/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

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>>174732101
>>174732281

>Rutgers getting never lucky
I guess they didn't buy enough packs

>First game of Wild Ranked cause why not, I got a decent deck
>Druid who is playing like total garbage
>But has a deck consisting of all the big shit, including Rag, Sylvanas, and Kel'Thuzad, played in that order turn after turn
>Was also Rank 25
Wow, so this is the power of Wild.

>>174825946
It dont matter, if you voted for Rutgers or Canada you get 3 packs.

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why is Amaz an edge lord with all those golden cards, that mofo spends thousands on packs I bet.

When do we get our Rutgers packs?

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>>174825669
>This hungry crab is not seeing much play
>Take it out
>Next game vs Murloc Pally

>>174826074
I voted for San Antonio at random :/

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>me on the left

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>>174826271
>Create new deck
>This deck is great, I'm on 6 wins in a row
>Proceeds to get the shittiest possible draws and lose 7 games in a row

>>174826320
I picked one at random too, Cal.
They were complete shit.

>>174826421
look at the fancy man with his big attack

won't be so strong when the turn rolls around now will ye

>>174826589
>>174826320
I voted Reuters because of a thread a faggot made on leddit :^)

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>listened to h2g on voting Rutgers
>Actually turns out to be correct
Well I'll be damned.
I thought h2g wasn't allowed to be right?

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>>174826515

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6:02:50

>see Aggro Mage in Rank 5 as Midrange Paladin
>says, "Whoops." Every time she freezes/Polymorphs
>used Frost Nova on my minions and put on her second Ice Block helmet
>turn starts before I am going to be shit on with 10 HP left on me
>no cards left in hand
>draw
>draw Hydrologist, have not drawn one this whole game until now
>in the middle there's Eye for an Eye
>throw my pants out the window
>set it and told her life was a mistake
>keeps telling me her magic's going to tear me apart
>win

no best feeling than a win with bullshit against bullshit

i like mage aggro but anyone who uses emotes like that are cancer

>>174825669
>prize money isn't $5 for a box of hot pockets
wtf

>>174825834
Will you gib succ if I sniff?

>>174826835
>tfw same for me almost, except top decked Flare as Hunter

I even let the game rope out before Flare+Hero Power to win

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>>174826791
??

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how do you reconcile the fact that none of the decisions you make have any effect on the outcome of the game?

>>174826995

Simply untrue. For example, I've been roping this quest rogue all game and they just made a horrific misplay because they're mad.

>>174826983
devil fingers

>>174827118
>roping


Who the fuck gets mad at that? People who play on mobile devices?

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>'''''''control''''''' priest
>zero card above 5 mana

What did 'the man with the large forehead' Rey Nad mean by this?

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>>174826995
its mostly the hunter or warrior putting down minions on curve and either i can destroy them or i cant and im dead

who else here /crabhunter/

>>174827702
>consider putting some hungry crabs in to counter paladin
>don't have any
>fucking epics
goddamnit blizz

who /roleplay/ here?

I want the Canadians to lose so bad

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>>174827346

Well yeah, some people do get mad.

>>174827526
>"control" means hurp durp big boy minions

Shieldbearer confirmed

>>174825675
I really hate how much luck is involved in this game, on ladder at least. I just want my fucking 400 dust ffs, it shouldn't be this hard without me being able to do anything about it.

I've collected a large card collection so I really wish I could find a way to enjoy laddering again, idk what changed. I feel like it wasn't this bad back around Naxx era, maybe deck variety is fucking shit up? Sure we had deathrattle hunter but at least you could hate out that deck and climb. Now you've gotta deal with shit like warrior having both the slowest and the fastest deck at the same goddamn time.

Every time I think I have the correct mindset for laddering figured out, I go on an unlucky losing streak and want to kill myself because I just feel so fucking helpless. There's no tech I can put into my deck, there's no way I can get "better" and gain more skill, it's just literal unlucky bullshit you can do nothing about.

>>174827909
i just crafted one for it, no regrets so far. a 1/2 beast on t1 is fine and a river crocolisk is also fine even if they dont proc (i run 2 golokka)

>>174828260
Quest Rogue
Quest Warrior
Pirate Warrior
Agro Hunter

Literally the four decks I see non-stop

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Ragnaros Lightlord or Tarim to craft? in terms of flexibility and deck range?
pls help this is will be my first complet deck

>>174828381
Doesn't Stonehill shit out Tarim and Tirion every time? Sure feels that way against Pala

>>174828381

Tarim.

>>174828381
Tarim goes in all Pally decks. He's more flexible overall.

Also Rag will rotate out a year before Tarim and can be pseudo-replaced with LoH.

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>>174828381
Tarim is around for another year after Lightlord is rotated out.

>>174828517
70% of my games stonehill gave free tarim tor me.
>>174828550
it's realyl hard to chose

>>174828381
just from my experience at Rank 3 no deck plays lightlord, theyre all playing tarim. your deck is far less swarmy but tarim is probably still the better call since lightlord is a bit slow/overkill for this meta

>>174828670

Between Lost in the Jungle, Vinecleaver, and your HP, you're gonna have a bunch of tokens to hit with Tarim. Also, if you're running LoH, that's enough of Rag's effect to leave him out.

>>174828381

I think laying on of the hands is a good enough sub for ragnaros lightlord.

Not much of a sub for tarim, but you pull him often off of the 1/4 turtle.

I'd toss in n'zoth and drop vinecleaver for a carine.

>>174828609
>>174828636
>>174828713
>>174828818

Thanks i will go for Tarim, wasting so many dust for 1 year would be bad for a f2p like me.

>>174828381
I don't play Pala at all, but 8HP to a random character seems way too RNG and shitty.

You're playing a deck that produces loads of minions, and I feel like 90% of the time Rag will heal something tiny and massively overheal them anyway.

Tarim is way more aggressive, and also means you can smash their board up if necessary.

>>174829143
>90% of the time Rag will heal something tiny and massively overheal them
tiny things don't tend to be damaged
they're either at full or they're dead

>>174829237
Oh, mis-read that then - didn't realise it was only damaged stuff.

Mmmmm, still not worth. I'd spend most of my time worrying about "better not damage this minion or it'll ruin my Rag heal" or something.

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Quest Warrior beats control
and aggro
Quest Rogue beats the quest warrior and control and other shit if it gets lucky
Pirate Warrior/Aggro kills the rogue

Perfect rock paper scissor gameplay.

>>174829429
Lyra Priest beats all with a sprinkle of RNG :^)

Tier list of Respectful Decks:

Respectful:
Elemental Shaman
Elemental Paladin
Ramp Druid
Disco Warlock
Aggro Mage
Petal Rogue
Any original Deck brought to at least Rank 5

ok:
Midrange Hunter
Silence Priest
Midrange Paladin
Lyra Priest
Zoo Warlock
Murloc Shaman
C'thun decks
f2p decks that get to Rank 10 at least

Cancer:
Pirate Warrior
Taunt Warrior
Crystal Rogue
Freeze Mage
Murloc Paladin

what are you even doing:
Priest Quest
Paladin Quest
Hunter Quest
Warlock Quest

>>174829429
Yup. The kicker is that Druid is the premier aggro deck and is severely underrepresented compared to the others.

