/r6g/ - Rainbow Six General

first for iq is cute

mah toxic babes are in position

lmao the madman actually made it

>>174567038
5th for I want to marry Haru

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>>174567038
>>174567168

>>174567038
>>174567168
Echo get off 4chan

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>>174567314
No

>>174567038
how do i filter you?

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>>174567403
you cant

FOOKIN

LASER

UMP45 set to single fire is actually pretty neat if you're shooting across one of the bigger objective rooms

>>174567847
Single fire is one of the most overlooked features of the game. Learning to use it effectively can easily gain you a few ranks.

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time for a second round of voting.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12791712

keep in mind the new bandit is 100% snake/reddit free, so if that was an issue for you before it shouldn't be now.

>>174567907
shut the fuck up

>tfw broke 100 hours
>still a shitter that can barely get 2 kills in casual
how do I get better

>>174568424
Play ranked

>>174568327
>>174567907
2 Round burst on the AR33 is pretty neat, but it's hardly something that can't be achieved with decent trigger control.

>>174568484
i actually do a little bit better in ranked. mostly because I'm sweating buckets and act more twitchy

still haven't played enough to get a rank at all

>>174568271
Noone fucking cares lad

just fucking get on with it.
or don't

literally noone gives a shit either way.

>>174568660
t.snake

>>174568660
Some people do, stop over reacting.

>>174568698
has anyone been more BTFO than snake?

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>>174568660
>Noone

>>174568698
this general is fucking shite

>>174568798
some say he still posts bad webms to this day

>>174568798
hoesof

>>174569023
he does

on reddit

>>174569220
im not a part of the teamspeak & never understood this meme

can u spoonfeed me?

>>174569282
Just read this post right here >>174568992

>>174568271
right is better but the number needs to be larger somehow

>>174569282
you know how there's always a post saying "Xth for sakuya" , that's hoesof. hes got some shitty waifu and always namefags/avatarfags all the time. eventually someone got sick of his shit and posted his ranked stats. he was plat 3 with a 0.65 k/d.

at this point any shitposting is blamed on him due to the fact that he shitposts regularly and provides the general with nothing but his shit.

>>174569671
I know that that's a shit k/d but thats like better than mine

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>>174567907
>>174568545
AN 94 Operator when?
>a fucking PULLEY

>>174569772
his k/d wouldn't be a problem if he had a lower rank. at plat 3 with a k/d like that it implies he's carried so hard he breaks his friends backs.

Why the fuck did Ubisoft nerf Montagne and buff Glaz

>>174569894
Because Montagne is 100% pickrate for pro scene and Glaz was useless outside of plane?

>>174569873
>implying waifufags have friends

>>174569873
>tfw I'm such shit that Hoesof carries me
>never complains about my worse K/D
He's a cool guy. Stop making him a boogie man

>>174570002
I MAIN MONTAGNE ITS NOT FAIR AHHHH

>>174570002
>Montagne is 100% pickrate for pro scene

no?

>>174570002
Montagne was perfect as he was because he required synergy with the entire team and required coordination to function properly

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where the fuck is my iq drawing you drawfag piece of shit

>>174570271
If that was true, this nerf wouldn't matter.

>>174570315
This does not make sense

>tfw bought the Starter edition
How do I deal with this bros?
Do I just live with Tachanka, Fuze, and Thermite only?

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>>174570274

requesting the the post where anon said he had a dream with caveira and jackal fucking

>>174570271
That aspect wasn't nerfed. All that was nerfed was hip fire for the magnum. He synergises just as well, he just can't shit on people without exposing his head any more.

I think they went a bit far, though. At the very least first shot accuracy should be better.

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>>174570502

>>174570519
what I meant is that he used to be best used with others, now he has to rely on his team mates too much and is unable to do shit by himself

>>174570494
where's thick anon iq drawing

>>174570486
Pick up Hibana and either Valk or Mira for rainbucks.
>Tachanka
why did you do this to yourself?

>>174570494
Nice.

>>174570417
If it was only the teamwork and coordination that made montagne good, then the revolver nerf would not matter. How does that not make sense?

>>174570620
You've contradicted your original statement now, not expanded upon it.

>>174570652
Have you seen those mash potatoes? THICC

>>174570565
thanks anon, but i meant a crop out of a post where he explains he had a dream about it

>>174570620
Yes
That is precisely the intention of this nerf

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>>174570090
ill carry you anytime anon!~

>laser sights in Siege are not first shot accurate
>Ubisoft doesn't know how lasers work

>>174570732
I probably worded myself poorly, srry bout that
>>174570785
he's probably right so I should stop trying to rationalize it

>>174568545
Oh it's definitely possible, however it is easier to control through the built-in feature and everyone has to start somewhere. :)

>>174570486
Just grind. It's annoying but it's not like it'll kill you.

>>174570090
K/D isn't important. As long as you're having fun. You'll rank up eventually over time. :)

I will miss just walking up to people and blowing them away with the revolver.

Couldn't they have found a middle ground on this nerf though? The spread is almost as large as the screen now, you need to be touching them to land any shots (at which point they lag through you and shoot you in the back)

>>174570882
shut the fuck up

>Montagne’s LFP586 hip fire spread has been increased.
For literally WHAT reason? He only has 6 bullets to hit someone with so HOW is it unfair that he has better accuracy? FUCKING UBI

>>174570906
It's hard to balance shield operators. A SLEIGHT tweak and they can ruin the game for people.

Stop namefagging.

We're all anonymous here.
Stop giving a shit about /u/Hoesef or /u/Snake. They're just Anons too.
It just derails the thread.

Quality of the post, not status of the poster.

>>174571193
>/u/Snake
>/u/Hoesef
>/u/
>>>/r/rainbow6

REINFORCEMENTS IN PLACE

leaked footage of the hong kong DLC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdWcxKRhq8

The guy recording it likes Castle alot for some reason

>>174570928
>>174568327
You could easily filter me if it bothers you THAT much.

>>174571109
It's because even those 6 shots could be overbearing.

>>174571114
It's a shame, they're incredibly fun and unique feeling but they have struggled a year and half now to be viable without being ridiculous

>>174571193

Face it the TS runs this place try making an OP without the TS info and see what happens

Hoesef and his little posse all come in and bomb the thread and scream its unfinished since the TS wasnt there

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>>174571738
>remove ts from op
>anons that want the ts go to the last thread or got to the op pastebin
wow ts btfo!

Here is how we can make /vg/. better

No trip codes

No outside programs allowed (Discord,Teamspeak,mumble,skype,IRC)

No image spamming in multiple threads

Only images that are of the topic in the general are allowed

post IDs

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>>174571871
Run along to reddit kiddo

>>174571294
>these are the people you ask for rainbow 6 advice

jesus christ you're thick

>>174571871
None of these are good ideas, or are enforceable.

>>174571738

Ill just drop /r6g/ I feel like its the same posters to much of the time. Generals are gay to me now the amount of same shit that happens its autistic

The same arguments,the same shitposts,the same reaction images.

Look at the Touhou shitposter constantly spams the same images and words its shocking

The repetitiveness of generals is autistic and it is my fault for listening to the "/vg/ is better than /v/ meme" since it fucking is not better /v/ is actually better

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>>174570502

>>174571871
The TS is fucking fine. It makes sense to have a place to squad up and pubstomp.
It's the constant, attentionwhoring, namefagging and constantly making posts about 'personalities' that makes the thread shitty.

