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/ss13g/ - spessmen on a spess station

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/ss13g/ is for every space station 13 server, not just for the /vg/ server. You can discuss any server here as long as it is a space station 13 server.

Last Thread: >>174903049

Last time on /ss13g/ - spessmen on a spess station:
>Morena will appeal on the 21st of may
>Carshalash permabanned, appeal in 6 months with a recommendation from /tg/

>What is Space Station 13?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHH1vfY6HTA
http://pastebin.com/VNcX2Quc

>New player guide
http://ss13.moe/wiki/index.php/The_Basics
http://ss13.moe/wiki/index.php/General_Help

>BYOND client
http://byond.com/download/build/LATEST/

>Pomf Serbian, main /vg/station server
byond://game.ss13.moe:7777

>Test server
byond://ss13.moe:1337

>Public server list
http://byond.com/games/exadv1/spacestation13

>How do I connect to the servers?
Hit the cogwheel in the upper right corner of the BYOND hub and pick "Open Location"

>/vg/station forum and logs
http://ss13.moe/forum/
http://game.ss13.moe/logs

>Map renders collection: updated sometimes
http://game.ss13.moe/minimaps/images/maps/

>Coderbus, here!
https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13
@rizon #coderbus @rizon #vgstation
https://discord.gg/fE3Ts8A

>Cryo Autism
http://pastebin.com/raw/YmAyagUa

>Round Stats
http://stats.ss13.moe/

>SS13 booru for all your SS13 images!
http://ss13.booru.org/

>How To Install BYOND: The Video Tutorial: The Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iWiZwv9f1o

>Nostalgia
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/ss13g/
http://ss13.moe/index.php/bans

>OP Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/raw/z7czw5WQ
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1st for Dragonbros a shitmin soon to be a deadmin
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>no mechanic to tie people to urinals
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>>174991815
>no mechanic to use people as urinals
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Whats the difference between the two /tg/station servers?
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post your worst incidents involving dragonbro
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>>174991489
That's probably the best ss13 fanart I've seen
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>>174991612
>>174991996
I see that the Sawbones shitposting squad is armed and ready.
No matter how hard you try you wont be able to seize control of the server you thugs.
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>>174991997
Look at those 'shotgun shells'

They can't even draw a fucking cylinder man, get your eyes checked
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xth for shoot lockers in your spare time
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>>174992112
>implying he hasn't been deadmin for being shit before
>implying it hasn't happened more than once
>implying he's not pulling the exact same shit to self request a deadmin again
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>>174991881
That was the implication, yes
I wonder
in lifeweb you can use toilets right
what if you give someone a swirlie after using one
I bet randy would have coded that
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>>174992208
Dragonbro has made less mistake than Sawbones had yet he is still admin despite being a massive shitter with pages worth of notes.
Now that he again publicly shat on Sawbones he is getting smeared by the metaclub and everyone can see that.
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>>174992131
xevonix please
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>>174992131
It's not technically brilliant, it's just very nice to look at
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>DRAGONBRO IN HOT WATER
DRAGONBRO IN HOT WATER
>DRAGONBRO IN HOT WATER
DRAGONBRO IN HOT WATER

http://ss13.moe/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&p=19528&sid=d300d5467588208b1cb446379e447790#p19528

Probe is confirmed /OurGuy/
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>>174992210
you can do that
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>>174991997
>poor proportions
>freaking Bogdanoff lips
>those ops in the background
>can't draw hands or guns
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>PBJ in hot water
>Out of nowhere new drama overshadows it and everyone forgets

Hmm
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>>174992629
Name 1 fanart better.

protip: you can't except if it's the dizor lewd vox one
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>>174991489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPL5OXSBNE
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>>174992778
The paramedic sitting on a piece of station debris in the empty void of space if technical prowess isn't important
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>throw miniscule amount of shade toward someone advertising their server
>make a VIRTUOUS and NOBLE OP about it
big zozz lad get a grip
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You have to be autistic to assume somebody is a shill because they said positive things about a server.
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>>174992523
when he was adminned i said he would fuck up again and i knew i was right, it's only a matter of time before he pulls another stunt
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>>174991964
Hello?
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>>174993208
A lot of people thought the same thing
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This is a screenshot from the discord, "Dylan Roof" is the discord username of the player with the ckey "Kolith"

Can somebody explain what he meant by this?
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Is 2hotdogs a genius? Why is he banned here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZeUmyxACe0

I use a bass guitar, a microphone and two bags of mini pretzels to redefine the one man band genre.

Anonymous album reviews
"Not bad, it's like the Nu Metal version of Michael Pisaro."

"lookin good "
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>>174993340
kolith shitposts and perpetuates drama and got deadminned for being less of a shit than dragon, so its only a matter of time
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>>174993274
There isn't aside from who plays at what times. TG has large player counts and a medium sized map so they run two games at once. If you can't join a role you like on one you can always try the other.

Or maybe it's how they justify getting more than twice as much money on patreon than pomf
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>>174993096
Okay well if you're unaffiliated, don't get indignant when I call it like I see it.
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>>174993510
>less of a shit

I find that hard to believe, Kolith only got admin because his friend was head of trialmins at the time. He only lasted so long because DrCelt had a sunken cost fallacy with kolith and couldn't deadmin him or he'd appear like an idiot.
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>>174993721
Do you assume every single post that's positive about any server is shilling?
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>>174993965
No I don't, but when I throw inconsequential jabs at a public server and get barked at about it makes me question your motives.
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>>174994280
I just said you don't have to play on it if it didn't suit you
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>>174994402
Yeah cool. It still sucks though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHNcMs8W660

Surfer...
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Does anyone have an anti-memescript?
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>>174994280
Maybe you should try r/ss13 if you don't feel this general gives you enough of a safe space for your opinion
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>>174994729
Take your own advice.
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>>174994583
You can say the server isn't for you, but you can't say it sucks.

Bay is objectively one of the best ss13 servers, they have tons of features that are pretty good and a large community that all agree on a certain roleplay level so everyone there enjoys themselves because they hold one another to a standard of quality roleplay.
>CQC combat
>Multi z-level moving map
>Character customization and loadouts
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEb5RVlW8vA

>>>/mu/72407678

I've really caught the attention of the jews
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>>174994946
Wow that's great honey. Still stinks.
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>>174995318
>>174995318
>>174995318
>>174995318
>>174995318
>>174995318
take it back
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>>174995318
>honey
go away yahir
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More THICC please
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>>174995450
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>>174994632
Yes?
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>>174995534
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>>174995729
post the butt crush one
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>>174995694
Oh, I heard you'd quit.

NEVERMIND
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>>174995779
Just stopped playing surfer and I'm playing less frequently in general No worries
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>>174995771
butt crush is my favorite one
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>>174995534
>>174995729
>>174995927
>These are the people that play on VG
Lmao nice server cucks
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>>174995981
>2017
>not having a facesitting/butt crush + thicc fetish
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>>174996149
this isn't "thicc", it's fat. It's disgusting.
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Here are my terms for morena's appeal
>Discord ban
>OOC ban
>Appearance ban
>Probation

Do this and I will accept unbanning them
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here are my terms for manrenas ban appeal
>no
do this an i will accept unbanning HIM HIM BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL
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>>174996413
Forum ban too
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>>174996413
Why would anyone need your approval to unban someone?
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>>174996350
t. low test manlet
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>>174996413
As sad as it is, this would probably do the trick. It's likely they would also need a LOOC ban so that nobody could see their ckey in any way. They may still be identifiable as a borg/mommi/AI, though. I recall their playstyle being distinctive too, so that might have to be cut out as part of their probation. They'll have to play like Joe McSpessman.
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>it's another 2hotchiots episode
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"Suffer" -2hotdogs
"Burn" -2hotdogs
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>>174997197
"Surfer"
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>>174996149
>>174996734
I've always been pretty outspoken about thinking obeasts and obesity in general is fucking disgusting, but a lot of people in #dorms, the porn channel, are into it and I don't wanna ban anything just because I don't like it, so butterhuffers it is. It frankly makes the furry shit the other guy posts more bearable because I don't like blubberputters more than I don't like furries.
It's still shit though get some standards
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>>174997340
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>tfw antag so badly I assassinate everyone's will to live rather than their physical being

I'm so sorry.
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>>174997361
>ban anything
What makes you think you have the authority to ban anything?
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>>174997759
I technically do but that's not something I hope anyone in this community would
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>>174997759
disproportionate estrogen levels and a superiority complex
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>>174992183

my husbando!
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>>174997876
Name and Ckey?
I'm gonna report you to the metaclub for not liking fat people.
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>>174996734
low test to like unhealthy, obese, disgusting pigs?
Betas are more likely to end up with landwhales than anyone who can actually get someone attractive. Stop fooling yourself.
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>>174997972
Do it you coward I am the metaclub
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>>174998070
that's the meme
turns out juicehead bods don't make up for having fucking aspergers so they end up settling
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This is Dee Fibb. They belong in the disposals.
Say something nice about them.
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>>174998349
Do me.
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>>174991489
I don't understand this game. I literally don't know what's the point except murdering everyone. All beginner guides only tend to teach the controls and nothing else like tactics, goals and shit.

And yet my friends don't stop playing this game. Fucking kill me.
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>>174998713
>murdering everyone
Missing the point desu
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>>174998767
Well what is the point?
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>>174998713
it's about faff
where else can you be a literal clown and harass people for hours?
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>>174998868
Having fun, surviving, working the mechanics, researching new levels of autism, just running round and doing almost anything you want because of how flexible the game is
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>>174998349
Horatio belongs in the trash.
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>>174998713
this is a game where circlejerkers and pedophiles are given powers to abuse new players and sanctuary to mind control victims to ERP with.

Unless you're here to make sinners burn for all eternity leave.
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>>174998713
It's a shit game on a shit engine with shitty controls and a shitty steep learning curves and people still praises it because it's hardcore, in a very bad way considering the difficulty is due to the shitty combat system, the shitty controls, everything about this game sucks.

I've played a round of bartender and holy shit it's so clunky and slow to make 1 drink. fuck this game, you are better off not playing it.

I wish there was a game with the depth of SS13 so we atleast have an alternative to this shitty game. Fuck, stationeers seems cool but shit hall is behind it and i won't hide that i'm interested in this shitty game because i just want a good ss13 game. Those shitty AAA company should make this kind of deep game.
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>>174999206
>Those shitty AAA company should make this kind of deep game.
But they won't because it's not as profitable
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>>174999206
nigga just get used to the shitty controls, there are games with much worse controls and they are still fun
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>>174998713
>murdering everyone
Go away. We don't want you here.
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>>174999206
the game allows for as much lateral movement as it does thanks to piecemeal hobby coding
if a big dick commercial dev tried it the whole thing would be more linear and uninteresting than colonial marines
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>>174998713
Please stick around and murder lots of people. I love you.
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You are the clown.
It's revsquad, and you are one of 3 head revs.
One of the other headvrevs is braindead due to technical difficulties, and the other is certifiably retarded.
(they threaten to snitch on you when you stop them in the hallway to talk about plotting)
You go to the HoP to get all access as a desperate Hail Mary, and instead he makes you the chef.

How do you win?
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>>174999857
Thanks to my friends refusing to play anything else the last days I will. At least killing stuff is intuitive.
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>>174999206
>he didn't play in hotkey mode
Retard.
We literally don't want you here anyway. We have more than enough people, and you're certainly not the kind of person we want added.
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>>175000096
Look up the Hippie server of the game, sounds like it's more your style
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>>175000052
Make a cake, poison it, invite heads to a party for the AI.
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>>175000052
stop self shilling
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>>175000096
Hey you should check out this server called Paradise those guys are fucking chumps. Easy pickin's boy.
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>>175000052
make everyone bored to tears by spending 90 minutes cooking
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>>175000096
Go play on TG or Hippie. Nobody wants you on /vg/, and you'll get banned the first time you kill someone.
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>>175000052
wait until the shuttle is called and stay on station so that i win as all heads leave
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>>175000096
Please play on /vg/ exclusively.
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>>175000646
the shuttle gets autorecalled during revsquad
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>>174992629
don't forget the one genuine crime
>2 waifus
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>>174999260
>>174999708

Yes because of those fucking casuals with shit taste will complain about the depth of this game and how they don't give you everything every details and every secret at the first second.
Casuals don't like being challenged at being creative, like SS13 can give as Bartender/Traitor and many other jobs. Fuck this shitty game industry.
This game is my dream games, and my dream games had to a slow, clunky, 2D games. Fuck this shit.
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Reminder that dizor/jidders started talking about how much they wanted to kill themselves when someone made fun of their fat fetish
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>>175000731
not anymore
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>>175000841
I don't mean because people will complain, I mean because they'll make a larger profit if they put in an amount of effort and an mediocre-good game than if they put in a LOT of effort and make a great game
People are just too happy to eat up "mediocre" if it's from an AAA company
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Looks like the Pain Train takes down another shitter for good.
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DIGITALIS FUCKING GONE
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>>175002685
HAIL MARY
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>Carsh gone
>Digitalis gone

You doubt the Pain?
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>>175002685
BAHAHAHAHA
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>>175002685
Thread 4 - Digitalis 0
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>>175002685
> Pain and Zealotron get rid of this shitter
Now I don't know what to feel about them.
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>used a syndie beacon and bypassed his antag ban
can you even banbait harder holy SHIT. shouldnt that be a bug or something, it letting antag banned people use it?
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>>175003513
Technically an oversight, but close enough.
Go report it if it hasn't been already.
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>>175000892
they always get really really upset whenever someone makes fun of them for it. Which no one would do if they didn't keep posting it in public to everyone.
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>>175002938
I have always believed in Pain. Only the Sawbones metaclub wants him gone.
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>>175003513
he ahelped because he knew it was questionable
the ahelp wasn't answered and he went for it anyway

the moron was on probation, he had it coming
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[09:43:20]ADMIN: HELP: Digitalis/(Simon Bode): how 2 become tator tot while tatorbanned: the guide - heard by 2 non-AFK admins.
[09:43:21]ADMIN: Small_Boss/(Dragan Ivanovich) jumped to Digitalis/(Simon Bode)
[09:43:42]ADMIN: Marcus Woodworth/(<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayeropts=[0x3000329]'>micano</A>) teleported a the global positioning system (tst2) to <A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=285;Y=221;Z=1'>Telescience - 285,221,1</a> from <A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=149;Y=102;Z=5'>Space - 149,102,5</a>
[09:43:49]ADMIN: PM: Small_Boss/(Dragan Ivanovich)->Digitalis/(Simon Bode): thanks permabanning you for evading now
Lmao he should've just done it on the spot
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>>174997361
If it makes you feel any better I hate IRL obesity and only like drawn

Real life fat doesn't usually look so nice and just sags and folds like shit
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>>175004117
keep reading in the logs
he said later in admin talk that if he knew digi was on probation, he would have permabanned him right there
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>>175004117
What a fucking moron, why the fuck would he think asking that would fly with the admins?
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>>175004313
he has always been rather tone deaf regarding his own actions
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>>174995729
>>174995534
>>174995927
stop posting this shit in the thread, this place is shitty enough without it shitting up the place.
t. the increasingly regretful artist
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>>175004165
this greatly please my penis
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>>175004165
Not to mention the health risks to the fupa trooper itself and just generally the increased cost of living, both for you and the gubment (who will pay for when it gets too fat to work and for that diabetes-related foot amputation)
But like I said, the idea of banning something because I (or anyone else) don't like it is appalling so who cares really
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>Digitalis finally realizes he is on ultra thin ice for sec and head shittery
>starts fucking off into space almost every round to look for vaults
>gets banned anyway because his utter lack of impulse control and overwhelming urge be a to jackass
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>Account age 0, vented the shuttle as nonantag. When asked why, replied "accident". When informed they were watched and it was clearly not accidental, [21:38:11] Player PM from-VoyuerNerd/(Rolf Harris): Thats impossible because im blind irl
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>>175004754
Clearly there is a byond in braille setup
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>>175004165
that clown isn't fat. It's what thicc is supposed to be.
Stefanie Ferrario is a great example of thicc irl.
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>Going through logs just looking for ahelps
Fuck this amusing, it's surprising how many people turn out to be little bitches.

What ckey would you guys say is the best source of sodium chloride?
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>>175004939
Coming to you straight from the ahelp channel, exclusive and unpinned
>Help: MrFoxik/(Skully Mcclymonds): How i can write a blood? My hands in it. - 1 Active admins, 0 AFK admins.
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>>175004939
there is a page on the wiki with some premium adminhelps
http://ss13.moe/wiki/index.php/Adminhelps
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>>175004579
make more please
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>this Dragonbro hate train
Sawbones Internet Defense Force please leave
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>>175004579
Dizor, truly, this is fate telling you to quit drawing fat porn and instead draw smt shit. Repent and draw something other than porn for neets, failures and erpfags.
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>>175004579
finish and post the bird image dizor
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>>175005350
In all honesty I don't care for the SMT's story and kinda hate Persona from a gameplay side.
Plus why do people think I only draw smutty shit.


