/smtg/ - 真・女神転生 Shin Megami Tensei General

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Just beat SMT1, protag should of had a harem with Heroine and Lilith

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>>174685813
I like it when they're naked.

P5 spoilers.

>Become everyone's friend and be like a son to Sojiro
>End up leaving anyway

Anyone feel like that ending was a little bit shit? It was kinda sad, but god damn it I'm disappointed.

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Tell me about Gale, why does he like dickgirls?

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Someone added P5 protag to this meme chart.

>>174686161
Because he comprehends.

>>174686243
what does it mean

>>174686154
He lives like an hour away anyway.

Which Persona girl will join Embryon in the DDS remake?

>>174686346
When do they say that? I can't recall anyone ever mentioning how far away he lives.

>>174686419
Chie obviously.

>>174686419
Haru teaches the Embryon how to farm. Alternatively Ayase.

>>174686243
i can't read nihongonese

can anyone help me understand

>>174686419
>>174686625
This. Game about hunger and eating fresh meat.

>>174686714
HeatxChie OTP

>>174686419
>An Embryon with a Persona
How strong would they be?

>play 4
>get neutral on my first run blind
>lel complete all the side quests faggot
I dropped the game and now I have some free time I want to play 4A. Is it worth the effort?

>>174687596
4A has lousy story/cast but the gameplay is great, and in general has a lot of improvements. Go ahead.

I find it has more replay value than 4.

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>>174687434
>have the Atma form of one particular demon
>have that same demon as your persona
>and summon it using a Demon Summoning Program
3 Jacks might as well be a royal flush, no-one can manage that much hee-ho from one man.

>>174687778
>more replay value than 4.

Why, what is even there to do? Get the bad endings?

>>174687989
TRIHEEGEEHO

>>174687596
>Get Law first playthrough.
>Do all the sidequests anyway because they're fucking there.
>all these people that drop the game because neutral

do people really not do sidequests when they play rpgs?

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Remember when this hyped the shit out of people like nothing else?

Jesus how did they drop the ball so bad

How do I get gifts from confidants in P5? I hanged out with Togo and Takemi at least 5 times after rank 10 and I got nothing, is there some trick to it?

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>there's strafing in SJ
I played through it never knowing.
Also is it me or is the DSJ UI sort of shit compared to SJ? I feel that the darker blues and black was better compared to the one we see now.

>>174688665
>do people really not do sidequests when they play rpgs?
Depends on the game. Sidequests are great when they're exactly that - sidequests. I tend to be completionist and go out of my way to do everything as well but I can fully understand that IV becomes a bit of slog when pumping out over 15 side quests is literally forced upon you to progress.

>>174689195
You have to travel specific locations. You have to visit the art museum with Yusuke, for instance, and with Ryuji it has to be a ramen shop.

>>174685597
so im up to the part where thor nukes everyone in smt 1 and not people are telling me that even the alignment of my demons will effect my route?
is this true of just some BS the game is spitting at me?

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>>174689441

I don't like how the bottom screen interface is using sprites instead of the art like 4 and Apocalypse.

>>174689156
spouting random one liners about friendship and trust against him sure was metal af

>>174689751
You can switch

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>>174689852

Well I've got nothing against the UI changes so far then.

Sure hope they do something about the fucking dark room viewer program. Even skipping most of the animation it feels like a massive time-waster.

>>174689567
But the game gives me no choice as to where the outings will be.
Sometimes with Takemi she'll do a quick examination and send me off and Togo will have a match then send me off aswell, how do I get them to leave?

Why does it feel like I have to force myself when it comes to playing Apocalypse?

>>174689751
I just think the brighter buttons and backgound loook meh compared to original's
Blues and black grids work well.

>>174689441
>doomguy
>not strafing

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Goodbye, if. I'm not gonna miss you.

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come back ;_;

>open up my old smt IV neutral save
>turns out i fell for the best angel meme and beat the game with that faggot
wew lad

>>174689852
Naa, not gonna buy a fucking Switch.

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Why Lucy so terrible at disguises?

>>174694094
I'm having a hard time accepting they haven't reused this design. It's literally the coolest demon in the franchise

>>174695328
>a templar robot with guns
>literally the coolest demon in the franchise
I like the design too but let's not get crazy.

>>174695479
>a templar robot with guns
>not the most rad

Should I play SMT4A on Apocalypse difficulty, or is it a bullshit difficulty?

What do I do after tokyo floods? Ive wandered all around the cathedral and the terminal isnt working

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Why do we hate this game again?

>>174699572
Haven't played it, was never excited about because never played FE either. I've heard some tracks from the OST and they were pretty good though.

>>174699572
It's not anything like what we were told we were going to get.

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>draw monkey
>call it a new character

>>174615883
Pretty sad.
The translator said that the editorial wants to claim rights to all the books so they don't have to claim them one at a time, but other than that I haven't heard any other news.

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Seriously though who told him this was a good haircut?

>>174700761
He saw too many movies and thought it was cool.
And it is.

>>174697210
Leave that for a NG+
The War difficulty is still fun.

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>>174686154
As a minor you have no say and you only left due to court order. But you leave close enough in which your buds kidnap you with no supplies to chill at a beach.

Joker-kun deserves a happy ending desu.

>>174686684
>>174686337
Left: unreasonable
Top: rewarded
Right: got what they deserved
Bottom: unrewarded

Poor Tatsuya ;_;

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Does the "agree-agree-refuse-end talk" thing still work in Apocalypse?

>>174690360
you have to invite them.

>>174701229
How?

>>174699572
>Game where you kill your friends and game in which your friends die 4ever if you fuck up
>idolshit

Its idolshit so, the aethtictics and themes dont appeal to me. Even if it was marketed as SMT x FE at first, I would still stay clear from it.

>>174686154
Ryuji says he'll come and hang whenever he can so he honestly can't be that far. When Sojiro called Joker a country kid he was probably exaggerating.

I actually thought it was a hopeful ending, though for some reason I'm completely unable to think of what the characters would be doing after the events of the game.

>>174701147
I think so.

>>174701147
They removed "end conversation".

