sonic anyways.
>>175681094
Yes that's why they have different names.

Silver, metal, mecha.
>>175681212
Inb4 flood of fags who say they're tired of SS

>>175681349
>no! Each metal has a specific name in the fandom! Get it right!
And to think you're calling ME sparky. Kek

>>175681349
>Yeah those hard boiled heavies are gay, and will probably be bosses. At the same time though, as long as the fights are cool, does it matter THAT MUCH if Eggman is controlling the machine or whatever?
Yes. Why change one of the coolest aspects of the classic games in favor of some shitty generic robots?

>>175681425
Most people I know just call them all metal.
It's not a big deal. Don't know why it mat tree rs so much to some people.

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>>175680864
That's wrong and you fucking know it lmao

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>you will never be friends with sonic

>>175681576
>that's wrong
Not really.

>lmao
You need to go back

>>175681425
>Each one has a specific name and design to differentiate them

Yes anon, that's how machines work. They get updated, change designs, and get called different names. I don't understand whats difficult about this.
>>175681446
I can really justify it, however we have only seen 2 out of like 7, so I don't know, it could change. I have faith in CW, that's why I'm not too worried about it.

>>175681502
Same

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>>175681632
>Not really
Are you denying that people would scream if they dropped the other characters?

>>175681882
They pretty much already have.

>>175681882
>Are you denying that people would scream if they dropped the other characters?
Some deviantart autists angrily sending Sega hate mail isn't going to make a dent compared to the many many more that don't give a fuck. People don't play sonic games for the characters. If anything, that's the last thing people want in a good video game. They rather just want a fun game.

>>175682215
Basically this. The characters that don't contribute are not necessary. That doesn't mean remove them from distance like some nistalgiafags are saying, but there would be no "riot" If say, Rouge or Vector was removed. Nobody really cares. And those that do, few in number, will just let those lost live on through the fandom.
Look at the comics. There's dozens of characters that hot pandered but they still get attention years later by the people that care enough anyway. Hell, Mina fucking mongoose still getsbconstant art drops and commissions.

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Hey boys (muah)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI

>>175680309
>We are having reasonable discussions about forces
>/sthg/
>having reasonable discussions about anything

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>>175675140
>As long as we get ours,

Even if Mania is successful, there's no telling if we'll even get another game like it. You have to look at the big picture here.

>who cares?

Everyone should. 3D Sonic needs to actually improve instead of stagnate in mediocrity, because that's where all the big money comes from. So yeah, I do agree that wanting the game to totally flop is retarded, because if it does then that directly impacts the quality of the next title. However, I DO want Forces to be the game where people start to realize just how shallow the boost gameplay is, and then criticize the game for it. I also think that Classic and whatever third gameplay mode there is will get shit too for various reasons, but I digress. Not to mention the "darker" story. I'm not worried about it personally, but you're playing with fire there, Sonic Team.

People shit on Lost World, and rightfully so if I'm being totally honest, but I think it's a necessary evil. Realistically speaking, having one "experimental" game and one "safe" game might be the only way we'll ever see real improvement in 3D Sonic. Ideally speaking, it wouldn't be this way. Ideally, Sonic Team might consult with fans (or at least someone who knows what they're doing) on how 3D Sonic on a foundation (read: foundation) level should work, and then we'd go from there. Say what you will, but it certainly would be a lot faster than waiting years for Sonic Team to flail around in the dark until they hit something. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world, so the "experimental" and "safe" game might be the best solution for now.

Sure, Forces will probably do about as well as Generations. I'm not doubting that. But if Sonic Team decided to ditch the experimentation concept entirely, then I think we might be in danger of stagnating really hard in the future.

>>175680119
>ruin our milestone fun
Like, 3 people care about #750.
Keep the celebration shit to x00 threads.

>>175682698
Speak for yourself.
750 is a bigger deal to me than 800

>>175682698
>no! You can't celebrate now! You have to act a certain way now!
Christ. Just leave.

>>175682698
How about I post and act how I like while the internet is still somewhat free and you go fuck yourself?