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>>174571109
Montagne was becoming too powerful and ubisoft was worried they would lose control of him

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>>174572337

No it isnt

STOP DEFENDING IT

WE REMOVED IT ONCE

WE SHOULD REMOVE IT AGAIN

I DONT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER GENERAL DIE DUE TO SOME CIRCLE JERK

FUCK YOU TEAMSPEAK

YOU FAGGOTS

>>174571871
>Hey guys how can we make /vg/ better?

>Let's remove any sense of community!

Smart. :)

If you want a loner's paradise you could just stop showing up.

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>>174572474

I dont have enough smug anime girls for you autist

Generals are made for people like us to annoy the fuck out of people so just fucking leave <3

>>174572474
TS is fine.

The TS leaking into the thread is what causes thread drama.

We need a buffer zone.

Why don't TS fags use the steam group chat to specifically shitpost each other and the thread for more general, non specific shitposting?

This is what happens when Doc runs out of stim darts.

>>174572736
Because their fags. This will never change.

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Fine fuck you faggots

When its only the TS shitters keeping the thread alive with what ever epic shitposting tactic they are doing just to keep the thread alive dont complain in other generals about "how awesome /r6g/ was"

You caused this and could have prevented it /r6g/ was to open and it was its downfall

>>174572864
docposting is shitposting

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>>174572940
Valk is my favorite OP

>>174573045

Another meme the TS came up with

>>174573045
Docposting is still better than half the fucking thread so far.

>>174572140
Then Fuck off already retard. There's like 6 or 7 people on the TS overall. Half of them are faggots who don't even play r6. Get over yourself Lmao

>>174573502
meant for
>>174573268

>>174573502

>Reddit memes

Holy shit

>>174571109
>reeee why can't i get an ace by clicking in the vague direction of the enemy anymore

>>174572940
Just curios, how long have you been here?

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>>174572940
I don't even come to the general because no one talks about site holds or strats. The discussion on the general is stuck in the new player phase. Unfortunately most of the people in the thread are bad, so my hope is foolishly placed in a renaissance occurring here. It was all downhill since Year 1 Season 2.

t. Multi a.k.a TS shitposter

>>174574050
>baiting this hard

ebin troll

>tfw wasted 100k+ renown at the end of year one because I didn't think there would be any more operators
it still hurts fampai

>>174574257
Ok then.

You first.

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>>174571109

>Diamond friend and Plat1 friend who is just about to hit diamond ask me to play ranked
>Tell them i'm still trying to get to grips and better myself on PC
>Say it's kewl, they don't mind
>Get super fucking salty when I don't manage to win the round myself multiple times after all they keep doing is rushing etc

Call me shit or whatever but i'm only fucking decent at the game and still trying to improve, don't blame me for not winning against other diamonds solo

>>174569894
I feel the hipfire nerf went too hard, he needed fixing sure, but I was having trouble shooting a fucking trap at my bloody feet today while standing still inches away from it, it's idiotic

>>174574764
those are some goddamn faggy friends if they're going back on their word like that
get better friends, siege should be nothing but fun with them

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more iq drawings when?

>>174574764
maybe you should join the ts. we have people of all skill levels who wont bully you

Who 0.65% k/d here? I can't be the only one

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>>174575496
Had to grind for this view

>>174575496
i have a 0.33 k/d

but i'm also only level 15 so can i be excused
i'm afraid of playing casual, i get yelled at for being a retard a lot

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New operator leak

>>174575029
I just told them i'm not playing ranked till i'm better and most likely not with them if they're going to get that pissed at me, plus i'd rather take a more serious knack at it when I get a good mic for sounds etc

>>174575029
Probably will sometime, just wanna get used to it a little more

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>>174574391
I'm not trying to duck your request, but presenting ideas to one another is not very feasible. There are at least two floors that have to be discussed in tandem. There does exist a tool designed by the development team, but it stopped being updated around season 2 or 3. I've thought about trying to create a tool for visuals. However, I'm not very good with graphic design.

I'm down to try and experiment with solely text discussion of the game, though.

Hereford Base basement is an easy one to discuss:
Hereford Base basement; BOMB:
-Reinforce the 3 outer walls
-Reinforce the 1 wall left of green boxes
-Reinforce the 2 walls that face ladder room
-Reinforce the 2 hatches
-Either reinforce the long wall of the armory or projection wall

Operators preferable:
-Smoke for slowing/stopping plants in projection room
-Rook for the armor and ACOG for fighting long angles from green boxes or holding projection room door from ladder room
-Valkyrie for cams in red container, lockers that looks into grates into projection, and the last cam on the tree facing parking to do run outs from outer stairs or placed in the trench to watch for thermite
-Bandit or Mute for breaching denial or let's face it slowing down
-Jager for barbed wire protection in projection and ladder room

Continued...

>play Siege casual
>randomly pick Blitz on matchpoint attack rounds since the enemy literally will not expect you picking the shittiest character in the game
>proceed to get no less than 2 kills every time

Feels fucking good my dudes

All of Echo's stats should be boosted when Yokai is destroyed

Bought this game 3 weeks ago already have 79 hours, I think I have addiction.

Plat 3 in ranked how do I get to diamond? Also why is everyone a raging faggot in this community. Enemy teams always talking trash while my team rages for not knowing fallouts on maps.

>>174575980
Doing stupid shit on casual is fucking great. Was playing with some friends the other day, we all went Shield recruit and wrecked the other team's shit for precisely one round, and the next time we tried it we all got nitros in the face.

>>174575987
>All

So he goes from 1 speed / 3 armor to 2 speed / 4 armor?

Are valk cams better off

A) In preplanned secret location

B) random locations

>>174575879
>Jager?

You sweaty fuck, you're the reason why this game is dying

>Ubisoft is going to add an underwhelming OP and an Overpowered OP in a few weeks
>Still playing this dumpster fire of a game

Why do I do this to myself?

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>>174575159
>>174570274
well im coloring this right now

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>>174576421

>>174576597
Because the game is fun and actually unique. You can't simply leave the game behind and go play the same thing from another dev.

Why frogeaters are always so toxic and stupid in this game? Only russians can be more disgustig

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>>174576616

>>174576616
Post feet version

>>174576816
You can say that about every game tho. I can't simply leave Battlefield and play COD or Siege for the same feeling either.

>>174576251
He gains rook armor and plays an animation taking off all his other armor by pressing the Yokai button

Turns into 3 speed 1 armor, his guns are still shitty but his animations are all sped up, has a visual affect like Silent Step

Starts screaming full Tachanka mode

>>174576616
Will there be an uncensored version as well?

>>174577420
There are other games that play similar to those series, and both those are actual series. As in it has multiple games for you to get the same experience. I guess I should add that Siege is fresh to the my original post.

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>>174575879
I tried the Ubisoft whiteboard. The thing is confusing and not up to date. Here's what I was talking about in my last post. Did what I type translate well or is the visual much more understandable?

>>174577307
im coloring this, ill probably post it tomorrow

>>174577530
both versions are uncensored, i had to improvise a thong to upload it here

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>>174576616
God bless you drawfriend

Am I fucked if someone gifted me a copy of R6 and it's the standard edition? Can I upgrade?

>>174576616
Vary your line density holy shit

>>174578340
standard edition is the one you want

>>174578340
You can "upgrade" by buying with real bux all the operators after getting your free ones. It completes the cost to 40$ but seeing as you got it free it's more like a coupon.

>>174577659
True, but at the same time I could play CSGO for the crazy team based strategy and overall game meta. Much in the same way we can predict enemy spawns and their likely teams based on what objectives they have already successfully defended, the economy is CS plays a huge part.