>>174699572
I was shown the MCs of old and instead I got idols.

>>174701147
You can just agree every time actually

>>174701147
No, demons in Apocaylpse are much more nicer to Nanashi during negotiations and treat him like a child or a long lost friend. Even female demons want to coddle Nanashi. The only hard time I had recruiting demons was with Incubus because I couldn't tell if he was trolling

>>174701627
lewd

>>174701146
Tatsuya fucked up though

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>>174701627

>>174699572
The had an image problem and didn't know how to advertise itself.

>persona 5 introduced guns along with demon negotiations and non-randomly generated dungeons to the persona series
How can mainline compete?

>>174699572
idolshit and tiki's design doesn't make me want to fuck her anymore

>>174702192
>Mementos

>>174702192
Mainline can't compete. Atlus is too lazy to put money into mainline, which is why SMTV will look like something made in RPG Maker with Kaneko's demons clashing with Doi's human portraits and demons in Post Apocalyptic Tokyo.

>>174702192
>demons don't bite you in the face or ask you for items or money

Shit conversation system. SHIT!

>>174702267
It's better than tartarus at least

I honestly think they tried out bringing in more SMT things in P5 to try to get more people into SMT whenever a new one comes out

Plus we got all those new demon assets, and Atlus loves re-using shit.

One would only hope that whatever the combat is like is just as fast and stylish. Persona hype is alive and well, Atlus could easily get people to make the jump to a SMT game.

At what level should I face the undead man of bullfighting in smt3? Pulled up the fusion calculator and uzume seems good but level 18 might be a bit too overleveled for it.

SMT4 is shit or Im playing it wrong? I mean, there 30 hours spent already and i don't even know why im still playing.

TOTALLY NOT RANDOM ENCOUNTERS which you can't avoid. no plot, no characters, no demons, no bosses. you know, good battle theme but no bosses. no hardcore, just a lot of fucking easy battles for nothing.

i completed P2IS-EP, beat Nocturne with all endings, all difficulties, all demons compendium, beat DDS1-2, and then killed Hitoshura in DDS1 (thats hard you know), completed boring Raidou Kuzunoha games, playes NINE on XBOX ONE (the one first one), played IMAGINE, completed Strange JOhny 2 times (usual and solo), even played Maken X and FOLKLORE, and all that games didn't gave me so much dissappointment. you know, even etrian odyssey is somewhat better

>>174702571
That requires Atlus to stop using YHVH and Law as the antagonist for their mainline games.

>>174702641
>TOTALLY NOT RANDOM ENCOUNTERS which you can't avoid. no plot, no characters, no demons, no bosses. you know, good battle theme but no bosses. no hardcore, just a lot of fucking easy battles for nothing.
????
are you playing the challenge quests only?

>>174701315
>though for some reason I'm completely unable to think of what the characters would be doing after the events of the game
Ann's trying to be a top model, Ryuji's focusing on running, Yusuke is focusing on his art, Makoto is going to college to be a police commissioner, Futaba is being a normal girl and going to high school. I only got Haru to Rank 9, but I assume she's busy with her company.

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>have to backtrack for the millionth time in Raidou 1 because I don't have a demon with a specific skill or some random item that's needed to progress the story

>>174702737
i dont know what im playing. yes, i'm doing some quests too. why not, if they are there?

>>174702641
get the fan hack that adds more hardcores

>>174702937
There is a fan hack for SMT IV?

>>174702641
>strange johnny

Should I replay SMT1 or restart and finish SMT2?

>>174703615
I greatly prefer SMT 2 and its a far better game then SMT 1

Other then to know where the pillars where and where the grand chapel was because I forgot, I didt need to use a guide since its not as fuckign cryptic as SMT 1

>>174702641
How far are you in the game?

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King of Manlets

>>174703571
I'd call anyone who lists a wooden rectangle as their closest friend weird.

>>174702641
It's babies first SMT. Too difficult for newbies and easy for veterans. Dungeons are lacking until you get to the reds farm. Still pluto is where dungeons become somehat real dungeons but they're still linear. I blazed through the game because of that. I think around 30 hours after going through the alternate tokyos I got on the neutral route. Beat the game after 40 or so hours. Plot moves at a snails pace and essentially is just a bunch of samurais exploring tokyo for a while. Things start ramping up after your sent to kill the black samurai for the second time and characters start doing stuff but the plot still moves at a snails pace because of all the traveling and sidequests to do. SMT IV:A improved on some of the faults IV had, which also lead to some issues of it's own. The plot is now not snails pace. The dungeons, although somewhat linear are pretty good compared to what IV had to offer. Gameplay is still easy but the plot has issues.

>>174705592
well, in 30 hours i've got to some japanese-girl-demon boss, that eaten all gaea cult.

>>174706689
Yeah your still at the part where it's just a bunch of samurai being country hicks in tokyo. Plot really doesn't do anything until you kill kill the black samurai, which you haven't done yet. Then you start getting a few relevant npcs.

>>174706689
NOT JAPANESE!! SHE'S A DIRTY CHINK REEEEE

>>174702626
He's honestly not that hard at any level between 14 to 16. Just come in with buffs of your own and you should be fine.

Gimme a run down of what makes Strange Journey good

I'm 20 some hours in and it's good, but I haven't really had a moment where I've said "damn, I love this game"

There are some interesting things with the bosses and dungeons, but I dunno where the story is going.

I'm in sector Delphinus right now. Do later bosses or anything get more interesting?

Haven't been on /smtg/ in ages. That trailer with Doi Odin in it was SMT 1 HD teaser then, or something else?

>>174708857
Was Odin even in SMT 1? I thought only Thor was. Atleast Story wise

>SMT 1 HD
that would be to good to be true. I heard that the dude taking over Persona was the same dude in charge of P4 spin offs. And Persona just got good. again

>>174702641
>totally not random encounters
But you can avoid them? What?

>no plot, no characters
4's story is kind of sluggish, true, it tends to move in occasional large bursts than steadily. Still, this isn't really dissimilar to any other SMT game.

>no demons
What

>no bosses, no hardcore difficulty
This is 4's biggest problem. I do wish they had introduced hard mode on the first playthrough.