>>174819515
>>discover extra legendaries off of stonehill
Should I craft golden Stonehill for the chance to get golden legendaries off him?

Is sleep with the fishes a must in taunt warrior? im not sure its worth 800 dust.

WHO /RUTGERS/ HERE?
LEAFS GET FUCKED

>>174826575
Canada BTFO

Day of the rake cometh

R A K E D
A
K
E
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>>174826575
Votes for Canada
Deletes post when Canada loses
Kek

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it doesnt matter idiots

rutgers and cucknadia both give you 3 packs because they made it to the finals

>there are people who didn't vote for the team with the established pro on it

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God bless America!

>trump is the least shitty streamer on right now

>>174830708
At least I get two packs :(

>>174830717
>>there are people who didn't vote for the team with the established pro on it
thijs
pavel

voting for the "sure thing" when blizzard is involved is a mistake

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>>174830768

>voted for rutgers
fuck yeah free packs

>>174830865
Was there even any reason to vote for Thijs, though? I thought he was just the reddit candidate who got votes because reddit

The funniest part about this
They're not even ungoro packs
They're msog packs
So they're not even current

>>174831123
Is there an end to Blizzard's jewery?

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OUT OF MY JUNGLE

>>174830865
Thijs and Pavel were just the most well-known players in their rosters since they were the only ones who streamed. That's why people voted for them, no one actually tracks tournament success. I voted for Schtan this year a because the guy is legitimately a great tournament player and I got my packs.

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>Play against Giant OTK Quest Mage
>Play Dirty Rat I got off Stonehill
>Hit Doomsayer
>Play my in-deck Rat
>Hit Molten Giant

Even with Alex, an Arcane Giant, and FIVE fucking Frost Novas, guy couldn't come back.

>finally back to rank 4
>never reached rank 3

w-will i make it guys?

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ayyy lets meme it up lmoa

>>174831908
>meanwhile i havent even hit my pity timer yet
f2p btw

Does Toast sound better with some bass added into his voice?

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Could someone suggest improvements? I want Clutchmother to be good but I feel like there might be too much discard

>>174830062
Looks like a lot of decks on hearthpwn have cut it. Personally I'd run at least one since it's won me a lot of games.

>trump on the verge of suicide playing shitty hunter lists
poor guy, he should really just pull the trigger

>>174831908
nice pack :^D

>>174825669
How does a f2p fag build a decent deck?

when do we get our packs

>>174833009
knowing blizzard, 1 -2 months

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DON'T TALK TO ME OR MY LIGHT EVER AGAIN!

>>174831193
No

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What's a deck that's actually FUN to play in this meta?

I've been away for a week, how's the meta?

Pirate warrior and midrange hunter still dominating?

I just had opponent play 4 tarims against my quest rogue

he literally rolled 2 tarims on his 2 stonehill defenders

>>174833208
I had a lot of fun playing midrange hunter to legend.

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OHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCK

What do I craft with my free 1600 dust? :^)

>>174833443

Where'd he get the 4th?

Anybody got a list of cards that are always worthwhile crafting? Got a ton of dust.

So far I can think of
>Patches
>Bloodmage
>Leeroy

Friend challenge EU: MonkeyShines#2671

>>174833504

Tarim
Lyra
Elise

>>174833528
secret obviously

i had no way to play around, my 2 eviscerates were 2 out of 3 remaining cards in my deck

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>>174833504
Make Funkeeper Terry and FIGHT WITH HONOR

>>174833375
Paladins took over, murloc version mostly.

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>mfw anons were saying Rutgers wouldn't win because they're the "cuckiest college"

>>174833707
>>174833669

Feels bad no one's like NO DUDE YOU SHOULD MAKE MURLOC SHAMAN!

:C

It's between Tarim and Lyra, I play midrange/aggro murlocadin and silence priest. Send help.

do you keep prep in quest rogue opening hand?

>>174833989

I'd argue that Tarim is more important for his decks than Lyra is for hers?, so you'd likely get more mileage from the former.

If it's personal taste though, toss a coin. They're both really good.

>>174826074
>voted for canada for leaf memes
>actually geet more than 1 pack for once

nice

what packs are we getting again, msg right?

>>174833537
Bloodmage Thalnos
(Ragnaros & Sylvanas = RIP)
Leeroy
Alexstrasza
Deathwing
Ysera
Archmage Antonidas/Edwin/Tirion if you like the respective class (I wouldn't recommend Jaraxxus because It's shit)
Patches the Faggot

>>174834226

I just want to beat these pirate fags and yiff hunters, man... what is the best murlocadin list atm? Only thing I'm missing is light rag atm.

What's the best egg/token druid list?

>>174833794
Holy shit we're in a paladin meta? Nice.

I already got the Paladin quest too. Any links to Paladin murloc decks?

>>174835235
>I already got the Paladin quest
I'm so sorry

I guess you can dust it for a vilefin?

>>174827526
you're braindead

welp saw my first control pally at rank 13

I guess this is as far as basic aggro druid can go

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>dumpster legend is easier games than rank 1-10

why is this allowed

>>174833989
How can you make murloc shaman if you implied you intended to dust the quest?

Either way, I say craft Tarim. He's insanely strong and auto-include in pretty much every paladin deck no matter the archetype.

>>174834560
Hard to say. People have been playing fast all-in murloc decks, taking a grindy midrange approach, or striking a balance somewhere in between. If you're missing Lightrag, you might wanna try a faster low-curve murloc heavy deck.

>>174835616

Because at dumpster Legend, you've already entered Paradise, so you can reward yourself by engorging yourself on memes and dumb decks.

Why isn't every rank a rank floor? I'm afraid of playing because I don't want to drop out of rank 4.

>>174835863
>>174835616
Can you drop out of legend tier?

>>174836060
Because then shitters could brute force their way to high ranks by playing over and over until they get lucky enough to get legend tier

At least you keep the max rank rewards

>>174836060
literally everyone would be legend

>>174836060
why can you lose stars at all, there should be a normal ladder that is rank 25-1 for casuals and a legendary ladder that is just legend rank

>>174833504
>What do I craft with my free 1600 dust? :^)
Don't. Even if it's not great now, they will never stop supporting Murlocs. Eventually, there will be enough good Murlocs that it becomes a good card, even if only in wild.

>>174836064
no

>queueing quest rogue
>keep queueing into murloc pally
kms

>>174836625
>still playing quest rogue
you missed that boat man, metas too fast now

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I can craft two legos. My options are:

>clutchmother zavaz
>spiritsinger umbra
>the black knight
>deathwing, memelord
>y'shaarj

Ramp Druid, Dicolock and Deathrattle Priest are decks that I'm currently interested in building toward. Which of these decks have a good fun/effectiveness ratio?

>>174836790
Ramp druid is the most viable deck there but none of them are doing well and none of those legos are worth crafting right now

>>174836790
craft yshaarj and make a meme deck with barnes, yshaarj and 28 spells

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>>174836625

>queue into quest rogue
>stomp him with my hunter


>A recent opponent would like to be your friend!

>A recent opponent would like to be your friend!

>A recent opponent would like to be your friend!

....

>>174836790

I recommend you sit on that dust until you aspire to better legos

What's the point of playing if there are bad matchups you auto-lose?