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>>175670495
Don't disappoint our little qt sloth anons.

>>175682843
>Treating arbitrary threads as celebrations
For what purpose?

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>>175682215
>>175682456
Anon, you, assuming >>175680864 is one of you two, said "Literally nobody would care. Nobody cares about the autistic sonic """""canon""""" "

But many posts in these very threads proves you wrong, again, assuming that that first post was one of you two. People do care. Perhaps too much.

Now, I don't know as a matter of fact that those who do care are a minority, and I doubt you do either, but I could believe that. I honestly do believe that the majority just want a "fun" game where you just go fast and maybe make fun of Sonic. And I could believe that those comparative few who care about characters other than Sonic are helpless to do anything to change Sega's mind to make other characters more prevalent.

But that is not how this argument started. To say that "literally nobody cares" is just not true. You, whichever one of you posted >>175680864, are either new to this general and Sonic fans in general, or you have mastered the art of blocking out all posts that contradict from your own opinions.

>>175682946
>/sthg/ represents a majority of the sonic fanbase
More like a thin autistic sliver, and even then, most people here don't care about cancerous sonic friends. Most of us want them gone.

>>175682683
>one experimental and one safe
but sonic team can't even do that right. They keep fucking around by not releasing a game that WILL sell while having a game on the side that will allow them to experiment without too much repercussions. someone posted a sonic analysis video that sums this all up.

>>175682908
How about I post and act how I like while the internet is still somewhat free and YOU go fuck yourself?

>>175682946
Let me make this clear for you.
We. Don't. Care. About. Friends. We. Just. Want. A. Fun. Game.

>>175682946
Nah. Maybe a few care. Most clearly don't give a fuck. Hell, most attribute the friend drama shit as part of the downfall of sonic in general.

>>175682946
So much wrong in one post. Where to even begin with this one...

>>175683129
This .Sonic doesn't NEED friends. We could just have Sonic and Eggman in what is basically an empty void and as long as it's fun that's all that matters

>>175683259
Agrees.

Or hell, keep the friends, ads more even, but make sure the GAME takes priority.
The friends are extra fluff. Nothing more.

>>175682926
Oh hey, that reminds me that I finished that thing last night but I'm not satisfied with it because I can't break my habit of making multiple part stories and I'm not totally sure I did them justice. I should probably post anyway, shouldn't I?

>>175683323
You should anyways. We can give feedback.

I just want them to get Sonic himself good before adding more characters.

>But Sonic IS good
Boost is a stopgap and ST can't even get Classic right anymore.

>>175683315
If the friends are fluff and unneeded, why have them? Wouldn't more people be happy without superfluous characters?

>>175683054
>/sthg/ represents a majority of the sonic fanbase
When did I say that?

>>175683129
You don't care about friends. Most people don't care about the friends. But not every single person doesn't care. There do exist people who care about Sonic's friends, even those who care about the """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""canon""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""". Maybe they shouldn't care, but they do. These people do exist. And they can't do anything to make the games more like want they want, but they do still exist. And they are a minority, but they do still exist. To say that "literally nobody cares" is not true.

>>175683193
>A minority care about friends and canon but the majority don't
Yes. That is what I said.

>>175683493
>If the friends are fluff and unneeded, why have them?
Ireelevant. As long as the game improves, they can stay if that makes people happy. If they hinder progress however, then they need to be swept aside.

>>175683129
That's true and not true at the same time. I want a fun game but I also want a fun game with my favorite character included. During arguments like this I like to bring up Sonic 3 & Knuckles, the Advance games, Rush...es, and Sonic/Shadow portions of Adventure 2. You can get away with making a fun game but if you're gonna include other characters make sure they play like Sonic. This is one of the reasons I'm not as hard on Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Shadow, Blaze, and Metal Sonic. They all played like Sonic when they were playable in their respective games with a small added bonus. You don't need to go above and beyond including some slow as hammer whack or chaos spear. Just make em jump, spin dash, and if they can fly or climb a wall go for it.

