/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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>create another fanatic purifier human faction so I'm not completely alone and have some friendlies to talk to
>by the time I reach them during late game the only control 50 of their 300 pops
>they were divided by their 4 neighbor empires, everyone controlling huge parts of their former empire, all those humans live either subjugated or in slavery and even the empire itself is a vassal to a huge federation
>I have to save them!
>only can buy one of their planets during the war with the warscore due to other, more important strategic points
>welcome them with open arms
>they immediately create a xenoist factions, something that has not existed in my empire for 200 years since everyone here knows how dangerous and repugnant xenos are
>the huge majority of them are xenophiles

I will guide them to the light

Also
>have to fight slave human armies

Those xenos will be purged so hard

Is it rape if the victim is nerve-stapled?

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>Buy Utopia
>Unpause the game at any speed
>Pan the camera with middle mouse
>A single CPU thread overloads and stellaris starts stuttering like crazy
I hate Paradox sometimes

>>175196646
Multithreading? What's that?

>>175196520
That's actually a good question. That probably depends from the nerve staple's setting. Is she programmed to feel pain or bliss?

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kek

>>175196520
Is genetic restructuring rape?

>>175196874
I don't get it.
I thought it was a Star Wars joke at first, then I thought it was Dwarf Fortress.
Turns out I have no idea.

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>>175196313
Please rate my spiritual space cats.

Will give them a bio in a while.

Obvious Lovecraft references to the Cats of Ulthar and Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath / Celephais being obvious.

>Galleys from the port of Celephaïs go everywhere in the Dreamlands, but especially to the cloud-kingdom Serannian, reaching its harbor by sailing into the sky where the Cerenerian Sea meets the horizon.

I just thought that would instantly make them Spiritualists, and since this is going to be my second game (I played Fan. Materialist + Egalitarian Technocracy first) I thought I'd make them a polar opposite of my first faction.

What do you think of the traits combination? Should I change something?

>>175196313
I'm glad kumo swapped her disgusting spider form for a human one in the novel

>>175196934
It's only rape if you turn the entire male population of the conquered species into cute traps.

>>175196646
> Completely independent space systems with full data separation and zero interaction between any objects outside of system
> Single threaded

>>175196874
Reminder that references are the lowest form of humour

>>175197037
Please don't put your dick in the spider.

>>175197018
It's boatmurdered

>>175197179
I don't remember boots being relevant in boatmurdered.

>>175195338

You use the gov that reduces clear blocker cost

it goes from 100 to lets say 75 , you press clear and it consumes 75

then remove the gov , price goes back to 100 , cancel the project and the game will refund 100 instead of 75 ( amount spent )

at the end you win 25 minerals , that is about one month of production early game

>>175196520
You can only deny consent if you can give consent, so no, it's ethically equivalent to fucking a fleshlight.

Why does that spider look like a Pikachu?

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>>175196874

0.50x habitable planets or 0.25x?

>>175197292
That'd just be DF in general

>>175197310

It also counts as rape if the person cannot consent , rapist kun

IE : putting dick in sleeping girls

>>175196520
If you're at the point where you're nerve stapling people I doubt you really care about the ethics of rape.

>>175197018
Dorfs.
They dig greedy.
They dig deep.
They tantrum spiral over the dumbest shit.

>>175197395
I thought Boarmurdered fell because of smoke throwing everyone in tantrum?

How many people work on Stellaris? Is it just a rag tag team of 5 bored paradox employees? Why is nothing finished? Why can some basement dwelling modder do more than a whole team?

>>175197445
Sleeping girls have the capacity of giving consent via being awoken.

You can't un-nerve-staple a person, and as such they are a sub-animal non-person bereft of rights.

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>>175197596
>You can't un-nerve-staple a person

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> It's not rape if they're unconscious, nerve stapled and incapable of consent
Gee I wonder who the rapists are in this thread?

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>>175197134
>>175196683
Somebody should tell paradox about multithreading cause I'm dying on my fucking 4970k

>>175197747
I'd betray XCOM for that.

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>alien monsters will never exert their overpowering advantages by making an example and broadcasting themselves defiling your ambassador
>your civilization will never be integrated into their biological machinery with in-depth descriptions

>>175197798
Threading ain't easy chap. However there are some handy tricks such as making sure user input functions independently of program state and dumping the video processing to its own thread.

Beyond that threading is a nightmare unless you explicitly program it from the ground up. Space battle has an advantage here because there's no reason for systems or battles to ever interact with one another. Independent data makes threading easy.

>>175197747
>human intelligence (or greater)
But if it has greater-than-human intelligence then by this logic you're raping yourself by having sex with it.

>>175198089
>Threading ain't easy
t. computer science sophomore

>>175198296
> Hurr I just spawn threads and it works
t. liberal arts freshman

Please post suggestions for balance changes and changes to techs, traditions, etc.

I'm collecting suggestions for a mod.

United Empire - militarist, materialist, authoritarian

Does this fit?

>>175197747
Giving consent is only meaningful if they can deny consent.

Being unable to give or deny consent in any manner makes them non-people.

>TL;DR: You can't rape a rock, bed, or corpse, among other things

>>175198724
Hi paradox.
Fix planet shielding.
Fix army modules.
Fix missiles.
Fix nig nogs stealan muh ancient discovery quest lines.


KKTHX.

>>175197034
>no bio

unrateable

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>>175198915
> She can't deny consent if she can't give consent

>>175199457
This pretty much. Killing a girl and ducking the corpse isn't rape.

It's murder and subsequent necrophilia, which are both ethically terrible, but it's not rape (phillisophically speaking; its probably still defined as rape for legal reasons)

Similarly, turning an individual into a sub-sapient servitor and fucking them isn't rape. It's effectively murder and turning them into a zombie, which is ethically terrible, but it isn't rape.

Reminder that there's nothing wrong with having sex with animals

How important is tracking on torpvettes?

can you build a viable all-frigate fleet?

>ally losing a battle
>if my fleet in the same system can reach him in time, we'll have more fleet power
>there's a research station along the route to the battle
>my fleet decides to destroy that first
>we lose the battle
FUCK YOU PARADOX

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Do the slaves in a syncretic evolution civ get the psionic trait too? I don't want the filthy plebs becoming psychic

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>>175197747
>>175197904
>human upper body and face
S H I T
H
I
T

>>175201184
They're functionally the same as a standard uplifted strong prole race.

