/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

>>175267270
Reporting shitposting is not ignoring it.

>>175267270
based

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La Plata

>>175267270
Black and not based

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reminder that Truth by Consensus is fallacious and that the average paradox fan is incorrect concerning Johan's video games and their quality

>>175267571
thanks

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La Plata

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>>175267562
Ok, so what is your definition of "good"?

Personally I would say that a good product is a product which sells a lot, that's the truth for the producers as well, I reckon. This game does not only sell a lot, the users are also spending a very big amount of their lives playing it, which means they are very entertained by it. I would personally say this is also part of the definition of a good game.

Tell me what is your definition of a good product, and why is your definiton any more true?

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Croatian fascists have awoken.

Can we get a petition going for the Darkest Hour lads to make an HD remake?

It's still by far the only HoI game worth playing, but needs a little spruce up of things like the tech tree and UI.

(this is not a duplicate)

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>>175267995
Since we don't have a legally or academically defined definition of what a good video game is, nothing both you and I will ever be true.

To me, a good historical grand strategy game is one that stimulates you both intellectually and creatively, along with being difficult to beat, allows for plausible and historical outcomes, represents war, politics, diplomacy, demographics, religion, trade and technological with increasingly in-depth and realistic detail, and caters to the fan of realism and history, not to min-maxing retards. A game that is more like a simulator than a video game.

But like you said, my opinion doesn't matter because a company only cares about creating profit instead of a history/alt-history generator and simulator.

Simulators are for autists, and autists don't make money.

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>>175267995
>I would say that a good product is a product which sells a lot
You are lost in your own arguments.
It went from "they care about their own product and want to make it as good as possible" to "it sells a lot so it's good".
Which is it?
Because those two things aren't the same and once again, you can sell a lot of low quality product and it will be good by your definition.

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How rare is this?

Can you form Scandinavia if you have all the required nations in your sphere?

>>175268897
Pretty damn rare.

>>175269045
what did he mean by this

>>175268383
Darkest hour team isn't really a full time team.

Besides with how little and shitty support they got from paradox to begin with I doubt they would even want to try even if they had a full crew.

Besides there's theoretically a 1.06 patch in the works, they actually had a lot of stuff being slowly worked on that didn't make it to 1.04 and 1.05

>>175269204
yea but what do the two 2s mean

>>175268635
>Since we don't have a legally or academically defined definition
No, you make your own definition and it will always be just as true as any academic's definition.

Thank you for sharing your definition.

>>175268738
No I don't think I am. They do care about their products, and they do want it to be as good as possible. This is quite obvious, because people need to think it's good so that they can sell more of it.

"it sells a lot so it's good", what I mean by this is that many people must be of the opinion that the game is good, because that is what the sales are telling us. Why would they buy it if they thought it's bad? Because they are "paradox-drones"? Lmfao give me a break.

>you can sell a lot of low quality product and it will be good by your definition.
Do you think that the game is sold to a million people who don't think it's good, is that what you're telling me?

It seems to me that you're fixed on some kind of idea that what makes it "good" does not have anything to do with the fact that people like it or are entertained by it. Well, to that I'm saying: Well...that's just your opinion, man.

>>175269419
>No, you make your own definition and it will always be just as true as any academic's definition.

But everything has an objective truth, though. We simply don't know what it is in this situation.

>>175268897
See >>175269045

In my old game I need to continue I only have fucking Australia and I'm the top industrial and military power by 1857. Kys.

>>175269510
I am looking everywhere for two 2s but i cannot find any in the picture

>>175269713
it`s your shitty rank

>>175269713
top left maybe? I never played vicky 2, I imagine those numbers are your ranking at those stats

>>175269813
oh haha sorry

didn't come to me immediately woops

>>175269602
>But everything has an objective truth, though.
Not this.

An objective truth is one which can be quantified. If I measure exactly how many millimetres my finger is then I can tell you the objective truth on how many millimetres.

You cannot state an objective truth about whether a game is good or not, because that will always be an individual opinion, or many individual's opinions. It's subjective and will never be objective.

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Rate my Western Europe with a Charliememe start
Once I form Brittania I'll play world police to stop the ugly

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>>175269924
God damn I just want someone to create a history/alt-history simulator already, im sick and tired of all the boring GS games I'm forced to play

>>175270081
Yeah, I agree it can be improved a lot. I want many things to be improved too, so I know how you feel. However I still enjoy the game a lot.

Theres one objective truth: EUIV is shit.

>>175270397
this

>>175269419
>because people need to think it's good so that they can sell more
>Do you think that the game is sold to a million people who don't think it's good
I think people very often accept a low quality product in their lives for a variety of reasons.

>It seems to me that you're fixed on some kind of idea that what makes it "good"
I'm fixated on a faulty assumption that companies give a fuck about making a product "as good as possible".
Quality is always compromised by financial reasons. Companies make product that's marketable and cost efficient.

The only people making a stuff as good as possible at the ones operating on passion and in a nearly billion dollar company like Paradox that kind of shit isn't going to fly.