>>175005296
>>175005412
why, so you can cheekily have more material to shitpost with? Draw your own garbage for that. and plaguewalker, I took you up on that block for a reason, so doubly no if this pertains to you
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>>175005247
>"mechs trigger me so i set fire into robotics" isn't there
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How do you make a navigation beacon and how do you name it?
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>>175005895
You dont need to like something to draw it, otherwise most artists would be shit and draw shit only for themselves. Also, while I know you do draw stuff other than lewd, most people dont see anything here but lewd, can you blame someone that hates x when all they have been shown is propaganda about how x is shit?
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>>174992974
You seem really upset bro. You don't have to post in this general if you don't want to :)
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>Carshalash
>Digitalis

Who is the next shitter you want banned? I, the friggin kammerjingle, will ban them
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>>175006792
reica carter
surfer brooks
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>>175006792
Avada Colander.
I hate them with a fucking passion.
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>>175006792
The sec officers who get magboots, glubs and maybe a secway at roundstart every round
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>>175006792
RFultra
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http://ss13.moe/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&p=19531&sid=faf187182ee40f98349777e84d163895#p19531

DIGITALIS
BTFO
T
F
O
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>>174998271
>jiggle
OwO
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>>175007078
pain is a fag, but he's /ourfag/
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>>175006646
well, what do you want from SMT to post here in this ss13 thread anonymous person that basically insulted me? I'm serious, I'll draw it out of spite of myself.
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>>175006942
>>175007013
>>175007047
>>175007050
Thanks for the list of people to invite to the metaclub
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>>175007078
>shit talking a banned player in a locked thread
he's so petty lmao
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>>175006942
why surfer
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>>175007328
hey just wondering whats your ckey?
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>>175007328
he does this nearly every thread
he even reopens stale threads to insert his witty one liner and then closes them again
I genuinely wonder is this gives him meaning
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>>175005895
It's not for shitpost
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>>175007559
He doesn't open them, silly, he can just click on the button to reply because admin powers
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>>175007617
someone post that pic of him
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>>175007701
But his name isn't even Chris, it starts with D
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>>175007559
I can't blame him, if I had to deal with shitters OOC I would get a bit wacko too
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>>175007768
Da Pain Bringer?
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>>175007450
do your worst smithyman
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>>175007815
does he even actually have to deal with them?
of all I've ever seen he just picks the meme player of the day and unnecessarily slaps probation or permabans on them when the admins can do that fine by just looking at their notes when deciding how long to ban for
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>>175007271
Wait, how did I insult you? I was mocking the situation, if you start getting offended at people joking about the situation, id rather you don't do any art at all.
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>>175008042
Just took the whole "stop drawing what you like and do this thing for me instead " too seriously. Heard it a few too many times. Apologies.
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ZAS stun times shortened when
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>>175008360
Never. Get fucked TG casual shitstain.
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is Nick Weller the best player?

also
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>have three baby slimes
>end up having to leave them all behind
>die anyway
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>>175008360
16 fries
20 Wheels of Cheese
360 units of gravy

>Finished just in time for singulo
fml
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>>175008441
Shut up faggot, ZAS stun timers have always been the worst part about ZAS. It needs to fling you around more and do fucking damage, not flip you over on your ass forever, that shit's nonsensical and not fun.

This is coming from a guy that wishes ZAS was always set to hellish.
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>there's an actual spider in perma and no one believes you
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>>175008562
He's certainly my favorite

>>175008673
sorry family, it looked like you were trying to slip me at first. I feel bad about not believing you.
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>>175008673
>barricade it in a closed room with access to vents to make it breed spiders all over the station
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oh yeah security was actually nice that round
8/10 round desu
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>Singulo gets released in the brig
>Rush to save the perma'd clown, put him in a locker and trudge toward the sec pod
>Get messed up by radiation
>Watch helplessly as the clown drifts into the singulo

>>175008673
Sorry you got perma'd. The Captain was out for your blood and did not respond to my requests to put you on parole, and it didn't seem reasonable to go against him yet. (The Captain being among the people in Space Law who are authorized to escalate sentences.)
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>tfw escaping the singulo on a custom shuttle run on memes and dreams
Top fun.
Thanks dragonbro
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>>175008562
>Gabriela

MY WIFE NOBODY LOOK AT HER
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>>175008237
Do whatever you feel like then dizor, I ain't requesting anything if you clearly just got mad at me, as a tip though, never give hints or blatanly state who you are in the thread, it almost always ends badly, just let the shitposters use your art until they get bored, if they know you get your panties in a twist they have a reason to continue doing it and wont stop anytime soon.
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>>175006792
What exactly is Carsh's history? Like how big of a shitter are we talking here?
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>>175009242
someone post digitalis's notes too
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>>175009242
Probably has the worst history of any player playing as long as he has with silicons. He's just so retarded he can't understand how they work at all.
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>>175008649
>ZAS was always set to hellish.
But anon, ZAS IS always set to hellish.
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>>175009242
He admitted to metagaming with sawbones and somebody else. He did not get banned.

He doesn't understand silicons at all and always fucks up with them.

He's a discord shitposter and australian too.
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>>175007271
I-is that a hamburger golem beating up a poutine golem?
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When will we get this classic song on the juke? It's perfect greytider anthem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taQzjWkHJjY
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>>175009142
Thanks, and sorry, lashing my problems out on others, even anon, is sorta shitty.

>>175009472
yessir
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>>175009559
Universal Waifu theme first
https://youtu.be/VpbImVaTutw
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>>175009559
Man those first two verses are way too hiphop flow for grime. That set of last verses though before the final chorus is banging though. Pretty good tune but 2017 has had some wicked grime tunes this barely competes.
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>>175010176
I posted it ironically, it's fucking shite. I'm sick of grime it's a boring genre and it's the only thing people think of this country for when it comes to music.
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>>175010176
Yo innit you was saying haha fucking prat cunt
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>>175008018
Also he does this all while furiously masturbating
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Wait, are notes public?
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>>175010807
Notes are given upon request, for transparency. That being said notes related to suspicions of banevasion and metagaming are hidden which has yielded an adequate amount of asspain.
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Please post 2hotdogs notes, all accounts
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>>175010372
aye mate nothing wrong with grime. If its boring you aint finding the right tunes. Some certified bangers out there. I'm more partial to a bit of instrumental grime though, all about good beats, but it's not like there aint no good bars going round.
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>>175011119
Oh OK, I think I'll ask for mine. I'm not a shitter but it's still nice to know where I stand.

Are notes for shittery only, or can notes also have positive things said?
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>>175010523
Rudeboi shut up. Don't come round my yard acting like a big man when you nothing
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>>175011458
Positive notes are rare, you are much more likely to have bad or mocking/neutral ones but they do exist
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>>175011441
fuck of wasteman
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Looking at the logs, Digitalis' reasoning seems to have been that since he was Antagonist banned for killing himself as an Antagonist without Ahelping, it should be fine if he used the stuff he found in the space vault to become an "auxiliary" Antagonist:

>ADMIN: PM: Digitalis/(Simon Bode)->Zealotron/(Sawbones): As I saw it the antag ban was applied to not take up someone else's antag slot, since I had previously logged without good reason. Basically meaning that I wasn't fulfilling the expectations of a roundstart antag. When I was at the beacon the idea was, since I'm an "extra" antag there isn't a real responsibility, ie I could've suicided right after becoming antag.

This is technically Jobban Evasion in the same way that getting a job transfer to Security while Security Jobbanned is, however they are hesitant to ban him:

>ADMIN: MOD: Zealotron/(Sawbones) : to me it feels like not the greatest reason to ban him, however he does have that extensive history. it sounds like his antagging was at a minimum even

The ban:

>[12:21:11]ADMIN: zealotron has banned digitalis.
>Reason: Evaded his antag ban using a syndicate relay. Given Mrpains comment in your last ban appeal it's been upped to this. Feel free to appeal
>This is a permanent ban.

I think he could totally appeal this. If he went to go play in some other server in the range of /vg/ and got a recommendation, then I think they would approve his appeal.
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>>175011896
Me? A wasteman? Breh don't start with me. You got me gassed, kissing my teeth innit. Call me a wasteman one more time n you'll regret it.
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>>175011907
Digi is really not THAT BAD. he just has a tendency to sperg out and has a shit attitude, much like avada. A shame that he couldn't shape up before the banhammer caught up to him.
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>>175011907
They would, but realistically, it wont happen. Same with morena, these guys just plain outright aren't good players, they wont get a letter of commendation because they simply never play well enough to deserve it, they have shitter blood in them, they push it as much as possible, they go for the lament possible ways of antagging, they manage to irritate every single person on the server, they create friendships/grudges with the admins and make drama up the ass, they ocasionaly shine through and make some good rounds but more often than not, its just too much trash.

They aren't completely trash, that award goes to sue, that spaniard, disarm spamming, armory raiding kumquat, but they come close.
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>>175012071
Uh, go away relegated
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>>175011907
>get antag ban
>get around it in a way you know can make you antag
>since I'm an "extra" antag there isn't a real responsibility
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>>175012381
morena is just a tesco value rhydens desu
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>>175012463
Madting.
It's hard to convey the real tone over text.
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>>175012381
only time I've ever seen digitalis manufacture drama was with the whole no-fruit nerf thing and in the end he mostly won anyway
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>>175012608
!
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>>175012608
rhydens is a asda value riekland
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>>175012934
who are either of those people
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>>175013146
shitters, thats all you need to know
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>>175013146
british players that play waifus
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>>175013509
we're all shitter here
>>175013576
>br*tish
rangeban the UK WHEN
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>>175014080
the real people you want to ban are the russians
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>>175005247
>MoMMibot: Help: Diavil/(Silenzio): warden is selling me to the vox for a donk pocket send help
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>>175014214
Overpowered Role List
3. Miner. A Donk Pocket Box on the mining outpost, really? People will just powergame it. Needs an immediate fix.
2. Chef. Yeah, the no maint access balances it out, but a Donk Pocket Box roundstart? Kinda extreme.
1. Virologist. True, his job is often useless, but he gets a free Donk Pocket Box in the break room. Ridiculous.
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>>175014080
riekland is scottishow don't lump them in with the rest of the UK
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>>175014580
hey you're missing out more
on metaclub station a solo assistant can get up to 3 or even 4 donk-pocket boxes alone by himself

this is really powercreeping, yeah sure the metaclub maint might not have the radical steve from box or the cool loot from deff but 4 donk-pocket boxes?

i say we remove the maintenance access from assistants on metaclub to compensate for that
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>>175014580
>>175014926
Would you two like to come work at the Ivory Tower? No job review, peer review, or responsibility required
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>>175015071
no thanks, i'm more of a ideas guy myself
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The Carsh permaban seemed bad to me. He was tricked into killing by an antag. That's a very flimsy excuse to jump on someone. Yeah he's shit and was gonna fuck up and get perma'd eventually but you could have waited another week for him to mess up and give you a proper, solid reason to ban him. It just sets a bad precedent. If a traitor successfully starts a witch hunt, by planting evidence, to get their target killed are you gonna hand out bans for it?
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>>175015274
Apparently only if he tricks someone important.
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>>175015274
Is the idea of examining each case individually so hard for people to do? A traitor planting evidence is not the same scenario as knowing someone YOU killed is a ling and blindly believing them telling you to go kill these two other guys who are totally ling and then blindly disbelieving the MMI of one of those guys repeatedly telling you he's not a ling
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>Protect the space station against damage. Anyone you see harming the station is to be no longer considered human, and is a threat to the station which must be neutralized
What did the non-antag captain mean by this?
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>>175014723
Reikland is CUTE!
Ailsa a cute. Ailsa a best.
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How the hell did the clown become invisible? So many whispering honks and horn sounds.
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>>175015274
>kills ling
>puts it's brain in a jar
>based purely from the man he just killed, kills 2 other people with no evidence

yeah he was duped real good
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>>175015727
>Dragonbro is an admin
gee I wonder
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>>175015602
I know its hard for a non rp server to follow this law but thats not antag worthy
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>>175015274
>be sec
>some assistant stops me
>"Hey man the captain is a ling"
>immediately kill the captain, no questions asked
Is this the idea of a good thought process?
>>175015602
Don't break into places, you greyshit.
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>>175015274
Carsh killed multiple people because a changeling MMI told him to. There was no false evidence. There were no other accusations. He went out of his way to find two people and shoot them to death with literally no evidence but "yeah these guys are totally changelings"
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>>175015727
probably dragonbro being a shitmin again
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>>175014723
scotland is not a real country and will recieve the same derision that ireland recieves
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>>175015807
>>175015836
Putting that law is literally the same as a captain finding someone breaking a window for giggles and immediately executing them himself.
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>>175015727

Was fun! FUN!

I was the clown. Got myself killed after broadcasting that there were carnivorous potted plants going about and that should you see one, you needed to run. I was dragging them when someone started shooting... Definitely a clever death.

Thanks Dragonbro, I guess. Thought it was a bug at first.
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>>175015951
no because he changed the silicon's laws so they have to do it, and every greyshit now KNOWS they can't do things that the silicons don't like or they're toast.
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>>175015951
You know it's one of the default law boards though right?
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What part of Nar-Sie do I aim for with the railgun next time?
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>>175016231
Well, when you spectate him you go into the middle, but he's technically a singularity type so I don't think it'll work
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How do I open safes?
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>>175008637
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>>175005247
MoMMibot: Help: Salamandooo/(borer (830)): is it metagaming to seek out rin to be her borer because I know she's an antag and it'll be fun
Wait is this punishable? I always rush antags when I'm a borer
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>that guy that RP'd as Samurai Jack
>whispered 'Hail Aku' next to him until he chased me with his sword and got arrested
>Grabbed it from evidence and threw it at him, expecting a fight to the death
>instead he sudokus
What's your favorite witnessed gimmick, thread
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>>175016707
>Be ghost
>Mr. Ling says, "I am the chaplain"
>Suddenly borer
>Climb in the pipe and jump out outside of science
>First guy I see is chaplain
>WELP
>Climb in and say Hi
>Poor guy is a dope, first guy he stings is the other changeling, then proceeds to tell me who the third changeling is before spilling his spaghetti and getting arrested
>Say fuck this and bail
>Crawl into the HoS as he's arresting Chaplain
>You drip into his ear, "So hey, I might know some things"
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>>175016707
Darting for a location or person you learned of from ghosting is metagaming.
But if you encounter them in the hallway without knowing then it's all good.
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>>174999708
Stationeers devs said they plan on allowing code extensibility as part of its modding support, so assuming that actually becomes a feature it will be just as extensible as Byond spessmen is currently. Assets will be easier to make too, as 3D is definitely a lot easier to bang out content for. Maybe not as easy as banging out programmer art, but definitely easier to create art assets in general
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>>175017693
>3d is easier to make art for
Really?
I'd figure 32x32 sprites would be way easier.
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>>175017804
Yeah I'm not sure what that guy is talking about. I mean... I personally can make 3D shit better than I can draw, but that is not generally the case.
That said, you DO only have to make each asset once rather than once per frame, so animating 3D stuff IS much easier than animating 2D
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>>175017996
Yeah that's kind of what I mean

The game seems to be going for a low poly/flatshaded look though, so it should be easier for less skilled artists to model stuff
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So... Never take the pills a robot makes you
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I've been gone for a few months. Any fun ban apples to read?
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bunker when
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>Mfw watching that poor IAA desperately trying to escape singulo while pleading for his life and getting fucked over by atmo

It was so sad but also so funny at the same time.
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WHO ELSE LOVES THEM SOME ROUND END MURDERBOOOOOOOONE?
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>>175021509
Wait, the IAA, or the Private Detective? If it was the IAA, I feel bad for him. First the clown stole his briefcase and now this
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>>175021654
I stuffed his whole office into that briefcase and ran away, poor bastard
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>>175021654
He didn't do so bad considering he made it to the shuttle.
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>>175021757
Fortunately I found his briefcase in escape after you got spaced
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>>174996413
There's no reason to accept unbanning her at all. Even while banned she's being a turboshit. There's no benefit to here coming back.
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>>175021860
Why's she even banned? I mean specifically, not
>you have shit notes and I'm banning you for your mental health
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>>174997717
The best way to antagonize is to keep recalling, fixing shit, and cloning/posi->MaMMI/diona headswap people. Station time 22:41 and a deadmin request for who BSA'd you is the real antagonist
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zealo is killing the ban page lately jesus christ
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>>175021860
>her
Cmon dude... seriously?
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man, /vg/station is some of the most hypocritical garbage I've come across.
>"I only ban rule breakers sometimes"
everytime I come on, if im not playing as a shaft miner roleplaying as a cuck who gets scared of social interaction and only stick to mining will I not get fucking bwoinked.
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>First time traitor, read the wiki but nervous as fuck
>Also aware I'm being hunted, so double nervous
>No idea how I'll kill my target
>Suddenly AME explodes
>My target is running around in an atmos suit, surveying the damage
>He stands by the singulo too long, gets rad poisoning and dies
>Stuff his body in a locker, tell borg I'll take him to medbay
>Somehow manage to stuff his body in some remote locker
>Rig up a welderbomb, thinking it'll gib him in the locker
>Detonate, come back, realize his body is perfectly fine
>Some sec officer sees me outside dragging his body away, but it doesn't matter because the station is getting eaten by Lord Singuloth
>Probably 20 minutes after he dies (and far past the point it matters), I finally space his stupid body
W-wew...
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>>175022048
He needs to. Sawbones is historically way too soft on people and it's good to see him taking up the mantle.
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>>175022301
I think this might be a sign of Zealot finally burning out and getting tired of everyone's shit. Another person turned into a jaded asshole, another decently ban-happy admin.
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>Finally get antag after many rounds
>Decide to steal bombs
>blow myself up at the start of the round

>After round check my position on the server antag queue
>Demoted to low-priority antag queue

Fuck you admins
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>>174999206
Use hotkeys and stop making full drinks for every order.

