/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

FUCK YOU SPIDER NIGGER HAHAHAHA

Can we have the spiders back?

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How do you make the perfect 4x game?

Playing with some ideas for a mod.
I want to add modifiers to each of the different authority types so they matter for more than just leader lifespan.

I was thinking
>Democracy - +5% minerals due to free market economy
>Oligarchy - +5% research speed due to the administration raising the best and brightest above the plebs
>Dictatorship - +1 core world due to the ability to circumvent bureaucracy
>Imperial - +5% unity due to the sovereign's status as a symbol of the nation

Is this a bad idea?

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Gee, someone seems a little upset.

>>175122870
Tineye doesn't look for images "like" that, it only looks for that particular image with that specific hash.

>>175126483
10 years of nofap.
By the end of it you'll transcend your mortal body and become the ultimate grognard.

>>175126513
Shouldn't it be +5% energy credits due to free market economy?

>>175126513

I tried adding modifiers to authorities and it didn't work, did you find a way?

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The Last Federation, Firefly games and Trails of the Sky I guess 90% off this week.

http://www.gog.com/promo/20170424_weekly_sale

>>175126667
No, because the government still eats all your credits with taxes.
But at least the mining companies are productive.

>>175126702
Haven't tried yet, just assumed it would be possible.
But I guess that's my fault for thinking Paradox wouldn't hardcode something so important.

I'll take a look at the files and see if I can find anything.

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This looks pretty funny desu

What does /civ4xg/ specialize their Stellaris capital planet into? A tech hub? A mining center?

>>175126890
Usually consider changing it into a research planet once I colonize a 25 tile homeworld candidate

>>175126890
I usually end up using it for energy credits.
But I don't ever seem to produce enough research, so maybe I should start using it for that.

>>175126915
shoo
do we need to dox you again?

How many trait points do i need to become erudite, resilient and enduring?

I want to actually ascend.

>>175126890
Pretty much fill the blank tiles with empire-modifying buildings and other uniques and the rest with whatever their tiles originally provide.

>>175126513

Yes it's bad, almost all of your modifiers are fucked up.

Democracy should be bonus to core worlds; having a large state bureaucracy/state helps in management of large things. Single leaders cannot effectively manage an entire country if its anything more large or less shitty then N. Korea.

Oligarchy gives more wealth by concentrating it in the hands of the wealthy elite that run the country. Oligarchs can stand directly against science, but science shouldn't be tied to government type anyway.

Dictatorships should give a bonus to leader skill levels. While obviously in reality dictators can be shit leaders, in space game we'll just say that having one person in power means they're more effective then a team, especially since they've been serving their entire life.

I actually really like your Imperial one though, keep that the same. Nice to have a cultural leader types, like the monarchs of Britain.

>>175127923
>Dictatorships should give a bonus to leader skill levels.
Useless.

>>175127923
>Democracy should be bonus to core worlds
This works too, although arguably extreme bureaucracy implies some degree of inefficiency and/or decentralization. I will admit I pulled the dictatorship one out of my ass at the last minute because the only other thing I could think of was naval cap, but that implies a military junta.

>Oligarchy gives more wealth by concentrating it in the hands of the wealthy elite that run the country.
This is fine, but I'd rather boost minerals than energy. Can't quite articulate why but it just feels better to me.

>Dictatorships should give a bonus to leader skill levels.
I'm worried this would be too strong. I made all the bonuses small on purpose because I'm not a fan of mods that just give everyone massive bonuses for free. They usually justify it with "it's balanced because the AI gets them too :^)" but Pairadicks AI is dogshit.

>>175128302
Are leader skill levels useless?
I actually don't know a hell of a lot about the deeper aspects of the game, which is why I asked about this in the first place.

Anyway I'm gonna crack open the files and see if this is even possible before I invest any more thought into it.

>>175128302
>>175128610
Not him, but having leader levels at game start is ridiculously op. I think you can start with 3 and then get +2 admiral/general and +1 everything from things. Having level 5 scientists always is amazing.

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Why are Materialists so retarded?

>>175130751
Anything other then militarist/pacifist fanatic and then your ascension type is retarded. Materialists have robot ascension which is neither the best nor the funnest. So its the worst choice.

>>175130751

I'm angry that people like you STILL don't understand what Spiritual and Materialist actually mean. It's not space religion vs space fedoras, dumbass.

>>175131194
The dialogue options that Spiritualist and Materialist empires in the game have do very little in dispelling that perception.

>>175131194
>It's not space religion vs space fedoras, dumbass.

they are in game dumbass

>>175131194
Not theoretically, but they end up acting like that.

>>175131194
>Talk to a religious empire
>They ask if I've heard the good news.

>>175126353
So are we going to ignore the fact that the OP has a pony in it?

What's the point of a pacifist empire

>>175126513

Yes , but i think both imperial and dictatorship need something larger to make them comparable to the confy agendas ( and the ability to pick them every 50 years ) from oligarchy

and the FREE influence and boosts that may be more fitting to your empire every 10 years from democrats

I'd say that slavers Dictatorships and Imperioums should be able to get influence from slaves , total slaves or number of different enslaved species , but that sounds a bit harder to mod compared to your original suggestion

>>175132178
announcing reports is against the rules so yes
just do it and don't post about it

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>>175130751
>>175131194
>>175131252
>>175131329
>>175131372
>>175132001

>>175132280
>forcing us to use slaves
No.

>>175132338
what did he mean by this?

>>175132223
Liberation into your federation so you have hundreds of people in your federation. 1 for every planet. Vassalizing liberated planets and then enslaving them when you integrate them.

How butthurt will the universe be if I use forced labor to cull my slave pops? I wanna replace them with synths.

>>175132223
Gunning for science/unity and building your way to the victory conditions.

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wew, so unless I'm doing something wrong
>mods don't change the checksum
>authorities can't have country_modifier applied to them

Thanks a load, Pairadicks.

