/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em Up General

>>174626153
>That's because most people aren't enthusiasts about anything at all
that's rich coming from a guy who plays his favorite shmup only for few hours a week. when it comes to games, only achieving something can be a reflection of your enthusiasm, buying collector's edition and other crap means you love crap, not the game.

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>>174665603
That image is a bit creepy.

>that OP
don't

>>174666759
if you don't own the game you have literally never played. you can download mame and play an emulation of it, but that's all you'll ever experience, an emulation. if you liked the game so much you would buy it and experience the way it was meant to be played.

>>174667938>>174668697
it's a gift from top scorer of shmupg to keep the normies away
>>174668809
>the way it was meant to be played.
with a shit score, lol?

>>174668881
More like top autist of shmupg to draw in the human garbage

>>174669119
you are here so i guess it's working.

>>174669426
I'm very loyal to shmupg

Wow the second boss of battle traverse is a big difficulty spike on very hard

>>174678640
it's a big difficulty spike even on hard and normal. bosses in butttraverse seem to be the hardest part.

>>174678640
I feel like the third boss is worse. Even the fourth and fifth feel easier.
How do you unlock the hardest difficulty, anyway?

>>174678726
The wavy pattern in his second phase gets me every time

>>174678789
you mean extreme or whatever it's called? you have to beat very hard afaik. also there is even harder mode after extreme called simple, but it's so hard it's more of a joke.

is DU3 any good

>>174678640
>Wow the second boss of battle traverse is a big difficulty spike on very hard
he's an absolute bitch, you can safe spot the first attack and noth to south tap the 2nd then i tend to spend bombs on him.

>>174678789
>I feel like the third boss is worse.
Theres more of a system to it which is easier when you get it, try some stuff in practice mode.

>>174678789
>How do you unlock the hardest difficulty, anyway?
just credit feed through vhard.

>>174678726
>bosses in butttraverse seem to be the hardest part.
absolutely, the last stage is brutal however.

>>174678789
>>174678925
I wouldn't even call extreme harder desu or at least not much just different, it's almost like the dev was mocking cave with it with the ott faux slowdown. the tlb in hard 2-all is miles harder than extreme mode tlb btw theres one clear online.

>>174681263
No. Only decent doujins dev is Astro Port. Everything else is kusoge.

heres the 2-all for battle traverse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBdLUP8bZps

The tlb is pretty ridiculous.

>>174685698
stop forcing this caveshit meme

>>174686336
fuck off pedo cunt, this is shmup chat.

>file deleted
ok which one of you normals reported it?

>>174689483
likely no one, more likely some1 saw it in catalog.

>>174685698
>tlb is a resource check
hate this meme

>>174690013
i do to and i hate looping games, thats why i say very hard is the king mode.

>>174690056
agreed, 2 all in this game is for masochists

>>174690286
not even that its just unbalanced, vh has a consistent balance throughout where as hard has an easy first loop snooze before rectum annihilation at the end.,

>>174690416
>easy first loop snooze before rectum annihilation at the end
that's like every 2 loop game ever, which is a real pity.

>>174690864
yep i think one of the best things cave ever did in later games was just develop 3 1 loop modes instead of the endurance 2 loop bs.

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>>174686913
>cavedrone
>calling anyone a pedo cunt
topkek

>>174691474
>cee
>cavedrone
there are less than 4 cave games ive ever put any effort into. Honestly and i know this will get obv as fuck yous but if milestone had their games on steam id never play anything else.

oh my god, dfk leaderboards totally fucked up

After playing Kamui and Alltynex 2nd again, I must say Saiter Skain is actually pretty kusoge.

Even Ether Vapor is better than this.

>>174693883
are you that novice guy? play cave, raizing etc. you'll realise that all these are poojin kusoge. jk

holy shit the fucking stage 2 boss in crimzon clover is literally an incarnate of rng bullshit. I mean seriously most of its attacks are nothing but rng and it just gets worse and worse every second during that fight no matter if you destroy most parts of its legs on sides or not because it always manages to find some way to fuck you over with the neverending rng bullshit including but not limited to randomly making that aimed punch either way too much to left or right from where it was supposed to be aimed

but if thats not bullshit enough then theres its last pattern which is literally undodgeable if you havent got its health low enough and havent managed to time your breaks so that the bullet cancel wipes most of its shit so you can destroy it before the rng bullshit overcomes you. the oversized sprite and overly fast movement with any ship makes it so fucking bullshit it cannot be defended in any way because its literally nothing but rng. "should i make the last pattern challenging but fair? fuck no fuck everything" t. dev

>>174695501
good to have you back rnganon

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>>174695574
I just have been playing a lot of ketsui lately and my motivation to play crimzon clover has been low

however I come to these threads daily but I just dont have anything remarkable to post other than the blogposting about rng bullshit obviously

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>>174666759
Interesting way to look at it, but I'm not a fan of armchair psychology. I do love my games and music, and I love having them physical. That's it.

I'm just burnt out on DBCS. I love it, but it drains my soul because I'm just beating the same bosses for the 1000th time now. I spent too much time on AC mode before going into CS mode which is extremely tedious at times. Not sure if I'll ever recover, I am brute-forcing a few sessions every week though!

Besides, my favourite shmup is actually G.Darius!

How do you know how much I play my shmups anyway?!

>>174684430
SITER SKAIN is great you faggot!!!!!

>>174695790
Going for a 2 all?