I'm surprised Battlefield hasn't made a 12v12 Siege clone, where instead of "sieging" one building, you have multiple buildings in an entire town.

>>174576616
I beg you. Have a version without shoes.

I BEG YOU.

>>174577692
These are some great strats, wanna hook up and play some ranked?

>>174576616
Make a futa version

>>174577257
>>174577307
>>174577530
>>174578290
>>174578698
>>174578781
These are better than TS posts

>>174578816
Yes and...?

>>174578854
He said unaware of the irony

>>174579039
I'm fully aware of the intended irony. But he is simply wrong, because un-ironically those posts are better than TS posts.

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>>174579115

>>174578513
fuck, this is some actual good advice, thanks a lot anon

>>174578698
yup, there's one with kneesocks with barefeet and another with kneesocks and shoes

>>174578340
starter edition is the grind one, standard is the good one, if the base operators are 500 renown you are good to go, just do all the situations and youll get enough to buy most of the basic roaster

>>174578816
To be fair, you don't know which posts are TS posts. So please stop shit posting about it.

Dumb question, did the nerf also increase the hipfire of the revolver in general with all operators?

>>>/wsg/1650209
>Tachanka still cant survive 1 headshot

>>174580012
>Rainbow Six Siege is still the only game in the video game industry that has universal one shot headshots on every weapon
>This is still the most highly contested subject in Siege
>Ubisoft still won't let us disable one shot headshots in custom games because they are afraid we'd make the game better by doing so

>>174580274
hello newfag

>>174580274
I was just making a joke, I dont think its the most contested thing but It is pretty great. Glad they haven't caved in on this

>>174580365
>been here since 2015
>"newfag"

It comes up all the time and is the only subject that doesn't have universal agreement on (ie blitz headshot hitbox is retarded, tachanka sucks, etc), other than people coming up with shit ideas like the dog operator or cap/bb being swapped.

>>174580446
I think there is really good arguments for and against it. But Siege being the only game with it even tho it's not very realistic, and more realistic games tend to operate without it... The writing is kind of on the wall there.

>>174580569
There has never been universal agreement on anything ever in the history of humanity. Gas yourself brainlet.

>>174580643
>you legitimately think there are people who unironically thought tachanka was fine or that Blitz has no issues with his head hitbox

And you are calling me a brainlet?

>>174580785
You're strawmaning me. So yes, you are stupid.

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>>174580854
>says no issue has almost universal agreement
>list two issues that have almost universal agreement
>LOL YOU ARE STRAWMANNING ME

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>>174581167
Where is your evidence of universal agreement? Can you prove your claim?

>almost
>almost
>almost
lol

>>174581265
If you have spent any time here you would know these are universal truths but sure, I mean whatever. Feel free to keep baiting me because I don't mind the You's and the red ! on my open tabs from you making a fool of yourself.

>>174581265
Now you're trying too hard.

>winning 3-0
>lose 3-5
fuck this shit game and shit players

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>>174580569
>cap/bb being swapped
>a bad idea

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>>174581429
>these are universal truths

You committed logical fallacies twice. I never said "almost" that was you. Additionally, your use of the word "almost" is a Freudian slip conceding the argument, or your use of the word "almost" is testament to your carelessness.

You can't prove that these are universal truths. Get fucked. Please elaborate more on your mythos.

My point is: there is no belief in human history that is universally accepted. That's all I said. Your autism disallows you from agreeing to this. Rather you use mythos as evidence of truth. LMAOing at your existence famalam

>>174582018
?

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>>174582018
Heh that's nothing kid

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HAHAHA .6KD HAHAHAHA SAKUYA

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>remember when the content drought had /r6g/ discuss what constituted art or the morality of war
>now it's TS shitposting and namefagging
i want to go back

>>174581975
The only reason you want me to find "proof" is because you know it's exceedingly difficult to parse generals from now to over a year ago, and you will find any hole to punch through anything, like if you point at the first ironic "Tachanka is fine" as proof you are right, you will claim victory and that I'm wrong. This isn't my first rodeo I know exactly what you are doing.

General consensus here, with pretty much damn near unanimous agreement as you can get on 4chan, is that Tachanka was shit. Many still argue he is shit.

You are choosing to argue semantics for literally no reason other than to waste time and shitpost. I don't mind because what it really does is expose you for being an idiot, and gives everyone else in this thread a show.

And yes Tachanka being shit is as universal a truth on /r6g/ as you can ever get on 4chan. The sky being blue is less consistent than this. You are free to return to whatever shitty general you normally frequent since it's clear you aren't a regular here.

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>>174583212
>reddit spacing
ball's in your court

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cut it out you twits. neither of you are convincing anybody anything.

>>174583461
Point is I'd love to see how Siege plays without the 1 hit headshots, and if Ubisoft added that as an option for custom games it literally would do the game zero harm.

>>174584019
They'd have to remove leaning too

>>174584210
Why? It just means positioning is more important (ie attacking from unexpected angles). Maybe shields will see a much higher usage.

>>174583461
There better a dick when I find the source

>>174571109
uh oh looks like you have to actually aim now, maybe even... no it cant be... you might have to put yourself into harm's way to get kills!

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>>174583461
No dick baka desu senpai

>>174584276
>someone leaning exposes ~10% of their body
>someone who is not exposes 100% of their body
>hitting the exposed head does not stop damage
>hitting the only exposed part of their hitbox is much harder

Removing one shot headshots will make peeking even stronger

>>174584276
shotguns would dominate

>>174575684
>Had to grind for this view
>high win loss
>low k/d
I think you mean other people had to grind for that view since you are obviously carried

>>174584742
>both sides easily able to peek
>headshots still do high levels of damage because at worst they'd be torso damage, and at best proportional to hitbox sizes
>have to land consistent, multiple shots on target instead of spraying and getting a lucky headshot
>hitting from alternative angles, smoke grenades, flashbangs, shield use and even shotguns may see a boost in usage
>peekers advantage may vanish

I need you to give me some downsides here

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>scan cavs footsteps as jackal
>she just silent steps

ANY OTHER OPERATOR

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another one

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There should be some fun drone mini games. I know we have rocket league on favela, but if we had a tony hawk style mini game that would be nice aswell. Doing 360s and climbing things.

>>174584862
>caring about muh k/d
post rank

>>174584968
>both sides easily able to peek
I forgot the maps are symmetrical
>headshots still do high levels of damage because at worst they'd be torso damage, and at best proportional to hitbox sizes
So, the game improves if I'm not rewarded for hitting a smaller target. Rather, the skill ceiling should be lowered. I gotcha.
>have to land consistent, multiple shots on target instead of spraying and getting lucky headshot
The L85 is a 3 shot. Glaz's rifle is a 2 shot. Not every kill is a headshot. Everyone already does this retard.
>hitting from alternative angles, smoke grenades, flashbangs, shield use and even shotguns may see a boost in usage
Why would there be alternative angles? Smoke grenades are already used for denying vision. They are smoke grenades... flashbangs are used to blind people and burn ADSs. Just because you suck with them doesn't mean they are useless. Shield use... Montagne...
>Shotguns
They are one shot at decent range. The lowest TTK in the game. Really makes me think.