>>175270457
I think you're wrong. Sure someone who are really passionate might work harder and care more. But generally speaking the capitalistic producers of a product will care about how much it sells, and they know that it will sell more if the product is not only well marketed, but also good in the eyes of the potential buyers. They will try to meet this goal, because they want to sell more. In any case, we'll agree to disagree. I'm not willing to stretch this discussion even longer, people ITT thread are probably sick of it by now.

>>175269312

>1.06 patch

Really? That's interesting. Any idea what kind of things it would have added?

>>175271032
So are you saying that they only have to meet the bare minimum requirements of the consumer for it to be 'good'?

>>175270081
>simulator
It's called your imagination. Just look up a historical time and ask yourself what would've happened if one small but significant thing went differently. And if you don't know the answer then research until you can.

What is there to do once you've conquered England?

I've ran out De-jure CB's and now It's like I'm back to the start all over again. The only way to get new land is to fabricate claims or create new duchies.

At this rate it'll take another 100 years before I have Ireland or Scotland, and they're both tribal shit nests that aren't worth the vassal space.

>>175271032
>they know that it will sell more if the product is not only well marketed, but also good in the eyes of the potential buyers.They will try to meet this goal
that would be true if there were any competition
paradox has no competitor, they can sell literal shit disguised as gsg and it's still going to have people buying, simply because there's no alternative

Post the best 30k army once you have tanks and planes unlocked.

>>175271424
>the best 30k army once you have tanks and planes unlocked.
Happy?

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>>175271339
Invite claimants or convert to a heresy to holy war them, or just relax and stop blobbing for a while and develop England

>>175271424
Optimally you'd replace your Guards with Tanks but it's very expensive.

As for planes it depends what patch you're on. If you're on Vanilla just make your whole army out of planes. I'm not memeing, it's really OP because their defense is crazy high. If you're on HoD before 3.0.4 then you can use them a lot but they won't be as good on their own, and after 3.0.4 they should be kept in the back row. They're still good though so keep some in your army if you have Airplanes invented.

>>175271032
>but also good in the eyes of the potential buyers
It's very easy to impress potential buyers if they are inexperienced.
Paradox games blew up just recently and most people don't have a ton of experience with a genre (as devoid of competition as it is) to complain about shit.

>>175271686
Papist status: SCHISM'D

>>175271852
I never equipped my armies with guards.

I currently have 4 inf, 4 art, 1 hussar, and 1 eng.
What should be swapped out with what?

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>>175271216
But I want the computer to do that for me. A computer can calculate all sorts of things much better and faster than a human can.

I want to see how fast and complete the hypothetical 'Germanization of Poland' would have been if a German state took the country over hundreds of years before it was historically partitioned. I want to see detailed demographics, census information, linguistic information, ethnic makeup, national identities, popular philosophies, religious affiliation...

That's just a random example of the kind of information I want to be presented to me throughout simulation, and this is only demographics. I want warfare to be a very intricate and detailed wargame-style affair. I want global trade to be programmed in cooperation with actual economists and businessmen. I want diplomacy to be difficult and deep with detailed treaties and agreements made by the player with the computer. I want politics to reflect real life instead of very broad abstractions, with interpersonal relationships, rivalries, intrigue, charisma and all that sort of stuff. All calculated and presented to me by a computer on a readable, interactive map/spreadsheet-type document. I want to be able to influence the simulation, too.

I love detail and hate abstractions. Is that too much to ask?

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What the hell happened to my game

My empire just disappeared and i'm playing observer

>>175271704
I'm not him but how does inviting claimants work? What's the requirement for them to become a vassal?

>>175271686
>Russians helping their best buds the turks
sounds realistic buddy

>>175271686
>Great Power intervention in 1479
Bravo, Johan.

>>175272043
Wrong thread

>>175272020
>Is that too much to ask?
yes
it`s literally impossible to make a game without some degree of abstraction

>>175272043
>>>/civ4xg/

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>>175272181
Can the abstraction be very little? To allow for extreme detail?

I love numbers and wiki-style information.

>>175272045
They need to be a landed vassal and the title your pushing must be of a lower tier, i.e just give them some random county/barony and push the duchy they have a claim on if you're a king, or kingdom if you're an emperor.

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Rate.

>>175272354
I see, thanks man

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>rev up CKII
>EULA
>You do not own this game, we just allow you to play it
wtf is going on xDDD

>>175272043
can this game work on my tablet

>>175272345
delet this image

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Converting a CK2 save file manually is exhausting.

>>175272345
I mean, i don`t disagree with you on what you said before, it would just be very hard(and it would probably run very slow) to make a game like that, and it would probably have very few buyers since it`s essentially a niche of a niche genre

calle calle

>>175272573
Nah, it's actually the most fun you'll have in eu4: the hope of a cool new europe that will come out of your work before the retarded ai immediatly fucks up

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Well, shit.

>>175272006
Replace the hussar with planes. Planes have better recon and do artillery-tier damage. Actually all things considered their average damage is higher than artillery, so funnily enough you could also just replace your artillery with planes completely.