>>174695810
>I'm just beating the same bosses for the 1000th time now
it's what we all do here
give up or get your shit together, becouse few sessions a week won't get you anywhere.
>How do you know how much I play my shmups anyway?!
becouse you are an attentionwhore duh. someone posted a pic of your steam page where you played barely anything but cs:go.

>>174695860
see here
>>174693883

>>174695967
yes I got 1all ages ago but I keep making stupid mistakes on stage 3 boss and stage 5 in general which prevent me from getting to omote. For the past 2 weeks only thing I have been improving is stage 4

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>>174696075
I get distracted by other games sometimes, whether it's because my mates want to play them or otherwise.
But it doesn't mean I'm not enthusiastic about shmups. I don't need to give up or get my shit together, I'll just keep playing at my own pace till I make it.

Also how am I an attention-whore if someone else posts a pic of my Steam page? That doesn't really follow. Besides, it was Cee, and it was funny.

>>174696341
>>174693883
You are wrong!

>>174696601
>Besides, it was Cee,
was it fuck mate, i've only ever posted krauts and that was back in vr days i think.

>CCWI

Any tips for getting good at Type-II? The shot type has always fascinated me and I was implementing something like it in my own project (doesn't feel anything like the one in CCWI though and that is probably to my discredit). I think I know that I want to line up the options vertically for easier point blanking (especially on bosses) but for the stages proper do I want to spread them as far as possible before locking their positions for maximum coverage or do I want to cluster them up a bit and keep an 'option entourage' moving around with me for more concentrated firepower?

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>>174696848
Well it had to have been you. It read like you anyway. And nobody else on here has my Steam I think.

Hang on. Have we been arguing about this passion shit now? But we already argued about it yesterday! Kek.
Or maybe not? Not sure who's who in these threads desu, mate...

>>174697037
Generally you'll want to spread your options when in Break Mode and Double Break, but outside that you have to route how you'll manage your options. They just won't be where you need them to be without memorizing it ahead of time.

>>174696347
Stage 3 boss, stage 5 midboss and helicopters giving you shit I'm guessing? Been having the same issue, getting pretty sick of it. Maybe loops just aren't for me.

>>174696601
>I'll just keep playing at my own pace till I make it.
maybe if it's an easy game you'll make it, otherwise with such a slow pace it would take years if not decades. but whatever.
>Also how am I an attention-whore if someone else posts a pic of my Steam page?
so avatars don't count now?

>>174696591
can't really complain about speed while playing type 3,

>>174697507
I will make it! And sometimes I play a lot, just not right now.

I also don't avatarfag. I just post some Ti2 pics every now and then when it's appropriate to my post because she's cute! I mostly post normally though.

>>174697434
its not the midboss but the section after it during which those somewhat aimed big blue bullet shooting things appear and recently the descent too because after killing 2 of those red ships the 2 that appear at same time always kill me or the big ship after them because i cant be arsed to use bombs ever

>>174697139
I can fucking assure you it wasn't, everyone knows my steam however and would easily find anyone through it.

>>174697139
>Hang on. Have we been arguing about this passion shit now?
some of that was me aye, your argument was and is still nonsense but whatever. You on windjammers this evening?

>>174698129
Huh. Well that's a bit confusing, but it doesn't matter anyway!

As for my argument, the way I said it definitely didn't make much sense, but it's a bit hard to put into words. It's an extremely subjective thing.

I'm definitely not arrogant enough to say I'm a bigger fan of something than someone else just because I have a physical version of it. That's just a personal preference.
But if said person was just not willing to pay for it in any fashion at all, whether digital or physical, in spite of how much enjoyment they already got out of it (like if they played Ketsui for 300 hours on MAME and it was released on Steam), then yeah I would think of them as a bit of a cunt desu. Because rewarding good work is imo an important part of showing passion for a thing.

Also yes, I'll be on Windjammers!

>>174697215
Thank you for the advice, anon. Looks like it is time to study up (I really want to get good at Type-II so the time investment will be worth it)

>>174698851
>whether digital or physical, in spite of how much enjoyment they already got out of it (like if they played Ketsui for 300 hours on MAME and it was released on Steam), then yeah I would think of them as a bit of a cunt desu. Because rewarding good work is imo an important part of showing passion for a thing.

>a pro footballer is only good if they bought the ball

Are you gonna tell pazzy that he's a cunt and has no passion because he put 2 years into ketsui on mame to get a 500mill 2-all? Passion is by definition time investment something you keep confusing with a personal moral view on how markets work and what you believe to be the obligation of consumers.

>>174698851
>paying 30 bucks for a shitty cave port of a decade old game
If Garegga would get a steam release, I certainly wouldn't buy it to support anyone. I don't buy games to support people. I buy them because I like the game.

The only reasons to buy games which already have been emulated are if they have leaderboards or if you dislike playing emulated games.

Not everyone has that much money to just throw 30 bucks out of the window.

>>174691858
what happen?

>>174699502
>Passion is by definition time investment
Bullshit. You can invest years into something and still have no passion for it. Look at all those people who hate their job, yet they still invest time into it. Doesn't mean they have passion for it.

Passion has nothing to do with time, dipshit. It has to do with emotion investment, not time investment.

>>174700056
It's obvious what he meant kraut, not everything needs to be an argument.

>>174700174
It's obviously bullshit what he said. Cee loves to argue. I just gave him what he wants.