>>175132953
nice blog fur fag

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>get event chain to turn into intelligent ayys (old humans)
neat. I also got unique buildings

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>playing fanatic purifiers
>endgame
>already destroyed the unbidden and cucked the only remaining AE so hard that it's getting bullied by every shitter in the galaxy
>bordered on both sides by the two largest rival empires in the galaxy, they're both in a defensive pact and have equivalent fleets to me so I can't really do anything
>the one with the most powerful fleet suddenly guarentees some shitter's protection
>said shitter has no defensive pacts or other guarentees
>declare war on it then proceed to utterly rape my rival's empire freely while the other rival sits with his dick in his hands

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LOL this galaxy man

the earthlings are about to get thrust into the homeworld universe whether they like it or not

>>175133557
I wonder if this still triggers if you have intelligent and weak.

>>175133173
Are you gonna help me convince Pairadicks to make authorities moddable or are you just going to sit there and shitpost?

How do I modify save games? I looked up a tutorial but no matter what I try, it breaks the save. All I did was replace any reference to my founders species name to something else.

>>175126483

Get really good at dangling carrots at the end of sticks

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>have to keep playing musical chairs with slaves every time the equality faction forms
I suppress these faggots every time they show up but they just won't stop.

>>175126483
Take a Paradox game at the end of its development cycle. Something like CK2, but with pops and trade. And then add a campaign mode modeled on Sengoku Rance.

What is the best mod/combo of mods for Stellaris that give extra tech/traditions/resources/buildings/things to do outside of vanilla. I want to play tall, like 1/5 a spiral tall and not have to worry about running out of things to do while going on enslavement runs.

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>>175133682
You get the resilient trait instead.
I'm going to change just the humans on Earth to form an intelligent ruling class specialized for research.

>>175134142
CK2 has been shit since Rajas of India desu.

>>175134437
>You get the resilient trait instead.
Gross. Who turns themselves into ugly spiral heads for that?

>>175134545
>like

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god that's annoying.

the real price for human rape-slaves.

>>175134437
shit. I think it keeps the normal humans as my primary species if i dont modify all of them.
any way i can check/change it?

>Playing the Commonwealth of Man
>Be aggressive expansionist
>Be BOSS OF THIS GYM
>Everyone around me is inferior in every way or Pathetic
>Meet the UN
>They are inferior

WELCOME BACK BROTHERS.

Do the United nations Humans count as a different species than the CoM Humans?

>>175135206
yes

>>175135206
>>175135236
theyre a subspecies. they have all the same rights when you conquer them

>>175135206
Its like Khan vs humans. Theyre the same but different in little ways that you can tell.

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>playing civ 6
>Take Saladin's final city on the continent
>Make peace and take all of them
>Come back to the world map
>"Would you like to keep this city?"
Now it's occupied and Saladin wont cede it to me. Thanks Firaxis.

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Any reason I cant go here? I also cant go to any enemy fleets even when they are in my territory any idea why I mean im at war and even when they are in my empire I cant warp to them.

So how's your empire going?

>>175134987
hmm. maybe it did change.
Wont really matter unless I change my ethics later.

>>175135573
This exact problem happened to me with a system near my border with the Ix'Idar Star Collective, except we weren't even at war (yet).
One of my science vessels warped in to explore it, got destroyed instantly before I could even check what kind of hostile fleets were there, and then I couldn't warp in to the system ever again.

>>175135780
Keep restarting because unless I give the AI tons of bonuses I just curb stomp them at everything.

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>>175135930

>>175135357
>playing civ 6

>>175135357
just like real life desu

Is there a better looking slave race mod? I dont care about animations I just dont want fucking squids as domestic slaves.

>>175136192
around a squid hide your kids

>>175135956
So uh how did you fix it? Might be kinnda of a problem if I cant attack the enemy. I know I can beat them my fleet strength is like 4x bigger then them.

>>175136417
I didn't fix it.
I just loaded that save to see if I could enter the system now that it's inside my borders and I can.
But as far as I know it was inaccessible during the entire war despite not being in anyone's territory.

Weird ass bug.

>>175136837
The more I play this game the more it bugs out. The early game is very stable but the larger the map and the more fringe the case the more likely it is to collapse. Like hell this game ive had the crisis break my transports dissaperar as seen in the pic ships refuse to fire and now this really annoying.

>>175137263
This actually happened to me early on. I never play games far because I always get bored due to either an unwinnable war or an eternal cold war.

>>175137263
>a
Ive tried fighting the giant robot fortress and my ships would bug out going into its range then halfway and turn around to leave again. So I had to go invincible and waited 2 years and I couldnt control them or stop them from doing it.

>>175137428
>not suicideing during an eternal cold war
Thats half the fun, bringing the galexy to its knees because they try to stop you while you risk it all to take them out.

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Is there a mod that lets you choose who your potato servant race will be if you take that ethic? I don't like it being random.

>>175137556
Won't work if I only have defense pacts and didn't build enough science labs.
Plus warfare in this game is fucking terrible. Utopia has actually made me enjoy the empire-building quite a bit but I just see war as a tedious chore I need to do to acquire slaves. They need to add fleet caps and shit.

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>>175137428
i never play games far because after you get the biggest fleet with the biggest dick you've already won, but you still need to engage in hundreds of years of incredibly tedious curbstomp wars to get to the actual victory screen

>>175137886
Thousands of small fleets will be even worse.

>>175138024
Just go for the mindless tedium of winning through habitat spam.

>>175136163
It feels a lot better than it did at launch honestly. I'm almost finished with this game when before I could barely play an hour without getting a migraine.
Biggest complaint for me is the god awful minimap though.

>>175137556
>suddenly I'M the bad guy

>ships are refluffed to have 'gravity cores'
>need to orbit stars and planets to offload to equalize the gravity within the ship
>different systems with more stellar bodies can support more fleet
>when a system is overloaded with too many points worth of ships, they start to take damage from the gravity core pulling the rest of the ship into it or something, structural damage
>now you have to split fleets like armies in other Grand Strategy games

There you go, I fixed Stellaris.

Arthropod is the best portrait category.