>>175683530
That Canon needs more quotations still

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>all these wrong opinions

>>175683462
https://pastebin.com/5xB8JD8P
Rip and tear it apart, I'm apparently still not feeling it.

>>175683563
>If they hinder progress however, then they need to be swept aside
Which they have been doing. If not on the gameplay side, then the stories, which are still terrible. The only solution to that is to go back to Sonic 1 style where it's in a manual

NIGGERS I IMPLIED YOU SHOULD STOP REPLYING NOT REPLY MORE

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>>175683853
>Adventurefags

>>175674902
>>175675024
Again, I stress: there is consequence. You lose your rings, your time is ruined, and you're fucked out of an S rank either way. You don't need the context of lives in order to feel consequence.

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>>175683853
>Generationsfags

>>175683879
you act like sonic's friends are responsible for everything bad that happens to the franchise instead of, you know, the motherfucking developers

>>175684047
But I have nothing better to do.

>>175680767
They already did that though....

We haven't had anybody else in a game for a decade.

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>>175683853
Mania shitposters confirmed for being a minority

Reminder that if you ever meet a Classicuck like >>175683129 on the street, kill him.

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You nostalgia niggers already got Mania, what fucking more do you want?

Welp, this thread went downhill quick.

>>175684364
>Reminder that if you ever meet someone with different beliefs than your own on the street, kill him.

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>tfw boost/classicfag watching shit be thrown back and forth

>>175684512
Classicucks don't just want a game of their own. They want their game to be the ONLY thing in the franchise. They won't stop artistically screeching like they've been doing for 15 years until the franchise is nothing but Sonic 1 re-releases. They would rather see the series die than see anybody else happy.

Classicucks are and always will be the worst people in this franchise. They are a disease.

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>>175684512
It is not enough to have what I want. Everything I don't want that others enjoy must be removed as well.

>>175684104
Game should be challenging to complete as well.

>>175684104
>2 hours ago

>>175683853
>i like both equally
Confirmed bullshit poll. No single thread supports this.

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Will Sonic ever get a good story?

>But sonic games don't NEED a story! just look at Mari-
Fuck off

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>>175684785
This. Memelords with crappy game design ideas screeching at the thought people don't want to play Green Hill Zone for the nth time. The only way to get rid of them is killing the nostalgiatrain once for all, and Classic Sonic might be the one who'll do it.

>>175683868
Felt a bit abrupt.

Other than that, I think both acted like how I imagined.

>>175685004
The best Sonic story is one that feels fun and adventurous, with just enough seriousness to keep moving the plot along, but not intrusive enough to get into the gameplay. I liked SA2's, it was fine.

>>175685042
Yeah, that's what part 2 would've been for, but thanks.

>>175683853
>what type of 3d sonic do you prefer?
>53% none they all suck
And yet
>65% likes both 3D and 2D equally

Kek. What an irrelevant poll. I hope nobody takes it seriously.

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>Sonic's friends don't matter and nobody cares about canon

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Daily reminder that ClassicCucks literally just wanted their own Sticker star.

>>175684785
You've got that backwards, friendo.

>>175685157
53% Adventure.

>>175685204
I'd care about canon if there was one.

>>175685157
Nobody takes it seriously. I voted in it like 8 times anyway.

>>175685251
This

>>175685026
God I hate "Classic" Sonic. He was fine in Generations, but now it's time to put that rat in the trash where he belongs.

>>175685157
>53% none they all suck
Are you color blind?

>>175685209
Why are you calling the overwhelming majority of the fanbase "cucks"?

It's like if you tried to say that everyone that liked the old halo games under bungle more than the new ones under 343i are cucks.

>>175685319
He'll stay. He's the new cutesy character, and I guess you know what that means.

Tails is the one heading for the dumpster

>>175683868
Cute. I liked the meta stuff, too.

>>175685319
Boostfags, everyone.
So glad they're in the minority.

>>175685209
That's an excellent comparison.

>>175685157
Are you colorblind? Dumb classicuck.

>>175685574
>classiccuck
Implying

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>>175685434
Five does not make a "overwhelming majority"

>classic cuck
Is this the hip new meme?