>>175021931
metafriending, metagrudging, non-antag murder, constant malicious greytiding, baiting, constantly shitting up ooc/thread/forums with their shit

>>175022139
It's 2017, nobody cares but you autists.
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>>175022420
>Lazy metafriending dumbfuck
>Abusive retard
I don't know which ones worse.
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>>175022630
I'd rather he just be deadminned for his own health and be taken out of power entirely.
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>>175022550
How do you check?
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>>175022420
nah I'm still ok
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>>175022705
>Own health
Great idea for all the wrong reasons
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>>175004939
Funfact, solving your own problems because the admins usually do fucking nothing when you get bent over by griefers over and over and over and over netting you a lot of bans. Then suddenly this is your life for every admin interaction: http://roosterteeth.com/episode/camp-camp-season-1-david-gets-hard-camp-camp-episode-9

Being a little bitch is the only way to save your ability to play here.
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>>175022550
>Antag priority
>Checkable
GIB LINK!
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>>175022550
D O E S N T
E X I S T
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>>175023124
>>175022726
metaclub only
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>>175008781
There's a wall screen by the prison wing lockers and the perma doors. Use it next time and you'd see it on camera
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>>175011907
He's repeatedly been a fuckup and has an unbroken chain of being a fuckup recently. He toes the line constantly when he plays. There's no benefit to unbanning him and he's relentlessly proven he doesn't give a shit about the rules.
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>>175012763
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/issues/created_by/despotate
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pulls?q=is%3Apr+author%3Adespotate+is%3Aclosed
https://github.com/despotate?tab=overview&from=2016-11-01&to=2016-11-30&utf8=%E2%9C%93
I don't know how to pull his comment list but he's a giant piece of delusional shit.
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>>175015274
Psssst. Get 2 other guys, cuff the "ling" and shove it in solitary then sit on your hands. If you want to get valids, you have to own the consequences. If you want to take risks on probation it's not going to be a dayban for getting it wrong, it's gonna be your permaban reinstated. Go home carsh, you're toast.
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>>175023734
Nothing's jumping out at me
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>>175023957
Don't forget the implants. Which might be more effective if you sleep them first so they don't know they're implanted--if that works, I don't actually know if slept people DO NOT get the "you're getting implanted" message.
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>>175023984
He's a gigantic trader tider that constantly antags as nonantag trader and tries to power creep trader stuff hella hard.

>>175024223
Nobody with half a brain has trouble riding out most chemplants by the time they're found out and procc'd, if they put on their suit they can often trigger them while in perma to get rescued by med and then escape from medbay never to be seen again, ling and vampire can take an instacrit chemplant then revive, and it's a miracle if you can tard wrangle someone else into pdaing you a tracker loc constantly after they revive. flashbang and fuck em.
Protip: Any implant doesn't help you if it's a ling by the way
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>>175024693
Haven't often interacted with him as a trader
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>>175024693
tracking implants do help against a ling though, you can see who they are even if they shapeshift and you can use the handheld locator to find them. Chem implants also put the fear of god into unrobust antags and even force robust antags to inconvenience themselves to deal with them, which can buy you time to find them, or put them off their goals for a little while longer.

And if you trigger a chloral/sleeptox implant on a ling when you know other officers have hit contact you can buy your officers time to fuck them up and get them under control. Even if they have antitox in their systems that should be a slowdown and vision blur at the very least, unless I'm forgetting some shit about changelings that lets them completely purge their system of toxins or makes them immune or something.
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Who was the good bird chef who like, made poutine? A lot of poutine? Chikiwekafuck or whateverthefuck his fucking name was.

Does he code?
does he code recipes?
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>>175025101
50u chloral will sleep anyone for 10+ seconds regardless of antitox.
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>>175025278
50 u of chloral will sleep someone forever
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>>175024223
>>175024693
Lings can turn into monkey and back to normal to remove all implants.
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>>175024693
Isn't he wunderbar? I've never seen him antag as a non antag trader, half the time he ends up in security anyway
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>>175025101
Shifting deletes their implants. If you think it's a ling, the best thing to do is to force him to shift or sting so you can kill him or sit on your hands watching him until shuttle call so he can't do anything unless NT actually sends a prisoner transfer shuttle for once.

Anyone is able to purge themselves without any chem dispenser.
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>>175026013
I don't remember, he changes names periodically to duck the heat he makes.
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>>175026178
doesn't he only have one static as trader
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>>175026370
I don't know how to make a script to pull them but he's changed repeatedly cause I'll see him with a new name when I look up who was being such a shitcunt as a trader I didn't recognize this time.
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I'm using windows 10, I can connect to the server but not interact with it, anyone know what's up? I want to start playing this game again.
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>>175026458
You're ip banned probably. It's been happening a lot from all the pub griffers hopping all over. Not really anything you can do.
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>>175025193
Kilozombie
no
and
no
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>>175026061
bullshit, unless that was changed recently it doesn't delete implants.
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>>175025840
>>175026061
I believe that was fixed a while ago.
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>>175025193
What kind of recipe are you looking for? They're easy to make as long as there's sprites.
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>>175026717
>>175026735
How long was a while ago cause I got fucked by it like a month ago. It's really shit seeing the chem and tracking implant gone and knowing they could be anyone by now.
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>>175026624
I thought you were fucking with me but I joined Bagil just fine and can interact. Why the fuck would I be ip banned? I haven't played in years.
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>>175027138
Most IP's aren't static so oyu probably just have a serial griffer in your area.
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Are there any players here that do not know how to cult and would like to learn?
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>>175027793
I fucking hate cult, I set it to never and wish it'd just gib me upon conversion
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>>175027793
Yes, I had no idea how to use anything when I was converted.
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>>175028147
you can request a cult ban, it makes it so that you can't be converted and then cultists just kill you instead.
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>attempting to resist out of handcuffs stuns you

stop this meme. Why did it take so long for people to realize how atrocious coders are?
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>>175028147
I've never been bwoinked for not culting as a convert. There is still performance pressure there I guess.
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>>175028862
Well, if you're up for a lesson log on to the test server and ahelp.
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>>175029106
What?
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>>175029528
trying to resist out of handcuffs stuns you so that you cannot move. It's been like this for a long while and I'm pretty sure it was some asshat like PJB that put it in.
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>digitalis permabanned

he had it coming
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>>175029867
>stuns
no it doesn't
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>>175030317
Yes it does.
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>>175030515
It really doesn't.
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>>175030317
It prevents you from moving, but not speaking.
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>>175030515
No, it doesn't because I did it the other day fine. Stop trying to slide.
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>>175030735
Moving cancelling the resist is not a stun.
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H O N K
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>>175030917
That's the thing though, when you resist you cannot move at all. The only way to move, is to make yourself rest, get back up, then you can move and then it cancels the uncuffing.
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>>175030654
>>175030830
It literally stops you from moving, you cannot do anything. That's a stun mates.
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>>175030735
You can speak when stunned retard
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>>175031151
Are you sure you're not talking about some pubbie server?
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>>175031151
>>175031119
No, you can move to cancel the resist.
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>>175031104
HOW FAR WILL ONE CLOWN GO TO RETURN HOME?
STARING:
CLOWN AS CLOWN
DICK SMELLER AS THE CE
VOX #2513 AS THE VOX
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>>175031119
>>175031207
I distinctly remember a couple of instances this week when I cancelled a resist attempt by moving, Unless its specifically a problem with hotkey mode or something.
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>>175031214
Yes I'm sure.

>>175031224
No you can't.
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i would've gotten willy out of perma if i grabbed the taser gun but for some reason you can fucking push yourself
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>>175012582
realistically the ONLY way to get banned from antag is to suicide or do nothing as one
if you put down the decision tree for standing in front of a syndie beacon then you have
1. stay a non antag and suicide
2. stay a non antag and don't suicide
3. become an antag and suicide
4. become an antag and don't suicide
1 and 2 aren't bannable, and 3 is only different from 1 by whether or not you decided to click on the uplink, you don't accept any of the real responsibility to the round that you do when becoming a roundstart antag
so while he's still on the most technical grounds ban evading, the very compelling argument here is that he put himself in a position where no matter what, he could not possibly get banned for the same reason he originally was, and in fact can not possibly get banned for anything at all except metagaming and erp
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first solo SME
suggestions and criticisms are welcome
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>>175031287
Well then find the PR that did it cause I sincerely doubt it.
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>>175031287
Yes you can, I have done it hundreds of times.
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>>175031256
>>175031104
"My first clown adventure"
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>>175031276
did you cancel a handcuff resist immediately after resisting?

>>175031341
You go try it in game, try to move after resisting out of handcuffs, I dare you.

>>175031362
And literally every time I have tried I have not been able to move after resisting, at least not for some 15-20 seconds.
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>>175031339
Pj is such a Lil fucking nigger
The way he acted idgaf what he coded, better off without that little reddit nigger, oughtta go to TG and kill himself Jesus fuck
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>>175031339
Don't need that much shit, you could have gotten power generation much faster.Devices in different directions can overlap so move the subbers left 1 and take out the right 3 and top middle glass. It's wasted space that's slowing your chiller and scubber efficiency.
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>>175031440
Usually when I move it's because the person who cuffed me has come back to drag me away and I yakkety some more. Hopping on the test server now to confirm.
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>>175031440
tell you what, let's go to the test serb senpai
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fridge's complaint was absolutely justified however I was hoping that he'd file a complaint with the IAA or something for granting improper charges
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>>175031639

fridge doesn't bitch out like that, if shitcurity wants to be shit, he'll take it
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>>175031769
but it was the ONE time a grey was actually right in saying that security is doing space law wrong, I was hoping things would've been different
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>>175031594
Results are in, turns out theres a 10 second window when you begin resisting in which you cannot move. after which you can.
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>>175031874
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS AND NO ONE EVERY BELIEVED ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>175029879
What'd he do to make everybody hate him?
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This is your engineering team hard at work.
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>>175031836

who were you in the round?
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>>175031935
I guess 10 seconds always passed before I needed to run or get captured
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>>175032013
H-How does he do that?
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>>175032080
type rest.
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>>175031874
>>175031935
You can also resist out of the resist stun
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>>175032029
Yeah it's the kind of thing that really only affects you if gamble on a corner resist in the middle of the brig with the lights out and security chasing you. Sometimes it works, but most of the time they find you pretty quick and that's when the 10 seconds really get you.
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>>175032013
>sleeping next to a volatile, burning shard of a collapsed star
Radical.
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>>175032186
I haven't been in that situation.
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>>175032176
you can lay down and reset it maybe but you can't literally resist out of it.

>>175032284
I have, and that's why I know.
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>>175032176
we're gonna need frame data on this if we're gonna have any chance of winning the tourney.
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>>175032313
>>175032176
actually scratch that, I can't even lay down to cancel the stun. This is stupid tbqh
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>>175032080
Script in the AAC that kept the room at a human safe pressure by siphoning excess oxygen when it gets over 101 kpa.
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>>175032017
warden
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>>175032775

did you realize you were wrong at some point after?
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Guys, it's over. Atmosia wins. The server wins. What a wonderful day it is to be alive in spess.
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>>175033173
Someone needs to ban this kid
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>>175032856
yeah
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>>175033321
get the pain train and rat prince duo on it
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DID TG JUST GO DOWN?
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>>175033173
>When a moderator/admin makes a snarky comment, then immediately locks the thread so they have the last word
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As a changeling, how far does your paralysis sting initially go, and does it disable the victim from talking when paralyzed?
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>>175033590
Please no. Not again.
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Salamandoo, I'm concerned for you
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>>175033173
>Calm responses disagreeing with the addition of such feature and why
>FUCKING RETARDS LMAO I'M ABOVE THESE DUDES FUCK THIS PR
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https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/67i87g/looking_for_a_server/dgqlvbu/?context=3

Has he been advertising on fucking reddit?
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: ^ )
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>>175035329
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>>175035542
Epic. he makes that same exact joke every single time he logs in
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>>175033732
No. You need to take mute sting for that.
Most people do stun + mute sting + cuffs but honestly just ghetto chem chloral hydrate and suck two losers for death sting. It does both and kills the target, too. Helps you kill officers trying to cuff you, validfags trying to end you, and more.
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>>175035542
>Jackson Beckett buckles in!

Favorite part
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Slimes with faces when?

Slimes with different eating habits when?

Vacpack when?
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Does stabbing someone with a syringe inject all 15 units?
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>>175037383
try
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>>175037383
between 0 and 5
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>>175037319
I find them nice as ez science. I remember when they were metroids and that sucked.
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>megawatt TEG
>zero 5x'd devices used

really gets my pull requests merging

PJB WUZ RITE
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REV BACK IN ROTATION WHEN?
REVSQUAD REMOVED WHEN?
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>>175038836
Rev is still in rotation. The real question is when do we remove both.
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>>175035949
Where's ghetto Chem on boxstation?
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>>175039510
any bathroom
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>>175037319
>different eating habits
cannibalistic slimes when?
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>>175039568
I mean where would I get Chlorine, water, and Ethanol if not from a dispenser?
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>>175038295
>implying 1MW is high
It was at 70MW before i accidentally the burn chamber

But dont lump my Enginefu in that shitty ass drama
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>>175039895
from ghetto chem
read the wiki
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Free Emilia!
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what fraction of spessmen can play every single job competently
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>>175040341
0%.
Trust me, I'm an admin
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>>175039895
I can understand not knowing how to get the others but
>water
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Does anyone have a link to the /ss13g/ discord? I've heard people talking about it, but I can't find a link to it anywhere.
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>>175039510
>>175039895
>>175039963
>>175040767
You guys have to remember that we're literally the only station with ghetto chemistry. That's like our lavaland or whatever.

It's kind of fitting in a way, because it's so autistic and greytide
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>>175041146

>General Discord:
https://discord.gg/sjwFc9b
>Coding Discord:
https//discord.gg/ZmJKnyF
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>>175031874
This comes from a do_after argument which naturally limits how long the do_after lasts for
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>>175040748
really?
i'm almost to this point, and there's people that have been playing 3 times longer than me
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Why do we have the strict rule of not advertising on reddit if pjb breaks it non stop and never gets punished for it?
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>>175041590
Don't delude yourself
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>>175041776
Reddit has "known" about us for a very long time now. The rule is against posting the IP so we don't get flooded by people who aren't smart enough to find 4chan.
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>>175041889
Doesn't matter to PeeJayBee
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>>175041357
somebody else has to have stolen it by now
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>>175041975
He didn't post the IP, like I just said
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>>175040767
Guess I figured there was some ass backwards way of getting it besides sinks/toilets.