>>175138879
Heres a simpler idea.
>Each admiral can only command so many ships without a combat penalty.
>If to many ships are in command under that admiral when they enter battle they suffer an increasingly severe stacking penalty
>Different ships give different stacking penalties screens like destroyers and corvettes give less capitols give more.
>The stacking penalty can be decreased by the skill of the admiral and tech.
I stole all that from darkest hour.

>>175138879
what an overly complex, stupid workaround
here I just fixed it, dumbass
>transport from star to star is throttled, takes much longer to transport bigger fleets (even if split and re-joined right after)

>>175138879
>>175139624
Oh boy, tons of irritating micro.

>>175139646
It would be nice, manuvering battleships to the side while corvettes attack from the back and cruisers take up most of the damage before they focus on corvettes. Combat now sucks.

>>175139772
I'd rather it not be even more tedious.

>>175137752
yes there is

Im kinnda bored of my current game its getting kinnda boring nothing is left to do and super large with 30 empires was a bit overkill. How fun is it to make everyone use hyperlanes?
>>175139772
God no I cant imagine the bigger battles. I DO HOWEVER wish that I could give better orders to my fleet or make them do clever things. As it stands destroyers stay to far back and only defend my BBs from missle and strikecraft attack while my cruisers and corvettes kamikaze. If I could give them orders that would be great. Hell let me give orders to my fleet as it stands both sides try and rush each other till its a swarm. I would like it if I could tell my fleet to chill back if I have better long range fighting ability.

Why is AI so bad at teching?

>>175139996
There used to be a mod for that.

>>175139772
>>175139624
That's fucking retarded. It's just a bunch of tedious micromanagement.

>>175139531
This is the right idea, but there needs to be a reason to not just make your smaller stacks follow your bigger stacks around.

>>175140296
I already put that in with what I said the key word there is combat. Even if you tried to game it and bring a bunch of small fleets when battle starts it checks how many ships are in combat not fleets or any of that just flat how many ships in battle.

>>175139772
>>175139624
>>175139531
>>175138879
The problem with breaking up doomstacks is that the smaller fleets will realistically need someone to lead them and Stellaris doesn't give you many leaders like it does in Darkest Hour.

Trying to make leaders more expensive and special was a mistake. It made no sense in EU4 and it makes no sense here.

All suggestions to change combat should inconvenience the AI as much as they do the player.

So I consoled to look at the swarm and holy shit are they pussys they spawn in 5 sectors each sector gets a whopping 15k fleet. Any decent power can easliy beat this. Why are crisis so fucking weak they should be a threat that unites the galaxy they are all so fucking weak when the swarm shows up it should be a 100k fleet at least. The unbidden should spiral showing up with a weaker fleet but should begin to drop anchors at an alarming pace reaching fleet sizes in the 100ks and if they truly snowball fleet size 1 million. Right now they are an inconvenience at best. Unless its the unbidden and they spawn right on top of you.

>>175140506
Ah, I missed that.

>>175140572
If they don't increase the leader pool and make admirals cheaper I will fix it in a mod and post the mod here and we can all be happy.

How often do you reach late game?

>>175141392
So far, 0% of the time.
I have never seen a crisis.

>>175141392
Id by late game you mean when the crisis shows up then 100% of the time. I usally quit after they die.

>>175141392
most of the time, after they're gone and after war in heaven there is fuck all else to do so I quit

>>175141392

I consider defeating the crisis or defeating an AE to be the end of the game because at that point I'm strong enough to rape everybody but I lack the necessary autism to spend 50 hours actually doing it

Are afterburners a meme?

>>175141852
Try to sync up the combat speed of all your vessels so the cruisers don't kamikaze ahead of your battleships
Have them blob, in short

So, in 1.6, Fanatical Purifiers don't need to have a Militarist ethos, only Fanatic Xenophobe.

>>175142164
what's the point

>>175142239
I guess just opening up additional roleplay options?

>>175142239

authoritarian purifiers
spiritualist purifiers
materialist purifiers
pacifist purifiers
egalitarian purifiers

>>175135573
>>175135956
>>175136417
>>175136837
>>175137263
YOUR FLEET IS SET ON EVASIVE YOU GIGANTIC RETARD.

>>175126883
> Order
Harmony already exists.

> Cybernetics, Biogenesis
Ascensions and technologies already exist, they hardly need more attention in shape of traditions. Besides, these are just technologies, hardly worth a tradition tree.

> Faith
Might actually be a good idea.

> Aspiration
Super vague. Sounds like Discovery by another name.

> Malice, Purity, Benevolence
Playstyle metas are hardly worth making into tradition trees.

>>175142431
>Pacifist purifiers.

I've played that game. Of course, you just build up Unity, then Ascend, then transition to Militarist to turn FP and start conquering the galaxy.

>>175142164
>>175142372
>>175142431
It'd be kind of neat to have a "Fanatical" civic for each ethos.

>Imperialist Warmongers (Militarist)
>Fanatical Purifiers (Xenophobe)
>Anarchist Revolutionaries (Egalitarian)
>Technological Ascendents (Materialist)
>Galactic Peacekeepers (Pacifist)
>Cosmopolitan Absolutists (Xenophiles)
>Hierarchical Architects (Authoritarian)
>Devoted Transcendents (Spiritualists)

All of which would have their "end game" goal.
>Conquer or otherwise subjugate all other civilizations, ensuring a carefully constructed eternity of war
>Kill All Fucking Xenos
>Outright dismantle all interstellar government (with yours being the last), reducing the galaxy to a community of perpetually free planets
>Reach the utmost limits of biological and non-biological power, reshape the galaxy according to your whim
>Ensure that no war or conflict occurs, whether it be by forming a pan-galactic super-state or just being interventionist
>Erase all notion of national boundaries on the basis of species; turn the galaxy into a single polity, or an otherwise united federation of equal nations
>Construct the most perfect state ever seen, a behemoth of perfect efficiency without a shred of chaos, with all (acceptable) sapient life in its proper place.
>Help your species (or all) reach their true psychic potential, becoming beings of pure will and subliming into the Shroud.

