Etrian Odyssey General

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Starting EOU right now, choose my party.

Also, fuck. EOU4 had tables with all enemy information, skill numbers, damage formulas, etc. Can't find anything about it for EOU.

I never use lolis in any of my teams.

But I respect your right to use them.

>>175280794
Might as well call every EO game a remaster if you're going to pull that card.

Now for real, is anyone asking for EO3U looking for a pre-made story party over just an updated and rebalanced EOIII?

>>175280480
EOu is treated like a red headed step child by dataminers it seems.
Here is the best I can do for you (but it's not really in depth and google translated to boot):
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww51.atwiki.jp%2Fshinsekaiju_maze%2F&sandbox=1

>>175281143
I would like to try both

>>175281074
What do you mean by that?
Just in case, I was referring specifically to FRLG, HGSS and ORAS

>>175281293
I actually forgot that FR/LG was a 10+ year old game.

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>>175281143
Both

>>175281150
Thanks, I found that one, though it seems it's not data mined but instead hand-tested.

By the way, a question about EOU, does armor/weapon speed modifiers work the same way as previous games? I.e boots giving 4 speed, shield giving -1, etc.

>>175281518
Afaik yes - characters with boots are noticably faster than thosewithout them. But that's also only hand tested.

Btw. Armor got even weaker than it was in EOIV - it now does nothing at all against TEC damage (or it does such engligable amount that random damage eats the difference).

Infliction rate also got a rather big change - for whatever reason TEC is now more important than LUC (and all infliction classes get some TEC gear to compensate, even Dark Hunter).
(In EO2U it's finally LUC exclusive and TEC gets a bit less bloated...)

>>175280221
"thoughtful" is pretty much as hard as turn based games can get without becoming completely unfair.
It's not like you need twitch reflexes or muscle memory since you have always as much time as you want to make your next move.

>>175281143
I'm actually interested in the story advancement they make.
Both Untolds set up some interesting new technology that got used as safeguards or in tandem with the trees.
Even in EOIV it was mostly just "World is dead? Plant tree." even if there were some complications that needed the insect.
But in the Untolds complications were expected and they prepared accordingly. Together with the Armoroad Yggdrasil Tree being sentient that could make for some interesting lore.

>airship in IV is shit
>sailing in III is acceptable though
Please help me understand.

>>175284789
It's acceptable because it's not forced.

>>175284789
A shame you seemed an honest man

I like Etrian Odyssey (世界樹の迷宮, Sekaiju no Meikyū) video game series.

>>175284789
Whats wrong with the airship?

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>>175285340

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>Therica A
>removes Bindings

>Therica B
>removes Ailments

Why is this allowed?

>>175285340
A dangerous opinion to have on here, friend.

Borderline obsessive love or bust.

>>175285735
Because it's alpha and beta, not A and B.

>>175286258
Those still represent sounds.

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>>175285340

>>175280763
*your duty

I want to play EOV

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>>175288049
>wants lolis

I prefer adventurers

>>175288062
I want to play EOV in English on my 3DS.

>>175288062
It's shit.

If we don't see a trailer at e3 it'll basically be time to give up all semblance of hope wont it lads?

>>175290061
But before that we have the Japan focussed stream on May 20th.
No EOV announcement then is a given.
But since we will also not get anything about EO3U or EOVI we will finally know that the series is dead.
A localisation of EOV would be a wonder at that point.

So get your nooses ready, guys.

>>175288181
My favorite bunch of designs.

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Whoa look at her go!

>>175292867
NENE WATCH OUT THERE'S A MONSTER BEHIND YOU

Is EO in jap manageable like Monster Hunter or nah?

>>175293745
If you memorize every skill and enemy and item it's easy

>>175292867
I really want to play Etrian Odyssey V ;-;

>>175292867
Do I need a japanese 3DS to play EOV without altering my system?

>>175293745
There are ressources out there that translate skills and quest objectives but you will miss a lot of stuff - mostly anything that is going on in terms of story.

While EO games are light on story there are still way more words than in Monster Hunter.

>>175293841
>>175293951

So whats the big deal then? People aren't playing EOV because they don't want to miss out on the story? Just man up and play the game in nip you faggots lmao

>>175293065
Don't worry, there is a log in its way.
If five people are unable to climb a pile of rubble to get further into Gladsheim and instead have to find a magical transportation device a monster surely can not overcome such a blockage.

>>175280241
hello all
just got EoIV after enjoyin the demo.
im very new but have read the Faq/guide basic stuff

i know this game is balanced and all, but should i bring a sniper or rune inmy first/startin party. They both have interesting skill trees. i know there are only 6 classes to choose from at the beginning but i can use any advice on the under/over of sniper v runemaster.

>Arm Bind somehow doesn't stop the Baboon King's party wide nuke

Not like it wants to land for me all fight in the first place.

>>175301349
Aren't party wide phys attacks leg dependent?

>>175302294
I was fishing for arm bind since its main attacks outside of the nuke are arm based.

>>175300141
There are seven classes to choose from.
Fortress, Landsknecht, Nightseeker, Sniper, Runemaster, Medic, Dancer

Anyways - Sniper is useful in the second stratum for leg binds but it's not too bad if you have none for that. Their damage usually is middling and their infliction rate is on the lower side.
They are a middling class.

Runemaster has consistent high damage that can get around high VIT values and they can even make other elemental attackers deal even more damage (Landsknecht Links, one Nightseeker skills, some skills in two of the unlockable classes).
Definitely a very good class.

