Etrian Odyssey General

Remove stick

Best twig edition - I approve.

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>>174970197
>Best twig
no

>thread barely started
>already ded
rip eo, neVer eVer

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>>174971684
We need to find more autists to laugh at.

I'm currently playing through EO U2 with a Ronin, DH, Beast, Hexer, Warmagus party.
I've been playing with the Beast in the frontline and the Magus in the back line, but seeing how I don't do anything but spam Hit Taker on the Beast, would it be smarter to have the Beast in the back row?

>>174971993
>magus in backline
don't
beast can be anywhere but seeing how you have 3 frontline units put it away

>>174971993
You get no benefit from backline beast but you do get them for front row war magus, specially sicne you have a hexer.

>>174971993
War Magus is a frontline character - the healing is secondary (especially since your Hexer can control enemies very reliably) and Ailing Slash is highly valuable.

Your Beast can be anywhere it literally does not matter - even in the backline it will take full damage when it uses Hit-Taker.

(Btw you are low on elemental damage. If you are running expert you might get into trouble with that - especially since Ronin is generally underperforming in EO2U.)

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>fafnir
>transformed
>ailing slash 10
>charged
>sleeping target

>>174972254
>>174972349
>>174972083
So does Hit Taker still take effect in the back line, but the damage just doesn't get reduced? I just take a reduced amount of the damage the original target would take, depending on their row?

Also, on the 10th floor right now, been primarily using the Magus as a healer with Artery, War Response and War Heal, barely leveled anything else but haven't really run into any trouble yet because Venom Curse and Ecstasy seem kind of OP early on.

Got the Peerless Combo on my Ronin as well, but it's kind of Underwhelming in terms of damage output... does that get better later on?

>>174972516
Aren't waves purely TEC-based elemental and thus don't get a boost from sleeping enemies?

>>174972516
Doesn't Fafnir only get a 50% damage bonus in transformation with only STR?
I'm pretty sure a Dark Hunter against a fully bound target runs circles around him with Trance -> Ecstasy 20. Even without sleep the damage would probably be higher.

>>174972625
>>174972643
i hate this general sometimes..

>>174972594
>So does Hit Taker still take effect in the back line, but the damage just doesn't get reduced?
yes you take the same damage whenever you are
>primarily using the Magus as a healer
you'e doing it wrong, ailing slash and vampire are priorities
>does that get better later on?
No ronins got gutted dead after being OP in 2

>>174972594
Ronin damage is always underwhelming for how much Stances hinder them.
But how do you have Peerless Combo on the 10th Floor? Even if you rush for it you need like a million skill points...
Anyways, even with Peerless Combo, all three combo skills and both Peerless Stance and Upper Stance at max Ailing Slash will regularely outperform Peerless Combo.
Not only is it way, way easier to set up (especially with a Hexer in your party) it also ignores resistances to Cut damage...

Can I fight the Overlord in EO2U with just the Princess' elemental circles?

How's gunner in EO2U? I'm stuck between him or a troubadour.

>>174973103
Gunner sucks just like in the original. Ricky is the only OP gunner. FUCK YOU RICKY

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>>174972594
I don't know if the partner's line matter or not, but beast's definitely doesn't. I'd usually say that later on you should consider protection vow but seeing the bulk of your party it probably won't make much of a difference.
War magus using the deadly ailing slash+vampire combination will free up your beast a lot when it comes to protecting the front row though.

Getting peerlesss combo so early is a mistake - and I thought it was an impossibility as well.
Firstly because you spread your points too thin to do any real damage. Secondly becuse peerless stance needs a lot of investment in the other stances (and having them at max helps save turns) while peerless combo is based on the level of swallow strike, moon whatever and ground whatsitsname.
So until you can provide high levels for all those skills, peerless combo is trash. In the meantime, it's better to focus on one or two stances with their respective elemental attacks (which aren't part of peerless combo but more useful than it most of the time).

>>174972752
Well, ailing slash will still love that sleeping target, won't it?

>>174972895
I got it on level 25, even though I put a few points into stuff that's not needed for it... You only need 5 Points in every stance, 1 point in the three attacks of the Peerless Combo, and 3 points in Peerless Stance.

But, yeah, this thread is really making me rethink keeping my Ronin... she was really good early on and the Force Break regularly saved my ass, but now she's just kind of... there. Any ideas on what I should replace her with? I'm thinking Alchemist or Survivalist.

Definitely gonna respec my War Magus though, I spend roughly 20 points on healing skills already, I think I'll be fine with like... just Artery, maybe.

>>174973234
>Level 25 at B10F
w e w

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>>174973103
Gunner is a slightly lesser alchemist. Troubadour is the most broken class in the game.
But what does the rest of your party look like to be torn between such different options? Troub will need elemental users to unleash their full might.

>>174973234
Alchemist is the better option with that party as without ronin your only source of elemental damage is gone. You can still make ronin work but peerless combo is VERY lategame.
Survivalist is a very gimmicky class. You have enough good physical damage dealers, hexer vastly outperforms it for ailments and their unique hazy arrow gimmick is not only lategame it also conflicts heavily with hit-taker.

>>174973505
>But what does the rest of your party look like to be torn between such different options? Troub will need elemental users to unleash their full might.
Ronin, Magus, Beast, Hexer.
I need a source of elemental damage, but don't want to take alchemist. I thought troub's elemental buffs might suffice.

>>174973463
W-what? Is that bad? I didn't intentionally grind at any point, I just did all the quests...

>>174973505
Right, thank you!

>>174973463
It follows the usual "rule" of floor*2+5 to a fault.

>>174974020
>>174974248
I just thought about it and you're right. For some reason I thought he was overleveled.

>>174973073
Circles need something that activate it - so at the very least you would need Shock Oils.
Don't do it unless you love to suffer...

>>174973750
It's eerie how similar your two parties are.
Both would do okay I guess. Ronin and WM can benefit from preludes but only ronin can get anything out of fantasias. On the other hand, gunner might outperform the extra beef the other two get with troub and you get more reliable elemental damage on the side.

>>174974548
It's a very generic EO2 party since everyone wants to use the new classes.

>>174973234
Alchemist will be able to fix both your lack of elemental damage and lack of area damage so they are a really nice fit.

Survivalist has some ailments but Hexer has all of them but Paralysis - and they are way better at landing them.
They also have some damage but they are not worth taking along just for that since it will never be that spectacular.

I'd take Alchemist.

>>174973463
Level 25 is the perfect level to fight the 2nd Stratum boss at.

>>174973750
The Preludes of Troubadour only affect normal attacks.
Since normal attacks are not worth anything after the first stratum (outside of Landsknecht with Double Attack and Fencer both at 20) you really would not make up for your lack of elemental damage.

Ronin can deal some elemental damage but it's still Ronin so the damage is delayed (unless the stance auto-proccs) and costly.

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>>174974415
My game plan was to use Princess' guard order + circles + Hexer's sapping to negate elemental dmg instead of opting for Protector walls. Man why did I ever think this was a good idea. I guess I'll level a prot.