>>174681263
Yeah

>>174696591
CCWI DOESN'T HAVE MICRODODGING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>174703030
>enter double break right at the start of the hardest pattern
>wonder why you hit a wall
Has nothing to do with micrododging, asshole. Was just shitty routing.

best track i've heard in a while, is the game good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4WVH4_MBLU&list=PLfCXYXqWjWirympmpEQXj0kycfCPwT4vQ&index=4

>>174703730
>is the game good?
Rayforce is not bad. Afterburner II is better though.

i've just learned that a guy from videogame music podcast who sucks ass at shmups(and games in general) has a speedrun WR in some gameboy shit.

>>174699502
But that's a bit of a false equivalence, isn't it?
A pro footballer plays football every day, as it is his profession, which he hopefully enjoys. (I don't imagine many people become pro footballers without loving the fuck out of that sport.)
Footballs are provided for pro footballers to perform. The football itself is not the singular object of a footballers passion, it's the sport as a whole.

For a shmup player, shmups are his hobby, he wouldn't put as many hours into it if he didn't love it. But he's not in any way obligated to play them as part of any profession.

A football is also not easily comparable to a product with lots of development time and money put into it like a videogame. Footballs can certainly be premium I bet, but it's not exactly the same. Also, to be able to play football oin their free time, any person will have to buy one.

I also don't agree that passion is at all defined by time investment. I agree more with Wikipedia's definition:

>Passion (from the Greek verb πασχω meaning to suffer) is a very strong feeling about a person or thing. Passion is an intense emotion, a compelling enthusiasm or desire for something.


Customers aren't obligated to do anything, it's the market's job to entice them to buy shit and if they don't, they've simply failed.
At the end of the day though if you get to enjoy something (a service, or a product like a videogame), they should get the money for providing it imo.

>>174699619
If the game is great, it would be worth it though, at least for me. Of course it's only natural to act in your own interest and wait for a sale or something if it's too expensive. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you buy it eventually. Every little bit counts.
I buy games because I like them and because I want to give back. It's a basic exchange, you're just buying a product, but in an industry where you have the choice to buy or not to buy, it gains a lot more meaning, I think.

>>174704382
Fuck off moralfag. You are just annoying with your constant preachments.

i hate perikles

>>174704748
Not really moralfagging or preaching, just putting into perspective why it makes sense and might be in your interest to buy the shit that you like unless you want to see your favourite things pathetically die off or barely cling to life like shmups.

But if you go through life only consuming and not thinking past your own ego then nothing can be done about it.

>>174696591
if you stay you wouldn't get hit by the purple bullets, but most people will move like that, scrubs mistake

>>174705106
>if you do not act like say, you are a cunt
>Not really moralfagging
You are a total moralfag and a hypocrite too.

>unless you want to see your favourite things pathetically die off
As if a single person could change this in any way. I could buy every single shmup on steam twice. Doesn't change that the genre is still dead.

You are just too dumb and naive.

playing ccwi on gamepad very uncomfortable, i better play on keyboard

>>174705106
your purchase will never, ever make a difference though. no matter what you do there is no way to save a dev if there is no interest for his game(which usually has nothing to do with piracy). i buy steam games just to track my time spend in game and for leaderboards, and to a lesser extent achievements.

>>174705393
it's easy and fun to spam lock on keyboard. my gamepad broke a couple of days ago and now i don't regret switching to keyboard, though moving with your right hand is retarded so i use wasd.

>>174703484
>>174703030
are you retarded? look at boss hp, is literally zero and boss did not died by full lock on shot

>>174705364
>>174705505
>As if a single person could change this in any way.
>nobody else buys it, so why should I? It's ded anyway. lol
It's not about whether a single person can change it or not, they never can. It's still not an argument against buying your shit, it's just an excuse to save money. Which is fair enough but at least be honest about it.

>>174705734
i actually buy shmups and the guy you are arguing with probably too. we are not looking for excuses, your preaching is just annoying. it's like saying that you HAVE to vote even though your vote won't change shit, i will never fucking vote becouse it's a waste of time, not becouse i look for excuses to stay home.

>>174705342
yeah you gotta micrododge here, it's the right strat

>>174705982
>i actually buy shmups and the guy you are arguing with probably too. we are not looking for excuses, your preaching is just annoying
I know that. Also it's not preaching, it's a discussion.

>>174705982
>it's like saying that you HAVE to vote even though your vote won't change shit, i will never fucking vote becouse it's a waste of time, not becouse i look for excuses to stay home.
You absolutely don't have to, but it makes sense to if you have any interest in politics. I don't vote either because I mostly don't care. When an issue comes up that I do care about though, then yes I will vote.
You can never expect any change in the direction you'd like though if you don't vote, that much is for certain.
Last year has taught that to a lot of people I imagine. lmao

>>174705704
Still doesn't have anything to do with microdging, asshole.
If you use Type III you just need very good time-killing skills, because the options have so little power.
If you can't handle them, then don't try to time kill.

>>174705734
>nobody else buys it, so why should I? It's ded anyway. lol
Putting words in my mouth huh? Oh we sure loving that!
I never said anything like that, asshole.

>it's just an excuse to save money. Which is fair enough but at least be honest about it.
Can you even read? Money was the exact reason I named in my first reply LOL

I do not have 30 bucks to throw out of the window.

>>174706409
>Putting words in my mouth huh? Oh we sure loving that!
Loving it as much as you were with my post, faggot.

>I do not have 30 bucks to throw out of the window.
Great! Wait for a sale then, as I said. It's all good, mate!