However that will make your back row larger than your front row. So there are a few things you can do. You could potentially replace the engineer with a tank, since tanks get the same siege bonus as engineers, but you won't get the dig-in bonus anymore. You can also just replace your infantry with tanks if you want; tanks have better stats than infantry all around except defense which is two points lower (don't try to explain how men in cloth uniforms have higher def than literal tanks)

So I guess it could be something like 5 tanks/5 planes. Or 5 tanks/4 planes/1 eng for dig-in. But this is very expensive mind you. So you could replace some tanks with infantry so it's less expensive, or planes with artillery. As far as I know though planes are just a straight upgrade to artillery and tanks are basically an upgrade compared to inf and can replace an eng for siege bonus.

>>175272020
yes, that is too much to ask. The only thing similar to what you're describing is dwarf fortress, and even that advances at a snail's pace, has a tiny niche audience, and also happens to be a text game. Man has limitations.

>>175272783
True, it is fun, but tiring.

I'm not quite done, but I fear that Colonization will take a good while to spawn.

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What, so I just walk into Constantinople and I'm Roman Emperor? There was barely a fucking army in the way of my personal levies, what the fuck.

>>175272573
Is this only partially done or something? It actually looks pretty good and that's confusing to me, converted CK2 saves always look fucking ridiculous.

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accebt jebus you fucking niggres :DDD

>>175273118
le succession by the sword face

>>175273215
I wanted to ask if you're going for jerusalem but I don't think it's even possible at that point
>>175273118
palace coups happened aaall the time

>>175273365
>beta israel dont have create israel option
thanks johan

>>175273118
You were Bulgaria, right? Pretty sure that Bulgarians tried to crown themselves emperor a few times.

How good is this plan?

1. Conquer Britannia
2. Conquer the Duchy of Flanders
3. Take all counties in Flanders as personal demense and move capital to Brugge.
4. Give away all duchies and kingdoms in Britannia to dynasty members.

This seems pretty good to me. You get all of Britannia for just 4 vassal slots and the best duchy in the game to police it with while also being offshore and thus immune to revolt. You can basically just outlaw vassal wars and ignore the entire empire while you go off adventuring in Spain or Africa with all of their ships.

>>175273162
Yeah, it's partially done. Only worked on France/Spain/Italy/Balkans so far. I don't think I'll mess much with the HRE though.

It's not a full conversion though, I'm gonna change some things to make it a little better, like fusing three big duchies into a big Ottomans, etc.

>>175273430
They have it but only in the beta version.

What games would you recommend to a /gsg/ newfag? They don't necessarily have to be simple games.

t. /gsg/ newfag

>>175273758
eu4

>>175273758
hoi3 black ice soviet union

>>175273758
CK2

>>175273758
victoria 2 with HPM or maybe DH

>>175273758
eu3/eu rome

>>175274419
Look at that loser playing spreadsheet simulators.

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>>175274419
>still playing this shit game

>>175274419
black and unbased
>>175267270
white and based

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dude deus vult lmao

>>175272440
Post results

>>175274925
>not taking constantinople
>not taking European land
>not even taking all the Greek land and doling it out to crusader states
>dude let's just take this side of the strait for cheesing strats lmoa
God is frowning on you.

>>175273118
Yeah, thats how multiple Byzantine Emperors started new dynasties anon.

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>take this guy's entire Empire
>marry his wife to my son
>seduce her too
>get a kid from her and cuck my son

Quadruple cuckoldry.

>>175274925
you're going to release the latin empire as a client state right

>>175276365
Should use Athens or Cyprus

>your child is dying
>you keep "working" on a mod despite your daughter being gravely sick (and your wife likely hates you)
>actually post about this online and expect praise

the fuck?

>browsing le ebin paradicks forums
>some guy makes a thread about paradox prices being unreasonable
>"respectful disagrees out the ass"
>I say that if paradox is so shit that every patch comes with a bunch of bugs then they're just bad at their jobs and don't deserve the money they make
>mod gets ultra butthurt at me at closes the thread

HAHAHAHAHA

Fuck the Swedish kikes

>>175277304
>go to steamcordplaza
>get BTFO
>"WAAAAah how could this happen? time to blogpost about this on GEE ES GEE"

>>175277532
I stopped playing anything other than diplovanilla because I couldn't handle the autism triumvirate.

>>175277276
It's called escapism. His kid is probably fucked.

>>175277276
>there are people who have autism who have managed to reproduce

how?

>>175277276
Who?

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first time I've seen the commonwealth collapse this spectacularly this fast

never even seen the galicia-volhynia tag appear

>>175277596
Ah I see, so /gsg/ has moved beyond outright despising paradox for their dlc pricing straight into "everything must be a shitpost" territory. Cool stuff.

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>>175277532
>more pathetic
Reminder that we have horsefucking child rape incest mods where you can become futunari cocksleeve.
How can mountain blade even compete?

>>175277304
based anomanderus

>>175278141
>gain piety for almost raping a girl

What

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>>175278124
Just admit you got salty and being BTFO by the mod and it'll be easier for you, little anon.

>>175278381
This aint christianity little boy, everyone else knows the gods smile on deflowering teenagers

>>175278141
mod?