>>175143243
>>175143243
>>175143243
THIS!

>>175143243
Imperialist wouldnt really fit militarist. Maybe something like ritualistic combat instead.

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why

>>175143243
>>175143298
>Get unity and influence from winning space battles and happiness from winning wars; can make other empires (of any size) into "Gladiatorial Thralls" that automatically have research agreements with you, can enter into war with them for any time with a few constraints.
>No wargoals
>Wars must last at least 10 years
>Much increased influence and unity gain from space battles

>We already know what purifiers do

>Much increased ethics divergence, but consumer goods cost are almost null. Extreme energy output.
>New Wargoal; State Dissolution, causes all systems in the enemy empire to become their own nations.
>There's a chance of your state being forced to dissolve (via spawning of mass amounts of rebels and mutineering fleet ships) based on your relative size to the largest empire in the galaxy; if you're the last multi-system empire, this automatically happens at the end of a 10 year clock
>All dissolved one system empires automatically enter into a voluntary confederation, forming some kind of automatic mineral and trade network.
>There's no gurantee that they won't diverge and start conquering again

>Get access to singularity technologies after finishing either the Synth or Bio ascendency paths
>both result in the empire getting science from every pop they control, regardless of what they're working.
>gain access to multiple research slots per field

>Basically what it says on the tin; nothing too special besides diplomatic bonuses and so forth
>Exception being that unlike normal F-pacifists, Peacekeepers can use the "Intervention" wargoal on any empire currently in any war, or has been in war in the past 5 years.
>Winning forces that empire to be unable to declare any war for a decade.

(cont)

>>175144309
>he fell for the blorg meme

>>175144401
>Lots of migration and happiness shit, I don't fucking know
>Gain bonuses to unity, general economy, and happiness for each species in their empire that is at least 50% xenophilic, including empires they have migration treaties with
>Structures and edicts to increase attraction to xenophilia, as well as regular "liberation"

>No fucking idea for the Authoritarians, honestly

>Once they finish the psionic ascension path and start fucking with the Shroud, they can also get access to the "enlightenment" edict for planets
>Costs a huge upfront sum of influence and even unity, as well as a hefty energy maintenance, but gives massive boons to that planet
>also has an empire wide version that gives weaker boons at a greater absolute cost, but applies equally everywhere
>A planet, once enlightened, is "enlightened" forever even if you turn off the boons, unless it's annexed
>Once at least half of all your planets are enlightened, a transcendency special project becomes available (similar to the mass upload for synths)
>All pops are converted into not!Unbidden when finished
>gain access to psychic and dimensional ships
>more shit I can't be assed to think about this late

Help me, I'm so bad at Stellaris I get rekted by an AI.

I need some tips, I'm still new to the game.

>>175142619
oh my god that is so retarded
who thought it was a good idea to make evasive fleet stance give you a pathing error message

>>175144960
Evasive fleet stance is retarded in itself.
There needs to be proximity or pathing detection and not just system detection.
>Construction ship sitting in home system
>Haven't remembered to turn off evasive yet
>Amoebas warp in and sit at the edge of the system
>Construction ship flips his shit and runs away from the starbase

It's even worse when you forget to turn off evasive and amoebas warp in on a system where your construction ship is 90% done building a frontier outpost.

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>>175142619

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Never go full authoritarian.

>>175145960
Authoritarian
Fanatic xenophile
Behold the kingdom of new sweden

Is there any point to researching first contacts? AI empires contact you on their own and non-empire first contacts are mostly useless fluff.

>>175146108
You get influence for contacting first, so yeah it's really good.

>>175146064

>xenos are free
>native race in chains

how fucking long does it take to displace a pop?

>>175146543
10 yr

>>175146108
>>175146186
The non-sapient space-faring entities will never initiate contact either of course, and they can offer you some decent bonuses.

>>175145960
What is this from?

How long does it take for a primitive civ to advance between stages?

Do pre-sentients ever develop into primitive civs?

I really want to play as some vorlon precursors, but i'm finding that i'll have to cheat to get all techs to have the genetic engineering tech to uplift peoples and to genetically modify them.

OPINIONS ON https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=701432146
THANKS_

>>175147037
It's a bit memey but it adds some nice variety to how they behave.

>>175146979
Once they reach industrial they progress swiftly. Before that it takes such a long time that without outside influence it might as well never happen at all.

>trying to triggger end of the cycle
>its 2500
>and the galaxy is locked in a 3 way stalemate
nothign to do except watch the days go by

>>175146421
A-Australia?

>>175148426

>Implying you'd let these things roam free in a futuristic empire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yFJCDNq8Ws

>>175148518
their voices are worst fucking sounding thing in existence. If my ears could vomit they would

>>175148689
they sounds like an ordinary aussie to me t.bong

>>175134587
Perhaps the spiralheads are quiped and well equiped and very resilient if you know what I mean.

If I take the genetic ascension path, will I be able to modify my species for tomb world preference?

>>175143243
>>175144401
>>175144825

Love you lads. /civ4xg/ has had a lot of based ideas. I hope they eventually somehow make it to the Swedes, even if they ignore 90% of them and take 2+ years to implement the remaining 10%.

>>175148518
Dindu nuffin all white mans fault

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>no Patapon civilization mod

Should I enable fallen empire option? I turned them off because I'm still new to the game and afraid they would murder me when they awakened. And what would they do when they become awakened empire, kill everyone?

>>175150107
yes enable them, it's one of the only fun things in the game

>>175149473
10bux has a lot of ideas too but Wiz hasn't even posted there in two (2) weeks, I think he's dead

Stellaris is like crack

>>175150370
He posted on twitter 2 days ago. Also there should be a dev diary and a stream today.

Is there a mod like colonizable home system but instead of just making all the barren and toxic shits colonizable with FOR REASONS bonuses it instead adds one world near your starting type and one that's not? I like the idea of having planets to colonize in my home system when running pre-ftl but having 8 just seems busted as fuck.