>>175302787
Pro tip: bind everything
If you aren't playing M in these games you'll get your shit handed to you

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>tfw playing EOV

Im playing untold 2 on a cfw 3ds. Is there a way to update and get dlc stuff like portraits and highlander or am i stuck with vanilla version?

>>175284789
I'll try.

Free exploration but landscapes are empty as fuck. Only puzzles are about movement but in tiny areas.

Sailing, limited exploration, and the whole see is a giant movement puzzle.

>>175304252

caim pls dont murder the potatoes

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>>175288181
I spy kadoshima

>>175304443
>Sailing, limited exploration, and the whole see is a giant movement puzzle.
Not to mention it gives you a bunch of money, optional quests and Limit skills (the equipment is hit and miss).

The caves you unlock in EOIV are not all that optional - if you don't do them you will be severely underleveled whereas sea quests XP are nice to have but not essential.

>>175280480
Here's enemy data at least.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PDFaED7rQCdZjpC6fKFvbRhtRvsI1YAc2Cr9hBI0oQ0/edit

EO4 had all the damage formulas because it just reused EO3's stuff. No one knows how to read EOU's code to find out about that.

>>175280241
Why is fang such a slut

So we're all in agreement that anyone too casual to play EOV in nip shouldn't be allowed to post in this general, correct?

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>>175290061
>he still has hope

>>175308258
What if you play EOV in nip with the exp dlc turned on?

>>175308258
Yeah, I love playing menu simulator with absolutely no idea whats going, there's no atmosphere or setting since what usually sets the tone is incomprehensible to me.

>>175308881
Welcome to the real days of dungeon crawling kid.

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I just want my fucking waifus atlus, is it that hard

>>175303947
>middling
Thank you so much
going with D/L/F first row
R/M SECOND

>>175308413
>No more gays
>No more games
You can only pick one

>>175309982
>bunnies
>waifus

Isn't that just bestiality?

>>175311698
They are not animals though

>switch has no touch screen
eo ded confirmed

>>175312219
It does though?

>>175312219
Do you have a switch m8?

>>175312219
nice lies

>>175313158
>>175313263
I tried to enter my email and shit using the screen and all I got was cheeto paw prints

>>175312219
You know the 2DS XL is coming out, right.

>>175312219
It does though. Also pointers when you're using the dock which obviously means it will get Trauma Center. EO is ded torever.

EO isnt dead stop being so negative i fucking hate you guys fuck

we're gonna get an announcement at e3 or maybe even before then and then im going to laugh at all of you for being such faggots just you wait

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>>175311580
No more games ;-)

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>>175314393
>we're gonna get an announcement at e3 or maybe even before

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We WILL get EO5 in the west.

I BELIEVE

>>175314393
>EO isnt dead stop being so negative i fucking hate you guys fuck
i agree, this general is so fucking whiny it's absurd. it's nothing but shitposters here.

EOU 1 is certainly better than the original. But it makes me realize how much better EO 3 and 4 were in terms of improvements.

EOU still has all these bloated skills who all have 10 skill points despite it not being needed. Look at taunt in EO4, it's only 4 points max, it doesn't need to be more. Provoke in EOU is 10 points max. Line Guard from Hoplite in EO3 functions as both Rear Guard and Front Guard instead of being a 20 points dump for your Tank, etc.

>>175314901
I can't agree more. There's no reason for all the fucking bloat. It's certainly better in Untold because masteries unlock level 1s in skills gradually but I still don't see why a field skill that's only purpose is to see FOEs on the map for a limited time has a max of like 10 SP.

>>175314793
>filename is not "eo2u ronin"

>>175314901
Yeah and EO5 is probably even better than 3 or 4

what did we do to deserve this fate famalams

>>175315308
Not being shitty waifu social link simulator

>>175316178
>EOVI introduces loli dating mechanics

Be honest, would you really mind all that much?

>>175316524
With Himukais new and improved tastes of creating big brown busty babes I can honestly say I would much rather have my face sat on by a toned brown female monk who wants to laugh at my dick as she gives a harsh handjob too

>>175316524
Yes I would actually be seriously upset by that kind of trash being added to a great series.

>>175316524
Depends on how gutted the rest of the game gets, if it goes waifu or nothing road like FE then it's better to die

>>175316780
Has FE really become that bad? I was thinking of getting into that series.

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>tfw EO3 b24f

>>175317032
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

>>175316938
Won't call it bad really but it's really unimpressive, putting focus on waifus instead of making your AI not fucking retarded is not how you make a game.
>>175317152
Moot is dead, just like EO in the west

>>175317385
Some of the gameplay changes in Fates were actually alright imo like weapon durability being exchanged for more pronounced pros/cons, but the maps are either extremely gimmicky or retardedly basic, they very rarely hit the middle ground of challenging and fun.
Also the AI sucks, but that's haunted the series since forever.

>>175317959
It could at least suck less and not do ebin things like rushing your single unit it thinks is the weakest one even if that unit can singlehandedly murder the whole map

this thread is ded unlike EO in the west

EO x Va-11 hall-a when

any of you faggots play wizardry?

Is the SFC version of 6 a good one to start with?

How is a medic not obligatory in EOU? How do you keep healed otherwise?

>>175322040
It's the same shit as the PC version, just with better graphics and different interface. The translated version is literally the DOS text patched on the ROM. I'd stick to the original because keep your party from 6 to 8.

>>175322625
Thanks.

Also, what is this about the two different versions of 7? Apparently the gold version is worse the the original or something? Is the one on steam the gold version?

>>175322817
I think you get both versions if you buy it on Steam.

