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3rd for elves

Why are we still here?

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>>175460442
>ywn suck on those mana-filled tits
why even spellboost

>>175460442
>she will never look this good
Art change when? She looks ugly as fuck in game

>tfw haven vs rune
Why is this allowed to be so lopsided? I can't do anything, even if I get a very lucky draw.

Is the undub/uncensor in the op the latest version or am I going to get purple shit again?

>2/3 ward at turn 10 can single-handedly win the game
remove this shitty card

>>175460442
Officially the Hulking Faggot craft.

Luminous mage isn't as good as people think it is

help me out with daily guys 46744

>>175460978
Rahab is literally better

>>175460978
Free evo is pretty damn good for the class that wants to save an evo for Albert.

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>>175460890
Invulnerable to applicate AIDS

>>175460978
only because dragon and shadow are more bullshit

>>175461116
>>175460890
Never even seen this card once in ranked

>>175460442
>dubfags will never see this

>score rewards reseting
>no nerfs to dragon, grimnir or shadow

fuck you cygames

How long are they planning on having Phoenix Roost under maintenance? This is getting ridiculous.

>>175460978
She's fucking gr8 m8. I played two of her in "Midrange" and sometimes I'd even prefer getting her to Albert from Maid pulls.

>>175461079
Rahab literally get removed because it's turn 4. Nobody says much shit about Shadows 1/4 skelly and Haven's 2/2(3) ward made to stop aggro somehow, these has been around like forever.

>>175460978
You're fucking retarded if you think she's not broken.

>>175461087
The evo can only go to one of two understatted options which is usually just a 4/5 rush + token. It's good, but there's a reason people only run 2. It is also severe dead weight off-curve. Compare its value to something like Eachtar which does literally everything

>>175461216
That's why they're Hulking faggots,.

>>175461381
We really shouldn't be hoping for cards to be balanced around Eachtar. If Eachtar is the new acceptable tier for good cards this game is fucking done.

>>175461367
Rahab has 5 defense which is more than a lot of T4 evolves (or worse, T4 non evolves) can go through, and if you can't destroy it on curve it gets crazy stronger. IDK why they thought it needed to buff itself afterwards.

>>175461045
thanks luna

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>>175461279
ranked is a legitimate fucking nightmare, I played the game only since DE but this is genuinely the worst the game's ever been since then by far
>>175461367
>turn 4
Lol fuck off esl shitposter

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>drop by our booth to chat with and challenge NGE Shadowverse Open tournament casters Rainy and Sterling along with community heroes Envybae and Aya Senpai

>>175461367
Rahab is ridiculously overstatted for a craft that can ramp into playing it at just the right time for literally every craft to be stopped dead by it.
It could lose its meme passive that makes it relevant at all points in the game because of reasons, and people would still play it because it's the perfect ramp enabler

>>175461513
>Aya Senpai

Is this grill???

>>175461513
>community heroes Envybae and Aya Senpai
so this is the state of the western playerbase

>>175461686
a nigger

i wish i was making this up

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>>175460590
>3rd for elves
>2nd post
dumb knife ears

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>>175461686
it's a black hobo, and envybae is a tranny
""""community heroes"""""

>>175461469
Fancy mechanic for a not so surprising card. They wanted it to be useful through all match, but for that you need to waste your turn dropping only him. Kinda similar to that 2pp (6pp enhance) Sword card.

>>175461615
Not wanting to bring up Shadow into the discussion but
>Death Breath's

>>175461870
death's breath is turn 6 and 6 necromancy...

>>175461324
They don't want to make Dragon even more broken or counting on the fact that nobody plays him so nobody would care.

>>175460978
>>175461381
She wins you the evo advantage and turn 4/5 which lets you use more evolves for face damage or clearing big wards.

most common first evolves turn into 4/4 or 4/5, frequently hitting something with 2 attack. that puts the 4/5 to 4/3 and you have the option of trading with the 3/2 to leave mage untouched or 4/5 which becomes a 4/1 with a 2/1 still on the field.

The opponent can not leave the mage alive as well. If he does he literally might as well concede immediately, so that will burn another evolve or removal which will typically eat their whole turn or most of their turn, the later usually being a 1 or 2 drop.

This also allows you to evolve albert next turn with a lesser chance he gets removed.

>>175461469
The problem is that even reaper benefits of enemy's wards around that turn...

What is the best way to punish faggots who bring their netdecks to unranked?

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>>175461324
Fucking ban Gaywine or something holy shit. I want my memes back.

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>>175461513
>thought this was a joke
>check
>it's real
what
the
fug

>>175461787
Right now the only card meta dragon has that doesn't become obsolete by late (mid for the opponent) game is aiela and some cut her from their deck anyway. It's fucking stupid. Enhance is dumb and so is any mechanic similar to it that allows you to always get 100% efficiency with your cards even without playing on curve.

>>175461928
So their plan is to have it on hold indefinite?
It's one freaking card, how hard can it be to work something out?
It's been under maintenance ever since TotG dropped.

>>175461925
But that's also a board flood + 3 uncapped shadows.

>>175461980
And that's if they only drop one of them. I can't fathom the enemy having three of that card. All tutorable of course. Sword is like tier 1.1, held back by the hearthstone tier dragon and shadow.

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>>175462036
This is exactly why Grimnir is the worst fucking designed card in the game. Once dragon hits 10 pp on turn 6-8 they have their fucking pick of hard and pseudo clears and saha/zell combos without sacrificing any fucking space in their deck. No one can keep up with dragon at this point, except maybe shadow

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>>175461469
>>175461615
HOLY FUCK 4 PP 2/5 WARD GAMEBREAKING OVERSTATED

>aggro fags

>>175462036
Prepare your anus, next expansion will introduce a new keyword and even more enhances. At least Clash isn't abused too much, it's a very annoying mechanic.

>>175462108
>>175461870
DB used to be balance because shadows were hard to get, until Catacomb happened.

>>175462198
Does this card get played on turn 3? Do people even play this card?
Fuck off.

>>175462198
I'm a Aggrofag and I think they're morons. Aggro will always have followers on board against ramp + evolve turn is easy removal for Rahab.

>>175461980
I agree that it's good for tempo but that doesn't really do much for you with the options now available to any and all opponents, a 4/5 that's probably already damaged on turn 5 isn't hard to remove, especially against the current meta.
This card is nowhere near as good as the rest of the cancer in this expansion like people make it out to be. Not just because sword is in the shitter, but mostly because if you have it in your hand on turn 7+ it does almost nothing. Most of the other cancer can be played off-curve just fine but mage only has one opportune timing

As I said, there's a reason people only run two

>>175462265
So the point is ramp, not the card itself you absolute fucking retard

>waah my opponent did nothing on turn 2 game over man

>>175462171
Man, Haven also makes use of grimmir, so does Shadow and every craft. You guys are trying to much to use Dragon as scapegoat when their deck barely reach to tier 1 right now. If you don't believe play it yourself.