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>>175685004
I found SA2, Unleashed, Black Knight story to be good. Rush, Rush Adventure, Battle, Advances, Heroes and the classic trilogy were okay. Just okay. Up in the air on SA1, Colors, and Lost World. Secret Rings and Shadow was pretty bad. I prefer not to talk about 06 and Boom.

>>175683054
>I can't believe this poster just said that /sthg/ represents a majority of the sonic fanbase

>>175685157
>The pink slice that takes up more than half the chart says 3D sucks

You people need to get your fucking eyes checked.

>>175685734
It's just one day spamming it and mad that mania is more anticipated by most than Its-totally-not-generations-2 forces

>>175684841
Then you have no respect for games as an art form. It's not all about "can I beat the level?"

Boostbabbies in all out Forces today I see

>>175682926
>Sage with fingers
DEL THIS!

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>>175685527
>So glad they're in the minority.
Then why did boost bought back in Forces?

>>175685859
>i want the game to be easy to beat! I want unlimited tries!
Gen z is beyond saving.

>>175685734
There's nothing new about it. Just add "cuck" to the end of something you don't like and instantly BTFO anyone with a different opinion.

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Classicucks need to be quenched as soon as possible. They've been waiting 20 years for something that won't happen. Mania ain't even being made by SEGA.

>>175685734
It just works. Like genwunner, johtoddler, hoennigger, unovabortion, and kalosperm. Not really sure what /vp/ calls Sinnoh and alolanfags.

>>175685859
All I can say is I'm thankful you're not in charge and game over isn't going anywhere. ;)

>>175685734
Just classicucks getting mad.

@175685902
>falseflagging
Not even worth a (You)

http://www.tssznews.com/2017/05/01/archie-sonic-email-sent-after-all-states-theyre-working-on-the-situation/

Anyone who actually thinks boost is good should literally kill themselves.

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>>175686001
Mania crappy sales will get us rid of them.

RE: 175686415
Still no getting that (You). Seen better shitposting from /nepgen/.

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>>175686228
Thanks Archie

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>>175686481
>lying forces will sell anywhere near mania

>>175686481
Thankfully. I can't fucking stand the sons of bitches.

>>175686228
it's better than nothing I suppose

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>>175686481
>mania
>crappy sales

>>175686520
Well don't tease the poor dear

>>175686415
Here you go, Anon. It's alright, I understand times are tough. If you ever need any more, you know where to come.

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>thread status: complete shitposting cancer

How did we get here? Back around 500 everyone was happy. There were posters happy that everyone got what they wanted.

>>175686745
Daddy?

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>>175685970
>>175686051
>strawmanning this hard
You braindead retards are so dead-set on "challenge = hard to beat" that I seriously pity you.

You'd have to be retarded to get a game over in Sonic 2. That's because success has nothing to do with that game's challenge. Plenty of games do this. Just look at Metal Gear Solid. None of those games are hard to beat and the only consequence for dying is your endgame rank getting compromised.

The challenge comes from doing it well, and doing it consistently, in repeat playthroughs. Because it's not really fun, and you're not really playing, until you're running through the level tearing shit up like a pro, and doing it fast.

>>175685520
Thanks, hopefully it wasn't too much.

>>175686228
So basically more of the same, awesome.

>>175686884
People falling for low effort nonsense.

>>175686884
usually when we start arguing about the good and bad points of the sonic franchise, someone posts an absurd opinion that's usually not so subtle shitposting and people fall for it.

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>Christian Whitehead Stardust Speedway Bad Future

How could he think the screen flashing every 4 seconds was a good idea?

>>175686973
>playing a sonic game for the first isn't considered fun
I want to kill you and eat your corpse

>>175686973
>being this mad about being wrong
How do you deal with the fact that your opinion will never be implemented and lives/game overs are here to stay?
Feels good to be on the winning side. Cheers mate.

>>175686884
I guess the anniversary stuff last year brought more shitposters.
That and the Archie situation doesn't help.

>>175687275
This.
It's mostly everything falling apart from archie.