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>Doing a Homeworld playthrough
>militarist/egalitarian/spiritualist
>inna comfy oligarchy with Karan Sjet as leader
>get the old god shrines quest
>ohboy.jpg
>take the spiritualist reward for banter
>makes me fanatical spiritualist 40k-tier Imperium
>eventually roll goat rng with the Shroud
>Karan becomes the chosen one God-Empress

Wew. The poetry is real.

VAYGR SCUM BTFO

Spiritualist VS Materialist which one is better?

>>175150540
Addictive but you know how shitty it is?

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>tfw too intelligent to win the war

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>doing an isolationist 'get off my lawn' Hivemind playthrough
>everybody hates my guts because hiveminds are spooky-tier
>just want to be left alone to build my dyson sphere, home system is fortified to fuck and back
>every few years a new war is declared
>hundreds of hostile ships get systematically dismantled around my system
>literally never showed an ounce of aggression towards anyone
>even the peaceful spiritualists join the crusade on ((not))Jerusalem
>i don't even say anybody's my rival, but i'm still everybody's rival

aliens get OUT

>>175151667

Shitty compared to what? I haven't played any 4x beside Civilization before and I am thoroughly enjoying Stellaris. I keep seeing Distant Worlds mentioned, if I enjoy Stellaris will I like Distant Worlds better?

>>175151757
>tfw to intelligent too have positive energy income

>>175151807
How much do you expand?

>>175151589
Unless you're going full tech, spiritualist gives better bonuses. It's kind of sad how underpowered materialist really is.

>>175132178
Well, everyone was whining about spiders...

So 3 of my neighbors are tied together in a defencive pact, is there a way to fight em one at a time?

I outpower two of them easily, the third is at equivalent fleet power, do i attack him and hope others will break the defence treaty?

Can they break the treaty anyway?

>>175152059
Starting in a ringworld system, so 4x25 planets. Only expansion I've done outside of that is frontier outposts, because fuck you get off my lawn

>>175151842

Nigga I literally just took on about 8 new worlds and over my system limit when I took that screen

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>Automated dreadnought right next to my starting homeworld

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>>175152483
>Infinity Machine next to mine

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>>175152483
>Curator enclave right next to my homeworld

>>175152156
What hurts it is just about anyone can go robot or gene splicing. Which maybe is okay, because limited it to only Materialist might not make any real sense. I'd even question that the unique quality Materialist does have - AI rights - should be given to Materialist exclusively. For example, as an egalitarian xenophile, I recovered the extinct species' databanks and restored them into droid bodies. Great, right? Nope, chattel slavery and no option to do otherwise.

It's honestly pretty difficult to give a materialist anything special, because they believe in the same things as just about everybody else - that science and reason are good - but they believe in them to an absurd extent. There isn't a whole lot of nuance to them, as making them too strongly fedora excludes the profit oriented materialists, so they're just sort of this dull ambiguous middle ground.

Maybe materialists could get a long term event chain, like nearly the entire game with several rotating events as generations are born and grow into adulthood and die, searching for their own meaning to the universe.

Because if the reason for existence is "what you make of it", maybe it would help for your empire's culture - not politics and factions, culture - to determine what that is. Which gives the opportunity for Ferengi style materialist, communist style materialist, science and tech style materialist, and militant atheist style materialists to all double down on completed traditions or, possibly, have your empire constantly be ambivalent on what their purpose is in an empty meaningless eternity and be more prone to ethos shifts as a result.

Yeah, that's a bit more than the other ethos get, but everyone else's reasons are pretty clear while Materialists' reasons are - by virtue of rejecting the objective meaning offered by spiritualists - subjective.

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>>175152483
>Xenophobic FE next to my starting homeworld

>>175151589

They're balanced terribly, so unless you want to go full FLESH IS WEAK, there's no reason to take materialist over spiritualist.

The resource income buffs are laughable, especially early-midgame (+100 energy vs. +110).

Meanwhile, spiritualists get not only a passive buff to ideological unity (thus getting more influence/happiness out of factions), they also get special snowflake buildings that buff not only their already Mary Sue-tier passive attributes, but also generate a fuckton of unity.

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>>175152483
>Advanced start slaving despots right next to my homeworld

I hate advanced starts so goddamn much.

What you'd expect is the Minbari - a sort of proto-Fallen Empire - but really all you get are a bunch of conquering assholes that got a head start and will almost always paint a giant blob on the map that nobody can really do anything about.

>>175153209
i just turn advanced starts off desu

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>>175153209
And if you don't use advanced starts every other empire are pathetic faggots that can't tech or conquer for shit. There is no middle ground.

>>175152912
Interestingly, Ferengi as a race are spiritualist. They may be unforgiving plutocratic capitalists, but they have an entire spiritual belief system based around making mad dosh.

>>175153343
See >>175153346

The problem isn't that Advanced Starts get a head start, it's that they become the only relevant empires at all in a short amount of time but are utterly a snore to interact with in the best of times and in the worst of times they practice what is more or less spawn camping.

A few unique Advance start quest chains or interactions would do WONDERS. Like they had been observing for a while now and, depending on their ethos, either consider you like the equivalent of Truman from the Truman Show after he left the 'set', or they treat you as a bunch of barbarians who cannot understand that them targetting your ships with their weapons without any warning was really just their way of saluting.

I mean I get it, they have a head start, but do something with that. Give them a personality beyond "that guy who has Superior fleet power for most of the early game".

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>>175150540

I wish I could get addicted to games like I did when I was a kid.

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>>175153682
You know what I mean, though.

Perhaps Weyland Yutani might be a better example. Soulless corperatists who play god, get burned badly, and then walk away from that experience laughing maniacally and ranting about how "WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A FORTUNE OFF OF THIS!"

Yeah, you can be a plutocrat oligarchy, and yeah there's a megacorp civic. But nothing really feels like your empire is run by megacorps. There's no events oriented around that theme of PROFIT and biting off way way more than you could ever chew.

>>175152912
I always found Spiritualist to be a more entertaining ethic in every way but god damn, Utopia felt like a "fuck you" to Materialists.