>>174706395
>You can never expect any change in the direction you'd like though if you don't vote, that much is for certain.
here you go again, you can never except any change regardless of what you are doing, that much is certain(as long as you are not celebrity). as if me going and voting for hillary would make hilldawgs go and vote and we'd dump drumpf, naive bullshit.

how can you be passionate about games you've never played? emulating them only counts as playing an emulation, not the actul game. LMAO

>>174706760
>hurr

>>174706662
>Loving it as much as you were with my post, faggot.
Point me out where I put words in your mouth, you fucking retard. I didn't do anything like this.

>Great! Wait for a sale then, as I said. It's all good, mate!
I don't have to do shit. Stop trying to tell me what I have to do. It's non of your fucking business. Retard.

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>>174700056
ok then i should of specifically clarified, passion manifests itself in the result of time investment chosen by ones own volition where as a jobs time investment is one out of necessity.

>>174700318
>I just gave him what he wants.
moar dire kbr drawings plox

Anyways don't waste a saturday on pedantic arguments lads now is the time for play, just died in last stage of butt traverse with the 1up floating across the screen pretty gay.

>>174705106
>Not really moralfagging or preaching
christ no offence mate but what kind of cognitive dissonance do you suffer from to even dare to deny this accusation? how about the fact that my fav games have already been made and i intend to play them for years to come? the industry suffers in this circumstance to but thats neither my problem nor my obligation. Can i reccomend a semi related fantastic docu to watch? Adam curtis - century of the self.

>>174706395
>You can never expect any change in the direction you'd like though if you don't vote, that much is for certain.
absolute nonsense from someone who has no political knowledge, if no one votes the winner has no mandate and the country is plunged into constitutional crisis. If you walk into a shop and don't like what you see you buy nothing so why on election day would you vote for anyone when theres nothing you like on offer? Brexit btw had one of the biggest turnouts in our countries history, I hope to see the same in the G.E and labour sent to the grave.

>cee complains about cave all the time then starts playing meme traverse, another half assed wannabe cave game with its only sticking point being grafix
lmao, kraut junior

>>174706703
True, but you can contribute to the change that you'd like to see. Sure, in a really miniscule way, but you could.

>>174706917
>if you do not act like say, you are a cunt
I never outright said it like this either. There are plenty of "non-cunt" (if you will) reasons to not buy shit, I realise that. Budget is an obvious one.

>>174706924
Well... maybe I am moralfagging? I was under the impresion that I was just presenting my views and then defending them, not imposing them on anyone which is what I'd imagine a moralfag would do.

>>174706924
>how about the fact that my fav games have already been made and i intend to play them for years to come? the industry suffers in this circumstance to but thats neither my problem nor my obligation.

You're right, that's not a problem at all, because obviously nothing in the current industry is able to pique your interest. That is absolutely fair enough. Also, I will watch the documentary!

>If you walk into a shop and don't like what you see you buy nothing so why on election day would you vote for anyone when theres nothing you like on offer?
Well, I am assuming that there IS something on offer that you'd like, but of course you're right, when there's no one you'd vote for it only makes sense to stay home.

>>174708016
>I never outright said it like this either

>>174698851
>I would think of them as a bit of a cunt desu
Sure thing...

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>>174708185
W-well I gave some reasoning for it! But I'll concede it's a stupid statement.
Everybody is of course free to do as they please within legal limits. Never wanted to argue that.

I think the principle behind it makes sense though and I'll continue to hold myself to that standard as well as reasonably possible!

Anyway, this discussion has gotten out of hand desu. Didn't mean to start one of these forsaken off-topic /shmupg/ arguments. lmao...

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>>174714238

ccwi best stg ever

where does morality kun stand on 2nd hand market? if i buy only 2nd hand hand the dev gets nothing.

>>174715314
>morality kun
Kek. Don't make me into a meme!

But yeah, if you don't find value in getting stuff factory-new then that's an economically sound decision!

Anyone here play Hydorah?
Music won't load, and looking on the net there used to be a fix for that, but now it's unavaiable... Can anyone help me? I already downloaded the codecs mentioned in the readme

>>174720830

>/shmupg/ - fascist morality police

Ok, I'm gonna start practicing Gradius III (SNES)

Fun fact: Ikaruga is as STG as it gets (not a puzzle game), since it's heavily inspired by Space Invaders (godfather of shmups).

Cave are not STG. They are dodging games.

>tfw mom interrupts Garegga study and asks me to take the bins out

INCONSIDERATE FUCKING WHORE

>tfw i'm flunking Garegga 101
i'll never be able to play my first credit at this rate....

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Keeping it alive without arguing!

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Bahmpu~

http://www.battlegareg.ga/

study up /shmupg/

so bullet soul is poo right
it looks it

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>>174740753
Battle Garegga sure seems to be rather fantastic.
But it could all just be an elaborate meme...

>>174741304
not as poo as poohou at least

>>174743438
that doesnt tell me anything
is it worth a purchase

>>174744145
the consensus seems to be that it is very easy

>>174740753
Even if it came to pc I don't think I would buy this kusoge.

>>174744679
maybe i'll get danmakpoo unlimited then

>>174744679
Isn't the game clear 2-all?

>>174728313
You're right, Cave games are more of an evolution, taking the most interesting part about old school stgs and refining it while ditching unnecessary low depth elements done better in other genres.

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Which shmup do I play for this one?

>>174754806
sounds tasty, is it good?

>>174756421
is cucumber

>>174756421
Yeah it's really good. Don't know if it's better than white label though.

https://twitter.com/__danbo/status/855931000752418817

Is this good enough for grudges to be dropped?