>>175277304
Umm, no sweetie. This is rude, gratuitously insulting, and simply wrong. Would you really say this to the developer's faces, in real life? Thread closed since talking about PDS on the PDS forum is off topic. And I'll start infracting peolpe if you keep having free thoughts, mmkay?

t. "support representative" who does it for free

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>>175278381
I agree, I should have lost piety for it since it goes against my religion.

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do provinces have to be added to the HRE to stop shadow kingdom or is it enough that they are controlled by a member?

>>175278784
who are you talking about

>>175279136
they need to be added, doesn't matter who they're controlled by

>>175277956
>>175279287
M&T2 developer

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All of my pooish citizens are converting to germanism when promoting to factory workers. It took me til 1850 to discover hussar technology. This might be the worse playthrough I ever had, but on the bright side Krakow will be an 80% german micro state by the end date

RREEEEWWWEWEEEE RELEASE THE EUROPA ENGINE SO I CAN MAKE MY OWN GSG

oh yes i forgot, paradox is so shit that they are actually insecure that releasing this ancient engine will give them competition, despite having the clausewitz2 engine and millions at their disposal

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Bruh...

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Give me one reason why I shouldn't.

>>175279751
do you have proof that demian has a dying daughter

>>175280515
Your heir is trash.

>>175280515
i cant

>>175279562
Wait, the M&T2 dev is a b*lgarian? What's with all those tatars modding EU games

>>175280718
>>175280737
>Simeon is a fucking satanist

I was only in to infiltrate lads. :^)

why the fuck did I leave meme cults in

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>>175280938
pic

>>175280952
That's pretty hot, where's the cap?

>>175281147
>>175280938
What's the issue? Just roleplay it. One of my kids was literally a high priest.

>>175267270
W&B

I want to play a sweden game in vic 2

what should I do?

Fuck Ming.

Even with 10k debt and 0 mandate they're still a force who needs to be drawn into constant wars just to get them to implode.
They have 16 loans and can still take another 29.

>>175281463
>bulgarian in italy
rome watch out

>>175281792
Ming is absolutely based

>>175281792
why should they implode?

>>175281792
>stack quality/leadership ideas
>get the defensive one that gives your territory attrition
>wait for Ming to melt their stack to your level due to attrition
>wipe that stack
>repeat until peasants rebel

>>175281792
Ming is absolutely white

>>175282123
>attrition
>doing anything to the ai

>>175282041
It's like I'm reading /gsg/'s post-post-ironic shitposts, except unironic

>>175282041
>GABRILDURO

lel

>>175281291
I have the zealous trait though. Doesn't make much sense.

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Apparently Japan has it's own text for circumnavigation.
Did this get added in the Ming update? Do any other nations have this? I'd imagine if Japan has one Ming prob does too.

>>175282501
>EU4 players

>>175282501
>cropping
>not cropping

>>175282501
Anon are you retarded?

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>>175282501
Oops

>>175282707
>cropping

>>175281792
China is the best country of all times

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Almost every war I've fought in has been against Italy, but I'm seriously considering intervening in this war in favour of them to keep the Byzzies in czech. They've gotten far too powerful, and if Italy continues to lose as steadfastly as it is, the whole balance of power will swing far out of whack.

>>175282501
Lmao

>>175282803
>Iberian Empire
How, if you don´t mind me asking?

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>>175282808
What's the difference?

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I can't think of a fun scenario to play in CK2

>>175282990
Transferred the save? Ah, allright. Carry on then.

>>175283070
Become horse

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Does anyone else have this problem? My dlc don't show up

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for fuck's sake

>>175283426
The Russians sure do love the Turks in your game

>>175283389
You forgot to crack. The crack is probably inside the folder you downloaded.

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>>175282483
>Satanists cant be zealous
???

>>175283482
Yes but it was for 1.20

>>175283556
Shit, i deleted the folder

>>175282984
Retarded people tend to have disabilities that justify their condition, EU4 players don't.

>>175283070
embrace the faith of TALL or gimmicky immortal runs

>>175267663
who the fuck ever said that truth by consensus is actual truth? It's absolutly ridiculous

>>175284347
>playing tall
>can't even fill the entire province with baronies

>>175284439
2 provinces are enough to get demense capped, if you want to limit yourself to playing an OPM then I'm pretty sure you can glitch it and get 8 baronies in a single province.

>>175284347
Where do I start if I want this? Could I have a tall Memezantium?

>>175284694
Constantinople is the best province in the game, tech advantage aside the barony of Constantinople has the Theodosian Walls which give a great +25% levy size on top of some extra defence. Other than that, thanks to the prospertity mechanics in RD you can turn any place into the province of the world's desire, really, though you want places that are easy to defend and are in relatively lucrative areas since you start off small and weak.
Gotland, Isle of Man, Venice, any Mediterranean island (Cyprus, Crete, Corsica, Sardinia, Baleares...) coastal is obviously better.

>>175284947
What are optimal borders for a 'tall' Byz?

Any good engine to create a strategy game?
I tried google but it only recommended engines to make age of empires-tier strategy.