>>174974908
Or you could just get wall grimoires.

>>174973750
If you don't want Alchemist how about a Gunner? Their elemental damage is solid and point Blank can make good use of a Hit-Taker Beast (since it makes ranged attacks melee for one turn).

In fact, with a Gunner this party would be exactly what I used in my first EO2U expert run and it carried me all the way through.

Uh, I'm the noob who put the Magus in the back line, and I have one more question.
I put Curb ATK and Venom Curse to level 10 for my Hexer just because those 600 damage Poison ticks were too tempting to give up, but now I'm not sure what to invest in next. Curse Mastery is on 5 as well.

>>174974908
Guard Order and Sapping Curse don't manipulate resistances.
They will only reduce damage - and with the dimishing returns for buffs not even by that much.

You will probably still take 20% to 30% damage (because Circles don't get DR) which takes the elemental blasts out of overkill territory - but that are a lot of dead skill points in most situations...

>>174975257
>>174975040

Man I butchered my setup a lot. I'm surprised it managed to rough its way out of sticky situations. Guess I'll invest in those wall grims and rest my entire party.

>>174975150
Curb ATK Up increases the chance to inflict stuff, not poison damage.
Curse Mastery also increases the chance to inflict stuff.

The bind Curses can be useful for your Dark Hunter since 3 bind Ecstasy is just obscenely broken.

Strong control Ailments are Madness Curse (the enemy will only be able to do a random attack as long as they are paniced - no skills whatsoever) and Evil Eye (the skills that can be used on feared target prevent them from doing anything to your party).

>>174975431
In the OP of the thread are a lot of Grimoire QRs.
Not sure if the Walls are all there in lower levels but any Wall between level 5 and 9 will completely negate one instance of its element for every party member.
10 or higher is usually not needed since all it does is give you some absorb for way higher TP costs. At of course rank 10 Grimoires are way more expensive to trade for.

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>>174975680
Holy fucking shit that might have just saved my team. Have another gup crossover fanart.

>>174976068
Remember that you need a shield to use the Walls - but any character with a Wall Grimoire will be able to equip shields.
Just don't forget actually buying one.

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>>174975150
Personally I'm biased toward blindness since it's damn good against physical attacks (and with the blindness buff food they will ALWAYS miss). Torpor can give you some crazy numbers with ailing slash but you have to make sure nobody attacks between hexer landing the curse and war magus attacking (which in almost all instances will attack last. They're slow).
Do not get corrupting curse for anything other than conditional drops, curse is trash for players.

As said, dark hunter will love some support with binds.
Panic locks down the enemy quite effectively but you still get hit a lot so I prefer blind.
Fear is more sadistically fun to use. If left alone, it's a lot like paralysis but if you don't mind your hexer not assisting with other ailments and binds for a few turns, conflict word and suicide word will pretty much put the monsters on your side, with shielding word giving you an extra beast.

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What level do I need for the 5th stratum boss in EO4?

Also what level should I go to the 6th stratum?

>>174976554
Level 55 should do just fine.
I usually arrive at the boss a bit overleveled though (between level 56 and 58).

You can visit the 6th Stratum right after finishing the story portion of the game.
The first floor is not that bad and only on the second things get mean.

But I would personally first do all the quests you get at the bar.
Killing the bird is no problem at all and even the dragons are pretty much pushovers in EOIV.

>>174976532
Why just war magus for torpor curse? Dark Hunter can get even crazier numbers with fully bound force boosted ecstasy/rose prison.
Of course anything involving sleep is more fit for a one-attack burst strategy so it isn't as all-pupose as the other ailments.

>>174976884
>only on the second things get mean.
wrong, edges of the map spawn wrath blooms and if you can't one turn them pain awaits

Early in the year Atlus announced two SMT games for the anniversary, one of them for 3DS. Is Deep Strange Journey the 3DS one or is it something else? Because two SMT games in production looks bad for EO, but three of them would just be awful.

>>174977446
The full title of the original was Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey.
So Deep Strange Journey should definitely be a SMT title.

>>174977756
But is it the anniversary 3DS title they promised? If it isn't, it's just an additional SMT project on the side. And since the sub-division of Atlus in charge of SMT is also in charge of EO, the less SMT games the better for us.

Even though our current bottleneck is still Atlus USA's retardedness.

>>174978061
What better thing for an anniversary than a remake?
Also corporate speak basically means that it is one of the two - if they had two brand new games and one remake they would talk about three games instead because it's a bigger number and thus more exciting.
Technicalities and truth come later, PR first - even in Japan.

How is 1 year for a fucking translation justifiable in any way shape or form

>Atlus announces EMD 2
>Atlus announces Persona Q 2
>Atlus announces Persona 5 Arena
>Atlus announces Persona 5 dancing
>Atlus announces SMT Strange Journey remake
>Atlus announces Radiant Historia remake
>Atlus announces SMT for switch

>still no EO5 localization

HAHA JUST

>>174978468
It would be pretty sweet if both SMT and EO were to get 3DS remakes this year.

>>174978665
Alright, assuming that the game doesn't come to the west, how likely would it be that a fan translation project would be done?

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>>174978759
Slim. The fanbase is quite small and there remains the technical hurdle of repacking the game.

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>>174978665
I'm still mad

>>174978910
What do you mean repacking?

>>174978759
Depends if someone finds a way to re-crypt it.
Currently the encryption can be removed and data can be changed so inserting different text is possible.

But unless you recrypt it too much has to be loaded at once and you get single digit framrates in the dungeon and multi-second lag whenever any sort of dialogue loads.

So right now it's unlikely to ever happen.

>>174978947
>あっ
kek
Anyway they're teasing us with that. It's not by chance that EMD2 borrows so heavily from EO3 while completely ignoring EO5 and paying almost no attention to EO4 and Eo1 which already got covered with EMD1.
Believe!

>>174978992
Inside the game's files everything is compressed. How to decompress everything has been figured out, but recompressing it again in exactly the same way is still uncharted territory.

>>174978759
neVer eVer
maybe in 5 years on april 1st

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>>174978740
I wanted to say that it's too late for EO3U to come out this year but I had forgotten it took less than 4 months for EO2U to go from announcement to release. It could technically happen!

>>174981017
Nice futile hope

>>174979274
They only did it so more people would get upset about it not being EO3U and making a ruckus about it on social media.

This way
1. people talk about EMD2
2. people talk passionately about EO making it seem like a franchise that's not dead in the water

>>174976884
Ok, level 60 is enough for 6th stratum?

>>174984840
Easily.
Just keep in mind that the post-game in EOIV has a big difficulty spike.
Whereas most of the game is extremely easy for EO standards the 6th stratum is almost in line with the rest of the series.

>>174984840
no, 6th stratum is always a special case, don't expect to move far as 60

>>174985480
Well, should I do the first floor, then grind to 70 and do the rest?