>>174766350
lol it only took a year to implement something that was promised day one in a game that nobody gives a shit about any more

epic

>>174766350
late but better than nothing I guess

>>174766350

> stupid cunt can't even get to stage 5 in his own game

why i'm so cares about playtime? Like, if i beat the game after 100 hours, it's fucking nothing positive

>>174773150
Because you're insecure and forgot how to have simple fun in games without using them to simulate achievement

>>174773150
Shmups are like asians. Arr rook the same. I foyu clear one, you've cleared them all, so you try to go for a speed clear instead.

Is Inbachi relevant with score run? Or is it only achievement purpose?

>Poowarumi
>xbone
>not ps4
what are they thinking

>>174769383
>> stupid cunt can't even get to stage 5 in his own game
Like i said all along, the design flaws are exactly what i'd expect from a non player. Just address some visibility issues and change the wide shot ship speed to a slower sensible tuned to the game speed and it'd be pretty damn good.

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im gonna do it /lolg/

>play Raiden III
>concentrate on dodging the boss bullets
>suddenly a a small enemy appears in left corner behind me
>immediately shoots at me with lightning fast bullet
What were they thinking? This is not a fun way to die anymore.

>>174779717
Was it ever?

>>174779830
It's just cheap. You have no way to react to it, except you memorized it.

>>174694197
Not sure how many noviceanons we have here, but I haven't been posting for some time and playing CCWI currently (probably I'll drop it until later, I can barely make it to stage 4 on arcade w/ Type-Z and stage 5 seems to be impossible).

But I actually think Alltynex 2nd is a nice game.

>>174779923
Yes because raiden games are about memorization and execution, it's called diversity and no ont every game has to be a slow bullets danmaku game that makes you think you're better than you are. Try raiden 2/dx and hopefully cry yourself to sleep with excuses for being shit.

>>174779613
>anime avatar
Fuck off you manbaby queer.

>>174782315
>it's called diversity and no ont every game has to be a slow bullets danmaku game
I barely even play danmaku, but whatever. And cheap traps like instant stab in the back is retarded design. Has nothing to do with fast bullets or not.

Fast bullets are ok, but I still prefer the middle ground. I like bullet velocity like in Under defeat for example. Raiden velocity is already over the top to me, but to each their own.

> hopefully cry yourself to sleep with excuses for being shit
I don't care if I'm shit or not, I play for fun. In contrary to you, I don't see my scores as an extension of my dick, you pathetic subhuman.

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What should I choose, wut are the "perfect" options if I want to practice for a 1all?

Who Gradius III here?

This is the SFC Version.

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>>174782379
pls no bully

>>174779613
Do what, check your inbox?

>>174769383
Isn't he Scottish? He's probably just fucked up on Temazepam

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>>174774394
>poo revolver
>pretty damn good
laughing every love

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Wohoo, just made it to the stage 4 boss

>>174782682
>And cheap traps like instant stab in the back is retarded design.
Wrong, it's just a different style that demands memory and execution I mean you play once and know what killed you for next time. Your faggotself just wants baby game that can be beaten on the first go but gives the illusion of skill.

>>174782682
>Fast bullets are ok, but I still prefer the middle ground. I like bullet velocity like in Under defeat for example. Raiden velocity is already over the top to me, but to each their own.
Top kek UD are slow and raiden is fast because the game is designed around memory and punishing you for forgetting it, you aren't supposed to be "reacting" to bullets.

>>174782682
>I don't care if I'm shit or not
As evidenced by your anti learning attitude and excuses for short comings. I find learning and getting better fun so what now? go eat another bag of haribo whilst you weep on your cuddly toy my little pony collection doing rainbow farts from your technicolor starfish.

>>174786909
aye glasgay fanny

>tfw flunked Garegga 101

>>174790037
>it's just a different style that demands memory and execution
Every shmup demands memory and execution you fucktard. However, they usually also always give you a chance to react.

>you aren't supposed to be "reacting" to bullets
Thanks for stating the obvious!

>As evidenced by your anti learning attitude
What does this have to do with learning attitudes? All I am just saying is that a death you can't react to and have to memorize is retarded design. It's like the game kills you out of fucking nowhere simply because you stand at the wrong spot. It's just stupid design.

This has nothing to do with learning attitudes you fucking chav. It has to do with dumb game design.

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>>174766350
Good enough for me. I still think the game is solid, this is all that was missing.

>>174769383
Meh, where does the idea that devs should be great at their own games come from?

You either balance it around your own skill, which will make it boring for more skilled players
Or balance it outside of your zone of comfort, getting feedback from stronger players

>>174791560
Hard to stay completely garbage at a game you've been playing for hundreds if not thousands of hours

>>174791641
Usually devs don't even playtest that much, but whatever. It's completely normal that devs suck at their own games.

>>174793429
>Usually devs don't even playtest that much
Where the hell did you get this insane idea?

>>174793568
By reading interviews? Most STG developers don't play much. Do you honestly think Ikeda can clear any of his fucking games? STG devs don't have the time to play much.

>>174793683
We're talking about indie developers, not professional teams you nincompoop

>>174793763
Indie devs are also just game devs. Doesn't matter if you are a professional developer or not. There is no requirement to play your own game much. Usually they let other people playtest them more in depth.

>>174793940
They are not just game devs, they're people who are in charge of most of the development process and do not have easy access to teams of playtesters which is a huge difference. There's no requirement but that's just common sense if you want to make anything half decent.