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>playing as Mira
>Doc runs by and pops all my mirrors in a really good spot I have forward of the objective
>shoot him with my shotgun and down him
>run off
>proceed to get 3 kills that round
>seem him coming for me, but relents to shoot despite aiming at me directly
>do next round
>run off and proceed to win round almost singlehandedly by killing two people on objective and securing it
>overtime match point as attacker again
>go and get two kills immediately by complete chance
>begin setting up to win round
>that salty doc comes up behind me and headshots me
>we still win the round
>I get MVP
>send him a message saying "Still got the mvp tho :^) " with a million of pic related emojis
>receive 10 asspained messages of him freaking out for how much of a shitter I am

Feels good my dudes

>>174585130
t. anchor

>>174585386
I always find it amusing how surprised people are when you nuke their shit after they pop your mirrors or ignore you asking them not to reinforce a wall. If they're not going to be respectful or a team player I'm going to give them a time out every time.

>>174585618
>/r6g/ - autistic teenagers pretending to be 30 year olds pretending to be autistic teenagers

>>174585378
>not symmetrical
Does not matter since you can argue certain sides have certain advantages they need to be cognizant of.

>skill ceiling
Please explain to me why the skill ceiling is lowered when even the most well known, popular, most "skilled" FPS game on the market, Counter Strike, doesn't have universal headshots?

>Everyone already does this retard
Do you have data that shows body hits vs how often headshots are landed, and more importantly, that the rate of headshots in Siege is actually 100% where it should be and not somehow inflated due to body damage being disproportionate in the headshot TTK than it is compared to headshots?

>Why would there be alternative angles
It's almost like we have the ability to breach walls or attack from numerous angles in this game!

>Shotguns have the lowest TTK in this game
How are you calculating this data, exactly? Are you including occurrences of firefights outside of one shot kill ranges? Or even ranges in which a shotgun disengages because they are out of range to kill the opponent?

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https://streamable.com/zoigs

>absolute horrid first
>no kills
>enemy killed one another second round
>no kills
>match point up against 1 old person and 4 new guys
>my team gets rekt by one guy spawnpeeking
>kill him when he runs out
>proceed to clutch the round by killing frost then getting a headshot wallbang on a Mira
>before I can get my renown the game crashes
fun! game this was garage on consulate BTW and I was Thacher so /teamplayer/ here

>>174585831
>It's almost like we have the ability to breach walls or attack from numerous angles in this game!
Every angle in this game is known. It's something you have to be cognizant of.
How are you calculating this data, exactly? Are you including occurrences of firefights outside of one shot kill ranges? Or even ranges in which a shotgun disengages because they are out of range to kill the opponent?
Using this same contention: headshots are very hard to get because of sight alignment. If you separate two players at max distant on the Plane tarmac, bullet drop is introduced. Therefore, headshots are hard to get as you have to compensate for bullet drop.

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>>174576616
You are my favorite person.

>>174581212
Fuck that's lewd anon.

>>174584409
DAS A CLEETORUS EXTREME LEWD

>>174586027
>Every angle in this game is known.
Yes but every angle is not always in play, and the angles in which attackers are coming from may vary. Defenders have less viable angles of where they will be than attackers, so it's easier to predict where they might be.

>headshots are very hard to get because of sight alignment
See the issue here is if you want to have a universal, factual argument on numbers we need to have
>percentage of gunfights that end in a headshot in R6 Siege
>what that percentage "should" actually be in a perfect world / environment, when you factor in all the TTK's

Then we could argue whether or not headshots are over represented, under represented, and etc. I remember a game where headshots were the only reliable way to get kills, so the only way to play the game was to get a headshot, since body damage did virtually nothing in comparison. Headshot TTK was far, far lower than non Headshot TTK by a WIDE margin.

If you agree with this statement that "If a gun does 10 damage on a body hit at point blank range, but one kit kills, you will see a lot more headshots than you will body kills" this is what I'm going with. Siege may be in that territory, but it may not be. It'd be interesting to see how the game would handle without headshots, and if it would be to the detriment, or the benefit, of the game.

I disagree on every level that removing headshots would lower the skill ceiling, as it takes an equal amount of skill to get consistent, controlled shots on target. It's just a different type of skill, not any better or worse.

>>174586317
>but one kit kills

but headshots 1 hit kill

>1v3
>turn it into a 1v1
>have a valk cam watching my back so I don't flanked from the hole I made to get into objective
>get flanked anyway because my teammates don't even know how to hold down a button
>vote kick started against me
nice game

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>>174567629
Please god take us now

Why do I always do best when I'm the only one in objective against five people? It's like the God's of siege guide my bullets straight to their heads. Also fuck anyone who says that valk has to roam, get out of here with that nonsense.

>>174586317
>L85A2
Damage: 45
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 670
>AR33
Damage: 42
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 749
>G36C
Damage: 38
4-5 shot kill
Fire Rate: 780
>R4-C
Damage: 41
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 860
>556XI
Damage: 46
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 690
>F2
Damage: 39
4-5 shot kill
Fire Rate: 980
>417
Damage: 66
2-3 shot kill
Fire Rate: Semi-Automatic
>0Ts-03
Damage: 152
1-2 shot kill
Fire Rate: Semi-Automatic
>AK-12
Damage: 44
3-4 kill
Fire Rate: 850
>6P41
Damage: 49
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 680
>AUG A2
Damage: 41
4-5 shot kill
Fire Rate: 720
>552 COMMANDO
Damage: 47
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 690
>G8A1
Damage: 37
4-5 shot kill
Fire Rate: 850
>C8-SFW
Damage: 38
4-5 shot kill
Fire Rate: 837
>CAMRS
Damage: 68
2-3 shot kill
Fire Rate: Semi-Automatic
>MK17 CQB
Damage: 41
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 585
>SR-25
Damage: 71
2-3 shot kill
Fire Rate: Semi-Automatic
>PARA-308
Damage: 42
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 650
>M249
Damage: 33
4-5 shot kill
Fire Rate: 650
>TYPE-89
Damage: 41
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 850
>C7E
Damage: 46
3-4 shot kill
Fire Rate: 800
>PDW9
Damage: 33
4-5 shot kill
Fire Rate: 800

If 1 shot headshots are removed from the game, attackers guns would have to severely nerfed.

>>174587428
Do you understand the data I am asking for, and why I am asking for it, or are you unable to understand why I am saying I need this information?

Cause the data you provided is incomplete, lacks information such as recoil pulses and how the ROF + Recoil impact accuracy, as well as options as far as magnification go, plus environmental factors such as the average and/or likely ranges at which you will engage in fights. That information you posted is in no way sufficient to calculate TTK.

>>174587425
who says that

>>174587428
>If 1 shot headshots are removed from the game, attackers guns would have to severely nerfed.

Also just to address this point, the fact that defenders have a defensible position that attackers have to come into. Attackers are at an inherent disadvantage because of that, which is why Defenders get the weaker guns. This applies in every video game, as well as real life. It's why "camping" is a meme, after all.

By you saying that their guns would have to be nerfed if 1 shot HS's are removed, is you stating in no uncertain terms headshots make up a huge portion of firefights in Siege, and that individual weapon damage is almost useless in determining a weapons viability since a weaker gun can still win those firefights just as often as not. If this is the case then Defenders wouldn't have weaker guns to begin with either.

>>174587673
The guys I just played against
>you suck why are you at objective with a roamer
jokes on though, I hadn't been the object we would have lost sooner

>>174587560
>recoil pulses
pull down with your mouse when you click
>ROF+Recoil impact accuracy
Pull down on your mouse
>options as far as magnification
All attacker guns have ACOG. Anything else is 1x, nigger. ACOG on everything anyways.
>plus environmental factors
You don't have to lead shots, range is a meme.