>Late game, pancaked accross galaxy, slowly conquering smaller empires
>Suddenly Unbidden in my space whilst I'm collecting another empire
>Oh it's on
>One Long War later....
>Finally, now back to conquering everyo-
>HAK HAK HAK

>it's a transport fleet gets intercepted by a single corvette and is stuck forever episode
Never thought I'd say this but I miss DW's ship builder.

What do the Prethoryn say?

>>175201427
Transport ships should really get a gun or two, not enough to really fight engage in fleet combat but enough to deal with lone corvettes and other things that lock them in combat for years. Transport ships in ww2 had them.

>>175201561
if you're psychic you can have a conversation with them.

They're running from something that almost wiped out their race, jumping from galaxy to galaxy eating everything in order to build up strength

>>175201674
Is there an album of all their translated speech?

>>175201729
Theres one floating around, might be worth searching /r/stellaris

>>175201674
That's fucking spooky.

>Play Spiritualist, get Transcendent perk
>Come accross AI remnant of species who uplifted you long ago
>"Will you accept your destiny and protect the galaxy?"
>Sure why not
>ethic switched to xenophile materialist pussyfest
>wtf no, no fuck that-
>Psychics with synthetic buddies, together we will liberate the shit out of everyone!

And that's how my empire is 49% robots, 35% psychic space elves, and the rest assorted immigrants.

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>those defenses

you are like little baby

let me show you how it's done

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>>175202143
*expands*

>>175201820
>reddit search is caps sensitive
w e w

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>>175202143
> Battleship
> Any size of weapon that isn't L/XL

>>175202539
>not putting bb guns on your artillery fortifications
>not putting howitzers in the trash

>>175202539
Is it fair to say Aqua prefers battleships while Kazuma is a corvette at best?

>>175202748
>>175202539
SAGGY TITS

>>175196391
white men

>>175197798
M8 I have the same cpu and it runs fine. I do games with minimum 2k systems and at least 20 AI Empires.

>>175198915
Underage people can't give consent, and yet you can still be charged with rape against them.

Animals cannot give consent, yet it is still a crime to fuck them. Unless you're Canadian or German, in which case you are legally encouraged to fuck animals. Germany has goddamn horse brothels, and apparently it's not illegal to make your daughter fuck a dog in Canada.

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>>175196313
Is there any way to get more than 3 civic slots?

I've seen screenies with 4 of em.

Are humans supposed to be extremely adaptable? I feel we would be able to do just fine on an alpine world. Look at the Swiss.

>>175203291
Plentiful traditions mod adds a tradition tree that unlocks an additional civic

>spiderman atacks again

>>175196520
What is nerve-stabled even supposed to be?

>>175203181
>Underage people can't give consent,
Well. They actually can. However if you want to talk LEGALLY only the parent can give their consent.

>>175203181
>people think the Germans have ever been the superior race
Its truly bizarre.

>>175203181
Welcome to the world of social justice positive consent where you must obtain written consent in triplicate authorized by a notary from any girl you wish to fug or you risk having your life ruined from erroneous rape accusations.

It's also worth noting that what constitutes "underage" differs from state to state and country to country. So it's all legal fuckery and not some universal rule as above.

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>Wormhole is removed in the next versions

>>175203408
I dont even think they can

>>175203591
Why would they do that

>>175196391
Based and white.

>>175203662
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/67w64t/stellaris_4272017_design_talk_observer_notes_not/

>>175203346
I changed humans so that adaptable is the only trait they have. As you say, it makes perfect sense.

>>175203609
That's why it's called "statutory" rape. Because there's a statute I.E. a written law that automatically declares it rape.

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>>175202306
>auto-cannons
>no afterburners

>>175203291
Unless civics get improved, who needs more than 3

>>175203609
Depends on the state.
Some states say it's fine with parental consent.
Texas has an actual common sense law where an adult can fug a teen within 4 years from their age, there might be a caveat that they had to be in a relationship when one of the two turned 18 but at any rate this gets around the usual legal bullshit of high school relationships where they were already fugging before one turned 18 and it was totally fine, but then one turns 18 and suddenly it's verboten.

>>175203346
>>175203735
Nomadic strongly fits our history and evolution, but you could argue modern humans are sedentary.

>>175203609
Many states have "if the parents allow it" laws for any relationships under the legal limit. But even those laws have their own limit.

In some places the parents can approve of 14 year olds banging but most folks rightfully don't want grand kids when their own kids aren't even old enough to get jobs.

>>175203346

World types are there for balance, not realism. You can find every single world type besides tomb somewhere on Earth.

>>175203838
This.

Also who the fuck uses battleships for short range?

They're meant to be sniper ships.

>>175203767
Yea just saying parents cant give consent

>>175203927
Yeah, nomadic doesn't fit at all. If there is any doubt, there is no doubt.

>>175203976
>You can find every single world type besides tomb
Just you wait senpai.

>>175203976
I wish they based planets off of what was in the atmosphere or something instead.

>>175204003
Nomadic fits well. It can just be swapped with Sedentary if you want.

>>175203976
So what youre saying is
Earth is gaia?

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>>175203976
> He can't find tomb type on earth

>>175203713
I actually agree with those changes, the FTL and galaxy map design doesn't suit techs that different.

>>175203713
>Borders probably shouldn't be like they are now, and you'll build something like frontier outputs to "claim" systems now
Oh boy everything except tall faggotry is completely impossible now.

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>>175204072

>>175204127
Neither Nomadic or Sedentary fit well. They fit, but only as much as Natural Sociologist, Natural Physicist, Strong, Repugnant or any other trait does.

>>175204221
>this won't ever be destroyed
Actually impossible to expand without war.

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>>175203976
>>175204072
We already have tomb though

>>175204195

Possibly. Maybe Earth is gaia and when we meet ayys they come from some shit hole that is 90% desert or a giant ice cube with a thin band of habitable space at the equator.

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>Playing F. Purifiers
>Get lucky af with starting area, 25 colonizable world nearby
>Tonnes of wealthy systems everywhere
>Already producing 20 energy and 50 mins
This galaxy isn't ready for me.

>>175204196
Real life Chernobyl is a flourishing nature reserve thats mostly safe for humans to move back in.