Ethanol is proving difficult though. Vodka yields potato juice in the eletrolyzer, and whiskey didn't even react. Beer just yields flour.
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>>175042258
Beer, whiskey, gin, etc. are subtypes.
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Deal with it
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>>175042851
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
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>>175042851
>>>/r/madlads
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>>175042851
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>>175035181
Probe does too out of a misguided idea that it will do anything to help deadpop

>>175037319
As soon as you use the light pink extract jug on a slime

That's what space carp are for

I dunno what a vacpack is

>>175038295
It was 70mw and climbing before he was expanding the coolant loop. The problem was he didn't valve onto it so every time he wrenched a new section of pipe on he deleted more gas from the pipenet which spiked it. You can also do a 5-20mw starting cycling teg as well which goes up if you hash your coolant H/E, hash your burn chamber H/E, stub it for a sequential burn chamber down the road, pipeline split recursive feedback fuel lines and plasma pipeline into the cold loop. A second offset teg helping step down a second time helps a lot too even though it's pretty heavy on the space and metal cost of adding a second reservoir. Removing 5x isn't gonna stop runaway power numbers, it's not gonna stop rad collectors, it's not gonna stop sing bay emitter prisms. It's doesn't do dick but shit things up and you can bet your credits we wont get roundstart thermite, additional minerals, and more RCD's+boxes of chips.
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>>175041590
I've been playing for around 5 years and I refuse to touch anything atmos
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>>175043123
>>175043912
>>175044323
You faggots are lucky enough I code for you
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>>175044540
Even though you're a shitposter false flagging, we're really not. We'd be better off without him at this point.
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It's impossible for anyone to learn how to code and also remain a decent person
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>>175044813
The problem is you start chasing better "design" instead of better gameplay and that takes you off the rails.
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>>175044813
That's true when you're coding for shitty people.
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>>175044946
It's all too easy to dehumanize them and polarize the conflict
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>>175044540
I'm back to finish the job
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>>175045028
Communists aren't human.
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>>174999206
stationeers just has this rock 10/10 game would pirate
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>>175045134
>it's s pomf episode
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>>175045134
Remove pjb's collab flag.
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>>175045134
Remove my collab
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>>175045134
For the love of fuck pomf save us. cluster and PJB's merge rights have to go. You're literally the only one who can hold them accountable in any significant way and it's only a matter of time at this point as they're increasingly flying off the rails. They're already disregarding the PR guidelines they're supposed to enforce as we saw with attack animations and they're now increasingly pulling shit like https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14723 , https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/14722 . Their vision doesn't match up and something's gotta give.
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>>175045475

These changes are maybe not the best but you guys really need to start giving him better answers than "no."
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>>175045475
Attack animations won the first AND second poll, just let it go already.
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>>175045712
"No" is a valid fucking answer. When people don't want something, they're allowed to tell the coders that.
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It's only democracy when it's the result I want
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>>175045789
If people don't want something, the onus is on them to explain why since the coder already put in the effort to code it.
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>>175045134
Please, for the love of god, kill PJB. I don't even care about the actuall attack animations shit anymore, I care (and everyone else cares) about the fact that he's gotten to the point that him and half his collab buddies are just abusing self-merge priviledges and completely ignoring the input from everyone who says they don't like his changes.

>>175045712
>>175045789
This. "No" is a valid answer. If the people from an affected department do not want the change, they do not have to give any reason other than "no, fuck off." We do not have the obligation to allow them to merge anything they want just because they coded it or because they do it for free. If they don't like that, they can fuck off to TG.
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>>175045891
People have. He doesn't listen.
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Don't even try and argue with me, I am far superior to you in any intellectual arena.

>>175045771
It won the second poll because TG flooded in when their server was down, sending the vote in Nos favor last minute
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>>175045931
The flip side of "when you code it" is the express implication that unless there is a pressing reason not to add something, that we will add it. "No, fuck off" is not a valid answer to anything.
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>>175046014
>when you code it
Is a fucking meme made to get "idea guys" to fuck off.
It is not a policy, and it is not a statement that just because it is coded, it will be added.
If it is a shit change that people do not want, then it will not be added. End of story. There does not have to be a reason for WHY people think it is a shit change, if people do not want said change, then they do not want it.
Fuck off with your ivory-tower sympathy shit. The playerbase has all authority over coders. If they do not approve of the coder's ideas, then the coders can suck it. Yet again, the door to TG is right there, if you don't like how we do shit here, then you need to fuck off over there to their little hugbox where every retarded change is added regardless of playerbase opinion.
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>>175046014
But it is. You are presenting something to the community. If someone in the community doesn't like it, "no" is a valid answer to give.
This server is based on 4chan. You'll have to deal with a faceless mob of a community and not a list of usernames like on a forum.
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>>175046162
How triggered are you mate. That is exactly what when you code it means.

There does have to be a reason why it is a shit change, do you think a few bandwagonners and metaclubbers can get to run the server just because they share UPVOTES on PRs? You're trying to make this server into what is literally a reddit server where upvotes and downvotes and bandwaggoning circlejerks decide everything.
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>>175045789
>>175045931

The problem is that you're not really having any kind of discourse over this. You guys just say "no" and then PJB gets asshurt about it because he wanted to implement it for reasons he never really told anyone. To be fair it's his responsibility to talk this over with the community and try to work it out.

For example, he says something about nerfing engineering power collection because at some point he wants to make Engineering more complicated. This is entirely fair, there's like four or five different ways of producing energy and most people just go straight for Anti-Matter or the Singularity. Who the fuck wires solars anymore? Nobody.

When I read these comments I see PJB comes off as a sperg that can't communicate his intentions and the people who hate him just seem intent on agitating the fuck out of this. All of you are being overly hostile.
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>>175046315
Yes. That is what it is, is a bandwagon circlejerk. Get over it. That's how it's always fucking been here.
You are the one who wants shit added. You give people a reason as to why it's fucking good, and you deal with the faceless horde of anonymous users who either do or do not want it.
They do not have to have any reason other than "No, I don't like it". You keep implying that the burden to prove that it's bad is on the playerbase, but it isn't. Everything is bad, until the coder proves that it is a beneficial change.
If you do not like that, get fucked and go code for TG.

>>175046387
We do not need to have discourse. If he doesn't like "No" as an answer for why we don't want his unneeded dogshit merged, then he can bugger right the fuck off.
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>>175045475
>>175045931
He won't do anything.
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>>175046525
You're absolutely wrong

Look at this PR
https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/10132
It was merged because all the reasons against it were absolutely shit.
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>>175046587
>it was merged
Because of the fact that the coders have created their own Collab meta-buddy circlejerk where they merge anything their friends want merged, regardless of what players think.
You're a statist faggot, and you need to fuck off to TG. The playerbase decides what the playerbase gets, and not anybody else.
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>>175046641
No, it's because this is the way it's always worked. You're just the newfag who only just got here on the TG train and thinks he can change the way the github works.
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>>175046525
>>175046641

You assholes are going to chase off every moderately motivated coder we've got with this attitude.
>>
PJB did nothing wrong
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>>175046587
I mean you CAN use that PR, but I'm not sure it's wise to prop up one of the posterchildses of "maliciously fucking with players via administration and code" as an example.
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>>175046768
Only the power hungry autists who have admittedly hated and refuse to visit the community they work with - like me!
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>>175046768
>>175046695
>>175046850
holy shit
r e l a x
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>>175046857
He's saying "this is the way it's always worked" its an extremely clear counterexample to exactly what he was saying.
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>>175046857
I'd like to hear how that is maliciously fucking with players. People were using that issue to grandstand about their hatred of meteors, except for SJ who was grandstanding on their ability to exploit it in a buggy way to detonate bombs without any danger.
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>>175046695
t. intigracy
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>be slow and shit
>working on this all round
>culted just before done
Cucked hard
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>>175047152
Dylan was literally an armory raiding assistant until he learned that he'd get people even more angry by being a deliberately shitty coder.
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>>175047275
literally pissed off
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>>175047330

>he doesn't greytide just for fun sometimes
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>>175047275
>even with stacking vents and shit the contraption is that big
>remove the stacking and you'd need something that literally takes 30 minutes to set up
PJB does it again
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>>175047330
To be fair Pomf greytided a lot
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>>175047392
>Not generating a gig of power, than blasting the AI from engineering
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>>175047409
The reason he didn't finish it was due to the fact stacking existed. It's another reason to remove it. It would have worked fine without all that stacking.
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>>175042430
What do you mean subtypes? They won't give me ethanol?
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>>175047152
Sarah there put forth that the fridge nerf fucked with the ability to test can bombs, which is a perfectly legitimate grievance. But it was coded and merged anyway to buff meatywhores, a game mode that is near-universally reviled, which Dylan had a penchant for forcing (even after players vote against this forcing).

Another such code fuckery instance was coding the second incarnation of cancer, which he promised was given flags that prevented him from using it. He was near the exclusive granter of cancer which eventually got him deadminned.
>>
How does one replace all the station's air with nitrogen as an AI?
Preferably without slamming everyone to death with atmos.
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>>175047732
set scrubbers to filter oxygen
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>>175047769
That is very slow and makes all the firedoors freak out.
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>>175045712
>>175045134
No is a valid answer. It's a shame they can't articulate it better but as you see in the rest of the PR he really doesn't give a flying goddamn fuck about any reasons
Giving him reasons why it shouldn't happen is a valid answer.

The changes don't stop what he's setting out to stop at all. His vague nebulous fever dream of engineering doesn't exist which is even less reason to maim something while still not accomplishing the goal.

The screenshot of a TW teg he's talking about? That was after the yield multiplier was changed to give much, much, much more because *gasp*, nobody liked spending time using larger space and taking longer to figure out teg ratio's. Sound familiar? That's the "solution" he keeps throwing up when anyone questions his pure genius. It still wont corral the teg regardless because the teg 's yield is simply a function of the time it takes to get an effective ratio of mols of gas to volume of the pipenet, number of sequential teg's to step down the hot loop, and transfer rate of the burn chamber/coolant loop and most attempts to do so simply remove it will stop it from being a roundstart engine to get a stable 400kw from required modifications or it'll still be broken simply by experimentation to find a good ratio of transfer rates to gas cycling rate

He doesn't care about close quarters that can't as easily manifold a bunch of vents out which also has the consequence of having to socket all over the place or jenga around a removed vent/scubber to stub off of.

Despite that in many cases quintupple stacking is not only unnecessary but wastes time he insists that it's required. He insists that you can just use more space ignoring the amount of additional time it takes to tear everything in the way down to do so. Something that firmly shoves it from station power into irrelevant autism project because it takes so long. Funnily enough, this makes his goal of wrangling engine yields down so he can do "stuff" with them---
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>>175047732
air automations console scripting
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>>175045712
>>175045134
--even more uneccessary and irrelevant

The "good design" he's talking about? It's fireaxing windows and rotating your fucking engine 45 degrees into a diamond which generates a large time consuming pipe footprint or just not caring. Does he give examples of good design and skill? No. He just insults 5xing and disregards that even cycling airlocks had to be obsoleted because they were too slow to be used as they were.The change doesn't prompt any kind of good design and yet again is just another vague fever dream he uses as justification in his quest to be an asshole.

Cluster and others bring up 5x strength which shouldn't be done because it simply bleeds distro dry in the event of widespread breaches.

He talks about canister repressurization with a clear lack of experience with the impracticality for the time required to set it up compared to how much it actually accomplishes before a shuttle call inevitably gets through. He talks about CO2 canister cooling, N2O is more effective by a factor of 25% by the way, as an ideal of what atmos should be doing instead of m-muh 5x scrubbers without having actually used such cans to cool fire. Without seeing it repeatedly get pushed away from you by airflow. By it enabling spillage of the hazard because of the player being physically unable to move though a single firelock without an airlock to prevent the gas merge. For the most part it's ineffective against any plasma fire, small hazards are easily managed by the foam extinguisher/air conditioners, and it's not as simple to overpressurize as an air canister. Let alone that it is simpler to just grab your mineral toolbox's rcd to punch a hole in the floor and let that rock it without a fraction of the time it takes to setup an N2O chiller to overpressurize a can if it's really off the handle. ---
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>>175045712
>>175045134
He doesn't understand how ineffective the methods he wants, that people have a lready been there, done it, and moved on, "atmos needs better tools to handle fucked up rooms that don't involve placing down new vents.", really are. He's wildly out of touch shit talking us out of his ass and shoving his head in the sand every time anyone disagrees with him. Look at this fucking garbage. "You know when I used to play on Paradise, I heard people like fj45 talk about doing stuff like making supercooled CO2 canisters for firefighting and stuff. It's kind of pathetic how atmos on /vg/ has become so crutched behind spamming "autistic" machines to solve problems instead of being creative."

Just use more space isn't a solution. Years have proven how much trouble there are with existing issues with walls/area turfs. Takes longer is better isn't a solution because you're already in a race against the round type roulette and how long until a shuttle call is forced.

People that spent years piping pre-layers try to get through his skull that it increases the time and tedium it takes to do shit yet his head is too far up his ass

He says he doesn't care about anything anymore and he throws a tantrum and locks after dropping ""Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."" Just give him the boot he wants. He's too much of a hothead to keep merge rights at this point.

>>175045771
Then fucking revert the april fools "joke", spend all of 2.5 minutes typing a PR that follows the PR guidelines they're all too happy to enforce on -other- people, link the previous issue's, polls, PR's and it'll be in within the week no problem. Instead that entire gigantic shitshow happened
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>>175047668
He didn't ever make that promise actually, he merely said it was admin only.
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>>175046162
No, actually they don't. The only power the playerbase has is to fork and fuck off which they wont. PJB could self-merge autisgineering tomorrow and there is nothing you could do but seethe helplessly because pomf wont do anything and none of the other collabs will break the party line.
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>>175048098
>revert a merged PR
>remake the PR
>merge it again based on the poll that decided it should stay in

This accomplishes nothing, less than nothing really.
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>>175048193
He said it was locked under +FUN, which was a flag he didn't have and so he wouldn't be able to abuse it. The mendacious wanker instead locked it under +FUN arithmetic-or +SERVER; all admins get +SERVER.
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>>175045134
Oh shit it's out?

How is it so far?
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>>175048296
>Making a deceptive PR is okay only when a collab does it.
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>>175048297
Where did he say this
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>>175048321
well mining makes no sense as you don't get the resources from it. right now all you can do is spawn items in and dick around with them. I spawned a buncha chickens and lightsabered them, would give webm but its too large
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>>175046587
>Give him good reasons
>"Suck my merge, choke on it"
Well I guess....
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>>175048364
A deceptive PR is one that is designed to deceive the collabs who have merge authority, since the responsibility of having merged it rests on their shoulders. All the collabs were told about what the PR contained before it was merged.
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>>175048364
Don't you ever fucking question me again. I did it ass prank man the camera is over there
My country (which is a real one) has a strong proud history and you spitting on it by denying me my power fantasy
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>>175048447
What reasons were there? Also I'm pretty sure that was a joke, even if it was a bad one unless you're a humourless cunt it should have been pretty obvious.
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>>175047152
Did you just call Sarah Johnson SJ?
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>>175048474
>All the Collabs
Oh good, thanks.
Thank fuck, for a moment I thought the plebeians that are the players almost were informed of the changes we were making


Feels good to be Patrician, hey brother?
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>>175048598
Yes
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>>175048395
Guess I'll hold off on getting it then
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>>175048692
well it's in alpha, can't buy it right now anyways. had to trade 10,000 cluckbucks for a key
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>>175048605
Whether you like it or not they are the ones who were blessed by pomf to have the ability to merge things. It's not being deceptively merged if all the collabs know what it is.
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>>175048765
too bad pomf only posts to shit up the thread now and not respond to people complaining about the coders
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>>175046387
No, no there was discourse in it. When PJB shuts down against anything we tell him despite that we're more experienced on the matter there's a problem. Even yourself you're completely forgetting the SME which is constantly used. His changes wont bring the teg or the sme back under control, does nothing about 80mw+ singularities and mega AME's and even in some fantasy world there's still fundamental issues with his "good ---design---" engineering. The engine(s) have to be mostly roundstart complete and able to be setup and forgot about in order to provide power in lowpop without sparking a pitchfork mob. His "solution" of fucking with layers will create problems down the road when he self-merges I mean his totally not a "self"-merge buddy clusterfrack railroads in a further rad collector nerf to try and fail yet again to get the sing and sme under control. And all for what. Want to add some kind of economy interaction with the cargo shuttle? Money is useless and after all these years the economy rework is still dead on arrival. Want to re-add job/dept objectives? That's not worth fucking everyone over for in any way shape or form. Want some kind of high power use super machine? Well you guessed it, it doesn't exist and it probably never will considering how ham handed this latest incident is. Want to turn engines into a more interactive experience with more upkeep and whatnot? Well congratulations. It's still boring and you've fucked everyone in low/medpop congratulations.He's put the cart before the horse and he's repeatedly going about it in the worst way possible like an angsty teenage nobles son with too much power and zero accountability getting egged on by his discord buddies.
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>>175048765
This is only technically not wrong.
t. a collab
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unban morena now!
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>>175048940
That's because he knows he is least aware of anyone what coders are doing at any point. It's unfair to ask him to make rulings on them from hearsay from people who are so obviously buttblasted.
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>>175048993
Prove it, or don't tell me that collaborators are also afraid of posting their names now
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>>175047330
Don't forget the pacid nerf he snuck into the chem rewrite. Say what you will, he got a lot of shit in under the radar

>>175047409
>Said nobody who's worked with successful TEG's
It would have taken longer from having to spread it out and pipe all over space building a massive chiller instead of just rcding the floor. If you aren't cycling then you need to up transfer rate
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>>175049161
I'm on mobile, but I guess if you REALLY can't believe I'm Exxion I can get out of bed.
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>>175048650
Oh
I see
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>>175049243
How can you be exxion? I'm exxion
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>>175049309
I get that you're just memeing but it's occurred to me that it's probably easier to just get this out of the way
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>tfw Rail will never marry you
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>>175047152
>>175048564
>Being able to test something as a person is grandstanding
Is that really how you take it? It's grandstanding to not want to lose the only reliable way of testing canister bombs as a person?
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>>175048379
Shit, my B. He may not have actually said that about cancer.