>>174587823
>attackers are so weak right now
kys shitter. It's so easy to force an attacker out of a corner. I know it's scary to walk into the building but it's been 3 minutes, you gotta click the bad guy. You just suck lol.

>>174570796
I'm gonna miss you guys when I have to leave, unless I don't go

>>174588034
>pull down on your mouse
Wait so is accuracy a part of the skill ceiling or not? Wouldn't being able to pull down on your mouse for longer and more consistently raise the skill ceiling than simply lining up one shot? :^)

>range is a meme
tfw you think 2m firefights are 100% equal in every way to a 10+m firefight

>you just suck
It's weird why the military needs to have an entire platoon to clear a building that has maybe like 2 bad dudes in it, and still potentially expect as high as a 25% casualty rate to be considered a success, but I guess IRL dudes are all shitters too :^)

>>174588241
Holy fuck this explains it. You have a hard time separating videogames and reality.

>>174582018
I beat some PUB streamer with 10k views two matches in a row, and was the MVP both times, so my name showed up in big letters and each time the twitch chat was filled with nothing but "LUL BEATEN BY FAGWOLF"

>>174584742
You know how you make peeking less strong?

You make the bullets come out of the barrel of the gun instead of the center of your screen, that way when you see a pixel of someones head sticking out, it can't shoot you.

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>>174588241
yeah dude real life is just video games

>>174588484
Are you saying Siege isn't at least semi realistic? Then why do you want 1 shot headshots so bad if you don't care about realism?

Also if said attacking / defending dynamics weren't also true, why do defenders have weaker weapons???

>>174588536
Because it's fun. Bazinga

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>>174587428
All maps in the game are already attacker-sided, or barely equal. The only exception is Bartlett but no one likes to play Bartlett anyways.

One-shot headshot is a great mechanic, especially when combined with the 100% first shot accuracy. It works well because of the CQC nature as well as the fact that it's a feature in the entire Rainbow Six series. Funnily enough the only people I've noticed arguing for a change ingame are shitters who commonly spray at someone and miss, while enemy turns around and headshots them, then they complain about how RNG sprays are or how 1hit headshots are stupid.

>>174588510
The reason why people don't like game discussion here is because most people in this general are shitters who, not only are they bad at Siege, but have never played any other FPS games that have tried tinkering with core elements.

Bullets coming out of the gun barrel sounds great on paper, but you have to realize that you don't have the same spacial awareness that you have IRL in a game. In Siege, with how intense CQC and leaning is, it's a godawful idea. You can't make a "raise arms" button to raise your gun over a waist-high platform without making it incredibly clunky. Having bullets come out of your head is a compromise designers have to make.

>>174588958
>Bullets coming out of the gun barrel sounds great on paper, but you have to realize that you don't have the same spacial awareness that you have IRL in a game. In Siege, with how intense CQC and leaning is, it's a godawful idea. You can't make a "raise arms" button to raise your gun over a waist-high platform without making it incredibly clunky. Having bullets come out of your head is a compromise designers have to make.

Takrov makes it not clunky

Also god forbid a game had slower gameplay.

>>174588958
>It works well because of the CQC nature as well as the fact that it's a feature in the entire Rainbow Six series.

Why is it a core feature, despite many games that had said feature previously have moved away from it?

>muh adhom on your just a shitter

Isn't it fair to say said people would still be equally shitty, because they wouldn't land consecutive, consistent shots on target enough to kill the enemy, and get out skilled? It just seems that headshots don't equalize the fights as often as they just result in maybe a random spray killing one of the two parties. Without 1 shot headshots, the ONLY way to get a kill would be to have consistently better aim than the opponent or to outplay them overall - whereas with 1 shot headshots any shitter can still win firefights arbitrarily against higher skilled opponents.

All I've been advocating for here is having it as an option as a custom game mode, because then we can see whether or not it would be better for ourselves. Maybe it would make the game worse, but maybe it would make it better. We don't know, and nobody has done long term statistical analysis to review what the impact of one shot HS's is on the game.

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where the fuck are our operator teasers?

>>174589192
here >>174575827

>>174589192
忍耐

>>174589192
t.nukemdukem who needs new content for a 5 hour long speculation video

>>174588958
There are plenty of tactical shooters where bullets come out of the barrel of the gun, and i have never in any one of them felt that cop out term it's not like in IRL hinder the game in any way.

>>174589079
>>174589589
Escape from Tarkov is nowhere in the same game genre as Siege, an arcade tactical shooter. Arma games have this, Squad has this, Dayz has this, even Battlefield has this, and it works fine because you never get into CQC to the same tier of R6S.
>god forbid a game had slower gameplay
God forbid you entirely redesign a game because you feel like it, it's a shit idea because of the setting.

>>174589132
Pixelpeeking is already incredibly powerful, now imagine pixelpeeking where you have to put at least two shots into their head to kill them. Headglitching is heavily abused in "tactical" games where there's low TTK but no guaranteed 1 headshot kills, like CSGO, which has so many flawed core features that it's incredible that it's even considered "high skill ceiling" at all.
If someone is "higher skilled" than the other person but arbitrarily loses gunfights, they're not higher skilled. I don't consider myself to be a great player but when I lose to low level players I know exactly why, and I don't blame the low TTK.

Sure, maybe you can advocate for non-headshot kills as a custom game mode, but it's still a bad idea.

>>174588958
>Having bullets come out of your head is a compromise designers have to make.
Bullets out of barrels worked just fine for Insurgency and that's much faster pace than Siege and has leaning. Don't rationalise lazy development.

>>174589798
>Sure, maybe you can advocate for non-headshot kills as a custom game mode, but it's still a bad idea.

I vehemently disagree with this because we have seen an almost complete abandonment of the mechanic across both casual and professional esport tier shooting games. If headshots were such a good idea we would see atleast some games still employing them as aggressively as Siege does, but Siege stands alone.

I know it's not a good argument on it's own, but sometimes when you are the only person arguing a position, it's worth having introspection. Is Siege the only game that "gets it" and knows you need one shot headshots, or is Siege actually behind the times and using decade old game design theory that has been proven to be obsolete?

I would just like to see it in action. I can think of numerous ways in which it wouldn't negatively impact my experience in Siege and actually enhance it. There is a few issues with maybe maps like Plane where your approaches are limited, but I think you would see more application on gadgets such as shields and flashbangs to help mitigate the advantage defenders would have in some of the entrenched positions. You might also see more emphasis on teamwork, since it's less viable for one person to win firefights with multiple enemies.

>>174590029
you just suck. Get over yourself.

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>>174590227
>must have better accuracy for a longer period of time
>must have objectively more skill
>"LOL YOU SUCK"

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What do your operator loadouts look like?

>>174590253
nigga I played Halo for 4 years. You just suck nigga.

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>>174585895

>>174589798
>Battlefield has this

No it doesn't

>>174590418
>Halo is an esport larger than Rainbow Six Siege
>Halo doesn't have 1 shot headshots

HMMMMM

>>174588958
>most people in this general are shitters who, not only are they bad at Siege, but have never played any other FPS games that have tried tinkering with core elements.
This kinda goes for both /v/ and /vg/ in general. The vast majority of people are not good at video games by any reasonable metric and those that are good by the average player's standards are still probably considered shit by better players standards. Take CSGO's ranks for example, the average player is Gold Nova 4, Global Elites are 0.50% of the playerbase, and actual top-tier players still consider most GEs to be shit players who have no idea how to play the game.