>>175686884
>There were posters happy that everyone got what they wanted.

You stick around long enough and you'll get shitposters and extremists.

>>175686973
You're right. Replay value > purityfagging

Generations sold

>>175687272
That guy is an idiot anyway. He wants infinite tries and thinks sonic was always about going as fast as possible. Probably a boostfag. But like you said, he's not getting what he wants. Not now. Not ever. So he can just stay mad

>>175685004
The only good Sonic story was Sonic 1 and 2. Never interrupted gameplay for even a second outside of the ending. Simple and to the point with no dialogue

>>175687272
>Smoking will be around forever so you're wrong for thinking it's bad
(You)

>>175687271
No Sonic game is anywhere near as fun to play the first time as the second.

>>175686481
>>175686637
>Implying it won't shit on Forces and finally rid us of all the shitty superfluous characters

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>>175687275
>>175687342
even as someone who hasn't read a single comic, you don't know how fucking refreshing it was to be here and see everyone talk about lore, characterization, teams, worlds and all that other shit the comics offered.

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>A proper Mario and Sonic game would be more difficult and weird!

>Mario and Rabbids gets a proper Strategic RPG and features David Vise Doing the soundtrack.

There better be a bombastic E3 to make up for this.

It's real funny because arguments in the Sonic fanbase, even more than general arguments, never get anywhere. We all started at different points in the franchise's history and therefore have our own opinions about what's right and wrong for Sonic. This, if it wasn't clear, is because of Sonic Team constantly changing it up. If they want to help themselves, they'll have to stick with one gameplay style, such as boost, even if it means alienating others in the process. They'll lose fans at first but gain some after awhile, ones who appreciate the gameplay style they went with.

Trying to listen to the fans as of now is hopeless.

>>175687815
No, there IS a way to appease everybody (or at least everybody sane) and Sonic Team isn't trying hard enough.

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>>175687538
>Genesis Sonic Stories

>Good

>>175687976
They had no stories, which was good. Better than the absolute cringefests of bad writing the modern games have had to offer

What doyou think Blaze is doing right now

>>175687910
Which would be?

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>>175688078

>>175687817
>Flat Bump

>>175687817
600 was a nice thread.

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What ya'll been up to, I been playing this, chillin a little on my last day off for 14 days hooo shit fuck me daddy

>>175687815
sega game division is surprisingly broke. how? I don't know. but if they are so broke how the fuck do they keep doing shit like boom, 06, and LW if they can't afford to develop more than one game at a time?

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>>175687817
Bump is a cutie.

>ITT: MY SONIC IS THE ONLY GOOD SONIC

If you faggots care this much about your Adventure/Classic/Modern style, just make a fangame already.

>>175688389
Shitposting and getting mad at Archie for not actually giving an update.

>>175688389
Getting feedback and about to hit CF or Gen.
>last day off for 14 days
Wew lad, that shit better pay well.

>>175688407
sega gets all their money from pachinko machines or something I don't know how creative you can get doing that

>>175688458
on it

>>175688078
Cheering on Sonic from the sidelines.

>>175688458
>just make a fangame
easier said than done. classic physics are strictly 2D and have an entire page on how to properly replicate them. Boost and Adventure are 3D and you need serious cojones to tackle 3D physics, though boost could use car physics and get away with it.

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All of you complaining about Classic/Adventure/Boost when it's quite clear what really needs to happen:

>>175688858
>classic physics are strictly 2D
That's where you're wrong. The physics could easily be transitioned 1:1 to 3D. It just needs actual level design that isn't garbage to work with it.

>>175688458
But then it wouldn't be official and thus automatically bad.

>>175688206
Make it open world, make boost like it was in Advance 2 and doesn't kill enemies, replace Wisps with Sonic's friends, add a Chao Garden and add actual levels with ranking systems that you travel to on the map.

Done. The perfect Sonic game.

>>175688958
>>175688858
>But it's hard
>But it wouldn't be official

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

>>175688863
Go away, Webber.