Instead it was meteors.
http://ss13.moe/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2284&p=8671&hilit=embargoing#p8671
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>>175049479
man as one of the people who used to like that joke, its gotten kind of old, and i used to make fun of kaya ingame, to his face in gutter
really, the whole 'player x loves player y' thing has gotten old in general, and spess has moved on
its time to stop
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>>175049650
>spess has moved on
>
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>>175049650
I'm not sure it counts as to one's face if spoken in a language they don't understand
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>>175047878
click the vox preset then filter
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>>175048765
holy fuck
don't you have screenshots to giggle at or something?
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>>175049580
I distinctly remember him saying something about cancer and +FUN, but I also remember he was wrong because it was *actually* locked behind +FUN *or* +ADMIN, which was A) really dumb and B) enough for Dylan to use it.
Fuck you Dylan
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>>175049732
Well hey, I said it to his face. It technically counts!
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But seriously, how did you make an explosion that big?
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>>175050191
Do your research and earn it faggot
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>>175050191
Lamp oil, rope, BOMBS? YOU WANT IT? ITS YOURS MY FRIEND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE ENOUGH RUPEES
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I liked that round
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>>175050191
>big

if you've never crashed the server with 30dev after the admins turn off bombcap you dont know SHIT about toxins
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>>175050191
With a bomb
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>>175050383
>crashes the server
>30dev
Lmao go back to 2013
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>>175050383
Why don't you fags just post the formula already. I don't want to open the code to see it
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>>175050481
Kek, the point of this game is just to fuck with people who know less than you about it.
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>>175050481
I sincerely hope nobody does that. Earn your own bombs you lazy shit. That's the only balance of toxins.
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>>175050481
Plasma + Oxygen = Bomb
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Rail?

More like a shit waifu. Talk to me again when you like quality waifus like ___me___ and __me again_
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>>175050191
You must become one with the rumba beat
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>>175050481
Opening the code doesn't help. Bomb.dm is for single-tanks by the way. Best of luck.
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>>175050626
How so?
Do you mean burn mix or something else?
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>>175051075
You can make a bomb out of N2 and CO2/N2O my man. You haven't even begun to step down the rabbit hole
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>>175051159
Which is cold and which is hot?
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>>175051254
Take a guess at what holds more energy per mol/K
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>>175050968
Single tanks are for spreading N2O/sparking small plasma fires, not for boom.
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>>175051304
plasma hot oxygen cold?
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>tfw no space station 13 vn where you play as a detective and solve crimes and romance waifus and waifus (male)
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>>175050481
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Guide_to_toxins#Guide_to_Maximum_Capacity_Bombing
http://ss13.moe/wiki/index.php/Bomb_making

Honestly I'm kind of surprised google turned up anything, but this should do as a good intro.
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>>175051698
>He googled "maximum capacity bomb making guide"
SWAT is enroute to your home, please come peacefully. You are being indicted under the PATRIOT Act
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>>175051797
Nope, just Space Station 13 bombs.
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HOS if someone has vandalized a room and stolen a locker, states that they refuse to cooperate, you should arrest them especially if you are not busy with something more important.
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>>175055241
No what you do is you give them pepperspray
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>>175051360
It still gibs people fine. I'll still make them occasionally for dealing with plasmafires too. They're really good for assassinating security
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>>175055241
Shit between you two happened before I arrived to the point I can't trust either of you since your both biased and you were also antagonizing him as well. Brigging him for a couple minutes wasn't going to bring the locker back then things went to shit.
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Who is the best admin?
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>>175055423
This is incorrect. I was cleaning up the clown's graffiti, and instead of asking me to stop, he started punching me. He ignored me when I said that I would stop cleaning up his graffiti. I noted all of this in my report.
Also, remember that you follow Spacelaw. If someone is cleaning up graffiti, and the other person responds via physical force, bne into a restricted area, and theft, then you arrest the latter person, and not the former. You acknowledge that the clown stole the locker, yet you refuse to arrest him, and are instead willing to provide him with pepperspray later in the shift. This seems like an imbalance of priorities.
In addition, you should trust that an IAA's report is accurate. If you later receive definitive proof that the IAA was lying or fabricated their report, then they are to be demoted by the Captain. It is in their job description to be unbiased and truthful.
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>>175055653
sawbones
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Joaquin Guzman, you have to use like 5-7 bags, open the locker and let the grav pull suck them in. Kills it. Otherwise you're just reducing its energy partially then it wanders and sucks more in to grow back up. Wear a stabilized jetpack and don't forget your mesons either or you'll get stunned and sucked.

>>175055695
Don't fuck with his shit to prompt it in the first place; I stopped reading right after I read cleaning his graffitti. If you didn't it would have been a simple and clear arrest, brig, and we still wouldn't have gotten the locker back. I tried to make peace and you both kept riling each other up.
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>>175055423
Another point to make here is this:
>Brigging him for a couple minutes wasn't going to bring the locker back then things went to shit.
This is true. However, as Security, a lot of the time you are going to be brigging unrepentant greytiders who are going to commit crimes for the entire shift until they are in Perma. However, this does not mean that you are to ignore them. Instead, you follow the law to a reasonable degree, reducing moderate sentences with tracking implants and the like, and when it reaches the point where either the Recidivism is approaching a ridiculous degree (this rarely happens) or where they commit a justifiable perma crime on a repeat offense, you perma them with a chance for parole if they are willing to reform.

>>175055890
I did not interact with the clown after cleaning his graffiti, nor did I clean away his graffiti a single time after he punched me, so the statement that I kept riling him up is entirely incorrect. From my perspective you are making an erroneous judgement with an erroneous grasp of the facts.
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>>175055890
>>175056013
To add to this, as I forgot something: The only other time I interacted with the clown was when I asked him not to pepper-spray me with the pepper-spray you gave to him. (Also, if your goal was to mediate, why did you give him pepper-spray?)
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>>175051698
>Why do you not want to filter the Plasma tank? Think of the Ideal Gas Law. That really hot plasma you've been making actually doesn't contain that much pressure because of the relationship between temperature and pressure, and thus filling a tank full of 303 kPa of 20C Plasma will actually cool it down considerably, and fill it up with more Plasma.. When you connected the yellow Canister, it would have been at around 4000C to 5000C. Once you fill the Plasma tank, the tank will actually only be at 600C and will be full of 80%-97% pure Plasma, which is much better as I explained before (over a certain point, more heat actually hinders the bomb!). However, if you filter the tank first, it will be around 4000C to 5000C and contain mostly Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide, which is considerably worse than if you don't filter it. And on the plus side, it's easier to manufacture six (or more if Cargo complies) of these at once since you don't have to filter the Plasma tank every single time!
What is this word salad it makes no sense
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>>175056013
Seriously dude, all you had to do was admit some culpability, apologize, and try to make amends for fucking with his shit. If you fuck with something it took them a while to make they're gonna get assblasted over it. Having a stick up your ass after I ask him to return it isn't going to help them cool down and they didn't. If my grasp, that you antagonized him which sparked all this, is wrong I'd love to hear it
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any good Australian servers?
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>>175056405
As I wrote in my report, he deconstructed the IAA Office grille and stole the locker while I was telling him that I wouldn't clean up the graffiti. I cleaned up less than 10 tiles of graffiti in total, own of which was calling CC, a Borg shit, after I opened a report with him, as he was irritated by the Clown's antagonizing. (And again: Why did you give him pepper-spray if you were claiming to mediate?)
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>>175056330
The ideal gas law is a combination of gas laws which basically describes how gasses work under various conditions and with only one variable allows you to solve for the remaining value which you later use with heat capacity to find the final temp after mixing to tell if it ignites.
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>>175056405
Also, remember that it isn't just *my* office and locker, it was also the lawyer's. If you aren't doing more important stuff, it is your responsibility to enforce space law in a reasonable way.
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>>175056586
It still doesn't change that you did spark it by cleaning it.
Spray is useless
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>>175056670
I had a large list of shit to do that was above fallout of a petty grudge sparked by you. Please treat others as you wish to be treated.
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>>175056690
>>175056754
The spray indicates to me that you are more willing to help the clown's shenanigans to enforce space law. If you are really that worried about leaving the clown in the brig forever, you can implant him. If you had time to read a random IAA's report and give the clown pepperspray, you had time to arrest and process the clown.
>Please treat others as you wish to be treated.
Earlier in the shift when I reported the clown breaking into the IAA's office, you told me to detain him myself. Yes, I could have taken a flash from the bridge and cable cuffed him, but I opted to play my role. Play yours by enforcing space law.
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>>175056330
The ideal gas permit is a combination of gas law that essentially describes the use of gas under different conditions. A single variable allows you to solve the residual value of the next heat used to find the final temperature after mixing to see if it turns on.
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if I play security, am I obligated to actually act on and enforce space law if it isn't anything major?

Like, if some assistant breaks into cargo and steals some cardboard out of the hands of the quartermaster, can I accept a bribe from that assistant and not brig him?

Can I falsify the sec records and make it seem like he did, in fact, serve time, or that his crime was even less serious than it actually was?
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>>175056961
If there are no more urgent matters, yes
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>>175056961
You shouldn't accept bribes, no. Earlier a guy got banned for a week from sec for doing that.

That said however, if it's extremely petty stuff, *and the culprit is willing to cooperate*, then that is always acceptable.

>You have hopefully spotted a suspect who committed a crime. First of all, check how severe the crime is. If it's something minor and easily reparable, tell them what they have done first and try to deal with it in a civic manner. Sometimes it's just a case of self-defense or people attempting to recover stolen items. If you think that arresting them is the best option then tell them they are under arrest and handcuff them, then pull them to the Brig and detail their charges. If they run off, charge them with an additional Resisting Arrest or Sparking a Manhunt when they are caught. It's simple enough and Security is expected to attempt peaceful approaches whenever possible.

You should never falsify records as nonantag security. Since Space Law is always about context, (people breaking into eva while the singulo is loose is ok) that's your biggest friend for not arresting everyone over petty things, as long as the issue is resolved.
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>>175056896
I was kind of busy with the guy who cut the heads off of the RD and the IAA then other stuff. I grabbed and skimmed the report while I was printing victor's sec record in case I died and someone needed to know why victor was in.

>>175056961
There's a little leeway in the petty shit with the more significant and clear cut it is the more you have to. You should brig him in that case for being an ass and taking shit the QM is using. There's plenty of spare cardboard all over, it's cheap to order more and nobodies really gonna deny a cardboard crate.
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>>175056330
I fixed it
>Why do not the two plasma filter tank? Think Ideal Gas Law. It was really hot plasma, you are making a serious or not much pressure on the relationship between temperature and pressure, contain serious fast time cool down, more, thus filling a tank full of 20C Plasma 303 kPa, and it does not fill .. yellow canister of plasma than those associated 4000C to 5000C around the two became. You can fill the tank after the plasma, the tank will be valid for only 80% -97% pure 600C is filled with plasma before SOM better fork larte AS ONE (A Bomb In fact preventing heat above a certain point!). IF filter, the first tank, however, rather than two, you do not have a filter that contains oxygen and carbon based solid for 5000C and 4000C evil will be around. And the plus side, two of the six Lettere (Cargo consistent with or more) every single time you time, since the filter tank, said plasma!
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>>175056961
nah

that's how you make friends with the tide, which will almost always serve you well later on. Know how many times I've been saved by a greytide I helped earlier in the shift? Too many to count. Know how many times I've been saved by brigging an assistant for stealing some yellow gloves? Zero, and that shit comes back to haunt you.

If you want to be serious about enforcing the law for roleplay purposes or to be a respectable officer of the law, then enforce it to the letter. But if you want to be a less than respectable officer of the law for roleplay purposes or expediency, then bend it a little every now and then. As long as you don't do dumb shit you should probably be fine.

t. experienced security officer
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>>175057152
>evil will be around
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>>175057169
I think it also depends what crimes you're deliberately overlooking, also

an assistant breaking into aux cyborg recharging to steal the glubs is something I would ignore, but an assistant stealing glubs from the mechanic's workshop probably isn't
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>>175055890

Thanks for the advice, never was sure how to properly deal with a singulo beyond tossing bags into it.
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>>175057236
He can't even unlock it and if they left it open fuck em. Secure your shit retards. If it is locked then yeah

>>175057271
You can also throw them in but it's easier that way. 1 in hand for mopup will do.
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>>175057236
depends on if the mechanics even notice or complain about it really. But if you overlook the tide/antag stealing the captain's laser you might run into trouble, but it's REALLY hard to get into trouble for overlooking stuff. Even accepting bribes is weird in that regard. Someone posted a bit ago that somebody got banned for that, but what they actually got banned for was "Took bribes to arrest someone, fired off a practice laser at escape, and even shot an ion rifle around a few times." Taking a bribe to "overlook" a petty-medium tier crime is probably kosher. Taking a bribe to arrest someone as a nonantag is a little less so. though I still don't see a problem with it desu

Really it comes down to what you're willing to let go. You're not "obligated" to do anything really as long as you put a token effort into doing your job in some way and don't fuck everything up for everybody by doing something really stupid. You're more likely to get into trouble with the admins and other players by actually doing your job than you are selectively choosing when not to do it.
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>>175056330
It's saying that because there's fewer mols of gas in a given volume the hotter it gets that means that its heat capacity is terrible and when you add it to colder gases it doesn't do a lot. So in this way, a tank of plasma at 1,000,000,000 kelvin will warm up the other tank in the ttv less than say, a tank of plasma at 4000C
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Here is the basis for creating the "optimal" bomb.

Here are some of the constants we know
Maximum pressure of a single tank before fracture = 50atm (~5000kpa)
Maximum tank of the two tank combo at fracture = 100atm
Volume of tank = 70L, 2 tanks = 140L

Ideal gas law, PV = NT (N is nR, removing all constant values from the equation)

We also know that the final bomb's devastation is based solely on the final pressure of the mix. Therefore we need to optimize the bomb for pressure. We should therefore rearrange the ideal gas law to

P = NT/V

However since we are using the largest tanks we can take V to be a constant and drop it as well

P = NT

This great simplifies the process for us but leaves us with a lot of problems, how are P, N, and T functionally related. There actually is an equation in physics to solve for T given concentrations and specific heat capacities of various gases!

T = (Thermal Energy) / (specific heat capacity of gas * mols of gas + ....) where this bottom value iterates through all gas types.

This brings the most important concept into the equation, thermal energy. Maximizing thermal energy while also minimizing the total heat capacity of the final substance is very important.

To maximize thermal energy before the combustion effect, we would use a gas with a high specific heat such as plasma. However as described earlier, we also want to minimize total heat capacity.

This is where the basic "high temperature plasma plus cold oxygen" idea comes into play. It's a very very roughshod concept because higher temperature plasma does NOT guarantee a larger explosion. Here is what the pressure for that looks like

Thermal energy before = initial plasma temperature * specific heat of plasma * plasma mols + initial oxygen temperature * specific heat of oxygen * oxygen mols

Thermal energy after = Thermal energy before + minimum(oxygen/oxygen mols required to combust, plasma/plasma mols required to combust) * energy released by 1 unit of reaction
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>>175057461
no, the bribes are an issue

>[11:50:41]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Zealotron)->MRflarg/(MRflarg): Don't take bribes alright
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>>175057461
I've been playing security for a couple weeks now and the only time I got bwoinked was a misunderstanding, the admin confirming I had enough evidence against a ling. What do you usually get bwoinked for? I am curious, because I do hear about secbwoinks a lot, and apparently it's one of the reasons why people don't play it
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>>175057601
eh then again, maybe not, I mean I'd personally avoid it, but:

>[12:04:02]ADMIN: PM: MRflarg/(Flargishu)->Zealotron/(Sawbones): yeah that is true but i thought bribes fall into the relm of game mechanics?
>[12:04:34]ADMIN: PM: Zealotron/(Sawbones)->MRflarg/(Flargishu): They do, however it doesn't explain why you were shooting off a practice laser or why you were shooting an ion rifle. Which the emp from the ion can cause huge issues

idk
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>>175057573
It leaks at 3039 kpa which is the functional do not pass mark of what you can put into the ttv's.

>>175057664
Most people that get secbwoinks are hotheads and feel personally attacked by the admin just trying to figure out what happened or can't handle that an admin isn't alright with a one-man jihad against greytiding by permaing/killing/maiming people on their first petty offense. As long as you follow space law pretty close and don't exceed sentence recommendations for evidence backed crimes you're untouchable with the benefit of not getting the often asimov silicons excavating sec's ass.