>>175203713
>What they're thinking is making Hyperlanes the primary or only FTL, but making the map grid more dense with the caveat that there are "levels" of lanes that require advanced tech.
Someone post the Hyperlane bullshit images, because this is full retard.

>>175204397
I know a guy who actually went there recently and they hard cap how long you can stay there.

>>175203713
Ever since they changed core planets to core systems I've thought they should make border expansion like sector assignment. You spend a small amount of influence based on the distance from your nearest world to claim the system. If you claim a system that another empire has it results in a contested system, relations hit with that empire, and provides a wargoal. Core system count would be drastically increased of course and it provides flexibility so you could feasibly ignore mediocre and empty systems and have access to 10 or 15 core planets from the start.

>>175203713
>change borders
Good. Current border is bullshit
>restrict to hyperlanes as default
Bad. Hyperlanes are lame and gamey. Warp should be default

>>175204721
>You spend a small amount of influence
So expansion is only viable for democracies and everyone else can get fucked in the ass because influence gain is extremely slow for everyone else but especially dictatorships and imperial.

>>175204771

>start with warp
>have to "upgrade" to an objectively worse engines

Nah, starting with hyper than discovering warp makes more sense on a technological scale.

>>175204418
Hyperlanes only become a problem when you mix it with other types though. I only play hyperlane only games and never run into the memes that other people post.

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>>175203713
>>175204418
>>175204771

>>175204385
But then what is continental?

>>175204893
Continental is dumb. They should just change it to temperate. Every world in a way is continental, ours is just separated by ocean.

>>175204838
Hyperlanes doesnt even make sense on any scale. Having warp be an "upgrade" is like i said, gamey

>>175204840
Hyperlanes are a problem when they require you to circle half the fucking galaxy to get to a system next to another one, which does fucking happen.

I've played several Hyperlane only games. They are INCREDIBLY tedious and boring and hellish. Everything is unbearable slow, especially if you're wide. Fuck making Hyperlanes required. The game would only be tolerable with a Jump Drive as starting tech mod.

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>>175203713
So basically in 4 years time when another 4 DLCs are out the game might be worth looking at?

>>175204893

It's a lazy meme, every single rocky planet is continental. Prairie or maybe Pangaea would be good replacements for continental.

>>175204781
Obviously they'd fix the fucking retarded authoritarian balance. But also it would be a two way street. Democracies would have to spend influence to claim systems to achieve mandates to get more influence. I'm also talking extremely minimal levels of influence investment, like 2 base cost. And really with this system they'd eliminate frontier outposts in their current form.

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So why are they suddenly wanting to remove FTL choices? This is one of the few things that make different playthroughs actually feel different. Please no.

>maybe making static defenses stronger, at the cost of fleet power
YES
OH GOD
YEEEEEEEES

>>175205032
Just add an advanced tech that allows artificial lane generation
problem solved

>>175203132
Literally any size system and the game starts chugging when the camera moves

>>175205038
This is paradox. What do you expect?

>>175204771
>Good. Current border is bullshit
>Have to build a frontier outpost in every single system to claim it, meaning it's impossible to get more than like ten systems.
>Wide is thus impossible
>AI can settle right in the middle of your borders because you didn't build a frontier outpost in some random system.
>These frontier outposts can't be destroyed, so you have to declare even more wars to dislodge them, or to expand at all after a certain point
What fucking part of that is good?

>>175205038
Most of those changes are bad, they're making the game worse, funny enough.

>>175205220
Come 2300 my fastest speed is slow, that's the only chugging I notice. 16mb RAM and 1070 playing at just under 4k.

>>175204970
>>175205048
It seems to be a refernce to MoO where a continental is earth and gaia is a really amazing earth.
Paradox just copied the names but had no idea what they meant

>ships with T1 mass drivers have noticeably more power than ships with T2 lasers
Are lasers shit?

>>175205234
You are right and I should not whine. This is why I stopped paying for their shit, after all.

>>175205295
On a few things I agree. The army change sounds needed but it is very unprofessional that they let it ship in a state they are clearly not happy with. Again, this is why I take all their games and DLCs for free, though.

>>175205295
Yep, in usual paradox fashion they're changing the right things but making the changes in the wrong way.

Even though they've added shit since launch the overall balance feels like it's tumbled off a cliff.

>>175205196
>Advanced tech
>Only able to change in the late game when everything is over
Fuck no.

>>175205245
Obviously they need to find balance but as of right now borders favour wide 200% so im ok with it swinging back the other way

>>175205054
>Authoritarian
That's not the issue. Not everyone who is Imperial, for example, is authoritarian. Only fixing Authoritarian fucks over that authority even harder.

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>>175203713
>What they're thinking is making Hyperlanes the primary or only FTL

>>175205561
>Obviously they need to find balance
It's Paradox.

>>175205245
>I have no reading comprehension
It doesn't say you have to build a frontier outpost.

>>175204771
I'm not crazy about hyperlanes but they seem like the only way to add "geography" to the map. As it is right now, 2/3 of empires can just drop right on your capital.

>>175205561
Also tall is a meme, so fuck anything favoring it.

>>175205380
Earth has many climates, but not all climates are created equal.

Our deserts may be large but are mostly barren and thus not great for desert people.

Our Ice is literally melting today so it's shit for ice people.

There are some mountains but the only really great mountains are the himalayas so that's not much.

But wow we have lots of ocean and cool grassy land. So of course it's going to be pretty damn good for grass land or ocean people.

That's why every race has SOME habitability across most worlds and not 0.

>>175205582
Im pretty sure in stellaris authoritarian refers to exactly that though. It does make people confused

>>175205532
>Tier 3 is late game

But anyway maybe you hyperlane complainers are playing the wrong game. Nobody who plays EU or Vicky complains that to reach Japan as England you have to sail around Africa before someone builds the Suez canal.

>>175205763
>comparing circumvigating obstacles like a fucking continent to space

Is Syncretic Evolution good?

>>175205756
It does not. Look at Great Britain. As much of a police state as they are now, they are a democracy that also has a queen who is theoretically head of state. A non-authoritarian imperial authority would look like that, maybe with a little bit more royal muscle flexing. It's realistic and viable, and needs to stop getting fucked over.

>>175205745
You know what they need to do? Make tiles have their own biome.
Why else would tiles exist?