>>174986042
I had a suboptimal team (no Origin Rune or Accel Drive) and I managed to get through just fine after killing the bird and dragons.
I felt no need to grind whatsoever - sure I needed to use Burst skills and really think about what I did but that's what the post-game is for.

Do all quests, carefully move through the floor and upon reaching the next floor do the quests that one unlocks.

Up until you reach the superboss (also known as the insect) there is absolutely no reason to grind.

Except if you want to make it really easy for yourself - play however you like but it is not "necessary" to get a bunch of levels before continueing on.

>>174986042
You walk around until you are 65-67 then go kill postgame quest shit like dragons or birb. Once you have only fallen one left you go back to halls of darkness and explore it fully, don't even bother with fallen one at this point, it's a far bigger pain in the ass than chemical saviour. Once you're in higher 90s you can finally stand well enough against two remaining bosses, finish everything and call it a game. If you feel autistic enough you can grind a lot to beat chemical-less saviour.

>>174986706
I can see being kind of nervous about the dragons and leveling up for them - but for the bird?
Can he even do anything?

You could use its XP as well as the quest reward to cut down your grinding time - and maybe start farming it for materials in order to give your Sniper or Dancer (if you have any) a good bow.

What annoys me about the series in general is how buff-stacking works.

It wasn't really bad for the first 3 games, but it feels that EO4 has way more buffs, and it's hard to use spotter, fortress guards, runemaster runes and etc without overriding important individual buffs like vanguard and all the rest.

How does overriding buffs works anyway?

>>174989062
>but for the bird? Can he even do anything?
Not really but why waste birds exp when you're already 60+, it's better to do hall for gear, kill dragons and then remove bird

Reminder that the jii.moe skill simulator links in the OP are busted.

>>174990546
Swap it for this one:

http://waifusims.com/EOV/skillSim.html

>>174990203
>spotter, fortress guards
Simple solution: don't.
At least not these buffs.

No class in EOIV has actually problems hitting the enemy. Misses happen so rarely spotter is not worth the skill points, buff slot or turn needed to set it up.
It's not like EOIII where Gladiator and Arbalist would miss regularely unless they enchance their accuracy.

At the same time getting a 25% damage reduction against one damage type is not worth anything.
If you want your Fortress to not tank every few turns use it to set up Rampart and throw out Party Shields afterwards Rampart reduces elemental and physical damage taken by 30% and Party Shield reduces all damage taken by 15% (it's so sad that this reduction is so small...).

Biggest problem for me is that Runemaster Runes are allowed to push out Dancer dances - that is really stupid as it effectively reduces your Dancer to only use two dances at a time (since Runes need to be re-applied so often).

>>174990745
That one is already in the OP.
But having it three times (if you swap both jii.moe links out for it) would be a hilarious showcase of how dead the series is.

What's the worst kind of funtioning party you can create in EOIV?

It needs a defensive support (even if that's only a Break Landy or Guard Tango Dancer), a healer and either 3 damage characters or 2 damage characters and a not completely defensive support.

I want to try to make a run challenging without going for a SCC or solo run.

Any recommendations for my first EOU playthrough? Technically the first one I ever played (I've played part of a touhou clone and I guess the mapping component is kind of like SMT Strange Journey in a way), so I was wondering if story or classic was a better choice for a first go-around.

>>174996068
Don't feel confident enough to build your own party and want to get a grasp of the game's mechanics with a strong party that won't let you down? Play story.

Want to complete the game to a 100%? Play story first, then classic.

Don't mind making mistakes or not being able to get everything? Play classic.

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>>174996597
>mistakes
>being unable to get everything

How to grind fast in EO4? Do I get these QR codes for level 99 characters to fill the party? Something to do with them not being official party members and thus not getting exp, so if you have 4 of them and another character, the exp gets polled all into the other char.

Where do I even get that QR code again?

>>174991330
Spotter is completely necessary for Squall Volley to actually hit.

>>174997009
Some people just like to suffer.
Masochism is almost a normie kink at that point.

>>174997218
Leg binds, panic, blind

And even without any of these you can just fire it and get your four hits for Link activation just fine.

>>174998383
Spotter is reliable, leg bind/panic/blind isn't, specially against bosses.

Some people don't like Linker party due to the brokeness

>>174999139
It's an interesting decision to make - sacrifice a buff slot or rely on binds/ailments.
Are there any other skills with low hitrates in EOIV? I don't think that game has too many of those.

The easiest solution is probably not to bother with Sniper outside of a Linker party.

>>174971857
That's right. Delete trap medic.

Do you guys think a Knecht Solo Run is possible in Untold 1?

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>>174999812

>>175001213
Delet this. Scruffy a best.

>>175000960
There is a Protector solo run and Landsknecht does not have that much lower defenses for way more offenses.

Although I'm not sure if your TP hold out to make use of your offenses.

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>>175001362

Hey, still pretty new to the series just getting into 4 and just defeated the second boss, my current party is L/N/D, M/R , now I've unlocked arcanists, retiring and two of those level 25 scrolls, from what I've read retiring my Medic and making her an Arcanist, then later subbing Medic is a good choice, should I retire anyone else?
I was also thinking of maybe switching the dancer with a fortress, because except curing status she never does much for me.

>>175001867
I would let him heal me.

>>175004252
If you retire both your Medic and your Dancer you will lose most of your active heal until you unlock subclassing.
Arcanist can heal actively but they need a turn to set up a Circle so it's not always available.

It's possible to heal mostly with Bracing Walk until you get subclassing but in preperation you should pack a few extra Medicas.

Also if I'm not mistaken retiring is only available at level 30 even in EOIV. Usually you should be around level 25 to 27 after the second stratum so to actually retire you would still need a few levels.
Maybe waiting until you get subclassing (which is halfway through the 3rd maze) would be a good idea even if it means your new recruits will only be level 25 with the scrolls.
Subclassing is also the point at which Fortress starts to get good since Fan Dance of a Dancer subclass lets them evade many of the hits they pull towards themselves.

Im starting Untold 2, I wanna protector and princess but I really dont know what else to pick. War magus needs a ailment guy, and I dont want to neglect binds so I want a gunner there too. So far Im just confused at how to build a working party. Can some anyone run me through the classes?

>>175005871
If you want binds and ailments just go hexer and you can get a war magus free.

>>175006268
kk, I might go princess, protector, war magus, hexer, dark hunter for maximum status team. The survivalist doesnt seem too useful.

>>175005871
Gunner has sub-par LUC (which is the only stat that matter for binds and ailments in EO2U) so their binding shots are not anywhere near reliable. They are pretty much a pure damage class with Medic Shot for... flavor?
The binding shots are remnants of EOU where Frederica was better at inflicting them while also being the only source of binds in the story party (except for Highlander who had a skill with head bind but not the stats to make it work).

You could stil run a Gunner though but it would be for the Charged Elementals and Burst Shot (ignore the pure physical skills - hitting weaknesses is worth more) which would also Activate Link Order and Link Order II for your Sovereign.