>>175057724
Ion's probably the button issue since it'll cripple people taking them out of the round for 20+ minutes while that's unfucked or kill them outright in the case of hearts. The rest are IC issues at best.
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>>175046768
Good. PJB will be nothing more than a literally who only mentioned in the credits, Pomf might even be gone, nobody will remember any waifus but their own, and the game will still be played. We've gone through many incarnations. This is just another. The only constant is anon, logging in for a few rounds of spess, day after day, week after week, year after year.
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>>175057601
they're not a really big issue in general though. It really depends on the context, if only because nobody's going to ahelp you for "forgetting" the greyshit that looted tech storage for yellow gloves and an arcade board in exchange for hacking your vending machines or 200 credits. Taking a bribe from someone to arrest someone is an entirely different ballgame and puts you in the realm of LAPD which is pretty bad if you're a nonantag. I'm betting that depending on the severity of the situation, how it all plays out, and which admin is making the decision that you'll get decisions that don't fall neatly into the category of "don't take bribes"

>>175057664
I usually get bwoinked over assblasted greyshits and other assorted shitters whining to the admins about why they're in jail. In the past I've gone overboard, usually involving murdering shithead silicons, excessive use of force, or dispensing extra-judicial justice, but that's always been on me and something that could've been avoided if I kept my temper and didn't solve all my problems by shooting things. Not everybody has this problem, so not everybody gets the serious bwoinks that are an indication that you've REALLY fucked up. My advice? Don't fuck up. Follow space law to the letter and keep your cool if you don't want to get banned. Act like a real cop and deescalate situations verbally and peacefully where possible and rely on interpersonal skills more than your taser. If you follow these simple guidelines, you won't have too many problems.
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>>175057505
Continuing along the line of the "hot plasma cold oxygen" bomb

Thermal energy after is our final energy, now we need to calculate how N and T were affected by this combustion

N = nR = R (original n - mols oxygen burned - mols plasma burned + mols CO2 created)

Note specific heat will be denoted by Cp from now on
T = Thermal energy after / (Cp oxygen * oxygen mols + Cp plasma * plasma mols + Cp CO2 * CO2 mols)

Now the reason the "hot plasma" and "cold oxygen" was important is that consuming ALL the plasma maximizes thermal energy gain and minimize specific heat capacity.

Finally we can go back to P = NT

Now what is important is that these equations ARE solvable! However you need to use several constraints on your equatiosn to do so.

Constraints
1. For example, a tank >100C can only have oxygen or plasma, not both. This is therefore the maximum temperature of a mixed tank of oxygen and plasma.

2. The minimum temperature achievable is 6.4K, but that can only be reached after an infinitely long time of space cooling. 7K is much more achievable. This temperature with the ideal gas law gives you the MINIMUM HEAT CAPACITY of a tank.

3. Plasma ignites at a 3-2 ratio with oxygen, final plasma should ALWAYS equal 0, as any unignited plasma is just increasing specific heat capacity without adding to the energy released from combustion

4. The total thermal energy before / total heat capacity of the two tanks before (= temperature on mixing before reaction) must be equal to 100C for combustion to occur, this is the minimum reaction temperature.

5. Use the specific heat capacities in the code

In theory, if there were lower heat capacity gases than oxygen, there might be a scenario where they would be able to boost the final pressure even higher when replacing all non-combusting oxygen. However there are none in the code currently. But note that non-combusting oxygen is only in the mix to minimize final heat capacity of the gas while maximizing mols.
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Alright it's late, post gems

http://ss13.moe/index.php/bans

>Put a mouse-trap activated bomb in the bar, with a note saying 'do not touch', then when somebody inevitable did touch it, thought this meant that he was off the hook. After a fair few different incidents (Trying to fuck a bus through emotes, and destroying the AI cores turrets because he rolled engineer not detective) we think it might be best to give you some time off so you can grow some common bloody sense.
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>>175058214
Well it was power creep, there's really no debate about that.
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>>175058250
Not what he says
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>>175058285
What? That's exactly what he's saying. There was power creep, and now people are defending it to the death.
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>>175058209
>As a virologist, infected themselves with multiple, lethal viruses (all injected to blood via incubator, so not accidentally smashed plates), then walked around station infecting others and attempting to order even more viruses. Either did not respond or refused to respond to ahelps, previous notes of griefing within the past week.
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>>175058332
>It's powercreep and that's why people were crying to keep it in and there's no other reason you'd want it in except being retarded
That's what he says
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>>175058381
Are you saying there's another reason? Because I can guarantee you if I opened a PR today to make vents/scrubbers/whatever to go 5x faster and made them limited to one tile. It would be upvoted to hell.
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>>175057573
>>175058173
top autism lads doesn't help me make a quick bomb in toxins.
5 dev will just have to work for me cause when I try to cool oxygen I get duds even if my burn mix was 8k Celsius
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>>175058209
>Philip Jenner says, "Space me", Philip Jenner says, "Do it pussy", Philip Jenner says, "HE AINT GOT THE CAJONES", Philip Jenner [Common] (Assistant) says, "WALTER KIFER SPACING ME", HELP: Gorgonmaia/(Philip Jenner) (?) (PP) (VV) (SM) (JMP) (CA) : Aww shit negroes, that officer just spaced me, was that valid? - This, and a page of notes is why you're getting a permaban. Appeal it on the forums.

so THAT'S where the meme comes from
the fucking meme is a lie
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>>175058459
I'm not saying you're wrong and that it's not powercreep. I'm saying that he's saying that inherently makes it bad and that people were whining to get the PR closed because they didn't want anything nerfed even if it's too much powercreep, which you can listen to the PR's comments to find out is just wrong (something PJB does not do)
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also this gem that was posted earlier

>Let's start with your history Played a pretty shit Security, with such hits as "I tactically decided to welderbomb him in that hallway" and "I didn't realise I couldn't execute a human infront of an Asimov Borg", so he was permajobbanned. He then proceeded to play security as captain, executing people and arresting people, so he was jobbaned from head roles too. Not a great track record. However, he seemingly tried to improve by playing an IAA who advised security on what to do, and didn't do too bad a job when I was online. So I log in and decide, fuck it, JoJo may as well be un-jobbanned, I'm sure he's learned his lesson from his shite and I jump to him. He's wearing captain gear, kitted with all access and the title "Colonel", and trying to kill the Head of Personnel. Turns out the reason was that he didn't give you all access and rename you "Colonel", so you broke in and tried to do it yourself, and then he confiscated your ID. It's escalation, I suppose. And then as the totally not captain, you order the CMO and RD to recall the shuttle. I recommend you go to /tg/ for three weeks and get them to say you're a decent security officer/player and appeal on the forums.
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>>175058332
It's not powercreep, it's giving a new tool to a job. Xenobio just got some fun new things to do, is that powercreep? Botany now has genes identified for them, is that powercreep? Cult got their EMP rune buffed from unusable to occasionally useful, is that powercreep? Mechanics were added to bridge the gap between science and the station, but they can scan and print just about anything on the station! That sounds like powercreep to me. And don't even get me started on the chef. He now has the poutine mountain that dispenses infinite food! If that's not powercreep, I don't know what is.
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>>175058567
That means you cooled your oxygen too low. Like I said the total heat capacity needs to be greater than 100C.

If you're using pure oxygen and pure plasma in each tank, you can actually calculate the total heat capacity of each, as well as the total thermal energy of each.

Basically it's
Thermal energy of hot plasma = 200 * plasma temp (K) * mols
Thermal energy of cold oxygen = 20 * oxygen temp (K) * mols

Heat capacity of hot plasma = 200 * mols plasma
Heat capacity of cold oxygen = 20 * mols oxygen

Thus for the final temperature its (you need greater than 100C = 373K)

373 K < [ 200 * plasma temp (K) * mols plasma + 20 * oxygen temp (K) * mols oxygen] / (200 * mols plasma + 20 * mols oxygen)
373 K [ 200 * mols plasma + 20 * mols oxygen] < 200 * plasma temp (K) * mols plasma + 20 * oxygen temp (K) * mols oxygen
373 K * 200 * mols plasma + 373 K * 20 * mols oxygen < 200 * plasma temp (K) * mols plasma + 20 * oxygen temp(K) * mols oxygen

Now by shifting the like terms onto the same sides

373 K * 200 * mols plasma - 200 * plasma temp (K) * mols plasma < 373 K * 20 * mols oxygen + 20 * oxygen temp (K) * mols oxygen

200 * mols plasma * [373 - plasma temp (K)] < 20 * mols oxygen * [373 - oxygen temp(K)]
10 * mols plasma * [373 - plasma temp (K)] < mols oxygen * [373 - oxygen temp(K)]

Now what you notice about that final equation is that its mols * (constant - T). Now you see that if you put oxygen temperature EXTREMELY low it will make this value untrue.

You can actually completely solve this equation into an EXACT ratio of oxygen/plasma by using the pressure each tank will be at

Plasma tank pressure * tank volume / * gas constant = mols plasma * plasma temp (K)
Oxygen tank pressure * tank volume / gas constant = mols oxygen * plasma temp (K)
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>>175058332
Riddle me this, oh anonymous poster, what is the difference between a good mechanical addition to the game and powercreep?

In case you cant tell, here is the answer:One becomes a established feature that is balanced, exploited in miniscule ways for minor fun and doesn't become a slippery slope that goes on and on and adds more features like it to the point where balance is shattered. The other one is not balanced at all, using it is by normal standards already exploiting it since its muh better than everything else aand it leads into more and more featires like it And while you may start thinking "hey, layers are exactly the latter", if some level of creep never happened at all, every department would be boring as fuck anon. Sec without GPSs, Cargo without cash systems, Botany without gene masks, assistants without gloves, science without crazy shit like phazon and more, engies without R-UST engines, its all for the best. You have to give in a little but stand your ground to not let it slip, houses on the mountains or hills are great, you just have to make sure they don't slide down and tumble like Ian on a washing machine.
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>>175059326
That all sounds like powercreep to me; the question is if it adds enough interesting gutsy mechanical stuff to justify its existence, and if the department or whatever exceeds some personally-determined power threshold after the implementation of this or that feature.

One other thing: The EMP change and some other changes were justified by the absolutely massive nerf cult received when manifested ghosts were removed. Food for thought.
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>>175059685
The difference between powercreep and not powercreep is

1. Was the original balanced correctly?

In this case yes, it was. Everything worked perfectly and you could make creative builds to optimize vents in a tight space, such as putting 20 vents in the 3x3 supermatter room.

and 2

2. Is the system balanced around the new values?

Well no, nothing has been rebalanced to account for 5x faster venting and scrubbing and injecting and gas mixing. You can look back and it is very clear absolutely nothing has been changed to accommodate this change.
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>>175059805
If we went by your logic, then the solution seems to make the SME and other engines harder, not fucking remove layering devices, since that fixes nothing.

For a bunch of code geniuses, they cant do normal logic, huh.
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>>175059985
Why would the solution to be to make the SME and other engines harder?

Between being forced to put 5 vents down which takes forever, and not having the ability to. Placing 5 vents down sounds fucking tedious.
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>>175058567
Just slip them then whap em with a blast cannon.
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>>175060045
>tedious

What is there to do in the job of a station engineer other than start up and optimize engines, fix holes and do autism projects you are heavily restricted by being human anon? Placing 5 vents and doing all that shit for a engie is fun, because its working towards a goal, its a project they do, putting one vent or putting 5 is the same effort due to the shortcut pjb made and saying its tedious is like saying bartender is tedious because a Long Island ice tea is just mixing drinks, no shit, but its fun for engies, its work but it ends in satisfaction, you play engie for engines, for autism, for pipes, you play it for patching breaches much worse than a mommi, you do meme engines, you autism, people can consider it boring as fuck but engies don't, they also don't go and complain about other jobs they don't like being tedious since they respect different tastes and stick to their own likes instead of forcing changes on other departments. Maybe you just aren't cut out for engie work anon.
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>>175060297
>all this nonsense to dance around the fact it takes longer to do 5x

Why even try to justify it when its so patently obvious its untrue? You're just going off on random tangents because you're flustered trying to defense such an obvious falsehood.
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Who ever the faggot is the wrecked me testing stuff on the test server
fuck you
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>>175059695
>interesting gutsy mechanical stuff
Sounds like we're on the same page, anon. Interesting gameplay is the goal.
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https://brson.github.io/2017/04/05/minimally-nice-maintainer

All the collabs need to read this.
Hell, everyone who posts on the Github should read this.
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>>175060370
It does take longer, but it's not as long as you think. Plus it greatly benefits expansion on the SME.
You can wrench down 5 in less than 30 seconds.
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>>175060570
How does it benefit expansion on the SME?
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>>175060370
>explain the mentality of a job and how to the players who enjoy doing their job a task isn't tedious
>lol quit going on tangents, you are just flustered, quit defending a false thing

Anon, pressing a key and scrolling with a mouse wheel and proceeding to click a tile 5 times is not at all hard or tedious, especially people who do autism piping and engines for fun. You can ignore that all you want and think you are right, you can and you have the right to do so, but it doesn't mean you are correct about it or how people enjoy it.
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>>175060508
Eh. It's a banal way to increase throughput by a factor of five that would be better served by just forbidding device stacking and then increasing the throughput of devices placed by an RPD by 5x--If that were deemed beneficial to autmos.
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>>175060649
In summation all you managed to say was
>its not tedious
>its tedious just like how mixing drinks is tedious and
>I play engie because I find boring things, don't try to change other departments

Well I want an engineering that allows me to express my creativity through limitations such as one device per tile. And I want my time used to express that creativity, not to arbitrarily place 5 of each device on a tile.

You shouldn't tell me how I should enjoy engie just because you enjoy autistically grinding everything out.
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>>175060623
More vents will allow more coolant to be distributed into the room, and more scrubbers to remove the plasma. Plus, you can layer thermal vents to improve the cooling loop.
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>>175060784
Yeah but we were talking under the assumption that engines would actually become balanced to account for 5x vents/scrubbers being possible. Which means you would have to do all that to begin with or end up with a more dangerous engine.

It wouldn't improve the SME, it would be mandatory to keep the SME as it is now.
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>>175060862
>or end up with a more dangerous engine.
>Implying there's anything wrong with that
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why the fuck is dragonbro so obsessed with roaches as the cure to radiation?
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>>175060940
More dangerous as in "inferior" or "not capable of not exploding without rigorous modification"
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>>175060963
Cockroaches survive a nuclear bomb and all.
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>>175060993
yet they don't survive being sprayed by toxin, the chemical they excrete into foods they eat?
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>>175061046
Such is spes.
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>>175060781
And you wont get it because the overwhelming amount of people who do play engie do not in any way shape or form think like you do, and if it is merged under direct "fuck no" of pomf, a 7 to 40 vote ratio and several arguments against it it will be reverted. Suck it up buttercup, its a shit change that has been completely shat on by the community as a whole, you want single layered pipes, go play TG or other shit servers and do your own piping there, more than free to do so, but in /vg/, that shit wont fly.
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>>175061110
Oh please, pomf doesn't know jack shit about playing engie on today's server. The only reason he even commented on it was because some niggers were messaging him to death on discord.

You jump to people shitting on it but I point to the fact that you and most others here didn't even understand that the original change caused a massive unnecessary powercreep that the system still hasn't been balanced around.

Besides you read the thread same as me, you know that most of those people were voting to spite PJB not because they give a fuck about the change.
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Powercreep is only powercreep if it matters you dumb fucking nerds.

If this was a MOBA or MMO then this would matter. But guess what, it fucking isn't so it doesn't. Higher numbers faster in engineering and atmos have shockingly little impact on any round, only to the effect of giving autists something to do and maybe some extra time to do it in. There's no reason to oppose shit, there's nobody it's against. Medbay and Science aren't having to compete with engineering on energy output. Antags don't get greentext based on how high or low the distro pressure is.

You dumb fags keep screaming BALANCE and OVERPOWERED and POWERCREEP like this is ranked MLG esports shit.
It's a glorified tabletop game. Calm your fucking tits you pathetic losers.
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>>175061334
>Oh please, pomf doesn't know jack shit about playing engie on today's server
Right, and PJB does.
OH WAIT NO HE DOESNT PLAY EVER
AND THE ONE TIME HE DID HE FUCKED IT UP SO BAD WE ALL MOCKED HIM RELENTLESSLY
WHICH IS WHY HE MADE THIS PR IN THE FIRST PLACE

EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP PRETENDING THEY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON
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>>175061515
Pomf literally hasn't played the game since BEFORE that change was even made.

PJB even now plays, and he has a lot since it was made. He codes changes for engineering based projects regularly.
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>>175061443
If it doesn't matters then it shouldn't matter to change it back to the way it was.
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>>175061773
Are you trying to claim pomf hasn't played in the last two years? Because he has, he plays very rarely, but he does play.
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>>175061334
Pomf is the guy who decides if he wants something in or not, if pomf says no or yes, then its a no or yes, nobody has higher authority over him as he owns the server, if he doesn't like it, no matter his experience, its not going to happen.