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>>175304252
that feel when not playing EOV then Atlus releases a reveal of EMD2 and still not playing EOV

>>175323651
Aiight.

Last thing, you got any general tips you could give me?

>>175324574
Why not just start playing EOV? Are you some kind of pussy faggot my dude?

>>175324682
I don't want to pirate it but at the same time I don't want to buy a japanese 3DS nor do I want to potentially break something just to play one game

unless N3DS has region stuff disabled which'd be nice but a brief google search earlier made me think I can't just import a copy and play it right out the box

also I'd miss out on preorder stuff

I don't understand this grimoire system in EOU1 at all.

>>175324578
For VI?
1: get a Bard and spam lute
2: get a Bard and spam lute
3: the most important, get a Bard and spam lute
You can drop that after a few hours because you'll have access to more spells and leveled up your weapon masteries but getting through the first areas without a Bard is a nightmare. Also savescumming is a necessity, not an option.

>>175322170
Survivalist with efficiency. It's not that great though.

>>175325057
Whenever 'Grimoire chance' pops up there is a chance you will get a grimoire containing skills from either a member of your party or one of the enemies.
It's totally random.

I just beat the first stratum boss in untold 2. Maybe an ailment team isnt the best way of things. I barely killed the fucker, the last hit was the lone hexer on death's door. everyone else was dead.

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>>175327990
Nig ailments and binds make the entire game easier. Just struggle through and your team will grow stronger as the floors come by. I seriously doubt you can survive that easily on the last stratum without any status effects.

>>175328604
maybe my level is too low to proc them reliably. I did it with most of my units under lvl 15

>>175331098
Post your setup

>>175331696
Protector, War Magus, Dark Hunter, Survivalist, Hexer. I won by cycling through the ailments and spamming ailling slice. holy shit is this strong or maybe its cause its my first dps attack I got.

>>175332103
No damage

>>175332103
Ailing slash is hella strong. Your party seems pretty fragile in that it doesn't have a dedicated healer.

>>175332218
>war mag

>>175332410
Scratch that then I'm stupid how the fuck did I miss that when I mentioned ailing slash even

>>175332218
yeah, Im going to try and get a grimore of it on my protector since she's on healing duty with healing line until I get a grimore of that for my hexer. I want a decent goto ailment for random battles I can try and proc that isnt so tp heavy. Are the darkhunter skills all I got?

>>175332103
Trade the Survivalist for a different backrow offense class.

>>175334901
like what? I took him cause he can proc status/binds, can scapegoat the protector, and can deal with backrow fuckers. Drop shot has been helping me alot so far. Gunners seem more like element synergy and I dont wanna get a alchemist on the team. Can Dark Hunter's whip attack from back row without penalty? If so, I can switch the survivalist out and move the dark hunter back for more front row support.

>>175335157
Gunner's your best bet since they deal elemental damage and eventually can do stuff in the front row with Point Blank buffed shots.

Dark Hunters are a strictly front line class so that's fine.

>>175335290
Well I purposely avoided elemental since I wanted to try a status run. Might be a stupid thing to do but im still advancing so I must be doing something right

>>175335963
There's no reason to not have some form of elemental damage in your party because there are enemies that are resistant to all three physical damage types or require you to kill them with fire/ice/volt for their conditional.

>>175336297
Those resistant to physical will easily die from poison.

>>175336370
Not every enemy can be poisoned though.

>>175336370
another question, should I level panic or poison for my hexer? I tend to like panic since I can avoid attacks while dealing decent extra damage but how high does hexer poison damage go to?

>>175336503
Poison Hexer in EO2U isn't that spectacular although it still does decent amount of damage. Still the hexer's only reliable damaging curses are poison and fear so I'd say level poison to atleast a decent level and use grimoires if they feel lackluster.

I maxed my poison hex by the way

>>175322170
Troubadour Echoing Rondo + Rosa's Elderevenge.

When someone recieves a single target heal Echoing Rondo heals everyone besides him for a nice amount (but everyone gets only healed once per turn by Echoing Rondo).
Elderevenge heals you whenever you damage an enemy for a tiny amount.
As long as you have two people deal damage each turn you basically get a Salve per turn for just a buff slot and a food slot (and there is no really good food in EOU anyways).

Anything more is items or Grimoires.

>>175336661
well shit, I remember eo4's poison circle carrying me through the whole game. Didnt need a aoe until the final extra boss.

>>175327990
You need a few levels to get online.
Get your Hexer Curse Mastery and Curb Atk Up with Creeping Curse they can land stuff reliably.

Panic and fear are really strong tools to keep your enemy from doing anything too fancy (or anything at all with fear + any fear skill with at least one point in it).
Binding the right body parts does the same thing while also bringing your Dark Hunter online in terms of damage. Btw. the bind Cuts of War Magus have a pretty big infliction chance even at rank 1 so you have three people that can try to make an enemy fully bound.

I seriously feel if you want to go full ailment RNG rolling you could use a Troubadour instead of a Survivalist (even though it's another character that doesn't attack - unless you have some Survivalist damage Grimoires since Troub AGI is not aweful).
Warrior Song + any Prelude + Frailty Curse means your damage characters will deal about 2.4 times their normal damage.
Throw on Creeping Curse, put an ailment on, fully bind the enemy, see huge numbers fly in.

And get Vemon Curse to deal with random encounter. At rank 20 (try to recycle for high level Grimoires as the game goes on) it can melt almost any random encounter.

>>175280241
I missed you Feng, it's been a while. Don't die like us.