>>175688947
explain how to do proper loops in full 3D without a spline path like adventure (since you fucks hate it so much) and allows full control like the classic without having to manually move left or right to stay in the loop

>>175677235
Alright

>>175689268
Loops are level design, not physics. Physics is just smooth sloops that allow for loops in the level design.

>>175689268
>explain how to do proper loops in 3D without it taking control away from the player but also not requiring the player to have control
Not even going to bother giving this stupidity an actual answer.

>>175688863
Aaron pls go

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqz0ZVh76lM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UupLrW125RY

It's been 3 games Sega.

>>175681279
>Reminder that foxes eat hedgehogs
yeah, the ones they can catch

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>>175689601
Call me a turbo weenie, but I don't understand how anyone could dislike Generations. Incredible levels, looks amazing, the best controls of any 3D Sonic game, and the camera is solid. It's just blissful, to this day.

It's just a little peace of heaven. Only flaw is that there wasn't more of it.

>>175689916
The "classic gameplay" didn't actually resemble the gameplay for the classic games, and Modern Sonic was just a boostfest.

>>175689916
Classic controlled like shit and the level selection was lacklustre.
Also a lot of the missions sucked.
Also Unleashed looked better.
Also the final boss is actual cancer.

The mods are good though.

>>175690293
The mods are the ONLY good thing about the game.

>>175689916
Classic was fun but played like ass.

Story was somehow barebones and lame, there could have been some good fanservice but na

Missions are meh

Final boss eats ass

Perfect Chaos goes down way too easily

other than that it's pretty damn rad

>>175690180
>>175690293
>>175690439
I don't understand why you three dislike the classic gameplay.

It's definitely not 1:1 with the Genesis games but I don't think it's supposed to be. It's a modern style for 2D Sonic and I liked it a lot. The controls never got away from me.

>>175689916
>They get to redo the Perfect Chaos fight
>They STILL change the music to some generic shit in the second phase
Sonic Team are genuinely retarded.

>>175689601
>"NOT SONIKKU? HOW DO WE CHANGE THE GAME"
>"WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'LIKE THE CLASSICS?' YOU JUST WANT CLASSIC SONIKKU?"

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>>175689506
>>175689247

>>175690816
I like the classic gameplay, I hate when people want it to be exactly like the Genesis games. It's meant to be a different thing, and the fact that it's very obviously not meant to be a 1:1 Genesis clone in design is the same reason I never had a problem with Sonic 4.

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>>175690816
>It's definitely not 1:1 with the Genesis games but I don't think it's supposed to be.

>Call it Classic Sonic, make it look like Classic Sonic, doesn't play like Classic Sonic
>It's shit on purpose
I guess?

>>175690830
>CAN'T HOOOLD ON MUCH LONG-
>Generic music starts.

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>>175689916
>lackluster Classic stages
>half of the chosen stages are either Green hill clones or ones that are from the 1st stages.
>3DS stages are worse and the only handheld stage it has is from Rush
>Barebones story compared to colours
>Death Egg Robo and Egg Dragoon are the only good bosses
>THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOMING SHOT
>no DLC aside from Pinball.

>>175690830
>>175691043
They should of done it the other way round.

>>175691002
>not like how I want it to be
>shit
It's disappointing but it's not shit. I'd argue there's MAINLINE sonic games that control worse than classic does.

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>>175690923
Aaron pls stay

>>175691002
I dunno. Mario Odessa is touted to be a sequel to Mario 64 and Sunshine, but it isn't going to play like those games did. The new classic for Generations wasn't a copy paste of the original Sonic, and I didn't think it suffered from that. It feels different, but totally fine as a 2D platformer. Like I said before, I didn't have any complaints with it.

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Unleashed and Colours have the best Final Bosses in the series history.

>yfw HEEEEEERE'S SONIC

>>175691437
Neither of those are Perfect Chaos or Finalhazard.

>>175691586
>Finalhazard
>Best

>>175677235
You know, at some point this is going to be a thing.

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>>175691437
Yet those games were garbage. Really makes you think.