In any case, 4's bosses are only really hard at the very beginning and at the very end.

I'd just say complete the game once, preferably on neutral, then move onto final and play that on war/apocalypse difficulty. It'll address a lot of what you're complaining about here.

>>174708806
The game mechanics actually promote collecting and using a variety of different demons.
The dungeons are the best in megaten.

>>174537223
>Atlus is almost refusing to really experiment
Catherine was as experimental as you can get. Sure, it was a while ago, but Atlus is not that big - and if anything, getting bigger means you have more bills to pay and less chances for experiments.

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>>174708806
Sector E onward is when the game starts throwing holy shit moments at you.
Also save pic related for when you get to this part of Sector E. Trust me.

>>174708928
Not gonna lie, I love P5. I just wish the game threw a giant Metatron at you near the end of the run to the final boss, and that the final boss theme was more varied. And that he had a third phase.

>>174709002
But wouldn't it just be best to use demons that are same alignment?

I mean, I got a good amount of demons with good element coverage

Are status effects worth anything? I know buffs are in these games

>>174708806
it was the first SMT they played on a DS flashcart

>>174709070
Fighting the four archeangels and gabriel being the most "peaceful" one was good enough for me.

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Is there a dl link or something that has all of the demon artwork from the series? And I'm mainly referring to this type of concept art with the transparent background.

>>174709854
> He actually WANTS the ugly 80's gangster designs
ugh

>>174709946
>ugly
I know that everyone has their own opinion but your taste is just shit

>>174685813
i prefer the original NSFW design

>>174710081
They're ugly, dude, actually fucking worse than the 4 archangel designs.

Archangels should probably look more like eldritch abominations and divine beings than weird colored humans with church youth haircuts

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>>174710081
I'm sorry you don't see the superiority of giant blue tree branches with mouths at their chests.
They're supposed to be fucking horrible and ugly.

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>>174709946
What? Even Doi's designs have the type of concept art I'm referring too. I'm just curious if all the smt games artwork is available somewhere all together.

I love it when newfriends don't get all the epic memes.

>>174710410
just a meme bro xD

>>174710410
memes are best when they speak to inherent truth

>>174710323
Doi's stuff is great. Other then Satan in SMTIV:A I like all of his stuff. He even made Lucifcer from SMT IV decent. But I will always miss Kenako

>>174710323
I like Mephisto, but that fang is so stupid.

>>174699613
OST is actually pretty rad. battle theme gets you pumped

I've noticed that recently having the opinion that liking nocturne a lot gets you a lot of >implications thrown your way.

As a pretty big fanboy of the game, what are the games actual flaws? "It doesn't have this feature from the wizardry based games of old" isn't itself a flaw because the game was clearly trying to do it's own thing, instead of just being like those games but worse like the more recent handheld stuff has been.

>>174713058
Nocturne was my first SMT game and one of my favorites but

>no guns
>no characters
the second one I dont mind becuase it really adds to the atmosphere. But Perrsonababies hate that and it might put some people off

>>174713058
nothing can be worse than smt 1/2 bro

>Thor is the last boss in the Arena in P5

I feel as if this is a reference towards SMT 2. Thor was a arena boss in 2 right?

>>174713392
thor was the third round in the arena in nocturne at least, but that may have just been a reference to something else

>>174713291
Of all the things to complain about, no guns? That mechanic that's either useless or broken as fuck in every game in the series besides raidou?

>>174713058
Mad IVbabies that don't like the fact that Chiaki isn't a fujo with a bad haircut that follows you around.

>>174713291
don't forget the complete lack of sci-fi themes

>>174713058
Nocturne is basically an isekai power trip

>>174713618
Guns are cool as fuck famm. dont you wanna be a half naked demon-boy running around with pixie and shooting up half of toyko?

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Please help, Im going insane

>>174714324
its been a while but you gotta explore the other areas I think and kill some angels

>>174710563
Doi's Satan is pretty cool, it's just that Kaneko's is far superior.

>>174713618
Guns are broken and overpriced but this general would love to see the series fade away into stagnancy instead of wanting to see the series envolve. People seriously advocate for the return of re-rolling on /smtg/

>>174713991
I'd much rather just shoot a laser from my hand or eyes tbqhwu

>>174713963
isekai is a dirty word these days but there's nothing inherently wrong with it because the concept is so open ended.

I mean, the original SMT's plot is "a somewhat loserish teenager ends up surviving the apocolypse and permanatly altering the course of humanity by fighting gods and demons because he downloaded a magic computer program on a random BBS he frequents"

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>>174714607
Man I sure do like every single demon being the exact same because I put the best skills on them.
>muh affinity
negligible

>>174714702
They should make projectiles and laser vision deal Gun damage.
I still have no idea what the fuck Akasha Arts is supposed to be.

>>174714526
What other areas? How do I get to them? Ive explored all of the cathedral.

Theg game wont let me go back because tokyos flooded and the terminals not working

>>174714607
I actually am in favor of rerolling but only in the sense that you only reroll 1-2 times and then live with it. If you're that guy that actually sat there for 20+ minutes rerolling the perfect seed that gives you everything you want then you're bad at fusing because you don't need to do that shit to get uber skill sets

no reroll makes it way too easy to get those uber skills because instead of spending money/time planning out elaborate fusion chains to reduce white noise skills you just pick the stuff you want. There's nothing inherantly wrong with that but it certainly makes things easier

then again only nocturne really had the depth of fusion options to make getting super skillsets reasonable unless we count persona 5

>>174713058
> Low demon variety
> World exploration is lackluster
> Characters are badly written even though the game expected you to sympathize with at least one of them
> Reason system is poorly implemented and will punish you if you didn't thoroughly agree with the first choice you made
> Daisoujou is OP
> Dante doesn't learn Pierce

Other than that, I don't really see more "objective" flaws. The game is a dungeon crawler, so if someone jumps into it expecting a FF or Persona story, they picked the wrong game. There is nothing wrong with an RPG where the sore focus is beating foes and exploring dungeons; I think everyone craves for pure gameplay games from time to time, and Nocturne fits that criteria well enough.