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https://steam.shadowverse.com/news?announce_id=248
>posted 30th of April
What did the Shadowverse team mean by this?

>>175462108
And that's overpowered for a turn 6 do nothing? Death's breath never wins you game on its own, if they're not protecting a big dangerous follower then you may as well skip a turn for you and your opponent because you wasted ressources to put them on board and they wasted ressources to remove them.

>>175462198
What >>175462265 said. Also it's not contributing to OTK or combo so it's shit, as per usual with forestcraft.

>>175462108
4 actually, Death's breath is an extra shadow because it's a spell.

>>175462395
What other 4 drop of Dragon's would stop aggression dead in its tracks? I can't think of anything so well statted as a ward (besides Vist as someone so kindly pointed out). 2 drops have to suicide into it and it has the maximum HP for being on-stat. Don't care about the effect, it's the HP that matters here.
>>175462410
Again, fuck off ESL shitposter

>>175462445
Event

>>175462395
More like
>wah my opponent did nothing on turn 2 then dropped that retarded fucking bitch Sybil and invalidated all the damage from my previous turns with a nice heal and a relatively big body I can't trade into efficiently.

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>>175462410
>dragon reaches 10pp by turn 6
>grimnir (enhance: 10)
>10pp
>(enhance: 10)
>10pp
>(enhance: 10)

>>175461216
You don't play much then.

>>175462469
>Death's breath never wins you game on its own

Death's breath is nearly impossible to deal with as forest or sword, especially when it comes down on curve. The card was fine before catacomb made it a joke to generate the 6 shadows.

>>175462469
Your opponent is also wasting their resources to remove your shit zombie army. You also have Zpmbie Party which costs you exactly 0 Shadows.

>>175462278
It is usually impossible to deal with if you're going first and ramped T2. If not dragon has ways to remove or stall your on-board followers via blazing/grimnir

>>175462395
The card belongs to a ramp class and can thus supremely benefit from its curve and value
>dragonfags are this brain damaged
No surprise

what the fuck are those arguments anyway
"it is not as good as this OP card from other craft"
holy shit cream my balls and call me a faggot, no kidding

>>175462601
I have around 19k monthly score in low-mid masters, never seen it played even a single time. Makes me a bit sad because it's one of the cards I actually wanted to see

>>175462395
Not balancing any Dragon card around ramping is stupid. Rahab should be 5pp.

>>175462535
>ESL shitposter
Discord assblasted shitter's hugbox, ridiculous typo doesn't mean that.

>>175462727
Which would make the card absolutely fucking useless. Goblimount exists.

>>175462613
sword can just cyclone blade

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>>175462683
Typical Dragon diversion tactic, you should've learned by now. It's always "b-but shadow" except now it's also "b-but elf", with some dragons already saying that Aerin is a better Sybil.

>>175462769
epic

>>175462395
What exactly is your argument?
Of course they should balance cards around the main mechanic of the class.

>>175462769
Sword rarely runs cyclone blade these days because it's too situational and usually dead weight

You can thank dragonshitters for that

>>175462727
You would have to up its attack or hp so it's on-stat though, and making it more expensive completely changes its role as the aggression-stopper
>>175462764
This sentence doesn't make sense. Your original post contained 4 grammatical/spelling errors along with generally being wrong. It's beyond obvious who you are.

>>175462613
forest can just wotf

This will be the expansion that killed Shadowverse.

>>175462913
Perhaps that's the point, in that dragon should have less aggression-stopping potential for a class that's supposed to be weak to it, you utter mongoloid

>>175462816
Dude, it isn't Dragon players who started doing that. Just look that retards shitting on damn Rahab. These braindead just want that card removed and get their free wins. Like I said, go play a single game if you want to play alone.

Shadowverse should not have sticky minions
The game is just too tempo based, guaranteed board just makes it too hard to get any tempo swing against shadow
They will always be ahead you in tempo
You are always being beatdown

>>175463025
That's what you get when you're constantly trying to one up the last one in order to sell more packs

>>175463032
Aggro is still heavily favored in the matchup.

>>175463061
I play bloodcraft and shadow doesnt seem that strong

>>175462727
At 5 pp it competes with goblinmount.
>>175462835
You mean making overcosted garbage? Because that's what balancing around ramp means.

>>175463050
Gee I wonder who's behind this post

>>175462385
The problem is, Sword is stuck with this face race gameplan, it has to be hyper aggressive and threaten lethal constantly or else it dies horribly. It's annoying to see people praising Luminous Mage when it didn't change anything to Sword, and it's nothing amazing compared to other ToG cards. Rune got fucked hard in this expansion too, but at least they got some interesting cards with Magic Illusionist, Halo Golem and Mage of Nightfall. Sword got 1 (ONE) good card this expansion (2 if you want to count pepe, but fuck pepe).

>>175463025
They can't fix it now once they've unleashed ramp.
Every half decent dragon card and token poster big neutral lego of the expansion will only make it better. You can't nerf specific cards because EVERYTHING is a problem with ramp and you can't kill ramp because it's their mechanic.

>>175462913
>This sentence doesn't make sense.
Are you shocked or something? I filled it full of buzz words on purpose, circlejerk cancer.

>>175463139
that is cos you killed yourself before shadow could

>>175463032
I'm not defending the card, I'm pointing out that it's made exactly for that you butt licker
>>175463025
Game is at its worst right now, saying something after the garbage that was Dorothy and Aggro last expansion

>>175463032
Right and skipping first two turns to play a ward you first need to pull along with ramp is definitely not weak to aggro.

>>175463117
>aggro favored against dragon
How? They get to outheal my fucking shaggro, and then once they reach T7 it's saha into israfil into grimnir and there's no way to outvalue them at ALL.

>>175463032
No, fuck off, I'll take being tier 1 cancer over going back to being tier 3 meme fodder.

>>175463202
im playing bats i dont fuck with vengeance

Dragon bricks worse than daria what are you guys complaining about

>>175463234
>remove whatever the played with breath is considered skipping a turn
>ramping then playing an unkillable ward is totally fine because you did nothing
Can you guess which craft this poster is heavily invested in?

>>175463025
Nah, it's a game by cygames, it'll live for years and you'll look back on these times fondly.