>Spiritualists get bonuses that make dealing with the new ethic system a lot easier
>and also get access to a unique ascension path that can give them super strong buffs, psionic rape avatars and unique techs
>AND a building that gives you more Unity
>materialists can gib rights
Like fuck, how hard is it to give them their own unique building? maybe do something fancy like making Synths exclusive to Materialists or giving them a better version. Right now I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything terribly interesting by not going Materialist.

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>>175153209

>What you'd expect is the Minbari - a sort of proto-Fallen Empire

It's really the biggest flaw with Stellaris, and something that can't be fixed with just a patch. Paradox is at their best when they go full autist and make >believable worlds that make you feel like you're part of an existing and concrete political landscape.

Distant Worlds is elder-god tier at presenting this in a sci-fi setting with having Vicky 2/HoI 3/EU IV start dates that drastically change the political landscape of the galaxy depending on your choice.

Ideally, Stellaris would do the same, for example;

>Vanilla start is how shit is now, (a few Fallen Empires, maybe some advanced starts, but everyone discovering ftl at the same time)

>Spess Napoleonic Wars, (you happened to walk on the galactic stage at a time when there's a fair few advanced empires trying to fuck each others' shit up in a massive coalition war, and you inevitably get caught up in it while trying to expand your empire

>Spess 30 Years War, (existing empires are divided into 2 main ideological groups and are trying to genocide each other. Early-mid game is the younger empires trying to stay the fuck out of the way)

>War in Heaven; Round 1, (advanced empires are trying to fuck up the Fallen Empires, but are losing.)

The problem with Stellaris is that the engine isn't optimized at all. Any pre-existing galactic politics/struggles inevitably means ships, which inevitably means lag right out of the gate. The balance between scale and performance is Stellaris' biggest weakness. It can't simulate a dynamic galaxy over an appreciable number of years without fucking up performance beyond repair.

>>175153827
Same here.
When I was a kid, I would spend hours just teleporting stuff in Startopia, and when I discovered you could teleport plants in the bio-pot, I was overjoyed

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>>175154034
It'd be nice if there were more inter-empire events. I really liked the Fleet Maneuvers concept, that you do x and it results in a neighbor being angry with you but you could hypothetically call it off and whatnot.

Right now your neighbors, even fellow Fed members, feel like they have no real personality and just sort of sit in their bubble of space waiting for a war.

Nobody talks to one another. You never learn about another species' quirks. Hell, except for those Gas Giant weirdos. That's another good example of a kind of event we need more of.

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>>175154034
To be fair they are improving the performance.
I get far less lag now than I did before banks/utopia.

>>175153936
Not just more unity, but boosts governing ethic attraction.
Just plop your starting pop on every new planet on a temple and you're good until you can upgrade your capitol. The imbalance between spiritualist and materialist is a symptom of the problem with the ethics wheel though. It's like the problem with egalitarian and authoritarian, they do two completely different things, when opposing ends of the wheel should do the same thing but in a different way.
>Egalitarian gives bonus influence from factions
>Authoritarian should reduce influence costs
Both options are viable and accomplish the same goal, they just provide a different experience while doing it.
And then there's the dissonance between egalitarian/authoritarian, and xenophile/xenophobe. That shit just straight up breaks the game. Then there's the fact that democracies and oligarchies are straight up better than dictatorships because they removed the bonuses that made dictatorships worthwhile in the first place when they revamped the system.

It's a mess.

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Playing any race other then based plantoids just fucking off yourself right now

Is there something special about the human home world that keeps me from building an observation post around it or is this a bug?

>>175154673
Stupid weed, go make like a leaf and fuck off

>>175154673
>not playing elves

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>>175154305

>Right now your neighbors, even fellow Fed members, feel like they have no real personality and just sort of sit in their bubble of space waiting for a war.

Tbf, that's been a problem with spess 4x games ever since even MoO and GalCiv. It's really fucking hard to portray credibly alien, but relatable ayy politics. The ethos wheel, for all of its flaws, has the potential to suceed here where other 4xs have failed. Paradox just isn't able to advance their own ideas at anything other than a snail's pace.

>>175154470

*blocks your path*

>playing fanatical purifiers
>"holy shit, it rally buffs the power of my fleet"
>find neighbor, attack
>trick the AI into leaving its spaceport and kill their fleet
>subjugate them and start purge
>chose to process them
>lots of food
>why even farms?
>replace farms with power plants, lacking energy now
>throw all conquered planets into a sector
>conquer another small empire a bit further away even easier
>since this is far away put it in another sector
>find advanced start AI, wait to build up fleet before attack
>while waiting all the xenos die
>all at the same goddamn time (great mechanics paradox)
>the sector that was far away disappeared
>turn power plants and mines into farms to prevent starvation
>since fleet cap dropped below what ships I have now, I decide its time to attack
>cannot take all their planets because warscore
>they surrender and become food
>except for three systems I couldnt wargoal and one system that separated from the others before my attack
>attack the one system leaving just a few faggots i cannot attack because truce
>soon after this I find a federation of 3 countries
>aka my next meal
>now my empire goes from galactic center to the rim, in a 800 star elliptic galaxy
>all this by 2260

seriously, fanatical purifiers is OP as fuck

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>>175154894

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>>175155269
cute moth >>>>> starfish

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>>175155368

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>>175155368
Batteur > moth.

Maintenant, la purification va commencer.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-70-the-adams-update-part-1.1017372/

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>>175156014
>While the code and content design team have been busy with fixes and improvements, the art time has not been idle either.

I need some guidance on how to write a good bio for Stellaris and I'm really bad at writing.

>>175156014
'Drain Stockpile' interaction that allows you to seize 75% of a sector's stockpiled resources
thank fuck

I am trying to prepare myself for a futile defence against an AE

Where to put my flower fortress trap?
First planet in or capital?

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>>175156093
It's all memes

>>175156121
You can also tax sectors by individual resource now.

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>>175156014

only the cute and fluffy shall survive

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>>175156281

>>175126353
Is my Irassian Precursor questline bugged?