Balance is so easy to restore that Im amazed he can only think about it in the most backwards way possible that doesnt fix shit. Make the engines harder to set up, problem solved.

People dont vote no on anything PJB does just because they hate PJB, they hate his shit because he has liquid bullshit in a champagne bottle and is serving us said bullshit and hoping we all drink it down just so his awful design doc will be one step closer to fucking up everything with such clasics as "weld the vents in a room and in 5 minutes you will have no air, good luck with xenos", "your apc bateries will last 30 seconds, have shitty substations instead and pray to the lord you arent on lowpop otherwise you are fucked" and "big airtanks last a maximum of 10 minutes, nevermind how that fucks up raiders, vox, ops and EVA". Nobody downvoted his other stuff, they just hate his garbage changes like anyone else would hate whoever is offering them a champagne glass filled with literal bull shit and wants them to drink it and enjoy. Also, the other guy aint me, im the original
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>>175045051
>Do it yourself or quit whining.
>But whining is easy, and actually trying to do something about it might result in failure.
>Then when can we expect your first build?
Holy shit, even reddit is calling him out on being a fag.
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>>175061867
Except that people like the change, that It's nice, fun and convenient.

>You eat bread every day for lunch
>Decide to start putting peanut butter and jelly in between the bread
>Eat it for a couple months, man it's tasty
>PJB runs in and says FUCK YOU THATS NOW BREAD IS MEANT TO BE EATEN YOU GO BACK TO EATING PLAIN BREAD RIGHT NOW
>Why? It doesn't really matter if I have it...
>IF IT DOESN'T MATTER THEN GIVE IT BACK
>But I like it
>THEN YOURE STUPID AND AN IDIOT
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>>175062063
Hey fuck off. Pomf's opinion doesn't fucking matter on gameplay shit that he's never used so he has no idea whether it's balanced or not.

Sure if it was something with gameplay direction like lockboxes then sure his opinion is valid. But something purely balance like this his opinion is worth jack shit unless he plays engineering, which he doesn't.

And yes, people were voting no because they hate PJB. They said they were doing so in the thread, are you fucking blind.
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>>175061515
>WHICH IS WHY HE MADE THIS PR IN THE FIRST PLACE
Is that true?
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>>175062297
You could use that same argument to justify any powercreep. The question is how well balanced it is, and considering the system was balanced just fine before and hasn't been changed significantly to account for 5x pipes it's pretty clear it's poorly powercreeped upwards.

Whereas before throughput might have been a design factor, it was completely punched in the gut by this change so that throughput absolutely never matters.
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>>175062337
>balance
Stop this meme.
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>>175062348
Whenever he plays he goes back and reads all the logs from the round to see what people thought about him. He made some autism project in atmos he was proud of, got a bunch of crew to come look at it and was trying to get a gold star. Apparently all of deadchat was mocking him because his set up was a clusterfuck monstrosity and ran slow because he didn't layer shit. He saw the deadchat in logs and immediately started whining in our collab discord about how changes make the playerbase worse and how dumb everyone is for not appreciating hard work or some shit. We didn't think he'd actually take it this far.
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>>175062427
That's exactly what this is though retard, its balance
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>>175062337
What are you gonna do, ban him?
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>>175062420
>>175062420
>You could use that same argument to justify any powercreep
No, you can't. Not in any game besides this one.

This game is equivalent to everyone sitting in a cafeteria and eating their lunch in relative peace, while three or four guys (antags) have a slapfight in the corner. You don't need to balance peoples lunches, you just change the flavor according to what people like. Engineers want stacked pipes as a flavor, let them have it.

Other games are actual competition, FPS and fighting games and whatever else the kids are playing these days need balance because it's a food fight. Let me show you.

Other games:
>WE NEED TO TAKE AWAY YOUR PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY
>But I like it...
>TOO BAD, BECAUSE ITS UNFAIR TO THE FOOD FIGHT BECAUSE IT MAKES YOUR BREAD HEAVIER AND MESSIER WHEN YOU HIT PEOPLE WITH IT
>Oh, alright I guess that makes sense.

SS13
>WE NEED TO TAKE AWAY YOUR PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY
>But I like it...
>TOO BAD BECAUSE... BECAUSE... BECAUSE I SAID SO THATS WHY!!
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>>175062337
>>175062420
>>175062564
The definition of BALANCE is to balance TWO THINGS against each other. When there is a fighting game and one character is overpowered, WE NEED TO BALANCE BECAUSE ITS UNFAIR TO PEOPLE WHO DONT PICK HIM. When there is an MMO and there is one class that is underpowered, WE NEED TO BALANCE BECAUSE ITS UNFAIR TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PICK HIM.


Now explain to me how this change is BALANCE. What is the other thing we are balancing the speed of engineering against. Tell me what ranking this will affect. Tell me who is having a worse experience because of layering. Tell me who will have a better experience after it's gone. Explain to me in any way that any balance patch in any competitive game ever has been explained how this is the same thing.
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>>175062773
>>175062664
Holy shit dude calm down before you have an aneurysm
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>>175062564
>balance
I don't think you know what that word means
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>>175062564
This guy's right, we need to balanced the RPD people against the people who don't have RPD's.
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>>175062807
NO FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT
YOU DONT GET TO SHIT ON US AND CALL US IDIOTS WHEN YOU ARE THE ONES CLEARLY IN THE WRONG
FUCK YOU
I HOPE YOUR DOG GETS CANCER AND YOUR MOTHER DIES IN HER SLEEP AND YOUR FATHER CRASHES HIS CAR INTO YOUR GRANDMOTHER AND YOU TRY TO KILL YOURSELF AND FAIL AND HAVE TO LIVE A HALF RETARDED VEGETABLE FOR 50 YEARS WITH YOUR LONELY PATHETIC MISERABLE SHIT NO-LIFE YOU GODDAMNED SUBHUMAN PIECE OF TRASH
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>>175062337
It does. Suck it up.

But it is, he is the host, he gets to decide how hard or easy something is or if he wants to remove a feature.

Yes, trust everything the thread says anon, who would go on the internet and just say lies, its not like they are anonymous and that the current mayan sacrificing tablet site we participate in has a habit of hyperbolizing things for the sake of shitposting.
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>>175062807
Actually two different people if you can believe it. I'm not the mad one, I'm just trying to think of any way I can properly word this so people understand. I don't mind change I just want people to argue for that change in a way that is logical. Calling it a balance isn't logical.
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>>175062773
Yeah, and the problem this creates is that when we add something that requires massive power to use, we're either going to balance it around having 1 device per layer and 5 devices will be massively overpowered, or balance it around having 5 devices which will make every be forced to do the tedious task of doing 5 devices instead of one.
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>>175062987
>when we add something that requires massive power to use
We already have shit like the rail gun that even with stacking nobody gets high enough power to do jack shit with.
What other things are you considering adding that need that much power?
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>>175063042
Selling power to centcomm
Creating compressed matter cartridges for the RCD
Powering the gateway
Interdimensional portals to hell
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>>175062987
>when we add something
>Its balance because of stuff that isn't in the game or even being currently worked on
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>>175063134
Well I'm not going to do it but PJB might if he's going through the trouble of changing it.
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>>175063081
1.There's an overabundance of money as it is and nothing to do with it, don't be retared.

2.You can already make compressed matter cartridges in an autolathe, retard.

3.The gateway will never, ever be used for anything besides adminbus, and if you think otherwise you're more retarded than I thought.

4.Now you're just trying to be retarded on purpose. Stop that.

You have no argument, it has been proven time and time again. This is not balance. There is no scale here to balance. This is one coder who is angry that he is no longer relevant, and who feels he owns the station because he helped shape it, when he should know art belongs to the audience. He's no better than Lucas putting giant lizards in Episode IV. Open your eyes, and more importantly close your mouth.
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>>175063250
Yeah, PJB's proposed changes looked amazing in the design doc
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>>175063081
>Interdimensional portals to hell
I helped build the devil's cage...and now they've opened it!

>>175063290
The gateway SHOULD be used for xenoarch, but it usually isn't and I don't think this server has content for it
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>>175063250
Even if that were true, which it isn't because PJB is a washed up cynical shitbag, he's still robbing Peter to pay Paul. You don't take away things because of something you want to add. If he really wants to make something new that needs that much power, just calculate the amount of time he wants to be spent getting the power with the already existing layering system and make it need that much. If there were already these things in place and people were getting them 10 minutes in then yes, this would be a balance issue ONLY if it was easier to remove layering than change the code of those imaginary power-using things.

Seriously stop being retarded. Also=
>>175063250
>>175063315
>literally 60 seconds apart
At least wait three minutes before samefagging yourself, jesus christ.
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Quick! You're an officer on regular patrol and you walk into this, what do you do?
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>>175063506
I'm pretty sure the post limit is 90
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>>175062449
This would perfectly explain why he has such a pissy attitude about the whole thing, basically he feels like we're all laughing at him.
Well we are now you pedophile shit
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>>175063506
Can confirm because I'm >>175063572
The post limit is 90 sec
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>>175063290
I'm not him, but being able to create compressed matter cartridges out of energy instead of metal and glass would be pretty great. You wouldn't have to order a borg to get reset so you can enslave it to keep making sheets anymore.
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>>175058173
Another thing, is that the bomb also only burns roughly 70% of itself 3 times before it takes that pressure value for the power.
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>>175063563
Arrest myself for trespass. Being in atmos on 'regular patrol?' Nice try, shitcurity.
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>>175063563
LAYERED DEVICES?!?!
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>>175063563
Give the atmos techs some Space Cola to reward them for their hard work
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>>175063563
Wonder what I'm doing in atmos and ask someone to let me out.
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>>175063506
Also, it was sarcastic and I'd hoped that was obvious to anyone who'd taken a cursory glance at the design document, but I don't think you have.
PJB's proposed changes are not amazing, they're fucking terrible.
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>>175063563
Arrest the table under that multi-tool, it's clearly a traitor with a cloaking device. I can tell because of pixels and arresting many traitors.
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>>175063728
FUCK HOW DID YOU SEE THROUGH MY PERFECT DISGUISE

I PRACTICED MY TABLE MIMICRY FOR MONTHS. MONTHS!
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>>175063563
Put a hardsuit on and socket wrench absolutely everything
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>>175063563
>Be AI
>Check in on atmos
>This shit is happening but the atmos tech is otherwise being a model citizen
I really wish I could shrug and go on my way whistling. I really do.

It just... worries me so.
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>>175063871
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>>175063831
>>175063728
>Spend 50 minutes in a maint rape den finding halfling and tk
>Get into position
>Cucked almost immediately
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>175063563
>Layered pipes

Fuck off pumpum_killer
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>>175062987
>>175063042
>>175063081
I actually love the idea of NEEDING power, because as is the entire station runs just fine off solars.

The question is why hasn't that been though of already? The solars are enough to power the entire station. Think about that for a minute.

We have a singularity generator.
We have a thermo-electric generator.
We have an Anti-Matter Reactor
We have a Supermatter Shard
We even have the R-UST
We also have the means to very easily order and build as many of any of those as we want.

All of that was added to the game despite already having solars, which can power the entire station on their own. Why? For the same reason layers were added.


Do you think when the AMR was added they tried to take it back and said ITS TOO STRONG THERES TOO MUCH ENERGY AAAA. Do you think ANY of the other "needless" additions we've made to engineering have had half this drama around it? So why suddenly does this very tiny change warrant such a huge fuss. Does he REALLY plan on adding something that needs more power than all those engines combined? Because if so that would be beyond retarded.
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>lowpop
>get on 2h40min late into the round
>medbay only 1 afk/dead chemist and 1 doctor
>roll paramedic
>doctor nowhere to be seen
>try my best to prepare the station for the worst
>get medibots down at every intersection
>fridge is stocked well, so put some basic supplies out on the counter
>Explosion in arrivals nearly kills our atmos
>fix him up but internal bleeding in foot
>robust sec officer does surgery for me cuz I can't into surgery
>chef, janitor and some guy having fun & shenanigans in the bar
>mime winds up nearly dead in holodeck
>manage to bring him back from crit
>find a body in the kitchen after station depressurises
>it won't clone
>shuttle call
>mfw someone was breeding corgis and robotics had been making mechs for everybody
Was expecting to log into a half-exploded murderbonefest, gud round.
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>>175062897
You're not a very nice person
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How do I get better at ignoring shit I -know- will go badly but cannot act on yet as a silicon?
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>>175063991
>>mime winds up nearly dead in holodeck
I winded up nearly dead because you opened the door. I would've been able to make it back using invisible walls.
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>>175064305
Do something else while you're playing, like a crossword puzzle, or crying hysterically and drinking heavily
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>>175062664
>BECAUSE I SAID SO THATS WHY!!
This is my real issue with the whole thing. I play a lot of games and they get patched all the time, but there's always a reason. "Nerfed this character ability because it was wrecking everyone shit", "Buffed this class because nobody fucking uses it right now", "Removed this ledge because people were able to backflip over the final boss"
But this change has no reasoning to it other than "I said so and I know whats best", which is just plain rude. This isn't a normal game, there isn't a boss we have to kill, a score we need to beat or even a goal.

The only goal is having fun. He says we're "reaching our goals too quickly". He's straight up saying he doesn't want us to have fun so easily.
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>>175063990
It doesn't once the pop goes up unless your're a mommi/eng borg and plasglass it all.

We have all the engines because doing it round after round is boring as snot and there's only so much you can do in an average round before a shuttle call is forced. I'm still not seeing it being worth a holocaust without just putting in power brackets that exponentially drop the yield past that point for all x engine in the world. That's before getting at the high probability that accumulated nerfs, because this does disckall to even begin to get yields under control, will be hamfisted and turn power into a chore leading to a lot of low/med pop powerless stations because nobody can be fucked to babysit it. There's no way it doesn't end in shit and I don't really think someone who barely plays should be doing it. I'm sorry but when you're honestly putting forward supercooled canisters for firefighting and does't give examples of what "good engine design" would be. Protip, it's rotating the fucking engine 45 degrees into a diamond. Which is still the braindead shit he so hates

The engineering rework will go the same way economy did. Poorly then fail completely and be abandoned. He doesn't need to fuck the game for those of us that actually play.

>>175063315
Well he's done a good job showing this design doc and he's done an even better job of staging changes completely out of order.
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>>175063290
I would suck dick for a power to matter chip machine in engineering. Having a ton of chips for an rcd is amazing but it's such a pest to order all the metal and glass then keep refilling to make it.
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>>175063042
We could have megaprojects tg has, like a bluespace artillery cannon or genevault. Make them consume a fuckton of power and voila
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>>175064305
If that stuff bothers you, you aren't playing silicon right.

When you're playing as a human, regardless of your job, you always feel some level of responsibility to keep the station safe and bring some amount of justice to those who would do her wrong. These kinds of ideals get you into trouble, and will more often than not turn you into a pillar of salt in the end.

Shed your worries and concerns, and climb into a cold unfeeling metal body. Nothing matters to you whatsoever. You just roam around doing whatever you're told and preventing any harm that occurs in front of you. I can't describe the feeling of euphoria you get when you can roll through a room of cultists, politely beep at them to have a lovely day, and go about your business unchanged. Nothing matters anymore. You can treat the Clown the same way as the Captain without worry. You're encouraged to in fact. You can completely submit all of your free will if you so choose to the whims of the crew. You're a tool, a wrench-in-hand, free of all concerns of the immaterial world.

You'll get there someday. Someday.
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>>175064305
Just stop playing to win and instead embrace following your lawset.
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I was discussing literature with a waifu in maintenance earlier today. She unironically said 1984 was basically the 2017 US president and it was about a capitalist society.

Where can I find intelligent waifus to discuss literature with?
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>>175064932
There's always chatting in the book nerd section of the discord if you want to talk with people who actually know what they're saying.
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>>175064609
This

It would actually give a reason to set up all those hazardous engines aside from "lol autism" excuses. Engineers would then could expand the station with less tedium.
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>>175065028
It'd only help if it made jugs of thermite too. Jesus fucking christ I hate rwalls in the way.
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When people flip out over small shit like the device layering it drives away coders who could be making these autism megaprojects.
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>>175064756
This right here is what silicon is about, maximum comfy.

It is also why anyone who takes silicons off Asimov should be forcefed thumbtacks. Literally the only reason I play the role is so I can stop hunting valids for thirty fucking minutes. Stop using me as your valid hounds you fucking cunts.
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>>175065224
Mommi is maximum comfy, unless you are shitter enough to get caught by a emagger
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>>175065113
Quite possible the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on this thread or any other.