>>175463241
60%+ winrate shadowscrub complaining about losing to only class that has slight chances against him when he pulls ramp wards heal and removal in perfect order.

>>175463146
? If I am that imaginary guy. So what? You're being worse than that person, stay mad shadownigger.

>>175462665
>>175462727
>>175462835
>all dragon cards must be under-statted because muh ramp
That's not how the game works you morons. The obvious balance issue comes in with how strong the cards that ramp are. Sybil is one of the major reasons ramp is so much better.

>>175462769
>>175462973
>aggro sword running cyclone blade
Oh look a fucking retard

>WotF clearing Death's Breath
Oh look a fucking retard

>>175463389
>shadow aggro 60%+ winrate
l2read SEA trash

>>175463145
It should compete with goblinmount with its nonsensical free secondary effect. Either that or just lower its health or attack. A 1/5 would serve the same purpose without being a blatant free board clear and borderline win condition

Giving dragon heal was a mistake

>>175463389
That would be midrange. Aggro shadow is shit and has no chance unless you happen to chain reapers and catacombs, which is more than you can say about blood for example.

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>>175463241
>it's a fucking shadow baby whining about dragon
How pathetic can you actually get?

>>175463241
Let's say they play a Sibyl and Fervor to heal, that's 6HP, if you're aggro and that's out healing your face damage potential then your deck is awful.

>>175463513
Nah, I'll just wait for the next set and see you idiots complain about something else.

>>175463570
Aggro shadow is not even tier 2, learn to read dumbfuck.

>>175463442
>claims death's breath is difficult to deal with as sword
>give a counter example
>moves the goalpost with "aggro sword blah blah"
Oh look a fucking retard

Okay, I take back what I said about ledger. It's terrifying when they drop it on turn 4, and worse if they drop another on turn 5.
Sucks when going second though.

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>>175463390
So you're admitting you main fotm dragon and are defending it because you're heavily invested in it? That's gold.
I play sword mostly.

>>175463337
Some Shadow Discordfag defending his own cancer ass. This autistic hates not being in the total control of whatever get said in this general.

>>175463590
>>175463570
He's not wrong. Shadow is still really strong against everyone else but the aggro version is garbage versus dragon. You end up with a full board of sticky 1/1s and they end up at 10 pp before you know it

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>>175463513
>rahab
>borderline win con
Now I've seen it all.

>>175463590
Nice theory crafting brah. Tell me how you're going to kill that 6/X favorably while ALSO dealing damage and dealing with SahaIsrafil next turn.

>>175463602
Interesting argument

>>175463648
>55.9% winrate
>"not even tier 2"
I'm not even part of this argument but what the fuck am I reading here?
Are you retards just pulling shit out of your ass now for the sake of defending yourself?

>>175463660
Do you want to see my legos and its 3 Aegis?

Remove all healing from dragon
Problem fixed

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>>175463648
>>175463701
>waah my aggro deck loses to one class
Shadow-fags are literally this shameless

>>175463730
Sibyl usually has to trade into one of my followers, bringing defense down to 2 - 5. I usually have 4 - 5 followers out against ramp usually. It's a easy removal. Also the Dragon player would only have around 13HP after that heal. SahaIsrafil isn't a consistent combo at all. I'll say this though. I think Israfil is a huge BS card, I'm perfectly fine with Rahab and Sibyl.

i have a daily to win 1 private match pls assist
967156177

>>175463715
If it bypasses the enemy's ideal tempo timing and singlehandedly delivers you to ideal PP range, I'd say that qualifies as a borderline wincon
If they have no answer to rahab and you snowball from there, there's nothing for them to do but concede
>but it's okay because I brick with dragon sometimes!

>>175463771
Aggro top. xD

>>175463653
Yeah, why would I talk about the only viable sword deck when talking about sword?

You've obviously never played sword you retard so stop trying to give your worthless shadownigger opinion about what cards people should use.

>>175463848
How do you deflect so hard? The point is that an aggro deck gets outhealed by dragon. It could have been aggro forest or blood for all that matters.

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Shadowbabs start using this guy

>>175463730
What is Orthrus? What is shadow reaper that gets buffed to fucking 20/20 while you're ramming your catackuck charged shit into sybil without losing any face damage? Who cares about saha isra when you just buff 4 skeletos to fucking 3 damage next turn with eachtar?

fervor does too much shit desu

>>175463757
Go on try it. you'll run out of cards by turn 5 and will most likely not even be in range for the Cerb Howl combo, if you even draw it. Shadow aggro has no board floods so a couple of board clears completely wreck it.
Shadow aggro was always a terrible rng "draw well or lose" deck. I've been playing shadow since DE and tried it every single expansion and I absolutely hate it because of that.

>>175463996
>Fervor
>get back 3HP + do nothing
>take 7 damage next turn

>>175463848
What even implied that those posters played or defended shadow, are dragon players actually brain damaged that they can't understand the context of a simple conversation?

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>>175463848
Shadowniggers are the cancer of this general. Another thread, another shadowniggers shitting up a thread with his whining despite being T0. It's no wonder the general is dying, reading those fucks non-stop is tiring.

>>175463771
You're new to this card, aren't ya? B0 opinions doesn't count because everything to you will look harsh and broken. Just lurk more.

@175463965
keep moving those goalposts bro, maybe one day you'll win an argument ;^)

>>175464037
>3hp
>two cards
>ramp
lol

>take 7 damage
>clear board the turn after with sahafil

>>175464037
>fervor+scyther
>get back 3hp+draw 2 cards+ramp one pp
>take 0 damage next turn

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>>175463989
>Who cares about saha isra when you just buff 4 skeletos to fucking 3 damage next turn with eachtar?
Wow ramp doesn't exist and I always have hector in hand with a big board, really made me think thanks

>>175463989
Well if you're playing a game where you get a 20/20 reaper then Dragon is at 10pp on turn 3 and shits Bahazells every single turn.

>>175464019
What do you mean "try it" you stupid nigger, it's my main deck.
> Shadow aggro has no board floods
It has the exact same board flood as midrange below 5pp, being Catacomb Prince.
If you don't win the game by turn 6/7 as aggro you've already lost anyway, it doesn't matter if you don't have the expensive 6pp/7pp flood spells that midrange has. But guess what, you DO win by turn 6 most of the time as aggro shadow.

>>175464127

>take 7 damage
>clear board the turn after with sahafil

>die to phantom howl since you too more than 9 damage in first 5 turns

>>175464110
Retarded dragonbabs need not reply.

>>175464214
that's not even possible

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>>175464094
>dragonfags being this damaged by discussion that criticizes anything about dragon
B-but...but...SHADOWW!