Is the anon who tried Cthun warrior earlier still here? Curious how that turned out.

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RATE

>>174838421
bad

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>>174833208
this deck is (((fun))), especially vs pally and pirates

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Just checked it out. My pick got to the finals. I got more than one pack. Fuck you Pavel and Neiman!

>>174838330

I went 3-2 at rank 5 and then gave up. I think it would work with some adjustments but maybe it's easier to just put c'thun taunts in quest warrior.

>>174838524
are the crabs really enough to sure up those matchups?

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>>174838421
My pacifier is better.
I made this before Kara was announced and we saw this positional mechanic.

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>not knowing how to pick good champions

>>174838667

Golakka crawlers are decent 2 drops even without killing a pirate. I wouldn't imagine the hungry crab helps much though.

>>174838421
it LITERALLY might aswell be timewarp

>attack with your minions
>play this
>opponent skips their next turn or plays a taunt
>remove their taunt
>attack with your minions again

>>174838792
So when are the finals?
When am I getting my 2-3 packs?

>>174838014
Build a better deck that doesn't auto-lose to bad match ups. Maybe slow your rush deck down a little until it doesn't run out of steam turn 5 anymore. Add some early game cards to your control deck to make your you survive until turn 5.

If you auto lose against certain decks, its because you've sacrificed those match ups to become better against other decks. Don't blame the game for your shitty deck building.

>>174838884
rutgers won
packs probably in a few weeks

>>174839079
>weeks
Oh well, I voted for the other guys. Was a good random pick.

I've opened four Lakkari Sacrifices and one The Last Kaleidosaur. I'm just about ready to quit.

>>174830062

yes, at least one of to deal with murlocs

>>174838824
hungry crab has repeatedly won me paladin games i would have lost. it's such a crazy swing for a 1 mana 3/4 destroy 1 vs. golokka at 2 mana and with the current 1 drop meta a 1/2 Beast is passable

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>>174839267

that's 1 real legendary and one epic anon, cheer up!

>>174838792

>not knowing rutger's is a prestigious college

Is anyone actually having fun in this meta ?

I feel like there is no skill involved, since most are combo decks that there is no way to intract with.

>>174840405
what? closest thing to a combo deck is quest rogue or warp, but warp mage has stopped seeing serious play for awhile now

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Tarim was definitely the right way to go. First game after crafting him, and already I'm in love :^). Literally won me the game I would have otherwise probably lost.

Also I'm so fucking sick of pirate shitters, I don't have any problems keeping 2x golakka in my deck forever. 2/3 isn't even that bad, it's actually a great body for fending off aggro shitters early just in general.

>rank 4 for now
>win rate is 50% since this morning i started at r4 1/5 stars
>win a game
>lose a game
>win a game
>lose a game
>win a game
>lose a game
>lose a game
>win a game
>win a game
>never reached rank 3

i-i just want to be legend

Should I dust the pally quest and gold swamp king dred?

>>174840702
Does this deck require Lightlord as well?
All good Paladin decks I see run him and I don't feel like throwing 1600 dust into the fire.

What's the counterplay to mages throwing frost novas and blizzards and ice blocks every turn then discovering more when they use all the ones in their deck

>>174841020
light rag is a meme don't even rely on rng cards if you're f2p

tarim is guaranteed to fuck over buff cancer

lightlord is good- but tarim is the higher priority

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>>174841108

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>>174841020

idk I don't own him, I'm not even running LoH, just seems too slow to me. I don't own primordial drake yet so I'm testing twilight drake (4 drop that can be picked up by curator), still not completely sure whether it's good or not yet.

Don't listen to people who tell you not to bother running the golakkas. Every aggro deck I've run into runs at least a minimal patches package. They're probably pirate players themselves trying to trick you :^) Also I just really really hate losing to pirate shitters who just go face in general, maybe it's just me

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>>174840405
>there's no way to interact with combo decks

are you fucking serious, almost all combo decks are dumpster tier because of this card. In addition to the inherit problem of combos where your important cards are in the bottom sometimes, now you also get dicked on by dirty rat

>>174841108
healing because they can't burst you for 20+ with no ice lance

aggression

removal for doomsayers

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>>174841320
I hate this card.
Even with a full hand, it always pulls out the only one I don't want him to pull out. Fuck that shit. Rigged RNG against me.

>>174841320
>I ain't talkin'!
>Someday I'll be just like you!
>You win this one
>Heh, greetings
is there any greater feeling?

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>tfw two intelligent too play quest rogue

>>174841306
rank? just wondering, this deck seems good

im at rank 4 and idk thinking stonehill would be great but truly unsure

>>174840874
I wouldn't dust any of the quests right now. Maybe in a year.

>>174841020

it'll save your life as often as it will just sit in your hand doing nothing, i'd only craft it if you were completely in love with playing pally and don't want to run 2x forbidden healing

>>174841320
>dirty rat
>don't get antonidas or whatever the rogue is bouncing
>lose
>get the card you need
>probably still lose after the mage gets a second pyroblast off of primordial glyph and the rogue just bounces a different minion

Combo decks would be garbage if you had any choice in what you counter or disrupt. Instead you get to roll a dice (like every other function of the game) that decides how the match up will go.

>>174841550
Not the anon you're asking but in Paladin Stonehill basically guarantees you to get Tarim, Tirion or the small 2/2 shitter.
Every choice from him is pretty good with Tarim obviously being the best one.

It's one of my favorite cards to use in Paladin decks.

>>174841480
not playing taunt warrior

WHY DOES BLIZZARD MAKE SURE THAT WITH EACH EXPANSION WARRIOR HAS AT LEAST 2 VIABLE DECKS, WHY IS THAT BLIZZARDS FAVORITE CLASS? HONESTLY FUCK REDDIT

>Hemet Mage

wow that sure is fucking interactive as SHIT

thank you blizzard for removing all neutral heals

>>174842285
SERIOUSLY MY ONLY LOSSES ARE EVER GOLDEN PORTRAIT GARROSHES WITH LEGEND CARDBACK OR MAGNIS WITH UN'GORO PREORDER CARDBACK

>>174841550

Got up to rank 7 and then fell back to rank 9 while trying to make lyraless silence priest work for fun. You can literally see my rank here: >>174840702

I'm also the guy that got the golden shaman quest so I only just got tarim like an hour or so ago: >>174833504

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>play Arena as Mage
>Don't get a single Legendary
>get matched vs. another 3-1 Paladin
>Plays two Tirion Fordrings
>Plays a Sunkeeper Tarim to reduce my Bog monster to a piece of shit and finds Lethal

FUCKING RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT GAME, OOOOOOOOH, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND PROBABILITY BRUH, SOMEONE HAS TO BE MORE LUCKY THAN OTHERS, IT'S THE NATURE OF OUR FUCKING BROKEN RANDOM GENERATION ALGORITHM THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE SECONDS OF THE TIME, SO IF YOU HIT THE RIGHT FREQUENCY YOU CAN ROLL THE SAME LEGENDARY EVERY 10 SECONDS, IT'S JUST RNG BRUHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>174842383
This deck is the most fun I've ever had with this game. Just sitting behind walls of discovered Ice Blocks and hitting face turn after turn while the shitter can't do anything is hilarious.