>>175691639
>Finalhazard
>not a perfectly executed finale sequence

>>175691656
Better than the Adventure games

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxRQGQy24TE

How is this a review? The jokes suck, long-ass shitty opening that doesn't end THEN muh complete sections, the fanfiction-tier muh creepypasta headcanon, the whine I'm not good so I won't talk about the game, confusion between artistic direction and gameplay design...

Why are people liking this shit?

>>175691770
>"Gotta Go Boost!"

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>>175691770
Born after 2001 confirmed.

>>175691889
>>175691919
Nice try adventurecucks.

>>175690830
>>175691043
Thank god they had an unlockable version of Open Your Heart that you can override the music with.

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>>175684804
My fresh garb opinions just for you, doc

>>175691979
I'd rather be a Adventurecuck than a Boostfag. At least Adventure has gameplay.

>>175692096
I see no problems here.

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>>175692096
>post actual decent taste
Really sets my timer.

>>175692096
Did you make this template yourself? If so it needs more "Least Favourite"s

>>175692096
This is actually bretty gud

Good shit, anon.

>>175692127
>Sonic game
>You don't even spend half the game playing as Sonic
What did he mean by this?

>>175692279
Yep. I got lazy halfway through. I'll add a least favorite game bit. That should fill in the missing panel.

>>175686884
Shitposters, samefagging shitposters, and autism.

>>175692096
Egg dragoon is so fucking cool that it's almost a shame that it DIDN'T kill sonic.

https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/05/first4figures-25th-anniversary-statue-sneak-peak/

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>>175692096
Give me 48 hours and I'll find a way to disagree with this while derailing the thread sending it into a shit heap of "not muh's."

But until then I have one question for /sthg/, how did you feel about the zoomed up "bullet hell" sections of Unleashed daytime bosses?

>>175692096
>favorite show is a movie
>only choice of movie

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>>175692096
>people actually like my taste
Feels good, Here's an empty sheet.

>>175692753
Egg Devil Ray was a GOAT boss because of that. Would love more bosses that were like it.

>>175692902
Should've put favorite animation.

>>175692398
>claims to like sonic
>only likes the spinoff games in the series and hates the main entries

What got you into sonic? Maybe a let's player?

>>175693326
>Colors and Unleashed
>Spinoff games
What did he mean by this?

>>175692902
forgot my crying man
>>175693379
what the fuck is that cute robot

>>175693463
No matter what anyone says, Sonic 3 Sonic was the best Classic Sonic.

>>175693543
my echidna

>>175692398
Not who you replied to, but people just want to go fast but not play as a rat.

>>175693543
gotta love that rounded, slightly more detailed spritework

>>175693614
Meant "some people"

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Wow, there sure is a lot of bitching going on today.
Lets have a poll to see who we go the most of here: http://www.strawpoll.me/12882045

>>175693463
I like the detail on 3&K, but I really love the expressiveness of Mania.

>>175693889
What if I'm all of them?

>>175694112
Then you have to choose the one you like the most. Simple as that.

shit, I never considered that.

>>175693889
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12882045
what if I fit more than one?

>>175678793
OCs don't count, anon.

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I unironically enjoy the Sonic series.

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>>175694260
See >>175694206

Sorry about that. I'll have to take this into consideration the next time I make a poll

>>175694481
>I unironically enjoy the Sonic series.
And that means you're a faggot. Who the fuck enjoys Sonic? I know we don't.

>>175694481
>liking Sonic
What's wrong with ya Nerd?

>>175694481
You are wrong.

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>>175694481

>>175689916
I enjoyed it at the time but having got all the red rings and S ranks I don't feel any desire to return to it.

>>175691358
>momentum based platformer
>turning into a ball while going down a hill SLOWS you down
>totally fine as a 2D platformer

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>>175694112
Just pick your favourite. I enjoy all three, but Classic is the most enjoyable for me.
>>175694481
I do too.

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>>175694481
Get the fuck out of here, you disgusting, rodent-loving fuck. Your kind isn't welcome here.

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>>175694337

m8

>>175694817
Thought they were talking about that comic shit for a moment.

official sega Amy nudes when?

>>175694713
You posted the best Sonic!