>>175464206
Except you don't, unless you draw absolutely perfectly and are lucky as fuck.

>>175464173
Wow playing cheap shit into catacuck to have a board that survives a full clear is hard.

>>175464214
>implying youll be low health with rahab eating half board before fervor
also
>phantom howl
who tf is talking about shadow you stupid fuck

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>people NOW complains about fervor

>>175464206
that's genuinely fucking wrong though
New shadow aggro lists focus more on sticky 1/1s and don't have the pure face hitting power of last expansion's list which I climbed to Master's with. Even back then turn 6 lethal was extremely rare

>>175464293
oklol
You believe whatever makes you sleep better at night.

>>175464236
I know I'd bait you with that typo. Not every single one here is the same guy.

>>175464373
Dragon didn't used to have as many means of comboing multiple cards and taking advantage of ramping
I don't think fervor itself is really the problem, though

Fervor shouldn't heal and cost 4 pp

>>175464394
There's a reason midrange is better now, otherwise everyone would be getting turn 6 wins.

>>175463975
The only person deflecting here is the shadownigger who is trying to act like it's a travesty that Dragon was the only class given tools to reliably deal with the most oppressive class in the meta.

Here's my tip for you. Play something other than shadow and tell me how fun it is to play blood, forest, sword or rune right now against all the midrange shadow garbage.

>>175464339
Never knew that rahab mere presence kills evolved enemy follower and stops another evo face next turn while you're free to play fervor for whole 3 heal.

>>175464373
Man, I missed all those meme around fervor being a turn 5 do nothing.

>>175464449
It's 5PP draw 2 cards and ramps to your ideal PP. It's never a bad card.

>>175464274
Shadow doesn't criticizes anything but DRAGON.

>>175464468
Replace shadow with dragon, removal with board flood and it's still true.
Both are a problem and both are the solution. All other classes might as well be irrelevant in this shit meta.

>inb4 b-but dragon has m-many counters

>>175464507
>It's never a bad card.
Except I always laugh when it's played on curve when I have a full board + evolves.

>>175464468
I play sword and rune and Dragon is far fucking worse to play against
>>175464507
It used to be a bad play when you are losing on board. Not anymore because you just get closer to all your pseudo clears and more heals

>>175464468
>more deflecting
You're right I'm sorry, Dragon is the hero valiantly fighting back against the Shadow menace and I am a dirty shadowcraft nazi etc etc. Nevermind the 5 other classes.

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>>175464468
>Muh oppression
Funny because dragon is literally forcing entire decks in droves out of ladder because they can't deal with rampdragon adequately
>BUT I'M SO OPPRESSED BY THE ONE DECK THAT CAN DEAL WITH ME

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>>175464449
>dragon didn't used to have as many means of comboing multiple cards and taking advantage of ramping
>>dragon didn't used to have
The only new ramping card is Sibyl which is literally 5 turn drop.

>>175464468
The only person deflecting here is the Dragoncuck who is trying to act like it's a travesty that Shadow was the only class given tools to reliably deal with the most oppressive class in the meta.

Here's my tip for you. Play something other than Dragon and tell me how fun it is to play blood, forest, sword or rune right now against all the ramp/storm garbage.

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I'm done, no more (You)s for the deranged Shadowbab. I think Rahab and Siybl are perfeclty fine, they're not win cons at all, especially against Aggro. I think Israfil should be nerfed but Cygames aren't going to nerf a leggo.

>>175464694
You didn't read the post. You even quoted it and you still didn't read it.

>>175464694
Taking advantage of being ramped, you mongoloid

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Who here ready to get ROACHED after the dragon and shadow nerfs?

>>175464598
Dragon loses to literally everything. Its all or nothing when it comes to ramping.

>>175464468
Here's a tip you dumb dragoncucks, everyone else hates the BOTH OF YOU. I hope Cygames knocks both classes down to t2 and below where they fucking belong.

At least when forest and sword were t1 the threads weren't this insufferable.

>>175464528
>>175464742
Why can it only be some shadow boogeyman that criticizes dragon?
I don't understand this argument

>>175464841
Like I said before, game's at its literal worst from what I can tell

>>175464872
It's the exact same faggot with the same posting style who cries about Dragon every thread. You point out that Dragon is in fact not broken and give examples using Shadow and they lose their shit.

>>175464841
Because nothing was as bad as shadow until now. Dragon is beaten by blood, roach, midrange and aggro sword and even storm haven. It also plays against itself because it bricks.

The funny part is that Israfil can't wipe last words, needs a evolve when played alone and so on.

>>175464935
What the fuck? Both classes are broken beyond repair this expansion and I don't see anyone refuting that specifically

>>175464586
>it's a bad card because X
The same way Cerberus on turn 5 is not going to save your hide when that daria player just puked his hand on the board.

>>175464935
There are multiple people criticizing dragon every thread, across multiple platforms at that
Possibly because it's the second most popular deck on ladder, the most meta-oppressive deck on ladder, and the most tournament-represented deck in the game

It's strange how you call out similar posting styles when the only counter argument, "deflecting to muh shadow boogeyman", is used every single time, as if the only class that can actually deal with dragon is the one that would be complaining about them.

My god, fotm dragonshitters are actually brain damaged holy shit

>>175464827
There's no way dragon loses to control other than maybe aegis.

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>>175464662
>>175464713
>>175464598
My god, this general is literally infested with you brain-damaged pedophiles

You actually believe the class with 60% winrates against 4/7 classes in the meta is not the fucking problem? No wonder this general becomes more trash by the day. The only people posting here are the shit-eaters bandwagoning whatever is the most overpowered class.

Of course all you retards will do is just deflect and act like statistics like these don't matter because they don't fit your narrative.

>>175465068
Ramp Dragon bricks often, T2 Orb into T3 Rahab isn't a win con. Dragon healing for 6HP isn't a win con.

>>175464935
>give some subjective vague arguments
>immediately deflect to shadow
>w-why are p-people mad

>>175464935
Does the same faggot whisper nasty things in your ear when you go to bed?

>>175464468
Here's my tip for you. Play something other than Dragon and tell me how fun it is to play blood, forest, sword or rune right now against all the Dragon ramp garbage.

>>175465185
Literally none of this changes any of what I said. I could list out platitudes and bad situations for Shadow as well and it would still be brokenly strong. Both are retarded, now give up

>>175465019
Bunch of fucking excuses. I also need a perfect hand to deal with Dragon otherwise they start dropping their overstatted shit and healing everything.

The only way they lose is if they draw all their high cost stuff at the start.