>>175285023
The duchy of Thrakia

>2k in garrison
>1.6k supply limit
give me one fucking reason anyone should play norse and deal with this retarded bullshit

>>175285591
what do i just release everything else

>start up hoi3 after a year
>entirely forgot how to play
Fug

>>175281941
>>175282064
>>175282123
>>175282220
Ming has officially recovered.

They're rising from their ashes.

>>175285704
Sure, either set independence rules to unlimited or transfer power to a heathen to circumvene not being able to grant indepence to de-jure people of your religion.

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I think it's safe to say my intervention has failed.
An entire army wiped out and the remaining 3 are undermanned.

>>175285659
There's none

I only play GSG on my mind now. It's the real redpill.

No lag.
No mana.
No blobbing.
Believable worlds.

I greatly suggest it. Pick up a country from any age and daydream about controlling it.
Only drawbacks are bias towards the players ambition and possibility of self induced schizophrenia.

>>175285968
Suggested start date? Time to try this.

>>175286472
Any start date works, so I usually just go for as early as possible. There are a bunch of province modifiers you want to stack so the more time you have to wait for RNG to work in your favor the better, though if you want a bigger challenge you can try the later dates when there are more blobs around.

>>175278102
>Ottomeme STRONK
>meanwhile, Austria and Hungary are fighting each other
but why

>>175285882
just make INF/INF/INF/AT/ART and some tank divisions.. Airforce is completely unnecessary against the ai.

>>175272345
>>that image
lol man did anybody in Imperial Japan know the sheer amount of pain they were going to receive for their little attempt at kicking the US out of the pacific?

>>175285569
Clausewitz, but Paradox are stingy with it. If you want a GSG-esque strategy game then you need an engine that can do tens of thousands of checks/calculations every second without lagging

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>>175286053
Either I'm not performing as well as I should, or my military isn't quite up to par.
213 000 of these casualties belong to me, and this kill/death is not at all where I want it to be.

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good god there is no end to these chinks

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Where were you when Rob got BTFO?
I was at USA going Manifest Destiny when Austria called.

>UK is an epic faggot

>"no"

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What should my culture be? I was thinking of either Norse or Slavic to complement the Zunist bonus to heavy infantry. Either that, or I just roll with standard Orthodoxy since the Hermetics and so fucking good and unreformed Zunists can't join the Hermetic Society (?)

>>175285591
I play large scale god sims in my head.

>>175269602
Objective truths are generally also defined truths. 1+1 is objectively 2, because we define the number 2 as 1+1. I define the length of a meter and then use it to measure things. Someone with the different definition of meter or 1+1 gets the 'wrong' answer because the definition he's using doesn't match up.
In this case, everyone has their own definition, and there's no commonly-accepted definition of 'goodness' of a game, unlike mass where we say "okay everyone agree that this chunk of metal is one kilogram".

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>>175286556
How's this?

>>175286981
That's not me you windowlicking cunt it's GLORIOUSREICH impersonating me after I BTFO him for the millionth time

Do catholics get some sort of penatly when attacking the Papal States or do I have just the Pope and his Excommunication to fear? Or do I only have penatlys when holding Rome before becoming either Italy or Rome?

>>175286636
Playing as a nationalistic Isolationist Japan. The economy is doing right and I managed to restore my relationship with the US despite remilitarizing and getting rid of their bases.

Got a nice trade league with SK, Taiwan and Philippines. Russia annexed almost the entire eastern region of Ukraine, which led to a US air strike, a no-fly-zone and an international embargo and I'm afraid that it might escalate, though it proved me right to stay neutral.

Currently working at missle/aircraft shields, infrastructure and shelters. Population growth is low, but this isn't very worrying right now.

It's 1545 and I just got my first idea slot as Qing.

Which idea group should I go for?

>>175287980
You can go even smaller. You want to own as many castles as possible in your capital because you get a 50% levy bonus there, and a 25% levy bonus in the duchy of your capital, so if you consolidate your holdings to Constantinople and Thrakia then you'll get higher modifiers. If you want to play tall by just have all the provinces in your demense, then you can try something like Denmark, Ireland, Wales or Brittany.

>>175288048
no, you're free to attack the pope but try to take rome last. also just keep your improve relations up with the pope and it shouldn't be a problem.

>>175273118
>coronation of a byzantine emperor emperor in 869 AD
>picture of nicky II
""""historical"""" """"immersion""""" project

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>>175288242
So basically this? Also fine to start with a regular character or should I have gone custom?

Gonna RP as a God-Emperor of the >Romans but with having most of his empire collapsed around him and just trying to keep a hermit state alive.

>>175288519
Greeks cant draw so it had to be Russians.

>been savescumming again
I hate myself.

>>175288703
Hunt down the venetian jew and other fat cities.

when going tall in CK2, should i upgrade all my castles to max before building new ones or just spam new ones then upgrade later on

>>175288703
Yeah, something like that. Custom characters are obivously stronger since you can give them the strongest culture/religion along with congenital traits. I went with Norse Zunist, you get to raid, get a full heavy infantry retinue, +30% levy size from Zunist and +20% HI attack/defense, plus Zunists can join the Hermetic society so you can still shit tech out the ass.