But don't mind the implications. The praise or hate that any game gets on this site is cyclical as a result of nerds having nothing better to do, so they either overrate a game, or blindly hate on it; and the general perception of a game will cycle between these two as long as it is still brought up and discussed.

>>174714835
Use Heroine's Traesto to teleport to the world map.

Most sane people love Nocturne and hate SHITMEGAMITENSEI4: SHITPOCOLYPSE

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>>174714990
It takes me to an island that Im trapped on. Did I just fuck myself out of completing the game :(

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>>174714783
>valid counter argument
>negligible

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>>174715120
You should be able to explore Flooded Tokyo with the octopus you encounter in the cathedral. Did you even encounter him at all?

>>174714894
I think P5's thing with inheritance and amount of skill slots could work well.

>>174714810
For that matter, how the fuck does Merkabah use Riot Gun?

>>174715282
I rescued two of them, how do I use them?

>>174714925
>Low demon variety
I actually feel the exact opposite about nocturne, that it has MORE variety. It technically has way less demons than basically any other game in the series, but those games with more demons also have lots of demons that feel samey with eachother. Nocturne demons have unique features like evolutions, demon/species specific skills (as well as skills that can be passed freely but only a couple demons actually learn like dekaja/unda, conversation skills that have wildly different effects based on who uses it and even simple things like "I learn this ability or am the only thing with a resist that's handy for this upcoming area". This and the fact that every demon has a unique voice line/animation really makes lots of them stand out in my mind, whereas in other games I kinda just fuse whatever has the biggest numbers and fits my alignment without thinking about it.

>World exploration
Yeah this I'll give you, it's really just a way to connect dungeons and proc stone hunt outside of the like 4 side areas in the game.

>Characters are badly written
This I can't really agree with. Do you have a more specific example? As for having to sympathize with at least one of them that's not the case because there are both demon endings if you just think everyone is a stupid asshole and don't wanna listen to them.

>Reason system will punish you
What are you talking about?

>Daisoujou is OP
He's also something that has multiple steps to make that you can't really know about if you don't use a guide without just lucking into him and is a reward for beating a semi-hidden bonus boss

as for dante, he doesn't learn pierce but that's overblown as a weakness because of how amazing dante is at getting you to the point where you make a team ready to fight lucifer (the only enemy where him having pierce is actually a problem).

I wasn't really minding the implications, wanted to hear complaints about a game i've put literally 100's of hours into over the years

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>>174710312
SMT IV archangels are honestly great. The old ones look like grown up teletubbies.

>>174715559
Just walk into the water

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>>174714783
>He thinks everyone is a weak willed faggot like him who prefers end up with shit demons instead of re-rolling the perfect skill set

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>>174715559
Try to walk into the water. If it doesn't work then go to the Messian/Gaian camps and talk to everybody there.

>>174714324
I vaguely remember that there is a building outside of the cathedral that you can ride a turtle to that you have to complete, I think.

>>174714783
doubled cost and halved effect is negligible?

>>174714607
What was wrong with P5's implementation of guns?

Conceptually their introduction is great in the first dungeon - they draw from a separate consumable resource pool, so it lets you stretch your SP consumption through bullet use. It works well with the game's initial emphasis on resource management.

After that they get progressively less useful as you gain access to SP regen and the like, but that's a whole other problem.

>>174716246
unlocking the tower confident makes them usefull again. You can knock down enemies that have no weakness and it looks cool as hell.

Also bulletstorm is op

In DeSu 2 , can you max out your "social links" in the base game? I know its possible in the post game they added in but I mean in the Sept arc

>>174715739
re talking to everyone worked. apparently you have to talk to the octopus twice before hell help you

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>>174715064
>implying those are the only two games in the series
>sane people
>SMT fans

>>174717197
they're the only relevant ones.

>>174715563
The low demon variety comes as a flaw when fusing. There were many moments in the game where I had to let go of demons I recruited because I couldn't fuse anything else.

I have the opinion that the characters are badly written because they just jump to conclusions about the Demi Fiend and use him like a tool, maybe that was the atmosphere they wanted to go with, but there were few instances where I felt like I could agree with anyone without feeling like a tool; and the fact that the TDE is so popular implies that most players feel the same too. The Reasons themselves though, have some great proposals, although they are better enjoyed when you stop playing and stop to think about them or discuss them with the community, rather than what the game itself explains or showcases about them. But that is pretty much an SMT staple.

And finally: about the endings system, I mean that if you ever disagree with a reason, you will get locked out of it, so if you don't go TDE, it is very likely that you'll end up in the bad DE. The game never gives you the freedom to make up your mind as you play and experience the twists and events of the story, and that makes it a badly implemented system.


That pretty much sums up my complaints with Nocturne, a game which I also hold in high regard.

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>>174717465
Oh, so you're just trying to start shit. I should have known, disregard me then.

>>174717537
I felt TDE was most popular becuase it gives the most content. More so then JUST fighting an extra boss.

>Beast Cerberus is here
Oh shit

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I'm assuming SMT2 isn't a broken mess like SMT1. What's the spam Nerve Bullets and Zio skills in this one?

>>174717791
it's pretty much the same desu

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>>174717791
I hope you enjoy finding body parts/pillars. Fuck SMT II.

>>174717537
I always felt like the fact that everyone except hikawa blatantly uses you was because demifiend still feels attached to his friends and teacher and has a hard time saying no. Despite how little you're told about things pre conception and the fact that he's mostly a self insert, the closest thing to a consistent character trait he has is that he just wants things to be like they were before the hospital again, with multiple fiends calling him out on still being attached to life instead of getting way down with the devil and throwing all that stuff out.

I can totally see that being weird and annoying though since again he's basically a self insert and if you're #teamyosuga all the way having to go through a bunch of teleport temples in order to give isamu the power to obtain his reason can make you feel like a jackass

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>Get to a new city
>Top tier of items I can't even afford one piece of item.
EVERY FUCKING TIME!

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>>174718118
>I hope you enjoy finding body parts/pillars.

I do.

speaking of nocturne, how do I raise my defence?

>>174718753
Don't be retarded.