Do damage formulas in EOU work the same way they did in EO3 and 4?

>>175337705
No one knows for sure because no one bothered data mining it (even though there is a lot of work put into EO2U...)
But there is one obvious difference: Armor is no longer relevant for the enemy TEC damage formula. It's all TEC vs. TEC with these skills and nothing else.

>>175338009
I got datamined stuff from enemies and skills from a guy in Discord, might upload tomorrow when I have time.

>>175327694
I think I understand the system mostly.

I just don't get the equipment bonus, is it just a damage boost when using that weapon type? By how much?

>>175338638
It means you can equip said equipment.
A shield for your Medic, a gun for your Ronin - stuff like that is only possible with having the right equipment bonus.
Iirc if you want to use a skill your class doesn't natively have the weapon for you need the skill and the equipment bonus to match up.
In EO2U you will be able to equip what you need as soon as you have any Grimoire skill that requires a certain equipment.

>>175338840
Alright, thanks.

Do the levels of grimoires stack? If I have a level 5 Viper on my Dark Hunter and equip a grimoire with level 3 Viper, does it become level 8?

>>175339386
In EOU they don't, in EO2U they do.
As a consolation many enemy skills in EOU are actually worth using while most are complete trash in EO2U.
Mostly Grimoires in EOU are useful to trade around passives or Charge skills (like the Gunner's Action Boost in story mode) or to get another set of Medic skills for when things go south and you need to get on your feet quick.

Btw. Boost increases the level of the skill you use by 5 (that's actually all it does which is a bit boring compared to Limits, Bursts or Force Boosts) - so you can get level 15 skills that way.
A level 15 Viper ticks for about 750 damage which is nice even against FOEs.

>>175339386
Only masteries as far I know.

>airships areas are slow and empty
>difficulty is low
But why is EOIV still so comfy?
Whenever I feel a little burned out on the series I just fire up EOIV and instantly fall in love with these games all over again.

>>175341394
Do you make a new save

Why is there only one save slot in these games

>>175341394
Because EOIV is the best game in the series and you know it to be true

>>175341513
>EOIV

You meant EOIII right?

>>175341645
No, I think he meant EO2

>>175341429
Starting with EO2U there are more save slots.
But EOIV safe games are not worth keeping anyways since NG+ is shit in IV.
A fresh start is the best.

>>175341645
No I actually meant EO1U sorry i mistyped my original post

>>175341394
Because it was probably your first game. I can't bring myself to replay it because of how boring it is compared to other titles. It doesn't feel comfy either.

>>175341791
youre boring

>>175341791
My first game was EOIII - I got into the series by pirating it.
EOIV still has a special place in my heart. Maybe it's just because it is so distinct from the other games. Especially the Untolds are pretty close to each other with many of the same classes and the RNG-fiesta that is Grimoires.

were grimoires a good addition y/n

>>175342894

As a Blue Mage fag I like the idea, but the execution still leaves a lot to be desired even after fixing shit in 2U.

>>175342894
Their EOU incarnation sucks ass.
Their EO2U incarnation is boring throughout most of the game and way too strong once you start optimizing.

I hope they either die completely or get reduced to a way to get one enemy skill per character.

>>175343037
For a Blue Mage fag EO2U must have been disappointing with how bad all enemy skills got.
EOU had at least some worthwhile offensive ones, EO2U has buffs and petrification skills - all other are useless and/or TP inefficient.

Is there any reason to play the original EO1 and 2 over the Untold versions?

>>175343484
The Untolds changed a huge amount of stuff, so they're not really indicative of the experience.. That said, EO1 and 2 feel very archaic after playing the newer games.

>>175343484
Nostalgia - and all maps and the class balancing is different.
So while you lose a ton of QoL they do offer a different gaming experience.

But playing them "over" the Untolds... in addition to, yes - if you like suffering (or using cheese strats); instead of, no.

>>175341394
>But why is EOIV still so comfy?
Because it was a casual game done right.

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>>175344134
I wouldn't even call it a casual game, it's only casual in comparison to the rest of the series.

I've tried to get plenty of friends into the series with it and it's still proven too much for them.

>>175343052
I wanted to blue mage it up when the game threw grimores at me in u2. I used paralyze bite from the trex FOE and thats it. The rest are horrendously costed. What are some good enemy skills to look out for?

>>175344812
There aren't many, sadly.
Petrification Stare of Cockatrices can be used since Hexer lacks an innate petrification option (with Chained Benefit + Creeping Curse you can even petrify many FOEs semy reliable which is nice for "kill quick" conditionals).
Power Gel and Affection Collar are useful for Survivalist and Gunner as they increase their AGI and thus are a damage bonus that gets around diminishing returns.
Draconic Fury is a 150% damage buff and thus stronger than class skills.
Charge is, well, a Charge skill for classes that don't have their own and despite it's description increases all damage not just physical.

Besides this there isn't much - damage skills are overpriced, infliction skills have low rates, buffs/debuffs are below what class skills offer.

>>175345569
Damn, why didnt they make a new blue magic class for the remake. Hunting FOEs for skills would be great

>>175346241
Milk the bunny

>>175304272
You're stuck with it for being a filthy pirate.

>>175346434
You're saying that in a thread that has EOV's CIA in thy OP

>>175345786
My hope is that Grimoires will become just that in EO3U.
With subclasses you no longer need stones to get access to skills of more than one class.

In EOV there is weapon forging that just increases the general strength of a weapon instead of the wierd semi normal attack modification, semi accessiore forge system of EOIII and EOIV.
Some weapons have innate skills that your character can use by wielding them and those get stronger with the forge level of the weapon.