Do you want to pick a War Magus? Because if you do your party is pretty close to being the Story party. It has Protector, Sovereign (aka Princess), War Magus, Survivalist and Fafnir who is among the best elemental damage dealers clearly outclassing the Gunner...

>>175005871
>and I dont want to neglect binds so I want a gunner there too
Who picks gunner specifically for binds?

>>175006810
You are very low on elemental damage but that's actually not that much of an issue.
Dark Hunter will erase anything that does not resist cut damage with Ecstasy and War Magus' Ailing Slash ignores cut resistance and still deals impressive damage.

It's too bad that your Sovereign will not be able to make use of her Link Orders - I think they deal respectable damage and are a good way to clear random encounters.
So unless you want to take out enemies one at a time (which can take a while) getting Venom Curse on your Hexer for clearing stuff might be a good idea.

>>175007019
>>175007035
>>175007573

Is story actually decent? I wanna explore, not waifu war. So want do you recommend the gunner replacement? Since sovereign is more for elemental synergy, I might cut her out for more status stuff but then is war magus enough healing to run through the game?

>>175008117
Story is decent.

>>175008117
It's very basic and kind of lazy. But there are no waifus to warfare over.
Actually, most of the instances of waifufagging in this general come from story mode.

>>175008117
There is no waifu war in story.
There is Arianna, the actual Princess and Chloe, a little girl.
There are a few indications that Arianna is into the main character but it never gets explicit that it is more than a friendship between a noble and her knight.

Characters are overall interesting, especially Bertrand who even looks different from what you would expect someone in a animu party to look like.


War Magus can be your main healer just fine. In fact, WM can heal without even using heal skills.
They have a passive that is called Vampire - it heals everyone in the same line as the WM for a percentage of the damage you deal against a target with an ailment.
It restores 10% of the damage with one point invested, 30% for 10 points and 50% for 10 points and a rank 10 Grimoire (so rank 20 overall).
Since Ailing Slash hits like a truck that is enough to top off your party in many, many situations.
And War Magus even has actual healing skills on top of that should they be needed.

Gunner replacement - well it would be Alchemist if you want to activate Link Order.
But how is your party looking right now?
Is War Magus in or out? Is Sovereign still mandatory?

>>175008117
the healing it's pretty strong and the vampire skill pretty much assures full heals in the line of the war magus so you're good with it

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>>175009935
Damn Arianna.

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>>175010568

>>175011410
(((hook-nosed drunk)))

>>174999764
Swift Stab, Squall Volley, That NS skill and the two multi hit runes have accuracy penalties. Imperials have iffy accuracy for a while because of their low speed too.

>>175011591
So... Cass?

>>175010568
I'm never sure if she is joking or not.
On the one hand the jump in topic is quite far even for Arianna.
On the other hand a joke like that would require more wit than I believe she has (not much wit, mind you - just more than Arianna ever shows).

>>175014464
I think it was a failed attempt at cracking a joke. I mean, you're just saying "me too", she should know what kind of dokidoki the two of you are talking about.
Or maybe it is THAT kind of dokidoki and reciprocity shorted her mind.

>Atlus won't fix any of the classes in V even though its been delayed for so long.

>>175015617
Working as intended.

>>175015617
No one will buff your shitty fencer, deal with it nenefag

>>175015806
>Fencer
That's not my favorite class but whatever you say anon.

>>175016048
Only fencer and reaper actually suck and need work. Fencer was a mistake and no one cares about edgelords so everything is fine

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>>175017237
i care about them...

Nenefags should be lined up and shot. That oughta make the world a better place.

>>175017237
>No one cares about Reapers
How rude

>>175017329
Why so mad?

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>>175017237
I care about those lovely chuunis!
And I wanted tos ee the return of linksknecht.

>>175017329
I wish Atlus had beta testers like Nene.

>>175017449
>forced meme about how similar a portrait is to a stupid girl from a stupid anime nobody gives a shit about

gee, I don't know

>>175017812
this general has been nothing but forced memes for a long time

>>175017812
But anon, you're the one who keeps bringing it up whenever people talk about Fencers in V.

>>175009935
I settled into Protector, War Magic, Dark Hunter, Survivalist, and Hexer. Seems to work well but Im thinking I should have pumped provoke instead of line guards since in this game, the guards reduce damage to allies and not take the hits for them

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>>175017812
Do you mean forced nene?

>>175017640
>the return of linksknecht.
you have bunny waifus for that

>>175018863
>Bunnies
Those are the return of Warrior's Might

>>175018975
You can easily pretend those are physical links

>>174995190
>What's the worst kind of funtioning party you can create in EOIV?
The only way to make a badly function party in IV is to build each individual unit badly. Any party comp will work if you build everyone well, any party comp will fail if you do foolish shit like bad skill point allocations or non-synergistic subclasses.

>>175019150
That's not how it works anon. You're going against 4 games and two remakes worth of tradition.

>>175019286
remove tradition

I want to take shogun's rear dignity

So if forbidden woods are supposedly artificial and not really connected why can't we undermine their ecology so everything there just dies on its own

Hows this for a eo5 team? Iron Dragoon, Cannon Dragoon, Combo Monk, Quad Bunny, and maybe poison Herbalist.

>>175021318
>eo5 team
neVer eVer

>>175021318
If you want to make a cannon dragoon, I'd make a therian and reclass her into dragoon.
Combo cestus is the strongest class in the game, and only gets stronger with setup.
Quad bunny isn't going to be doing much. They combo well with combo cestus; but not with any of your other classes. 1 sword bunny is still strong though, if a bit dull.
Poison herbalist is probably fine. I haven't used one; healer herbablist is too good.

>>175021634
pretty much but I never drafted a team yet so I wanna be ready when it gets ported after Persona X Street Fighter releases

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>>175018863
But it's not fun when you aren't juggling elements and when reaching absurd damage is so trivial.

>>175019480
That's kind of what they did with dragons.

>>175020456
>and not really connected
I wish the game settled on whether it's floating islands or a twisted branch of Yggdrasil.

>>175022146
>No Scatter About
>No Dragons

>>175021808
oh, the races can go into other classes? thats neat but Im not sure what that even means. Nice to hear that combo monk is good since bringing the wrestler on a monster hunt is always a good idea. I planned for quad bunny cause the team defenses are fucking high with 2 gun bricks on the teams to warrant a glass cannon but if they need synergy and arent standalone dpser then what should I pick in its place?

>>175021910
>tfw you already planned a team, including hair and eye colors, 10 months ago
Just kill me now, Atlus

>>175022273
Sounds great
Scatter about is shit, just as dragons

>>175022372
>tfw you've been playing since release and still haven't beat it
This truly is the nagaki no shinwa

>>175022740
is it harder than previous entries? I usually slap the difficulty to expert on first playthroughs so this sounds nice

>>175022889
Of course it's not harder, it has sanzu, zombie powder, and cestus.