>>174718792
I don't mean rakukaja, I mean what stat if any reduces the damage of enemies. Vitality? Is it just level based?

There's clearly something because otherwise enemies would do the same damage the entire game

>>174719001
Check the manual.

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Playing DeSu Overclocked.

Which path is the most difficult and which one is easiest?

I can choose between Naoya, Amane, Kaido and Yuzu.

>>174719297
amane because you get to BTFO naoya in it and it's the only law route in the whole series that isn't blatantly written to be worse on purpose because of japanese nationalism

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>>174719404
Thanks.

Have some Navarre.

>>174719297
Yuzu's and Gin's have the hardest 7th Day, but Naoya's 8th Day is harder.

Easiest is probably Atsuro's.

Naoya's and Amane's are the best routes though.

>>174719001
Just use some logic.
A demon with 20 magic who casts Agi will always do more damage than a demon with 5 magic that casts the same skill.

For increasing your defense, Vitality is your way to go.

>>174719404
Oh the irony of this shitpost. They literally tell you how you will have a hard time to make non east asian nations to accept lawtism.

>>174713392
that was definitely a nocturne reference, there's another later on when you fight samael(shido) in the diet building

>>174720078
and yet in literally every single game in the series all the most japanese characters in the game are always hardcore chaosfags, starting with the original SMT

why do you think naoya dresses like he lives in the fucking taisho era or some shit complete with geta, desu is the only game that actually tries to make things fair by making the lawfag character ALSO dress super asian

>>174720078
I think that was just talking about other demons in general.

>>174720078
>They literally tell you how you will have a hard time to make non east asian nations to accept lawtism.
which doesn't make any sense given that there are large christian movements literally everywhere in the world and "angels are literally real and I have objective proof" is basically an instant win when it comes to converting people that are only culturally aware of it

>>174720114
I already beat the game and but thats a refrence? I remember you fight Samuel in the diet building in Nocturne but that doest make it a reference just because you fight two DIFFERENT bosses in the same place desu. Shame Sameual ist in the game

>>174719404
BTFO out of Naoya was 10/10. seeing his whole plan backfire was just the greatest. I loved his route though. DeSu 1/Overclock had the best routes imo

>>174720868
Not only ruining his entire plan, but being able to go "but I still forgive you big bro" and watching him just lose his shit was genuinely one of the best parts of any SMT game

>>174720737
The ending was talking about demons like Okuninushi who refused to give authority to Abel.

Am I the only one who loved the routes in SMT II? It's the one game in the series that was allowed to show Lucifer as a fallible being instead of some "just as keikaku" shithead and was also the first game to show that not all Law demons follow the Great Plan from above.

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>>174720868
could very well be a coincidence, but i choose to believe it's not

>>174722170
>lucifer as a fallible being
Him mistaking Aleph for Satan is the only thing I can think of where you could say he's fallible. Nocturne is really the only game where he's le ebig keikaku man, in 4, Final, SJ, Overclocked, If..., SMT1...fuck, most games he seems fairly reasonable and relatively down to earth.

>not all law demons follow great plan from above
I did like how even on Law you end up killing the big Law rep Himself but the reasons were kinda shitty imo. Satan in 2 was kind of a homo, not gonna lie.

>>174724501
Oh shit maybe you are right

The end parts of P5 is like a love letter to SMT
its odd after everything P4 was about and its spin offs

>>174724608
I liked that Lucy is a just dedicated falseflagger in IV.

>>174724805
Was the ending supposed to be a reference to something aside from the general "god BTFO" one?

>>174725008
fighting the 4 archangels like in SMT 1
Also Gabriel being the least aggressive one and wanting piece felt is a homage to SMT 2 and how she is the only angel you dont fight

Theme wise summening Not!Satan after the people reject Not!YHVH offer of him controling humans, is more then just god BTFO but LAWFAGS BTFO

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>>174702192

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpb7-HeASnU

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>enemy reflects my bufu
>freezes mc
>one more
>character is frozen can't attack or baton touch
Oh look it's soul hackers all over again

>>174706281
no mt2 no vote

>>174715224
Holy shit I want to have extreme anal sex with Isabeau until my pelvic bones cave in

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>>174706281
>42% chooses Persona as their favourite spin-off
When will the edgelord eliticism end?

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Hoy

Which route is canon in persona 1?
Does it even matter?

>tfw I miss non demon looking shadows
I know most of you will go muh SMT but I think is nice for the series being different instead of more of the same or else they might as well not even being a spin-off desu.

>>174729685
It's getting hoy, isn't it?

>>174730330
They look like shit, fuck them.

>there's a skill in strange journey that inflicts bomb called Bites the Dust

HURR.
Besides Bites the Dust doesn't inflict bomb it rests the day

>>174730920
They couldn't have really called it Killer Queen. Or Deadly Queen.

>>174730920
>Bites the Dust
Wait...

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>Talking video games with gf
>Mention how much I've enjoyed DeSu 1 and that I'll get the sequel soon
>10 minutes later get DeSu 2 for 3DS thrown in my lap by her brother
>"Piece of shit game never want to see it again. You can have it."
>mfw I walk into his room later to thank him and see a giant Persona 4 poster

>>174731071
>Killer Queen. Or Deadly Queen.
is...................................this..................

>>174732554
Did you ask him why? It does Slinks better then any persona game (other then 5)

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>Get to the Issachar fight
>Chose to mercy kill him
>Isabeau finishes him off before I can make the attack

Glory hogging bitch...

>>174732554
Based

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Di5RLEAuU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCKSr8V5QA
SMTDAN when?

>>174729772
If you mean main game vs snow queen, both are canon. Snow Queen ends suggesting the main story would continue afterwards, you just can't continue playing though.

>>174733226
He just said it was too difficult and that the lack of social sim made the game not worth it for him.

>>174733918
Kaneko will be a DLC character.

>>174733918
>Club Milton
more like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGORm3P0F1w

>playing SMT1 on my phone

I'm about to drop this game because of how shitty the demon negotiating is. I know it's old as shit but god damn this is awful.