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>>174825669

Will a better cardback ever be made?

>in by Dalaran flame fags try to claim it's the best

>>174843436

A better cardback has already been made.

It's called "literally any other cardback"

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>>174843436
>he spent dozens of hours grinding for this disgusting collection of brown pixels, rather than lifting weights, playing a sport, developing his career, or making friends
truly sad

>>174843436
too normie

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>>174843436
>Brown
>tattered

It's garbage mate. That's why nobody who has ever gotten legend uses it.

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>>174843436
you just hate us cuz you ain't us
(not shown, every other season's cardbacks)

Should I spend my next gold on an arena ticket or on a pack?

>>174843436
Shadowmoon Valley is my personal favorite. Legend is pretty ugly and seems desperate to use.

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>Play T2 Dirty Rat against a Quest Rogue
>Yank Youthful Brewmaster
>"Smart moves. I concede"

Hand disruption really was long overdue in this game

>>174843947
That cardback is sweet, but I think the upcoming Sunwell one is a decent competitor. Really love the colors on it.

>>174844337
>>174843436
everyone spams emotes and BMs when you use legend cardback

Blizzard claims that rank 5 is the top 2.5% of hearthstone players, but we all know that isnt true. What is the real percentile of rank 5?

>>174843557
>>174843772
>>174843925

>perennial rank 20-10 players triggered so hard

gluttonous ooze thoughts?

>>174843436
>play someone with legend cardback
>win
>no longer need to grind to legend since I've proven I'm good enough to compete on their level
tons of hours preserved

>>174844573

>Dipshit who got Legend for the first time today thinking the cardback makes him hot shit.

>>174843436
LoE cardback is objectively the best

Do you think the murlocs will be rotated out next year?

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>>174844573
>I played 700 games of Aggro Shaman and made Legend on the last day
>pls notice my card back it's all I have
SAD

>>174844614

>he doesn't understand the difference between winning a single game and maintaining a high win % over an entire season when it comes to a high variance, RNG and matchup dependant, card game

No wonder you suck, damn.

>>174844634

I've been legend a few times. It makes me better than you scrub.

>>174829429
>play quest rogue
>get nothing but aggro decks
>play pirate warrior
>get nothing but control
epik meme

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>>174843436
>>174843947

Will you basic bitches ever understand that Pirates is the best cardback?

Do you have a spinning carved wooden wheel with golden embroidery skulls and shit and an epic flag waving in the back of your shitty cardbacks? Does it have a detailed flowing water animation in the middle? No? Then fuck off.

>>174844731

>aggro shaman exists

What?

>>174844584

I run it as a one-of in my Paladin deck, haven't regretted it yet. It actually saved me a game when a fucking Priest lifted Truesilver out of my deck with Oracle.

>>174829678
>midrange paladin
>ok
>aggro paladin
>cancer
>when they are only 4 cards different from both lists

>>174844865

Son, sit down, and let me tell you of the days of turn 1 tunnel trogg, turn 2 totem golem...

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>>174844748
>It makes me better than you scrub.
not him but this post reeks of insecurity and loneliness.

Why is legend cardback considered an achievement of any sort?

It is either playing with a cancerous deck till you reach legend or playing a non-cancerous deck and grinding till you reach legend.

I got mine from the beta cause I was a tryhard then. I know better now

>>174845117

Why? He insulted me first.

>>174845052

No, I no. Aggro shaman no longer exists.

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>>174841306
Looks pretty similar to mine. No Golakka because I almost never run into pirates, and a few other changes, but most of the cards are the same

>>174844748
>high variance, RNG and matchup dependant
>"maintaining"

You misspelled "playing a tier 1 meta deck and having relatively good luck and a lot of time on your hands". It's okay anon, we all make mistakes.

>>174845228

>Why is legend cardback considered an achievement of any sort?

99% of people can't get it

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>>174845271
>No, I no.

>>174845384
99% of males don't suck dick. I don't consider it an achievement if you sucked dick tho.

>>174845328

You see tier 1 meta decks from rank 15 amigo; that's not the reason certain players get to legend, or rank 1 legend for that matter.

>having relatively good luck

Doesn't exist over hundreds of games.

>>174844047

Depends. Arena is objectively a better use of your gold because you can earn more gold/packs and "go infinite" potentially while letting hearth arena pick your decks for you.

Mostly depends if you want to play Arena or not, because you actually like Arena or you are trying to grow your collection more quickly.

>>174845452
I think the percentage of males that don't suck dick is a little lower than that man come on.

>>174845228
Because its the only cardback you can actually unlock through any sort of pvp content.

>>174845384
It always blows my mind how many people struggle to even get rank 10. Must be F2P because most of the best decks play themselves.

>>174843436
Heroic LoE, Heroic Kara, Tespa, the one you get from Tirande, Medich, the dwarf whos name has escaped me, the one that looks like just finished apple pie...
Almost every card back is better than the uninspiring brown.

>>174845505
Isn't there one that you can only unlock by attending some tournament?

>>174845497
1% of the population is gay or bi. Don't be ridiculous

>>174845726
Sucking dick isn't gay tho.

>>174845726
Last time I read anything related it was ~4% for gay. Bi isn't ever a consistent number because bifags are the worst and will say gay or straight depending on what leg they stood up that morning.

Also you can always give your bro a brojob and it's not gay. Just bro things, right?

>>174845789
Only if you say No homo before that. Do you?

>>174845875

You don't have to say no homo if it's a feminine penis.

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> "play 10 divine shield minion"
> wild casual
> it's a fucking pirate warrior without patches
> still win with 3hp left because of taunt with divine shield

But why? Even in casual people are running this cancer shit.

Should I craft Sherazin or Lyra? I like both rogue and priest

>>174845917
You do if you are sucking the feminine penis. Not the other way around bro. Looks like you have been indulging in homosexual activities. Not cool bro.

>>174845917
What a coincidence, I happen to have a feminine penis right here!

>>174845726
>Isn't there one that you can only unlock by attending some tournament?
Oh probably. I meant reasonably. Unless a tournament happens to come to my city, I wouldn't even consider those.

>>174845935
Sherazin is used in exactly 1 deck (flower/miracle rogue). Lyra is used in every single priest deck. However miracle rogue is considered stronger than all priest decks at the moment.

>>174846160
Yeah, but apparently Patches is core to miracle rogue, and I don't have him (though I do have vancleef). I also don't have Thalnos. I'd need to craft both the shadow visions AND the dragonfire potions for priest decks, but the only other legendary they seem to run is Elise, which I pulled.

>>174845487
>You see tier 1 meta decks from rank 15 amigo; that's not the reason certain players get to legend, or rank 1 legend for that matter.

Are you fucking serious, kid? That literally is the reason certain players get to legend, or rank 1 legend.

It's LITERALLY a quantity over quality issue, especially with a game who's skill ceiling is this low. Those people at rank 15? They don't give a fuck, they just do dailies and purposefully stay that low of a rank so they can do them quickly. They like to play meme decks for fun. Even people who have hit legend already often do this.