>>175205756
Stellaris authoritarian means "has slaves", it has fuck all to do with authority.

>>175205164
Hyperlane memers whining.

>>175205848
>Circumnavigating the fabric of the universe isn't like circumnavigating continents.

People like you are why we'll never cheat Einstein.

>>175203713
>Considered something like combat width/maluses that come from super stacked fleets (maybe targeting or tracking starts to fall off with fleet size? Friendly fire was brought up but I'm not sure if Daniel was joking.
How many times does it need to be explained to these fuckheads that that cannot fix the problem with doomstacks, holy fuck.

>>175205763
Hyperlane isn't even considered the 'default' FTL right now, faggot. Warp is.

>>175205853
Cmon now, the power lies in the pm who is elected, for stellaris purposes, current gb is not a monarchy

>>175205932
>fabric of universe
>what is void
nigga
please

>>175205726
>you'll build something like frontier outputs
Right in the post.

>>175205876
Calling the laborers under a caste system "slaves" is just convenient abstraction. Authoritarians are hierarchical.

>>175205914
Sounds like all the non hyperlane memers are whining right now.
Hyperlane patricians were perfectly happy playing superior hyperlane only games while the plebians thrashed around in their own warp and wormhole induced filth.

Seriously though, it's a huge fucking copout that they're not even bothering to try and balance the different types when hyperlane was objectively better at launch than it is now and actually had valid advantages over warp and wormhole.

>>175205871
Why? Everyone wants to live in their favorite biome senpai. Once they are firmly entrenched they are free to rape and pillage whatever resources the rest of the planet has regardless of climate.

>>175205992
>Theoretically

>>175206037
no, it says about implementing a completely diferent structure that cannot be destroyed, fuck off

>>175205732
They need something for pacifists

>>175206037
>like
Key word, retard.
It's not going to cost you 200 minerals and 1 influence/mo per system.

>>175206065
You should let those robot geniuses post for you

>Limiting FTL types
Literally why? You can already restrict a game to one type of FTL only. What's the fucking problem?

>>175206116
Maybe they should not be faggots and just make it so you can only have one per game instead of fucking over most players just because hyperlanes are easier to balance for.

>>175206024
>t. flat earther

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>>175196313
Is it possible to get even higher research rates than this?

Got a bunch of synth geniuses running my science labs.

>>175206180

fuck

>>175206123
Well they have to go into the biome to exploit it, whixh is what it represents

>>175206142
Which means you can't get a system except through war, which is one of my complaints.

That they're comparing them to Frontier outposts also means they're going to have influence drain, influence being a stat that's fairly rare except for democracies.

>>175206158
>It's not going to cost you 200 minerals and 1 influence/mo per system.
You sure do have a rosy view of Paradox balancing.

>>175206152
Making pacifists the only viable playstyle is some hardcore faggotry.

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>>175206276
Not really. How many continental apes do you see playing in this desert?

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>>175206351
>I am going to assume the absolute worst no matter what, because if I don't, what will I complain about?
It's like I'm really in /gsg/

>>175205726
>Geography
>in space
Hyperlanes arent "geography".
They are arbitrary lines to give the illusion of "terrain". Like i said, fucking gamey

>>175206241
Actually the original hyperspace mechanics made playing cat and mouse with warp and even wormhole civs an actual thing. Since you could initiate hyperspace from anywhere within a system you could lead enemy fleets on wild goose chases before doubling back and outpacing them. This was really the mechanic that made fleet splitting a thing and invalidated an only doomstack gameplay because you needed two or three fleets to lock down hyperspace escape artists.

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>>175206226
>"We didn't want to balance anything so we just removed the other two types."
>t. paradox

>>175203713
>Hyperlanes only lol
Why?
It will only make empires who get other types even more powerful.

>>175206408
As opposed to making it militarist?
>>175206452
How many men does it take to run a mine?

>>175206517
Just like Eu and vicky provinces then

>>175206517
If you want a realistic space empire sim, you should definitely NOT be playing Stellaris.
As it is right now, borders don't mean a damn thing during war.

>>175206612
I think that's kind of the point.
Jump drives are kind of lackluster for warp or wormhole users right now. But they're absolutely game-changing for hyperlanes.

It's still really fucking lazy though.

>>175206646
Not nearly as many as it takes to run the the factory, the transit, the nearby city and everything it needs.

But hey all those other essential things get built where people are COMFY. If the planet has 0 comfy areas then they won't ever be happy.

>>175206667
Based on earth where there is actual geography
>>175206707
Borders dont mean anything in war

>>175196391
W&B

>>175206791
>I think that's kind of the point.
The problem is that they aren't fixing shit, they are fucking over players because they are shitters.
If anything, it will be better for hyperlane to be dropped and keep warp and wormhole.

>>175206840
Well if they all live in a big desert then yea they might not like it.
Why do you think they pay miners and oil drillers more? Cos the places are shit and nobody goes there

>>175206858
We get it, you have autism.

>>175207068
No u faget

>strikecraft heavy FE battlefleet barges into a system full of Orbitals
>engaged into combat the second they enter the system
>all the strikecraft fuck off to do a grand tour of the system, in the direction opposite to my fleet
>rape their 130k stack with my 100k fleet
Bravo.

Next they'll remove all ethos and replace it with a scale of :( to :) in the name of balance.

>>What JerikTelorian missed in his writeup was that they talked about having wormholes as static entities on the galaxy map. That with appropriate tech could be utilized to open up different areas of the galaxy map, or permit instantaneous travel across a great distance. Similar to the way Sins of a Solar Empire works.
>There was a lot going on here, but the tl;dr is that multiple FTL types makes it hard to balance some things, in particular defenses. FTL inhibitors and platforms are hard because making changes to clamp down on one FTL type often made openings (or bigger problems) for other FTL types. What they're thinking is making Hyperlanes the primary or only FTL, but making the map grid more dense with the caveat that there are "levels" of lanes that require advanced tech. This means you could also hide Leviathans and other cool shit behind higher level gates as later-game content (e.g., an Ether Dragon's lair in a previously unexplored chunk of space).
>
>The other big part of this is it would allow you to functionally fortify your empire by having border worlds and core worlds, and you could (for example) super fortify your core worlds to make them nigh invulnerable, but perhaps at the cost of fortifying the border world. One of their goals here is to make it so you don't need to capture the capital over everything; rather there should be more border skirmishes and wars.
>
>They did bounce around getting other types as late game research but didn't have a strong opinion there.
Was hoping they'd add more variety and specialization in FTL, not less.