>>174734808
get some int, there's only a handful on conversation paths

Hows SMTIV on the Citra emulator? Considering going the poorfag route seeing as I've never played it.

>>174734042
I haven't started SQQ yet, i'm still burnt out on P1 from 2 months ago after finishing SEBEC.

>>174734927
I've been dumping everything into strength and stamina

>>174734938
Just hack your 3DS if you aren't on the current version.

>>174734148
fucking personafags man

Well atleast you got a great game for free anon. The first game had better writting imo

>>174735319
That's the thing, I ain't got no 3DS

>>174735409
I'd say consider getting a pre-owned one, they're not expensive.

3ds emulation is balls.

>>174735887
Alright, I'll take your word for it. Might get some of the EO games while I'm at it too.

>>174735887
>>174735409
Get a preowned 2DS those are even cheaper

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>>174736402
Yeah, just make sure the person you're buying from hasn't updated to the most recent version (most likely not, considering that version came out less than a month ago).
Get yourself a decent SD card too.
>>174736426
I forgot those even existed lol

>>174716753
no the best you can do is 5 everyone and 4 anguished one

The only smt games I've played are IV and overclocked. Should I play DDS or nocturne next?

>>174737886
Does not matter. I'd pick Nocturne, though DDS would offer a fresher experience.

>>174720868
>DeSu 1/Overclock had the best routes imo
because DeSu 2 routes are literally the same until the very last days in which you do pretty much the same exact thing just with different starting party members and different epilogues
same thing for the 2nd arc
same exact shit until the last day where you choose one of the routes then do the same boss battle

>>174737852
Well I already did AO route my first time through so thats ok. How many routes where there again? AO, Ronaldo/Commie and Yamato/WORLD OF STR right?

>>174738072
I meant best routes in any SMT games. LAW ist complete shit and CHAOS ist kill the weak etc.

>>174737886
There both good but DDS is more akin to Final fantasy since no demon negotions or fusing. Great game though

So I just watched the battle against Not!YHVH in P5 and that might as well have been the Bonds ending from Apocalypse.

>>174738082
there's 3 daichi endings
neutral chaos where you kill polaris
neutral where you ask her to reset the world
and true ending where you get everyone except AO to 5 and then ask her to reset the world
but the true ending is basically the regular neutral ending except with a special cut scene at the end
You can't get the ending leading into triangle arc since it's a mix of true daichi and AO route

>>174738082
Also how the fuck did you beat Shiva in AO route on NG without phys repel?
did you grind free battles or something

>>174738459
Alright sweet. thanks anon

>>174738321
Nah, you dont need your friends to kill Not!YHVH in P5, you got Not!Satan with the power of humanity so its far more cool.

>>174738581
Nah I never grind in Srpgs. And its been year anon but I remember dieing like twice. I think I had purple mirror with ref phys so it was immune to everything. But that might have been in the Tri-Arc. Its been a while

>>174738798
Yeah iirc you cannot get phys repel cracked that early
so it must've been the mirror you put on your left side to make shiva kill himself off it before his multi-strike with pierce hit you

>>174738459
What does AO ending do exactly? I remember it being a new world but to what end?

>>174740061
I don't remember what the world turns out to be, I think it's just reset. AO ending's main point is making AO the new admin.

>>174740061
beach end

>>174740061
AO ending creates an entirely new world (no tech or anything). The benefit is suppose to be that there is no administrator.

I got Nemissa to 40 MAG and she still does only ~580 damage to demons with Megidola. Is this normal? I thought she was going to be stronger than Naomi at this point.

>>174740876
shoud've gone cheerful brah

>>174740587
what in the sept arc?
because you're thinking of the yamato arc for triangles
AO's triangle arc is appointing MC as the new admin

Is it worth it putting some points on INT in SMT1 to make demon negotiation easier?

>>174740876
Zionga is stronger.
The only stronger skill is her last offensive spell.

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>PS2 golden age will never come again Atlus would never waste money risking themselves after going broke when they can just make Persona spin offs which are guaranteed to sell.

>>174742062
P4A2 and DAN sold like shit though.

But yeah, buckle up because there are like 6 confirmed P5 spin-offs on the way.

>>174742062
>a fighting game
>a rhythm game
P4 spinoffs are the most innovative additions to the franchise since Devil Survivor

>>174741438
What Yamato wants in Trian is just a better version of what AO wanted in Sept.

Sept AO - Make a new world seperate from the admin system, but humanity has to start over from the beginning of history (originally AO became the new admin or one with the world or whatever, but this got retconned in Trian)

Trian Yamato - Make a new world seperate from the admin system, but retain all of humanities progress

>>174742313
>but retain all of humanities progress
that wasn't guaranteed, they took a chance and it happened to work out

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You guys ready for Round 2 of this when SMT HD comes out in a post Persona 5 world?

>>174743802
Sure, it'll be fun.

>>174742062
I unironically want a new rhythm game though

>>174742223
Is that so? Got a source?

>>174744484
http://za.ign.com/shin-megami-tensei-persona-5/106166/news/persona-5-spinoffs-hinted-at-by-new-atlus-website-registrati

>>174743802
Some of those quotes aren't wrong.

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>get SMT IV two years ago in a sale
>never played a SMT game before
>a lot of elements confuse me
>enjoy myself but lose interest
>pick it up every few months and make some progress before forgetting about it again
>Persona 5 comes out
>pick it up
>oh that was really fun but the social/daily life stuff was a drag
>maybe i'll appreciate SMT IV now
>this shitty fucking overworld
>hard to tell where i'm supposed to be able to walk and where i'm not
>map is largely useless and there's no way to look at it in a pause screen where you aren't vulnerable to ambush
>enemies respawn infinitely while i'm in a room/the overworld, i can't slaughter them all and then take my time in an area

am i off base with these complaints? I like the combat/demon fusing stuff but traversing the world is very frustrating, especially tokyo which is starting to get very big and confusing and cumbersome to cross. i didn't really have much issue with Minotaur or Medusa which is what i typically see people complain about when it comes to this game

>>174745574
Tokyo being confusing as fuck is a common complaint. Feel free to check a guide for it.