>>175288590
No, but the Court definitely has some power now, elevating it from its' figurehead status

>>175288816
It's not savescumming if it's because of RNG

>>175271495
Kek

>>175288980
Spam new ones in your capital until you hit your demense limit (or get close to it if your demense limit is fluctuating between rulers), then upgrade them all there in order

>>175288993
I'll probably go with German portrait because its the best.

>>175289308
thanks, time for tall norse sicily

>>175288980
>>175289308
And remember to prioritize upgrades. You want everything, but fort level doesn't do much when it's behind 5 other castles.

Very important for high fort level on the capital, though. Don't want anyone stealing you/your whole family in one quick siege.

>>175289604
What does "going tall" mean?

>>175289812
tall = quality
wide = quantity

They're Civ terms (afaik) which basically means deciding wether to play with a few but very well-developed cities or spamming as many cities as you can. Same goes for CK2, playing tall just means you have a small but ultra-centralized and developed demense instead of blobbing as much as you can to increase your power.

>>175289812
it's something you can only exclusively do in victoria 2 but people try elsewhere

>>175289812
not blobbing, developing your lands

>>175289912
You can play tall in EU4, but it's just retarded because you'll end up wasting 100 monarch points to upgrade a single part of a province.

>>175272020
Play some multiplayer game. For instance diplomatie will feel more real. A good exemple is eve online. There is a real time economy, you can manage a warfare like some kind of napoleonic general or you can be a minister of a whole nation.
I know this is not a grand strategy game (maybe closer to a 4x) but you need this ammount of player to satisfy your needs as describes.

>>175289912
Playing tall is significantly more powerful in CK2 than it is in V2. You can't even directly influence pop growth in V2, the only advantage to playing tall in V2 is having fewer provinces to micromanage your industry in. You're not going to destroy the world as de-jure Denmark in V2, but you could definitely do that in CK2.

>>175289912
Vicky sucks for playing tall compared to CK2.
You can have genuinely respectable and well developed personal demesne that can affect internal and external politics of kingdom and empires you are in.
Playing tall in V2 is awful as most of the countries because you have to spend so much time waiting pops are pretty deterministic in nature.

>>175289912
eu4 with MT gave me comfiest tall games

Anyone got EU4 venice tips?

I'm allied with France, Austria is friendly but won't ally me because I rival Hungary. I lead a trade league with a bunch of Italian minors and some islands.
I can't expand into Italy because they're in the HRE and into the Balkans because Hungary is guaranteeing Serbia and Bosnia and there's always the Ottomans further east.

>>175283070
War of Two Eriks

bring Norse faith back to Scandinavia.

>>175290928
should have kept restarting until you got a game where hungary doesn't rival you nor poland
make sure poland puts lithuania in a pu
you start out by fabricating a claim on athens, then declaring and taking constantinople, athens, achaea and morea
ally both hungary and poland/lithuania
wait for favors
then when the turks declare war on something bring in everyone and gangbang the turks until you conquer balkans-anatolia

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explain this you fucking racists

>>175291334
Should I not ally France?

>>175290196
Improving provinces up to 20-30 development isn't that bad with good modifiers, but you still need a bit of land for that.
I think 20 provinces lasts until maybe ca 1600.
In my iraq game I'm at 1560 so and I still have some left before my provinces are at 20 at least.
I have a small vassal I will develop after universities as well.
Still you probably have more mechanics to support "tall play" in ck2 and v2.

Montreal's First Jews

soon we'll have Leonard Cohen running around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttEMYvpoR-k

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>>175292921
forgot pic lol

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So much for the HRE.

Playing tall in Vic 2 is all about getting the healthcare reforms asap and having a single shitty colony so that the baby boom event can fire

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>>175292751

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>>175289812
>>175289906
yeah I think they were originally civ terms.
I think they started to become common around civ5 since it added some mechanics that stopped/halted spamming cities everywhere.
Initially people thought wide was bad in civ5 vanilla due to social policy cost increasing with #cities and unhappiness, but new cities can create more happiness as long as you plan for it, so infinite wide/ics still worked when you learned how, and the social policy cost wasn't that bad.
Second expansion made wide even better with religion, and then the third expansion added the tech cost increase with # cities like how eu3 has an increased tech cost based on # provinces, and that's when tall really became great.
You could still go wide though, not sure how competitive it would be unmodded though, probably not much, but that depends on game speed.

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>>175293479

>swedish genetics

>>175293119
>0.0(-22.8)
how's that independence working out for you?

>>175293497

Civ 5 made home defense so fucking strong you could defend a city city with an archer against nuclear missiles

>got cucked in ck2
>burnt the bull and the slut got stomped by elephants
>*tips fedora and whispers "women are all whores baka" *
>marry the bastard girl and impregnate her with my seed

was this the w&b course of action?

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>load game
>die
>no claims
>don't feel like playing anymore

>>175294281
>was this the w&b course of action?
not really
getting cuc ked is your fault, you should just marry chaste qts instead

>>175294310
>load game
>instantly get my title usurped
>liege starts plotting to revoke my counties
I really hate this fucking game

>>175294310
character would have lived had they had an 'h' in the center of their name

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>>175294254
Yeah cities were the strongest military unit in the game.