>>175203713
>Systems would have to be claimed to be colonized, rather than the way it is now.
This sounds fine if they have like EU where different Empires can claim they own the system and declare wars over them.
>There was a lot going on here, but the tl;dr is that multiple FTL types makes it hard to balance some things, in particular defenses.
Because Warp and Wormhole could just jump over them and not give a shit, Inhibitors should make a bubble over multiple system for those. You could also make stuff like Black Holes having a similar effect on them, so you can create "barriers" for them too.
>Hyperlanes the primary or only FTL
Of all the FTL, you decide to make the most shitty one the only one?
> but making the map grid more dense with the caveat that there are "levels" of lanes that require advanced tech.
And make it even worse, i am impressive.
>One of their goals here is to make it so you don't need to capture the capital over everything; rather there should be more border skirmishes and wars.
Thats more a problem with the stupid ass warscore system, If i want a borderworld, i should be able to get it by invading it and holding for X years. As it is now, the system forces you to capture multiple shit to up the score anyway.
>but Wiz is afraid of forcing players to micromanage lots of small fleets
So Doomstacks are here to stay

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>can't win this war because my ally has no sense of strategy and no intention of combining forces

>>175203713
If you watch the actual video, they say they're not just going to remove wormhole and warp, but that they might make hyperlanes a base FTL.

The other FTL might be unlocked later with techs, and that there might be static wormholes on the map.

Doesn't sound that awful desu. t. someone who only plays wormholes

>>175207605
It's a shit lesson to learn and I had to throw out 10 hour campaign because of it but Stellaris is so shit you have to plan ahead for being alone. The only good a defensive pact has is stopping others from declaring war on you.

Every game since I do it alone and it's working out fine now.

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>>175207709
This war should be easy but my ally keeps sending 700-power fleets into enemy space and then NOT retreating when the enemy sends his 1700-power doomstack in to defend.
My naval capacity isn't high enough to fight the doomstack alone but I can't join forces.

>>175207848
I can't help you m8. Wish I could, but I can't. If the game is salvagable lose the war ASAP and then become a galactic isolationist that can take out federations on his own. If you have the right fleet comp and loadouts for your ships you can beat any doomstack that is not counted as Overwhelming on the diplomacy screen.

>>175207848
So follow his fleet and attack the enemy from behind when they inevitably clash

>>175207536
Effectively make them like EU forts.
>They prevent movement within their sphere of influence
>To move or take the systems you have to destroy the defensive stations.

>>175207536
>Inhibitors should make a bubble over multiple system for those
Wouldn't affect wormholes, but this is a good idea.

>>175207703
>Doesn't sound that awful desu
To me it sounds awful though.
It makes any empire who gets their hands in the alternatives a superpower, your defenses and fleet are rendered moot as they can simply warp over them. You can say thats the point, but it makes the whole thing even worse.
And Second, they are making the hyperlane tech level locked, so you gonna get fucked over routes even more.

The wormhole thing is fine though.

>>175208053
He can't, his ally is sending single cruisers against doomstacks. This will keep happening because the AI sends individual units to rally points no matter what is in their way just like in EU4.

>>175208119
Doesnt that already happen anyway?

>>175208142
>having better tech than your opponents gives you advantages
woah

>>175208050
>>175208053
I got insanely lucky and he sent his doomstack to my capital. I warped my fleet in and, together with the spaceport, I destroyed most of it. Now I'm fucking up his wormholes while my ally continues to (try to) mindlessly bombard his planets.

>>175208142
This is already the case with jumpdrives though.

>>175208294
>A single tech makes multiple other techs, your defenses and even your fleets useless. This is totally a good idea.
Woah

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The fuck is this system?

>Double Tomb Worlds with Rad Cockroaches on one
>Infested World with Shadow Play
>Curator enclave
>Bunch of unscannable debris around the system

>>175208421
Just remember, AI allies are only useful in war by fluke.

>>175208142
I think making wormhole stations late-game tech would be fine, and turning FTL inhibitors into bubbles with a few lightyears of width would balance mid-game warp.

>>175208289
No.
It's why people play hyperlane only games, because you can create fortress systems at chokepoints. With warp or wormholes you can bypass defense stations entirely and as long as it's not in your way you can ignore them and kill starbases and take planets.

>>175208289
lol no, you bypass that shit with warp. if you drop on top of one cause its got a subspace inhibitor, you instagib it anyway

the problem with stations is that they aren't any good, at all, and need a complete rework

Stations should start at "tier 2", where a corvette is tier 1, a BS is tier 4, so a fortress should be tier 5.

Let's say you're in a game, against a militarist, he's right next to you, you know you're coming, and you know he's probably going for cruisers early. So what can you do? Fuck all, probably, but in some case, you should be able to build defense stations to counter them. If player A rushes for cruisers, player B should be able to rush defensive stations to guard while he makes weaker ships to help defend those stations. As it stands now, stations are pointless to create since their weapons are shit, they have no HP, they have no innate armour, etc.

Stations shouldn't require power, for one thing. Who the fuck builds a thing so big that doesn't have its own power supply?

>>175207848
actually if you set your fleet to encourage to take point the AI will take point, you're just a retard and haven't pressed the tiny symbol that paradox has never mentioned.

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>find a primitive civ
>put an outpost
>fuck with them a bit with aggressive monitoring
>whole game goes by
>they finally reach industrial
>start infiltration
>it finishes
>was a fanatic purifier all along
>genocide the fuck out of the inhabitants
>free 24 slot ocean world
>the annexation fever bonus is still there

>>175208619
>Stations shouldn't require power, for one thing
How do you fuel the reactors, kid?

Checkmate.

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>>175208669
WHY THE FUCK IS THAT A TINY BUTTON IN THE CORNER
FUCKING PAIRADICKS

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>>175197034
>>175198995
Trying again but this time with bio.