>>174701315
>Ryuji says he'll come and hang whenever he can so he honestly can't be that far

people always say shit like that when you move. "oh don't worry, we'll keep in touch. it'll be like nothing's really changed". it's just what you say so you don't get depressed

>>174744804
In what world does "hinted at" equal "100% confirmed to definitely be happening in a cinema near you this summer"?

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>>174744804

>>174744804
Nintendo registered pokemon z.

Where is it at?

>>174745574
I treated the map of SMT IV like if it was the fictional location of any other RPG and I managed myself decently bar a few exceptions like the Osiris quest., just talk to every NPC you can find. But like the anon said, check a guide if you are too confused.

If it helps IV:A implemented markers displaying the name of the locations and telling you where to go, although there is way less exploration to do in that game.

>>174745574
play more games based in tokyo and you'll get a read on it

>>174746305

>the osiris quest

you mean the one with the coffin where you have to run away from the dragon in naruku? what level am i supposed to be when i do that? the dragon is 45 and i'm like 22. i know i'm supposed to avoid him but on the third floor of naruku he blocks the door next to the poison area, so i go into the poison area, but then he blocks the end of the poison area too, so a confrontation is unavoidable. if he catches me, my flee success rate starts at 6%. am i just supposed to hope i get lucky and flee before he breaks the coffin?

>>174745574
You honestly just get used to it after a while. If infinite demons are annoying, just use Estoma.

4's overworld and vagueness when it comes to quests and places to move the story forward were one of my favorite parts of it, honestly, felt very old school in that you have to talk to everybody to find out how to advance stuff.

In any case, Final fixed every problem with 4's map, including a mapper app that freezes time while you look at the map, easy ways to get from district to district, teleporting you outside the terminal when you warp to it, wider roads that allow you to dodge enemies, etc. So if or when you get to that you'll probably like it much better.

>>174746819
Nah, the Osiris quest (although I might be getting the name wrong) is in the endgame where you must retrieve his body parts to revive him.

As for your question, I beat him in normal before discovering Tokyo or fighting Minotaur, so I wasn't really overleveled. But he is a tough fucker, so you need to have a very good party to beat him.

>>174746819
It just requires being quick. I went to the door away from the poison lake and let him chase me for a bit and then ran around him, his A.I. isn't that smart.

You can actually kill him at that point. It's kinda tough, but he's weak to Ice, so having Jack Frost, Bai Suzhen, any demons that can bumrush him with Bufula can fuck him up. He doesn't do that much damage, just some physicals and Panic Voice.

But yeah like >>174747201 said you do have to officially kill him later for a sidequest in the neutral ending.

>>174745968
(In IMAX HD 3D)

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>Beat SMT1
>Start SMT2
>Sudden urge to replay all the endings in IV
>Want to beat Anarchy in Apoc
>Started playing Desu2
>Want to fight Demi in DDS
How do I control my hunger?

Killing Seth in the Naruku quest only makes him respaw its useless

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Best girl

>>174741884

Zionga: 44 Single Target
Mazionga: 38 Center Spread
Megido: 60 Single Target
Megidola: 75 Row
Overlord: 42 per hit Front Row

What does Overlord matter when almost every demon reflects Strike this late in the game?

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>>174732636
>>174731163

>>174748447
>Imagine is dead
Holy shit, we had a fucking SMT MMO that was available in English. Thinking back that's pretty crazy.

>>174750364
i wonder if there are any private servers?

>>174750726
Apparently there's a Chinese one based on an earlier client and they're working on an English one.

>>174750726
In the works.
I don't have much faith though after lurking their discord.

>>174750848
>>174750841
wonder if the gae files are leaked anywhere?
i might be able to get my hands on a couple severs. its just the ip address that will cost me.
its do-able if i can get all the game file i suppose?
my internet is good but the ping will be huge since im from australia though

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>>174751093
Heres a link to the english private server discord,
you might want to ask around there

>>174753647
https://discord.gg/RXBXySZ
whoopsies

SMT x Kuroinu

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>>174753886
Was he a chaosfag?

Any new news on DSP or SMT x Switch

Been playing Reveltions the demon slayer/Last bible

Its fun, bit basic and to slow for me and the OST is kinda trash but playing on the emuleter allows me to make the game alot faster. But no kenako demons is super fucking lame

Solid C

Redpillme on MegaTen please.

I really want to get into MegaTen but so far I've just tried Persona 3 and actually hated it (but I respect it, I see why others love it)

Can I still get into other MegaTen games tho?
I hated the school life part. If I wanted to study, I'd do it IRL.
I feel overwhelmed with a lot of stuff to care and also I don't think I'm playing the game right (I'm summoning personas at random and hoping they look strong but I don't know if I should grind for specific fusions or something), overall I don't feel like I'm enjoying the game.

>>174755872
Other then nu-Persona there is no social aspect to it just killing demons and your friends

>>174755872
If you hate the school life part play anything except Persona 3-5.

You don't really need to grind for specific fusions or anything. Just fuse, you'll get the hang of what kind of skills you want while playing. If you're willing to try a game with demon fusion but no school life, then try SMTIV or Nocturne. If you want to try Megaten without fusion, there's Digital Devil Saga.

>>174756959
Since I have a hacked 3ds and a PSP I was thinking about trying SMTIV, Soul Hackers and the Raidou Kuzonoha games for PS2.

I thought people hated SMTIV tho.
I was actually scared for not liking Persona 3 since those are the games I see people talk about the most.

I'll also try Digital Devil, thanks!

>>174757369
People like P3 for its Social aspect and its story/writing, the later I admit is good but the "social aspect" doest thrill me to much espacially when I first started playing, most of the Slinks I did where fucking boring or shit.

People "hate" SMTIV here for dumb reasons. And I dont think they actually hate it more they dislike it compared to the rest of SMT.

Its "easy" but that may be because its their 5th SMT game. After a few they all become easy unless they have something else to them Sj has its dungeons for example.