>>174590029
Did you ever consider that, while you were writing all this trash, people might not want every single game to play exactly the same? As you said, there are plenty of games you could play that are made to your preference. That's what it is, your PREFERENCE. You can waffle all you like about what it """might""" do but when it comes down to it all you want is for the game to be more familiar to you.

>>174590253
Extending TTK in a game about tactics and coordination replaces one type of 'skill' with another. It downplays the tactical skill and increases the mechanical skill. Outsmarting your opponent is much more interesting than outshooting them and what you suggest trades some of the former for more of the latter.

>>174590584
>in a game where ranks are based on a normal distribution of ELO scores, the average player is in the middle of the distribution and the category set to contain the 0.5% highest ELO scores only has 0.5% of of the player base in it!!!
I'm crying anon

>>174590582
>bullet magnetism

>>174590582
>>174590843
This is a good one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL1_ht1EdAU

>>174590667
Did you ever consider the overlap of players who would never have played RB6 Siege if there was no 1 shot headshots, the amount of players who wouldn't have cared, and the amount of players who would have played the game who otherwise wouldn't now?

Your post is literally a complete waste of time because you are arguing about population preference but you could argue easily it wouldn't change, or if in the case the game was actually better because of it, a net population increase.

But for writing an entire paragraph about PREFERENCE what you fail to realize is you are literally just arguing about your preference.

>>174590726
I would argue the exact opposite. As it is right now, you can supplement position, outsmarting, and out playing the enemy with good aim and/or luck. How many times have you come around a corner into a bad situation but still came out on top due to a skillful (or lucky) headshot?

Removing that variable would put more emphasis on position, information, and outplaying your opponent, since you would need to be in the advantageous position of having a better chance of getting more accurate shots on your target than the enemy.

If you know the enemy is leaning a specific corner or watching a specific avenue of approach, right now you can get into a peekers advantage fight with him and still win because of a headshot easily. Without that, it would make winning that fight a lot harder, requiring you to think about your approach more.

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>>174588958
> it's a feature in the entire Rainbow Six series

I just started up Rogue Spear and spawned in with different armor and weapons. The helmet for medium armor can take point blank hits from pistol calibers like 9x19mm but .50 AE and 5.7x28mm will penetrate and kill the operator. The helmet for heavy armor will stop all pistol calibers as well as buckshot for at least a couple of point blank hits, for example it can take 6 rounds of .357 Magnum FMJ and something like 20 rounds of .32 ACP JHP. Light armor doesn't get a helmet so they are the only ones who are a one hit kill no matter what weapon is used.

As far as torso protection goes it can be summed up with that light armor will stop one or two hits from pistol calibers barring stuff that has good penetration like FMJ 5.7x28mm, 7.62x25mm and heavy stuff like .50 AE. Medium will reliably stop pistol calibers and buckshot unless you dump entire mags into them. Heavy will stop massive amounts of pistol caliber rounds, virtually any amount of buckshot and a couple of rounds of 5.56x45mm but stuff like 7.62x51mm and up will penetrate.

>>174590873
>posting Halo 5

also

>being so uninformed about video games that you are unaware aim assist is actually a very, very huge thing on consoles that have to be cleverly designed and engineered

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>>174576312
hoesof showed me some really cool places that people NEVER check and also gives you great vantage points with valk cams and keeping one for yourself in emergency meme kills i think it's best to put them in prepared spots, but you should experiment as to where those spots should be, like places an enemy would enter and never turn around in, is my preference and i think I get the most mileage out of it.

>>174590889
Heh anon, don't you know that rainbow six starts with lockdown, heh

>>174590889
"HEADSHOTS ARE MANDATORY FOR RAINBOW SIX" FAGS OFFICIALLY BTFO AND ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>174591149
Since vegas they are.

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>16,691 players in game as of this post
>join casual
>switched lobbies about 4 times
>~10 mins in queue
>still no progress
>mfw
FUCKING WHY
is moderate NAT really that big a deal or is matchmaking just that fucking stupid?

>>174591260
>implying Vegas isn't viewed as ruining the franchise for true R6 fans

BTFO x2000

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Who are the best players from /r6g/?

>>174591349
I know that's why i said this.

Since these fags probably play rainbow six since vegas or lockdown.

>>174591349
what if vegas was the first R6 i actually played since i was too young to actually understand and play tactically when the first games were out?
seriously, i as like 8 or something and my dad had one of the old ones but i only have a vague memory of one mission, so i mostly likely sucked at it

>>174590945
>posting Halo 5
Right, let's get picky about the one posted. I know fuckall about Halo beyond 2 because that was the last one I played.

also

git gud at aiming.

>>174591501
Well that explains everything now doesn't it?

>>174591501
Then any argument of "Well that is how Rainbow Six is supposed to be" is 100% invalid, which is what the entire discussion in this thread is about right now. Apparently the old standby of "It's Rainbow Six so it has to have 1 shot headshots" is apparently a false meme and it looks like all those shitters now have shut up since they got exposed for being too young to remember good shit.

Although to be fair I also didn't remember it off the top of my head either so I admit I have some shitter blood running in my veins

>>174591597
>git gud at aiming

I mean I can formulate an argument in which aim assist does not really lower the skill ceiling but instead simply raises the skill floor for casual shitters, since even the pro's will still have a higher mastery of the system - which is easily observable since shitters aren't in MLG tournaments winning big bux

But I think it will go over your head since you have no ability to comprehend anything other than "AIM ASSIST = BAD"

>>174591617
>Then any argument of "Well that is how Rainbow Six is supposed to be" is 100% invalid

I specifically remember R6 was terrible for strafing too. Making it like the old R6 would change the game completely.

>>174590945
???
THERE IS NO AIM ASSIST ON SIEGE FOR CONSOLE
O
NO AIM ASSIST
S
L
E

>>174591616
>>174591617
forgot to add that im not the anon you guys were talking to, nor did i know what you guys were arguing about. just felt like adding my two cents lol
on the subject of one shot headshots, the R6 series has always aimed at realism as far as im aware of, and the chances of surviving a headshot IRL are astronomically thin so one shot headshots are fine by me

>>174591741
So? All that does is lower the skill floor

>>174591501
Just saying, I was still in elementary school when I beat R6 off of one Blockbuster rental, and I definitely remember going through the process of manually making plans for all the teams, so age is a poor excuse.

>>174591780
>so
it means that there isn't any aim assist on console retard
>video games
>skills
come back when you're making money with your ''skill''

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>>174591768
>wear ballistic rated helmet
>it just makes your 1 shot headshit hitbox bigger

>>174591768
Doesn't matter who you are, the point stands about everything in your life.

>on the subject of one shot headshots, the R6 series has always aimed at realism as far as im aware of, and the chances of surviving a headshot IRL are astronomically thin so one shot headshots are fine by me
You are wrong, with a modern helmet you can survive rifle calibers from a distance and you can survive any pistol calibers from point blank.

>>174591847
>it means that there isn't any aim assist on console retard
So?

>come back when you're making money with your ''skill''
Isn't the whole point of aim assist a skill based argument? Why do you care otherwise?