So put that forging in, give every weapon a Grimoire slot to bind the level of the enemy skill to the weapon level, have Grimoires be a secondary conditional drop instead of an RNG thing and go to town.
Not a dedicated Blue Mage (since I don't think it would work that well with EOs balance and skill trees) but every character can be a bit blue magey.

>>175314041
Just like the Game Boy Micro and the Wii Mini.

What if grimoire stone took up an equipment slot?

>>175346241
Why is she the only one with a tail?

>>175346543
But this time is differnt - this time it is bigger!

>>175346702
There's equipment that come with skills in 4 and 5

>>175346813
It's a butplug

>>175346813
It's a butt plug. Genetta is that kind of bunny girl.

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>>175341394
It's a cute colorful game easy enough that you will see whatever you try to do working but still tough enough to present resistance.
Overworld also expands the scope of your exploration into an adventure while also forcing you to take a break from all the dungeon crawling every now and then without making you stop playing.
Despite some serious flaws in subclassing and skill progression, it's very well put together and everything fits together nicely.

>>175347056
Best kind

>>175346476
If he isn't going to learn how to properly pirate on his own, I'm not gonna tell him how for this game

>run sub-optimal eoiv team - break shark, front medic, no dancer or fort
>go into small orchard
>meet guard telling me how easy that cave is
>kill the fawns
>deer comes into the map, murder in its eyes
>not confident i can take it, pussy out to tharsis and safe
>come back to find a bloody pool of deer-kicked guards

I never knew they actually died if you did not murder the deer instantly - in a pretty gruesome way at that.
EOIV is the most colorful and happy go lucky but between that and you finding Imperial soldiers that are getting eaten from the inside by the Titan's Curse while talking to you it sure doesn't mess around.

Btw I actually died one time against the deer because I forgot it can panic an entire line instead of just a single person like EO2U deer.

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Is it just my impression or do characters grow faster stationed in a fort than in a party of four?

anniversary

e3

never ever

take your bets

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>>175352506
>anniversary
>its a etrian odyssey anime adaptation
>also EMD2 US release date

>>175352506
All on neVer eVer - many opportunities came and went and not even a hint was dropped.
Birthday stream won't even have anything resembling a new proper entry, more crossover shit at best.

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>Ore replenishes overnight

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>>175353516
It's actually just monster poop.

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>>175352051
I'd like to be stationed in a fort, if you know what I mean.

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>>175355289

>>175355289
>stationed
You wouldn't even last ten seconds.

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>>175355289

>>175341394
Because every party comp is usable in IV, it's super easy to make a new team on a whim and dive right into the dungeon. The other games require more planning at the outset, IV can be picked up and dropped without a second thought.

>>175358152
This doesn't quite work since there's no way to level up guys on the bench in 4.
This works much better in 3 and 4.

>>175358152
4 doesn't have combat study so you'll need to feed your benched guys every single point of quest exp and still grind them up a little.

>>175358559
I (and I assume the other anon) was talking about new save files, not using benched units.

>>175358671
If its a new save file then yeah you can use whatever team comp you want but actively switching people up in IV is kind of a pain in the ass so its not like you can just use a Sniper for the sections of IV with Hollows or pierce weak enemies and then bench them again when that's over. More games need Combat Study like in 3.

>>175359017
Combat studies a shit.
The DLC food in 2U (if it weren't DLC) and the bench accesory are better.
Although ideally it would work like in EMD and benched characters would get a high percentage of the exp just because.

>>175352051
Seems like yes
They are supposed to get 100% of exp but i constantly see fort characters being 1 level higher than my actual party so either the exp division is bugged or they actually get more, so always put people in forts, it's not like the game throws money into you and you can build all the forts you want

>>175359017
>but actively switching people up in IV is kind of a pain in the ass
I know that. That's why I didn't suggest doing that.

And on the flip side, even though you can have more leveled characters via Combat Study in III, there's only a handful of classes you actually want to use in the first place. It's handy for a farming team, at least.

>>175351707
>it sure doesn't mess around.
Like anything EO related ever has people dying in horrible ways, even EMD.

>>175358671
Yeah, I meant a new save file.
I'm not too big on using beched units - I like to bring one party all the way from nearly getting killed by rats to destroying quasi immortal beings.
And yes, EOIV let's you just pick up whatever and succeed with it sometimes with a bit of work if you are running really sub-par stuff.
In the Untolds that can be tricky even on standard.

How's EO5, are we still stuck with no news?

I've got a CFW, and I'm thinking of getting it, but I'm unsure if I'll even be able to enjoy it, I wont get jackshit of the skills, and I liked the flavor test every now and then in the game.

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>>175360806
neVer eVer

>>175360863

Maybe I should finish SMT4 then, if I can find that bloody cartridge.

Sorry for going off topic, but how different is SMT4 to SMT 4 Apocalypse? I downloaded it thinking it would be SMT4 + some added on content, but the start implies it's happening halfway into SMT4?

Also no plans for fan patch for EO5?

>>175361086
>fan patch for EO5?
Maybe in 5 years if someone figures out how to repack stuff

>reached the boss but am slightly underleveled
Time to hunt some FOE! FOE! FOE!

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>>175363817

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What kind of opportunity do you need if your stories are "introduce one or more girls, find an excuse for rape to happen"?

>>175366657
she's too leery to be raped

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>>175366828
I want to rape her

>>175366657
But the doujin that page is from is consesual love, no rape in sight.