>"The Ulthari are a venerable, spiritual race of felines. Their religion considers our universe to not be a tangible, real place - but rather as a mere fiction, referred to as the Dreamlands. They seek enlightenment above all else, so that they may glimpse into other realities, and upon death, return to the Waking World with newfound knowledge. These beings unite under a single God-Emperor, who guides their civilization with a strong hand. They consider all species in the galaxy to be inferior to them, as their beliefs dictate they are simply figments of the imagination of Ulthari dreamers.

Please rate

>>175208878


I don't give a shit dude, it's a game, it hardly has any realism as is. They can at least do something to make stations worth building.

>>175208619
>Stations shouldn't require power, for one thing
This would mean you'd have no reason not to spam your new powerful stations everywhere.

>>175208619
>so a fortress should be tier 5.
This is still pointless due to doomstacks, there is no point of having a fortress tier 5 or 20 or whatever if it has 6k fleet power and a doomstack with 60k fleet power pops on it?
Or just shoots at it from out of range with XL weapons.

>>175208978

>.png
>1.1mb
>4chan's shit servers

stop this meme please

>5 traits
>sedentary
>imperial cult
>philosopher king

Garbage m8

>>175209103
What would you recommend in order to not make it garbage in your eyes

>>175208978
>kadath
That name sounds familiar.

Lovecraft, definitely.
Some guy's adventures on the moon with Nyarly and gem traders.

>>175209182

It's not really garbage, I'm just in a pissy mood

I like it, nobody does catbros, ever

>>175208978
minmaxed/10

>>175208542
What do they mean with "bubbles"?

>>175208979
If they want stations worth building then they should do something other than shoot things. Mobile fleets will ALWAYS have the advantage over stationary emplacements.

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>>175209213
Yup. Cats of Ulthar + Celephais + God-Emperor Kuranes + the Dreamlands + Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath are all HP Lovecraft stuff.

>>175209295

I guess he means in EVE terms, a bubble is something you put in a strategic place, typically between two gates, that pulls players out of warp and a few KM away from the warp bubble, allowing them to be engaged if they don't warp away quick enough.

>>175208978
cool lore, but your using meme traits

7/10

Little confused non of the mods I installed actually do anything. I can see them in the launcher and and can activate them but they do nothing. Ive never had problem with paradox mods before.

>>175209295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s3sgDhDcIA

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Why did no one notice this?

>>175209075
I think he's assuming they'll also fix doomstacks. That's on their list of things to fix.

How do I git gud?

Is there a secret to expanding fast without getting your tech growth raped?

>>175207703
It means early game is tedious fucking hell.

>>175209853

Forget about tech for a bit, minerals are the most important thing at the start. Tech will come from the research stations you build with the minerals you earn.

>>175209806
What's wrong with her face?

>>175209815
>Doomstacks did come up but the tl;dr of that was "It's complicated". They don't like, thematically, having one big superfleet, but Wiz is afraid of forcing players to micromanage lots of small fleets
That's a big IF. Specially with the other choices they are doing.

>>175209815
Even if doomstacks are fixed it doesn't really fix the problem of being able to temporarily combine 5 different fleets for one battle without hard restrictions like only being able to fit 20 ships into this particular system. And that sort of restriction just creates a new series of problems.

Although there is no problem with fortresses being so powerful you have to commit a massive force to take them out as long as their construction is also properly limited so they can't be spammed.

>>175209806
Notice what? An ugly mod?

>>175210067
As long as they aren't necessary meatgrinders that offensive armies can't counter with some tech or weapon or something.

Is it better to build up stations or planets early game?

>>175210365
I usually build stations until I have a decent mineral income and enough energy to not hit the red when I build a colony ship

>>175209806
Argentina est white

>>175210365
Stations for sure. Early game planets are limited to your population, stations aren't limited to really anything but borders.

>>175210046
>Add EU4's recruit from army system
>Add a button that automatically queues ships to be rebuilt as they're destroyed
>Make this system so that it only takes the minerals when the ship begins construction
>Reduce FTL speed across the board so empires need to split fleets as their borders grow.
>Add incursions from more neutral parties, beef up pirates and shit.

>>175210629
>Pirates enclaves you can pay to raid enemy mines never ever.

>>175210751
Even just having neutral pirate bases that spawn every once in a while and send out raiding parties would spice the game up.
As it is there's a little excitement in the early game when you do the introductory battle, then a big fat nothing until you're strong enough to start hunting mining drones and amoebas.

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wut

>start a pacifist gaem
>find a supersexy 25 tile planet close to me (had to terraform it but it was worth it)
>That same system a 17 tile perfect biome planet with good modifier that has fucking stone age uggaboggas on it.
>If I decided to enlighten the bastards it would take 1000 fucking months.
>83 years

Should I just give up on that planet and make them build pyramids forever?
My goverment form is to cucked to ever allow an invasion.

>>175210975
think this is a bug

as far as i know it only ever happens to ocean worlds

>>175211102

There is also the anomaly that clears every tile blocker. Maybe another civ triggered it?

>>175211102
>>175210975
What is a bug?

World with no blockers? That's an anomaly.

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>>175210895
Have unrest & unhappiness spawn pirates. With civilian ships transporting food, minerals and energy to planets/stations requiring them pirates could cripple an empire by capturing shipments.

Adding a way to fund "moderate rebels" of other empires to spawn pirates would also be fun.

>>175205380
>It seems to be a refernce to MoO where a continental is earth and gaia is a really amazing earth.
>Paradox just copied the names but had no idea what they meant
Like Terraforming?
>You can terraform almost every planet in MoO, but it takes time and you have to go up from tier to tier (including the use of planetary shields to create atmosphere)
>In Stellaris is just "click button"

>>175211009
If its still early game you can go ahead I would be shocked if you dont make it. If it is late game then ya just make them build pyramids what are ya gonna do.

How the fuck do I make my people less egalitarian?

>win war against a troublesome neighbor
>give one of his planets to my ally
>liberate the rest
>liberated empire only has +4 relations
>-86 - Border Friction
Fuck you Paradox

>>175211569
Run non-democracy government. Don't have xenos in your empire. Don't have slaves. Don't give them welfare. Don't get into defense / federation treaties with egalitarian empires.

I got the Commonwealth of Man for 100+ years with no egalitarian faction.

>>175211460
Enlightning has a monthly cost of 5 EC 5 society. the EC is chill since I'm swimming in it but it's not worth gimping my bioresearch for 80 years to get to spend influence to integrate 17 tiles.