>>175022889
Let's just say you get a sense of progress in this game.
And it's probably the fact that I was managin two parties that made things go slower.
Fun fact; My party with a dumb bunny got to level 70 ten levels faster.

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>>175022369
>Im not sure what that even means
Stat spreads aren't determined not by class (mostly) but by race.
Base class does nothing to stats but specializations do add bonuses to favor their role.
You can reclass any character into any other class regardless of race.

Needless to say, a bunny dragoon will be much more brittle than a human one but in turn will have much higher attack.
And unlike previous games, in EOV attack and defense stats granted by equipment DO matter, so there's that.

>>175023142
>no black frost pin
ONE(1) JOB

>>175022369
>team defenses are fucking high with 2 gun bricks on the teams to warrant a glass cannon
Not really.
Cannon Dragoons chew through TP, and humans have the lowest TP of all races. This is why you want to change to Therian (also since Therian's have higher STR growth, and guns are based off that again).
Unfortunately, Therians also have the lowest VIT and WIS of all the classes, which would make your Cannon Dragoon a middling defence class. I should mention that if you want to use cannon dragoon's ailment skills then you're in for a tough decision. Humans have the highest LUC growth but have the TP problem I mentioned before. Lunarians also have high LUC, but their STR is the lowest.

Also, your Iron Dragoon's skills can't protect your whole team reliably. Their party-wide protect skill can come out once every 5 rounds at level 10. You'll probably be spamming line guard/counter guard -> gun mount repeatedly. So you won't be protecting 1 line from damage, (normally your rear line, essentially confirming their death if they take a single hit). Also, the defense from the dragoon won't be enough to keep the bunny from killing herself. 3 swords + 1 armor is a workable balance, but 2 swords + 2 armor is probably ideal, although it lowers your chases (which might not be too bad if you do go with that team as you'll be generating at most 7 hits per round (Iron Drag - 1; Cannon - 1; Cestus - 4; Herbalist 1).

Viable replacements would be 1 sword bunny, which like i said is strong if dull. Hound would be quite good if you're not planning on using bunkers. Warlock for elemental damage (they chew through TP really fast though). Punch cestus is strong, but a little difficult to get working properly. Reaper would pair well with an ailment herbalist, but would probably end up being dead weight a lot of the time.

The biggest problem with EO5 is that all these conflicting factors in classes usually lead you to a very cookie cutter party.

>>175022889
Somewhat harder than EO4, certainly easier than Untold expert.
Although that's mostly talking about bosses, random encounters are a bit more threatening than usual.

>>175023142
>it took a whole new planet for equipment to become useful
Earth is truly a fucked place

>>175022740
I know this feel.
Stratum 5 boss is fucking impossible. I just use the game as a "make fun party combo" simulator at this point.

>>175023446
git gud

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How do I grind quick in EO4? I have a ton of party members I want to bring to level 60~ for the post-game content.

>>175023310
well shit, here I figured 2 dragoons is brick wall tier but I always forget that line guards are reduction and not substitution now.

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Touching fluffy ears when

>>175023874
I wish they would forget about Etria/Lagaard classes as they did with dragons.
All this alchemist and protector copypasting really hurts.

>>175023548
I could probably beat him if I could read more nip and could be bothered to learn his routine.
You don't realise how useful knowing attack names is until they're gone.

>>175024025
But muh descendants

>>175024025
To be fair with Alch its basically the mandatory elemental attacker class.

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>>175024160
They were moving in a right direction

>>175024296
If you mean in terms of being fluffy sure but gameplay wise, its basically the same shit as usua.

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>>175024160
But it doesn't have to be like that! Look at the "physical" branch, they got lots of creative stuff there. But then you go to the elemental branch and it's the same crude and bland skill in three different flavors. AGAIN.
Heck, they've done better before, just take a look at runemaster and... oh right, they also look at runemaster. Specifically to copypaste their tier-1 runes all over the place.

Even Etrian Mystery Dungeon has done a better job at reinventing magical attackers than the main series.

As for protector, line guard should die at fucking once. That skill never did a good job, specially not at being fun to use. Or at the very least give us altenratives that actually work, be they in the same or a different class. I'm glad beasts are so functional in EO2U.

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>>175024496
Element runes and passives are already better than anything alchemist ever had. Skills not being recolors was good as well. And fluffy.

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>>175024496
Runemasters do not have a single "hit only one target" skill among their skillset. And they only have two "hit every target" skills, one of them being untyped and hella expensive.

>>175024737
>>175024804
Runemaster had quite a bit of sameyness going on with

Fire/Ice/Volt Rune
Storm/Inferno Rune
Glacier/Galvanic Rune
Flame/Blizzard Rune

The passives were neat although they did basically just added on to stuff that Zodiacs did in 3.

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fluff

>>175024931
three

>>175024931
>Runemasters do not have a single hit only one target
Storm and Inferno Rune

>They only have two hit every target
Three, Flame, Blizzard and Origin Rune

Which etrian odyssey class should I try to recreate in dark souls 3

>>175024957
That's gay, not fluff

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>>175025292
Sheeps are female.

>>175025476
nice headcanons

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>>175024957
I'm ready for Flufflock.

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>>175024943
>>175025065
I admit I forgot some specifics, specially among tier-2.
But even then they have more attack types that alchemist, zodiac or elemental warlock could hope for. You really got more variety while playing than the other wizards can brag about.

Of course it would be much better if they could add special effects here and there like physical warlock, but as far as the fire/ice/volt triad goes, runemaster was a massive step forward whereas Untold alchemists and elemental warlock a big step back.
Why can't mages be as varied as physical attackers? Or tanks or healers for that matter.

>>175026196
Because no one is going to balance a dead series. Maybe in etrian waifus 2020 someone will.

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>>175026419
>etrian waifus 2020
Someday.

>>175026419
This kind of comment is starting to sound very puerile.

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>>175026557

>>175026582
It's dead, Jim!
Stop that shit or we won't be able to get a severed antler.

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>>175026557

>>175027123
>I don't have any candy so why don't you give me a trick
I've read enough doujins to know where this goes.

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>>175027221
Bad end.

>>175023714
any1 pls

>>175026742
Use formaldehyde if you need a horn that hard or be faster

>>175027903
golden sheeps, kill the dragons

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>>175027289
Where did you find such godawful typesetting?

>>175028247
>dragons
>good exp
This meme needs to die

>>175028247
Do the dragons respawn every 2 weeks or what?

>>175028298
I just type words, but thanks for your work.

Is dauntless order for princess any good?

>>175025265
I tried to make a Highlander but there's no armor that looks like their portrait and no frostbite spear to emulate Spear Assist.

>>175028986
It saved my ass in the final phase of the last story boss if you're talking about EOU2. Pretty situational though, I know I had it maxed because of griomoires but I don't remember if it was a prerequisite for something.

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>>175028880
Makes me mad we didn't get any kind of shota Lunarian.