I've only found 3 artifacts despite being 100~200 years and having explored every system desu

What's the best build for a spiritual empire looking to end the cycle.

>>175156134
Oh god please no, there got to be more than that.

>>175154894
That fucking face just kills me

>>175156786
You can type more but the box is cancer and often fucks up spacing. It's best to keep it as succinct as possible.

Why do slaves get happiness from a paradise dome?

>>175151828
Shitty compared to what it could be

>>175156989
The best way I can compare the two is that while DW may look bad and old, and has some problems it has a lot less wasted potential than stellaris.

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>decided to go xenophobe/spiritualist/pacifist space elves
>at some point I get a modded questline about the "orila"
>ends in changing my ethics to materialist, pacifist and xenophile
>already started going psionic and have the first ascension perk for it
Am I still going to be able to continue down the psionic "tree" or has this questline mod screwed me over?

>>175155446
We need to stop this slippery slope in the degeneracy, last day someone had a wet dream including molluscoids and now moths?

>>175157153
You're right. We should be having wet dreams about the geckos

>>175156934
in the dome they get whipped by a sexy mistress

>>175157116
Nevermind, answered my own question by making an extra save, researching all techs and cheating more unity to test it. Turns out you only seem to need spiritualist to take the first perk and transcendence only requires the previous perk. Not sure if The Shroud will work though.

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>>175157153
>he doesnt fap to moths

>>175157378
>generic anime girl face

If you are going to go degenerate, might as well go all the way

Here is my prediction on how they will 'fix' doomstacks
I predict that they will 'fix' it by just giving penalties to large stacks or if there is too many ships in one system
They won't actually do anything good, just make it more tedious to do shit

>>175157482
>He doesn't know

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>>175152483
>Wraith anywhere near my sensor range

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>>175157536
doomstacks have been a problem in 4x games forever

the only way to solve them is to make it necessary for players to have military forces in several places at the same time, forcing them to split the stack

but yes, devs tend to add either limitations or penalizations

>>175157482
if anime makes you butthurt get off 4chan

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So I'm just in the middle of a war in heavens, I was able to capitalize on a AE-AE stalemate fight so I dumped my main fleet on the remainder and was able to cripple the main fleet and occupy their capital and main production systems, but now I've got the fucking tron people from hell knocking on my doorstep, immediately churning out 3-4 50k stacks of their weird ships. Wat do, am I bonered? I've only got around 65k worth of fleet power myself at this point.

>>175157884
>Main production systems
AEs get like +200% to minerals and energy during the war in heaven just so you know

>>175157884

Teh unbuddies are harder than AE in my experience , their ships have no armor but huge shields , the portal itself has like 200kh and 80% mitigation from armor

Tl:dr : its all ogre

>>175157810
You should have stat limitations to doomstacks, coordinating a fleet of 200 corvettes is no easy task and even having independent crews, moving them around in space while shooting is even harder than making sure they don't just fucking collide with eachother
Then again, it shouldn't depend on the number alone, formations should be added to the fucking mix, so a snake formation would have different maluses than a parable
It's not somethign that is intuitively easy to balance, but where there's will, there's a way

>>175158025
The aggressor didn't really expand well enough, he only had maybe 4 systems that actually produced any ships and I've occupied them all.

>>175158129
My 200 corvettes all have superfast AIs or preco AIs, I'm sure they can deal.

>>175156130
Do AE always attack other empires?

>>175158129
the xeno scientists studied the behavior of fish schools and applied it to corvettes

>>175157378
>fapping to a yandere

>>175157810
>>175158129
Honestly, I would not mind at all if they just like, stole the way Land combat from Hearts of Iron 4 and used it for The Space shit in Stellaris
Or even something that worked similar to that, considering that they said, they want to find a way to make managing lots of fleets less micro intensive it makes sense, at least on paper

>>175158083
*Unzips arc emitter*

>>175157810
>weeb with a persecution complex

I was just saying if you are going to become a disgusting xenolover, might as well go the full mile, not everything is an excuse to dump your chinese cartoon folder

>>175158519
1 dmg

>>175158424
Attack?

They annex your shit if you dont accept to be a vassal when you ask them

>>175158706
>you ask them
they ask you

>>175158456
>Stellaris
>micro intensive fleets
What?

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>>175158532
>literally gets mad over anime
>"no you have persecution complex!"

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>>175158824
>weeb with persecution complex also reflects this by showing 'white persecution'

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>>175158904
>so butthurt he resorts to pop psychology

buy some cream for you anus anon, seems like it is burning

>>175158819
They mean they want to reduce the micromanagement involved in maintaining multiple fleets.

>>175158440
Whereas fishes use a medium to regulate and tune their behavior to, no such medium exists in space
>>175158293
Enjoy all those counter measures m8

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>>175158904
If you unironically can't stand anime, what are you doing on an anime website?

>>175159170
>medium
EM-waves need no medium

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>two butthurt people arguing over who's more butthurt

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>it's a "some mod is making traits not work at all again" episode
god
DAMN IT
>>175159235
>basing your entire navigation system on something that can be easily perturbed
bad joke

>>175159170
Behind my 200 corvettes are more than a hundred cruisers and destroyers, and a few battleships, too. I'm sure they can deal.

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>>175159282
>who's more butthurt
its obviously the anime hater who is in 4chan

>>175159162
>maintaining multiple fleets.
>Stellaris
What?

>>175159392
>warrior culture
yeah, because land armies are that useful

>>175159392
What a comfy ruler.

What's wrong with doom stack? Why do people want to micro manage many smaller fleets?

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>>175159392
>roman
>burbs

>>175159431
Thats the point.
They want to fix doomstacks. Other than imposing penalties or ship caps that means fixing the micromanagement problem.

>>175159512
what would you pick?

>>175159587
space roman eagles not to your taste?

>>175159392
What's the politically adept trait? What mod adds it?