Check the Started guide in the OP

>>174757369
>I was actually scared for not liking Persona 3 since those are the games I see people talk about the most.
That's because they're actually into the school life and socialization aspect.
>I thought people hated SMTIV tho.
It has some problems, but I think the reception is generally pretty positive. Since your device is hacked anyway I wouldn't worry about it too much. I'll warn you ahead of time that the first dungeon is probably the most bullshit of the game, and if you're feeling overwhelmed things will change after pushing through that.

And yeah, like >>174757719 said there's a starter guide image in the OP that will go over this kind of stuff. All it's missing is Persona 5 (which is a lot like 3), and SMTIV Apocalypse (sequel to SMTIV).

>>174757884
To be fair, While I hated P3 (cept for the story and writing) and despised P4, I thought P5 was pretty fun. Negotiating with "demons" and the dungeons NOT being 100% ass helped it alot. Also like 80% of the Slinks not being highschoolers also helped it. Never thought I would be caught up in a Yakuza drama in a persona game.

>>174757719
>>174757884
Yeah, I was reading it while writing, it's a good thing 90% of the games aren't connected.

>>174757719
I don't hate SMTIV except for its stupid fucking ugly gay archangels. SMTIV:F can fuck off though.

>>174758483
Yea so glad that P5 Did not have em. What the fuck where they thinking.

SMTIV:A combat is a bit better but it was having a identity crisis with SMT IV and P4.

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>>174758483
apoc is hilarious

>>174758483
Everytime I hear people bitch about the new archangel designs my anal sphincter constricts just that much more.

The old archangel designs were fucking trash, newfriends. The new designs may not be great but at least they're something and actually memorable. Fuck LGBT colored gay porn stars in fake angel wings and 80s haircuts, I'll take metal trees over that in a heartbeat.

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>Fighting Mot
>4 beast eyes before he resorts to Megido spam
At least I figured out his zio weakness so I can lightning spam his ass into next century.

>>174758658
WHERE THE FUCK IS DANU'S NOSE
Why does she have a line down her face? She doesn't quite have a mask but it isn't really a face. Just add a nose Doi, it'd be fine.

>>174758658
Go back to your room, Dagda

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>>174759209
Nope!

>>174759224
She a strong independent demon
She ain't need no nose.

Fuck off, you privileged nose-having scum.

>>174759224
I have no idea why people ever lose to Mot more than once. He doesn't start up the autism train if you keep debuffing him, which you should be doing for every boss in that game. Only way you could really lose is if you just didn't find out his weakness in time.

>>174759372
Are you joking? Dagda's a strong independent demon who don't even need no skin. Danu's all about them bonds. You can't bond by yourself.

>>174759339
>an artist, who has to make a living and produce pleasing or beautiful artwork in his lifetime to get people to pay attention to him, depicts beings that are described in the Bible as incomprehensible, otherworldly, extradimensional as fat humans
No yourself buddy. Da Vinci was a cuck, and so was Kaneko when he designed those pieces of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhkXBp4loSY

The only good thing to come from the PSP version of Persona 1.

>>174759964
>incomprehensible, otherworldly, extradimensional
>art student's first metal working project is extradimensional and incomprehensible
Whatshisname could've at least shoehorned in some imagery there. Put a lily in there so Gabby can serve as a holy flowerpot or something. Take all the things you'd expect from a traditional depiction, then put them on a the terrifying inorganic body. Going for the 'angels are some shit bro' angle is one thing but a good design is creative within the constraints of what's widely accepted about the demon.

I think preferring bad but memorable to serviceable yet bland is perfectly acceptable by the way. In this instance I just prefer 'serviceable yet bland'.

>people taking the bait

>>174760054
School days is cool too.

But Bloody Destiny is hype as hell.

>>174760054
>tfw no hd persona 1 personas

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Is it just me or are the battles just painfully slow?

>>174760375
>art student's first metal working project
Well yes, I didn't say they were great designs. But they're closer to what angels are supposed to look like.

>put some imagery
The old designs did not do this. In fact, the newer designs probably did a better job - Gabriel's head is shaped like a lily, Michael has his snake, Raphael appears the most humanlike out of all of them. Is it a stretch? Yes. But there was some effort made.

>a good design is creative within the constraints of what's widely accepted about the demon.
Hahaha fucking bullshit. A design is good if it's memorable and is a clever or faithful adaptation of its source. Mara is a great example of why you're wrong.

>serviceable but bland
See, I would just call the Kaneko angels bad and bland. But to each their own, I suppose.

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HOW

>>174761135
The UI of ISP it's complete shit that's why they ditched for one that resembled the original on EPP

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>>174760770
>No HD Artemis or Apollo
>No Ogun
>No Nike
>No Yamaoka
>No Amen Ra

>>174761279
>Angels being revealed in SMTIV
>Feathers falling from the sky
>then you see dumbshit archangels without any wings at all

Never had I dropped a game for so long in autistic rage.

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>>174701146
>>174686243
I have the dated English version

Is buying all four Mitama and then fusing them into demons for the Extra Dungeon now (before even completing Corridor of Time) too overkill?

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>This cutie will never have a hd model because of 80's loving bastards

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>>174695328
>I'm having a hard time accepting they haven't reused this design. It's literally the coolest demon in the franchise
*ahem

>>174761751
Thats a good design, but ugly metal tree branches are not, we've talked about motorcycle gabriel before.

>>174761326
Air Force here
You basically just make loud noises and break a lot. I do it drunk all the time

>>174686243
>>174761705
P5 protag had to put in work for his happy ending desu

Should be you reap what you sow

>>174761836
Yeah, that's pretty solid too.

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Does anyone have a transparent smirk or icon from SMTIV/Apocalypse that I can use to put on images?

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Do I really have to choose between my friends and Dagda

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>>174764554

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>>174765367
Thank you very much.

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Leaves in falling manly

>>174694891
humility was never his strongest personality trait

>>174767228
hate-cray fools just don't slope

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>>174765051
You wouldn't let daddy Dagda down, would you?

>>174767487
Fuck that manipulating Irish motherfucker. I wish I could have killed him with my own hands in the Massacre ending.

Which persona 2 IS OST is better? Original or the PSP version?

>>174767228
Truly the greatest engrish ost.

Anyone got the full OST for SMT Imagine?