Also a problem with the AI since only melee units could take cities, so sometimes you could hold off a much stronger force as long as you killed the melee units. Less a problem in mp though. There people slam through defenses that the AI would have an impossible time with.

>you could defend a city city with an archer against nuclear missiles
Well no nukes were still powerful.
They killed every unit in the city and every adjacent unit.

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>>175294506

I married her for an alliance

pic related is the stacy

>>175294597

is civ 5 gsg now?

>>175294893
No but wide/tall discussion came up and it was relevant to the discussion

>>175294893
yes, they are more gsg than stellaris atleast

>News section in OP post
>No update on HoI IV's mext DLC focusing on the minor axis factions and AI/Air War updates added or the update on EU IV's free Hungary update.

>>175294549
CISlords arent welcome here.

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Is there a reliable way to destroy these unwanted baronies? My original plan was to grand independence to them and then simply raid them over and over until the holding was destroyed, but I don't think you can raid baronies if you own the top holding, can you?

>>175295413
Why are you so small, friend?

>>175295413
Holding baronies is not worth it, even if you want to play tall.

>>175295818
tall memes, just playing as the duchy of Thrakia

>>175296004
you get a 50% levy bonus in your capital so if you have 5 castles (aiming for 7 through cheese) you can shit out 50,000+ troops in one country

I got cucked again...

>>175296498
White and based

>>175296498
dont mention it, leave your sexual fantasies for outside of /gsg/

>>175296116
>tall memes
So Tall is going for a small demense with as many barronies as possible, right. But what do you do the entire game then ?

>>175294310
>go through the list of my vassals to see who killed me
>guy isn't even my vassal, but a vassal of the vassal lunatic that's dying from consumption and has positive relationships with me

Why is this allowed

>>175296498
this happens to like every ruler I have in EU4, that event pisses me off to no end. why even have it, CK2 is the character-based game. why do you I need to know how every single ruler has a wife sleeps around court? why are literally some of the options just to let her? fucking paradox

>>175296116
>just playing as the duchy of Thrakia
So why have the Byzantine title at all?

>>175296649
Read a book

>>175296649
>But what do you do the entire game then ?
Improve your demense and fight whatever wars you want to

>>175297030
Easier start, plus you want an emperor title for the tech and retinue boost

>>175297095
>going tall in CK2
>not playing republic

>>175296649
Politics.
It's a pretty fun thing to do if you are part of HRE.

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>>175296873
>>175296615
>>175296556

>down syndrome looking ass nigga
>the state of his wife's face

why do virtual women do this? They should know that as a king I'm obliged to skin both of them alive

>>175297390
I've already done a republic game, I want to go for a military power this time

>>175286981
I remember my first MP game with /gsg/

>be austria
>prussia and russia invade you
>they're so fucking incompetent that you manage to pull them off
>berlin conference time
>convince everyone that instead of colonygrabbing everyone should allow you to get some colonies because you're a gp and deserve one
>they agree

lmao

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Think my start is relatively good, and the coalition isn't even that bad.

>>175297524

Did you get 80+ tradeposts?
Did you get all of the tradeposts in India?

>>175267262
>there are people right now who play ironmeme
>a god awful idea that had an even worse idea of luck nations
>playing a historical lucky nation does not give you the luck bonus
Whats the fucking point?
While im regaining all my manpower as england france has already gained theirs back and then some
>inb4 playing eu4 Xddd shitter

>>175297938
Nah, didn't play that long. I got Gotland and Venice, then grabbed an empire title.

>175297985
off yourself

>>175297985
>>there are people right now who play ironmeme
ironmeme is great if you feel like you have a savescumming addiction.

>>175297985
Lucky nations ensures that some of the nations that historically did very well do so also in this game. I like it and I always have it on whether I play ironman or not.

>>175298175

they want ebin achievements

>>175298269
but why? some of the bonus are total fucking bullshit even at normal difaculty
>>175298140
>not giveing me a (you)
rude

>>175298485
>not getting cheevos for steam e-peen showoff

>>175298578
>useing steam

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>>175297985
>>there are people right now who play ironmeme
I don't anymore. Being unable to autistically fix AI borders kills me on the inside.

>>useing
how about you use a dictionary subhuman

>>175298569
It's just giving m8, don't need the "e" in there.

>>175298715
how else am I going to show off my playtime?

>>175298569
>but why? some of the bonus are total fucking bullshit even at normal difaculty
It never really bothers me. I like a strong France and I like a strong russia. Besides, you as a human player have so much more to offer than the AI, it would not be fair to take away any vanilla bonuses that they have.

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>starting off topic discussion because someone made a spelling error

>trade post limit in ck2

can expand it?

>>175299373
mouse over what limits it you subhuman nigger

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>>175299638

already found out my niigger

>>175299770
>>175299638
m'nig

>Kaiserreich in HoI4
>Union of Britain inexplicably turns into the United Kingdom
>UK doesn't join the entente

What exactly happened here...?