>>174794048
>do not have easy access to teams of playtesters
Of course they do. Just give the game to Jaimers, and you have your own personal playtester. That's what they did in the case of Poo Revolver, you fucking retard.

>just common sense if you want to make anything half decent
It's completely redundant. Common sense is just to test each pattern if it is possible to survive, and then move on to the next. everything else is just waste of time.

As a developer you do not have to practice every pattern till you are completely consistent at it, like a fucking player, you dumb retard.

>>174794281
You do understand that you need functioning levels, boss fights, control customization and other important parts to get players like Jaimers to playtest? Then you also have the matter of playtesting to check relatively minor additions and changes, which isn't something you can reasonably expect out of a player checking a game out in their free time. Checking patterns for survivability and calling it a day is absolutely retarded unless you are not concerned with the quality of your game at all, there's a lot of nuances that need to be checked and lots of different strategies to try if your game has any semblance of depth. Get some game dev experience before talking out of your ass you retarded german cocksucker

>>174794534
>Checking patterns for survivability and calling it a day is absolutely retarded
Well then every fucking STG developer in existence is retarded according to you.
The people who design these games mostly are not good at them. And they also don't have to.

>>174794780
Link to a single interview where the devs say that, I'll wait

>>174794857
I'm not here to spoonfeed you, you fucking retard.

>>174794941
I've read a lot of interviews by shmup devs and not a single one of them said anything remotely close to this. Where's your evidence? Or are you making baseless assumptions again despite having fuck all experience

>>174790037
>As evidenced by your anti learning attitude and excuses for short comings.
>The staunchly anti-science anti-intellectual chav making accusations about anti learning attitudes.

Just lmao my shit up senpai.

>>174794534
I'll agree with kraut on this one, no one practices shmups until they're perfectly consistent at them, that's just crazy
Even if you take some strong player, who sank hunderds/thousands of hours in some hard game and managed to clear it, they most likely won't be able to clear it consistently (e.g. give them 10 credits and you probably won't get 10 clears from them)
That's especially true for devs because devs actually have to spend time on developing the game, apart from playtesting it

>>174796794
Depends on the game in question but yeah the original post is sound, it's only when he started saying that devs don't spend much time playtesting and then lapsed into absolute gibberish about just testing survivability and moving on when he came off as a clueless tard.

is battle garegga the dark souls of shmups?

>>174797493
Absolutely, it's nothing but artificial difficulty and developers not giving you clues on what to do.

>>174799247
Damage sponge bosses too.

What is your most played shmup on shmupmame? For me it's Strikers 1945 ll.

>>174807160
>uses cheatmame
>plays psikyo shit
reassess your life

>>174807604
post you're pcb

>>174807160
Gunbird

>>174807692
shmupmame is for cheaters
playing on a mame that doesnt use hacks to remove input latency is ok

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>>174807692
Friendly reminder that your PCB scores do not count unless the PCB in your possession has been inspected & approved by Walter Day

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>>174808354
>tfw today is pcb inspection day at the school

>>174807160
gregga

STGcringe begins

>>174807160
probably greg or kuntsui

>>174807160
36 hours in Ketsui

>>174807857
dumb cunt, shmupmame brings it to roughly pcb level but not beyond it because of lcd lag + input lag. Fucking moron.

>>174807160
Greg, about 200h

no cream, no stream

>>174812561
evening gus.

>>174812561
nvm, didn't know she's back LOL

>>174811617
keep telling yourself this to justify your cheating, cheater

>>174812943
it's a provable fact, low i.q spazzmaloid.

>>174813321
show me the proof then

>arguing about which mame is cheating and which isn't
does it even matter
even the chinks agree that nothing done on mame has any value so let people cheat if they want

>>174807160
>mame
LOL!

if you ever download a dodonpachi rom clover tac will show up at your house and break all of your fingers

dogyuun episode was gud

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Bahmpu~

>>174822531
why don't they ever do episodes of good games?

>>174826956
they ran out of them years ago

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How was it /shmupg/ ?

>>174830282
it was fine. People are just sperging out as usual.

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>>174830282
>milk

Designing a shmup is really difficult. The main problem is that these games should stay simple, yet you have to come up with something original and fun. It's a pain.

>>174831845
Yeah it's so difficult that 100000 poojin developers can shit out a game after a few months

>>174832407
Vast majority of doujins are also pretty bad though
I'm talking about making an actual good shooting game of course.

>watching stg gus episode
>his mom comes on right in the middle
i know im probably late as fuck on this but god my sides

>>174836898
which one was it?

>>174836898
episode 8
the mushi futari one

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Now that's some sexy voice.

>>174840551
Fug. Forget to quote. Time to go to bed.
>>174836898

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Fuck this boss.

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So this Jaimers guy, is he basically the Stig of shmups then, or perhaps the Stig of the STGs?

>>174840924
Jaimers is the pewdiepie of shmups.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that Under Defeat is actually the perfect 3d shmup.

>>174840924
>Stig
literally who?
gaymers is a 1cc collector

>>174841481
I don't know how good UD is, but it looks known among the Japanese too. I prefer Raystorm RayCrisis though they both hard to 1cc.

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>>174842876
>it looks known among the Japanese too
well it's a japanese arcade game...

>>174841153
He's anti-semitic?

>>174842876
Rayforce is good but it's not that special. It#s basically just Xevious mixed with the lock-on mechanic from Afterburner.

Under Defeat however managed to create a feel of 3d like no other shmup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkClDpCAN74

So this is the power of open-world shmup...