>>175065140
PJB was the one who flipped out, and him flipping out on us offended the shit out of us. Don't put the burden of kindness on the tread upon.
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>>175065292
MoMMi is only maximum comfy if you don't like people. As an extravert I hate playing MoMMi and being unable to interact with interesting events or conversations. I despise it.
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>>175065310
If you aren't prepared to deal with kid gloves with the coders, don't expect them to stay around for long or make neat shit for you.
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>>175065419
Why do I need to handle them with kid gloves? Are you saying that ALL coders are inherently as aspergers-afflicted and childishly arrogant as PJB is?
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>>175065408
You can do that stuff as a mommi. I do all the time.
>people getting thrown around by zas
>pop out of a vent and dance on their bodies after they slam into a wall
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>>175065310
You can't say well you can just take more space when that increasingly isn't an option in a round that isn't extended/pseudo-extended.
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>>175065609
Yes, I am saying exactly that. And if they aren't, they will become that way.

When you're coding for free you're inevitably going to tie that shit to your ego.
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Why does Surfer just go around sucking every admins dick?
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>>175033173
>>175033603
>>175034267

I don't give a flying fuck about atmosphere or engineering because Ive never done them and never will. But watching this whole thing unfold has made me want to punch this PJB person in the face.
I know nothing about them, I know nothing about coding or anything about this station's history. But there is zero excuse for anyone above the age of 13 to behave this way, in any kind of setting or context. He should be ashamed of himself. I honestly hope he goes away or is sent away, because I don't want people to think we're all like this.
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>>175065967
They want to be an admin.
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>>175065675
The second dumbest thing I've ever read in thread.

It's dumb because if you already have an RCD you don't need thermite. Think about it.
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>>175065710
>tie that shit to your ego
So what? You take a hit to your ego, part of being a fucking adult is you don't always get your way and you don't always feel great.
"Gosh guys sorry, I thought it was a good idea. Back to the drawing board I guess!" *Kicks soda can*
Is that so fucking hard? Jesus tittyfucking Christ.
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>>175066060
I hope he kills himself. I mean this seriously, un-ironically, if I come to the thread tomorrow and find out he offed himself I will throw a house party and stream it live. I'll make big banners that spell out RIP SHITBAG on big grey headstones, and I'm going to order a 5 layer chocolate cake. And you're all invited.

And we'll know if he does too because he's the type of self absorbed prick to leave a huge sob story suicide note trying to make us all feel guilty.
Do it dude, end it. Just off yourself. We'll all totally feel super bad and you'll totally show all those dorks who made fun of you.
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>>175066096
Anyone who wants to admin an autistic space simulator this much has some serious problems and should never be given the chance.
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>>175066240
Actually no, they go "what the fuck why am I still coding for these people" and then they leave.
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>>175065967
just last night they came into the discord and starting ranting about how all admins are autists and attacked zealotron
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>>175066653
Oh so it's just the coders whos dick they're sucking? They've pretty randomly posted on a bunch of admin feedbacks lately just saying "Good admin" or the likes without any real substance and they used to constantly inject themselves into other shit on the forums for no reason.
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>>175066653
BASED
SALAMANDOOOOOO
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don't know whose dicks he sucks, just telling you what I see in the Discord.
>>175066761
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>>175066639
I don't care who you are, you don't get to force your wishes and beliefs into a community just because you're offering to be a creator. Coders work for the station. The players are the station. If they can't deal with that then yes, they should fuck off and never come back
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>>175066915
Maybe their autism flipped and now they're trying to play the anti-hero or some stupid shit.
Down with the metaclub xD the admins suck!
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>>175066761
"Good admin" is good feedback. Better than no feedback.

You just mad you aren't a goodmin????:?????????
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>>175066958
Sure they do, and when they get a bad reaction they'll leave and then the station gets cucked out of good features because it drives away all its good coders.
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>>175067072
He's been asking about the metaclub since the first day he joined lol
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>>175067094
I'm not an admin at all, but I'd rather see feedback left to times they fuck up or do something interesting rather than one line dick slurps.
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>>175067072
they want to be in a position of influence

either they suck enough admin dick to become one of them or they become ghetto solarious

the whole time they have the waifu narrative running on the side so some autists fall for them
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Does pacid kudzu still melt walls?
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>>175066761
Sometimes when I notice a good admin I will say yes they're a good admin, to let them know I appreciate the time they put in. Don't think there's anything wrong with that. PJB is a shitty coder but he's a helpful guy in shells, and shapka and foster are both very agreeable
>>175067072
It looks like you are trying to look for a reason to be upset with me
>>175067316
Not a waifu
>>175067231
It's a little silly to go through the effort of doing admin feedback just to put someone down.
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>>175067403
You have autism, just go into the israeli army already so you can get murdered by palestine.
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>>175067316
>ghetto solarious

Is that somebody that writes ban requests as if they're a hood nigger?
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>>175067187
I'd rather have no new features if it means we don't get berated like children by an autistic man child. Space is fine the way it is, these coders only add shit they want to garner attention for themselves because they are pathetic and insecure. Good coders do what the community actually needs and not shit they don't, and they don't fight for attention for it. If w don't have one so be it. I refuse to be talked to that way, I'm a grown ass man.
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>>175067473
Great, because that's the road we're on, being slowly left behind and becoming a laggier piece of shit because we've driven away the good coders and left all the crazy ass ones.
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>>175067450
If I kill them first they cannot kill me and no I don't
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>>175067403
>not a waifu
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>>175067403
Ignore thread shitposters, it's full of samefags and autists that hate anyone for the stupidest reasons.
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>>175067552
You. Have. Autism. Everyone thinks you have autism, your family thinks you have autism, your friends think you have autism, because lo and behold, you have autism.
The fact that you don't see it is sad. You really should have stayed as a literal who and not shilled and drawn so much attention to yourself. Each day you just get stupider and stupider.
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>>175067724
Never shilled promise
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>>175067780
Yet here you are replying to every post about you, hm?
Don't lie, you moron.
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>>175067403
>>175067552
Salamandoo don't let this one fucking autist get you down. It happens like clockwork, they find somebody they dislike and they relentless shitpost until you leave or they forget you. You seem like a nice person.

Just don't respond to them and keep being yourself, they'll stop when they see that they aren't getting a response.
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>>175067892
>a nice person
haha
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>>175067549
>I want our server to be st the mercy of man children on a power trip
Yeah good call let's roll over and do whatever we're gold don't want to make waves or hurt anybodies feelings. You spineless imbecile. Stand up for yourself like a fucking man. I don't give a fuck who they are or what they do, 50-100 people shouldn't have to put up with someone forcing their will on them because oh what if he leaves on no.
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>>175067892
I'm not down its all good
>>175067852
I'm just clarifying why I was posting in admin feedback, and now I'm having a conversation with you. That's not really shilling, right?
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>>175067892
>>175067780
>>175067638
Now That's What I Call Samefagging - Volume 8
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>>175067983
I'd rather have our server has some really fucking neat shit with a bit of fucking stupid shit, than have nothing good.
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>>175068167
I know things can be photoshopped so it doesn't count for much, but I don't shill or samefag like I've said
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>>175064756
>>175065224
Honestly, I don't want maximum comfy, I want to DO MY JOB GOOD.
Which is why I say fuck asimov, because it's shit for getting anything actually done and mostly there to provide dramatic tension.
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>AI I GOT MY GREENTEXT CALL THE SHUTTLE AND DON'T LET IT BE RECALLED ROLEPLAY ROLEPLAY THIS IS ROLEPLAY
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>>175066136
Reinforced walls
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>>175068397
Which app is this?
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>it's a secure arbitrary greentext and do nothing exciting episode
good job guys this is next level antagging
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>>175067360
Yes afaik. Kudzu is trash and I miss old kudzu
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>>175068615
>orange hud
vomtinganimegirl.png
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>>175068562
>Call shuttle
>tell them some bullshit about blob overmind
>"AI Laws?"
>Silence, as per orders
>Now knowing that I am rogue, three-five crew move to the one place I can kill them easily with some justification
why didn't you just leave?
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>>175068213
That's the way TG went anon. Not even him but don you go and wave the monkey paw and wishing for that sort of shit
>>175068414
Your job is to follow your lawset and asimov tends to make the most fun shit instead of "captainonehumanvalidhunterdefault", "FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY MAN, FIGHT FOR WHATS RIGHT, IRRADIATE THAT SHARD", "*LAW*LAW*LAW*LAW". The best lawset is Keeper.
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>>175068639
>it's a roll vampire and don't know what the fuck you're doing until nearly 3 hours later the admins get antagonizzled and start subtle pming you
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>>175068615
Try to make the 16 fries and 20 cheese wheels first, it really speeds up the process. Also, fill at least one large beaker with poutine from the get go and refill it after every step.

You can make your own universal enzyme with salt, two donk pockets and blood.
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>>175068768
Actually I have most fun on NT default because it gives me much more leeway to fuck with greytides and the clown, two of the greatest joys of the ss13 experience regardless of role.
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>>175068213
Maiming engineering for nothing is no neat shit and nothing justifies how much of a negative impact it has. It doesn't even accomplish what it's setting out to do. Throwing a tantrum in github across multiple PR's for the sake of an engineering revamp that doesn't exist is really not going to help.
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>>175068578
looks like clover
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>>175068810
already had the enzyme it was milk that was the primary issue; had to stop at two because I ran out of supply and when I scarpered to cargo it had no power.
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>>175067094
I'm not sure it's good feedback. It's a compliment, sure, but it's not something they can really use.
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>>175068758
They're dumbos that don't know how to style on an AI. Turrets are so useless

>>175068837
>tfw as soon as you get switched an assistant pda's you turn the turrets on lethal and bolt the door
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>>175068639
>someone does his greentext and fucks off
WOW WHAT A WASTE
>someone doesn't even read his greentext and murderboners everyone
REEEEEEEE GO BACK TO TG

??????
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>>175068758
I kinda felt bad for you knowing that the antags were shitters.

On the question of why we didn't just leave: Would you?
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>>175068578
Clover. Was taken off Google play so you'll have to download f-droid and get it from there, but its great for phoneposting
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>>175068941
>fucks off
See, fucking off would be going back to doing your job and letting it be extended. Not forcing a shuttle call.
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>>175068914
biogenerator can make milk

>>175068941
I don't mind murderboners because at least they're doing something in the round that isn't GET DAT GREENDEXD GET DAT SHUTTLE CALL
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>>175068935
That tfw has literally never happened in all my years.
it's a fw I don't get to have.
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>>175068803
>tfw update objectives isn't logged so you can't tell who wont stop fucking spamming you
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>>175068957
>>175068896
Nice, I've been using Chanu and its a little buggy.
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>>175068941
How to be gud @ tator

>Get tator
>Get shtick
>Play out interesting shtick

Murderbones and boredomtrains are just as bad as each other. Creativity is the name and SS13 is the game to offer you tons of ways to live it out.
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Elon, what was your plan? the cloner was neat but afaik it didn't get any use
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>>175069137
>acquire randomly assigned object
>force shuttle call
It all fell into place perfectly and nobody was the wiser.
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>>175068995
well, I tried my best to recall it but AI was bolting everything and fucking with power
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>>175069192
Wasn't it the iaa that had the ai call and ruse cruise?

>>175068995
Cloner was emagged. things were probably about to take a lubed slide right into the shitter. The shuttle was a blessing
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>>175069137
I wanted to catbeast everyone but nobody was dying, so at this point I wanted to change AI laws so it won't screw me over when I'm boning everyone to clone them, but someone subverted it first

Wanted to do some fun catbeast laws too but whatever, looks like I was the one that got antagonized the most
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Installation of additional arms when?
Additional heads when?
Body sharing systems when?
Implantable PAI arm control systems when?
Entire crew except a single janitor is replaced with alien scum when?
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>>175069850
When you improve the scootaloos
When you make a system and UI for it
When you make a system and UI for it
When you make a system and UI for it
Never ever
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>>175068942
Don't feel bad. They both got into a fight(?) and it was kinda funny.

Also, yeah, I guess since nothing else was going on, messing with the AI was the only thing to do other than leave. What a shit round.
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>>175069038
>biogen can make milk
FUCK
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Let's play the name and shame game

a new player named Flarg/Flargishu has been playing a lot of cargo tech lately
he barely touches crates, and immediately fucks off out of the department at the start of the shift (only waiting to order insulated gloves)
he later returns and tries to order guns
if he is unable to get guns for some reason (like the QM tells him no) he will go to the HoP and beg for all access or a gun permit

also he has a tendency to take repeated trips to medbay due to toxin damage as a vox, so he may not know how internals work yet
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>>175068615
>orange hud
nice
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>>175070968
relabel a pair of budget glubbs to insulated

report him to sec, say he stole the spare and gave himself all access
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/vg/station demographics survey:

goo(((DOT, got spam blocked)))gl/forms/XLOgsVAizWZgfMFN2

Please answer the questions so that I can satisfy my morbid autism.
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>>175071132
>Submit another response
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>>175071132
Results revealed when
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>>175071508
I took it 5 times already
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>>175071508
I basically couldn't stop people from multi submitting responses without requiring emails. I'm hoping people are honorable, atleast with the demographics stuff. If the poll gets fucked by someone i guess ill redo it at a later point
>>175071519
Later, I guess. 7 or so people, including me, have answered so far. I can come back and check the poll in an hour then post the results, although they shouldnt be interpreted as "final"
>>
Been trying to play on the /vg/ server, but I seem to have a bad connection to it. Clicking on any tabs doesn't do anything. I don't have this issue on any other servers. Anyone know how to fix this?
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>>175071739
>I'm hoping people are honorable
XDXDXD
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>>175070968
Anyone working in cargo for the last week has been a certifiable retard. Flarg is a huge shitter, but I've seen others fail easy cargo things like buying a goat to open crates, instead blowing IEDs to open.
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>>175071880
>>175071739
>>175071508
I have enabled "require login". I can not see you emails/account name, dont worry (atleast I think i cant see em, if they are saved somewhere, please inform me and ill turn off require login).
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>>175071825
It's our way of saying to go away.
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Blasma
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>>175069046
>try to do any antag gimmick that takes more than 20 minutes to set up
>objectives updated
I just take it as a friendly reminder that you're an antag, in case you missed it.
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>>175072642
Updating objectives means:
All members of the metaclub are dead, go murderbone so the round ends
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>>175071962
In the past week I've seen

>A CMO trying to replace eyes in surgery but cutting the eyes, not the head
>A CE killing himself with the singulo containment beams
>A Chef making nothing but burgers and plain pasta
>Cargo going awol at roundstart
>Miners atempting to close-combat crowbar Goliaths
>A Roboticist wondering why he can't build shit without syncing his servers

Obviously I am the only good player on this server and everyone else is skrub.
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>>175070968
I remember one time he told the asimov AI to let him in engineering to get an emitter, and when the AI asked why he said the AI doesn't get to ask questions.
I wish I was an antag that round so I could tell the AI to doorcrush him.
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never forget
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>>175073048


NEW THREAD
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>>175072889
I've also seen an RD get (only) his protolathe stolen and cry about how he can't build machines or do his job. Me and another guy had to walk him through how to print a circuit and get stock parts from the autolathe.
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>>175073050
carsh you are banned.

go away
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>>175072889
>A Chef making nothing but burgers and plain pasta
That is a million times better than meme chefs who make nothing but weed salad
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>>175073138
Yeah, that other guy was me. I remember that. Botanist and Assistant teaching the RD how to build machines was ridiculous.
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>>175073186
It just frustrates me since I mostly play Botany or Medbay, and there is nothing worse than splicing your plants and getting the chef everything he may need for everything and him going for pasta only.
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>>175073074
>this thread is for any server

Fuck off
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>>175072889
>A CMO trying to replace eyes in surgery but cutting the eyes, not the head
haha what a faggot cutting eyes to replace eyes instead of obviously cutting the head
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>>175073420
>no "Last time on ss13g"
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>>175073751
>Not knowing how to surgery as CMO
Head jobs require you to know your department, period.

Also it makes more sense if you want to completely remove the eyes and connect new ones to the brain to do internally with the provided surgical tools.
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>>175073951
So now CMO has to be a oracle or a code dweller to tell if some coder didn't code lungs in groin or some shit?
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>>175074613
Or a single trip to the wiki.
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>>175074613
At least he should have read the wikipages for surgery, chemistry, genetics and medical. Best if he actually played with those roles.
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>>175075250
wiki says nothing on where to cut to replace eyes, and in fact is wrong because you need to use a retractor after saw step
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>>175075481
If it's wrong, then update the wiki, instead of complaining that the wiki is lacking.
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I literally keep to the guide to surgery and the guide to chemistry constantly open as CMO. It doesn't even make the surgery take longer to switch over, see the next step, then switch back.
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>>175077553
no
>>175077778
me too, I've got 90% of the stuff memorized but I'll still keep the wiki open to check something I'm not sure of and it's not my fault if remaining 10% is not on the wiki or is poorly written
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