Jesus Chirst HOI4 is hideous

>>175300760
In what way? I find it looks decent enough.

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lmao what a fag

>>175300845
t. yohan

>>175300873
that is very self reflective of you

Somebody explain the merits of Colonel Edition of HOIV, Saw that in the dlc folder and my autism unfortunally demands it.

>>175301091
I don't think it has any meaningful benefit. A different forum icon and I think it comes with some of the visual DLC.

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Has anyone encountered such a situation before ? It's 1529 and colonialism hasn't poped yet

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r8 my budget

>>175302885

>ever touching the tariff slider

communism isn't allowed on gsg

>>175302885
literally retarded

>be daimyo of takeda
>letter from uesugi
>starting reading it
>your hands are shaking
>it's exactly what you feared:
>"sengoku"

what do?

>>175302965
you tax foreign goods to boost your own domestically so nationalists love tariffs

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>tfw cucked my son then his wife died giving birth to my new heir

>>175303119
Wrong. Atleast in the game, since your people always prioritize domestic goods over imported ones. In other words, with tarrifs you just make the lives of your people harder, since you are taxing them for things they couldn't help but import.

>>175303119

you're just fucking the poor and middle-class

>>175303208

having an ugly family tree is worse than blobbing

get out of this general

>>175303662
this desu

if you're family tree isn't a straight line gtfo

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>>175302885
>Having colonies as Germany
You faggot, you need to be sending Germans to Poland not Africa. Colonialism is a meme.

>>175267262
So I'm playing a WW1 mod for HOI4, and I managed to knock Russia out two years early. But on the flipside, I'm making 0 progress in the western front, even after moving almost my entire army there. I've taken half a dozen provinces, at most. Should I just keep hammering away? Should I get access from the Netherlands and widen the front, or is there something else I'm missing?

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God fucking damn it.

Why did it have to happen.
There goes my independence.

>>175303662
>>175304465
my son detected

>>175302965
I always raise tariffs to max when I have a world-class industry going. It's great for my economy, and fucks everyone else over if I have any monopolies. I've even managed to break the game from getting more money than the game can count.

>>175305194
Where are you at the Western Front? Did you at least get through Belgium?

>>175298876
The main reason I don't is because the servers are ass, and you can't play your save file unless shit is on lock.

getting btfo by horse archers

>>175305626
Haven't progressed at all into Belgium, just a few provinces past Alsace.

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Future Holy Roman Emperor.

>>175305854
Did you not Schlieffen yet or did the French stop you in Belgium?

>>175306059
I schleifened as hard as I could, but I only managed to annex Luxembourg.

>>175305251
>playing pre 1066
this is what you deserve

>>175306227
You couldn't beat the Belgian army? Wilhelm, I am disappoint.

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>>175306236
It would all be fine if this craven piece of shit went out of hiding and found a fresh breeding sow to make some babies.
Instead he spent like 15 years being a pussy and another 5 dying from consumption.

>>175305854
Operation: Cuck France

Step 1: Move most of your army to the border

Step 2: Have your army do pushups

Step 3: Make sure your division templates are upgraded

Step 4: Put your entire Western army under your strongest general and draw an arrow to get the planning bonus

Step 5: Press execute plan and win
Step 5.5: Move your troops manually to pretend that you are doing something and win

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Check out my heir, and the only dlc I dont own is the one that allows you to murder them.

>>175267817
thanks

>muslisms can't loot

what the fuck is this meme?

>>175306562
holy phuc dude pirate it asap

>>175306515
Do I do this before the war, or can I do it now?

Name some comfy vic2 campaigns to play and role play
Have recently done:
>GroB CSAiums plus west africa, mittel afrika, namibia as a settler colony
>Austria as the archduchy owning slovenia, trieste, sudtirol, and czechia in addition to modern austria, czech and slovene accepted by mod. Puppetted yugoslavia, hungary, galicia, romania, bulgaria, greece, took istanbul for myself along with jerusalem.
>GroB greeciums
>GroB japaniums with minimal GroB
>GroB belgiumiums

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tfw you declare war on the Ottomemes and find their entire army stuck on Rhodes

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Delicious.

>>175306891
>something as complicated as war plans
you can do it whenever you want goi, just make sure to have a supply surplus because pushups deplete supplies.

>>175306985

hoi4 isn't gsg pham, check the OP

>>175307043
I know this is a stupid question, but how do I tell when a plan is finished being planned?

>>175306985
Is that Kaiserreich?

>>175307250
Yeah

>>175307445
They did such a fantastically shitty job on the German focus tree that I don't even want to play it. Please tell me they're adding more to it or I will never play that mod again.

>>175307248
When the planning bonus reaches the maximun. Goi4 has a pretty good UI so you should be able to find out by hovering over the army group.

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They said Egypt could never be humbled.
They said Russia would never let me vassalize Byzantium.

Now they say nothing.

I need an unconventional settler colony country for vic2, country to settle colonies, not be settled

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haram

>>175307814
Yeah so far to my knowledge it's pretty awful.

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what a gay ass game