Arianna a cute

>>175026196
Elemental Warlock did alright all things considered since it has Splash, Pierce, Row and 3 AoEs which means that the only thing RM has on it is the random hits and the single target. That's not even considering the fact that Warlock had the option to modify how strong their spells were.

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>>175031173
>That's not even considering the fact that Warlock had the option to modify how strong their spells were.
I've been meaning to ask, does Alter get affected by Multi-strike/Compression?

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Is anyone actually planning on using the isekai portraits? I want to roll my eyes, but at the same time I'm kinda tempted to put together a 7thD-ish team.

>>175032669
Probably not.

What level should I fight Overlord? Wiki says 60 but I think thats too high.

>>175032669
No.

>>175036605
Ah well, I figured it sounded too good to be possible.

>>175038623
Ricky has fat legs

Am I the only one who wishes that they'd just drop the whole, Line Guard/or whatever name it goes by is practically mandatory thing from EO?

>>175041457
But now you can deal damage with dragoons every other time you line guard.

>>175041991
I'd prefer if tanks were a nice addition but not downright mandatory.

>>175041457
>>175042359

Eh? In EO3 Hoplite is optional, in EO4 Fortress is optional, etc.

>>175042565
Fortress can't even use its shield skills properly until like the 3rd Stratum.

>>175042884
You don't need them until then. Taunt is more than enough for the first 2 stratum.

>>175043185
I can think of quite a few moments where I'd want to pop a Party Shield in the 2nd stratum and early 3rd before you unlock subclassing. Taunt is helpful but rng can be a bitch at times and the game can just decide to ignore your Fort even though its maxed out.

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>>175024957
Needs more fluff

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So what is this I heard about a spinoff getting localized instead of EO5? Why are you even supporting this series when even the company ignored it?

Can someone give me a rundown of untold 2's grimores? Its just extra skills? Does this mean im going to be making characters just to farm their skills?

>>175047567
EMD2 yea?

I dunno man

>>175018028
Not sure about the Survivalist - but it's your team and I wish you all the best luck with it.

Provoke is a really weak skill in EO2U.
Most actually dangerous moves are area based so Provoke does nothing against them - if an enemy attacks a line or the entire party they will still do so whether of not your Protector provoked them.
If you wanted someone to take hits for your team a Beast would have been the class of choice. They are essentially Fortresses on steriods - way more health, way better damage reduction, way fluffier fur.

Front Guard reduces the damage your Frontline takes by 55% at 10 - and at 20 for 70%. That is a lot of damage your party just doesn't take.
And the Walls outright negate enemy elemental attacks.
You want Fire Wall at at least 5 (and at most 9 since anything beyond that only gives a small absorbtion for extremely increased cost) for the second boss and Ice Wall at at least 5 for the third boss.
It's not mandatory but very, very helpful.

>>175047567
It's not confirmed but it's likely that it'll get localized soon, mostly because it's got NOTHING from EO5. These fuckers thought of everything. I'm slowly giving up hope.

>>175028342
Yes. You can also use them and the bird to farm materials for weapons.
And to get these materials without bending yourself out of shape you can farm Formaldehyde on the first floor of Hall of Darkness - the normal drop of the sheeps there is used to make them.

But really for 60+ golden sheep in the second land is still enough.
Get XP+ food and use the Holy Gift Burst skill in every fight and the XP should come rolling in.

Or just go afk grind on casual (you can change the difficulty in town). Not fast but the least annoying way.

>>175036508
If you know what he does (and have the elemental Walls) Overlord is a total pushover. 55 is high enough for him.
You need also some ranged damage but that's not hard to come by in EO2U.

>>175048195
Yes, those are extra skills. No, you don't need to make characters to farm their skills (thankfully - fuck EOU grimoires).

You have one to six slots (one unlocked rather early, the other ones every ten levels until level 50) and can slot in anything you like.
Grimoires can push the level of any skill beyond 10 up to 20 (or for some beyond 5 up to 10).
Usually they get less of a boost from 11-20 than they got from 1-10 but their TP costs jump up a bit. So it's more something for late in the game.

You can trade Grimoires against other Grimoires at the Cafe later on (before the end of the first stratum iirc) and that includes other players.
To gettheir Guild Cards and Grimoires you just need to scan QR codes - the OP has a ton of those.
As far as I have seen pretty much every skill at max rank and some of them even at lower ranks. So you can generate pretty much any Grimoire you like.
Just keep in mind that higher level Grimoires are more expensive (getting a rank 10 Grimoire with rank 1 ones costs more than you can actually store) but they always trade 1-to-1 for something of the same level.
Having Regina Recycle your Grimoires into higher grade Grimoires is mroe cost efficient but you can not choose what you get which matter little if you can just trade the Grimoire Regina gave you into anything you want.

>>175050406
neat, I was worried this game was trying to get me to play video games outside the comfort of my home

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Not enough shitposts in this thread yet.

>>175051093
Stop taunting us, Himukai.
If you have too much time on your hands make sure EOV gets localized.

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>>175051878
But Himu is just the lead artist, why would he care about baka gaijin when he could just draw persona fan art instead?

>>175052032
>fan art
He is paid for that.

>>175052032
If Himukai has the time to shitpost his self-insert Alchemist into this thread he also has the time to talk to AtlusUSA about a localisation.

>>175051093
Why would i do anything for an ugly ass alchemist?

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>>175053097
>>175053469
delet

>>175053538
Delet yourself

>>175053538
Where is his glove?
What is an Alchemist without a glove? Just a bookworm in eastern clothing...

>>175024943
Runemaster has a few things that make them better than Alchemist imo.

First, their resistance manipulation Runes allow you to completely ignore one element.
Sure if you are able to hit every weakness you get the most damage out of it but hitting something the enemy is neutral or only slightly resistant against with the manipulation Rune still means you get enough damage out of it.

So at that point Runemaster no longer is about faithfully leveling up the same few skills three times in different colors but instead all about the area that is effected.
Splash, all target, single target vs. pierce, multi-hit, all target vs. linebased melee target, single target, multi-hit - just picking two of these lines is enough for coverage and it makes for a more varied gameplay since you can mix up what you pick from run to run.
For example for Linkers ice and volt are the way to got because they have multi-hit skills.

All other mage-types are always about picking everything and then just matching the color to the enemies liking (or rather disliking) - but Runemasters can match the enemy's taste to the colors they have.
You have much more agency that way.

>>175058018
High quality tummy bunnies - neVer eVer in the west.

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I want to fuck a sheep.

>>175050819
Nah - they introduced features that let players slightly cooperate but soon enough remembered their core audiance and made everything Streetpass gives you available via QR codes.
And on those the internet has your back.

>>175056989
Its true that RMs can let you create your own weaknesses but you're still better off just using the Rune that kills the boss' weakness harder since it stacks with existing weaknesses. Unless its something like Boiling Lizard where you want to use your Runes to ease your Fort's job.