>>175367940
That happens sometimes and those usually focus on one girl.
The usual Sakaiju no Anone is:
1. introduce a bunch of portraits
2. rape happens

So I'm wondering what kind of oppertunity one could need to introduce a specific portray.
Maybe he thought Comfymaster simply deserves better... good on him, I guess.

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>Start a new game
>at some point suddenly one of the squishier members die
>exp is now uneven
Better just to reset the game at this point

>>175369828
Since you are right at the start that's your best course of action.

In later strata I just let the one behind solo a few first stratum mobs until the XP is about equal.
EOIV is really nice about this since Old Forest Mine has encounters with really low XP so you can get your bars very close together. I still sometimes had uneven level ups with one character needing 4 XP for the next level...

The cleanest method (and the only one available in Untold story modes) is to rest everyone and grind them back up so their bars are completely even.
Of course this hurts more in the DS games where rest is pretty expensive.

>>175368525
Whenever it's time for sleepymaster to be featured, he feels like raping sarashi again.

>>175370449
>resting
You know, I might actually do that. I'm far enough in the game where I don't care about grinding a few levels (lvl 11)

I just started EOU2 classic, and I have to say, this guy is my favourite sidecharacter now

>>175372219
Thanks.

>>175372219
Did you forgot to include a pick?
Or are we supposed to know who "this guy" is just like that?

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>>175372219
forgot pic

>>175361086
Apocalypse's story starts off halfway through SMT4's Neutral Ending. I'd recommend playing through 4 first, playing a few other games cause Apocalypse does reuse some assets from 4 and you don't want to get burned out, then coming back anf playing Apocalypse.

>EOU started hard
>got so easy not even 3 floors in

My party is level 9-10 and I just got to the 4th floor, should I rest to lower my levels?

>>175372452
Yeah. Fucking hero gotham deserve

Guys I'm playing U2 classic, trying to use all classes. Until now I can do something with all of them except trobadour and ronin. How should I use them?

>>175372832
I am playing on Expert btw

>>175372832
Have you reached the first boss? He'll probably kick your ass.

Untold 1 really starts getting hard in about the 3rd stratum and builds exponentially from there. Claret Hollows in that game is imo the hardest dungeon in the series, harder even than EO1's version

>>175373438
No, I just got to the 4th floor I said. However these Beetle shits are wrecking my ass so it's good to know that each floor will get significantly harder.

>>175372832
Relax anon - you are on the first Stratum.
The first stratum in EOU is pretty easy, including Fenrir who got downgraded to be a glorified tutorial for a mechanic you won't even use that often later in the game.

Second stratum gets ever so slightly harder, throwing ailments at you mixed in with hard hitting enemies to take advantage of your weakened party members.

First half third stratum can only be problematic if you have low damage (until the mid-boss the third stratum has) but the second half is ready to kick your ass.
High ice damage so you better have Ice Wall ready. Also high physical damage so better use Line Guard. Since your Protector can't go Ninja you better have the damage to kill one source of damage in encounters that throw both at you.

Fourth Stratum gets a bit easier on a fight-to-fight basis but it's an endurance test so that might explain that. Boss floor is interesting and boss is challanging if you don't grind (since you are missing most of the XP from the story exclusive dungeon at that point).

5th Stratum is where it gets really mean and many random encounters can kill you if you get unlucky.
Post-game you only need to get not lucky for that to happen.

>>175372997
trobadour is essential in many party combos but ronin might be unusable tier

>>175372997
Ronin is unfortunately not really strong. Extreme early game when everyone still uses normal attacks they have quite a punch but as soon as skills get online their tiny TP pool, delay because of Stances and lack of damage increase on their Force Boost makes them average damage dealers with a lot of downsides.

Troubadour needs a good team.
Warrior Song is at most 40% damage increase under diminishing returns (with other damage buffs/defense debuffs) for everyone.
Preludes are at most 40% damage increase without DR for one person. That's right - Preludes ignore the normal diminishing returns that make buff stacking less appealing in EO2U. Btw. the buffs are multiplicative so with both you don't deal 180% damage but 1.4*1.4= 196% damage (with no other modifiers).
Fantasias change resistances so they also ignore DR but how much damage you get depends on how high the resistances were before. But they only work for elemental damage, not with physical (unless you want to use Palms to make physical skills into elemental skills).
Crusade also ignores DR since it's a one turn only effect.

Assuming 100% resistances before Fantasias were used the damage increase a Troubadour offers is 1.4*1.4*1.4*1.5 = 411.6% - if your damage characters used Charge effects and maybe have some other buffs (although DR will skew all results) that means massively big damage which erases even the huge HP pools of bosses very, very fast.

>>175372452
Yeah, he is a true bro.
Too bad you don't see him later on but he belongs in the first stratum where he is (reasonably) safe.

>>175374883
So, forget about ronin and use an elemental based party with trob. Got it.
I guess with DR, princess and them don't work well together

>>175375947
Souvereign and Troubadour tread into each others terretory quite a bit. It's not that one is strictly better than the other but I would not recommend running them both at the same time.
Troubadour want's your parties buff slots to do anything, really.
Sovereign wants your parties buff slots for Order Mastery and Morale Boost in addition to most of her move set being buffs.

Although there are some chees strats making use of Fantasias and Circles (since multiple Circles for the same element stack) - but that is something for if you want to bring bosses from 100 to 0 in a single attack (after some turns of setting up) not a viable party composition.

But I also would not recommend running two healers or Protector and Beast in the same party so it's nothing exclusive to Sovereign and Troubadour.
Overlay happens to buff characters less often, is all.