>>175211414
>tfw they were on to something cool with Terraforming Platforms but they scrapped it because it was "tedious"
God I hate these jerkoff sometimes.

>>175211779
Don't give anyone welfare or don't give aliens welfare?

>>175211815
>Terraforming platforms were tedious
>Tile by tile pop and building management isn't
What were they thinking?

Is Spore allowed here?

>>175211780
I did it once I enlightened a bronze age civilitaion. It was ok just not worth it ide say unless they are at least industrial to not even bother from a meta standpoint you may have a reason from an RP point though.

>>175211834
Anyone. Your FoundingSpecies is probably the most numerous so giving them welfare means 1.5 attraction for them. I tended to neuter & give aliens welfare to keep them happy while they died out but that resulted in them becoming egalitarian which would spawn an egalitarian faction. So no welfare for anyone.

>>175211896
Tile management isn't tedious at all.

>>175211993
Shouldn't welfare make people more down for authoritarian government because it provides for them?

>>175211896
What they should have done is keep terraforming platforms, but expand on them.

Make actions far cheaper and take far less time, but let you customize planets more. Let you step through humidity and temperature, as well as let you add and remove modifiers. You could even tie techs to modifiers and such.

But no instead we get a button.

>>175212079

Bernouts can't see the authoritarian part of making other people pay for all their free shit

Fanatic Xenophile FE doesn't mind building frontiers and settling near it, correct?

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wat do

>>175212008
On one or two planets it isn't.
When you have 10 developing planets to track it's terrible because you constantly have to check back to see whether a new pop formed.

>>175212740
Uninstall mod.

>>175212740
Kill jester

>>175212740
Regeneration Deflectors you tard

>>175212740
research robutts

>>175212561
Yes but he'll demand your pops to throw into a zoo full of repugnant xenos

>>175213465

Already done that. Also, I'm invading a primitive world that's nearby them for the slaves, then I'm gonna abandon the colony, then I'm gonna terraform it alongside its moon, a moon which has pre-sentients on it. Man, playing as dickheads is fun.

Could anybody link me that mod that lets you repeat the synthetic ascension to BORG all inhabitants of your empire?

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>>175211340
>only billions on a planet
>can't sustain itself
Earth has enough room on the land alone to sustain well over a trillion in lavish conditions with no external shipments of anything
niggers can't into arcology

>>175212079
Most supporter of authoritarian systems are poor.

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>Observer mode
>Almost no war

What is wrong with the ai?

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>>175213807
>Earth has enough room on the land alone to sustain well over a trillion in lavish conditions with no external shipments of anything

>>175214132
https://youtu.be/XAJeYe-abUA

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>long-time ally declares war on my other ally

>>175212079
Yes, it should. Fascists use welfare to build and maintain support. Communists would do the same thing if they weren't so poor.

But Swedes don't want to admit that welfare is inherently paternalistic.

>>175214253
Man, I love Isaac Arthur.

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How in the absolute fuck do you appeal to cuck-tier factions that want muh stratified society? Is it bugged?

>have aristocratic elite
>allowed slavery
>allowed displacement purging
>made core worlds citizens only

Not enough for these faggots.
REEEEEEEEEE

>>175214132
You take a building
you build it very fucking wide
you build it very fucking tall
you also dig deep underground for more floors to put industrial shit for the building itself
and put multiple layers of greenhouses where you aren't putting people or industry
if weight becomes a problem, make the buildings smaller, and make more of them
make as many of these as you have land
if you want more of them, be like the dutch and invade the sea
It requires an absolute fuckton of energy, which can be easily obtained through massed solar arrays in space, or fusion, either one works
this is made even fucking easier if gene tailoring is a thing, because you can edit your crops to absorb all wavelengths of light for energy at maximum efficiency instead of just red light at decent efficiency

It's unbelievable, but the math checks out and if we really, really wanted to, and gave negative fucks about preserving the land, because we can just make new fucking habitats for the animals in space, pull such a thing off with tech that we have right now, along with tech we have some semi-functional prototypes for

>>175212079
Not in Stellaris because somehow egalitarian is the opposite of Authoritarian.

>>175214882
I think you need to have actual slaves, not just legal slavery.

do prethoryns take out primitive and pre sentient planets?

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>>175215009

I think you're right anon. Thanks :3

>>175214926
And utterly destroy the planet's ecosystem in the process.

B R A V O
R
A
V
O

>>175214113
They spam NAPs and defensive pacts and so rarely go to war with one another.

>>175215627
No way you'd avoid that with a city-wide planet, anon.

Really feel like it would make more sense if giving out welfare didn't make egalitarian desire go up but rather make your governing ethics more attractive. After all, shouldn't a high standard of living mean that more people have faith in their governments ideology?

>>175215857
I meant planet-wide city, oops.
Though there's really not much of a difference, when you think about it.

>>175214926
>this is made even fucking easier if gene tailoring is a thing, because you can edit your crops to absorb all wavelengths of light for energy at maximum efficiency instead of just red light at decent efficiency
Man, black chlorophyll would be funky as fuck.

>>175215627
>because we can just make new fucking habitats for the animals in space,
Post K-1 civs are a hell of a drug.

>>175215993
Is this even possible?
I thought green chlorophyll was the best kind.

>>175216161
Yeah
Plants absorb light
they prefer red light
edit them to prefer all light as much as they prefer red
witness fuckmassive growth because they now absorb all the energy that is shined on them

>>175216161
Chlorophyll is green because it absorbs red light, a little bit of blue light, and reflects the rest. If you take away the colors of light it absorbs out of white light, you're left with green.

If you genetically engineered chlorophyll to absorb a wider spectrum of light, the chlorophyll would be black.

Of course, if you're doing indoor hydroponics there's not much point in doing this since the lighting is artificial and you can just only emit light in the absorption spectrum of normal chlorophyll.

What I really do not like how slaves tend to egalitarianism. Many slaves were extremely loyal to their slaveholder.