>>175465165
Again, posting shadow winrates when it's dragon that's being criticized...
Hmmm...

>>175464872
Usually it's a few newfags impressed about their first exposure to Dragon, aside for another guy.

>>175464748
>>175464761
Like >>175464586 said. How is fervor and excessive ramping gonna save you when you have health under 10 and board full of evolved shit.

>>175465326
huur catacomb a full board into reaper into hector so hard durr

>>175465193
The point is every thread you see the same
>T2 orb
>T3 Rahab
>T4 Sibyl
>holy shit why is dragon so broken!?
When that isn't a broken play at all. People use Shadow as an example of what is a broken play this meta, then the thread goes to shit. Well it already was shit with all the spam crying about Dragon before the arguments even begin.

>>175465165
>Of course all you retards will do is just deflect and act like statistics like these don't matter because they don't fit your narrative.
Now this is the absolute definition of hypocrisy

>>175465420
>When that isn't a broken play at all
I'm sorry

>>175465160
It is not uncommon but you're right. I'm most talking about aggro and OTK combos.

>>175465420
>t4 Sibyl
You can't even falseflag properly
Dragon is still fucking broken

This thread is fun

>>175464841
t. Dariashitter that spent all vials on daria deck
All classes except rune are good enough to play in current meta. They are not the best but you still can climb master points with storm/aegis haven, wolfbolt/tempo forest, vengeance blood and midrange sword pretty easily. Even fucking burn rune is viable. As long as you're not an inadequate shitter or bandwagon faggot that only plays t1 decks but haven't got enough vials for shadow deck yet you can play any class you want in this meta.

>>175465420
And it's not broken BECAUSE? Because you say so?

>>175465271
>>175465330
I actually have a chance against Dragon as Forest and Blood. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative of constantly deflecting to dragon.

Literally the only reason I came into this conversation is because an AGGRO SHADOW player was whining about Dragon. How fucking pathetic can you be?

>>175465420
>When that isn't a broken play at all.
>People use Shadow as an example of what is a broken play this meta,
Ok, but if the strongest craft is having problems with this combo, then how the fuck is any other craft supposed to go against it?

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>>175464468
This is shadownigger general, your preaching is useless.

STOP CRITICIZING DRAGON
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
YOU CAN ONLY PAY ATTENTION TO SHADOW, ----ONLY--- SHADOW MATTERS
JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY OKAY

>dragon loses to roach
my favorite meme

>>175465534
>those 2 madmen playing Rune

>>175465534
This has ALWAYS been a Shadow general. Literally in every single strawpoll survey that we had during RoB Shadow was the most picked craft, always.

>>175465517
You can't be serious.

>>175465528
>AGGRO SHADOW
What was that about deflection? I thought we were talking about dragon here
Hmm...

*flings shit*

>>175465534
Damn, all those other classes combined can't possibly be complaining about dragon as well, r-right. ONLY that one other class that actually has a chance against dragon is complaining.
How does your mind even work?

Dragon players don't complain about shadow because they lose to it a lot like other classes, they complain about it to divert attention from them being broken as well and to negate criticism towards them even when they do reasonably well against shadow.

>>175465534
nice early poll statistics
http://www.strawpoll.me/12852646/r

>dragon in the last place
so this is the underdog effect huh

>>175465652
I am completely serious, you ineducable scrub.

>>175465578
Kys Blood absolutely destroy Dragon but Shadow don't complain about them. Shadowbabs are like inserted into a safe zone right now where their only bad matchup ever are mirrors against themselves.

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>criticize something about shadow, like eachtar
>people generally agree on the consensus that it's bullshit, nobody tries to defend it

>try to criticize anything about dragon, something as simple as rahab
>HOW FUCKING DARE YOU, DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW OPPRESSED I AM BY SHADOW I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SHADOWNIGGERS IT'S JUST SHADOW SHADOW SHADOW

What mental disability is this?

>>175465768
Over half the ladder in Master's is Dragon/Shadow and every single game I play with a non meta deck is absolute fucking suffering because I can't keep up with Dragon's heals or Shadow's board

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You guys are a bunch of faggots. Can we just go back to posting tits?

>>175465765
Unga first and Shadow Second
Still braindead general

>>175465892
dragonfags have become the new jews

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Name 5 decks that counters Dragon.
Name 5 decks that counters Shadow.

>>175465892
Is Rahab bullshit? Is 2/5 on T3 broken? Is it an actual win con?

>>175465973
Holocaust haven counters shadow
? counters dragon

>>175465691
Tell me why you think Dragon should auto-lose to aggro shadow you manchild? Your entire initial post was the most pathetic whining I have ever seen written in this thread.

Kys blood does just fine at killing dragon, Forest as well. Aggro shadow is even stronger than those decks and you think Dragon is the problem in this equation? The problem is you my friend. Even sadder that you can't beat Dragon with the best class in the game.

>>175465973
5 midrange Shadow decks.
5 Ramp/Storm Dragon decks.

>>175465892
I'm an aggro main, and there's nothing wrong with Rahab. Sibyl and Zell are problematic cards but Rahab is fine.

>>175465973
Grammar, that counters your ESLfaggotry.

>>175466005
It's none of those things but it's really oppressive

>>175465838
Kys/vengeance blood isn't very highly represented unlike dragon which is 50% of the ladder

If anyone would be criticizing dragon it would be the droves of crafts that are oppressed and driven out of ladder by it on a regular basis, not the one craft that can actually fight back and compete with it. It's baffling to me, honestly

>>175465892
Rahab isn't a broken card, that were the every player's consensus. Deal with it now.

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>>175465892
>people generally agree on the consensus that it's bullshit, nobody tries to defend it
Wrong. Shadow niggers defend their shit all the time, don't try to pretend it is otherwise.
Just read the fucking previous thread for instance, where one shadowbab went onto saying that Shadow was the only thing holding dragon back and shouldn't be nerfed, because then dragon would dominate.
Most of the time shadowbabs don't bother arguing though, they just call you a crybabby, an X rank, and act all smug while doing so.

>>175466112
Is it really? Let's say next turn you get to evolve, you have 2 - 3 followers down already and get to play one and evolve it, keep in mind you've already done face damage to Dragon at this point too.

>>175466161
Shadowniggers are subhuman garbage, more news at 11.

>>175465906
>OH WOW WHOLE LADDER IS BANDWAGONING TO GET THE BEST WINRATE POSSIBLE PROBABLY MEANS OTHER DECKS CAN'T WIN AT ALL AND ARE NOT VIABLE
Right? What do you mean "non meta"? Some shit you got out of your ass? Decks I listed are completely capable to compete and as long as you're not misplaying you can maintain over 60% winrate against bandwagoners. If you're a fucking shitter that barely can play then any non t1 deck will be unplayable for you and that seem to be the case for most shitters here that can't get vials for shadow deck.