>>174851038
that's more like an updated desert strike

>>174773150
i acually feel bad about beating a game too fast.

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>>174856702
Not exactly shmup-related but that's how I'm feeling about BotW right now. I'm actually losing motivation to play because I've knocked out most of the shrines and just have to go after Ganon now, but don't actually want the game to end yet. It's a conflicting feeling, but Puyo Tetris comes out tomorrow, so maybe it'll be alright after all.

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>>174859629
>Puyo Tetris
on every platform that isn't pc, gay.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=909277370
would you /shmupg/ ?

>>174866634
this shit is making me distance myself from this genre more and more.

>>174866634
looks boring
nice tits though

>>174866634
voted yes

What is a nice CCWI/Soukyugurentai scoring system (lock-on multiplier) but with a twist?

Is there any thing you can still make with lokc-ons which hasn't been done before? I don't think so...

>>174867450
Well shmups that use lock on focus on making it very automated and intuitive, if you want to think of a unique system you need to think of ways to give the player more control and add complexity to the act of locking on. Doubt you can make it fun though.

>>174867735
Not sure what you mean by this... If a lock-on isn't automated anymore, then it isn't a lock-on. Homing shots are automated by nature...

My problem is doing a scoring system with it. Everything has already been done with it. There is literally no reason anymore to put a lock-on into a game.

>>174867930
I mean something like if Rayforce gave you full control of the lock on independently of your ship's position, possibly when you hold down the button and you could tag enemies with it before releasing the homing shots.

>>174868047
>full control of the lock on independently of your ship's position
That's already been done before... Kamui, Soukyugurentai, CCWI, etc... You have huge radius there to lock-on, not a tiny rectangle like in Rayforce.

>>174868160
That's not what I mean, imagine if you could control the targeting rectangle in the same way you control your spirit in Guwange while still only using it to tag enemies. Don't think you have much left besides bullshit like that.

>>174866634
Shumps with adult content?

>>174868380
So you mean kinda like in REZ, where you control the lock-on rectangle yourself and drag it across the screen?

I think I should just make the lock-on an ordinary secondary weapon, and make the main scoring system revolve around something else.

It's just all already been done.

>>174868830
Something like that, haven't seen anything like that in a shmup (probably for good reason)

>>174869505
>probably for good reason
Yea, perhaps I'm just too dumb for it, but I find the spirit system in Guwange pretty weird to control. It's not really fun to use.

>>174869826
>perhaps I'm just too dumb for it
definitely this, the skill of guwange is multi tasking and smart routing. Probably why its popular in japan on not the west where most players are low tier and prefer to stick to the same old formulae of one object dodging bullets because they are copy cats and can't do intuition or intensive strategy.

>>174869826
>It's not really fun to use.
Only because it reminds you of how inept and shit you are, you lack perseverance and thankfully the game lets you know how much of a failure you are for it. If you ever pass baby tier which you won't its the most addictive system ever created but as only 2 of us in the west have even hit competency you'll never know.

>>174864828
Huh

>>174866634
Everything this dev puts up is some kind of anemic H-game, who buys this crap

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>>174866634
new stg from clover tac confirmed

is stage 3 in ccwi supposed to be impossible, specifically the boss. maybe it's because i'm retarded and bad shmups

arcade original btw

>>174873562
it's not a hard stage with type z once you practice it long enough, only gets tough near the end, but you can just bomb through. boss is easy too, though you need to move carefully with fast type z.
if you are using other ships, you need a good route, even experienced players can die in this stage especially if they score.

>>174873562
regardless game time just keep practicing, you can do it!

>>174873562
>specifically the boss
Which part exactly gives you trouble? I feel like the part between mid-boss and the boss is harder.

>>174873562
At the boss you have to time your breaks right, otherwise you just make the patterns harder.

>>174871520
i feel like you torture kittens.

>>174869826
>but I find the spirit system in Guwange pretty weird to control. It's not really fun to use.
it's not a very good game and considered to be one of cave's worst

>>174880623
well, it is quite unique i give it that
it has cool art design and music
its just a bit weird

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>>174866634
this looks like luftrausers with anime tits

>>174881270
well it's no r-type, ikaruga, or ccwi

>>174883823
ccwi wouldn't look too good without shiny stars, numbers and bullets all over the screen.

the fucking red ball rush on crimzon clover stage 3 after midboss is literally most bullshit thing in the whole game because if you manage to trigger the medium ship spawn then the energy pickup from boss is completely unavaible because the ship blocks you from getting it. And of course that bullshit will be combined with the spider thingys shooting shit at you from every possible and impossible direction you can ever imagine

so with all those the conclusion is that that part right there is utter fucking bullshit ruining the otherwise fun stage 3

>>174874568
>>174877626
>>174877958
>>174879082
ty for responding, I'll take your advice and keep practicing. also word on mid boss to boss section, pure aids. I'm having fun trying to get good at least

>>174885445
who cares, poojin was just a prototype designed for girls

I just had an idea for scoring mechanic. Can somebody tell me if this has been already done elsewhere?

You have a main shot and a secondary weapon. The secondary weapon grants a multiplier when killing enemies with it, however it requires ammo (or energy). The ammo refills slowly by itself, but you also can stop shooting with main shot to make it refill faster. Scoring well requires precise shooting and point-blanking for higher damage in order to refill ammo faster, plus time-killing high point value enemies with secondary weapon after weakening them with main shot.