Once you get to rank 5, if you can maintain a 60% winrate it'll take roughly 130 games to get to legend. If that drops to 55% at some point, that amount doubles. And that's after you've climbed to rank 5 in the first place. Most people don't want to play this shitty game for hundreds of matches a month. They may not even necessarily enjoy playing boring shitty pirate warrior over and over and over again.

It's literally just a numbers game. I stress literally in the true definition of the word, it's really just about playing a lot of games with the best meta deck of the moment, and not being a fucking retard I guess. To suggest that people can get say an 80 or even 90% winrate because they're really good at the game is absurd, and why? Because this isn't a skill-based game, it's a free casino essentially.

tl;dr It's literally just about playing hundreds of games a month with the best deck, that's it. Most people don't want to do that. Don't play a game that is mostly based on p2w and luck if you want to be proud of your accomplishments.

>>174846297
You also need 2 vilespine for miracle rogue. Patches is not core but most people run it to thin their deck out. Some variants don't.

>>174846313
>Once you get to rank 5, if you can maintain a 60% winrate it'll take roughly 130 games to get to legend. If that drops to 55% at some point, that amount doubles.
Rank 3 now. Thanks for convincing me to give up. Holy shit.

>>174846313
Yep, the only reason I'm going to be getting Legend again after so long is that I enjoy playing a fast deck. If I like mostly slow decks for that meta I'm never getting to Legend.

>>174846313
Even when ropecoach and SuperJJ trained in their hyperbolic time chamber, they only managed a winrate of 67%. 67% is still close to 100 games.

>>174846641
bushrope also has downs, so anyone can get to the 67% ceiling with enough thought

>>174846313

>Those people at rank 15? They don't give a fuck, they just do dailies and purposefully stay that low of a rank so they can do them quickly. They like to play meme decks for fun.

lol no, if you're a decent player you'll be winning so much in the ranks 15 and above that you'll quickly rise, even if you don't play much.

>Once you get to rank 5, if you can maintain a 60% winrate it'll take roughly 130 games to get to legend.

And it's literally impossible for everyone to maintain a 60% winrate, given that HS wins is a zero sum game. For every winner there's a loser. Not everyone can get to legend, period. It's not necessarily easy to maintain a 55% winrate vs decent players with good decks. From waht you're saying here I know for a fact you've never done it.

> To suggest that people can get say an 80 or even 90% winrate because they're really good at the game is absurd, and why? Because this isn't a skill-based game, it's a free casino essentially.

Top players climb ladder with a 60-70% winrate. Most people can't maintain even a 50% winrate beyond rank 10, lol, let alone 5.

>It's literally just a numbers game. I stress literally in the true definition of the word, it's really just about playing a lot of games with the best meta deck of the moment

Past rank 5 every single person is playing a top meta deck. Everyone. You need to beat them more than they beat you to climb to legend, and you need to do that consistently, over a large number of games.

Stay salty rank 15 scrub hahahahaha

>>174846407
Right, I forgot. I guess I'll just play the Quest Rogue I already have and work on priest, then I'll go and craft Miracle stuff

>>174846746
67% is an incredibly low ceiling for the amount of effort put in.

>>174846530

This might also be interesting for you, first time day9 actually hit legend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTfxOMYlj3Y

If you want to know the math it's pretty easy, basically you need like 25 wins to get to legend from rank 5 and if you have a 60% win rate that means every 10 games you win 6 and lose 4, i.e. you end up with +2 stars. So like 12.5*10=125 or about 130 (or if you think 26 instead of 25 if you go back to rank 5 0 stars).

>>174846641

A lot more people here should really watch and listen to this: https://youtu.be/egkNbk5XBS4?t=228

>>174846749
>given that HS wins is a zero sum game
No you fucking moron. Whose stars do you think HS confiscates when you go on a winstreak? Whose star does anyone not legend gain when they beat someone from legend? Lemme me guess, you never been legendary before? Time to visit Tempostorm kiddo.

>>174846953

>he thinks there are winstreaks above rank 5

hahahahahaha, rank 15 shithead every body

>>174847000
People from Rank 5 constantly play people from Rank 6. So long as Blizzard is pulling random stars out of their asshole, HS isn't a zero sum game moron. Do you understand what a zero sum game is?

>>174846953

lol and i said wins anyway retard, not stars; you're actually going to dispute this statement:

>not everyone can maintain a 60% winrate

???

I mean... seriously retard?

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>>174843436

this and the one night cardbacks are the best tbqhwymf

>>174847136

see

>>174847194
>>174847194

Also

>People from Rank 5 constantly play people from Rank 6
>constantly

No, they play people at rank 6 if they're within 2 stars of rank 6 themselves hahahahaha

Dude, try to go from rank 4-legend with winstreak stars and see how many rank 6 players you play against ahahahaha

You unironically think everyone can have a 60% winrate because it's "not" a zery sum game... you're literally retarded.

>>174847312
>Say it is a zero sum game
>Turns out to be wrong
Are you a fucking moron? Winrate has nothing to do with getting legend either. So long as HS is not a zero sum game with regards to stars, you can make legend with a 50.1% winrate so long as you play enough games. That is basically flipping enough coins that a lucky heads will get you into legend.

>>174846749
>It's not necessarily easy to maintain a 55% winrate vs decent players with good decks
good thing not everyone between ranks 5 and 1 is a decent player, huh
you're vastly overstating how hard it is to maintain a winrate viable for climbing gold league

>>174847312

Your skill at the game isn't what determines how long it takes you to get to legend though, it's just playing hundreds of games and hoping luck doesn't fuck you too hard, or otherwise playing hundreds of games so the luck evens out in the end.

I mean what skill are you seeing in someone who plays midrange hunter or pirate warrior to legend? What are these really difficult and complicated plays that only the best pro players can pull off, exactly?

Or is it instead that legend is full of people who stream hearthstone for a living and no-life autists who do nothing but play hearthstone all day every day? Hmmmm really makes you think.

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paid out the ass to get that sweet, sweet murloc paladin

i'm in fucking heaven right now

>>174847506
rank 5-1 has been weird so far this season. I just fought an elemental mage at rank 4. wtf tier is elemental mage? 3 or 4?

>>174847470

I'm not wrong... hearthstone wins are a zero sum game, lol. You must be a total fucking retard hahahah

>Winrate has nothing to do with getting legend either.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>you can make legend with a 50.1% winrate so long as you play enough games. That is basically flipping enough coins that a lucky heads will get you into legend.

lol, sure, it will take you like 1200 games, but ya... if you can maintain a 50.1% winrate vs good players you'll get there

>That is basically flipping enough coins that a lucky heads will get you into legend.

No, lol, because you have to outplay people who are actually quite good. If you take your average rank 15 shitter (like you LOL) you won't be able to maintain even a 45% winrate from rank 3-legend, which means you;ll tank to 5 and just sit there hahahaha

>>174847775
Nobody respects you, nigger.

>>174847775

It's actually pretty fascinating to psychologically analyze your posts as you desperately try to prove the amount of time you spend tryharding in this game has meaning and you're actually "skilled" and have worth, lol.

Not that even telling you this will stop you.

>>174847610

>Your skill at the game isn't what determines how long it takes you to get to legend though, it's just playing hundreds of games and hoping luck doesn't fuck you too hard, or otherwise playing hundreds of games so the luck evens out in the end.