>>175466061
I never said that it should nor did I imply it, jesus christ calm down and re-evaluate your own posts for a moment or two

You are so utterly threatened by your video game deck that you're invested in, simmer down and read for a moment.

>>175465892
>people generally agree on the consensus that it's bullshit, nobody tries to defend it
Who mean the consensus "it uses Shadow therefore it's balanced"?

>>175466161
But shadow IS the only thing holding dragon back. Should it be nerfed? Absolutely, but only if Dragon is nerfed similarly or you've achieved nothing.

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>people autistically arguing over which craft is more broken
>people autistically "maining" a craft

>>175466161
and most of the time dragonbabs just deflect criticism and use shitty logical fallacies like you are doing right now

I don't know which one is worse

>>175466118
I honestly don't know how you people somehow know that everyone complaining about dragon is a shadow player. I play sword rune haven and shadow and both dragon and shadow are complete fucking bullshit right now.
>>175466202
Regular 4 drop evos go to 4 attack meaning you will generally have to suicide another follower into it which is more value than most 4 drop wards will provide.
>>175466212
I play mid sword, storm haven, and burn rite, and they're all garbage compared to dragon/shadow. What's your master score?

>>175466161
Shadow holding back dragon isn't mutually exclusive with it being overpowered. And he's right in a way, if it weren't holding dragon back, dragon would be literally the only deck to be played, because shadow is the only reasonable deck that can beat it.

The problem with Shadow is Catacomb/Hector.
The problem with Dragon is ramp.

Which one is easier to fix without completely neutering the craft?

>>175466118
The bad thing here is that Dragon didn't affect the meta in any way after all, aggro did just as usual. If it wasn't for aggros dshift, Roach, Snek and even Aegis would reign as for normal.

>>175466291
>but only if Dragon is nerfed
I main Blood and I'll feel so sorry for Dragon if it's nerfed at all. It will be sub 40% against Blood/Aggro if Rahab or Sibyl take a hit.

>>175466293
>you autistically making this same post with this same reaction image again

>>175466432
i'll keep posting it till /svg/ stops being retarded, which is never

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>>175466291
IF one is nerfed, then we can just tech against the last remaining one and bully it out of existence.
The present problem of tech against shadow and lose to dragon, and tech against dragon and lose to shadow, would be finally eliminated if one is nerfed.
>>175466308
Dragon is cancer nor am I dragonfag
I'm just saying that shadowfags are just as cancerous in these generals as dragonfags, as they call anyone who criticizes their shit a crybabby or a dragonfag (like you are doing now).
Kill yourself, shadownigger.

>>175466291
Explain to me how shadow is holding dragon back when I'd rather play against Dragon over Shadow with every class in the game aside from maybe non-storm Haven.

Do you honestly believe Dragon is the strongest class right now? I can't believe anyone is that fucking stupid, but if you are then you must be the most delusional shadownigger I've ever seen.

>>175466581
>bully it out of existence
yeah that worked for albertcraft and daria right

Remember at TOG launch when people thought snek bloodcraft was overpowered

>>175466291
Literally any fast aggro deck can beat dragon, and holds them back better than midrange shadow.
Except midrange shadow is killing those aggro decks.

>>175466427
Rahab won't get nerfed. /svg/ is mad at any card that stops their curve and forces them to play differently.

>>175466591
shadow "holding back" dragon is a meme
The only thing this could possibly refer to is shadow reducing Dragon's overall winrate
Of course taking out Dragon's winrate versus both their worst matchup and the most popular class doesn't make sense from a statistics standpoint, but Dragon still has 50-60% winrates against every other class and is undeniably the second strongest class in the game at the moment

>>175466427
>It will be sub 40% against Blood/Aggro if Rahab or Sibyl take a hit.
Which will never happen because Cygames will do their best to only nerf silver cards as to not give too much dust to everyone.

At least you can nerf Catacomb into unplayability if you want to fix Shadow, or even Zombie Party since it's a mere bronze, but no single, low-rarity card can be targeted in the case of Dragon.

>>175466404
Roach/Bolt/Wander? Dshift? Kys Blood? Azazel OTK? Albert? Dragon is a late game thing as well as a gamble, every good early curve in existence stop them just as it does to Dshift or stall decks in general.

>>175466684
Seraph was bullied out of existence, because everyone who was control teched in Odin and it already lost to every aggro/fast deck and dshift,, so no one ran seraph eventually.
That is the treatment Dragon needs.

Nobody said all crafts were ever going to be equally good every expansion
That is just something you call came up on your own

>>175466852
So all we have to do is run that one card that stops dragon from ramping and playing broken ass followers on turn 6 then. Gotcha.

>>175466591
Shadow keeps dragon from being too greedy by being one of the only two decks that can apply enough pressure to punish it.
If shadow couldn't apply that pressure, dragon would be relatively uncontested and could get away with being the only tier 1 deck in the game.

>>175466591
>holding back immideately implies that the thing it's holding back is the strongest
Dragon is also holding back shadow, but that doesn't mean the same thing to you does it. Are you that one autist who always complains about the order in which Dragon/Shadow are written when saying that they are both broken?

>>175466862
the difference in strength between the classes is a huge fucking gap this expansion. Dorothy and OTK roach were some of the worst shit we saw so far but this is somehow even worse. Game is not healthy at all

>>175466741
I know, people just don't get that Dragon actually does have numerous weakness against multiple crafts. This isn't the case with Shadow.

>>175467035
pfft
as if cygames cares

>>175466852
Huh? Seraph didn't get bullied out of existence in RoB, I played it for the entirety of RoB with a more than positive winrate. The only ones who ran Odin were CBlood (which was rather rare) and SahaLuci Dragon which was even rarer. Aggro has never been a problem for Seraph, literally your entire 1-6pp drops except the countdown reduction are boardclear tools.
What bullied Seraph out of Ladder in ToG is Dragonblast. With Dragon being such a big chunk of the decks played in masters, it's close to impossible to play Seraph anymore since about 1/4th of your games will be an autoloss due to being against Dragon.

>>175466957
>shadow is the only aggressive deck in the game
Blood, sword also stop dragon from being greedy

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>>175467069
Yeah, that's the worrying part, isn't it.

>>175466805
Fuck, what can Dragon do against turn 5 Daria anyway? Most decks couldn't back in the day. That's Shadow which's holding back the other decks if anything.