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post yfw you realised FTL travel is realistically impossible and the only way we'll be doing any interstellar colonisation will be by advancing cryo-tech, but even then it just won't be good because even the closest solar systems with potentially habitable planets will take milennia to reach and communications between colonised planets will take so long as to render anything other than periodic infodumps utterly implausible

>>175216375
>being a quitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDR4AHYRmlk
take the white pill my friend

there is no such thing as impossible, it is simply not a word

>>175216375
we can still reign in our own solar system, mars for example would need terraforming, but we could easily live there.
also what if we could make star gates

>>175216031
The bible only seems like a fairy tale because we approach it from the standpoint of a pre K-1 civilization and not a K-3, 4, or 5 civilization.
What we see as miraculous or unbelievable was just our precursor seeding the earth for us.

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>>175216534
>it is simply not a word
factually wrong, i mean you just fucking used it in the same sentence lad

>>175214860
I want him to be the creative director of a proper space 4x.
Assuming he could restrain his autism to allow for some spacemagic FTL that didn't lead into time travel and causality shenanigans

>>175216375
>implying you need other systems
Colonizing the entire galaxy "traditionally", assuming a single Earth-like planet around each star, with each star being exactly like our sun, would just -barely- be equivalent to a civilization who built a dyson swarm around their sun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dArpj_VxxuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzuHxL5FD5U

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>>175216375
>>175216569
fun fact
you can slam down a habitat literally fucking anywhere you so please, with little issue
if you're within the inner solar system, regular solar arrays directed toward the sun would provide all the energy you needed for growing food and everything else
in the outer solar system, you could probably still use solar, but could also use lasers from other stations to beam power to the habitats more distant
you literally do not need to go colonize planets at all, if anything, colonizing a planet would be the last thing you do, since camping down in the asteroids nearby to get fucktons of raw material for infrastructure, along with building a space elevator to install on the planet, would make the colony so much easier to develop and expand

>>175216801

Cute.

>>175216960
And this is before you even start working with fusion power; a fusion powered O'neil cylinder could house a million inhabitants indefinitely and independently.

>>175216361
>>175216332
I know how chlorophyll works, but I thought there was a reason it evolved to be green and not black.

>>175216375
Xenu pls go. Humanity will surpass you.

>>175203713
>hyperlanes only
the meme is becoming real

>>175216375
Yeah, they said the same about tv colors.

>>175216569
Exactly, one step at a time. We have an entire solar system that we've yet to fully explore or develop.

>>175217212
I'm sorry friend, hyperlanes only is the only way we go interstellar
>>175216534
only difference is that we'll have to be the ones building the bloody things, as well as them taking a lot longer to travel down
bight side is, we can just make them in any direction to any star we want, so no need for cockdickery bullshit

>>175216960
but do the asteroids really have this much resources? why there is no companys going to exploit it?

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>>175216375
post yfw you realised personal computers tare realistically impossible because there's no way to miniaturize vacuum tubes and mechanical switches enough and the only way computers can possibly exist if they're the size of office buildings requiring hundreds of people to maintain and swap out burnt out tubes

>>175216941
Honestly, watching all this again, it's become blindingly obvious how fucking BASIC the megastructures in Stellaris are.

A proper dyson sphere would literally be an "I win" button in game, producing more energy than the rest of the (dyson-sphereless) galaxy combined; the fact that it can't use its fuck off laser on anything more than a few lightyears away doesn't make it any less amazing.

A dyson ring in itself is of such an immense scale that it literally cannot fit in the scope of Stellaris' planet and population system.

The Devs really hamstringed themselves by going with tiles and individual pops, rather than raw numbers like SotS and so forth.

>>175217552
Because it's incredibly expensive to get up there and they're all hoping someone else will foot the bill to build the infrastructure.

Asteroids are small time anyways; starlifting is where it's at.

Is it even worth it building destroyers or do I just keep spamming corvettes until I get cruisers

>>175216534
>tewibly pwacticable

>>175217810
starlifting? you mean MINE A FUCKING STAR? HOW?
>>175217847
spam corvettes, full missiles.

>>175217552
Yes
There is a fuckton of raw material out in space, and while any planet has more than the entire asteroid belt combined, the belt is far easier to access and refine compared to cracking a planet
There are quite literally hundreds of billions of tons of pure gold, platinum, cobalt, and any other mineral you can name, common shit like iron and carbon is well into the hundreds of trillions of tons, just for asteroids

Nobody exploits it because of two things, few people of note actually are aware of the amount of goodies out in space, and getting the amount of equipment and personnel to build a mining base, miners, and refinery station is really, really fucking expensive, expensive enough to make building a nuclear reactor look like a dollar store discount
only way to get into space is if the US government chooses to, because only they have enough fucking money and industry to pull such a colossus of a task off, but once they do, we're golden

>>175217552
The 16 Psyche asteroid contains 47million times more metal and rare earths than has ever mined by humanity during it's entire existence. If someone gains access to it then it has collapsed the commodities market for metals making them worthless. So it's not worth building up the infrastructure to get all those resources until there's an actual demand for them.

>>175217962
>starlifting? you mean MINE A FUCKING STAR? HOW?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzuHxL5FD5U

WELCOME TO THE FUTURE, SON

>>175217740
yeah but there's no physical law that renders making computer compnents smaller you know...
>>175218010
i see, sad cause an company setting foot on space would be the beggining of space age, in some decades there would be ppl working in space, there would be security companies to protect the belts from non licenciated miners, god, would be amazeng

>>175212079
It should, but the authoritarian and egalitarian ethics don't make a lot of sense as opposites. Egalitarianism isn't the opposite of Authoritarianism. Make authoritarianism the ethos of statism, power concentrated in the government, and make a new ethos called Elitism for stratified society with no social mobility. Then have Egalitarianism be the ethos of equality, while the new Libertarian ethos will be the ethos of freedom.

>>175218204
>yeah but there's no physical law that renders making computer compnents smaller you know...

>implying human scientific knowledge is absolute, objective natural law
The best thing about empiricism is that previous knowledge can be falsified or refined with evidence.

>>175217847
>people still fall for the corvette meme

>rename militarism to "imperialism"
>rename pacifism to "[something opposite of imperialism]"
Yes/no?

>>175218192
this video made me remind my infancy
i used to watch the interviews of the teacher on Wheelchair, i thought he was genius, but he's just a idea stealer.
>>175218323
true, scientists made light go faster than the velocity of light, but they needed to make it vacuum,if we manage to make some kind of bubble which isolated a ship in another "dimension" then it would be possible(but i think it would be expensive as fuck)