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>>174591840
back then shooters werent really my thing, always leaned more towards action and rpgs anyways

>>174591931
>You are wrong, with a modern helmet you can survive rifle calibers from a distance and you can survive any pistol calibers from point blank.
that i did not know, so i'll just show my uneducated self out. thanks for the info though

>>174591948
>so
Homosexuals get out
>skill based argument
No, it's usually ''console players can't even aim AND they have aim assist'' I was just clarifying that there isn't aim assist, which is why console players can't aim

>>174591931
>You are wrong, with a modern helmet you can survive rifle calibers from a distance

Just to add onto this, a standard 3A rated helmet could also work to "deflect" a bullet even at close ranges. While unlikely, unless the bullet is traveling 100% directly into the helmet on a relatively (to the bullet) flat piece of it at a perfect 90 degree angle, there is always the chance it'll fuck off

There are videos of guys in Afganistan having bullets plink off their helmet, even tho their helmets are in no way rated for what is firing at them.

Even at a point blank range there is a potential for it to prevent a rifle cartridge that otherwise would have went into your brain, to go somewhere else. Far less likely but 100% possible.

>>174590804
Fact of the matter is that anybody from DMG to GE can join the average player's match and easily stomp the enemy team. Pro players can then join the average GE's match and do the same. You're technically correct, but in reality anybody who's good enough has no real problems getting out of GN4, it's just that most players do in fact belong there. There's a huge gulf in skill between a GN4 and even a DMG. Most top-tier players would also consider both outright bad at the game despite them being considered average or even well above average by the only metric available.

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Has there been a Capitao edit of this? We need one

>>174592197
Yeah I know Siege doesn't have aim assist. I was never arguing it did. I'm just saying that having aim assist in a game isn't exactly a detriment to the game and doesn't lower the skill ceiling.

If you want my more nuanced opinion on this I think skill floors are highly observable, but that skill ceilings don't really exist unless they are arbitrarily handicapped by multiple systems to do so. Every game that anyone always says has a low skill ceiling has readily observable variances in skill, from noob to pro league tier, that is no more varied than any other game, like Siege. Overwatch's pro league is no more accessible to shitters than Siege's or CSGO's, really.

>>174592258
what if you get shot in the face?

>>174592373
Then you are fucked

Unless you are wearing those GIGN face shields, which are also 3A rated, at which point you can just absorb pistol rounds for days like you don't give a fuck

>>174592269
>the grand majority of players are near the centre of the distribution
stop... I can't take it....

>>174590029
>we have seen an almost complete abandonment of the mechanic across both casual and professional esport tier shooting games.
Thing is, said games play vastly differently to Siege and thus need to be balanced differently. Overwatch, for instance, has a large variety of heroes with completely different abilities and weapon types on top of being far more of an arcade shooter than Siege. The game's balance would be entirely destroyed if Soldier 76 could OSK every other hero in the game. Everybody still gets bonus damage from headshots and heroes like Widow had their headshot damage buffed further solely to ensure they could OSK with it. A game like CS plays closer to Siege, though still far differently, but it also has an entire economy system to consider when it comes to weapon balance on top of different overall gameplay. Almost all of the most used weapons can still OSK on a HS or do so much damage with it that anything else will kill you, even the weakest, free gun in the game can two shot kill a player who's bought head armor.

>>174592503
You're not really refuting anything I said. You're just mentioning something that I already acknowledged and that doesn't actually disprove anything I claimed.

>>174593267
he's laughing at you, aspie

>>174593142
This is 100% true, but even then, even tho CS has a few funs that can 1HK, the M4 can't 1HK on HS, but the AK can't.

But you Battlefield has largely abandoned it with the exception of snipers, COD hasn't had it in over 10 years. Almost every tactical shooter, from the more casual gameplay, to the next most serious game before Siege, it's no longer in place. Even games like Player Unknown's Battlegrounds doesn't have guaranteed 1 hit headshots, and that game uses some really retarded ARMA tier sim based gameplay for it's gun play

even in games like Insurgency, the range + the high torso damage makes relying on headshots incredibly foolish. Why would I bother trying to hit a tiny head, when 1-2 rounds from my SKS will drop someone with far less accuracy?

I think Siege's overall gunplay TTK is far too low for one hit headshots. It's that disparity between an attackers rifle needing, lets say, anywhere from 3-5 shots to down someone, that puts such a huge emphasis on the headshots in the game. It's that disparity between TTK without headshots that determines whether or not it feels out of place, or at home. You would never question it in Insurgency, but in Siege it feels odd sometimes losing a gunfight where everthing was going in your favor, but on the kill cam they spun around and did a quick burst and a bullet went into your head

Or even more relevant, how many kill cams do you see from a Monty or Blitz using pistol spam and a random bullet just hit your head?

Siege seems like a game where teamwork and co-ordination, where planning and positioning, seems super key to the game... But position is widely useless if you can kill someone in a highly defensible, perfect position, before the network latency even displays you on their screen. Would Ash be as much of a problem without headshots? Probably not, no.

>>174593421
I know, but I'm autistic enough to feel the need to point out how he's not actually proving me wrong.

>>174593482
>but the AK can't.

but the AK can*** god damn I'm retarded tonight

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>>174591501
Back then I didn't even understand english and I still almost beat OG Rainbow 6. I got caught on the second to last mission since I didn't understand what the fuck was even going on. I remember bragging to my dad when I completed the hydroelectric dam mission in the summer of 1999.

I swear to God the last mission in Rogue Spear is bugged beyond belief, 50% of the time the terrorists just goes full meltdown without you doing anything wrong.

>>174593482
Then play those other games.

>>174593853
I do? That is why I am able to formulate arguments on the subject.

>>174593881
So you agree adding zoom-in to all guns in Halo 5 was a step in the right direction? It's just like popular game call of duty. Sprint is in all games so Halo should have sprint. Right? Right?
Unironically kill yourself you appeal to popularity nigger.

>>174593968
>muh fallicious ad populum may may
>muh halo game design strawmans

haha someone is bootyblasted

Also why strawman me? My entire argument hinges on the core design pillars of Siege are actually IMPROVED without headshots. Because

>teamwork
>information acquisition
>position vs enemy position

are all strengthened because whipping around the corner and 420 no scoping with Ash would no longer be possible. Leveraging better positions or better use of gadgets / information in such situations would be necessary to offset the advantage defenders have for being in entrenched, easily defensible positions. Shield use may go from a "why are these in the game" tier to a regularly seen, viable strategy that has a place in the meta, just like every other operator.

Someone just teabagged me for 2 minutes until i die while the whole team watches since we are both the last one

>>174594197
Why not just leave the objective room to die and save yourself the humiliation?

>>174594110
post your stats feller

Since the last Windows update I've been having the retarded "Your graphics card does not support DirectX 11 features" error. Anybody having the same problem?

>>174594408
>can't refute ANY of these points
>literally asks for stats so he can adhom him because he's not a member of Continuum

I have never seen someone so fucking fannyflustered in my life

>>174594461
I don't have to refute you nigger. You are a shitter and only worth baiting. Just kys my man you suck lol

>>174594607
No thanks my dude. I'll continue posting because I like having good discussions in this thread. I also don't mind angry as fuck scrubs giving me delicious (You)'s, so either way I'm the winner here.

>174594646
You aren't having any good discussion because you are the fucking cancer of this general. Rather than discuss your grand strategy you are fantasizing about a game system that favors your preferred playstyle. What is your fucking clearance level you fucking scrub.

Additionally, if you want what you describe: play on Xbox or PS4

>>174594754
>muh preference

There we go again. Feel free to explain in what way one shot headshots work towards Siege's core systems instead of actively undermines them. Please explain why Ash with peekers advantage makes Siege more tactical and strategic :^)

And there have been many good replies in this thread so far to just act like they aren't there is even more delicious.

Good job denying me the (You) but I still got the reply and it feels good my dude. I am continually growing stronger.