>>175467038
It has too few weaknesses versus non-shadow crafts, thus oppressing and shaping the meta accordingly. That's the entire point of this discussion

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Protect shadow reaper!

>>175466161
>one shadowbab went onto saying
wew lad, all dem chaddoes
> they just call you a crybabby, an X rank, and act all smug while doing so.
Literally every other dominant craft before and after that. Shouldn't you be used to it by now? Smells like trolling or newfaggotry.

>>175467162
Salamander breath kills Dorothy/witchette/craigs but leaves Oglers alive. This would be an issue for dragon if they weren't healing up every turn this expansion, and no one plays Dorothy anymore because they realized that its inconsistency causes aneurysms

>>175467162
Literally salamander breath. Also by turn 5 they already had 7pp for sahaluci even back in RoB which is why it was favorable against Dorothy. It's even worse now.

>>175467038
It's hard to talk about Dragon's weaknesses without getting accused of defending the craft. But yeah, there are multiple decks that can ruin Dragon's life, unlike Shadow right now.

>>175467302
GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT

>>175466581
yeah let's just forget instances in the last five or so threads where people calmly discussed the best way to deal with shadow, mentioning every potential "problem cards" like orthrus, zombie party, eachtar and of course catacomb, and possible nerfs.

every time you try to criticize dragon you get zero arguments back and made-up fantasy land scenarios where /svg/ is 90% shadowbabs who somehow care about dragon despite people here claiming that shadow is t0 and thus superior (it is), just kill yourself you mongoloid.

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>>175467302
Protect each other!

>>175467232
If Shadow is nerfed people will move onto Dragon and other classes, other classes already have decks published that tech against Dragon. There will be less Dragon players eventually because the winrate will drop and places like shadowlog will publish figures showing that.

>>175467397
Daria is just a bad deck after all.

>>175467435
They have excellent winrates versus every class right now, the only other class I can see posing a legitimate problem is Vengeance Blood because of how much damage it can shit out.

>>175467560
And by every class, I meant every class but Shadow if that wasn't obvious as fuck

>>175467110
Vengeance blood exists and is good against it for sure, but is too generally unrepresented to say for sure. It's only of the only aggressive decks that can also keep dragon in check, I'd say it serves a similar purpose to shadow.

Sword is garbage and dying off by the day due to its complete inability to deal with shadow and generally poor ability to deal with dragon. Something aiming to end the game when dragon's already beefed up doesn't do well.

>>175467302
Looks like the perfect time for a Grimnir.

>>175467513
How the fuck does one ''tech'' against dragon?

what's the t2 meta?

>>175467446
Dragon is more easily fixed than shadow though, just take away all their retarded healing and they can't play the jew game anymore.

>>175467639
Umm ummmm SHUT UP SHADOWBAB

>>175467639
OK tech is maybe a bad word but see >>175466805, they are all strong against ramp Dragon.

>been doing daily's for two hours now because my luck simply doesn't exist

10 game loss streak with aggro decks

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>>175467639
It's a meme. You can't tech against a deck that only loses to early aggression (unless you are already playing aggro) and ramps to 10 during midgame and then has multiple answers to your board and Zell finishers.

>>175467513
>just nerf my biggest counter please!
Who could ever be behind this post? It's not like decks already tech as much anti-dragon as they can afford without being vulnerable to other aggro decks you transparent fotm dragontard
Dragon oppresses those decks precisely because they can't "just tech against it"

>>175467560
If they nerf Zell, Dragon should have more weaknesses. Any aggressive deck can win against Dragon, but slower decks get Stormed for 10+ damage and can't recover. For example, Aegis should be a counter to Dragon, but that's not the case because of Zell.

>>175467446
Dragon players just can't even consider that some of their shit is broken and can easily use arguments like "it ramp so I do nothing" and "it's a neutral card, everyone can use it" and of course their favorite "but that perfect scenario against that one class happens 100% of the time so it's fine".

>>175467639
J-Just play aggro
Ignore the fact that aggro is literally the only thing that can beat dragon.

>>175467832
Agreed.
>>175467692
Albert is not even close to being good against dragon, he's actually a really fucking awkward card in the matchup that usually ends up getting evolved to clear Sibyl or some shit. Turn 9 is way, way too late a win condition for that matchup.

>>175467639
hey shut the fuck up shadow faggot!

>>175467639
Haven can tech in Acolyte light and similar cards to deal with Ouro, add six gorrilion wards to protect you from balanced 13 damage combo and stall for Aegis + Tos.

>>175467662
>all their healing
So that's a lot of shit to nerf. Also you can't really nerf ramp which is the biggest problem effecrively without completely raoing the class. Allso non totg cards will NEVER be nerfed so that train has passed.

>>175467831
I don't play Shadow or Dragon, just Blood.
>>175467874
see >>175466805
half of those aren't aggro

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what the fuck is going on in this thread

>>175467394
The hint here's that dragon is also inconsistent, which is funny since it would be a battle of whoever curves of better early. If both go bad, Dragon get the advantage though.

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>>175468096
People wanted faster general.

>>175467639
Sword can also tech in 3 Tsubaki, 3 Fangblade 3 Giant Slayer to take down all their retarded shit and murder them

>>175467662
that requires nerfing legendaries, which is never happening unless cygames is feeling extra generous, I doubt they're ever nerfing cards from previous expansions either since they weren't a problem before

>>175467636
Turn 9.

Can somebody post a fun JO deck for me?

>>175468010
Albert spam is no joke, it can end you harder than Ancient Elf do.

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>try to play Pepe deck
>get shit on by aggro/zoodecks
>try to play Aegis deck
>get shit on by Seraph

Shadow and Dragon players are all equally fags.

>>175468096
Civil war, basically.

>>175468096
Reasonable people know that both Shadow and Dragon are broken, perhaps not equally so, but both very unfair in different ways.
Lots of falseflagging, bait, and bad advice makes the thread sound stupid but we're working on solutions
>>175468191
The worst thing about Tsubaki is that if you get to use her it's almost guaranteed Grimnir next turn. Fangblade I haven't tried yet though
>>175468315
I have tried, maybe i'm too conservative with my evolutions, but a lot of the time I still can't outpace them or I don't draw enough of him.

>>175468209
>>175468026
Well I was talking about an ideal scenario, or how I would do it.
Too bad that Cygames have a braindead balancing policy that no sane company who cares about the game would use.
There is absolutely no real logical reason why Legendaries or past cards cannot be touched for nerfs or balancing, they are just being jewish.

>>175468259
Shhh not now, we're busy shitting on each other.