>>175366657
Maybe he finally wants to draw something that's not rape
Or people have shit taste and don't appreciate both female runemasters
Or maybe he waits until she's finally awake

>>175369828
>take autism pills
>stop caring
wow that was hard

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>>175379337

>>175379885
That's an even worse advice for 7th dragon and its variable exp gain

>>175369828
>play EOIII
>do a lot of sea quests
>cure yourself from uneven experience

Which icon do I use for chopping and which one for taking?

>>175381572
I karate chop my wood and use scissors for the herbs and fruits to not crush them while gathering.

>>175381846
>not using pickaxe to cut fruit stalks precisely

>>175381846
>scissors
>not a pickaxe to get them whole with their roots

>>175382007
>taking roots away
nice way to ruin the point

>>175381572
doors

>>175381572
You use the two tiny sparkles for all of them, EO1 style.

>>175385301
I actually did that in EO4. The floor is sparkling, why wouldn't I use sparkles?

>>175380671
>Not doing the sea quests with a combination of your entire guild on repeat

>>175385406
>big ring is the same as tiny sparkles

>>175385406
I only used the sparkles on the Ice Stakes

>>175385406
Everything is fair game as long as you can use your own maps.
Just don't show them to anyone.

>>175386640
No you should, why deny us such a great reason to laugh at you?

>>175385146
two comfy, sleepy, fluffy, loli runemasters

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Runemasters are for hugging

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>>175389862
*Runemasters are for fucking

>>175390114
fujoshit pls go

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>tfw playing EOV

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>>175390157
....Noh <:3c

>>175390630
nice pretending that you know weebrunes

>>175390929
>implying you need to know weebrunes to play EOV

>>175389862
And occasional headpats?

>>175390630
how do without japanese 3ds

>>175391498
>"text is not important in EO" meme

>>175393853
>what is CFW

>>175394196
Whatever makes you sleep at night my man. All I know is that im sitting here playing EOV getting comfy and you're over there being miserable because you think that you have to know moonrunes to play EOV. lmao kiddo

>>175394520
>/v/ idiot pretending he "plays" the game he doesn't even understand
I can wait for neVer eVer with losers like you entertaining me

>>175394826
sure you can pal lmao

>>175394520
>>175396329
>lmao
Has /eog/ discovered time travel to the early 2000s?

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>月文字読めない

>>175397313
Eve online general has nothing to do with this.

>>175397407
>tsuki something yomenai
Can I play EO5 now?

>>175397773
are you a wizard

>>175398516
0-5 master race

Flying around for ages trying to get the accessoires from Wiglaf and Kirjonen really makes money a non-issue in EOIV.
Usually you can get in money trouble if you spend even a bit carelessly but in Tharsis they just throw money at you.

>>175397982
Not yet

>>175379885
I just started this. Can you give me a run down of the classes? God Hand and Duelist sound fun.

>>175400426
Indeed, if you couldn't decipher "rune".

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>>175397407
>tfw nene will never step on your dick

Daily reminder nenefags are the main reason why neVer eVer

>>175400468
>God Hand and Duelist
literally who

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Rate every Etrian Odyssey you've played on a scale of 1 to 10. Please also note which games you have completed and which you have not.

>>175406123
>completed
this again

>>175406179
Completed in this context means you defeated the main story final boss and saw the credits. Post game is not necessary.

>>175404169
Sound like Seiken Densetsu 3 classes.

>>175406232
Be careful, you'll rile up the autists who only consider 100% the completion

>>175400468
agent is pretty fun on the crit build
the power classes (rune knight and banisher) come later

>>175406123
EO2: 8/10
EO3: 5/10
EO4: 7/10
EOU: 6/10
EO2U: 9/10
EO5: 8/10

>>175400468
Rune Knight is ridiculously broken, do not use one if you want to enjoy the game

>>175407389
one isn't that broken on it's own (for VFD)
having stacks of them in reserve is ridiculous, though

>>175407326
Why is eo3 so high?

>>175407902
Because there's a pirate class.

>protector
>landsknecht
>dark hunter
>medic
>alchemist
Who should I replace with troubadour

>>175408834
Everyone
Go 5 troubadours and doot everything to death

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>>175406123
EO1: 6/10
EO2: 8/10
EO3: 9/10
EO4: 9/10
EOU: 7/10
EO2U: 8/10

EO1 is only that low due to how awful and slow the combat and movement is but thats because I played EO2 first before EO1.
EO3 and 4 has their faults but easily makes up as the best games for the entire franchise.
I have qualms with untold due to the messy grimoire system, especially for untold 1.
>EOV

>>175408834
game?

>>175409218
EO1

>>175409243
daakuhan

>>175406123
EO1: 5/10. Completed post game, although I did abuse Defender + Immunize and I feel dirty.
EO2: 6/10. Completed post game, barely.
EO3: 8/10. Completed to a 100%.
EO4: 3/10. Completed main game and half of the post game. Felt bored and left it there.
EOU: 9/10. Completed to a 100%. Both modes.
EOU2: 8/10. Same as above. Would put it first but the HP inflation was absurd and my favorite class, Ronin, was nearly unusable.
EO5: lol

>>175406123
10/10

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All these waifus and no one still cares about EO, it's unbelievable

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>Party has been blindsided!

>>175412898
That's why i get anti-blindside skill if applicable, fuck this shit, that's what grimoires are best for

When you start an etrian odyssey game, how much time do you spend researching parties, builds, etc.

or do you just go in blind

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I can't believe this general still lives. I'm honestly both surprised and proud.