>>174594957
Explain why you are larping in a videogame? Pretty fucking sad t b h. If you want real tacticool join the army bro.
>there's nothing I can do against ash
again, you just suck.
You type like a a jew by the way.
Siege is a shooter at its core retard. How does shooting your enemy undermine a shooter? Really made me think...
Put barbed wire down to slow attackers, play off the audio cue. Wow, I've just explained how to play the game. It's almost like I've strategically countered Ash...
You can counter Ash with barbed wire and guard the wire from her gadget with Jager. Wait for audio cue and then peek.
Are you just fucking bad?

>>174595184
>you can get good to beat the limitations in the laws of our physical reality as it related to latency

LOL

>How does shooting your enemy undermine a shooter
I can ask the same to you. How does consecutive, consistent shots requiring a higher level of skill undermine a shooter?

>Counter ash with barbed wire

Wow so you have infinite barbed wires you can place everywhere, and then still have enough gadgets like Nitrocells, or deployable cover, to do the things you want to do? Wow dude it's almost like basing your entire team strategy around stopping one or two speedforce characters leaves you open to large counter players in other areas that leave your team deficient in dealing with them

But what do I know I'm just a shitter :^)

>>174594957
>Please explain why Ash with peekers advantage makes Siege more tactical and strategic

How about you get out of that little corner you sit in and shoot her first?

>>174595401
>game is designed around fortifying positions and defending objectives
>The counterplay for characters moving faster than internet lag who can 1 shot kill you before you even see them is to completely abandon defending objectives since it will more than likely get you killed
>this is somehow more tactical

REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

>>174595561
When I run tactical training shit we out in multiple moving parts at once when we want to really fuck with them.
I.e one angle and two shooters or on opposite sides or something.

>>174595661
Really honest question, have you even played this game or are you just here because shitposting in /owg/ or /lolg/ isn't good tonight or something???

>>174595561
You can defend an objective and still move.

You're complaining about peekers advantage, given to a moving player around a corner in confrontation to a still player, yet you're too set in "THIS IS HOW I SHOULD PLAY THE GAME" to eliminate that factor.

>More tactical
Fuck your stupid tacticool bullshit, if you want that, go play a milsim. R6 Siege is a goddamn Arcade shooter.

>>174595891
>R6 Siege is a goddamn Arcade shooter.

I thought it was a realistic, tactical shooter - which is why you are arguing so adamantly on headshots being in the game. If it's an Arcade shooter in the same vein as COD of Overwatch, why should there be 1 shot headshots?

>>174595984
Because it's fun you fucking autist

>>174595984
There's two different people responding to you fucknuts.

Even though I'm not the headshot guy.

A 1 headshot system doesn't make the game tactical. See Any hardcore game mode in Cod. R6 is just HC: Search and Destroy with fixed classes.

You're in a small map, in small teams, where aggressive attackers have the advantage. It's an Arcade shooter.

>>174596046
>Because it's fun

I disagree. Scroll up if you wish to get acquainted with my reasons why

>>174596186
No, it's because you can't do it. You can't get headshots so you want to penalize those who can for your benefit. Fuck. Off. Faggot.

>>174593482
>even tho CS has a few funs that can 1HK
But, like I said, CS also plays differently. An attacker has a much harder time exposing only their head compared to Siege where anybody who peeks properly will barely expose anything else.

>Battlefield, COD, Battlegrounds
A game where you can get shot from across the map by a player you can barely see and can't reasonably expect to be there does need different balance than a closequarters game where you're almost always preaiming every location somebody can be. You can't really use most other games as an example of how balance in Siege should work when very few games play anything like Siege.

>even in games like Insurgency
This is one of the reasons I don't like Insurgency since it goes too far in one direction. The incredibly low TTK greatly lessens the value of mechanical skill since good aim isn't actually required to quickly kill someone.

>Siege's overall gunplay TTK is far too low
Did you mean too high? Good positioning is still rewarded in Siege, but mechanical skill is as well. I feel like getting rid of headshots would greatly remove the need for mechanical skill while prolonging engagements and making them more awkward. Even games like Starcraft require a fair deal of mechanical skill, a good player can do the most braindead strategies and still win if they just use their units far better than you.

>You would never question it in Insurgency, but in Siege
Personally, I find it far more frustrating in Insurgency. Somebody in Siege needs to outaim you to win if you get the drop on them. Somebody in Insurgency just needs to react faster than you, and they need to react less if they have a better gun.

>network latency even displays you on their screen.
Would this actually fix the issue though?

For the record, I just kind of jumped into the argument so I'm not sure how you'd change headshots exactly. Would you get rid of them entirely, reduce it to just bonus damage, or balance it like CS?

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>>174596153
>It's an Arcade shooter.

Weird. I don't see this anywhere on the page.

>people complaining about headshots in a fucking fps game

post headshot % you fucking faggot i bet its below 10%

>>174596348
>let me pull up the Wikipedia article

Holy autism batman.

You're playing Hardcore Search. Get over it.

>>174596323
I feel like headshots deprive me of an otherwise good firefight, whether I am on the distributing or receiving end.

>>174596336
I would disagree with your point that attackers have a much harder time exposing themselves. With Siege's emphasis on position / the ability to choose where to breach, the fact only attackers have Smokes and Flashbangs, droning for intel and shield users in general, I think it would be quite easy to account for the inherent advantage that defenders have. Blitz, Monty and Fuze account for 20% of the roster, meaning, if we are talking pure stats on average, every single match one of those 1/5 attacker slots should be going to a shield user... But we don't see that reflected in game.

>Did you mean too high
Yes I did, sorry. Good positioning is rewarded, but Ash being an issue is directly tied to the headshots sidestepping the TTK. If you want a practical demonstration for this, I used it above. If you have the highest power gun in the game do 10 damage per body shot, but headshots were still 1HK, would you feel like that would negatively impact the gun play and everything would devolve down to headshots and/or lucky sprays? Instead of outaiming the opponent every time, a lot of gunfights might just be decided by raw luck of who got the head first in the spray war. If you agree, we just have to scale it back until what level of body damage is no longer a problem. This is what I'm trying to examine with Siege. I should really start collecting data, but I feel like half my kills in Siege are headshots, even higher on defense with people like Mira.

>how would you balance it
CONT.

>>174596336
>>174596684
I'm not sure, but ultimately I'd be happy with just a mode in casual where you turn it off but, lets say HS is 50% bonus damage or even just torso damage. I'd love to see how the game is impacted by having headshots not be as big of a meme as it currently is. Knowing that a defender is holding an angle would drastically change what you do, because right now we just pretty much go and try and fight it 1v1 since we have a good chance of winning it.

If you knew a Rook was scoped in watching a hallway, would you get into a peek war with him if you couldn't dome him, or would you have to find some alternative way in? Whether that solution is stunning him, smoking him out, sending a Blitz or Monty down the hallway, or finding another access route... It'd have a lot more thought than "LOL LET ME PEEK HIM" and winning that fight because Hibana's rifle is a headshot beast

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I personally love this game and accept any short commings it may have. No other game can consistently get my blood pumping as fast as this one. Just thought of throwing this out here, because the discussion is becoming increasingly more aggressive.

>>174596684
How long have you even played this game?

>>174596957
I've been in /r6g/ since around November, 2015 anon.

It's 100% fine to admit a game can be improved in ways you may not agree with, or atleast accept it would be an interesting thought experiment.

>>174597050
And your stats are?

>>174597162
What are yours? If we are going to get into who is a better subject matter expect these memes are going to get maximum spicy real fast.