Sorry, but no, shieldbearer. Your skill is directly responsible for how long it takes you to hit legend (in your case it will never happen) because your skill determines your winrate.

>I mean what skill are you seeing in someone who plays midrange hunter or pirate warrior to legend? What are these really difficult and complicated plays that only the best pro players can pull off, exactly?

Lots of little decisions change your winrate. If you transplanted a rank 20 player to rank 5, gave him an optimized pirate list, and told him to go to town, he wouldn't win many games. He wouldn't know how to play to his outs, he wouldn't have a good sense of how to mulligan depending on matchups, he wouldn't know when to value trade or go face, etc, etc, etc

Skill can change your winrate from 45-70 and that's the difference maker for legend being literally impossible to legend being a 2 or 3 day climb. For most people, it takes a long time.

I know you guys need to feel like you can justify your inability to climb past rank 13 by saying that hearthstone requires zero skill, but it's total nonsense.

>>174847775
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/drr/vs-power-rankings-data-reaper-report/

Here is the latest vs report. Lets say you play pirate warrior and you are worse than the AVERAGE pirate warrior play and get a winrate of 52% instead of 53.5%.

That means you for 100 games, you play you gain a net of 4 stars (52 wins vs 48 loses). You need 25 stars to make legend. That is roughly 400 games of going face. A pirate warrior is normally 3 minutes on average. That is 1200 minutes or 20 hours.

So a below average players playing pirate warrior can get legend if he played 20 hours a month. There is nothing impressive about this except his ability to play 20 hours of the most boring bullshit possible.

That is a below average player with a cheap as fuck deck. If you are average, it is even easier. Getting legend isn't a skill, it is grinding hours of HS.

>>174848004

I've barely played HS in months amigo, I picked it up again for the expansion that just dropped.

I made a legend grind on purpose once, and got it again another season hen I just happened to play a lot. I'm not going to say it's a worthwhile human endeavour; I'm just explaining to shieldbearers that it's a difficult thing to do.

I mean... we have people trying to claim that winrate isn't a zero sum game, and I'm the person people are criticizing? Damn.

>>174848293
It is not difficult to do. The only difficult thing about getting legend is playing hours of HS. That is it. As I have proven here >>174848180 a below average player using the pirate warrior can get legend if he put in enough hours.

>>174846839
>And I just said you know what, I'm gonna just pick a top tier deck and grind to legend. The experience that I had was one where I did not necessarily have to play better. I had the win rate, and I simply had to continue to hit play.
>30-35 hours of grinding
>the climb to legend was one of the least fun experiences I've had playing almost any game for the last long time. Truly the grind to legend was not, in any way, fun.

Jesus christ how horrifying, what is wrong with people who do this regularly?

Fucking stop fighting damnit I'm tired.

Banlist in an hour.

Tomorrow we're doing community bans and portraits.

>>174848180

Holy shit, the stupid burns. You are dumb... or at least you can't interpret data verl well.

So lets break this down.

>Here is the latest vs report. Lets say you play pirate warrior and you are worse than the AVERAGE pirate warrior play and get a winrate of 52% instead of 53.5%.

Dude... pirate warrior has a 53% winrate OVERALL, at all ranks... The deck has that winrate over the entire ladder, but very, very few people are playing the game below rank 5. The AVERAGE pirate warrior player is somewhere between rank 14 and 18, like the average player of every other deck. Maintaining a 52% winrate at rank 18 and rank 2 is completely different because the caliber of player you're competing against is totally altered.

You'd know this if you were good. I more or less cruise to 5 with whatever deck I feel like playing, and after that it's significantly harder. Yes, that's partially due to winstreaks, but my winrate is MUCH higher at the higher ranks.

>So a below average players playing pirate warrior can get legend if he played 20 hours a month.

He can't. An average player can't either. Some extremelty low % of players even touch rank 5 so your understanding of average is all screwed up.

>>174848180
Made a mistake here. It should be 6 * 4 = 24. So around 600 games or 1800 minutes or 30 hours.

>>174848441
You and the rest of the Cocksucker Crew are really making this general suck. I shouldn't lash out at just you but its just getting super stale.

>this game takes no skill
>anyone can get legend in 100hours but I hate this game so don't want too
>look at the Google reports this game is dying
>why did they make another expansion? fuck this sucks Hearthstone was supposed to die
>the meta is awful
>don't craft things just play pirates lel no deck is fun
>tournaments aka professional coin flipping lel
>every deck is too expensive even though they gave me 3K dust free plus i can DE wild
>stop lying to yourself this game isn't fun

I swear there is at least one post with each of these phrases every single thread. Just fuck off.

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>>174848551
Read the report again you fucking moron. It is specifically R5 to R1. Is this the brain capacity of the average legend cardback defender?

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fuckin scripted piece of shit

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>>174848445

>>174848441

The fact that you so cluelessly interpreted the data assures me that you're an idiot elsehwere in life as well. You probably can't make good decisions in game so you're projecting your shit play onto this "HS takes 0 skill" crap, haha.

legend cardback is pretty lame alright moving on

>>174848493
banlist:
firey waraxe
jade claws
murloc warleader
tirion
twilight drake
radiant elemental
patches
prep
antonidas
savage roar

completely pulled out of my ass

>>174848686
Go to bed Ben.

>>174848293

You've been trying to say this whole time that basically it requires skill, seeming a significant enough amount of skill that most people aren't capable of it, to get to legend. That the difficulty is not in playing a large quantity of games using the same boring tier -1 ultra broken deck but in how good you are at the game in some way. That the people who got to legend or to high legend are incredibly skilled at the game and not just people who play the best decks and play for tons of hours every single day like it's their job (and often it is).

This whole time you've been getting BTFO over this and you continue to try to protect your ego. Even now when you've potentially noticed your blunder and are trying to suddenly play it off as not a big deal, innocently wondering why everyone is so upset all of a sudden as if the past events never happened.

Also, that aside, it isn't a zero-sum game because once you get to legend you're out of the race. At least in terms of making it from rank 5 to legend, even if I was literally the only non-legend left in the game I would just get paired against people already in legend and if I beat enough of them I could still get to legend, there isn't a finite number of stars people can get.

>>174848748

Holy fucking shit dude... This is actually sad

>pirate warrior has a 53% winratre from rank5-R1

And those players are not THE AVERAGE OF HS OVERALL YOU DUMB FUCK, LOL, they are way WAY above average.

If you're playing pirate warrior at rank 5 you are NOT A BELOW AVERAGE PIRATE WARRIOR PLAYER, LOL; a below average pirate warrior player would be BELOW THE AVERAGE CURVE and would be sitting at rank fucking 18, lol; where below average players are.

>>174848827
>Gets repeated BTFO
>Gets even more BTFO by stats
>Continue to cry
Okay anon. It is hard to justify spending that 100 hours you put into getting a cardback that isn't even nice. I have proven that a below average pirate warrior can make legend. What cancer deck did you grind with into legend?