>>175062876
no more gays

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>he knew everything about EOV and tried to warn us

>>175063928
Sure, you do more damage - if the enemy is weak to begin with you deal 160% or sometimes even 185% damage instead of 135%.
But it's pretty costly when it comes to skill points. 6 for the resistance Rune and 10 to get all skills at least fo half max level - 1.
Instead you could put these points into more passive to fuel your other skills.

And it's not like you lose out the natural weakness bonus in 33% of all battles - more like 10% if not even less.

>>175064541
How motivational. Shame it's no use, since >>175049514

>>175031173
Splash, pierce and row that were copypasted from runemaster mind you. They didn't even bother switching the colors around.

>>175065285
You should still have space to sink points into your passives and still raise the relevant skills. RMs only really need Galvanic, Inferno and Glacier for bossing.

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>>175035853
Since they didn't give me a himeko, I made my own with isekai portraits.

>>175065764
Knowing Atlus, they probably couldn't be bothered to make new effects.

>>175066114
Don't forget that Inferno can be capped at 4 for its purposes since against neutral targets Glacier/Galvanic are better.

>>175067217
The effects will be reused until the 3DS stops production and that's it!

Not that simply swapping colors around would actually do anything gameplay wise.
It would be a bit less lazy but it wouldn't improve Alchemist or Warlock.

>>175070305
Eh, I still think that Runemasters are equally lazy for skill copypasting but there's only so much you can do with mage classes.

>>175070305
I'd doubt switching consoles would stop them from lazily reusing shit considering SMT and P5 still have repurposed sound effects from Nocturne.

>>175070770
You can do pretty much the same they do with physical classes.
They just choose not to.

>>175070770
Huh. I really thought Runemasters did something really new and good with their rune circles. The previous titles didn't really have any skills that would destroy enemies elemental resistance while amping up yours.

>>175071392
That was a nice addition but the Tier 2/Tier 3 spells were basically the same skill copied two/three times with a different element. Which is more or less the same problem that Alchemists have which is that their moveset is the same skill used in different elemental flavors.

>>175070770
They made at least some effort to make the elements feel distinct.
But it's probably the bane of a mage class in EO that they have to feel pretty samey - resistances and weaknesses are a big deal in these games so you can't just have something like fire being the only area damage element, ice being single target only and volt being multi-hit as that would seriously gimp the characters.
Having only fire to clear encounters in an area with enemies highly resistant to fire would make a mage pretty much dead weight in these fights.
You could of course make sure that something like this doesn't happen but if you balance the elements for something like this there would immediatly be a best element that everyone uses.

A possible solution would of course be to include more than one mage character - one boring, one harder to use - but proposing something like that is probably heresy and gets you sentenced to death by deers.

>>175071982
Well did they try to make multiple forms of healers between Medics, War Magi and Sovereigns but we all know how that turned out.

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>>175071776
It's kind of the same problem but kind of not. Firstly because there are more than two attack types and secondly because not everything is covered in the same way and you don't get all of them at the same time.
It's not as advanced as, say, a TEC-based pierce+volt attack that has a chance to paralyze but it's still a great departure from what mage classes did before (and after).

>>175064541
NEVER
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V
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>>175071982
Why does the "boring" variant have to exist at all, really? Physical classes tend to specialize in only one type of attack and it doesn't seem to be an issue.
Dark hunter can use slash and only slash. If they find an enemy resistant to slash they're pretty fucked. Yet the class is very good and relatively easy to use.

>>175072245
You have to remember that the multiple row things didn't exist in the DS games so it was either single target, random multi hits or full screen. You can't knock Alchemists and Zodiacs for things that just didn't exist at the time.

Zodiacs introduced things like random multi hits, bonus damage vs weakness, Dark Ether and those Prophecy skills that gave you an alternative to having to bring Fire/Ice/Volt Wall.

>>175072542
BRING BACK PROPHECIES

>>175072397
I like the alrounder thematically for elemental damage.
Magic is usually bound to intelligence and using the right element to hit weaknesses is ever so slightly smarter than just slashing and bashing away come what may.

Would you remove that outright elemental and physical damage would become the exact same thing and your new mage classes would be at a high risk to become copy-pasted physical classes just with a different stat spread.

I would enjoy if they added to the system instead of taking away.

>>175072397
Physical classes are freer to do whatever they want because they generally aren't the only reliable source of Fire/Ice/Volt damage in the game.

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>>175072542
I had somehow forgotten about that, true. Since player lines always have existed.
Untold alchemists have no excuse however and they should be fucking ashamed of themselves. Specially since they managed to forget stuff that was actually different and justified their title as "alchemists".

>>175072908
Then they should do physical classes that can do that, like gunner. Or enough mage classes to compensate.
An ice-mage take on dark hunter could be fun.

>>175072192
If Ailing Slash wasn't that overclocked it would actually be working quite well.

Since many people start with EOIV many people pick Medic in that game ans stick with them even though Dancers and Arcanists exist.
Just because something gets mostly used by inexperienced / careful players doesn't mean it has no right to be in the game.

The problem in EO2U is that Medic loses a lot of damage for slightly more healing.
With a weaker Ailing Slash the difference would not be that massive anymore.

I actually like Sovereign and their Links can deal nice damage. It's just a shame that with EO2U's pattern heavy boss design Barrier is so much better than Prevent Order.

>>175073232
Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a boring/safe version and an alternative that can work if you have a party that can back it up.

I don't like tank classes but I can understand why people would take one.

>>175073232
dancers are terrible solo healers, especially at the start

>>175073459
Man, I wish for EOV they had learned from fortress in EO4 and protector existing alongside beast in EO2U rather than copying protector once again and calling it a day.

>>175074023
I want the games to be more like IV where the tank doesn't have to be using Line Guard or the appropriate wall every single turn. They're probably going to be spamming Defend 24/7 during the early game before you max out the defensive passives but once they do, its pretty nice.

>>175074285
My fortress assisted with damage once she got taunt going. It was nice to be able to cast a couple more volt whatevers all of a sudden thanks to the class passive.

Which reminds me that marketing is a frightful beast. EMD might have brought protector for the sake of Teach advertising but their skillset and playstyle were mostly lifted from fortress. Even the walls are actually a fortress skill divided into three.

Do F/Ds need anything from the D subclass besides Fan Dance? I maxed out Iron Wall some levels ago so I've been conserving points for when I unlock subclassing.

>>175074884
Nothing. But you might as well get a couple buffs, it's not like your fortress will be spamming party shield every turn forever anyway.

Add this to the pastebin
http://tribullets.info/index.cgi?no=50&continue=on

>>175075093
I have a Dancer already in my frontline and I use a non Linkshark. I guess I'll take the ailment waltzes so my dancer can focus on damage.

>>175073473
I went with a Dancer from the start in my last run.
Medicas are not that expensive and in any hard fight Dancer is actually more TP efficient than Medic since Regen Waltz heals multiple times in a row.