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>>175413775
Living dead are not exactly living

>>175413775
We're taking it to our graves.

>>175413775
what's this picture from?

>>175406123
1: 7
2: 7
3: 8
4: 8
1U: 8
2U: 9

Can someone post the entire EOV plot in spoilers? I'm going to start playing it now without understanding.

>>175413775
Why would you be surprised that a general for a popular (especially in the west) game is still alive?

>>175414102
we want you to explore thing

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>>175414102
this lays beyond the legends

>>175414324
Clean your 3DS for fucks sake you pig.

>tfw P5 killed EO

How can you not hate Persona? It turned FE into a braindead waifu-fest, made SMT stuck on handhelds for over 15 years and now waifus are being shoehorned into the newer games AND it killed EO foreVer

Why did those games have to be so popular with normies? Aren't normies supposed to hate anime?

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>>175416009
I have nothing but contempt for Persona even though I liked P3 and P4 before. At the same time I've already accepted the fact that EOV localization never.

>>175416009
>made SMT stuck on handhelds for over 15 years
Japan made that, Persona was stuck on handhelds for 8 years.

>>175416009
Because dungeon is torever

>>175418621
cute!

Is stigmata boosted by the hexer's curse mastery?

>>175422454
no

>>175422454
yes

>>175422751
>>175422836
th-thanks

Any reason to take ronin over landsknecht in EO1?

>>175425254
If you like stances and sick deeps then sure. Landy will out dps a ronin in EO1 tho.

>>175425371
>Landy will out dps a ronin in EO1 tho.
Unless you're using chasers, no they fucking don't. I used both on my team.

>>175425371
>>175425492
I've got a chaser land with an alchemist. I just thought ronin might be more fun

>sovereigns can use whips
?

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post yfw EOV gets annonced at e3

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>>175425919

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Holy shit I can't beat Blizzard King on EO2U fuck you and your shitty RNG mirror fuck.

>>175426198
git gud kiddo

>>175426198
Just keep hitting him until he dies man

It's not that hard :/

>>175426891
This ain't monster hunter you fuck

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>>175425876

>>175416009
>Persona made SMT stuck on handhelds
Japan's market shifting towards handhelds did that.

Any tips for EOU1?

Can I beat it the same way I beat Eo3 and 4?

>>175427589
No, you have to think and have a strategy that isn't just >>175426891

>>175427685
Yes spamming Action Boost really does require a lot of strategy.

>>175427867
Every game has absurdly powerful stuff. Your point? Also, it's not available in Classic mode, and in Story it takes quite a lot of investment to not only get it, but to make it work reliably. On top of that it's only one skill.

>>175425876
Seems like the one responsible for EO character roster has a hardon for dominatrix stuff

>The Count btfoes the Imperial Prince
Best main quest giver.

>When you go full retard and forget to check what turn you are on and kill your whole party from reflected damage... 4 times in a row
I'm too dumb for dungeon-crawling. This isn't even a thing going FUCKING CASUAL mode would let me bypass.

>>175409243
Dark Hunter is pretty weak in EO1 since infliction rates are a nightsmare.
Alchemist will fall off eventually which is a problem all mages had before EOIV.

One of the two will be the best.

>>175437382
should I do chase land + alchemist
or allslash land + ronin

>>175413213
On my first run I go in blind - if I get stuck I'll have to reroll.
But starting with EOIII you canr reasonably finish story with any party that kind of looks like it makes sense even if it is not without serious trouble.

>>175413960
EOV 3DS rom with edited text.
Before you get your hopes up: recrypting is not possible as off now which means single digit frame rates in the dungeon and multi second lag whenever a sound file loads.
So a fan translation is far away.

>>175422454
Curse Mastery only works on Curses.

Curb Atk Up, Chained Benefit and Creeping Curse all work on everything, including Stigmata.

What are we expecting from the may 20th stream

What are we hoping for

What are we dreading

>>175426198
Seems like Mirror Shield is not RNG.
It's bound to the Blue Heart but if he has actions queued up that he is forced to do beforehand it will get delayed.

Most important is he will put it in his queue as soon as a Blue Heart is up so before a Heart is up for the first time or if he used Shield once for every Heart that was up already you are safe.

The only routine I can say for sure that takes priority over Mirror Shield is attack - Wail - Ice Breath.
So if he used a normal attack and then summoned his Heart there is a chance he uses Wail instead of Mirror Shield (since afaik not every normal attack means he is locked into this pattern).
If he used Wail last turn he should be forced to use Ice Breath.

So it's safest to wait with your damage until the Shield was used unless he forced himself into Ice Breath via Wail.

>>175438524
Milenom girl 2

>>175437445
Alchemist falls of later in the game because TEC scaling falls behind weapon scaling.
All Slash deals the same amount of damage as the Chasers but Chasers can hit more weaknesses.
But All Slash is also one of the best clears there are so I would really not want to miss it.

Ronin means to have to grind them up from low levels, though.

>>175438524
Hope: anything that shows the series is not dead or at least a proper SMT crossover (set during the apocalypse for example).

Dread: more fucking crossovers that make no sense.
Persona Q 2
EO x Disgaea
EO x Fire Emblem
EO x Hydlide

>>175439474
I would play a etrian disgaea but only if there isnt some item world with random gen maps. Its an easy trap for stale gameplay

>>175439608
I'm pretty sure they would have all the most annoying mechanics in there.
Just look at EMD having gathering and armor crafting but also lets your characters throw away their stuff if they get confused.