>>175455072
You can rose gardener the opponents stuff too

>>175460183
What? How?

>>175468459
They'll just print some other broken shit next expansion to the point where it would make current ragon and shadow decks look like your average dirt deck in effectiveness.

>>175468318
>trying to have fun
lmao you fucked up

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>>175466769
Here's a comparison between midrange sword at the end of RoB and Dragon now. There is literally nothing crazy here except its winrate against Rune. But that is irrelevant because Rune is so bad right now that 4/7 classes in game have a 60% winrate against it. Haven as well loses to both Blood and Forest harder than it loses to Dragon.

if we look here >>175465165
We see that shadow is on a whole other level. It has insanely high winrates against classes that arguably aren't that bad right now. Midrange shadow destroys aggro decks, midrange decks, and control decks alike. It has no weakness. When I build decks with certain things like D-shift, Forest, Sword, I don't even bother teching against shadow (because I can't) but you can definitely tech against Dragon because it's biggest weakness is ample single target removal and highly aggressive decks.

If shadow wasn't anywhere near as strong as it is, we would easily see the rise of playrates in Forest, Blood, and Sword. Rune and Haven are just fucked this expansion and their problems lie far beyond Dragon.

>>175466957
There are plenty of aggro decks that "punish" dragon so this post is meaningless. There's no issue with having a t1 deck, it's going to fucking happen, it's just how card games work. The problem is the strength of one of the decks is so far above and beyond all others that it's literally a joke right now. If only shadow was nerfed, I can guarantee you we would see much more forest, blood and sword everywhere. All three of those classes do alright against Dragon, but the only reason they don't see play is because they get completely destroyed by shadow.

please concede:
78238

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>>175468318
>Aegis
Stop hitting yourself.

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tl;dr
>nerf shadow
>other classes see more play
>they already have counters to dragon
>dragons winrate/playrate drops
>shadow players worry less about having to face dragon

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>>175467792

https://twitter.com/otaku_sv/status/852132593420034049

Explain this then

>>175468315
Even if you get all of your alberts and spam them on curve, committing an evo point for only 5 face damage isn't nearly enough to keep up with dragon healing and removal considering it's only turn 5 onward. Among a number of other decks, it's just too late in the game to have an impact when dragon has already done everything needed to heal back and dominate

Conversely, shadow just kills you first

>>175468860
>2 weeks into ToG
Why are you posting a deck where everyone was still testing things out?

>>175468842
>>they already have counters to dragon
hmm

>>175468860
I can't read it
>>175468634
When will you fuckers get it through your head that I'm not defending shadow being broken as shit and that shadow and dragon are broken in different ways

>>175468769
anyone?

>>175468860
>12 Apr 2017
Hmm

>>175468358
You know, this is pretty funny because literally no one benefits from a meta like this except bandwagoners/metawhores. They're the ones who jump from the current high tier deck to the next because all they care about is crushing the ladder. Someone who has a favorite craft just wants to climb the ladder with it because it's the one he has the most fun with (it's also easier to invest more into one craft if you're f2p).

When your craft becomes a target for bandwagoners, you'll get tons of mirror matches, the entirety of the ladder will be trying to tech against you, and everyone will think you're a filthy bandwagoner as well. And if you're not a "mainer", you'll get crushed every time you try to play another deck for dailies/variety's sake. It's just sad times all around.

>>175469006
>>175469201

It took barely a week for new meta to form, you morons, the game is not rocket science. Great excuse though.

>>175469127
Go get yourself a Google Translate or something

>>175469127
The point is that dragon is not uncounterable and is strong in a true T1 deck sense. Only shadow is at the point of being completely and utterly oppressive right now.

When it comes to nerfs dragon deserves a slap on the hand and shadow deserves a fucking sledgehammer.

>>175469502
shadow is the only thing keeping dragon in check
if shadow gets nerfed, dragon will be stronger

>>175469479
>get called out on quoting old statistics
>but the meta was 100% fully formed immediately! please ignore the fact that the data includes the first week which was nonsense!
Quote something recent that actually has relevant data instead of going full damage control because you linked something you barely understand that saw someone post here two weeks ago

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End my life.

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>>175469580
This argument makes no sense and I wish people would stop spamming it. Especially when this argument ALWAYS assumes that ONLY shadow will get nerfed.

>if shadow gets nerfed

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Post good frog deck.

HOW TO T2 IN TOG?

>>175469580
And how this statement explains Shadow's whopping winrate against non-dragon classes?

>>175469580
Dragons winrate could go up, meanwhile the winrates for blood, forest, and sword would skyrocket.

Go look at forests winrate and see how much shadow as a single class is holding it down. I'd definitely feel better playing forest on ladder knowing I wouldn't be facing as many cancerous shadow decks. I literally don't care about dragon because I actually have a fair chance there.

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>>175469815
>good
>frog deck

>>175469836
Save your nerves, they broke T2 balance completely in this one

>>175469367
>started playing a couple of months ago
>tempest drops
>get bored because all matches are either aggro shadow or dragon
>take a break from the game and the generals
>pop in /svg/ today to see what's up
>99% of posts are autistic shitfits over how dragon/shadow are not as bad as the other and totally balanced

r.i.p. guess I'll be back when my waifu Ginger gets some support cards

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>>175469502
But dragon is absolutely oppressive, it's been the sole factor for a lot of decks being pushed out of ladder. I'm not saying shadow isn't either, but to say dragon isn't is absolute nonsense. You can't just somehow tech in a shitload of anti-healing and anti-ramp, dragon isn't that easy to counter. Even shadow is easier to tech-counter than that.

>When it comes to nerfs dragon deserves a slap on the hand and shadow deserves a fucking sledgehammer.
Really makes me wonder what craft you just so happen to main

Crystalia Aerin is the biggest momentum killer I've ever ran into.

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What needs to be done:
Grimnir is deleted from the game
Sybil gives no heal if she ramps
Eachtar's cost raised to 8
Prince Catacomb does not work on skeletons anymore

There, you now have a balanced game. Hire me Cygames.

>>175469502
>When it comes to nerfs dragon deserves a slap on the hand and shadow deserves a fucking sledgehammer.
This exactly. Both deserve the nerf hammer, but one deserves a harder swing.

And if KMR is even slightly worried about the state of the game, he should be screaming at his balance team to come up with a solution.

>>175469836
God Tier:
Dragon, Shadow

Top Tier:
Haven

Alright Tier:
Blood, Sword

Meh Tier:
Forest

Oh shit nigga what are you DOING:
Rune

>>175470068
>if KMR is even slightly worried about the state of the game
LMAO