>>175065764
the spreads make sense for each element, and
it's probably tradition at this point

>>175074023
did you play EOV

>>175076170
>the spreads make sense for each element
Not specially? There's no reason why volt should be line instead of pierce, or the opposite with ice or fire.
And to hell with traditions, remove dragons.

Oh look, there is a treasure chest behind multiple obstacles including a FOE that can completely slaughter me right now.
I wonder what's inside.
>Four-Leaf Clover

Oh look, a treasure in a place that means I will be trapped by a FOE if I try to get it.
I wonder what's inside.
>Wisdom Horn

Atlus made these items solely to troll players, right?

>>175076383
A piercing fire spell would be weird but you could just make a fire lance rune and be done with it.

>>175077776
Fire Lance, Chain Lightning for pierce.
Ice Shards, Ball Lightning for splash.
Flame Wall, Ice Wind for line based.

The possibilities are there to flavor different elements to different target types - but why bother?
Except for a short moment of recognizing that colors have changed nothing would be fundamentally different.


I would be more interested in a pure Ice Mage with ice/stab and ice/bash attacks.
They can still hit thrree different weaknesses but those are not either all physicals or all elemental.

>>175077053
Only whiny entitled babies unironically expecting good shit from every chest

>>175075208
http://tribullets.info/index.cgi?no=78&continue=on#continue

This one?

>>175079257
Did a treasure hunter kill your family?

>>175079449
More like treasure whiner

>>175079257
It's really quite jaring, actually.
It seems the harder a chest is to get the more likely it is to be some Grimoire crap instead of anything actually useful.

And as much selling that crap helps with your finances in the early game, still getting them in the post game is pretty silly.
I am fairly certain that Clovers and Horns are the most common treasure to get.

>>175079876
Should have put empty chests or mimics there so the mad would be even bigger

>>175079876
You only need them in the post game anyway.

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>>175080194
>mimics

>>175080194
Empty chests are open since EOIII so that would be too obvious.
But a Mimic would be funny since it's your fault for not watching the FOE radar.

>>175079876
I got the same impression so I checked. However, it turns out this is not true in EO2U. This would be the ranking of most common items, ignoring everything that is only found once or twice:

1.Grimoire stones (11)
2.Reciper book (8)
2.Status weapon (8)
4.Accesory (7)
5.Return flute (6) (keep in mind Ginnungagap 3 gives you 3 of these at once)
6.Amrita (4)
6.Amrita II (4)
6.Four-leaf Clover (4)
6.Nectar II (4)
6.Wisdom Horn (4)
11.ental (3)
11.Formaldehyde (3)
11.Hamao (3)

So yeah, you still get a lot of those useless items (8 times total amongst the two) but they're not THAT frequent. However, I'm pretty sure they do tend to be the reward for risky chests.

>>175081781
Thanks for the work.

Interesting.
It feels like I got them way more often. They probably stick out more since you have to invest some effort to get them only to be disappointed.

Yo, more shota warlock fluff please.

>>175083401
no more gays

Am I a bad person if I picnic through EO2U's postgame?
It's so fucking boring but at Picnic I could at least auto attack through random encounters instead of wasting TP against these cardboard cutouts.

>>175081443
Why is Medico a rat?

You know what, never mind.
Are there more pictures of Medico as a rat? And if not, why not?

>>175087106
That's Rickyrat

>>175087469
With orange hair and green eyes?
I thought it was Ricky at first because of the tiny twintails but it must be Medico copying her style (and wearing a rat suit but that's a minor detail).

But if there are pictures of Rickyrat I would take them, too.

>>175088819
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=49949192
Literally Ricky

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>>175088819
>>175089380
Just goes to show how uninteresting and bland Himukai's characters are

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>>175089697
The first time I actually thought one of Himukai's designs was bland and generic was during the EMD2 announcement.

The new girl looks... like nothing, really.
Just empty cuteness and not even much of it.

>>175091607
Like an improved version of Ricky.

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>>175091607
That's a cute Ricky

You have 5 seconds to name a shittier stratum than Golden Lair

>>175093402
frozen grounds
>lair
>bad
lmao@you

>>175093402
I liked Golden Lair. Took me a while to think about the boss battle.

>>175093402
Forbidden Woods EO2U - snoozefest postgame with deadzones to make it extra boring

>>175093402
Molten Caves
Forbidden Woods
Emerald Groove
there go my 5 seconds

>>175092129
I'm not sure about improved.
Ricky's blue jeans dress or uniform or whatever it is supposed to be at least has some character.

The EMD2 girl has a bow and forgettable clothes. Hopefully she has an interesting personality to compensate (she probably won't).

>>175097161
She has a furry jacket and a polka dot bow, she's already above

>>175092129
Looks more like that innkeeper from EO3 to me.

>>175093402
how is golden lair a shitty stratum? it's the comfiest stratum in the game and has a lot of neat puzzles and twists

>>175102009
>Comfiest
No way, 1 and 2 are comfier. Golden Lair is just tedious.

>>175102009
Shitters who cannot manage their inventory find it hard

>>175102296
Unless you're the type that refuses to sell anything inventory should be the last of your concerns in that dungeon.

EO3 > EOU 2 > EOU 1 > EO 4

Prove me wrong

>>175103373
>EO3
>The best game
Call me when Gladiators stop doing almost every other damage dealer's job better than their source class.

>>175103569
Arbalist > Gladiator

>>175103569
>using gladiator
>not using ninja

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>>175104495

Something is off here.

>>174973191
I am sorry, which original game are you referring to? The original Etrian Odyssey 2 had the gunner only being out damaged by a glass cannon hexer and had one of the best force attacks you could call on.

>>175103994
Endless Battle + Charge and Berserker Vow combined with better innate strength says otherwise.

>>175104424
>Ninja
You mean the class that requires you to play solo and use even more turns of setup to compete with the actually good damage dealers in the end?

>>175106157
Dark Hunters hit harder than Gunners in both versions of 2. Gunner does get access to Ricochet quite early due to it being a skill point light class though.

>>175107938
>Endless Battle

25% damage buff at max level, Giant Kill is 55%, sure it only applies if the enemy has twice the max HP, but even random encounters fit that description in later strata.

>Charge and Berserker Vow

Good thing that Arbalist can subclass as Gladiator

>better innate strength

Gladiator has 10 STR at level 1 and 81 at level 99, Arbalist has 11 STR at level 1 and 85 at level 99, so no.

The only thing Gladiator does better is having proper HP pool and VIT to survive in the front row, and even then, it will still not survive tough bosses/FOEs without a Hoplite or Monk babying it.

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I want a lap dance from a dancer... (male)

>>175110695
That butterfly is about to poison everyone.

>>175110886
You mean it already did. They're not sleeping, they're dead.

>>175110886
Aren't poison butterflies purple?
These ones would blind or head bind.

>>175103373
>going in reverse order

Arianna a cute

>>175110695
>9 man party
>actually picking male runemaster/dancer/alchemist, trap medic and "dude drugs" nightstalker
What is this heresy