>>174849006
>If you're playing pirate warrior at rank 5 you are NOT A BELOW AVERAGE PIRATE WARRIOR PLAYER
stupid nigger

>BREAK YOURSELF UPON MY BODY
>shadow word: death
>MY BODY...!

jeez, ozruk is hilariously bad

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I hate this game sometimes.
>nigger topdecks Warleader which is exactly what he needed

>>174848960

>You've been trying to say this whole time that basically it requires skill, seeming a significant enough amount of skill that most people aren't capable of it, to get to legend. That the difficulty is not in playing a large quantity of games using the same boring tier -1 ultra broken deck but in how good you are at the game in some way. That the people who got to legend or to high legend are incredibly skilled at the game and not just people who play the best decks and play for tons of hours every single day like it's their job (and often it is).

All of this sounds about right to me, yes. Legend requires more game knowledge and ability than most people posses (but not everyone who's never been to legend is necessarily incapable) and maintaining a higher than 50% winrate requires more than simply games played (you have to win more than you lose against players who are already far beyond average).

>This whole time you've been getting BTFO over this

I really haven't been. A bunch of people disagreeing with me doesn't "BTFO" me, it just means a bunch of salty neverlegends are butthurt that they might not have what it takes after convincing themselves that it's not a skill threshhold, even though it clearly is.

>Also, that aside, it isn't a zero-sum game because once you get to legend you're out of the race.

Winrate...

WINRATE

Is a zero sum game...

How do you STILL not understand this... I never fucking mentioned stars.

>>174849251
>dino always gives flaming claws on their full board of garbage you cant keep up with clearing

>>174849160
Depends what you're playing him against. Pulling him off of stonehill and dropping a 5/15 against pirate warrior usually just ends the game.

>>174849006
Do you understand what the word average mean? Do you understand that these winrates are obtained from averaging EVERYONE's winrate? Do you understand that above R5 pirate warrior has an even higher AVERAGE winrate? You understand stats right? My little anon cannot be this retard and talk about skills, outs and what not but can't understand or calculate basic statistics which is key to probability.

>mage gets 3 fucking pyroblasts and 3 fireballs from their bullshit cancer cards

and here I thought 30 armor was enough.

>>174826995
t Shield Bearer

>>174849280
The average pirate warrior can maintain a close to 54% winrate from 15-5 and 53.5% winrate from 5 to 1. So given enough hours, any average player using pirate warrior can make legend. The only barrier is time. This is fucking basic statistics.

>>174849329

Jesus fucking christ dude... you're claiming that a BELOW AVERAGE PLAYER (as in, a player who is below the average skill level of the general HS playerbase) will hit Legend playing pirate warrior, and you base this claim on the deck having a 53% winrate, overall, on ladder.

A BELOW AVERAGE PLAYER IS NOT AT RANK 5, he's at rank fucking 18.

2% of players are at rank 5... they're way, way above average.

Good fucking God man...

>>174849326
Maybe, but if you've lasted to turn 9 to play him against pirate warrior you've probably already won anyway.

And the only class that runs both a bunch of elementals and stonehill is shaman, anyway.

>>174849549
>2% of players are at rank 5... they're way, way above average.
You're a fucking idiot.

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>>174849589
My nigga, elemental shaman is all I play.

>>174849490

I give up... you can't reason with this level of stupidity.

For the last fucking time...

The average player is not at rank 5... the average player never touches rank 5... the average (as in the median) of HS players sit around rank 17-14 and do not move beyond that.

>So given enough hours, any average player using pirate warrior can make legend.

None of them can. The average player, with any deck, can;'t maintain a 50% winrate into rank 8, lol.

>>174849549
t. I don't know how statistics work

>>174849673
Ah. Is it any fun? It seems to be too "play elementals on curve" for my liking, but I barely see anyone play it at all.

>there are some people STILL playing the boring as fuck jade druid even though they get absolutely blown the fuck out by newer decks
I don't get it. What drives people to do this?

>>174849694
>you can't reason with this level of stupidity.
I agree completely, you arrogant motherfucker

>>174849736

You're so grossly mistaken that it's actually pretty sad. You're claim is that the AVERAGE PLAYER can get to legend, with a 53% winrate, playing pirate warrior. Which isn't true. The deck has an average winrate of 53% from rank 5-legend, but the people playing in that bracket are not average players, they make up a VERY VERY SMALL SUBSET OF ACTIVE PLAYERS.

Most hearthstone players fall between rank 18 and 14 and do not move beyond it. That is average.

The small number of people who are at rank 5, are currently playing pirate warrior with a 53% winrate in that bracket. They. Are. Not. Average.

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>Kripp online

Thank fucking God someone started streaming.

>>174849694
>>174849549
Is this the part where you pull bullshit statistics you cannot possibly back up at all out of your asshole while claiming others are stupid?

Here back up your claims.
>A BELOW AVERAGE PLAYER IS NOT AT RANK 5, he's at rank fucking 18.
>None of them can. The average player, with any deck, can;'t maintain a 50% winrate into rank 8, lol.

>>174848865

someone seriously banned reverse sorc's apprentice?

>>174849973
They went all in on jade thinking it'd last them until it rotates out
They want to keep justifying it to themselves

>>174849280

But see, winrate isn't based on how good you are, it's mostly decided upon which deck you choose to play with (the class/cards in your deck), what matchups you get (RNG), what cards you draw and in what order (RNG), and what cards and what order your opponent draws their cards (RNG), as well as loads of specifically RNG-effect cards like swashburglar, glyph, stonehill defender, etc.

Even if you want to say not everyone can maintain say a 67% win rate or something, it's STILL not decided by players being really good at the game but more or less by luck. The guy who gets to rank 1 legend isn't necessarily better at the game then the rest of the top 10 or even top 100, but he just happened to get lucky in enough games with matchups and card draws and RNG cards that things worked out for him more than it worked out for other people. His skill didn't have much to do with that at all beyond being able to make a set of very very simple decisions with basic math in often under 10 turns.

Ultimately the point is the skill of the player in Hearthstone has next to no effect on win rate. Getting to legend has next to nothing to do with player skill compared to picking the best deck and playing hundreds of games with it and not being literally mentally handicapped.

Do you get this yet? Or maybe I should instead put the question to you and say, what are some examples of really clever and creative plays made by pirate warrior or midrange hunter and how often do they come up as being make-or-break circumstances in determining who wins and who loses a particular game? Because I can tell you right now you'll be hard pressed to, even with the craziest circumstances you can imagine, to really surprise or stump anyone here.

what happened to all the exodia mages and taunt warriors? did paladin singlehandedly kill them?

Is there a deck that is a better version of tempo rogue at the moment?

>>174850067
"no"

>>174849769
as a fan of shaman, not really right now. Really curve dependent, and you have no reach unless you tech in bloodlust, which you probably should have atleast 1

>>174850017

k

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/15955974/hearthside-chat-youre-better-than-you-think-9-18-2014

>75% of hearthstone players are between rank 25 and 15

>2% are rank 5 and above

Do you see how maintaining a 53% winrate at rank 5 is never 'average' when considering the entire field of HS players and accounts?

The decks's average winrate at rank 5-legend is 53%, but the number of people who are participating in that bracket is very very low.

Come on man, you must understand this.

>>174850017

The problem with these is the "they can't do it" compared to "they choose not to do it". He's assuming they're low rank because they "aren't good enough at the game" and even if they tried they couldn't rank up, compared to the reality which is that most people don't give a shit about rank and just play for fun, or even more likely PURPOSEFULLY stay at a low rank (by conceding games if necessary) for easy dailies.