>>174885445
>then the energy pickup from boss is completely unavaible
You can just grab the pick-up right after the boss is destroyed...

>>174885445
I'm pretty sure spiders spawn only on the right part of the screen, while it scrolls left with sarracenia-like things and occasional big ship coming from the left?

Am I the only one having trouble most trouble with stage 3 in a segment right before the end boss (which starts with snake-like ships)?

>>174886045
>Am I the only one having trouble most trouble with stage 3 in a segment right before the end boss (which starts with snake-like ships)?
I've only played a few credits of the game, but that's where my runs were ending. Unlike everything before that, I would have to route them to get past.

>>174886045
the snakes and what comes after still fucks me up, i have to brake on snakes and then bomb through the rest.

>>174887259
Breaking on sneks is good, because they have very high point values.

>>174885445
dont play type1 retard, it's for masochists

>>174851038
Am I just extremely cynical if I think this looks like trash? I mean, what's the point really? It plays like those Contra III top-down levels, but you have so much freedom of movement yet barely any enemies, and a completely linear path.

I get that it's not trying to be hardcore arcadey, but it just looks bland and boring and pointless. It's like a 2D version of Ace Combat or something. I don't get it.

what is this meme to praise r type ikaruga and ccwi all in the same sentence

>>174892182
>Am I just extremely cynical if I think this looks like trash?
No, it does like trash. It's the same as all the other euro shmups: fancy graphics and effects, but boring as fuck gameplay, art style, and music.

>>174881648
It's NOTHING like Luftrausers. You can't even speedy speed boy in this.

I'm just unable to think of a good scoring mechanic... I should just forget about this.
It makes no sense thinking about it, since everything has already been done in this genre.

>>174887347
i know they do in cc, but in ccwi too? in cc sneks are easy and level 3 is easier overall, at least to survive.
>>174888024
type 1 is the most fun for scoring though, type Z is too strong which makes scoring harder and you get scoring penalty on top of that, type 3 is just too fast for my taste and lock damage is shit making scoring difficult, type 2 is options autism.

>>174892419
A meme gift from germany

>>174885918
how the fuck are you supposed to do that when enemies spawn like 0.5 sec after the pickups appear

>>174886045
you are supposed to have double break ready for that part. I usually do it so that I enter break just after the first one spawns and enter double break a bit after the second one appears and move from left side under the snek to the right

>>174893181
>how the fuck are you supposed to do that when enemies spawn like 0.5 sec after the pickups appear
Just look at a replay of a decent player... You have to kill the mid-boss while he is in the middle of the screen, then move at the top of the screen, grab the energy item, and quickly move down again.

>>174866634
>made by chinks
More proof that only the Japanese can make good STGs.

Is the scoring system in a game actually really that important? I mean Mushi Futari original also has very simple but straight forwward system, but people still seem to like it. Also nothing overly original.

In the end it just comes down to level design and art style, music, etc, doesn't it?

In Mushihimesama using S-power (lasers?) is there ever a reason to not use formation? Does trailing the lasers behind you tracer style and bunching them up focused have some kind of benefit over the coverage formation gives?

What's your opinion on Hydorah? Personally I think it's just great. Been exploring the levels and getting my ass kicked

It's finally here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_UK4B3wnLo

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>4 stage mission with G.T.V at the end
>manage to do rather well all thigns considered, though I barely make it through with zero lives and maybe 2 shields after 7 grueling minutes of fighting

>14-stage-mission with G.T.V at the end
>get my fucking arsehole torn apart from the first fucking second of the battle and lose all lives within 1.5 minutes

Really makes you want to fucking strangle a fucking fish I tell you what. Fucking arseholes.

>>174898147
Steredenn-tier. Can be fun, but no comparison to a good japanese shmup.

Fuck kickstarter
Fuck poowarumi

>hurr durr if u donat $50 and youll get a t shirt and some concept art
>oh you didnt donate enough $$, its your fault, now we're gonna make an even shittier game

I don't wan't this euroshmup trash, just give me a good game...

>>174899425
Make a better one yourself then.

>>174896502
>Is the scoring system in a game actually really that important?
for me, very.

>>174896502
>I mean Mushi Futari original also has very simple but straight forwward system
because it's addictive and rewarding, people want good scoring systems not just the most convulted although it can be obv. Cave got good at scoring systems which cater to both levels of player like ketsui for example, in principle its easy to grasp and do but the higher level play is extremely complex and hard.

>>174900145
>for me, very.
Kraut already knows that it is important, he's just trying to rationalize his failure as usual.

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Bahmpu~

Cabal-shooters are the pinnacle of shmups.

>>174900145
Perhaps I didn't express myself adequately. What I mean is rather if it is really that important to have an original scoring mechanic. I don't think Mushis scoring is that original actually.

>>174896745
Possibly in maniac or ultra. In original I think it comes down to preference.

>>174907073
>What I mean is rather if it is really that important to have an original scoring mechanic.
no, just needs to be good and addictive.

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>>174898259
pc when?

>>174914183
it's perfectly emulated so probs never.

>>174907073
Some gimmick won't save a game that isn't good in general
Just look at the games people remember the most, no one really cares about games that did something first, it's almost always games that did something well

>>174917181
>emulated
anon...i...

LOL!

>>174885445
>because if you manage to trigger the medium ship spawn
Then don't trigger it, stop shooting like retard

>>174871520
>competency
>less than 50% of WR
LMAO!!!!!

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Bahmpu~

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Shumps~

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>>174931441
Casper's so cool~