>>175159767
Distinguished Admiralship, increases fire rate of ships, so they have more dps

>>175159805
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=681816257
This mod adds that trait.
>>175159829
that's definitely better but i was going more for flavor

>>175159613
But there is no micromanagement problem in Stellaris because there is no micromanagement.
You just throw your doomstack at the enemy doomstack and watch them beat themselves automatically with zero input.
If anything Stellaris NEEDS micromanagement.

>>175156134
Agrarian is non-synergetic with Agrarian Idyll because it buffs your food production so that you need to build fewer farms. If you're taking something which rewards having a lot of farms, you don't want to have something else which reduces the amount of farms you need to build. Your advantages undermine one another.

Pick industrious instead.

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Rate, suggest improvements and etc.

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>>175159767
>burbs
>roman

>>175160039
btw does individual planetary food production affect growth rate of populations on that planet?

>>175160057
If you're picking meritocracy you might as well get talented in as a trait for day 1 3* leaders.

I dunno if wasteful is there for RP, but if you're trying to be meta it's a much worse pick than sedentary etc.

>>175160392
Well, space birds, wasteful did make sense and would make more sense than sedentary.

Replace strong for talented, huh?

>>175159512
Min maxing go and kill yourself

>>175160271
I don't believe it does anymore, but this is just from hovering over the growth bar and reading the breakdown.

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>>175160136
Romans were massively furry for eagles, my dude.

>>175126883
What mod is this or is this like 1.6 stuff?

>>175159963
>Stellaris NEEDS micromanagement

Why?

>>175160057
venerable is just too expensive, pick enduring and drop nonadaptive

>>175160467
>Replace strong for talented, huh?
I don't want to shit on your RP, but if strong doesn't matter too much to you then I'd drop it. It's a decent trait and all but meritocracy+talented is just too good/fun.

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>>175160497
But were they eagles, my buddy.

>>175160757
They wanted to be.

>>175160575
>implying nonadaptive is bad

it's really not, its basically free trait points

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Japan need to discover RTS.

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>>175160805
But were they?

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wtf is the scaling on these guys?
how can they afford a 500k power fleet

>>175161083
Fallen empire.

>>175161159
so? do they get a 400% fleet cap?

>>175161187
Yeah, they'll have like 2-4 planets but they'll be leagues ahead of you.
Better technology, better ships, better buildings.
They don't do anything unless you piss them off so it's nothing to worry about.

>>175161187
No, they just ignore it like everyone else who is insanely wealthy.

>>175161346
they awakened and joined the biggest federation, so they are invincible

Favorite 4x games that aren't Stellaris?

>>175161482
Did a crisis happen or war in heaven?

>>175161562
crisis, no war in heaven

>>175161662
Probably just banded together to get rid of it, they'll probably be defenders of the galaxy or something.
That federation can no longer go to war now.

>>175161732
yea the game is stuck in a stalemate

>>175161879
If only there is technology victory.

>>175161546
Stellaris

>>175162187
Really? I prefer Stellaris

>>175162220
Fuck off retard, Stellaris is better

>>175162384

>Thinks Stellaris is better than Stellaris

>>175162087
Victory conditions don't end the game though.
If the AI wins through technology I can still continue and conquer them.

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would you guys play a rts/4x about fallout universe?

>>175159963
No anon they don't mean that type of micro.
To reinforce multiple fleets if they were a thing you'd need to go to a fleet, set rally point, and queue ships from every shipyard. Eu4 even before it let you recruit directly from armies had less micromanagement than this because armies autoreinforced from manpower.

If paradox wants to remove the viability of doomstacks they need to fix this micromanagement problem before it even becomes a thing, otherwise people will just mod it back to the old system because the new system is unbearably tedious.

>>175162726
Let a somewhat decent developer buy fallout from bethesda and give us a proper base management game. Not mobile trash and cash in copies based on mobile trash

So how good is Endless Space 2 gonna be?

I'm kind of disappointed we're only getting 8 factions again, but I'm glad they're all different races this time. Having half the factions be humans and the other half inexplicably random weird alien/fantasy races in the other games was really stupid.

>>175162726
no

In terms of genre, the series is fine where it is as an FPS

>>175162918
It's good

>>175161546
imperium galactica 2
endless space 2

>>175162726
A City Builder game might work better, more of a focus on getting a working settlement up and running in the horrors of the Wasteland.

Kind of like Clockwork Empires but not shit. Or maybe Rimworld.

>>175162741
The problem is that Stellaris doesn't have enough content already, so reducing the little the player is expected to do is going to make the game more boring.

>>175163281
Except it wont be because they want to make you have more individual fleets to manage.

>>175163335
And how exactly do they expect that to happen?

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>>175152483
>1K+ pirates in every system with a good planet near me

>>175163647
You have to ask wiz

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>>175163784
>spawn next to a fallen empire who hates me

>>175163832
I am going to assume they are starting the house with the roof then.

>>175161546
SMAC

power overwhelming
operation cwal
black sheep wall

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c2c for civ vi complete with fixing the game when

>>175163165
just mod dwarf fortress for that

i think a fallout mod already exists

>>175164757
the graphics are too shit for me to bear

Is Cutthroat Politics worth it when you get a second civic point?

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>>175165131

>>175164919
I remember them.
Do you remember the quotes, too?
"You call down the thunder,
Now reap the whirlwind.
Keep it up, I dare ya.
I'm about to break my aggression inhibitors!"

>>175165146
This isn't an answer to your question but your post made me remember I got a civic point that I forgot to use over 50 years ago, thank you.

>>175165146
That's really a civic that's best to start with because it allows you to landgrab with an extra outpost early. Think of it also like giving a free tradition because with an extra outpost you're less likely to have to take supremacy early.

>>175165253
my fader always whatch me playing, i would get shy if he saw me playing a game with such shitty graphics.

>>175165341
>have sli 1080ti's
>spend my time playing smac and stardew valley.

>>175165341
>literally underage

>>175165468
This is the patrician experience
AoE II too

>>175165341
>still having a father
>a father that cares enough to watch what games you're playing
I'm jealous.
;_;

>>175165341
Underage b& gtfo when

>tile blocker cleared