>>174850254
I literally just played an Exodia Mage and have been playing Taunt Warriors all day.

I'm rank 10, though, so I don't know.

>>174849994
> They. Are. Not. Average.
I agree. The only thing about them that isn't average is the amount of hours they put into HS you imbecile. That is nothing about Rank 5 and correlation with skill.

Any skill player can sit at Rank 10 if he just plays 10 games a month. Again hours play =/= skill.

If I play enough hours and I am slightly below average winrate of ALL the winrate of the people on the ladder, I can still make ladder.

In fact all you have done is proven my point where the key to getting legend is being active.

>>174850364
Are those stats accurate or is it just blizzard trying to make players feel better?

>>174850005
>those hours of complete dead air when the only streamers are chinese autists or normies
its the worst, ain't it?

>>174850429

Im early rank 5. tons of pirates and a few core rogues though. surprising amount of priests

>>174850364
You haven't proved
>The average player, with any deck, can;'t maintain a 50% winrate into rank 8, lol.

>>174850473
they're accurate but meaningless. Realistically rank 20-15 is people who log in once every few days to do a daily

>>174850473
a little bit of column A, a little bit of column B
if those stats were further refined into active players and not just people who play once or twice during the season, it might be a little more accurate

Mayor nogg, Cho'gall, Herald 1/1 copies guy, hunter quest and Tyrantus are all safe dust right?

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>>174840702
>whines about aggro
>plays murloc paladin
>mfw

>>174850206

>But see, winrate isn't based on how good you are, it's mostly decided upon which deck you choose to play with (the class/cards in your deck), what matchups you get (RNG), what cards you draw and in what order (RNG)

RNG evens out over time though. HS is a high variance game, I'll easily grant that, it's like poker, winning a single hand doesn't require of necessitate skill, but making a career out of it does.

There's a saying in magic that goes like:

35% of the time, you're going to win no matter what, 35% of the time you're going to lose no matter what, and 30% of the time your ability to play the game relative to your opponents ability is going to decide the outcome.

If skill wasn't a relevant factor in Hearthstone that you wouldn't have people with consistently high winrates and rank1 legend finishes season after season, you'd have total randomness, which anyone can see we don't have.

>The guy who gets to rank 1 legend isn't necessarily better at the game then the rest of the top 10 or even top 100

No he isn't, but all of those guys are MUCH better than people struggling to maintain a 50% winrate at rank 10, for example.

>Ultimately the point is the skill of the player in Hearthstone has next to no effect on win rate.

But your point is demonstrably wrong, and it can be proven with the fact that the same very small minority players consistently manage to achieve stellar winrates compared to the rest of the playerbase.

>Do you get this yet? Or maybe I should instead put the question to you and say, what are some examples of really clever and creative plays made by pirate warrior or midrange hunter and how often do they come up as being make-or-break circumstances

Very, very often. Go watch a top player pirate those decks and tell me with a straight face that you'd make every single play.

>potion of madness a living mana token and trade only half the rest
thanks for the free ramp. Its usually better to remove half the tokens if you cant remove all since he only gets half the value from buffing his tokens and has to do so at half mana.

>>174850364
>article is literally almost three years ago

>>174850821
Which legend proves nothing. We are not talking about tournament players here. We are talking about making legend on the ladder which does not require skill. All skill does is make the grind lesser. The only real barrier here is TIME.

>>174850595

Yes I have... 75% of players aren't in rank 8, if they had a greater than 50% winrate up til then they would make rank 8.

>>174850432

>I agree. The only thing about them that isn't average is the amount of hours they put into HS you imbecile. That is nothing about Rank 5 and correlation with skill.

Yes there is. Most people can't achieve it, and it's not because they don't play enough. I'm sorry you've never hit 5, and I feel bad that you're so obsessed with making sure nobody thinks they could actually be better than you at Hearthstone, but that's just the truth.

>In fact all you have done is proven my point where the key to getting legend is being active.

Yes it is. You need to play a lot of games. You also need a net positive winrate against good players, players who are already above 99% of the ladder system. Not average players, lol.

>>174851040
>Yes I have... 75% of players aren't in rank 8, if they had a greater than 50% winrate up til then they would make rank 8.
That is assuming they are consistently playing the game. An assumption which is WRONG. Reaper gets the average winrate of all active players vs your assumption of average of the entire playerbase. The former is way more accurate than whatever assumptions you made based off a 3 year old article.

>>174850432
you are wrong about being able to make legend. You actually need to maintain over a 50% winrate. You can make rank 5 with an under 50% winrate due to winstreaks

>>174850821
>No he isn't, but all of those guys are MUCH better than people struggling to maintain a 50% winrate at rank 10, for example.

This is the lynchpin of your argument as a whole and it's just wrong. This is what we've been fucking telling you this whole time. You keep thinking the people at those ranks are "struggling" and lose because they're retarded and the reality is most people either don't give a shit about ranking up (whether purposefully or for fun), or they don't play a good deck (whether because they just don't have the cards or for fun).

To suggest that pretty much anyone out there couldn't just pick up a pirate warrior list with all of the necessary cards and get to legend if they actually wanted to is absurd. Like... not everyone is actually trying to get legend but just can't, why can't you see that?

>>174850997

>The only real barrier here is TIME.

Nope. There's a skill barrier. You couldn't give a brand new player a good deck and expect them to win more than 50% of games against top ladder competition.

Can I see your proof of legend, btw? If you're so certain of the skill required I'm going to assume you've actually done the thing you know so much about.

I mean, there's decision making at many different points during a typical game of HS. Skill is a totally relevant variable.

>>174849769
The deck I play is really fun. You run dirty rats, stonehills, double volcano, double maelstrom, lightning storm, and devolve. Then, once you get to late game you have a bunch of al'akirs, ozoruks, and a few kalimos' that you've discovered off of your other shit, then once any of them stick to the board you use spirit echo to go long.

>>174851040
>Most people can't achieve it, and it's not because they don't play enough
Again you cannot prove this. Because you don't understand how stats work. So since you cannot back up your point, you follow it up with ad hominem. Nice.

>Yes it is. You need to play a lot of games. You also need a net positive winrate against good players, players who are already above 99% of the ladder system. Not average players, lol.
Again wrong. You don't understand basic statistics. I don't know how you made legend. Oh right. I have proven the average player can make legend given enough hours.

>>174850821
>35% of the time, you're going to win no matter what, 35% of the time you're going to lose no matter what, and 30% of the time your ability to play the game relative to your opponents ability is going to decide the outcome.
In Hearthstone, it's more like 45/45/10 though. Without tutors or the ability to interact with your opponent's turn, and with much simpler mechanics, you make a lot few choices in HS than in Magic. That means skill matters much less.

>>174850756

Murloc paladin is a midrange deck, not an aggro deck. Not a "face" deck, at least, if you want to make that distinction. If you compare it to pirate warrior this should be obvious.

>>174851184
The average pirate warrior from Rank 5 to 1 has a winrate of 53.5%. You have to be retarded and playing a shit deck to not have a 50% winrate at Rank 5. Even easier now that no one can derank from 5 and people stop grinding at 5 due to season rewards so they play daily decks and donate stars.